Is representation important in video games Should you be able to relate to characters
Is representation important in video games Should you be able to relate to characters
Is representation important in video games Should you be able to relate to characters
you lost
nothing
Black person we lost back in 2012 or so, now we accepted it and laughing at troons and lard elementals while enjoying ocassional good game
oh no
>forced to bring sexy back
Them other boys don't know how to act
>Yeah!
>minority is bad when we like it
didn't lose my money :^)
Lost what exactly?
And you won. and boy did you ever. Just look at what you won. Worse games. Worse performance. Longer dev times. Infrequent release dates. Predatory microtransactions. Incomplete titles released at launch. Balooning install sizes. Massive patch sizes. Lowered variety in gameplay. Exceptionally long cut scenes. Derivative writing.
I stopped worrying about modern vidya and have never been happier about it. You should be, too. Happy, that is. About modern vidya. You got what you wanted, right?
cry
then why are the winners so miserable?
wide as a kite and flat as one too. Where's it's ass?
How unlucky do you have to be with your genes to have literally zero fat go to your ass or breasts?
>she was broad and flat and loose in stays, but to catch her took the Antelope two whole days!
But seriously she looks like an anthropomorphic pancake.
Love me some Stan Rogers.
OHHHHH FOOOORRRRRR
JUST
ONE
TIME
I WOULD PLAY A STRAIGHT CIS WHITE MAN
Adkajv
>I was told we'd cruise the seas for vidya gold
>we'd get no bans, shed no tears
>now I've a broken fan and a note from Frontier
>the last of Ganker's pirateers
That's just a man with wide hips.
how do you go from bunny penny to this atrocious horse-shit
lmao
Looks like a long Lalafell
>Imagine being brown with a flat ass
>okay, she needs to be fat from the front, but not from the side
>ms. femenstein, this is not how people look li-
>I DON'T GIVE A FRICK EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE AN UGLY FREAK BECAUSE I AM AN UGLY FREAK DO YOU UNDERSTAND INCEL
Paper Mario remake looking good
>Hey Tim, how wide do you want the X axis
>Just frick my shit up senpai
is the butt and boob a microtransaction for this char
>thicc or sticc?
>yes I'd like the worst of both
that's not where belly buttons go, dude..
Someone forgot how to work in 3d, and I'm pretty sure it's not the same guy as Constructor Penny's...
3d woman, but actually 2d.
What character?
I thought Fortnite was known for well-proportioned character models.
Early Fortnite did. All of Chapter 1 and early Chapter 2 had good proportions, then Epic gradually downsized. Now every skin, male or female, is flat as a pancake in the back. Players lost their minds in a horny frenzy because one recent skin used the unaltered Chapter 1 proportions.
The skins have gotten worse in less political ways too, early faces were very much caricatures with cartoonish features, but they switched to most skins having pseudorealistic faces that clash. You know how kids' shows will often have a guest character who looks horrible because they tried to copy their IRL facial features in a world where everyone else has big and simple features? It's that but new original characters copied the design trend so the guests look a bit less out of place.
That's dispiriting.
A few kids in a chat I'm in were very upset how flat the DBZ characters they added recently were, in relation to say, the Marvel characters they added before that.
In their mindless obsession with progress, they've managed to create a more unrealistic female body type than a bimbo with balloon breasts.
>bimbo with balloon breasts
which literally isn't fricking unrealistic, I see b***hes like that all the time
fricking torpedo breasts like in these fricking 70s photos
Do you have a folder full of this shit or you just scouted twitter before opening the thread?
>NOOOO DON'T RECOGNIZE PATTERNS AND SAVE THEM FOR EVIDENCE
And what will you do with this evidence? Why post it on an anonymous image board? I'm not interested in your little "war", nobody here is.
Get the frick out you fricking SJW!!!!
That is not an average body.
Since America is 70% lardass, that is actually an above average body type.
Eye of providence lookin' ass.
Fat Black person b***h.
>Is representation important in video games Should you be able to relate to characters
Yes
Holyshit why gamers like this?
What's the plan here? Wait for all white male game developers to die out?
To attain bigger userbase. Most white people don't care about these headlines. Ganker is not the most white people btw.
>attain bigger userbase
>by alienating the current userbase
I fail to see how this will work out for them.
The same way it worked out for Luminous and Volition.
so not at all
It’s a mix of demoralization and bragging. Most of this shit will go down once the current zeitgeist shifts due to the fact that this is not only unsustainable from a social standpoint but also an economic one.
white cucks will buy games on brand recognition alone so it's secured demographic.
Companies need that growing revenue so they try targeting other demographics beside white men, especially women who are the biggest money spenders.
It's a good plan on paper and might have worked but there are few issues: men in general are more prone to spend money on their hobbies while women spend money on themselves (cosmetics, travelling etc.) and there's been too many shit games in the past decade with blatant pandering.
Those games didn't manage to attract new demographics and alienated the supposedly secured one.
Too bad normies will eat every ounce of goyslop and keep the industry running.
No, what they mean is, the industry's target demographic used to be just young white guys, but that is no longer the case. Instead the industry is making games for more people. So that more people feel included, more interesting stories can be told, and to better reflect the realities of our diverse country (the US) and humanity as a whole.
White dude main characters drops from 100% down to 85% and you people are screeching 'white genocide' while pretending white fragility is a ridiculous concept. It's comedy really.
oy vey the whites are very fragile schlomo
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
SHOW ME WHERE ALL THESE INTERESTING STORIES ARE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I'M NOT FINDING ANY
>So that more people feel included
So that they can raise their demographics to get more spending. Many TV networks started playing garbage reality TV at least a decade ago because they reached their peak for their audience. Reality TV is for the lowest common denominator of an audience. White men had reached its peak for growth in gaming. So now trying to include everyone is just alienating the existing audience because you can't just go somewhere else to get the kind of content you want like with TV. Anything else is PR speak.
Decade? Reality TV has been plaguing networks and cable since the original Survivor, Big Brother, and The Real World first aired.
>and you people are screeching 'white genocide' while pretending white fragility is a ridiculous concept
That is NOT what that concept pertains to, disingenuous homosexual. It's pseudo-science nonsense in order to confuse and get away with bullying Whites.
>Liberals redefine Racism to mean "Power + Privilege"
>Teach people that Whites have the most P+P in the world
>Therefor, any and all Whites are Racist
>Any White person who disagrees is an insecure bigot afraid of facing the truth AKA "White Fragility"
>White dude main characters drops from 100% down to 85% and you people are screeching 'white genocide'
Name a single western slop with a straight white male protagonist made in the last 5 years.
More like "guilt them into thinking they have t omake games for everyone else because their tastes allegedly don't matter."
When's my turn?
The time of the orc has come!
I bet you a dollar these three women are paid to be here
>Why do gamers make everything about race!?
>*Make articles like this*
I know a lot of it is just clickbait, but it exists because there is a trough for morons with this mindset; especially when they ignore how many of these games they throw under that label that were made by Oriental developers or other Asians who all made games with characters that are supposed to be Oriental.
Source: random black coping on her blog
No, but it is nice. It is impossible to make something non generic that everyone is able to relate to. None of the chicks portraied in this comic is relatable to me
>None of the chicks portraied in this comic is relatable to me
And that fact would probably be lost on the creator of the comic that's about characters in media having to be relatable for everyone.
Not really, but it seems like the people who have this biggest issue are ones who lack probably some imagination to try relating to a character that is different from themselves or feel things should be all about them in some way. Or they can't just enjoy a story for what it is, a story where characters may or may not be relatable to themselves in some way.
Why do women struggle so much with relating to someone who isn't exactly like them? Is there a biological/evolutionary reason?
This is the one thing I always get confused about, why do you need a character to look EXACTLY like you to relate? Isn't one of the biggest gaming mascots a fricking Hedgehog? I recall a lot of people being really into a Bandicoot and Dragon at some point too and people had no problem relating to them.
all three are honorary white
It is an absurdly shallow notion
>This character is just like me in that he's a devoted parent, working hard to make a living, always trying to do what's right, cares a lot about staying fit and has a brother who's always causing trouble...
>BUT he's a different skin color, so I can't possibly relate to him.
yeah and now they are furries. maybe there is actually a connection
Your mistake is assuming these creatures, though they look similar enough to you, possess the same, or even comparable, mental faculties.
They do not.
It's a normalgay thing, not just women. See: How the most popular race is always humans and elves for self inserting.
To be fair, plenty of male autists use the condition as an excuse to never socialize or leave their comfort zone. Women are more likely to blame their flaws on their star sign or some other made up nonsense.
