the game is too easy the second you learn how to block. There's not a single hard fight in the entire game. It's a bit moronic but once you learn how to do it you're practically invincible, not to mention how forgiving it is with how long you can stay in the block stance with no repercussions.
>It's a bit moronic but once you learn how to do it you're practically invincible >"once you learn how to play the game, the way its intended, you become invincible"
it takes 2 minutes to "learn the game" during the first bossfight. Once you "learn the game", it becomes so braindead easy that it borders on boring. Having a "win" button with no repercussions isn't a good mechanic you snarky moron and i already said why it makes it too easy
You can trivialize Armstrong-- and the gorilla bois, for that matter-- with the Defensive Offense move. Hold any direction and press regular attack button + jump button at the same time. It dodges everything and gives you i-frames, while also doing a slash. It's like God Hand's dodging but it also does damage. It evades "Yellow" attacks (where the enemy glows yellow instead of red; these are un-parry-able and usually Grab moves) which can make the Metal Gear Excelsus fight hilarious at times.
The series always had gameplay
Revengeance is an okay action game, and that's fine because it's not trying to be anything more than that
V is a terrible game in all respects that somehow is equally up its own ass in both gameplay and story
>like some stupid homosexual spinoff made for 12 year olds >be moronic enough to call yourself a fan of the series >surprised when a real fan thinks you’re a homosexual moron
Shocker
Yakuza, Metal Gear (rising especially), and DMC are like the holy trinity for 18-25 sexless terminally online white males who don’t actually play games just scroll twitter/Ganker/groomercord/youtube all day
But seriously it's unironically one of the best metal gear games and only "stealth" homosexuals that can't into action games or ninja gaiden homosexuals upset it doesn't have a million xxxx yyyyx xyxyx xyxxxy yyxyxyx combos hate it.
Revengeance is funny in that it was hated when it first came out then liked and now it’s hated again because normies like it.
In reality it’s basically the only Metal Gear game worth playing because it’s a parody of how moronic the franchise is while simultaneously managing to fit the lore pretty well.
MGRR is a great game, but it’s in a very meme position right now. It’s has that “Persona 5” status in which people say they’re huge Persona fans and only played 5. I wouldn’t be surprised if some people who are MGRR fans never even play it.
its good but as with all things reddit exaggerates how good it was, and now its overrated. Also memes it spawned are annoying as shit, echoing lines in the games isn't funny, and it's the same reason why people hate jojo fans.
this, and also people trying to pass it's "message" as something sociopolitical on the same level as mainline MGS games, when in reality, it's all just justification for you to slice some dudes in half
Same thing that happened to JoJo. Unfunny memelord secondaries found out about it and think spamming song lyrics and quotes from the game is the pinnacle of comedy.
It got popular with zoomers, 90% of Ganker doesn't have a taste in videogames (I don't mean they have bad taste, I mean they literally have none, tabula rasa) and just chose what games they like off of contrarianism.
The fate of Metal Gear was sealed by the expense of the Fox Engine. Revengeance was a relatively cheap genre change spinoff, akin to Ac!d, just on console.
>the expense of Fox Engine
Ganker has been talking about budgets regarding MGSV for 10 years and has yet to give a specific number.
I swear Metal Geargays in Ganker are the most autistic morons in this board to this day, even with all the social media gossiping zoomers.
V had a budget of $80M and had an engine made for it, with Konami's desire to get more return on that engine leading to Grind Zeroes and Survive. It was, to Konami decision makers, expensive.
No but MGS4 is. Ever since Kojima received death threats to his wife and son to continue working on MGS it was over. He really outdid himself with "you rearry want Metar Gear Sorid from me?" and just nosedived the franchise into asbolute pit of awful disfanservice.
I'd do the same honestly. Imagine having a homosexual deviantart tier fanbase of giant manchildren like that threatening your family because you didn't want to direct a video game. I would've honestly gone further with 4 and had the final boss fight cut out after a minute of gameplay and superimposed a giant "frick you" on the screen.
I'd do the same honestly. Imagine having a homosexual deviantart tier fanbase of giant manchildren like that threatening your family because you didn't want to direct a video game. I would've honestly gone further with 4 and had the final boss fight cut out after a minute of gameplay and superimposed a giant "frick you" on the screen.
But Kojima does invite a lot of that criticism. If you're presenting yourself as this auteur director with your name front and center all the time people are gonna treat you as such. *Of course* people are gonna want *the* Kojima to direct the final conclusion to the MGS series, the same way they would've been upset if JK Rowling hadn't written the last Harry Potter book, or David Lynch hadn't directed The Return, or Tolkien hadn't written The Return of the King. You can't expect fans back in the day to understand the subtext of what Kojima was trying to do with passing the IP on to his team, because not even people in the future understood it until it was said in interviews, watched in making-of documentaries and the like. From a normal player pov, how is it weird to wonder "Who is this guy? How can Kojima not come back to direct the final MGS game?". He put himself in that spot. You don't see people praising the likes of Patrice Désilets or Raphaël Colantonio because they never plastered their names all over the screen every time you played one of their games. Kojima did.
>But Kojima does invite a lot of that criticism. If you're presenting yourself as this auteur director with your name front and center all the time people are gonna treat you as such. >From a normal player pov, how is it weird to wonder "Who is this guy? How can Kojima not come back to direct the final MGS game?". He put himself in that spot.
"I will murder your wife and your son if you won't direct the next MGS." Yeah, no. MGS4 wasn't supposed to exist anyway, not as a continuation of MGS2. MGS2 was where the story ended, that's why MGS3 was a prequel. It wasn't supposed to be called MGS3 either but here we are.
>it's the "le death threats" excuse all over again
I'm sure Abby's VA also received "le death threats" for TLoU2, right? MGS2 sold 7 million copies, MGS3 6.2 million. Some very specific, very moronic Japanese stalkers sending a couple letters in the mid-2000s doesn't somehow involve the millions of fans of the franchise all wishing Kojimbo dead, and still your post didn't actually address my point.
It's similar to the complaint people had about Twin Snakes, where the addition of goofiness like rocket surfing and ninja-flipping over a doorframe didn't seem to fit the gravity they were trying to push elsewhere in the story. MGS4 constantly gave you whiplash, like seeing someone make a death speech and commit suicide, then five minutes later having Mount Snakemore rise out of the Arctic Ocean. Revengeance on the other hand, feels like the right genre for that kind of batshit stuff.
>But Kojima does invite a lot of that criticism. If you're presenting yourself as this auteur director with your name front and center all the time people are gonna treat you as such. >From a normal player pov, how is it weird to wonder "Who is this guy? How can Kojima not come back to direct the final MGS game?". He put himself in that spot.
"I will murder your wife and your son if you won't direct the next MGS." Yeah, no. MGS4 wasn't supposed to exist anyway, not as a continuation of MGS2. MGS2 was where the story ended, that's why MGS3 was a prequel. It wasn't supposed to be called MGS3 either but here we are.
>kojima was forced to work on 4 because of death threats >kojima also made 4 intentionally shitty and weird because he resented working on it
Doesn't sound like he was taking those threats very seriously. Like maybe he's just a bit of a weird guy who has a long history of taking his franchise in strange directions.
>makes 3 great games >makes a game that very meticulously brings every interesting thing from the previous 3 games and makes it retroactively infinitely worse in a very specific way
Yeah I bet it was because the Yakuza killed Tomokazu Fukushima that Kojimbo lost his plot.
>make three great games, that have loads of weird shit and also retcons for every previous game
Kojima put a dead guy possessing another dude through his hand transplant in 2 and then in 3 tentatively justified it happening because his dad was a ghost. Anyone who expected the big wrap up to all this to be sane and satisfying was a moron.
>Kojima put a dead guy possessing another dude through his hand transplant in 2
We see only VR recreation of it as part of Raiden's training so it's probably not real.
You mean the dudes making a VR sim for raiden were all like "lmao make his hand have a ghost in it, that'll really frick him up"?
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Anonymous
It's more about having unexpected and crazy scenarios and observing your special operatives whether they can handle it on the fly or not. Things like Vamp wouldn't even be the craziest things in VR. The original missions had huge godzilla soldiers as part of the training.
But we don't. You're not one of those "the Tanker you play is Raiden's VR" theory morons? And even if you are, you do realize Liquid speaks again at the very end of the game in Arsenal right?
>it's the "le death threats" excuse all over again
I'm sure Abby's VA also received "le death threats" for TLoU2, right? MGS2 sold 7 million copies, MGS3 6.2 million. Some very specific, very moronic Japanese stalkers sending a couple letters in the mid-2000s doesn't somehow involve the millions of fans of the franchise all wishing Kojimbo dead, and still your post didn't actually address my point.
You see this is why I have such a hard time believe this death threat narrative. >Literally the Vice President of Konami at the time >I’m supposed to believe that Kojima, a guy who made a shit ton of money, chose to cave into death threats instead of buying better security >Even if death threats weren’t the problem, he still had more than enough sway to not work on it.
People who use the death threat narrative either don’t wanna admit or realize that Kojima just wanted to leverage for a higher paycheck.
He didn't work on MGS4 initially and came back to codirect it only after huge outcry and death threats. It really looks like an inside job. He was already rich and wanted to make something new.
MGS4 completely ruined the primary themes of the first three games, that war was primarily an instrument by which entrenched institutions gamble for power, and that anyone who thinks they're fighting for ideology or the future is a sucker and a pawn, by having every problem in the world lead back to like 5 or 6 guys and their mega submarine.
You are acting as if the concept of having one baddie who's in control of everything is a new thing. Wasn't it Liquid who was threatening the world with his own Metal Gear? or Solidus who was challenging the Patriots? only MGS3 is close to what you are describing
In both MGS1 and 2, it's made clear that the conflicts being played out were only the symptoms of much deeper societal ills and that ultimately your victory is tainted by the fact that it served the interests of those truly at fault. Liquid and Solid, Solidus and Raiden, were all products of the US military industrial conflict. Solid was deployed to shadow moses because they'd prefer not to have to use a nuke, but it was always an option. They didn't take the big shell incident seriously at all, instead using it as an opportunity to study the fruits of their labor. MGS3 didn' create these ideas, it merely wove them more elegantly into the protagonists personal struggle.
And the sad thing is we can see it now in real time with how the propaganda about Ukraine-Russia is going on and the funding for it. If the military industrial complex wanted Ukraine to win, they would supply much more but as of now the supply is just exactly right to prolong the conflict as long as possible while balancing the fact Ukraine could become a military power and using all channels of propaganda to confuse everyone.
no, MGS4 did that on its own, nobody that wasn't a 300lb neckbeard thought MGR was anything other than a spinoff
i will say that the ending of MGS4 was great, no debate on that
Which ending are you talking about then? When Ocelot was pretending to be Liquid that is pretending to be Ocelot who is losing control and becoming Liquid?
>When Ocelot was pretending to be Liquid that is pretending to be Ocelot who is losing control and becoming Liquid?
yes, if you didn't think that was the best moment of the entire game then you have 0 taste
that and Big Boss deathbed speech
Lot of people don’t wanna admit it but if MGS4 came out today it would be hated just as much as things like The Last Jedi. Only reason people these days give it a pass is cause of nostalgia.
Yeah, I also liked the part where Rose revealed she was merely pretending she cucked Raiden into almost committing suicide and her baby didn't miscarriage, so now they can have the ending of MGS2 for realsies this time and Raiden being turned into a killer robot definitely won't get in the way of this.
I don't know if I like taking the events on screen literally or if I prefer to imagine meeting Big Boss is Snake crossing into the afterlife after shooting himself. Otacon seemed certain that Snake had died or else he probably wouldve told Sunny "Snake is very sick but he needs us and we should be there for him while we can"
The meta aspect is something nobody can pick up on from the English dub but reconciling with Big Boss wraps the underlining theme of the entire story from the very beginning in a perfect bow. Kojima admits to having father problems during his childhood which inspired the relationship between Solid Snake and Big Boss. There's a lot of existential anxiety in Metal Gear about living up to your father's legacy and being afraid of being like him.
Snake's JP voice actor Akio Otsuka was estranged from his own father who was also a voice actor. By casting Chikao Otsuka as Big Boss, it forced them to talk for the first time in years as professionals in the same field showing gratitude and respect towards one another, while using Snake and Big Boss as their mouthpiece. The theme of father problems was resolved by healing a real life father-son relationship. Top tier fricking kino.
You arent wrong there. The dumbest fricking thing ever was making the goofball support team from 3 into the series main antagonists at the very last second.
I prefer the ending of 2 as a series closer, Raiden using the sword breaks him from the mold of "Not Solid Snake" so he actualizes as a person in an ironic way because in doing so he understands he's a video game character, clinging to Rose because whether she's real or not is irrelevant to him. The player is reminded that fiction is meant to inspire us to continue fighting to have a good life in reality because escaping into a fantasy world is as effective as hiding from your problems under a cardboard box. And Snake gets to live on in our imaginations as we wonder what kind of adventures the hunt for the Patriots will take him and Otacon on. In a weird way every single Metal Gear game is a great ending to the series.
MGS4 had some great moments and ideas but the whole is a bit insufferable.
High IQ post. As far as I am concerned MGS ended with 3. I don't understand why some people need to have answers like okay but who really actually were the patriots? and praising 4 for giving them answers, however poorly conceived the answers were.
The thing is we didn't need to know who the Patriots were because MGS2 FRICKING TELLS US, it's the algamation of the top brass of most western nations and the various institutions they use to insulate themselves from the tools (people) they use to carry out their will. The entire point of the name is that they and their "memes" were so thoroughly baked into the basic infrastructure of society that stripping them of their power would require abandoning patriotism in and of itself.
But never mind it's just a handful of korean war vets LOL
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Like Eva in the garden of Eden I too tempted a Snake >*picks an apple from the ground*
MGS is kind of 2 different series to me. The Snake series is MG1 and 2, MGS1, and MGS2. Big Boss series is MGS3, PW, and MGSV. You could stop at 3 because it gives Big Boss his motivation to be a villain and shows how the Philosophers became the Patriots and thats honestly all the info you NEED to understand him. You could stop at Peace Walker and watch him reject The Boss and imagine that Mother Base becomes Outer Heaven and Solid Snake fights ZEKE in MG1. Or you could follow through with V because it's almost like an evil twin of MGS2 and it has a lot to say about identity and trauma. Venom is the same memetic character as Raiden, with the only difference being that his Snake betrays him until he self actualizes instead of mentoring him. It also brings Big Boss's arc to completion because he kills the Medic for gain similar to the US killing the Boss.
The thing is we didn't need to know who the Patriots were because MGS2 FRICKING TELLS US, it's the algamation of the top brass of most western nations and the various institutions they use to insulate themselves from the tools (people) they use to carry out their will. The entire point of the name is that they and their "memes" were so thoroughly baked into the basic infrastructure of society that stripping them of their power would require abandoning patriotism in and of itself.
But never mind it's just a handful of korean war vets LOL
I interpreted the Patriots as being the members of KojiPro themselves, despite their best efforts the characters in the story will never get to defeat the powers that be because their influence on the world is so powerful through the means you described that they may as well be on an entirely different plane of existence.
It goes hand in hand with the point escapism through media, we've all become obsessed with global politics and conspiracies due to the worldwide nature of the internet. For a lot of people this causes great distress and depression because it's increasingly obvious that everything is rigged and that it's all planned by these ultra-powerful elites on a scale never before seen in history. We find ourselves with this instinct to rebel or fight them somehow, but unfortunately a part of maturity is accepting the system that you live in and living well despite it. The real world Powers That Be are just as untouchable to us as Yoji Shinkawa is to Snake and Otacon, and the real way to rebel against them is to live a decent life with the people in your immediate surroundings.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Or you could follow through with V because it's almost like an evil twin of MGS2 and it has a lot to say about identity and trauma.
Yup! That’s why I like V.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Absolutely I'm thinking more people are starting to accept V for what it was just like it took a decade for fans to warm up to MGS2 and Raiden.
Even the format was the same. Ground Zeroes was this meticulous and satisfying opening chapter starring the guy we wanted to play as like the Tanker, and V is a slightly clunkier, unpolished game (still leagues above other triple a games) that was disappointing on purpose, where you play as the guy you are like the Big Shell. Even the trailers are required viewing to get the full experience of both games. I cant really put a finger on what it means but Raiden decides to be his own character outside of the player's influence to live a full life and Venom decides to embrace his role as both Big Boss's and the player's puppet and it leads him to inevitable death.
There's a wild amount of schizo shit going on in V but it's rarely talked about because it's as much of a sandbox story as a sandbox game, you only get out of it what you put into it. I think the people that speed through V's story like a regular game and hate it are the equivalent of players who use the chicken hat and the tranq/M16 combo only and say its not fun
>the lesson of the patriots is that they're invincible and you shoupd just give up
No. The lesson of the patriots is that everything you believe is fundamentally good or worth saving abour your country is a carefully constructed lie designed to trick you into discounting sedition and revolution as valid options before even seriously considering them. Take the USA. Nearly uncontested global super power, propped up by an unmatched military, and yet that military is powered by the labor of people with fundamentally different valies than the government that commands them. Why? Because they have been fooled into thinking "America" is something more than its current state, that what we have today is a sick and dysfunctional form of something worth preserving. But it's nothing more than an illusion. A memetic slave collar, forged from lies and dishonest rhetoric, drilled into us from early childhood.
Oh damn I see where you're coming from, its like how most Americans have guns but nobody ever does anything useful with them. We've been so thoroughly psyopped from all angles that we shoot each other in supermarkets instead of using our 2nd Amendment rights as they were intended, to make politicians work for us instead of vice versa. Its why the boomers think we still live in the same America they thrived in and wonder why current generations flounder. "The world you were raised to live in no longer exists"
But what do you propose the average Joe on the street with bills to pay and a family to feed can do about it? It's not out of the question that Solid Snake could disrupt the Patriots in a game set after 2 but the entire thesis statement of MGS2 was "You are not Solid Snake"
9 months ago
Anonymous
>the lesson of the patriots is that they're invincible and you shoupd just give up
No. The lesson of the patriots is that everything you believe is fundamentally good or worth saving abour your country is a carefully constructed lie designed to trick you into discounting sedition and revolution as valid options before even seriously considering them. Take the USA. Nearly uncontested global super power, propped up by an unmatched military, and yet that military is powered by the labor of people with fundamentally different valies than the government that commands them. Why? Because they have been fooled into thinking "America" is something more than its current state, that what we have today is a sick and dysfunctional form of something worth preserving. But it's nothing more than an illusion. A memetic slave collar, forged from lies and dishonest rhetoric, drilled into us from early childhood.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm afraid what anon said went over your head if that's what you heard him say.
At the risk of throwing meaningless platitudes and gotchas at you, if revolution and sedition are necessary for the common man to live a fulfilling life and have dignity in this country, then why aren't you doing what you can to make those things happen instead of writing posts like this on the government's internet?
Do you really think that people who do charitable works for their communities and try to lead by example are really doing their communities a disservice by not trying to lead an armed insurrection and start a civil war instead?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>At the risk of throwing meaningless platitudes and gotchas at you, if revolution and sedition are necessary for the common man to live a fulfilling life and have dignity in this country, then why aren't you doing what you can to make those things happen instead of writing posts like this on the government's internet?
Because I am a coward. >Do you really think that people who do charitable works for their communities and try to lead by example are really doing their communities a disservice by not trying to lead an armed insurrection and start a civil war instead?
Yes
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Do you really think that people who do charitable works for their communities and try to lead by example are really doing their communities a disservice by not trying to lead an armed insurrection and start a civil war instead? >Yes
Well, anon, all I can say is that I used to think like you until I realized that maybe someone at the top of the pyramid would rather I spend my days alone and afraid of the powers that be instead of just trying to enjoy my life and be good to the people that I can reasonably have an impact on while I'm alive.
I truly think that this war against the people in charge can only be fought as a war of attrition and nonviolent resistance. I think it would be foolish to expect the situation to get better in my life time and instead think my efforts would be better spent preparing the next generation to better prepare their successors to grapple with this corrupt system that we have all unwillingly been born into.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I truly think that this war against the people in charge can only be fought as a war of attrition and nonviolent resistance.
Then you are an ideal slave, and your children will be too, willing or unwilling. Only misanthropy and disruption will save us. Trying to be content and productive while those who close the noose feed on the cream of your crop will only make it that much harder to resist.
9 months ago
Anonymous
With an attitude like that, I guess it's a good thing that I'll have children and you won't. You spare your bloodline the horror of existing during late stage capitalism and my children inherit the Earth. Everybody wins.
The notion that I am a slave for denying the powers that be what they want from me (misery) while you are content to sit on your hands and give them exactly what they want is laughable. Write me another poem.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I guess it's a good thing that I'll have children and you won't.
Will you? Or are you just going to say you will to maintain the facade of optimism? How would things possibly get better when you willingly feed the problem? Especially when that beast does everything it can to convince you to go without a legacy, to allow yourself to be replaced by a fatter strain of cattle. They don't want misery. They want productivity.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Will you? Or are you just going to say you will to maintain the facade of optimism?
I will. It's no facade, anon. I'm an optimist. >How would things possibly get better when you willingly feed the problem?
How am I feeding the problem by insisting that good can still be done in your immediate community regardless of what the most powerful people in the world are doing? I have a job and pay bills; is that what you mean? >Especially when that beast does everything it can to convince you to go without a legacy, to allow yourself to be replaced by a fatter strain of cattle.
Why does that mean that I should just roll over and let them win? Why are you eager to call your fellow man cattle? >They don't want misery. They want productivity.
You've been misled. They want misery because it breeds complacency. They overexert the workforce in the name of "productivity" to induce profound malaise and misery. They sell you things to alleviate the misery with the money from the job that makes you miserable. They want you to be miserable, and they want you to think that the only way out is death and the termination of your bloodline. They want people who can recognize the evil that they do to go extinct.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Why does that mean that I should just roll over and let them win?
You're letting them right now. If you're a coward like me, the correct thing to do is be a leach on the system. If you're braver, the correct thing to do is go full minecraft. >You've been misled. They want misery because it breeds complacency.
You have fallen for exactly the trap the patriots used in the metal gear franchise. You have been fooled into thinking that trying your hardest and generating the most resources for the very system that disarms you and rapes your children and lies about your past and binds your words is some sort of rebellion, when all you're doing is adding grist to the mill. I reiterate: they don't want you miserable, they want your value. This is why I say "cattle". Any farmer knows that the key to making operations smooth and profitable is to get the livestock comfortable.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You just sound like a lazy misanthrope looking to excuse his behavior, anon. >You have been fooled into thinking that trying your hardest and generating the most resources for the very system that disarms you and rapes your children and lies about your past and binds your words is some sort of rebellion, when all you're doing is adding grist to the mill.
I don't really do any of that. I work as a caregiver for disabled people. It's a very easy yet fulfilling job that pays me peanuts.
What do you actually want me to do? Please tell me since you've apparently got it all figured out. Just prescribe to me what I should do if I truly want to make the world a better place.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I work as a caregiver for disabled people. It's a very easy yet fulfilling job that pays me peanuts.
Well hey at least there's that. Can't really ask you to do more without, you know, iillegal shit. I just get mad at the dumbass boomer attitude that working as hard as possible within the system is the best way to change it, when if anything it's just rewarding it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
And what I'm proposing isn't working as hard as possible; I think that shit is dumb too. All I'm saying is that the actual way that we win against the powers that be is by living a healthy, virtuous life and being good to the people we encounter on a daily basis. I won't pretend that it's easy to do that, though.
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's a very creative interpretation, that the Patriots are KojiPro. I took them to just be TPTB. Your interpretation does make sense, though. >The real world Powers That Be are just as untouchable to us as Yoji Shinkawa is to Snake and Otacon, and the real way to rebel against them is to live a decent life with the people in your immediate surroundings.
Now this I completely agree with. It's also what I've personally taken away from this series and one of the reasons I like it so much.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Big Boss series is MGS3
Yes MGS3 and that's all. Big Boss has one game.
9 months ago
Anonymous
No facts, only interpretations. 3 is a decent ending point too, it doesnt frick with 2's story and slides from post-modernism to meta-modernism, i.e. instead of mocking the structures and memes of modernity (represented by MGS1) like 2 did, MGS3 is very playful with the tropes of the series without twisting or altering them at all, showing it's just as valid to notice patterns in the world and still having as much fun as you want by embracing them.
No lie I hope this is what late zoomers/early Gen Alpha are gonna be like. Leaving behind the nihilism and subversion of the millennials and early zooms to just be kooky absurdist frickers that are aware of the world's bullshit but will be genuine in spirit enough to not mind. They'll be like boomers without the naivety, if they arent utterly mindbroken from the start.
With an attitude like that, I guess it's a good thing that I'll have children and you won't. You spare your bloodline the horror of existing during late stage capitalism and my children inherit the Earth. Everybody wins.
The notion that I am a slave for denying the powers that be what they want from me (misery) while you are content to sit on your hands and give them exactly what they want is laughable. Write me another poem.
Right on man. The "Calvin and Hobbes' Dad" method of societal upheaval. The survivor mindset. They are more afraid of the people who get really into gardening vegetables and having genuine connections with their neighbors than they are of people like Mr. Blackpill ITT. I remember being like that when I was a late teen/early 20 something though, I really do think its a stage of emotional development for the modern man and I'm happy MGS was there to help me figure this out, because at the time I was going through those feelings nobody around me seemed to understand it like Snake and the gang did.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah man, you're totally showing the system by growing potatoes in your backyard. At least I can admit that I'm not doing what it would actually take.
9 months ago
Anonymous
So why don't you have a nice day then? Not to be mean and I'm not saying you should, but if the world isn't going to get better and you refuse to better your own situation because it's so hopeless why continue to be their slave by existing?
We're saying it''s possible to be happy in this world anon, even in the darkest circumstances the human spirit can flourish. Im not even sure if our current state is the worst it's ever been.
Do you have any hobbies other than vidya? One that doesnt require any consumption of some corpo product.
Getting into music helped me. I used to write punk rock songs about how much I hated everything and the system and all and shredded my vocal cords until I felt better. They werent even good, but they didnt have to be. Maybe peruse yard sales for a secondhand guitar and amp, you'd never give a penny to the powers that be and maybe you'll meet somebody interesting and nice, and power chords can be learned in a literal afternoon.
Finding any kind of individualistic way to cope with these circumstances will improve how you feel about things. Turn off the internet for a week and find literally anything in the real, physical, world around you to care about. Make your world as small as it possibly can be before you give in.
>Even the Patriots are kind of an ongoing fiction >[...] >We need to pass the torch and let our children read our messy and sad history by its light >We have all the magic of the digital age to do that with >The human race will probably come to an end some time and a new species may rule the planet >Earth may not be forever >but its our responsibility to leave what traces of life we can >Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing
t. The game we're all talking about in the first place
9 months ago
Anonymous
>So why don't you have a nice day then?
Because it's not my fricking fault. >and you refuse to better your own situation
My situation isn't particularly bad. I really fricking hate this moronic progressivist rhetoric of suggesting that anyone who recognizes evil in society is somehow a total failure or otherwise just compensating for personal dissatisfaction. It probably stems from them never having had an authentic conviction even once in their lives. I'm glad you like music, but if getting a hobby you enjoy caused you to lose your convictions, they were never real, and it's not fair to generalize your experience to everyone else. Some people actually do believe in things.
I never said it's not possible to be happy, or that you should avoid it. I said it's foolish to pretend that living your best life is going to actually change or even resist the worst elements of those above us. There is and has only ever been one way to actually oppose tyranny, and that is violent force.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You know what? I'm not trying to change the world you fricking moron. I didn't lose my convictions, they evolved. I could not change the world so I changed myself.
I always despised mass consumerism and the way people turn brands into identity. I always hated the obesity epidemic and how much of our food is pure poison. I always loathed the medical industrial complex because for my entire life they've been destroying my entire home state with opioids.
After I quit watching it all and complaining about it I got over my disdain for consumerism by learning how to do DIY projects and buying everything secondhand, stopped feeling insecure about not keeping up with the joneses. I got over my issue with the disgusting modern diet by quitting my first job in fast food (so I no longer contributed to the issue) became vegetarian, started caring for my health, learned to grow and cook my own food. I stick a literal middle finger up to Big Pharma every single day because I lost part of my hand in an accident and I didnt do the easy thing: letting them put me into massive debt by getting fitted with a prosthetic and letting them prescribe me the pain pills that kill my friends and family. Instead I spent years building my own prosthetic and don't take any pills at all. I live in a working class area, a lot of locals have fricked up hands. I build them devices too under the table, which mean I have personally cost Big Pharma 10s of thousands of dollars without them even knowing. And yet you say I have no convictions, no real beliefs. Obviously you've never had to overcome real hardship in your pathetic life. And yet you think you're better than me because you do nothing but cry and piss and moan!?
Fine then. I'll tell you what you've been begging everyone in this thread to tell you then, you're nothing but A homosexual. A LOSER. A COWARD. AND YOU'RE PROUD OF IT.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I was gonna say sorry about your hand, then I read the rest of your post. And you know what? Frick you. Dipshit crippled yourself and then has the audacity to pretend that getting into crafts and singing is some profound revelation and not just finding something to do after the amputation. Wallowing in self pity so much you didn't even realized you looped completely around from claiming that I was just projecting personal dissatisfaction onto the whole world when I say that removal of the US government would be the only way to fix it, then saying I never knew any struggles if I considered distracting myself with hobbies inadequate for addressing societal ills, to calling me a loser again, all in the space of 2 posts. At least it's obvious why you're so hostile now. Because you know that deep down that turning vegetarian and shopping at goodwill doesn't change the fact that you now are and always will be dependent.