I still don't know how "leaving your comfort zone" came to mean something positive.
it's because you're weak
you're never going to get anywhere in life if you never leave your comfort zone
wtf is a comfort zone? thats not a real thing, life is not some video game with special zones
My warm cozy apartment with a comfy chair and a soft bed and all my favorite games is a comfort zone. Very little is expected of me here.
My office, pleasant as it may be, is very much not a comfort zone. I need to focus, not be at rest. And a lot is expected of me.
>wtf is a comfort zone?
how moronic do you have to be to not understand the concept of a comfort zone? let's say hypothetically speaking that you're someone who isn't used to talking to people because of social anxiety or whatnot, that's your comfort zone. If you decided to start talking to people to get over it that would be leaving your comfort zone.
ahh so it is a concept created by the mentally ill to try and explain their odd behavior?
Not just the mentally ill but basically everyone who refuses to keep developing as a person ir struggles with it.
In life one of the great pillars of enlightenment morality is self improvement via obtaining a greater understanding of the world. Something which many people are loathe to do.
So the peasant who spends his life toiling away in the soil day in and out following the same traditions and routines not caring about bettering himself, this is offset by the good and necessary work he is doing but it is still seen as a failing to not experience as many novel and strange things as possible.
Now a farmer who spent his 20s gallivanting around Europe learning the great works and trying new things before settling down and just reading some books from time to time is to be completely respected.
Therefore the Comfort Zone is a semi-derogatory term for refusing to continue to grow because your happy where you are..
you're fricking moronic, have a nice day
You got anything that isn't an empty, meaningless platitude or...?
it's not a platitude it's an objective fact, but you do you man
Where is ‘anywhere’ and why should anyone want to go there?
you need to be 18 to post here
It’s a legitimate question, Johnny. What does ‘anywhere’ refer to? Money? Sex? Family? What if someone doesn’t want any of those things? Does ‘anywhere’ nebulously refer to what the individual wants like “You won’t get what you want if you never step out of your comfort zone”? What if all an individual desires is to be within their comfort zone? Why do we presume that stepping out of your comfort zone is inherently necessary or important? You need good justification to do so after all.
In other words, brainlessly going “Heh well you need to step out of your comfort zone to get anywhere!” is incredibly pointless. Explain what you actually mean.
>as an excuse to never socialize or leave their comfort zone
It's not an excuse, it's a learned behavior. Childhood failures lead to withdrawal, which widens the gap in sociability between the autist and his peers.
>male autists use the condition as an excuse to never socialize or leave their comfort zone
What the frick do you think autism is, exactly?
>be autistic
>every interaction with peers takes an extreme amount of effort
>school is piss-easy, but grades are still below average due to a lack of motivation to "study"
>discover video games, giving you both some sort of challenge in life and a way to escape the horrid normalgay world
>discover and become hooked on Ganker because it's the only place in the world where you don't have to pretend you're normal and have to fake your social conduct
>years later
>be more older, wiser
>learn enough social skills to make your way through social interactions without emberrassing yourself
>in the meantime the internet has been normalized, irl socialization is dead and the average normalgays has become a depressed husk
>decide to interact with the real world to get a girlfriend
>guys aren't online anymore or are otherwise not interested in having friends because they have the internet
>girls are being orbited by hordes of men willing to pay them just to see their fricking feet
>return back online, immersing yourself in video games like never before
>go on Ganker
>some delusional gay is disparaging autists
>
>close thread and move on to the next
it's like those people who can't imagine an apple
That shit is still insane to me. There are genuinely people who have WORSE brains. I feel sorry for them. I even know someone like that, and he's almost insufferable to be around and he acts like a weirdo.
It's not LIKE that. Those are the same exact people
that's child's play, I imagined a new color
I was at a restaurant the other day and my sister called my waiter "autism-coded". I bet you if I called the waiter autistic I would have gotten flack from her.
I can't imagine speaking about a person in real life as if they were a fictional character with a sizeable fanbase on Tumblr. Jesus Christ, anon, I hope your sister grows out of this shit.
Lego made a study once, looking at how boys and girls play with toys. They found out that while boys tended to pretend to be the hero and roleplayed him, girls tended to morph the hero into themselves and basically they self-insterted instead of doing any roleplaying.
Holy shit it's like no one read the thread before posting
Because women are self ingrained and evolved to only ever focus on themselves. Men live in a constant competitive environment and so always aspire to be someone greater than they are through example.
I wonder how many players complained about playing as a woman in the Tomb Raider series.
I played RE5 and RE6 with my femqle cousin
I chose Sheva because she is hot, and she always chooses Chris in his sado outfit. She also likes to control Wesker during mercs
In RE6 same, I choose the hot women and she the hot men.
Representation is a meme
It's nice to relate but no, it is not important at all
Where is my incel fatso MC?
You should be able to relate to characters in as far as empathy, or just understanding how they would feel in a certain situation. Needing the character to be the same race as you is just weird. Im a white guy, and playing as a black woman or a chinese guy wouldnt detract from the game at all for me. Anyone who's this focused on an aspect of the game that fundamentally doesnt matter, is just showcasing that they have some weird identity issues going on. And as soon as you start making your issues my problem, thats when im checked out and dont care anymore
Wise post, anon.
No.
Case and point. Representation wasnt a problem for the 25 million white kids who bought this game. Never was.
It isn't when you are the one in position of power victimizing others.
1/10
If that’s the case ehy cant blacks relate when they control non black characters doing the same? I’m shitting diarrhea less shitty than this argument
You're not a victim nobody is a victim just bunch of buttholes with narcicistic victim-complex and grifters go get a life diversity-swines
>every white person is an oppressor
Thank for the reminder, anon. I forgot to string up my quota of minorities on the tree outside before firing up the PS5. anon
>didn't hang up his Christmas minorities on the lynching tree this year
>before firing up the PS5
I've got bad news anon, you've been living a lie and are actually black.
>skipping your daily challenges
Ngmi
It's usually you victimizing yourself for attention. Your plastic hollow representation means nothing.
I've never felt represented by a character in a video game. What the hell are these people talking about?
They lack empathy so unless they see a character that is essentially them, they cant emotionally engage with the game and story.
>i can only identify with people that look like me
nice three legged horse you slop addled dipshit
hey stop being ableist c**t
Femcels taking control of vidya was an absolute disaster for vidya creative affairs.
I can only name one vidya character with my nationality. Even in Hollywood we're barely exist.
what the frick was vaas anyway? puerto rican? but vaas is kind of a south african name too isnt it?
he's a rakyat
is that one them there RPG game races?
I honestly can't think of one that originates from vidya but this guy gets some representation at the very least
I just make a hot male character I would wanna bang. Why would I ever make myself
I've played tons of video games over the years but it's always unclear if the playable character has a 9" pp so I can't relate to or identify with them
>all sources are post-9/11
hmmm
I think we should have gatekept harder. It is women's purpose to destroy everything they touch
No my favorite games usually have non-human protagonists.
not at all. it's only important for lonely morons or people with mental issues. a healthy adult can separate fiction from reality
Needing to self insert to enjoy media is mental illness. I have no desire to be whatever the frick Kirby is to enjoy playing Kirby games.
I desire to frick kirby
I mean, that's a way of inserting
I wouldn't. It's dangerous to have sex with a ligma.
What's a sugma?
I'm sure they have some dumb fallacy rebuttal cooked up for characters like these
>only 27% of childrens books are about animals
I highly fricking doubt that. I'd wager that the majority of children's books are about anthropomorphic animals.
and it's animals/other, so that includes original monsters, aliens, gnomes (unless they just put that in white), smurfs etc
That's the count from what was published in 2018.
>latinx
>least disingenuous Ganker poster
No, video game itself suppose to be vision of what creator want and not your.
>create cool character that fits the setting
>create a whole ass backstory for the character
>use an online name generator to create a correct setting specific name
>end up just using roughly the same sword-n-board STR build as always, except if i’m something like an elf then i guess it’s battlemage (with large focus on stabbing motherfrickers)
>speech choices are just what i think will be funni
I never indentify with characters. They are not me.
No. Even movies tend to use nice-looking actors, mostly white, unless specific roles like Mace Windu/Morpheus. And movie maker have to find them.
Videogames developers have all possible ways of creating beautiful/cool looking/attractive/charismatic/impressive characters, this devs have no excuse to make plain ugly people as videogame characters.
meanwhile the most popular video game character is sonic
>Is representation important in video games
No, I'm a manlet and there are no major character in games that are manlet but I don't give a shit
>Should you be able to relate to characters
Yes but you should relate to them through their actions, or how they behave
>No, I'm a manlet and there are no major character in games that are manlet
mario
link
these characters were made in japan where they're average sized, not manlets in my book
Wolverine's a manlet (unless they've changed his height over the years so he matches Hugh Jackman)
Wolverine is now a days closer to 6'2 feet than his original 5'3 the Insomniac studio is also going to be 6' something or close to it
6'2'' is manlet height, stupid manlet
>Insomniac studio is also going to be 6' something or close to it
Any source for that? I don't want to believe that a studio that's been building it's brand on extreme diversity would deliberately miss out on a chance to give representation to short males, who are practically invisible in entertainment (and in real life).