9 months ago
Anonymous
How are you this much of an armchair revolutionary and still not aware of the overwhelming monopoly on violence that the USA holds over not just its own soil but most of the planet? You talk a big game but don't really seem to grasp the gravity of the situation you are standing on your soapbox about. You hate yourself because you think of yourself as too much of a coward to do epic Minecraft PvP griefing compilations. You think Solid Snake should be solving these problems. You are not Solid Snake. None of us are.
You're a fricking homosexual, and you should have a nice day.
9 months ago
Anonymous
No state has ever had a monopoly of violence. The invulnerability of leadership is always illusory. Especially in a situation where the armed forces themselves are ideologically at odds with the administration, merely kept in line by fraudulent ideas of patriotism and legitimacy of a country beyond that of its state.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>The "Calvin and Hobbes' Dad" method of societal upheaval.
You flatter me! I remember being like him too. I'm sure he'll figure it out eventually, but I have encountered a pretty worrying amount of people like him who are in their thirties and forties on this website. >I really do think its a stage of emotional development for the modern man and I'm happy MGS was there to help me figure this out, because at the time I was going through those feelings nobody around me seemed to understand it like Snake and the gang did.
It found me at the right time too, in my teenage years. I'm happy to hear that you had the same experience.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>They are more afraid of the people who get really into gardening vegetables and having genuine connections with their neighbors
No, they are more afraid of people into gardening or farming who are conscious enough to demand for better rights and won't chicken out against companies dumping toxic waste near their workplace or similar.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>It goes hand in hand with the point escapism through media, we've all become obsessed with global politics and conspiracies due to the worldwide nature of the internet. For a lot of people this causes great distress and depression because it's increasingly obvious that everything is rigged and that it's all planned by these ultra-powerful elites on a scale never before seen in history. We find ourselves with this instinct to rebel or fight them somehow, but unfortunately a part of maturity is accepting the system that you live in and living well despite it. The real world Powers That Be are just as untouchable to us as Yoji Shinkawa is to Snake and Otacon, and the real way to rebel against them is to live a decent life with the people in your immediate surroundings.
Pretty good take anon.
>At the risk of throwing meaningless platitudes and gotchas at you, if revolution and sedition are necessary for the common man to live a fulfilling life and have dignity in this country, then why aren't you doing what you can to make those things happen instead of writing posts like this on the government's internet?
Because I am a coward. >Do you really think that people who do charitable works for their communities and try to lead by example are really doing their communities a disservice by not trying to lead an armed insurrection and start a civil war instead?
Yes
>Yes
Most people just want to make love, do a bit of drugs, play their video games or movies, have children. Almost no one cares about politics or wars or noble ideas to die for and those who do really don't have anything meaningful in their life and need to supplement it with FRICK TRUMP or FRICK BIDEN or BLM YEAH. What is your purpose, what gives you meaning? Shooting into other people? Eating chips while watching some simple slop?
>Snake's JP voice actor Akio Otsuka was estranged from his own father who was also a voice actor. By casting Chikao Otsuka as Big Boss, it forced them to talk for the first time in years as professionals in the same field showing gratitude and respect towards one another, while using Snake and Big Boss as their mouthpiece.
Fricking hell. I had no idea about this.
Not really but if you're trying to interact with someone who's a self-described huge Metal Gear fan and you initiate the conversation about it only to turn around and say your favorite game has nothing to do with what the series is actually about and has had a recent surge of people who know nothing about the series at all playing it just for the memes then I don't fault the girl at all for unmatching lol
I don't see why we're not allowed to both like MGS and Rising. Rising totally makes sense post-MGS4. It's got Kojima's seal of approval and it's canon and yes I fricking like it. It's not MGS though, the series name is Metal Gear for a reason. It encompasses more than the Solid titles.
>Rising totally makes sense post-MGS4
except the part where >MGS4 >Raiden gets back with Rose and his son as a family >Rising >He's alone again doing mercenary work as a psycho ninja
But yeah, forget the part where Rising started in the MGS4 engine as a simple spinoff for Raiden, it's the Platinum Games craaaaazy game that's canon!
If a girl said to me her favorite is MGS2 that alone would be a huge green flag and wife material. Imagine if she said it's because Raiden is cute. I would bash her skull in.
listen pal, you're mom's anus is so dial-eighted that the leaning tower of pisa could fit thru that b***h and she'd still have room left over for tyrese ya feel me.
>Ganker now hates Metal Gear: Risin because a couple of homosexual YouTubers made video essays about it
it's all so tiresome. is there anything you're even alowed to like on this shit board?
The whole series is cringe, anime-brained consoleshit for pseudo-intellectuals. You're all hopelessly autistic if you think any one of them is substantially worse than the others.
It's a good game, but hardly a Metal Gear game. It's like saying you love the Tomb Raider franchise and when asked which game is your favorite one is you say "Lara Croft and The Temple of Osiris".
>but hardly a Metal Gear game
well that's what a spin-off game just based on the same universe than main franchise, anon, they even put "Lightning Bolt Action" instead of the usual "Stealth Espionage Action" the game never tried to be a main metal gear game, just something else based on the metal gear universe
Kinda. It made everything you do in MGS4 pointless hence why people say it's non canon. Kojima himself didn't comment on it, he didn't care about its canon status
MGS 4 ended with Drebin saying it's not sunshine and rainbows, people will take quite sometime to rebuild their society but rising has them starting a new war altogether
It also doesn't help that the original rising was supposed to be about Raiden rescuing Sunny, a plot point that was basically ignored
That's completely false.
MGS4 connected the dots throughout all the games. the only thing that was redeemed pointless are the Patriots members which turned into the philosophers I think
MGR didn't salvage anything, it might as well be its own thing
> That's completely false.
MGS4 connected the dots throughout all the games.
Yeah and it made everything worse. Also how about Raiden’s character? Am I really supposed to believe that Raiden is suddenly gonna live a peaceful life NOW when he relapsed last time? If they wanted to cave into the morons who got mad about Snake and make him a cyborg, they could’ve done it in a way that doesn’t shit on his character.
giving him a happy ending is shitting on his character? Raiden was sacrificing himself in MGS4, saved snake numerous times and almost died in the process
He truly didn't want to live yet Snake insisted that he should.
>MGS2 >Raiden goes to have a happy ending with Rose, following Snake's advice >MGS4 >Raiden has PTSD relapses >Rose lies and says their child died >Rose pretends to cuck Raiden >Raiden gets experimented on and turned into a cyborg >Raiden continually tries to find some way to kill himself as the game goes on >Rose comes in at the end and goes "lol jk" >somehow, all of this traumatic bullshit on top of all of the other traumatic bullshit from post-MGS2 magically disappears and THIS time things are just better because... they just are, okay?! >this is the happy ending Anon thinks is good for his character
He already HAD a happy ending in MGS2. MGS4 just completely shat on that by having him relapse because “le snake fans are angry.” It’s kinda hard to believe his “happy ending” in 4 was gonna work out when he already fricked it up the last time he was given an opportunity.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Was it truly a happy ending if Sunny was still out there?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah but Snake already said he was gonna take care of that so it isn’t like they were just gonna frick off and not do anything
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I remember. I stand corrected then, Raiden ending in MGS4 is hamfisted
>It made everything you do in MGS4 pointless >but rising has them starting a new war altogether
I don't get this argument, you think wars are gonna stop just because the AI aren't around to manipulate people into starting one? Don't be moronic
>MGS4 bullshitting a "And then everyone was happy forever. The End." ending makes more sense than people continuing to do what they know, especially when they know it's profitable
>Kojima himself didn't comment on it, he didn't care about its canon status
He did comment on it though. He said this: >So that said, as far as the settings concerned it takes place after Metal Gear Solid 4, so in that sense it is a continuation of the saga, a continuation of the story after Metal Gear Solid 4, but as you know this time we're working with Platinum Games and it's being developed outside of the studio, so it's a little bit different from the story I had in mind for what would happen after Metal Gear Solid 4, it's kind of Platinum Games interpretation of the story and interpretation of the Metal Gear world, so in that sense you could say it's sort of a parallel story, at the same time as well as being a continuation. It's Platinum's take on the Metal Gear universe.
Metal Gear Rising is peak funslop. not particularly impressive as a game but it has a kick ass tone and soundtrack. you suffer throught the mediocre gameplay to get to the next epic needle drop boss fight.
It's an alright game but it's overrated with zoomers now for some reason.
While the action is more bold, it doesn't have the weight it had in beta Metal Gear Rising trailer, or playing as Raiden in MGO2.
It really feels like you are swinging a paper sword, mindlessly just mashing parry, attack, and nothing else.
It's not a bad game at all, and I think it was rated pretty fairly when it came out, but now thanks to Youtube "video essayist" indulging in nostalgia, and it's zoomer fans gobbling their gospel.
The game is now elevated as some kind of legend, eventhough it's nothing but an alright joke spin-off.
I can't really comment too much on Metal Gear Rising, it was a really hard game, a little too hard for even me! (I know that's hard to believe.) I had to play it on easy so that I could get through the first few levels, but eventually I got stuck at monsoon! How do you beat himmmm!?!?!?
As a longtime MGS SUPER fan, I think Metal Gear Rising is stupid.
I remember when some speedrunner cut perfect splits of his run together into a WR and then streamed it on AGDQ or some other speedrunning event while pretending to be playing the run.
Nah, Konami and Kojima's little b***hfest doomed the series harder than a DMC spinoff ever could have. If anything the latter was breathing MG spirit back into the series in its own way, memes aside, and to this day people still debate whether the villain was right or wrong.
But I agree
MGR killed the rep for this series when everyone and their memes started coming after this game pretending it's the only good MG game and even thinking it's mainline and Snake is that guy from Brawl
Good, imagine a game with like 6+ games revolving around stealth and your favorite one is the hack and slasher spin-off one. Easy tell this gay is a bandwagoning homo
because mgs was never a stealth game lmfao
it might be advertised as such, but in reality near zero people played it that way. the sneaked marginally and murdered or tranq'd everyone. every fricking boss fight had zero stealth, throwing grenades at morons in tanks, fist fighting on giant robots, using swords and missiles on 100 giant robots.
"oh but i sneaked past 2 guys in a hallway" yeah and everyone else just killed them, shut the frick up the games were always revengence tier, just without the good combat system made for it and banging non stop ost. they had more exploration than revengence is their positive, instead of a very narrow short line into a set piece fight over and over again, the scope was wider.
Yes, obsessing over trannies in Twatter screenshot threads is very based. Why actually discuss anything when you can just rehash the same old buzzwords and talking points in low effort bait threads that get reposted 3-5 times a day.
No. I skipped all the cutscenes so it doesn't have a moronic story to me, just a high speed Black person stupid up close cutting system you need to do for everything to upgrade your asiatic self. It's shit but right before the end area it looks good, where you are outside that white walled area.
It's shit, but mg is all shit really. It didn't ruin anything not already in the toilet because of that israeli c**t kojima and his crew of deaf axolotyl.
MGS is one of those series where despite appreciating the cool mechanical stuff in the games, they are so stupid that I distance myself from them in conversation because I don't want to be one of "those" gamers. They are embarrassingly dumb.
This isn't fake. Ganker won't believe me but I'm also a girl who feels very strongly about mgs. i dont think its uncommon. I would also unmatch anyone who says PW is his favorite
it's certainly better than 4 in every way imaginable, has better story than 5 and OST on par with 1, 2 and 3. level design is shitty and it's the only thing revengeance lacked to be considered god tier like dmc 3. even combat doesn't ever reach peaks of sekiro. I'd never put mgrr into my top3 metal gears but I understand where the love comes from action fans.
I still think Metal Gear Rising narratively is a fine if not great addition to the setting and was conceptually more Metal Gear than Kojimbo's last Metal Gear game, stealth aside, it just went to the most extreme logical conclusion which is perfectly reasonable for a spin-off.
Plus the use of cyborgs/technological augmentation as an allegory for post-war living was neat.
I can't say I really agree that it's more of a Metal Gear Solid game than MGSV, but I do agree that it is genuinely no slouch as far as the story was concerned and makes sense as a continuation of MGS4. They didn't even skimp on the codec calls in Revengeance.
>bought this game on a Steam sale >never played it
Why am I like this?
Play it sometime, it's pretty fun. It's not my favorite Platinum game, but it's good and has all the Raiden you could possibly ask for. You'll figure out pretty quickly whether or not you're down to play the entire game.
MGSV goes too hard on specifically the magical realism and not enough on the metapolitical. What worked in MGS1 to Peace Walker was witnessing the formation and accelerative nature of the military industrial complex as it went from overly ambitious humans to literal soulless machines that scrambled for their survival against people who were so thoroughly broken by it trying to stop them.
MGR follows that premise and shows an amusing and extreme aftermath, a man enabled by the Patriots' existence taking advantage of the decisions made by those who stopped them before to repeat the past but for his own personal advantage - demonstrated even literally with his whole "Nanomachines" gimmick.
All MGSV does with it is just reiterate that Big Boss became a very fundamentally warped person but ultimately feels tangential at times in favor of all the surrealist imagery and magic vocal parasites.
Skull face's dumb plan was rooted in a very political concept, namely that the assumptions embedded in the logic of language affects the way people who speak that language think about things and make decisions, which grants a form of cultural control. This is muddled by the fact that many languages like french, spanish, italian and german are fundamentally very similar to english in this regard, and more importantly, by the fact that skull face is a schizo moron and so obviously iredeemably evil that none of his points could hope to resonate.
The real story of MGS5 is about the nature of hero worship and how we can delude ourselves into thinking that our irrelevant or even destructive actions are heroic through mental recontextualization into narratives based on what we'd like to be true rather than what actually is. Huey is the most obvious example, but it really applies to everyone at mother base, including "big boss", who is actually just you, the player. There is a metafictional element at play, seemingly born out of frustration with people who saw big boss as an anti-hero rather than a villain. "You want to be Big Boss huh? Well this is what that leads to".
I hear you, but I actually liked that about MGSV. I can completely understand why a lot of people didn’t. It still felt decidedly like a Metal Gear Solid game to me.
The mainline, numbered MGS games all feel like Verhoeven movies to me while MGR feels like a Kershner movie, if that makes sense.
>empty open world >lack of indoor environments >lack of bosses >same missions recycled over and over >everything interesting already happened and is told instead of shown >remember MGS3? well I was actually there picking your shits and bodies you left so prevent the nuclear war
The only good part was when Skullcuck was telling his life story and threats about VOLBACHIA to a literal puppet of Big Boss, thinking it's Big Boss himself. Imagine him practicing the speech for 20 years in front of a mirror only to be cucked by a literal husk of a person.
Both Skullface and Venom were phantoms
Skullface of Zero
Venom of Big Boss
My biggest gripe however (adding to yours) is
What the frick was the deal with Volgin/The Man on Fire? I get he's supposed to be the personification of his hatred and feelings of revenge towards Big Boss and he's supposed to be an analogy for Venom and Skull Face, but he played such a minor role that it's hard to see it as anything less than just a cameo to get MGS3 fans interested from the trailers.
Also, The Third Child is stupid, everything about him
I honestly liked the game anon; I dunno what to tell you. I didn't care much for PO or PW but really liked most of the missions in MGSV and thought the level design and sneaking was great. I did all the side-ops too, and that's when I listened to most of the cassette tapes. The boss fights were the weakest part of the game, unfortunately.
I'm glad you can at least appreciate the goofy Jeep ride. That shit was so funny.
>ridiculous over the top story and scenes >crazy characters >gameplay is mediocre
in what way is this not a metal gear game? mgsv is less of a metal gear game because the gameplay in v was fun as frick
>Is Revengeance a cringe game
Yes, but it's the campy kind of cringe that's actually good and entertaining >that ruined the Metal Gear game?
Nothing to ruin there, it was always shit
I recently matched with a girl who is a New Vegas fan and we really hit it off in chat but now post nut clarity has hit and I don't really think I have the time or energy for a gf.
Metal Gear Rising is a good game, it's more of a babby's first action game, but it's still pretty fun. It's a Metal Gear game in name only, so I don't know why people still acknowledge its' significance in the MG franchise and timeline. You don't see actual Rainbow Six fans associate Siege with titles like Vegas and such because it's an Esportsgay title that has gone past Rainbow Six, kind of like MGR has gone past Metal Gear by going full-on DMC ripoff action.
>Kojima himself didn't comment on it, he didn't care about its canon status
He did comment on it though. He said this: >So that said, as far as the settings concerned it takes place after Metal Gear Solid 4, so in that sense it is a continuation of the saga, a continuation of the story after Metal Gear Solid 4, but as you know this time we're working with Platinum Games and it's being developed outside of the studio, so it's a little bit different from the story I had in mind for what would happen after Metal Gear Solid 4, it's kind of Platinum Games interpretation of the story and interpretation of the Metal Gear world, so in that sense you could say it's sort of a parallel story, at the same time as well as being a continuation. It's Platinum's take on the Metal Gear universe.
Metal Gear has been bottom of the barrel garbage since 4 with 4 being already half garbage and 3 being "ugh something does not taste right". Rising is the only good thing to come out of that franchise in decades. That being said it's stupid to call it a "Metal Gear game", it's just a spinoff. I don't view rising as the continuation of the 4 canon, i view it like a tongue and cheek parody of that canon. It's just a fun action game in a cool Metal Gear package.
I played MGS3 at release so it was when i was a huge MGS fanboy. As such i was incapable of admitting these same issues i have with it now but even back then i could never shake the feeling something was off. MGS1 and 2 were like life changing experiences for me, 3 just felt like a "good?" game.
I'll start with the easiest thing: Solid Snake is the best, coolest vidya character ever made. When they announced 3 was gonna be about Big Boss i was really exited but what we ended up getting was just Solid Snake if he was written to be a fricking autist by another autist. I just can't love this character and that goes for most of the characters in this game. The Boss? Her whole philosophy is fricking nonsense and unsympathetic, "just be a mindless attack dog for your master bro". Her actions are only redeemable and understandable because they prevent a nuclear war but that doesn't change the fact you listen to her wax poetic about being a pawn. Honestly the most human character in the entire cast ended up being EVA. Oh and Ocelot is good but that goes without saying.
The main bads are all generic mooks with no story. In MGS2 you call someone to find out where to go and you learn that the Vampire guy is actually a gay and was sucking off the father of the chick he's supposed to be banging now, In MGS3 the guy that can turn invisible "because" has a long tongue and can bend his arms backwards. Riveting, engaging stuff.
I played MGS3 at release so it was when i was a huge MGS fanboy. As such i was incapable of admitting these same issues i have with it now but even back then i could never shake the feeling something was off. MGS1 and 2 were like life changing experiences for me, 3 just felt like a "good?" game.
I'll start with the easiest thing: Solid Snake is the best, coolest vidya character ever made. When they announced 3 was gonna be about Big Boss i was really exited but what we ended up getting was just Solid Snake if he was written to be a fricking autist by another autist. I just can't love this character and that goes for most of the characters in this game. The Boss? Her whole philosophy is fricking nonsense and unsympathetic, "just be a mindless attack dog for your master bro". Her actions are only redeemable and understandable because they prevent a nuclear war but that doesn't change the fact you listen to her wax poetic about being a pawn. Honestly the most human character in the entire cast ended up being EVA. Oh and Ocelot is good but that goes without saying.
The main bads are all generic mooks with no story. In MGS2 you call someone to find out where to go and you learn that the Vampire guy is actually a gay and was sucking off the father of the chick he's supposed to be banging now, In MGS3 the guy that can turn invisible "because" has a long tongue and can bend his arms backwards. Riveting, engaging stuff.
Most of my issues are actually with the game itself, not the story. I feel it's MASSIVE downgrade from 2. Well first of all the tranq gun is still there and still broken and bypassing half of the games mechanics so that's "great". it dawned on me some years back that every single mechanic introduced in MGS3 was either a resounding gimmick failure or a mediocre gimmick. All feel half implemented, all feel like good concept implemented in the worst way. Camouflage? It's flow breaking menu fumbling with game breaking properties. Medicine? It's just flow breaking menu fumbling with frick all meaning. Use medical tools in what ever order you want, does not matter lol. Use the wrong tools, does not matter lol. Don't use tools at all, you will heal by yourself and even gain more max health lmao. Survival? Oh you better believe it's pace breaking menu fumbling with no meaning. Kill every pokemon you see to turn it into sardine cans. Eat a sardine can when you need diazepam or you get annoyed with the constant stomach noise. Eat something poisonous? East something rotten? Who cares, it does smoking cigarette damage. The only animal that ever poses a threat are crocodiles in water, a one area gimmick. Ammo is everywhere even on extreme but at least on that difficulty you actually have to get silencers from enemies.
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Most of my issues are actually with the game itself, not the story. I feel it's MASSIVE downgrade from 2. Well first of all the tranq gun is still there and still broken and bypassing half of the games mechanics so that's "great". it dawned on me some years back that every single mechanic introduced in MGS3 was either a resounding gimmick failure or a mediocre gimmick. All feel half implemented, all feel like good concept implemented in the worst way. Camouflage? It's flow breaking menu fumbling with game breaking properties. Medicine? It's just flow breaking menu fumbling with frick all meaning. Use medical tools in what ever order you want, does not matter lol. Use the wrong tools, does not matter lol. Don't use tools at all, you will heal by yourself and even gain more max health lmao. Survival? Oh you better believe it's pace breaking menu fumbling with no meaning. Kill every pokemon you see to turn it into sardine cans. Eat a sardine can when you need diazepam or you get annoyed with the constant stomach noise. Eat something poisonous? East something rotten? Who cares, it does smoking cigarette damage. The only animal that ever poses a threat are crocodiles in water, a one area gimmick. Ammo is everywhere even on extreme but at least on that difficulty you actually have to get silencers from enemies.
Speaking of extreme and enemies, the enemy AI, design and combat mechanics have been so dumbed down from 2 it's hard to believe. In 2 enemies are laser accurate, every shot you take puts you in a stun animation, enemies that respond to alert routinely carry ballistic shields and shotguns, they have bullet proof vests, try to grab one from the front they duck your grab and counter you, etc. In MGS3 getting int a fight is a mild inconvenience. Put on the right suit and enemies can't even hit you half the time, only "grave wounds" stun you, special weapon enemies are single area only gimmick if ever, 90% of the enemies are just the same AK mooks. Even on extreme you take pathetic amounts of damage. MGS2 on extreme unironically feels like a "manage resources and survive" game, MGS3 is the opposite.
Anyway, the list goes on, MGS3 was a game that added lie double the mechanics while somehow dumbing everything down.
All solid points. I tried it the month it released, but I admittedly rented it as my introduction to the series and then immediately sought out the first two games to play the series in order. I didn't have to wait with bated breath for MGS2 or 3.
I certainly don't think it reaches the same heights that MGS2 did either, but I still love it a lot and can't say that the admittedly excessive menu-ing really took me out of the game much. I also actually liked that Naked Snake was just Solid Snake in a Halloween costume and liked the rest of the cast a lot. I liked that the Cobras were cartoonish "monster of the week" villains, but I just love campy shit like that in general.
I don't disagree, though, that Extreme isn't quite as extreme as one would think with regards to survival and also dislike how Naked Snake just shrugs off most bullets. Thanks for the essay bro, genuinely.
Oh and the "codec" fricking sucked. Once again EVA is the only good contact. Major Zero rarely has anything interesting to say even though he should be the most interesting character, Sigint is whatever even for "the weapons guy" role, nowhere near as good as Natasha, Snake or even Otacon and finally but definitely not least "movies and eating XD" is just a meme with the worst voice acting in the game. Actually the codec script and line reading can feel very stilted at times, vaguely engrish vibes. Poor voice directing i think. Sure the codec has standout moments but the codec in 1 and 2 had NO dull or awkward moments, they were gold. Take the stuff between Rose and Jack, something underages (me included at the time) memed into being bad. It's some of the best writing and acting in the series.
To be clear, i don't hate MGS3. MGS3 is a good game, the final entry of "good MGS games" trilogy but i can't say i love it either. Out of all the games it's the only one that depreciated in value with the passage of time for me. Games like 4 even went up in value (slightly) with time for me even though 4 is the game that i hated so much it broke my fanboy spell. 3 is still a much better game than 4.
No, thank you for reading my ramblings anon. They could have been much better written and expanded instead of so b***hy but i don't have the patience.
Oh and the "codec" fricking sucked. Once again EVA is the only good contact. Major Zero rarely has anything interesting to say even though he should be the most interesting character, Sigint is whatever even for "the weapons guy" role, nowhere near as good as Natasha, Snake or even Otacon and finally but definitely not least "movies and eating XD" is just a meme with the worst voice acting in the game. Actually the codec script and line reading can feel very stilted at times, vaguely engrish vibes. Poor voice directing i think. Sure the codec has standout moments but the codec in 1 and 2 had NO dull or awkward moments, they were gold. Take the stuff between Rose and Jack, something underages (me included at the time) memed into being bad. It's some of the best writing and acting in the series.
it's a shallow but fun action game mostly celebrated for it's music and boss fights
zoomers discovered it and started making tiktok memes and now it's overhated
Nah it's just overrated in terms of gameplay.
Can't hold a candle to all the actual heavy hitters of the action game genre like DMC and Ninja Gaiden but it sure as frick makes up for it with flair and presentation soul.
Why though? MGR actually made the effort to continue Raiden's storyline instead of just making him a mopey whiny little b***h reciting bad pottery like in MGS4. MGR was a better sequel to MGS2 than MGS4 in just about every way.
Half the time they are asleep. When they are awake they literally have less proficiency at detecting you then the human mooks. When you kill them their body disappears so lol gg. When they agro you can literally outrun them even though you should not be able to. When they attack they just knock you down for pitiful damage and wait for you to get back up and fully recover.
What is the point? How are the wolves in MGS1 more of a threat then the dogs in MGS3?
Revengeance is a good game but it's story is kind of a dimestore retread of MGS2 and MGS4. Very fun gameplay and music (but you can't take it seriously). It's mostly only popular because of contrarians who want to think they're smart for agreeing with bootleg Solidus, I mean Armstrong
no, mgr is a classic masterpiece that started a cult and meme revolution. kojimba fan boys just salty the best metal gear game has nothing to do with kojimba himself and actually carries a thoughtful social-political commentary, unlike post-ironic insecure kojima's writing. the sheer amount of replies each mgr thread gets just confirms it
No. moronic incel. I would bash your pupis in with a rock if you were in front of me.
what the frick is a pupis
You'll quickly find out after I turn yours into a bloody pulp.
Try opening a dictionary instead fatass
pupis deez nuts
Yes
moronic troon
>rocks
lol homosexual, i would crush yours with my bare hands
Spare the man's pupis, please.
>the girl is the one with good taste
yeah right
you can tell she was one ugly mf
Revengeance and V ruined MGS by adding gameplay
>Revengeance
>gameplay
uh
>i got raped by monsoon
Alright
the game is too easy the second you learn how to block. There's not a single hard fight in the entire game. It's a bit moronic but once you learn how to do it you're practically invincible, not to mention how forgiving it is with how long you can stay in the block stance with no repercussions.
>It's a bit moronic but once you learn how to do it you're practically invincible
>"once you learn how to play the game, the way its intended, you become invincible"
it takes 2 minutes to "learn the game" during the first bossfight. Once you "learn the game", it becomes so braindead easy that it borders on boring. Having a "win" button with no repercussions isn't a good mechanic you snarky moron and i already said why it makes it too easy
I learned how to block and Armstrong filtered me hard. Maybe I actually didn't learned how to block.
You can trivialize Armstrong-- and the gorilla bois, for that matter-- with the Defensive Offense move. Hold any direction and press regular attack button + jump button at the same time. It dodges everything and gives you i-frames, while also doing a slash. It's like God Hand's dodging but it also does damage. It evades "Yellow" attacks (where the enemy glows yellow instead of red; these are un-parry-able and usually Grab moves) which can make the Metal Gear Excelsus fight hilarious at times.
i'm a massive shitter in most games but even i was able to beat armstrong without getting hit once
There's pretending to be moronic and there's what you are doing.
Yeah, that’s kind of what happens when you have dogshit gameplay like Revengence
The series always had gameplay
Revengeance is an okay action game, and that's fine because it's not trying to be anything more than that
V is a terrible game in all respects that somehow is equally up its own ass in both gameplay and story
nah they're both a lot of fun
Funny how the 2 best games of the franchise are the ones where Video Kojimbo wasn't allowed to go sicko mode and got tard wrangled.
I really liked the QTEs in Revengence. They really make you “feel like a badass”
>like some stupid homosexual spinoff made for 12 year olds
>be moronic enough to call yourself a fan of the series
>surprised when a real fan thinks you’re a homosexual moron
Shocker
>NOOO YOU CANT JUST LIKE THIS GAME BECAUSE....YOU JUST CANT OK?!?!?!
Yakuza, Metal Gear (rising especially), and DMC are like the holy trinity for 18-25 sexless terminally online white males who don’t actually play games just scroll twitter/Ganker/groomercord/youtube all day
>terminally online males who don’t actually play games just scroll twitter/Ganker/groomercord/youtube all day
(You), that is
>white
Amerimutt spotted
Metal Gear Rising is the only good game in the series. MGS is for lonely morons crawling around of the floor like the babies they are.
>Ganker suddenly hates MGR
What happened!?