On top of that, PCs in third person games (at least Eastern ones) tend to be short in general to make it easier to see the screen and your opponents.
Pretty sure there are leaked gameplay videos that proves his going for the Hugh Jackass height
Frick Insomniac then. Representation for everybody! Except for me.
bro you recently got an entire game
Why don’t manlet gays be dwarf mode?
>find a craft and do it extremely well; like woodworking, stone cutting, smithing, or gem shit
>get fit as frick, go on test, creatine, w/e
>be the ultimate bro
>loved by all
yea, go on test and die in 5 years with your hairline experiencing the infinite norwood recession, what good advice
dear God smite this Black person with a lightning bolt
also, post body
>t. Elf lanklet
i'm 172cm
i just fricking hate when people talk like they're giving good advice while knowing nothing about the subject
>manlet
even worse ick
Damn u actually look good
Please ignore my post; I am a homosexual
thanks, it's okay bro, we're all homosexuals sometimes
I look almost like this but but % body fat more.
Working on cleaning up my muscle ups rn.
Also thinking if I should get a gym membership just so I can work on my legs.
>no definition
>no muscle mass
lame
Cope homosexual, manlet hairlines don't matter and test prolongs your life, being a moron and using coke for pre-workout shortens it
What do you need a hairline for, fricking women? You're not getting those as a manlet anyway.
stay on /LULZ/ and looksmax.org, homosexual
Do not do it you will go bald
Dwarf physique is unrealistic. Growing beard that goes all the way to your waist and having arms thick as gorilla's is not something humans are.
sounds like someone hasn't tried
Jimmy Hopkins.
I screencapped a nice counter post someone wrote to this specific comic and how people needing to be represented in entertainment/media is due to a complete failure of the individual's parents and peers. When an individual has nobody to look up to, they look for artificial sources that will validate their impotent state rather than encouraging them to grow.
I don't know of any healthy, functional adult who needed to be represented in a video game.
I don’t think I’ve ever related to vidya characters before but that’s never stopped me from liking them either
women will whine about inclusivity and diversity for hours on end while men will listen to a voice without even knowing how the character looks and go "holy shit... literally... me..."
The fact that AC6 managed to get a decent waifu war going without ever showing a single human is no mean feat by itself.
Carla supremacy btw.
What the frick is the troony even doing
The black girl is playing a PS4 and she's just standing there in the same room holding a fricking Xbone controller. He literally doesn't even play video games even when drawing his fantasy self.
>The black girl is playing a PS4 and she's just standing there in the same room holding a fricking Xbone controller
Google "human zoos" and you might understand the dynamic at play here.
It's actually the opposite, homie has a black Xbox One and troony is holding a white PS4 controller
They're grown women why do they need characters to identify with and "grow" with
Because they're woman-child they have been whole life forced to be a strong independet woman by feminist so they never get to have a childhood so now they're grown-ass children who men have to pamper them and change they're nappies
whether or not you can relate and/or identify with a character has little to nothing to do with their gender, appearance, choice of clothing, or any other superficial attributes that they may or may not posses. human qualities, whether positive or negative, are what defines characters. this will never be false, and people who push the narrative that we need 'representation' are just interested in 'righting the wrongs' that they perceive to exist in any given space. that's moronic, even if you want to agree that there should be the option to create a black character, or people should be free to create non-white protagonists. make whatever the frick you want, but make it because it's intellectually or emotionally compelling, not because you're think tokenism is a good thing. fricking idiots.
No. Videogames aren't reality. If you need to have your image shown in everything, I fear you're a narcissist.
Society is full of Narcissists & increasing.
Only children need a character to relate/look up to.
>nobody posted this yet
women were a mistake
>citation: i smoked crank
Representation isn’t important and if you need characters to look 1:1 like you in order to be relatable you are a moron or have some other brain issues which is why blacks always beg for representation
>Representation isn’t important and if you need characters to look 1:1 like you in order to be relatable you are a woman
ftfy
unironically this, you can see black men identifying as characters that aren't blacks only black gays (woman minded) need black characters to feel represented
the literally me video game
>be bored at work for 8+hrs
>race back home
>half ass tidy up so i dont live in total squalor
>Ganker or youtube untill i sleep
>maybe a bit of vidya if im feelin frisky
i would make a terrific videogame character. that would be awesome.
Having relatable characters has been proven false for like... 50 years. It's why shit like Scrappy Doo and the kid Turbo Ranger failed. It's bizarre how cyclical moronation really is.
The child insert character has always fricking sucked, G1 Transformers is RAPED by focusing on the human teenagers that befriend the Autobots. Wesley Crusher is the only bad part about The Next Generation. Chris Thorndyke in Sonic X is the audience-insert but he'a a fricking millionaire with three butlers and isn't relatable at fricking all. The only one that ever ended up any good was Robin, but he's been radically reinvented since his audience-insert days from the original Batman series.
And women want all media to star these types or characters.
God i hated every “regular self insert kid” in cartoons. They don’t do shit but waste time. No I don’t give a shit about chris and his millionaire lifestyle, I JUST WANNA SEE SONIC!
Ok Cory
>kid Ranger
To be fair, I thought the concept of this character was cool. Suddenly being thrust into that responsibility while so young could make for some interesting situations. The problem was that it wasn't handled well at all and this was a shame, since Car Ranger was already super goofy to start. While it worked pretty good for Beetleborgs, because it showed that while the kids did abuse their powers for their own ends, they slowly worked into better people through the need to fight the villains come to life.
relatability has always been a myth perpetuated by youtube reviewers and their reddit fanbse tbh. you don't even have to take my word for it, you can take aaron fricking ehasz's word
I like Pixar's 22 rules. I don't know if they have some glaring error I'm missing, but they seem to make sense to me.
Seems fine to me as a writer. I wouldn't necessarily suggest following all of them all the time but definitely a decent guide to start with while getting your feet wet.
I like 6 in particular and it's one of the reasons I came to like shorter RPGs you can change the names in, in particular. Playing through them with a character I'm writing when I hit a block inherently allows me to get a feel for what they would and wouldn't do when presented with those situations.
I like FFII for this best because of all the different deaths.
is there something obvious missing from the list, or should I just go some sort of course if I want to know it all?
nothing glaring really, just some points that could boil down to disagreements toward the approach at best, technicalities that can open up some questions at worst, but it's very solid advice otherwise
>coincidences to get characters into trouble are great
[x] doubt.
>coincidences to get them out of it are cheating
if you're in the middle of a heated fight with the jailor and you happen to slash the sash holding the keys in the middle of a heated fight, that is a coincidence but not cheating.
I'd guess it's not referring to coincidences set in motion directly by the one who needs to get out of trouble, and more like "luckily a rescue helicopter was just around" or you know how many times the hero is carrying out a plan, and it's somehow foiled so he has to think of something new
>coincidences to get characters into trouble are great
, but the opposite. so the villain isn't noticing a random rock and trips at an important moment.
Not a coincidence, as just defeating the jailor results in the same: finding the key.
You might as well say slashing his throat is a coincidence.
yeah that just sounds like defeating the janitor
>Discount the 1 thing that comes to mind. And the 2, 3, 4, 5 - surprise yourself
I might be stupid but what the frick did they mean by this??
your first idea. probably because if it's your first, second, and-so-on idea the reader/viewer/whatever will probably think of the same thing before you can execute on it
I get that it's not like a literal thing, but if you throw that many ideas out to come up with your twist, won't it start to feel like you're just contriving everything as hard as you can? 5 is a fricking lot of ideas
Yeah its not a hard rule that you have to dismiss 5 things before youre allowed to plot the rest of your story. It's more meant to encourage you to stop and think about what's going on in your plot, your first few ideas will usually be so obvious because you're thinking in terms of cliches/other stories that youve read or movies youve seen where this same problem had solution X.
But if you examine the problem youre presenting, youll often eventually realize there are elements youve introduced that could serve as a solution that feels more original, less copy and paste from other stories, and more deserved from the characters POV.