But seriously it's unironically one of the best metal gear games and only "stealth" homosexuals that can't into action games or ninja gaiden homosexuals upset it doesn't have a million xxxx yyyyx xyxyx xyxxxy yyxyxyx combos hate it.
I like the music but I think the game is obnoxious to play outside of boss battles
It got popular with zoomers so it's le bad
People know it exists so it's shit now
stealth is a high IQ genre, action games like Revengance are for people who eat paint chips
>mgs pac man stealth
>high iq
no
Contrarianism.
I don't remember Ganker being filled with bullied hipsters that immediately hate anything that's popular.
>What happened!?
It got a resurgence so contrarianism kicked in.
Revengeance is funny in that it was hated when it first came out then liked and now it’s hated again because normies like it.
In reality it’s basically the only Metal Gear game worth playing because it’s a parody of how moronic the franchise is while simultaneously managing to fit the lore pretty well.
>hated when it first came out
lol no
it was championed here because it was put up next to the dogshit DmC reboot
I was about to say, it was immediately a hit here from what I remember.
>muh action, stealth bad
Except for those fricking shitty stealth sections that Revengeance makes you do
Name one forced stealth section
MGRR is a great game, but it’s in a very meme position right now. It’s has that “Persona 5” status in which people say they’re huge Persona fans and only played 5. I wouldn’t be surprised if some people who are MGRR fans never even play it.
Because the game got big and mainstream with internet memes causing to go big with redditors and Ganker now considers it a reddit game
It was always fricking mainstream. It just got discovered by a younger generation that never played it at release.
Zoomers are the most moronic generation
WHAT THE FRICK DID I JUST READ?
Some troony's Twitter meltdown.
LOL random humor, the sort that was popular in the 00s.
Megaman STILL remains untainted from secondaries and trannies I see.
What are some other secondary-proof games?
Pic related and like 99% of point n clicks count
Turok, Tenchu, and Klonoa come to mind. MAYBE Ninja Gaiden, siphon filter, and splinter cell.
Turn-based roguelikes and Dwarf Fortress come to mind.
>literally troony approved game is somehow secondary filter.
do you not remember the steam release? how is DF secondary proof?`
because no one cares about a dead franchise
Yeah well better to have it die out than pander to secondaries and E-Celebs like Yakuza ended up doing.
you haven't seen millenials then cuck
Weird. I always saw MGR as Ganker's favorite child. Like, it's the one game this board would always cherish.
This, MGR is the sole reason why Ganker fricking CELEBRATES 9/11
I always hated it
frick dmc refugees
its good but as with all things reddit exaggerates how good it was, and now its overrated. Also memes it spawned are annoying as shit, echoing lines in the games isn't funny, and it's the same reason why people hate jojo fans.
this, and also people trying to pass it's "message" as something sociopolitical on the same level as mainline MGS games, when in reality, it's all just justification for you to slice some dudes in half
Same thing that happened to JoJo. Unfunny memelord secondaries found out about it and think spamming song lyrics and quotes from the game is the pinnacle of comedy.
It got popular with zoomers, 90% of Ganker doesn't have a taste in videogames (I don't mean they have bad taste, I mean they literally have none, tabula rasa) and just chose what games they like off of contrarianism.
It became the only Metal Gear game people know about, while not even playing said game in the first place.
its popular so Gankereddit hates it now, despite it carrying on the series themes far better than V did
pure fricking kino
Rising is fun but it has a lot of issues.
Platinum should have had more time to flesh it out.
zoomers when they find out there's a cult classic from their childhood they never played they begin to lash out
>MGR
>cult classic
MGR is literally the only good game in the entire franchise.
Aw sweet, a "hipster" thread
The fate of Metal Gear was sealed by the expense of the Fox Engine. Revengeance was a relatively cheap genre change spinoff, akin to Ac!d, just on console.
>the expense of Fox Engine
Ganker has been talking about budgets regarding MGSV for 10 years and has yet to give a specific number.
I swear Metal Geargays in Ganker are the most autistic morons in this board to this day, even with all the social media gossiping zoomers.
V had a budget of $80M and had an engine made for it, with Konami's desire to get more return on that engine leading to Grind Zeroes and Survive. It was, to Konami decision makers, expensive.
Those people are idiots, Bioshock Infinite was made on a licensed engine and it cost 150 million.
And it's inferior to 1 and 2
>Bioshock Infinite was made on a licensed engine and it cost 150 million
Really? Where the frick did all the money go? Music licensing?
Wife material
No but MGS4 is. Ever since Kojima received death threats to his wife and son to continue working on MGS it was over. He really outdid himself with "you rearry want Metar Gear Sorid from me?" and just nosedived the franchise into asbolute pit of awful disfanservice.
I'd do the same honestly. Imagine having a homosexual deviantart tier fanbase of giant manchildren like that threatening your family because you didn't want to direct a video game. I would've honestly gone further with 4 and had the final boss fight cut out after a minute of gameplay and superimposed a giant "frick you" on the screen.
But Kojima does invite a lot of that criticism. If you're presenting yourself as this auteur director with your name front and center all the time people are gonna treat you as such. *Of course* people are gonna want *the* Kojima to direct the final conclusion to the MGS series, the same way they would've been upset if JK Rowling hadn't written the last Harry Potter book, or David Lynch hadn't directed The Return, or Tolkien hadn't written The Return of the King. You can't expect fans back in the day to understand the subtext of what Kojima was trying to do with passing the IP on to his team, because not even people in the future understood it until it was said in interviews, watched in making-of documentaries and the like. From a normal player pov, how is it weird to wonder "Who is this guy? How can Kojima not come back to direct the final MGS game?". He put himself in that spot. You don't see people praising the likes of Patrice Désilets or Raphaël Colantonio because they never plastered their names all over the screen every time you played one of their games. Kojima did.
>But Kojima does invite a lot of that criticism. If you're presenting yourself as this auteur director with your name front and center all the time people are gonna treat you as such.
>From a normal player pov, how is it weird to wonder "Who is this guy? How can Kojima not come back to direct the final MGS game?". He put himself in that spot.
"I will murder your wife and your son if you won't direct the next MGS." Yeah, no. MGS4 wasn't supposed to exist anyway, not as a continuation of MGS2. MGS2 was where the story ended, that's why MGS3 was a prequel. It wasn't supposed to be called MGS3 either but here we are.
>it's the "le death threats" excuse all over again
I'm sure Abby's VA also received "le death threats" for TLoU2, right? MGS2 sold 7 million copies, MGS3 6.2 million. Some very specific, very moronic Japanese stalkers sending a couple letters in the mid-2000s doesn't somehow involve the millions of fans of the franchise all wishing Kojimbo dead, and still your post didn't actually address my point.
MGS4 introduced just about everything people ree about in Revengeance so I don't know why people give it a pass.
It's similar to the complaint people had about Twin Snakes, where the addition of goofiness like rocket surfing and ninja-flipping over a doorframe didn't seem to fit the gravity they were trying to push elsewhere in the story. MGS4 constantly gave you whiplash, like seeing someone make a death speech and commit suicide, then five minutes later having Mount Snakemore rise out of the Arctic Ocean. Revengeance on the other hand, feels like the right genre for that kind of batshit stuff.
>serious scene of Sniper Wolf dying
>preceded by Snake 360 no scoping her
>Otacon tripping over himself and pissing his pants during the actual death
>kojima was forced to work on 4 because of death threats
>kojima also made 4 intentionally shitty and weird because he resented working on it
Doesn't sound like he was taking those threats very seriously. Like maybe he's just a bit of a weird guy who has a long history of taking his franchise in strange directions.
>makes 3 great games
>makes a game that very meticulously brings every interesting thing from the previous 3 games and makes it retroactively infinitely worse in a very specific way
Yeah I bet it was because the Yakuza killed Tomokazu Fukushima that Kojimbo lost his plot.
>make three great games, that have loads of weird shit and also retcons for every previous game
Kojima put a dead guy possessing another dude through his hand transplant in 2 and then in 3 tentatively justified it happening because his dad was a ghost. Anyone who expected the big wrap up to all this to be sane and satisfying was a moron.
>Kojima put a dead guy possessing another dude through his hand transplant in 2
We see only VR recreation of it as part of Raiden's training so it's probably not real.
You mean the dudes making a VR sim for raiden were all like "lmao make his hand have a ghost in it, that'll really frick him up"?
It's more about having unexpected and crazy scenarios and observing your special operatives whether they can handle it on the fly or not. Things like Vamp wouldn't even be the craziest things in VR. The original missions had huge godzilla soldiers as part of the training.
But we don't. You're not one of those "the Tanker you play is Raiden's VR" theory morons? And even if you are, you do realize Liquid speaks again at the very end of the game in Arsenal right?
You see this is why I have such a hard time believe this death threat narrative.
>Literally the Vice President of Konami at the time
>I’m supposed to believe that Kojima, a guy who made a shit ton of money, chose to cave into death threats instead of buying better security
>Even if death threats weren’t the problem, he still had more than enough sway to not work on it.
People who use the death threat narrative either don’t wanna admit or realize that Kojima just wanted to leverage for a higher paycheck.
He didn't work on MGS4 initially and came back to codirect it only after huge outcry and death threats. It really looks like an inside job. He was already rich and wanted to make something new.
Everyone in media is constantly recieving death threats
MGS 4 is a perfect conclusion though
MGS4 completely ruined the primary themes of the first three games, that war was primarily an instrument by which entrenched institutions gamble for power, and that anyone who thinks they're fighting for ideology or the future is a sucker and a pawn, by having every problem in the world lead back to like 5 or 6 guys and their mega submarine.
You are acting as if the concept of having one baddie who's in control of everything is a new thing. Wasn't it Liquid who was threatening the world with his own Metal Gear? or Solidus who was challenging the Patriots? only MGS3 is close to what you are describing
In both MGS1 and 2, it's made clear that the conflicts being played out were only the symptoms of much deeper societal ills and that ultimately your victory is tainted by the fact that it served the interests of those truly at fault. Liquid and Solid, Solidus and Raiden, were all products of the US military industrial conflict. Solid was deployed to shadow moses because they'd prefer not to have to use a nuke, but it was always an option. They didn't take the big shell incident seriously at all, instead using it as an opportunity to study the fruits of their labor. MGS3 didn' create these ideas, it merely wove them more elegantly into the protagonists personal struggle.
And the sad thing is we can see it now in real time with how the propaganda about Ukraine-Russia is going on and the funding for it. If the military industrial complex wanted Ukraine to win, they would supply much more but as of now the supply is just exactly right to prolong the conflict as long as possible while balancing the fact Ukraine could become a military power and using all channels of propaganda to confuse everyone.
>disfanservice
fandisservice, anon
implying there was anything left to ruin
no, MGS4 did that on its own, nobody that wasn't a 300lb neckbeard thought MGR was anything other than a spinoff
i will say that the ending of MGS4 was great, no debate on that
>i will say that the ending of MGS4 was great
>you are 0 but you are actually 1 but now you return to 0
that's not the ending im talking about and you know it
Which ending are you talking about then? When Ocelot was pretending to be Liquid that is pretending to be Ocelot who is losing control and becoming Liquid?
>When Ocelot was pretending to be Liquid that is pretending to be Ocelot who is losing control and becoming Liquid?
yes, if you didn't think that was the best moment of the entire game then you have 0 taste
that and Big Boss deathbed speech
Well you like MGS4 so you have 1 taste.
Lot of people don’t wanna admit it but if MGS4 came out today it would be hated just as much as things like The Last Jedi. Only reason people these days give it a pass is cause of nostalgia.
MGS4 actually has good gameplay though
It has like an hour of good gameplay
When you actually get to play, yes.
>i will say that the ending of MGS4 was great
Yeah, I also liked the part where Rose revealed she was merely pretending she cucked Raiden into almost committing suicide and her baby didn't miscarriage, so now they can have the ending of MGS2 for realsies this time and Raiden being turned into a killer robot definitely won't get in the way of this.
I don't know if I like taking the events on screen literally or if I prefer to imagine meeting Big Boss is Snake crossing into the afterlife after shooting himself. Otacon seemed certain that Snake had died or else he probably wouldve told Sunny "Snake is very sick but he needs us and we should be there for him while we can"
The meta aspect is something nobody can pick up on from the English dub but reconciling with Big Boss wraps the underlining theme of the entire story from the very beginning in a perfect bow. Kojima admits to having father problems during his childhood which inspired the relationship between Solid Snake and Big Boss. There's a lot of existential anxiety in Metal Gear about living up to your father's legacy and being afraid of being like him.
Snake's JP voice actor Akio Otsuka was estranged from his own father who was also a voice actor. By casting Chikao Otsuka as Big Boss, it forced them to talk for the first time in years as professionals in the same field showing gratitude and respect towards one another, while using Snake and Big Boss as their mouthpiece. The theme of father problems was resolved by healing a real life father-son relationship. Top tier fricking kino.
A shame that the subject of their conversation was completely fricking moronic and ruined the patriots
You arent wrong there. The dumbest fricking thing ever was making the goofball support team from 3 into the series main antagonists at the very last second.
I prefer the ending of 2 as a series closer, Raiden using the sword breaks him from the mold of "Not Solid Snake" so he actualizes as a person in an ironic way because in doing so he understands he's a video game character, clinging to Rose because whether she's real or not is irrelevant to him. The player is reminded that fiction is meant to inspire us to continue fighting to have a good life in reality because escaping into a fantasy world is as effective as hiding from your problems under a cardboard box. And Snake gets to live on in our imaginations as we wonder what kind of adventures the hunt for the Patriots will take him and Otacon on. In a weird way every single Metal Gear game is a great ending to the series.
MGS4 had some great moments and ideas but the whole is a bit insufferable.
High IQ post. As far as I am concerned MGS ended with 3. I don't understand why some people need to have answers like okay but who really actually were the patriots? and praising 4 for giving them answers, however poorly conceived the answers were.
The thing is we didn't need to know who the Patriots were because MGS2 FRICKING TELLS US, it's the algamation of the top brass of most western nations and the various institutions they use to insulate themselves from the tools (people) they use to carry out their will. The entire point of the name is that they and their "memes" were so thoroughly baked into the basic infrastructure of society that stripping them of their power would require abandoning patriotism in and of itself.
But never mind it's just a handful of korean war vets LOL
>Like Eva in the garden of Eden I too tempted a Snake
>*picks an apple from the ground*
MGS is kind of 2 different series to me. The Snake series is MG1 and 2, MGS1, and MGS2. Big Boss series is MGS3, PW, and MGSV. You could stop at 3 because it gives Big Boss his motivation to be a villain and shows how the Philosophers became the Patriots and thats honestly all the info you NEED to understand him. You could stop at Peace Walker and watch him reject The Boss and imagine that Mother Base becomes Outer Heaven and Solid Snake fights ZEKE in MG1. Or you could follow through with V because it's almost like an evil twin of MGS2 and it has a lot to say about identity and trauma. Venom is the same memetic character as Raiden, with the only difference being that his Snake betrays him until he self actualizes instead of mentoring him. It also brings Big Boss's arc to completion because he kills the Medic for gain similar to the US killing the Boss.
I interpreted the Patriots as being the members of KojiPro themselves, despite their best efforts the characters in the story will never get to defeat the powers that be because their influence on the world is so powerful through the means you described that they may as well be on an entirely different plane of existence.
It goes hand in hand with the point escapism through media, we've all become obsessed with global politics and conspiracies due to the worldwide nature of the internet. For a lot of people this causes great distress and depression because it's increasingly obvious that everything is rigged and that it's all planned by these ultra-powerful elites on a scale never before seen in history. We find ourselves with this instinct to rebel or fight them somehow, but unfortunately a part of maturity is accepting the system that you live in and living well despite it. The real world Powers That Be are just as untouchable to us as Yoji Shinkawa is to Snake and Otacon, and the real way to rebel against them is to live a decent life with the people in your immediate surroundings.
>Or you could follow through with V because it's almost like an evil twin of MGS2 and it has a lot to say about identity and trauma.
Yup! That’s why I like V.
Absolutely I'm thinking more people are starting to accept V for what it was just like it took a decade for fans to warm up to MGS2 and Raiden.
Even the format was the same. Ground Zeroes was this meticulous and satisfying opening chapter starring the guy we wanted to play as like the Tanker, and V is a slightly clunkier, unpolished game (still leagues above other triple a games) that was disappointing on purpose, where you play as the guy you are like the Big Shell. Even the trailers are required viewing to get the full experience of both games. I cant really put a finger on what it means but Raiden decides to be his own character outside of the player's influence to live a full life and Venom decides to embrace his role as both Big Boss's and the player's puppet and it leads him to inevitable death.
There's a wild amount of schizo shit going on in V but it's rarely talked about because it's as much of a sandbox story as a sandbox game, you only get out of it what you put into it. I think the people that speed through V's story like a regular game and hate it are the equivalent of players who use the chicken hat and the tranq/M16 combo only and say its not fun
Oh damn I see where you're coming from, its like how most Americans have guns but nobody ever does anything useful with them. We've been so thoroughly psyopped from all angles that we shoot each other in supermarkets instead of using our 2nd Amendment rights as they were intended, to make politicians work for us instead of vice versa. Its why the boomers think we still live in the same America they thrived in and wonder why current generations flounder. "The world you were raised to live in no longer exists"
But what do you propose the average Joe on the street with bills to pay and a family to feed can do about it? It's not out of the question that Solid Snake could disrupt the Patriots in a game set after 2 but the entire thesis statement of MGS2 was "You are not Solid Snake"
>the lesson of the patriots is that they're invincible and you shoupd just give up
No. The lesson of the patriots is that everything you believe is fundamentally good or worth saving abour your country is a carefully constructed lie designed to trick you into discounting sedition and revolution as valid options before even seriously considering them. Take the USA. Nearly uncontested global super power, propped up by an unmatched military, and yet that military is powered by the labor of people with fundamentally different valies than the government that commands them. Why? Because they have been fooled into thinking "America" is something more than its current state, that what we have today is a sick and dysfunctional form of something worth preserving. But it's nothing more than an illusion. A memetic slave collar, forged from lies and dishonest rhetoric, drilled into us from early childhood.
I'm afraid what anon said went over your head if that's what you heard him say.
At the risk of throwing meaningless platitudes and gotchas at you, if revolution and sedition are necessary for the common man to live a fulfilling life and have dignity in this country, then why aren't you doing what you can to make those things happen instead of writing posts like this on the government's internet?
Do you really think that people who do charitable works for their communities and try to lead by example are really doing their communities a disservice by not trying to lead an armed insurrection and start a civil war instead?
>At the risk of throwing meaningless platitudes and gotchas at you, if revolution and sedition are necessary for the common man to live a fulfilling life and have dignity in this country, then why aren't you doing what you can to make those things happen instead of writing posts like this on the government's internet?
Because I am a coward.
>Do you really think that people who do charitable works for their communities and try to lead by example are really doing their communities a disservice by not trying to lead an armed insurrection and start a civil war instead?
Yes
>Do you really think that people who do charitable works for their communities and try to lead by example are really doing their communities a disservice by not trying to lead an armed insurrection and start a civil war instead?
>Yes
Well, anon, all I can say is that I used to think like you until I realized that maybe someone at the top of the pyramid would rather I spend my days alone and afraid of the powers that be instead of just trying to enjoy my life and be good to the people that I can reasonably have an impact on while I'm alive.
I truly think that this war against the people in charge can only be fought as a war of attrition and nonviolent resistance. I think it would be foolish to expect the situation to get better in my life time and instead think my efforts would be better spent preparing the next generation to better prepare their successors to grapple with this corrupt system that we have all unwillingly been born into.
>I truly think that this war against the people in charge can only be fought as a war of attrition and nonviolent resistance.
Then you are an ideal slave, and your children will be too, willing or unwilling. Only misanthropy and disruption will save us. Trying to be content and productive while those who close the noose feed on the cream of your crop will only make it that much harder to resist.
With an attitude like that, I guess it's a good thing that I'll have children and you won't. You spare your bloodline the horror of existing during late stage capitalism and my children inherit the Earth. Everybody wins.
The notion that I am a slave for denying the powers that be what they want from me (misery) while you are content to sit on your hands and give them exactly what they want is laughable. Write me another poem.
>I guess it's a good thing that I'll have children and you won't.
Will you? Or are you just going to say you will to maintain the facade of optimism? How would things possibly get better when you willingly feed the problem? Especially when that beast does everything it can to convince you to go without a legacy, to allow yourself to be replaced by a fatter strain of cattle. They don't want misery. They want productivity.
>Will you? Or are you just going to say you will to maintain the facade of optimism?
I will. It's no facade, anon. I'm an optimist.
>How would things possibly get better when you willingly feed the problem?
How am I feeding the problem by insisting that good can still be done in your immediate community regardless of what the most powerful people in the world are doing? I have a job and pay bills; is that what you mean?
>Especially when that beast does everything it can to convince you to go without a legacy, to allow yourself to be replaced by a fatter strain of cattle.
Why does that mean that I should just roll over and let them win? Why are you eager to call your fellow man cattle?
>They don't want misery. They want productivity.
You've been misled. They want misery because it breeds complacency. They overexert the workforce in the name of "productivity" to induce profound malaise and misery. They sell you things to alleviate the misery with the money from the job that makes you miserable. They want you to be miserable, and they want you to think that the only way out is death and the termination of your bloodline. They want people who can recognize the evil that they do to go extinct.
>Why does that mean that I should just roll over and let them win?
You're letting them right now. If you're a coward like me, the correct thing to do is be a leach on the system. If you're braver, the correct thing to do is go full minecraft.
>You've been misled. They want misery because it breeds complacency.
You have fallen for exactly the trap the patriots used in the metal gear franchise. You have been fooled into thinking that trying your hardest and generating the most resources for the very system that disarms you and rapes your children and lies about your past and binds your words is some sort of rebellion, when all you're doing is adding grist to the mill. I reiterate: they don't want you miserable, they want your value. This is why I say "cattle". Any farmer knows that the key to making operations smooth and profitable is to get the livestock comfortable.
You just sound like a lazy misanthrope looking to excuse his behavior, anon.
>You have been fooled into thinking that trying your hardest and generating the most resources for the very system that disarms you and rapes your children and lies about your past and binds your words is some sort of rebellion, when all you're doing is adding grist to the mill.
I don't really do any of that. I work as a caregiver for disabled people. It's a very easy yet fulfilling job that pays me peanuts.
What do you actually want me to do? Please tell me since you've apparently got it all figured out. Just prescribe to me what I should do if I truly want to make the world a better place.
>I work as a caregiver for disabled people. It's a very easy yet fulfilling job that pays me peanuts.
Well hey at least there's that. Can't really ask you to do more without, you know, iillegal shit. I just get mad at the dumbass boomer attitude that working as hard as possible within the system is the best way to change it, when if anything it's just rewarding it.
And what I'm proposing isn't working as hard as possible; I think that shit is dumb too. All I'm saying is that the actual way that we win against the powers that be is by living a healthy, virtuous life and being good to the people we encounter on a daily basis. I won't pretend that it's easy to do that, though.
That's a very creative interpretation, that the Patriots are KojiPro. I took them to just be TPTB. Your interpretation does make sense, though.
>The real world Powers That Be are just as untouchable to us as Yoji Shinkawa is to Snake and Otacon, and the real way to rebel against them is to live a decent life with the people in your immediate surroundings.
Now this I completely agree with. It's also what I've personally taken away from this series and one of the reasons I like it so much.
>Big Boss series is MGS3
Yes MGS3 and that's all. Big Boss has one game.
No facts, only interpretations. 3 is a decent ending point too, it doesnt frick with 2's story and slides from post-modernism to meta-modernism, i.e. instead of mocking the structures and memes of modernity (represented by MGS1) like 2 did, MGS3 is very playful with the tropes of the series without twisting or altering them at all, showing it's just as valid to notice patterns in the world and still having as much fun as you want by embracing them.
No lie I hope this is what late zoomers/early Gen Alpha are gonna be like. Leaving behind the nihilism and subversion of the millennials and early zooms to just be kooky absurdist frickers that are aware of the world's bullshit but will be genuine in spirit enough to not mind. They'll be like boomers without the naivety, if they arent utterly mindbroken from the start.
Right on man. The "Calvin and Hobbes' Dad" method of societal upheaval. The survivor mindset. They are more afraid of the people who get really into gardening vegetables and having genuine connections with their neighbors than they are of people like Mr. Blackpill ITT. I remember being like that when I was a late teen/early 20 something though, I really do think its a stage of emotional development for the modern man and I'm happy MGS was there to help me figure this out, because at the time I was going through those feelings nobody around me seemed to understand it like Snake and the gang did.
Yeah man, you're totally showing the system by growing potatoes in your backyard. At least I can admit that I'm not doing what it would actually take.
So why don't you have a nice day then? Not to be mean and I'm not saying you should, but if the world isn't going to get better and you refuse to better your own situation because it's so hopeless why continue to be their slave by existing?
We're saying it''s possible to be happy in this world anon, even in the darkest circumstances the human spirit can flourish. Im not even sure if our current state is the worst it's ever been.
Do you have any hobbies other than vidya? One that doesnt require any consumption of some corpo product.
Getting into music helped me. I used to write punk rock songs about how much I hated everything and the system and all and shredded my vocal cords until I felt better. They werent even good, but they didnt have to be. Maybe peruse yard sales for a secondhand guitar and amp, you'd never give a penny to the powers that be and maybe you'll meet somebody interesting and nice, and power chords can be learned in a literal afternoon.
Finding any kind of individualistic way to cope with these circumstances will improve how you feel about things. Turn off the internet for a week and find literally anything in the real, physical, world around you to care about. Make your world as small as it possibly can be before you give in.
>Even the Patriots are kind of an ongoing fiction
>[...]
>We need to pass the torch and let our children read our messy and sad history by its light
>We have all the magic of the digital age to do that with
>The human race will probably come to an end some time and a new species may rule the planet
>Earth may not be forever
>but its our responsibility to leave what traces of life we can
>Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing
t. The game we're all talking about in the first place
>So why don't you have a nice day then?
Because it's not my fricking fault.
>and you refuse to better your own situation
My situation isn't particularly bad. I really fricking hate this moronic progressivist rhetoric of suggesting that anyone who recognizes evil in society is somehow a total failure or otherwise just compensating for personal dissatisfaction. It probably stems from them never having had an authentic conviction even once in their lives. I'm glad you like music, but if getting a hobby you enjoy caused you to lose your convictions, they were never real, and it's not fair to generalize your experience to everyone else. Some people actually do believe in things.
I never said it's not possible to be happy, or that you should avoid it. I said it's foolish to pretend that living your best life is going to actually change or even resist the worst elements of those above us. There is and has only ever been one way to actually oppose tyranny, and that is violent force.
You know what? I'm not trying to change the world you fricking moron. I didn't lose my convictions, they evolved. I could not change the world so I changed myself.
I always despised mass consumerism and the way people turn brands into identity. I always hated the obesity epidemic and how much of our food is pure poison. I always loathed the medical industrial complex because for my entire life they've been destroying my entire home state with opioids.
After I quit watching it all and complaining about it I got over my disdain for consumerism by learning how to do DIY projects and buying everything secondhand, stopped feeling insecure about not keeping up with the joneses. I got over my issue with the disgusting modern diet by quitting my first job in fast food (so I no longer contributed to the issue) became vegetarian, started caring for my health, learned to grow and cook my own food. I stick a literal middle finger up to Big Pharma every single day because I lost part of my hand in an accident and I didnt do the easy thing: letting them put me into massive debt by getting fitted with a prosthetic and letting them prescribe me the pain pills that kill my friends and family. Instead I spent years building my own prosthetic and don't take any pills at all. I live in a working class area, a lot of locals have fricked up hands. I build them devices too under the table, which mean I have personally cost Big Pharma 10s of thousands of dollars without them even knowing. And yet you say I have no convictions, no real beliefs. Obviously you've never had to overcome real hardship in your pathetic life. And yet you think you're better than me because you do nothing but cry and piss and moan!?
Fine then. I'll tell you what you've been begging everyone in this thread to tell you then, you're nothing but A homosexual. A LOSER. A COWARD. AND YOU'RE PROUD OF IT.
I was gonna say sorry about your hand, then I read the rest of your post. And you know what? Frick you. Dipshit crippled yourself and then has the audacity to pretend that getting into crafts and singing is some profound revelation and not just finding something to do after the amputation. Wallowing in self pity so much you didn't even realized you looped completely around from claiming that I was just projecting personal dissatisfaction onto the whole world when I say that removal of the US government would be the only way to fix it, then saying I never knew any struggles if I considered distracting myself with hobbies inadequate for addressing societal ills, to calling me a loser again, all in the space of 2 posts. At least it's obvious why you're so hostile now. Because you know that deep down that turning vegetarian and shopping at goodwill doesn't change the fact that you now are and always will be dependent.
How are you this much of an armchair revolutionary and still not aware of the overwhelming monopoly on violence that the USA holds over not just its own soil but most of the planet? You talk a big game but don't really seem to grasp the gravity of the situation you are standing on your soapbox about. You hate yourself because you think of yourself as too much of a coward to do epic Minecraft PvP griefing compilations. You think Solid Snake should be solving these problems. You are not Solid Snake. None of us are.
You're a fricking homosexual, and you should have a nice day.
No state has ever had a monopoly of violence. The invulnerability of leadership is always illusory. Especially in a situation where the armed forces themselves are ideologically at odds with the administration, merely kept in line by fraudulent ideas of patriotism and legitimacy of a country beyond that of its state.
>The "Calvin and Hobbes' Dad" method of societal upheaval.