Whatever you think of where the story progresses, the audience will probably think of that as well. If you go with the first idea you have as to what should happen next, your story will feel predictable
Throw them out and keep coming up with less obvious stuff
Even in comic the hair of the troony look repulsive gee
Only women have this problem. They can't imagine themselves as anything different, they need to make everything just like they are.
there are many men with the same issue
they always make themselves in video games too
Most men make a character they would like to be in real life.
Most women just make themselves.
>Most men make a character they would like to be in real life.
or someone they'd like to frick, sometimes i made a likeness to my gf or used her name
and ye id frick lara do i wanna be her? no
That makes no sense. I work for video game shit and see enough men just making themselves like they are irl, same with women. It is silly in this case to try and make a women vs men argument. Both do the same shit. It is an npc thing.
How much time did many of those men spend in the character creation making it look like themselves? I can say I sometimes do a half assed look of myself because I just want to play the game and the randomise button spit out awful shit each time, and it's usually just hair color and style, maybe a select few other things that may or may not be like me, and then I'm out into the game. I think that's also a similar reason that one dev company (can't remember, but the pic is usually posted of them b***hing about it) saw so many people making the most generic, basic character in their game when they tracked it, because many people sometimes just go 'good enough!' to get into the game (sometimes I just make something half assed and silly looking for shits and giggles even). It's not to say a detailed character creation feature is a waste of time, but sometimes I just want to play depending on the time.
>Leftists: Playing someone who looks like you in video games is very meaningful. Representation matters
>Me: That's why I like to play games with a white male protag
>Leftists: NOT LIKE THAT!
>trying to find self worth in a vidya characters
How can these absolute losers write shit like this and not die from embarrassment? What went wrong in your life if you play vidya to gain self worth??
>What went wrong in your life if you play vidya to gain self worth??
Autism (the legitimate kind, not the meme buzzword), with a side of emotional immaturity and egotism
I don't want relate to characters. I just need to believe they exist. Realism is unneeded.
/v/
>wow women are so shallow for wanting to play as characters that look like them.. society has fallen...
also Ganker
>HAHAHA this woke fricking game with a black protagonist lost we won Gankerros
That's the thing, a character that happens to be black in an environment that makes sense, no issue. A character that has being black as a formative part of their characterization, no issue. A character made black for brownie points from liberal homosexuals that don't play games, where the skin color is a shield to deflect criticism, or that is pandering virtue signaling are bad.
morons don't usually understand nuance, much less anything beyond that, anon.
Bingo.
>LOOK JAMAL THE CHARACTER IS BLACK BUY OUR GAME
>LOOK JENNY, THE PROTAGONIST IS A HOMELY DOUBLE-PLUS-SIZED INDAPONTDENT WOMMIN JUST LIKE YOU, BUY OUR GAME
>LOOK AYLEEN, XIR IS A STUNNING AND BRAVE TRANS WOMMYN LIKE YOU, BUY OUR GAME
literally every single attempt at diversity.
Only narcissists need to see themselves reflected in everything.
tsmt
reminds me of seeing a fat black woman doing yoga on instagram and the comments were other black women saying shit like 'black girl magic'
Why does his bibliography have a bunch of sources that aren't cited in his comic? Why is there a bibliography for a fricking 6 panel comic?
The first word of the first panel in OPs pic is "And", so this is probably the last page of something longer.
Also interesting to note there doesn't seem go be a single israelite among the cited works - usually people go early life crazy if they notice a single 'Berg' but I guess no one notices the absence.
>usually people go early life crazy if they notice a single 'Berg' but I guess no one notices the absence.
Yes, confirmation bias exists.
That comic is still fricking gay.
Ethnicity is the last thing I think about when thinking of characters I found relatable, it was their personalities and life experience. The games where I'm supposed to go "he just like me fr fr" just because he shoehorns non english words in his dialogue sometimes are pandering trash I avoid.
That's the point. They don't want you finding common ground with your fellow man. They want you obsessing over what makes you different and sticking with shallow tribalism, so that we're all easier to keep divided
That's why youth culture went from "labels are for soupcans!" when we were teens to the new normal of "I'm a trisexual demigender she/him being of color, and I'm half brown, half native, and half asian and you better not get any of those wrong!"
straight white men certainly get violently upset online when they're not represented
I've never been represented, not in vidya not in movies not anywhere yet I couldn't give two shits
Why do people care about representation so much?
Trojan horse for ESG and other progressive bullshit, and as the OP bait image illustrates, a few mentally ill pathetic losers might feel special
They are right. I mean why else would the new Spider Man game would be a major hit if not for its high level of diversity and inclusiveness?
Of course a woman can't design an interesting character and goes the full self insert route.
I think the only games i do that shit in anymore is pokemon and monster hunter. If the game gives me extensive options (especially race) I'm gonna have fun with it and still be able to put myself in the character's shoes since i can actually use my imagination.
Im gonna counter your gross over categorization of the whole genre with another one. Western modern women can't design an interesting character and goes the full self insert route.
Why do Japs even make western slop look good?
>Kui's designs are so good they even survive being sloppified
Too bad the brown elf and Laius' sister turned into men/pajeet but I guess you can't win them all.
It actually very annoying when devs try to "relate" to the common people. All you devs are richgays who don't know nothing about anything. Just entertain me. Forget all that equity and inclusion shit. You aren't good enough to pull that off.
I don't doubt the research on representation. But it's getting ridiculous because minorities are now vastly overrepresented. If a minority is 10% of your population and you make them the main character then 90% are not getting any value from representation either. The only egalitarian way of doing this is for the demographics to roughly mirror actual human societies, otherwise it feels forced and pisses everyone off, even the people you're pandering to.
This is the character I was able to relate with the most this year
lol, anon can't handle spicy food. time to point and laugh.
Yes, there isn't enough lizard people, cat people, and dark elf representation these days. It's all human this, human that. Frick human representation.
Of course this was made by a woman. Women are incapable of relating to something unless it visually resembles them, unlike men.
Take blacks for example, black men love the frick out of Goku who is supposed to be asian but they don't care of course. Yet black women needed Ariel and countless others to be black before they could identify with them.
I'll pont to the Lego study commisioned for the Friends line of products. It boils down to
>Boys want to be Batman, Girls want Batman to be like themselves.
Goku is king bruh
Except blacks and Latinos love Piccolo because he's the only character with no racial identity and not a stereotype like Mr. Popo, so they tend to relate to him.
Which is exactly what I mean? Thanks, this only strengthens my argument
So they relate with Japanese and white looking (I know they're also japanese, that's not the point) characters in that show less strongly than with an actual green alien bug-man.
Well yeah, they don't relate with anyone based on race because why would they, this is normal for humans (men), of course women think differently
See
Black girls dont have autism unlike white women. And white women always choose the ugliest one for them
crying about white women while defending ugly black prostitutes LOL. asian women / brown women and black women are some of the most annoying and ugly feminists around
I'm not defending them, I can recognize even shittier people as smart.
While white women waste time and made themselves just above white men (but they are now under gays, trans and immigrants), worrying for moronic shit, black women keep collecting welfare, fricking, and have a luxury life. Like I have seen fat muslim women have 4 kids and get money from gibs, while I see white women worried about fighting unicorns despite them hitting 30 already and be wageslaves too
>Black women are feminist
They few they are they act like it to get money. Even black women know they are hired to pose in the photo so a white woman feels tolerant, but black women find them cringe as frick
No it is not
If you can't self insert as literally anything you have no imagination, plain and simple.
7' tall superhuman cyborg killing machine? I can imagine.
Anthro bandicoot? I can imagine.
Purple cartoon dragon? I can imagine.
Tight ass asian chick with parkour skills? I can imagine.
Cute robot girl? Yep.
>If you CAN'T self insert as literally anything, YOU have no imagination
Tun that by us again, this time not through Google Translator? Or are you so moronic you don't know what self-inserting means? Because having to self-insert yourself to understand or sympathize at all is the complete opposite of having an imagination, idiot.
The point, troon, is a character does not need to be literally anything like me for me to find inspiration or sympathize with the character.
That's not what you said in your original post.
>troon
Literally just parroting whatever English words/lingo you fell onto online, holy shit.
Representation isn't about inspiration, it's about familiarity, you ESL moron. You're on the opposite side of the representation coin; The one side wants everybody to be them. You're so pathetic you dream about being literally anybody else. Being the opposite of the moronic is, guess what? Just a different flavour of being moronic.
I dunno what's actually wrong here, is my tolerance for garbage English low? only guesses are:
>"it is" without comma before hand
>"I can imagine" (that's just a normal phrase but I'm not used to it repeating often)
I think his illiterate ESL ass was trying to find a word for "putting yourself in another's shoes" and ended up just misusing self-insert due to how "self" and "insert" likely translate to his primitive language.