You flatter me! I remember being like him too. I'm sure he'll figure it out eventually, but I have encountered a pretty worrying amount of people like him who are in their thirties and forties on this website.
>I really do think its a stage of emotional development for the modern man and I'm happy MGS was there to help me figure this out, because at the time I was going through those feelings nobody around me seemed to understand it like Snake and the gang did.
It found me at the right time too, in my teenage years. I'm happy to hear that you had the same experience.
>They are more afraid of the people who get really into gardening vegetables and having genuine connections with their neighbors
No, they are more afraid of people into gardening or farming who are conscious enough to demand for better rights and won't chicken out against companies dumping toxic waste near their workplace or similar.
>It goes hand in hand with the point escapism through media, we've all become obsessed with global politics and conspiracies due to the worldwide nature of the internet. For a lot of people this causes great distress and depression because it's increasingly obvious that everything is rigged and that it's all planned by these ultra-powerful elites on a scale never before seen in history. We find ourselves with this instinct to rebel or fight them somehow, but unfortunately a part of maturity is accepting the system that you live in and living well despite it. The real world Powers That Be are just as untouchable to us as Yoji Shinkawa is to Snake and Otacon, and the real way to rebel against them is to live a decent life with the people in your immediate surroundings.
Pretty good take anon.
>Yes
Most people just want to make love, do a bit of drugs, play their video games or movies, have children. Almost no one cares about politics or wars or noble ideas to die for and those who do really don't have anything meaningful in their life and need to supplement it with FRICK TRUMP or FRICK BIDEN or BLM YEAH. What is your purpose, what gives you meaning? Shooting into other people? Eating chips while watching some simple slop?
>Snake's JP voice actor Akio Otsuka was estranged from his own father who was also a voice actor. By casting Chikao Otsuka as Big Boss, it forced them to talk for the first time in years as professionals in the same field showing gratitude and respect towards one another, while using Snake and Big Boss as their mouthpiece.
Fricking hell. I had no idea about this.
>Kojima gave himself therapy and saved a voice actor's relationship with his father
Based if true.
No.
Revengeance is a mediocre game outside of the music but it didn't really impact the rest of the franchise.
>franchise essentially ends after MGR, which has different gameplay anyway
>it had no impact
No shit.
3 ruined MGS by introducing the Boss.
Revengeance is the only good Metal Gear
Not really but if you're trying to interact with someone who's a self-described huge Metal Gear fan and you initiate the conversation about it only to turn around and say your favorite game has nothing to do with what the series is actually about and has had a recent surge of people who know nothing about the series at all playing it just for the memes then I don't fault the girl at all for unmatching lol
WHAT DOES THE REDDIT FROG HAVE TO DO WITH THAT?
back to sharty, Ivan. /qa/ lost, btw.
>Reponds to the bait image instead of the post.
Why are frogposters all moronic?
I don't see why we're not allowed to both like MGS and Rising. Rising totally makes sense post-MGS4. It's got Kojima's seal of approval and it's canon and yes I fricking like it. It's not MGS though, the series name is Metal Gear for a reason. It encompasses more than the Solid titles.
Mercury Shitstains Castlevania also got Kojimas blessing, so that doesn't mean shit.
Kojima is not the director of any Castlevania game nor did he create the series. Irrelevant point.
>it's canon and yes I fricking like it.
It's not canon. If it's not a Kojima game then it's not canon to the MGS timeline.
>it's canon
my care for what is "canon" went downhill when they replaced kino ops with peace wanker
>Rising totally makes sense post-MGS4
except the part where
>MGS4
>Raiden gets back with Rose and his son as a family
>Rising
>He's alone again doing mercenary work as a psycho ninja
But yeah, forget the part where Rising started in the MGS4 engine as a simple spinoff for Raiden, it's the Platinum Games craaaaazy game that's canon!
He absolutely does mention Rose and his son in MGRR.
no i'm pretty sure konami ruined metal gear by making it not exist any more hth
>pretending that MGS was anything more than videogame anime tier drivel and that Revengeance wasnt just in on the joke on how moronic it all was
I would say AC!D 2 and when she doesn't reply I would assume her pussy juicegot all over her phone and shorted it.
its the only good metal gear game
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It's a better Metal Gear Game than anything that came out after Metal Gear Solid 3 and that's in spite of it not even being a Metal Gear Game.
Based as frick. She probably thought he was a trend hopping moron
If a girl said to me her favorite is MGS2 that alone would be a huge green flag and wife material. Imagine if she said it's because Raiden is cute. I would bash her skull in.
No, MGR is one of the best action games of all time, and Armstrong was based
listen pal, you're mom's anus is so dial-eighted that the leaning tower of pisa could fit thru that b***h and she'd still have room left over for tyrese ya feel me.
frick you revengeance is
>fun
>Ganker now hates Metal Gear: Risin because a couple of homosexual YouTubers made video essays about it
it's all so tiresome. is there anything you're even alowed to like on this shit board?
Metal Gear Rising*
Wojaks, bait, and porn.
Megaman series still seems to be fair game.
"girl"
The whole series is cringe, anime-brained consoleshit for pseudo-intellectuals. You're all hopelessly autistic if you think any one of them is substantially worse than the others.
Mine is MGS2 too and I love Revengeance.
Also I recognize that MGS3 is better in every way but I still like MGS2 more, which is weird.
It's a good game, but hardly a Metal Gear game. It's like saying you love the Tomb Raider franchise and when asked which game is your favorite one is you say "Lara Croft and The Temple of Osiris".
>but hardly a Metal Gear game
well that's what a spin-off game just based on the same universe than main franchise, anon, they even put "Lightning Bolt Action" instead of the usual "Stealth Espionage Action" the game never tried to be a main metal gear game, just something else based on the metal gear universe
It IS a Metal Gear game. It's simply not a Metal Gear Solid game. he way they use the titles allows for a lot of flexibility.
Metal Gear Rising is awesome and that girl is dumb.
it fixed Raiden as a charater
4 already did that
true but MGR made him better
>it even rained the day I was born
MGR was the only good Metal Gear game, change my mind.
I respect that woman. Standing up for what she believes, like a true patriot.
no, it's a fun spin off
Kinda. It made everything you do in MGS4 pointless hence why people say it's non canon. Kojima himself didn't comment on it, he didn't care about its canon status
MGS 4 ended with Drebin saying it's not sunshine and rainbows, people will take quite sometime to rebuild their society but rising has them starting a new war altogether
It also doesn't help that the original rising was supposed to be about Raiden rescuing Sunny, a plot point that was basically ignored
Except MGS4 ALREADY made everything that came before it pointless. All MGR did was salvage what it could from the shitheap that was MGS4.
That's completely false.
MGS4 connected the dots throughout all the games. the only thing that was redeemed pointless are the Patriots members which turned into the philosophers I think
MGR didn't salvage anything, it might as well be its own thing
> That's completely false.
MGS4 connected the dots throughout all the games.
Yeah and it made everything worse. Also how about Raiden’s character? Am I really supposed to believe that Raiden is suddenly gonna live a peaceful life NOW when he relapsed last time? If they wanted to cave into the morons who got mad about Snake and make him a cyborg, they could’ve done it in a way that doesn’t shit on his character.
giving him a happy ending is shitting on his character? Raiden was sacrificing himself in MGS4, saved snake numerous times and almost died in the process
He truly didn't want to live yet Snake insisted that he should.
>MGS2
>Raiden goes to have a happy ending with Rose, following Snake's advice
>MGS4
>Raiden has PTSD relapses
>Rose lies and says their child died
>Rose pretends to cuck Raiden
>Raiden gets experimented on and turned into a cyborg
>Raiden continually tries to find some way to kill himself as the game goes on
>Rose comes in at the end and goes "lol jk"
>somehow, all of this traumatic bullshit on top of all of the other traumatic bullshit from post-MGS2 magically disappears and THIS time things are just better because... they just are, okay?!
>this is the happy ending Anon thinks is good for his character
He already HAD a happy ending in MGS2. MGS4 just completely shat on that by having him relapse because “le snake fans are angry.” It’s kinda hard to believe his “happy ending” in 4 was gonna work out when he already fricked it up the last time he was given an opportunity.
Was it truly a happy ending if Sunny was still out there?
Yeah but Snake already said he was gonna take care of that so it isn’t like they were just gonna frick off and not do anything
Yeah I remember. I stand corrected then, Raiden ending in MGS4 is hamfisted
>It made everything you do in MGS4 pointless
>but rising has them starting a new war altogether
I don't get this argument, you think wars are gonna stop just because the AI aren't around to manipulate people into starting one? Don't be moronic
It might as well be. that was the impression that I got from MGS4
>MGS4 bullshitting a "And then everyone was happy forever. The End." ending makes more sense than people continuing to do what they know, especially when they know it's profitable
???
>Kojima himself didn't comment on it, he didn't care about its canon status
He did comment on it though. He said this:
>So that said, as far as the settings concerned it takes place after Metal Gear Solid 4, so in that sense it is a continuation of the saga, a continuation of the story after Metal Gear Solid 4, but as you know this time we're working with Platinum Games and it's being developed outside of the studio, so it's a little bit different from the story I had in mind for what would happen after Metal Gear Solid 4, it's kind of Platinum Games interpretation of the story and interpretation of the Metal Gear world, so in that sense you could say it's sort of a parallel story, at the same time as well as being a continuation. It's Platinum's take on the Metal Gear universe.
Metal Gear Rising is peak funslop. not particularly impressive as a game but it has a kick ass tone and soundtrack. you suffer throught the mediocre gameplay to get to the next epic needle drop boss fight.
>funslop
Ganker's version of "schlock"
basically, yes
I don't know, but what I do know is raiden wears high heels the fricking drag queen
Yes, it introduced too many secondaries who knows nothing about the rest of the series.
the kind of morons who'll double down and say that le all mgs games are le bad except for my moronic action slop
Except that said action game is fun.
No, but it is hilariously easy because of how broken parry is
I think MGS2 is good, but MGS3 is the best, the cold war era suits the game too well
however, I will say that Mistral is the franchises best and sexiest girl
It's an alright game but it's overrated with zoomers now for some reason.
While the action is more bold, it doesn't have the weight it had in beta Metal Gear Rising trailer, or playing as Raiden in MGO2.
It really feels like you are swinging a paper sword, mindlessly just mashing parry, attack, and nothing else.
It's not a bad game at all, and I think it was rated pretty fairly when it came out, but now thanks to Youtube "video essayist" indulging in nostalgia, and it's zoomer fans gobbling their gospel.
The game is now elevated as some kind of legend, eventhough it's nothing but an alright joke spin-off.
People only praise it for the memes and ebin political commentary! None of the gays obsessing about it these days have actually played it.
Hey longtime MGS fan here!
I can't really comment too much on Metal Gear Rising, it was a really hard game, a little too hard for even me! (I know that's hard to believe.) I had to play it on easy so that I could get through the first few levels, but eventually I got stuck at monsoon! How do you beat himmmm!?!?!?
As a longtime MGS SUPER fan, I think Metal Gear Rising is stupid.
pls be in london
MGO2 Raiden > MGR Raiden
I remember when some speedrunner cut perfect splits of his run together into a WR and then streamed it on AGDQ or some other speedrunning event while pretending to be playing the run.
STANDING HERE
AND I REALIZE
I'LL NEVER HAVE SEX
fricking homosexuals im going to smash everyones fricking head in on this fricking website when i find out where you all are
How about you don't take criticism about your favorite things on a personal level
Where do you think we are?
Good luck I am behind 7 geckos.
This guy deserved that.
And no, Revengeance didn't ruin the series. It's a spin-off.
Be the American the Japanese think you are.
Revengence was fine. MGS3 killed the series, but the most damage was done with the trash that is OP, 4 and PW. All awful games.
Nah, Konami and Kojima's little b***hfest doomed the series harder than a DMC spinoff ever could have. If anything the latter was breathing MG spirit back into the series in its own way, memes aside, and to this day people still debate whether the villain was right or wrong.
Rare woman W
The game is good but in my mind is not canon.
Metal gear was a cringe game that was saved by revengence, probably the only good metal gear game
You know you could just say that it's the only MG you've completed
This game ruined a whole generation of young boys
You can’t even debate on this
Do not respond to this post for I will not respond back
It was a cool game.
But I agree
MGR killed the rep for this series when everyone and their memes started coming after this game pretending it's the only good MG game and even thinking it's mainline and Snake is that guy from Brawl
Good, imagine a game with like 6+ games revolving around stealth and your favorite one is the hack and slasher spin-off one. Easy tell this gay is a bandwagoning homo
because mgs was never a stealth game lmfao
it might be advertised as such, but in reality near zero people played it that way. the sneaked marginally and murdered or tranq'd everyone. every fricking boss fight had zero stealth, throwing grenades at morons in tanks, fist fighting on giant robots, using swords and missiles on 100 giant robots.
"oh but i sneaked past 2 guys in a hallway" yeah and everyone else just killed them, shut the frick up the games were always revengence tier, just without the good combat system made for it and banging non stop ost. they had more exploration than revengence is their positive, instead of a very narrow short line into a set piece fight over and over again, the scope was wider.
t. MGRR casual
so is this what we do now? Just browse X, find something W like, and repost it on Ganker like Reddit and Resetera does?
Really?
You'd best start believing in Twitter/Reddit screencap threads. You're in one.
Yes, Ganker is basically Resetera for right wing edgelords these days. It took you this long to figure it out?
is GameFAQs truly the last bastion of gaming discussion left?
>GameFAQs
>quality discussion
lmao
If Ganker hates it then it must be a good site
>gamegays
don't be ridiculous, that place is resetera-lite, i take vee over that dumpster any day
I use gamefaq when I need info on old games and shit. Surprisingly they still have walkthroughs and other shit for games made decades ago.
Imagine not being a right wing edgelord in 2023. Are you just moronic?
Yes, obsessing over trannies in Twatter screenshot threads is very based. Why actually discuss anything when you can just rehash the same old buzzwords and talking points in low effort bait threads that get reposted 3-5 times a day.
>NOOOOO You're not allowed to criticize me!
have a nice day
No. I skipped all the cutscenes so it doesn't have a moronic story to me, just a high speed Black person stupid up close cutting system you need to do for everything to upgrade your asiatic self. It's shit but right before the end area it looks good, where you are outside that white walled area.
It's shit, but mg is all shit really. It didn't ruin anything not already in the toilet because of that israeli c**t kojima and his crew of deaf axolotyl.
MGS is one of those series where despite appreciating the cool mechanical stuff in the games, they are so stupid that I distance myself from them in conversation because I don't want to be one of "those" gamers. They are embarrassingly dumb.
Is the only good metal gear game
I don't get it, why wouldn't a Raidengay like another Raidengay? Asking as a Raidengay myself. 2 and Revengeance are the best games.
No, it's literally the best and only fun game of the franchise.