It probably depends on who you ask and isn't important for some people, but the arguments for even providing the option are a lot better than the arguments for deliberately excluding the option so far as I've seen. Like the guy yesterday b***hing about the existence completely optional vitiligo slider didn't seem very reasonable.
You're acting like making a character creator is as easy as deciding to bring alcohol to a party or not, time and resources need to be used to make those fricking things and the entire story has to be written around your character being anybody. Devs struggle just to make the option of male/female Shepard viable with Femshep just using all of male Shepard's animations. There isn't some plot to specifically not include character creators, you fricking idiot. And ultimately the volume of people who care if they can make themselves or not when buying a game aren't affecting the sales of any series unless it's a feature the series revolves around and then it's suddenly pulled out, like with The Sims.
I would die of smugness if EA released a new Sims game but you had to play as one specific, predetermined Sim. The entire community would kill themselves from grief.
I never said anything about excluding character creators. I was speaking more broadly about diverse options within those creators or a diverse cast/NPC roster in games. Games that were going to have custom player characters have to account for a custom character no matter how custom the character can be. Which game like this has ever not included a man/woman option? And your value assessment of the work going into these options assumes I primarily value the game as a consumer product rather than an experience, which is false. Also the OPs comic and opening discussion was specifically about the effect on people's experience when playing these games.
What the frick could you have possibly meant by including the option of representation then? A switch that puts black face on the MC?
This assumes the MC isn't black to start with, which can happen you'd be surprised to know. The main character also isn't the only representation of a human in most games.
Half of online RPGs restrict classes to one sex, if you want to be a human hunter in Phantasy Star you have to be a male.
Can anyone tell me when all these narcissists showed up? I remember gaming in the 2000s and nobody cared what their mass of pixels looked like unless it was a rpg and even then it was for passive upgrades
2008 along with the iPhone. 2012 and 2016 brought larger waves of them.
The actual cause is greater numbers of women. In the 2000s, women still thought of games as something beneath them, something immature that only guys liked, so they stayed away. When "geekdom" became popular, women started flocking to the hobby, saw that it needed redecorating, and took to spraying diarrhea over the entire medium. And then came the troons.
Black girls dont give a frick about representation or fiction, because black girls, just like their welfare black mothers, spend all day partying, shopping, eating, dating, etc
They actually see selfinserters as weirdos, and the ones who love selfinserting and representation are white women, because their autism skyrocketed a lot
Actually this black representation os just white women trying to feel better with themselves, but of course they also conveniently choose the weirdest black uggo they find
Black women hate white women, and white women treat black women as their mascots to boost their ego
>sources game journo articles
Is this b***h serious? Does xhe thinks that these are considered "facts" or trusted sources or scientific research
No
Am I autistic? i dont fricking care, i play as casca from berserk in every single pathfinder and i still enjoy the games
no.
Black folk love Dragon ball z and they don't look like saiyans.
it's always women and their vapid, low IQ take that require something to look like them to be able to relate.
>thenig.com
>mfw im a grey dwarf hunter with a big red orange beard and a big ghost snow leopard companion to help me kill bad guys and dudes
Representation.
>only character he's ever made was his WoW avatar
Yes
I don't really need a character to be just like me to relate, as long as they make sense.
British characters in games are always either the worst written villains ever, or absolute bros.
Based Betty's Hotpot enjoyer. Did the sequel have you look for Fred Elliott's dildo collection?
>mfw the Father Ted fighting game turns out to be kino
>Rockstar of David has done so well for itself that people forget that it was originally a small company from Dundee and Edinburgh, Scotland
You have to be some sort of fricking sociopath if you are incapable of relating to people/characters that do not look like you or aren't members of your ethnic group/race.
I mean, I am just as racist as any other anon on this site, but that doesn't mean that I can't relate to Black folk or other shitskins and their issues, I can relate and empathize with them just fine, I still hate them because of all kinds of other reasons that are wholly unrelated to some sort of failure to empathize with them.
>You have to be some sort of fricking sociopath if you are incapable of relating to people/characters that do not look like you
You actually just need to be a woman
No. Its fricking stupid.
I remember in my forklift operator class tye Black teaching it literally said ahe wasnt at first sure if she could operate a forklift until she saw another black b***h do so. How pathetic must one be to have such a mind set?
I could see a 15 year old asin girl drive a forklift and id still think 'yeah i wanna do that shit looks fun'. Only the most pathetic of people with zero self respect needs representation.
That being said if the protags arent white or asian om not playing. Because i know representation for you gays is like saying happy holidays instead of merry Christmas....its passive aggressive bullshit.
>Is representation important in video games Should you be able to relate to characters
Nah, whether reading or playing a video game, I could empathize with the White/Asian character without issue.
>You need a character to look up to when finding out who you are.
>A character
It can't all just be fatherless behavior, right?
Just a lack of role models in their life so they turn to fiction for guidance.
>Just a lack of role models in their life so they turn to fiction for guidance.
So it's all just fatherless behavior?
Thats what happens when you deny God and why go to church used to be important
Imagine how blind people feel.
Meanwhile nu-Lara doesn't have any of the confidence of the original, and has been used in a frickton more porn as well. Hey, the first of the reboot games even had guro tier death sequences. These people are lunatics
REPRESENTATION IS IMPORTANT CHUD
EXCEPT FOR WOMAN WITH BIG breasts AND CONVENTIONALLY ATTRACTIVE FACES
If you can't relate to people unless they look like you, you're just racist.
Youre asking two totally unrelated questions.
No, representation is not good or necessary or desirable.
Being able to relate to characters has only to do with how theyre written, not their phenotypes
>I can make a character that looks however I want. The only limit is my imagination
>so I’m going to make a carbon copy of my own ugly face
You people cry constantly when every character is not white, so yes representation is very important to you
>Sources: Literally who Websites
I used to not care about it but now I think that it is important. Because I find myself less and less interested in games when they have more women and Black folk in them.
Do people really believe in this anons?
N*rmie w*men do
Not my problem since I don't really self insert. On the other hand it's pretty cool to see my country in vidya but I don't go out of my way to demand it to be shown in everything
You know, this thread reminds me of an old Lego study that basically when like this.
>Lego were trying to break into the little girl market
>decide to do a study to find out how to attract girls to Lego
>get a bunch of kids with an even split on gender
>give them a barbie girl toy and see how they play with it
The interesting part is as follows:
>Boys instantly began asking questions about Barbie, basically getting the lore of her so they could get better immersed. They eventually played with the toy as most girls play with barbie dolls (dressing her up etc)
>girls instantly began playing with Barbie the way you expect, no questions asked nothing. Just basically using Barbie as a self insert for things they wanted to do
Then Lego gave them both a Batman Action figure
>boys did the same thing. Asked questions, got the background "Is he a good guy", "Does he fight bad guys", etc. They then played with Batman how you would expect boys to play with Action figures
>The girls treated Batman the same way they did the Barbie doll. Dressing him up, etc etc
This old study is now being brought up recently because people are starting to see the superficial nature of women and girls in general. It's why you have everybody, from Black folk to hispanics who identify with Goku. Nobody is calling for Goku to be race swapped, nobody cares, to them, they relate to Gokus message, no matter who you are as a boy. Black, Latino, Asian, whatever. Whereas girls are asking for Snow White to be some poo in the loo, for the Little Mermaid to be some sheboon
The conclusion was effectively that boys can relate to the message whereas girls can only relate to the messenger.
I could swear this study has already been referenced a few times in this thread.
That was the third time the study got referenced.
>autism-coded
>Too much of a b***h to even say it straight
Your sister needs correction, anon.
To be faire Goku is part monkey part asian and part of aryan when super sayan
That would explain why his japanese name is "el Goblino supreme" when he becomes a great ape. Japan really has funny names for these guys.
I guess as a black dude, I go back and forth on that. On one hand, it used to be pretty culturally isolating to not see characters like me, but on the other hand I'm not even really sure how much I care about that. Probably a little, but not a lot.
My decision to play a game hasn't really hinged on whether or not it has a character like that and most of my favorite games are Japanese anyways. I mostly play JRPGs and fightan, so these characters are somewhat sparse.
>fightan
>sparse
Do you mostly play fighters with anime aesthetics? Most fighting games have several black people, even ones made in Japan
I grew up half asian half white and the world just shits on my in Australia. Not racist my ass. I think along the same lines as you do and it's not like the Main Character is overly that important. In FPS you hardly see yourself so its a none issue. If the character is Asian whatever because it just fits the theme of the story/ setting I don't overthink it.
I find it fricking annoying when they have a side character try to outshine your role as the MC though in a cut scene and proceed to be fricking useless the entire time.