>a cringe game
Yea
>that ruined metal gear
Metal Gear fricked itself long before this game was even made
This isn't fake. Ganker won't believe me but I'm also a girl who feels very strongly about mgs. i dont think its uncommon. I would also unmatch anyone who says PW is his favorite
Sorry sister but I jerked off to Paz on the beach
sorry, you only have 2 options:
>breasts or gtfo
>ywnbaw
I hope you find your MGS bf and that I find my MGS gf.
I don't think PW is bad, it is however a bit overrated
uh huh
I 100% believe this - women love Snake and Dante disproportionately higher than most video game characters.
Best game of a cringe franchise.
>Is Revengeance a cringe game that ruined the Metal Gear game?
that was mgs2
it's certainly better than 4 in every way imaginable, has better story than 5 and OST on par with 1, 2 and 3. level design is shitty and it's the only thing revengeance lacked to be considered god tier like dmc 3. even combat doesn't ever reach peaks of sekiro. I'd never put mgrr into my top3 metal gears but I understand where the love comes from action fans.
I still think Metal Gear Rising narratively is a fine if not great addition to the setting and was conceptually more Metal Gear than Kojimbo's last Metal Gear game, stealth aside, it just went to the most extreme logical conclusion which is perfectly reasonable for a spin-off.
Plus the use of cyborgs/technological augmentation as an allegory for post-war living was neat.
I can't say I really agree that it's more of a Metal Gear Solid game than MGSV, but I do agree that it is genuinely no slouch as far as the story was concerned and makes sense as a continuation of MGS4. They didn't even skimp on the codec calls in Revengeance.
Revengeanve has better codec calls than mgsv. Kojitards will never admit to it being a better metal gear than V.
I honestly preferred V and enjoyed listening to all of the cassette tapes, but I'm also someone who didn't hate the ending of that game.
The ending is great, people have such shit taste
Yea, verily.
Play it sometime, it's pretty fun. It's not my favorite Platinum game, but it's good and has all the Raiden you could possibly ask for. You'll figure out pretty quickly whether or not you're down to play the entire game.
MGSV goes too hard on specifically the magical realism and not enough on the metapolitical. What worked in MGS1 to Peace Walker was witnessing the formation and accelerative nature of the military industrial complex as it went from overly ambitious humans to literal soulless machines that scrambled for their survival against people who were so thoroughly broken by it trying to stop them.
MGR follows that premise and shows an amusing and extreme aftermath, a man enabled by the Patriots' existence taking advantage of the decisions made by those who stopped them before to repeat the past but for his own personal advantage - demonstrated even literally with his whole "Nanomachines" gimmick.
All MGSV does with it is just reiterate that Big Boss became a very fundamentally warped person but ultimately feels tangential at times in favor of all the surrealist imagery and magic vocal parasites.
Skull face's dumb plan was rooted in a very political concept, namely that the assumptions embedded in the logic of language affects the way people who speak that language think about things and make decisions, which grants a form of cultural control. This is muddled by the fact that many languages like french, spanish, italian and german are fundamentally very similar to english in this regard, and more importantly, by the fact that skull face is a schizo moron and so obviously iredeemably evil that none of his points could hope to resonate.
The real story of MGS5 is about the nature of hero worship and how we can delude ourselves into thinking that our irrelevant or even destructive actions are heroic through mental recontextualization into narratives based on what we'd like to be true rather than what actually is. Huey is the most obvious example, but it really applies to everyone at mother base, including "big boss", who is actually just you, the player. There is a metafictional element at play, seemingly born out of frustration with people who saw big boss as an anti-hero rather than a villain. "You want to be Big Boss huh? Well this is what that leads to".
I hear you, but I actually liked that about MGSV. I can completely understand why a lot of people didn’t. It still felt decidedly like a Metal Gear Solid game to me.
The mainline, numbered MGS games all feel like Verhoeven movies to me while MGR feels like a Kershner movie, if that makes sense.
>empty open world
>lack of indoor environments
>lack of bosses
>same missions recycled over and over
>everything interesting already happened and is told instead of shown
>remember MGS3? well I was actually there picking your shits and bodies you left so prevent the nuclear war
The only good part was when Skullcuck was telling his life story and threats about VOLBACHIA to a literal puppet of Big Boss, thinking it's Big Boss himself. Imagine him practicing the speech for 20 years in front of a mirror only to be cucked by a literal husk of a person.
Both Skullface and Venom were phantoms
Skullface of Zero
Venom of Big Boss
My biggest gripe however (adding to yours) is
What the frick was the deal with Volgin/The Man on Fire? I get he's supposed to be the personification of his hatred and feelings of revenge towards Big Boss and he's supposed to be an analogy for Venom and Skull Face, but he played such a minor role that it's hard to see it as anything less than just a cameo to get MGS3 fans interested from the trailers.
Also, The Third Child is stupid, everything about him
I honestly liked the game anon; I dunno what to tell you. I didn't care much for PO or PW but really liked most of the missions in MGSV and thought the level design and sneaking was great. I did all the side-ops too, and that's when I listened to most of the cassette tapes. The boss fights were the weakest part of the game, unfortunately.
I'm glad you can at least appreciate the goofy Jeep ride. That shit was so funny.
sucks to have shit taste and misinformation brain
The Persona 5 of MGS
>big budget ps3 cinematic exclusive
>designed to be huge system seller and japanese cod killer
that would be 4
>ridiculous over the top story and scenes
>crazy characters
>gameplay is mediocre
in what way is this not a metal gear game? mgsv is less of a metal gear game because the gameplay in v was fun as frick
Revengeance is a spin off, that's why it's called MGR and not MGS.
Great woman. Revengance was complete shit
>being too dumb to enjoy cringe kino
>Is Revengeance a cringe game
Yes, but it's the campy kind of cringe that's actually good and entertaining
>that ruined the Metal Gear game?
Nothing to ruin there, it was always shit
OMG IS THAT SUNDO
forgive me
*ahem*
OMG IS THAT SUNDOWNER!?
Who cares its all about the final boss
If any game ruined the series, it was Peace Walker with it's shitty mission-based formula being carried over to GZ and V
>bought this game on a Steam sale
>never played it
Why am I like this?
No, it's a game where you can cut anything you want
How did it ruin it since it it was a one time spin off ?
moron
it's literally the most 'metal gear' metal gear game in the series. Peacewalker is the best game in the series though
I recently matched with a girl who is a New Vegas fan and we really hit it off in chat but now post nut clarity has hit and I don't really think I have the time or energy for a gf.
You better make that clear ASAP, anon.
Metal Gear Rising is a good game, it's more of a babby's first action game, but it's still pretty fun. It's a Metal Gear game in name only, so I don't know why people still acknowledge its' significance in the MG franchise and timeline. You don't see actual Rainbow Six fans associate Siege with titles like Vegas and such because it's an Esportsgay title that has gone past Rainbow Six, kind of like MGR has gone past Metal Gear by going full-on DMC ripoff action.
Vegas/Vegas2 are the worst rainbow six titles ever made, this includes siege.
I bet half of the MGR:R "fans" don't even know who Rosemary and Little John are.
yes
MGSV and Revengeance were my favorite games. So much sun, so many hours wasted. Would do it all over again.
Did you play much MGO? It was my jam for like a year and a half following that game's release.
No, it's a fricking badass and amazingly fun game that ruined the Metal Gear Solid storyline
Metal Gear Rising is not canon, as stated by here
from Kojima's interview.
no it was a fun spin off until maxor uploaded that fricking video and redditors milked it dry of any soul it had
He should have sticked Arma 3 videos
Ganker used to love this game. Wtf happened?
Zoomers really fricking ruined MGR.
Metal Gear has been bottom of the barrel garbage since 4 with 4 being already half garbage and 3 being "ugh something does not taste right". Rising is the only good thing to come out of that franchise in decades. That being said it's stupid to call it a "Metal Gear game", it's just a spinoff. I don't view rising as the continuation of the 4 canon, i view it like a tongue and cheek parody of that canon. It's just a fun action game in a cool Metal Gear package.
>and 3 being "ugh something does not taste right"
Dang, really? I'm curious to know what you felt was off in that game.
Well i got nothing to do so why not.
I played MGS3 at release so it was when i was a huge MGS fanboy. As such i was incapable of admitting these same issues i have with it now but even back then i could never shake the feeling something was off. MGS1 and 2 were like life changing experiences for me, 3 just felt like a "good?" game.
I'll start with the easiest thing: Solid Snake is the best, coolest vidya character ever made. When they announced 3 was gonna be about Big Boss i was really exited but what we ended up getting was just Solid Snake if he was written to be a fricking autist by another autist. I just can't love this character and that goes for most of the characters in this game. The Boss? Her whole philosophy is fricking nonsense and unsympathetic, "just be a mindless attack dog for your master bro". Her actions are only redeemable and understandable because they prevent a nuclear war but that doesn't change the fact you listen to her wax poetic about being a pawn. Honestly the most human character in the entire cast ended up being EVA. Oh and Ocelot is good but that goes without saying.
The main bads are all generic mooks with no story. In MGS2 you call someone to find out where to go and you learn that the Vampire guy is actually a gay and was sucking off the father of the chick he's supposed to be banging now, In MGS3 the guy that can turn invisible "because" has a long tongue and can bend his arms backwards. Riveting, engaging stuff.
Most of my issues are actually with the game itself, not the story. I feel it's MASSIVE downgrade from 2. Well first of all the tranq gun is still there and still broken and bypassing half of the games mechanics so that's "great". it dawned on me some years back that every single mechanic introduced in MGS3 was either a resounding gimmick failure or a mediocre gimmick. All feel half implemented, all feel like good concept implemented in the worst way. Camouflage? It's flow breaking menu fumbling with game breaking properties. Medicine? It's just flow breaking menu fumbling with frick all meaning. Use medical tools in what ever order you want, does not matter lol. Use the wrong tools, does not matter lol. Don't use tools at all, you will heal by yourself and even gain more max health lmao. Survival? Oh you better believe it's pace breaking menu fumbling with no meaning. Kill every pokemon you see to turn it into sardine cans. Eat a sardine can when you need diazepam or you get annoyed with the constant stomach noise. Eat something poisonous? East something rotten? Who cares, it does smoking cigarette damage. The only animal that ever poses a threat are crocodiles in water, a one area gimmick. Ammo is everywhere even on extreme but at least on that difficulty you actually have to get silencers from enemies.
Speaking of extreme and enemies, the enemy AI, design and combat mechanics have been so dumbed down from 2 it's hard to believe. In 2 enemies are laser accurate, every shot you take puts you in a stun animation, enemies that respond to alert routinely carry ballistic shields and shotguns, they have bullet proof vests, try to grab one from the front they duck your grab and counter you, etc. In MGS3 getting int a fight is a mild inconvenience. Put on the right suit and enemies can't even hit you half the time, only "grave wounds" stun you, special weapon enemies are single area only gimmick if ever, 90% of the enemies are just the same AK mooks. Even on extreme you take pathetic amounts of damage. MGS2 on extreme unironically feels like a "manage resources and survive" game, MGS3 is the opposite.
Anyway, the list goes on, MGS3 was a game that added lie double the mechanics while somehow dumbing everything down.
TLDR: No and I'm not gonna spellcheck either.
All solid points. I tried it the month it released, but I admittedly rented it as my introduction to the series and then immediately sought out the first two games to play the series in order. I didn't have to wait with bated breath for MGS2 or 3.
I certainly don't think it reaches the same heights that MGS2 did either, but I still love it a lot and can't say that the admittedly excessive menu-ing really took me out of the game much. I also actually liked that Naked Snake was just Solid Snake in a Halloween costume and liked the rest of the cast a lot. I liked that the Cobras were cartoonish "monster of the week" villains, but I just love campy shit like that in general.
I don't disagree, though, that Extreme isn't quite as extreme as one would think with regards to survival and also dislike how Naked Snake just shrugs off most bullets. Thanks for the essay bro, genuinely.
i posted another hot take
To be clear, i don't hate MGS3. MGS3 is a good game, the final entry of "good MGS games" trilogy but i can't say i love it either. Out of all the games it's the only one that depreciated in value with the passage of time for me. Games like 4 even went up in value (slightly) with time for me even though 4 is the game that i hated so much it broke my fanboy spell. 3 is still a much better game than 4.
No, thank you for reading my ramblings anon. They could have been much better written and expanded instead of so b***hy but i don't have the patience.
Oh and the "codec" fricking sucked. Once again EVA is the only good contact. Major Zero rarely has anything interesting to say even though he should be the most interesting character, Sigint is whatever even for "the weapons guy" role, nowhere near as good as Natasha, Snake or even Otacon and finally but definitely not least "movies and eating XD" is just a meme with the worst voice acting in the game. Actually the codec script and line reading can feel very stilted at times, vaguely engrish vibes. Poor voice directing i think. Sure the codec has standout moments but the codec in 1 and 2 had NO dull or awkward moments, they were gold. Take the stuff between Rose and Jack, something underages (me included at the time) memed into being bad. It's some of the best writing and acting in the series.
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HEY I'M TYPIN HERE!
it's a shallow but fun action game mostly celebrated for it's music and boss fights
zoomers discovered it and started making tiktok memes and now it's overhated
Nah it's just overrated in terms of gameplay.
Can't hold a candle to all the actual heavy hitters of the action game genre like DMC and Ninja Gaiden but it sure as frick makes up for it with flair and presentation soul.
Why though? MGR actually made the effort to continue Raiden's storyline instead of just making him a mopey whiny little b***h reciting bad pottery like in MGS4. MGR was a better sequel to MGS2 than MGS4 in just about every way.
Only good MG game, the other are lame shooter trash
Show me a good time Jack!
What was even the point of dogs in MGS3?
Half the time they are asleep. When they are awake they literally have less proficiency at detecting you then the human mooks. When you kill them their body disappears so lol gg. When they agro you can literally outrun them even though you should not be able to. When they attack they just knock you down for pitiful damage and wait for you to get back up and fully recover.
What is the point? How are the wolves in MGS1 more of a threat then the dogs in MGS3?
well it definitely isn't good or fun if that's what you mean
No, PP did.
This is kind of hilarious because 2 and Rising are the best games in the series.
Unironically MGR is the only good Metal Gear game
V killed whatever love I had for this franchise when they got rid of David Hayter. He sounds completely off.
Revengence is so cringe it causes a buffer overflow and wraps around to the highest level of based. Dude dodged a bullet when she unmatched.
Revengeance is a good game but it's story is kind of a dimestore retread of MGS2 and MGS4. Very fun gameplay and music (but you can't take it seriously). It's mostly only popular because of contrarians who want to think they're smart for agreeing with bootleg Solidus, I mean Armstrong
no, mgr is a classic masterpiece that started a cult and meme revolution. kojimba fan boys just salty the best metal gear game has nothing to do with kojimba himself and actually carries a thoughtful social-political commentary, unlike post-ironic insecure kojima's writing. the sheer amount of replies each mgr thread gets just confirms it
Its the last good metal gear game