Alright Elliott calm down
>Australia
>half asian
Like pottery
This is always a double standard though
>Characters NEED to be black/brown/female so people can relate!
>'Okay, but I don't relate to them because I am a white male and I want to play games as white men'
>WOW THAT IS RACIST WHY WON'T YOU BUY THE GAME ARE YOU AN INCEL? RACIST?
Basically it is okay for black/brown/female people to say they NEED a character to be just like them to relate and enjoy an experience, but if white guys ever say that they're vilified. If a black woman is not racist/sexist because she can only identify with black women, then I am not racist/sexist because I can only identify with white men.
The difference is, of course, I actually can identify with non-white men and have played games and watched films and read books where the protagonist isn't exactly like me and I still found them enjoyable. However, apparently the same cannot be said of every other race on this planet I guess.
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas is proof all of this is horse shit, considering it was made in a time when all these "white male gamer chuds" were the main demographic in North America, and people could still really enjoy that game. But then people want to take the route of
>But was CJ and the rest of the main cast made BY A POC?!
They ignore the fact that there's no laws preventing anyone of a specific race from making these games they want, and I doubt that concerns them when trying to bully an already established developer into giving them what they want with an already established IP for their deliberately divisive agenda.
>is representation important in video games
No, only narccisist demand representation
This depends on the specific things and the methods through which these things are being asked for. There is a point at which simply asking to not be left out, approaches a kind of rote, entitled b***hiness. At some point you're going to have to pick up a pencil if say, you want a game where an overweight 5/10 brunette women saves the day with her hot boyfriend/ girlfriend...etc who looks just like you.
Asking for minorities in relatively realistic European fantasy settings is also an odd one.
No, anyone that says otherwise is wrong.
WHERE IS IT
I might be a schizo, but I think it's in the negative space between the sky and the waves
Goku's belt/sash. Offset to the right of the Left Arm's bicep.
frick, that's subtle
All inclusivity is, is pandering and tokenism. And even when it’s done it’s not enough, since the homosexuals that call for it only get extremely picky about their specific group and get buttmad when it isn’t to a tee. They’ll never be happy because they only use their identity as a stand in for personality.
You can see an example of what you posted here.
>blacks
>americans
?
*"people"
ftfy
How is it still possible that people don't understand how black skin works under light that they get angry that black people look lighter in bright light what is wrong with them
man, i hate artlets who gripe about skin tones being affected by light
I think tokenism and pandering is fine (despite the negative connotation) unless it begins to contradict the work.
An example of this would be like, let's say you're making a game about anime girls with huge breasts. Adding a token non-comically ugly woman into the game to appease certain crowds would be a silly addition in a framework like that.
Rambo and Predator also had tokenism but people don't mind it nowadays.
They did though, specifically the same people that are now constantly complaining about inclusivity and representation.
Trying to appease those people is never a good idea. Because they don’t actually play games, most of the people that b***h about this stuff are just extremely vocal journalists looking for attention and clout. For frick sake they were railing against this kind of shit for most of the 2010s and now it’s considered good because they want it.
And what is correct to a tee for some of them is offensively missing the point to others in the same group. There's no winning.
Anita Sarkeesian started with dissecting Lego before moving onto video games.
I wonder what logic she used to justify declaring Legos sexually demeaning to women.
I don't think I've seen a south asian character positively represented in video games.
Anyways, I really don't care. I don't play games to self insert.
This is unironically more of a women issue than anything else. Most guys are fine with how things are. It's only women bringing this up as if its some big issue.
>I don't think I've seen a south asian character positively represented in video games.
Name a single South Asian who positively represents them. They don't exist.
Plenty of good, hard working South Asians out there just like with every race. I get its Ganker but its not hard to not assume everyone is the lowest common denominator.
hell, I'd prefer if they never showed a hapa like me on tv or games ever again
please don't represent me
dn't be ridiculous anon. have some self confidence!
I would like to dedicate my representation to big titty b***hes, please show more big titty b***hes instead of showing people like me
self-insert gays have low empathy and imagination levels and ruin everything
No. It's for narcissists that can't empathize with people. They can't imagine themselves in someone elses shoes. Thus the need for "They look like me!" When really what they mean is "They ARE me!" They just don't want to admit this. Character variety is in shambles because of these people. I'm not just talking about in terms of looks, I'm talking about the way characters act. It's all become some variety of self absorbed c**t that can't take a jab, feels the need to "prove" themselves, often against a man and should on all accounts in a normal world, be the fricking villain. So no, these people can get fricked. If I was in charge of the world, they would certainly see themselves, in every single villain role over and over again till the end of time.
Yes but you should be able to find representation in the character's motives, thoughts, and actions, rather than their appearance. You should be able to resonate with a character's struggles and triumphs regardless of their gender, color, race, or even humanity because these experiences transcend these limitations and if you are unable to overcome this barrier it is because you are in fact racist, sexist etc on an internal level because you believe yourself separate from the character due to their superficial differences from yourself.
TLDR demanding representation means you are racist because you can't relate to people of different race.
Brazilians are animals relatively close to humans. Look at the characters they usually make in games. They just wanna be DBZ and anime pretty boys, not "themselves"
Growing up I was an unpopular, white, fat kid in school. I do not think, in any sense of the sort, I ever woke up one morning as a child, a teenager, or an adult and said "Gee in order to feel good about myself I need a fictional character to represent me".
Anyone who says "representation matters" is a narcissist and should be treated as such.
You say because you're subconsciously part of the majority and have only ever felt excluded as a person, not as part of the group.
>felt excluded as a person, not as part of the group
This is a cop out answer if I've ever heard it. Every person is different in some way and the idea of intersectionality is one of the most pervasive, narcissistic ideologies to ever be formed.
>Oh I'm automatically oppressed because I identify as a black, gay, paraplegic pedophile I need representation!
Replace oppressed with excluded, if it helps you take the point across better. There is a black anon few posts above talking about how he resented the lack of black characters in the media when he was younger. Maybe you should care more about the experiences of people instead of making hyperbole arguments.
That's cool. I'm asian tho.
sorry anon, anon's decided you're huwhite to disregard your post regardless of it's merit
better luck next time, honorary aryan. enjoy the milk
>caring about the experiences of people whose identity resides on how many video game characters look like them
We had plenty of diversity back in the 90s and none of it felt forced. Explain that israelite.
You see, this logic doesn't work. You think that blacks or arabs are excluded because they are black, etc. However that isn't the case, it has always been the person. People are willing to accept someone into the group if they play by the rules. We have had lots of black super heroes from the late 90s to early 2000s, but suddenly making new cool characters wasn't enough. They needed to be part of what was considered "the importants". This is the idea of a "haves not". Where you only ever considered yourself separate from the group. There was never an effort to try to belong, you had already decided that you are not part of it, so nothing that the group does can make you feel like you belong. Let me tell you about an experience I had. We were playing Superhero in school. A black kid wanted to be Superman, everyone thought it kind of odd, because there was Green Lantern (latest at the time) or Black Lightning, but decided that it was ok, he probably just wanted to be the leader. However, once I decided to be Static Shock, there was suddenly an issue.
>You can't be him, you aren't Black
I wasn't being excluded from picking him because of who I was as a person. I was being excluded because of my group. I was now invading "Black Space" and this was considered a hostile action by this kid. Once a "haves not" has something, they will never "give it up". Even though in all cases, "haves not" have it all or more. This is why "representation" is so dangerous, because the people that just want to enjoy something are now being barred from doing so and this only leads to resentment. The ultimate end of the current culture will be a race war like no other before it.
The have not ideology and thought pattern is utterly psychotic. It’s one of perpetual victimhood and oppression. Jumping at shadows and looking for anything that can be perceived as an offensive action. And the worst part is that it’s been past down due to some beefed up memetics to the point some kid can grow up in the most sheltered and affluent place in the world but still assume that people are excluding them their entire life based on some ethnic or cultural differences. It’s honestly extremely schizophrenic when you view it in motion.
Like that one black girl who was in the media for a while in a video going on about how she's oppressed because she's black, while attending Harvard with a father who's a railroad executive making about three million dollars each year. Going by the rhetoric, she suffers more than some white bread coal miner's kid in West Virginia.
I've yet to see much representation of Acadians in media, and when there is, it's usually complete stereotypes, usually someone completely fricking dumb and backwards.
>inb4 Gambit, New Orleans is very different, and even then, he's a New Orleans stereotype in many ways.
This had absolutely no effect on me, until I saw people b***hing about how they didn't get their narcissistic self-inserts and bawl like victims. So, tl:dr this issue is fricking dumb.
>is narcissist
You guys could just use the W word.
How much do you guys want to be some gay made this thread to get screen caps to post on twatter.
>the entire point video games besides gameplay is becoming something different than yourself
>get to enjoy a life that is not my own for a short time hence video games being ESCAPISM
>NO IT HAS TO BE LITERALLY ME
The only thing that mentality works for is VNs since their gameplay boils down to "What would my character do in this situation?". All VNs should let the player choose from a roster of characters since characters affect what decisions are presented to the player. Imagine in Danganronpa if the player was able to choose which character to play as from the beginning thus changing the game choices presented every single time.
>looking up to video game characters for self definition, motivation and as role models
This is just a strawman right, nobody actually does this? I see this argument used in cringe comics like this but I've never actually met anyone who says they look up to a fricking video game character
>play games made by Europeans and people of European descent
>people that buy games back when they were tiny 2D pixels with no physical racial traits were 99% white people and Asian people that find white people aesthetically pleasing
>all the plots, characters, and lore of early games that featured such things were mostly based on European history and folklore with Nippon games being either extremely experimental or not bothering with story and character development
>a few women of African descent that make up 1% or less of all people of African descent complain there's not enough representation in the video game industry
>AAA publishers mindbreak themselves into thinking listening to this tiny group of people will rake in billions of dollars
>games flop and anyone who didn't buy games are called racist
And this will continue for another decade.
That 1% also won't buy games, because they don't play games.
This isn't the first time that political correctness has happened, but the first time it had systemic support.
>Is representation important in video games
No. I just want good games
>Should you be able to relate to characters
I just want good games.
Blacks and spics, and ugly females are only added to earn brownie points and make everything worse, hence they shouldn't be in games.
if seeing characters like you is really important, then why is every character non-white and why isn't there a character that represents the white race-traitor dangerhair?
I think diverse perspectives can be good for storytelling. After all GTA:SA was basically calling out the crab mentality of hood people.
The whole, "the character has to be literally me", thing is a bit much though. Women tend to complain about this more because they are constantly told that said character's whatever traits are unattainable. Men are told to suck it up, so a lot of men essentially care less about what they are and more so what they represent.
It isn't that men don't want to self insert. I'd argue that Mario and Zelda were the first big "self insert" games because you played as a dude. But no one self inserted into Mario and Link as people but because they were heroes and they wanted to save someone.
Women tend to self insert literally, men tend to self insert in terms of role or ideology.
Whenever I have a character creator I make a guy that looks nothing like me but also looks cool. No, its only important if you have narcissistic traits. Ugly narcissists want more ugly people in video games so they can pretend theyre lowering the beauty standard. Inbreality shit like bg3 or outer worlds, starfield only makes me more disgusted with the game. How about a cool looking character to relate to? One that doesent feel like their face was based on some lgbbq diversity hire from the companies face scan.
Lol I just made Low tier God and roleplayed as him for my BG3. Ran him as a storm sorc.
Who the frick finds self worth in fictional characters? Are trannies really that deranged?
>Are trannies really that deranged
Honestly I’m kind of tired so I’ll just spare the explanation for now and say absolutely.
Transgenders have a very high comorbidity rate with a laundry list of mental illnesses. But in this case its mostly women and submissive men that are responsible for the trend.
Wait a moment. Isn't this them basically admitting one of the reasons they do it is because they lacked any positive/strong role models growing up?
>Are trannies really that deranged?
>Are men that think they're women really that deranged?
Do you have to ask? Do you REALLY have to ask?
>Are trannies really that deranged?
does a pope shit in the woods
They literally chop their dicks off, what do you think?
Humans are always the most boring characters
I guess I can agree with Black folk on something
Except when you can larp as the Imperium in space games and eradicate the xenos
true. the one exception I only give a shit about the humans
I've never related to another person, real or fictional.
test benis
if i wanted to play as something who looked like me i would unironically just go outside
There's is literally nothing I've cared less about than a main character design. Make them black, a Martian, a crab, I don't care.
>video game about a black Martian crab
i'm firing up godot now
Remember us when you become the next Toby Fox, anon!
Reminds me how the original ME didn't make Tali or Garrus a love interest cause they thought no one would be interested.
And they ended up being the most popular pairing for both Sheps.
That's partially a matter of risk mitigation. Aliens can be relatable, but there is more risk of people being unable to understand them and so that means fewer customers.
That's more of a marker of low IQ, in that the consumers literally can't understand how an alien could be relatable. But morons buy games, so developers will develop games for morons.
Weak
proof these people are holding us back from real diversity
>very much a human one
But ayys in these kinds of stories are still essentially human in mindset and outlook, human in the sense that people usually mean when they say a story is "very much a human one". If it was a setting where most aliens actually had an alien worldview that would be another thing, but all this does is yet again show that people seem to care more about the external than the internal.
Yes, relating to the character I play as is the most important parts of liking that character. I'm an elderly italian man who's into bondage and I'm very happy whenever I get represented in a videogame.
>Should you be able to relate to characters
If you require characters to be of the same race as you in order to relate to them you're racist as frick.
Unless you are a racist/sexist etc. you already can.
Representation is for bigots who admit they're bigots while calling you one because you call them out on it.
If they are then you must also be one because they're amazing and perfect in every way and you're lesser.
nothing is more cringe than “i like to make the character look like me in video games”
>when I create a character I usually just make myself
The telltale sign of low IQ and even worse empathy.
>seeing people who look like you and who you can identify with
>[ unnecessary clumsy separation ]
>is really important.
White guy here. In Sims I made my own Bill Cosby family. Get fricked, Black folk.
Empathy is the ability to inhabit others people's feeling and relate to their experiences. I have little trouble imagining myself in others' shoes and trying to understand people who are different from me in good faith.
People who angrily demand representation for themselves do so because they're incapable of empathizing with anyone who has different skin / sexual preferences / upbringing ect... basically they're sociopaths.
I don't care if characters look like me or not, what matters to me is if they're cool or attractive to look at. Unless they're supposed to be a monster or them being ugly is an important part of their characterisation, I don't know why I am compelled by media to look at ugly people 24/7. I go outside and the people I see are more attractive than characters in these games much of the time.
I've never made a custom character look like me.
>seeing people who look like you is important.
Hence, I want to see more white people
Okay but where's the sexy representation?
funny that no one ask for more bald characters
>Enter: White Male
>the sheer amount of seething insecurity that erupted on Ganker over devs gently teasing their playerbase
i will never understand how more people don't get ruthlessly mocked into suicide about getting upset over this
Then for the release and the release trailer they made they made the black female wino with the greasy anthro the default human. No doubt playing sociological pseudoscience of "just don't have white males be the literal default and you will see more diverse created characters!" they're probably annoyed at their analytics right now.
If you want to be considered desirable maybe you should clean up your attitude, darling.
Since when was it considered a source when it comes from spoiled attention seeking activists?
>Should you be able to relate to characters
Shouldn't have to tell you this, but if you can't relate to a character that doesn't look exactly like you, you're a narcissist and, honestly, a waste of oxygen.
Didn't Sarkesian say "everything is misogynistic and you have to constantly point it out or people won't change."
She was write but it changed people for the worst. Thanks to her an others like her feminism is taken less seriously.
That just means that there is no appeasing them because the "struggle" must remain constant or else they lose their justification for power over you.
She did when referring to how annoying she was in her younger years when she saw all these "power dynamics" everywhere, being a "liberating moment" for her, but considering what she's reveled in her goodbye podcast several months ago, she's "mentally drained" from being an activist 24/7 -- she's THAT indoctrinated. Like Lacy Green, she has trouble turning off her Feminism with everything.
yes because it makes /misc/tards seethe
You are talking to the people forcing themselves to be Captain America or something.
I'm bored of "lazy" diversification. African culture is colorful and playful, it has an aspect of mystique because most of their folktales are still passed down orally since they never wrote a majority of them down. It makes it difficult as hell to actually find out things relating to their culture over the internet, so people always go with the mudhut philosophy in things like Wakanda making skyscraper lapa huts. It sucks because there's some truly interesting ways to interpret their culture in a fantasy setting, especially when some have already been done. Living in the ruins of another civilization that came and went, their fight for independence, their struggle to find a foothold after years of wars against foreign colonial powers. Many of these end up in Science Fiction stories, but to an extent it's just as true here. North Africa is full of massive idols and architecture that blots out the sun, and yet we use none of it. Dune is basically space Arabs, and yet it works because it carries with it the same mystique someone from the mid 1900's felt exploring their histories from books and tomes brought over centuries. It is much more intriguing than making random people in the world black with no real answer as to the how's and why's. It's not progressive, it's just lazy.
AFRICAN CULTURE IS REALLY FRICKING COOL BUT NO ONE WANTS TO MAKE ANYTHING ABOUT IT, IT'S THE GAYEST SHIT IN THE WORLD
>Gods must be Crazy : Walking sim
Somehow a list of sources that are just opinion piece web articles makes something less credible in my eyes than no sources as all.
okay, can we have more games with straight white males then?
>game has character creation
>get the shortest and shittiest hair options because developing head gear and clipping is too difficult to manage
>limited to only natural hair colors
>faces are preset only and are ugly asf
>eyes are limited to natural colors only
>character is mute, unexpressive, and is just a walking background NPC in every aspect except role
>gear options are unisex and the most generic looking shit in the world
>NPCs have way better hair, clothes, faces, etc.
Name the game
There really is something mentally deficient about women, huh
women identify with the messenger
men identify with the message
>Is representation important in video games
No.
>Should you be able to relate to characters
I could say yes, but if the white male character is negatively impacting the experience for black girls playing the game, isn't a black female character negatively impacting the experience for me? The answer is yes, you can't have your cake and eat it, too. So, if you believe in this, then what you're saying is that you can only pander to so many people at once, and the people who make things like your pic value brown people over white people and women over men. That's fine, but they pretend it's not true in the hopes of baiting white people/men into giving them money for a product explicitly created for someone else.
It's cool that Mexican lesbians want to see themselves in games, but you have to extend that to me, too, right? And then the entire thing falls apart, because these game developers aren't Mexican lesbians, they're mostly white men who are politically motivated to make products for anyone and everyone but white men. They're just traitors to their people, sabotaging their own country. That's the long and short of it.
Oh the appeal the thrill of playing as shaniqua #3762776
THANK YOU SWEET BABY
>representation of PoC
>has a background image of black gangsters with guns
these fricking racists man kek
Nogz and '"anti-racists"' legit think that hoodlum culture is real culture
While sweet baby is SJW garbage, you should probably learn how identify the context of things, anon. Propaganda will work on you more if you stay moronic.
>"Queer"
is just a way for non-gays/lesbians/bi's to use LGBT as a springboard into political currency for the oppression olympics that professional life has turned into.
VERY COOL
VERY DIVERSE
I AM LEARNING
>Blacks for years had 0 problem relating to a show with a man in it that as he gets stronger the more blonde shining white he looks.
What changed?
this is largely a woman issue, not a race issue. Lego study and all that. Companies want women to buy their shit and will keep trying to pander to them. That said I don't really mind more CaC options. Being able to make Hefty Chang with dreads in some setting is appealing in its own way even if I'm not asian, fat, nor hairy
>Lego study
This isn't even true for all women. I did a lot of RPing growing up and most of them, as far as I knew, were women. And I have seen them playing a range of different characters with different personalities, interests and behaviors. Both male and female. And Full Metal Alchemist was created by a woman.
studies and stuff like that don't mean literally all people behave it that way. It just points out general trends and patterns for the majority of a population. There will always be exceptions and outliers. When you try to target different demographics you aren't going for the exceptions
When you talk about women that do RP you're usually talking about outliers, or at least it used to be the case before RPing became mainstream. Just like Ganker users don't necessarily represent the average young male
>as far as I knew
what a suspicious descriptor to throw in mid-anecdote like that
>This group of people statisically have a tendency to...
>But I know a person..!
common woman mistake
Just shut the frick up
>women
>on the 'chan
where's the stupid people don't understand generals pasta?! I don't have it on me.
it's just people with fake degrees and affirmative action jobs trying to make it look like they are doing legitimate work
This. Marketers as a whole rely on buzzwords and fake engagement.
Goku is a literal monkey who turns into an aryan supergod after his tail gets snipped. Of course blacks love him.
do you like playing as the strong independent black female on every game?
Yes. That's why I don't buy, play or promote games with Black folk, women, trannies or disabled people.
If anyone asks why I just go "I don't feel represented™"
If you cant relate to anyone that doesn't look and act exactly like you then you are a sociopath.
Only NPC types can't relate to protagonists that aren't exactly like them. Including non-humans.
Everyone enjoys media more if they can empathize with the characters and the easiest way to empathize with a character is if they are more like you. But women's enjoyment of media seem to be far more influenced by this need to empathize, so they make the characters reflect themselves as much as possible since they understand the thoughts and feelings of themselves more than anything else. But this has a negative effect on vidya because it makes vidya more lame
An entire generation of sociopaths.
>you need a character to look exactly like you in order to relate to or identify with them
This is the stupidest fricking thing I've ever heard.
>game mostly sticks with pulling members of the guild to voice their line up
>rando person from your country out of nowhere appears in the game
>tonal whiplash from how hard the accent contrasts with the rest of the experience
That's probably some mental illness induced narcissism or something.
I and most people I know can relate to characters that look nothing like them.
Yes, that's why I am still waiting for a canonical dragon/griffin beastfricker MC in any RPG
Drakengard 1 is over 20 years old
>Anita Sarkeesian
Funny how her career ended when she dumped her millionaire trust-fund baby BF (who was the true writer of her propaganda show) and how it was discovered that the entire rest of her family had personally financed Drumpf's presidential campaign...
Funny how things have shifted to become literally the exact opposite of what we were supposed to aspire to when I was a kid.
Imagine deriving your sense of self-worth from fricking video games of all things.
>As a kid in the 90s basically all the cartoons I watched and shows I watched had black characters and never thought twice about this, still identified with and admired those characters despite being white
>Apparently nobody else can identify with characters unless they are the same color,sex and weight as them.
Just more evidence white people are superior I guess.
where are all the hispanic leads in vidya? gta has some non-mexican lady who is probably cuban and miles is half puerto rican so he's basically just black
you already got the general swarthoid representation with Tommy Vercetti, anon.
>Italian
only normies relate to characters by their physical attributes. i identify with characters with personality traits and ideological beliefs that i agree with or approve of.
As a white male, I completely agree. Moving forward, every single video game should have a White Male option in the character select screen.
Black person
I know I shouldn't engage with this question at all on any sort of sincere level but ever since learning Japanese and therefore playing most of my games in Japanese, I've found it to be somewhat of a, not painful but I can't think of the right word experience. Having the game ask for your name for the obvious self-insert and not having enough spaces to put in my name in katakana did feel a bit alienating. Having to short-form my own name to fit set perameters did feel kinda bad. That's all I have to say on this really, though.
ayo
As a male my favorite characters are The Kid and Reimu Hakurei
It's not my problem you don't look like this
If you don't need representation why do you guys seethe whenever a protag isn't white?
it isn't that the protag isn't white, its about the intentions behind race swapping characters or explicitly, consciously, trying to NOT have a white character
Reasonable
Fantasy worlds aren't bound by realism
>Fantasy worlds aren't bound by realism
no, but they're typically recognisable as they're exaggerations of the real world. a fantasy world that is heavily themed like Feudal Japan in setting and style would simply stick out like a sore thumb if every character looked like a subsaharan african
>Fantasy worlds aren't bound by realism
Yes. They are bound by their style consistency. Many of them are derived from medieval times with magic added in this or that amount - Black folk don't fit there in any way, but exotic travellers from faraway lands in a very small amounts as in 1-3 per game maximum.
Also, yes, fantasy worlds aren't bound by realism, they are bound by aestetics - therefore there is no reason to make "plain ugly" characters at all and there are very few reasons to make them intentionally ugly - only for very specific situations.
It is okay to have some oceanic setting full of black/tanned people, it is not okay to give them ugly faces of native Africans.
Two reasons.
Non-whites usually don't fit european fantasy settings and their derivatives when placed not as oriental/arabic/tribal/otherwise exotic variation, but as a commoner. Literally "hello, fellow whites" situation.
Second is that when most of non-whites are depicted by western developers in "serious" or "realistic" manner, they tend to end up either ugly or plain ugly. In modern days gays are trying to fix that by making everyone "plain ugly", but that only worsens things further.
>If you don't need representation why do you guys seethe whenever a protag isn't white?
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Big irony of white gamers lol
The problem is the replacements are always utter shit.
being unable to related to a character who doesn't look like you is a sign or sociopathy
I wish women could understand how lame and gay they are
i have literally never used the character creator to make a character that even remotely looks like me. i have literally never played a game where a character looked like me.
meanwhile, millions of boys across the entire planet identify with some sort of light skinned alien with the power to blow up an entire planet
If representation matter why every Black person and every Hispanic in existance identify with Goku, Gihan or Vegeta?
>source: Patricia Hernandez
hahahahhaha
>chud: representation isn't important! *makes white human male warrior*
Why do mass shooters never have female protagonist violent games as an evidence that links real life violence to video games anyway?