Is Square Enix the Bethesda of JRPGs? It just seems like they make games for morons with bad taste who get filtered by everything else.
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Is Square Enix the Bethesda of JRPGs?
Is Square Enix the Bethesda of JRPGs? It just seems like they make games for morons with bad taste who get filtered by everything else.
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SE games aren't buggy enough to fully warranty comparison to Bethesda.
They also have 1/100 the gameplay and features. So ya, I’ll take my “simple” Bethesda games over “advanced real gaming” on rails where the user makes zero real choices but is also big free. I’ve played like a thousand hours between Oblivion, fallout, Skyrim and never ran into a bug that wasn’t funny.
Jrpg cope is unreal. I enjoy a Jrpg once in awhile but let’s not pretend they are in the same class as Bethesda games. It’s like comparing tic tac toe to chess. “Well I don’t understand en passant I want a refund!”
Hey play some SaGa
The first rpg I ever played is the first SaGa game on the gameboy. Its an atrocious series and people overinflate its complexity by significant magnitudes.
You're talking to the falcom shitposter who hates SaGa especially and doesn't miss a single opportunity to shit on it.
Have you ever considered that saga is not nearly as good as you think it is
Careful you're going to upset him
No, because I know what I like and unlike you I don't need to look for validation, especially in a place like this.
Why do all SE fanboys construct schizo boogeymen like this?
>Muh schizo boogeyman thoughever
I don't give a shit about Squenix, you most certainly do though
https://arch.b4k.co/vrpg/thread/3172426/#3172744
>calls guy talking about anon his boogeyman
>replies to me with a random archive link
rofl
>guy talking about anon
Meant to write bethesda rather than anon kek
I don't even understand how this post relates to anything
Yeah man skyrim has such engaging mechanics such as "become a stealthy archer" and "craft 500 bronze daggers" and "explore this same copypasted dungeon for the 8th time"
Square Enix is a publisher. They're more comparable to Microsoft or EA because they publish so many different things, and they also don't even limit themselves to just video games. They produce a lot of manga as well, a lot of which is incredibly popular like Fullmetal Alchemist, Soul Eater, or the Raildex franchise.
Even if you limit the conversation to just video games developed by the in-house Square Enix development team, it's massive compared to a smaller-scale studio like Bethesda. Just look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Square_Enix_video_games
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>Real JRPG:
That's not even a real RPG, lmao. Ys 1 and 2 are pure action games.
Bethesda made Morrowind and fantasy playgrounds for modding.
>Bethesda made garbage
Wow!
So no different from squeenix.
SE has a much more diverse portfolio. It has some of my favorite games and some of my least favorite games. Bethesda has 2 IPs people care about and a new one that is universally regarded as mid. I don't think they are comparable.
>It has some of my favorite games
That is unfortunate, I hope you develop better taste some day.
>develop better taste
no way gay
On the side note, have you noticed, how there's almost no falcom presence on the board recently? There was a time when it has been flooded with kiseki stuff, but now - total silence.
>It just seems like they make games for morons who get filtered by everything else
Nah, SE occasionally make good games and have a huge library already. They've made more good than bad.
>Nah, SE occasionally make good games
No they don't. Name a single good SE game made in the past 20 years. At least falcom still puts out a decent game occasionally.
NTA but this is why I never played anything they made after ff10. I am content with my memories of their old shit and have no interest in ruining those memories with their new shit.
If you haven't enjoyed a game in over 20 years your input is not very valuable.
>If you haven't enjoyed a game in over 20 years your input is not very valuable.
I’ve enjoyed plenty of games in the last 20 years but I haven’t played any (new) SE games in that period.
Even if anyone named a game (which you didn't play) you'd just shut them down because all you want is to shitpost online.
That's exactly it. No point in responding to someone who asks you to name a game for them. Especially not on this website.
>if I respond my game will be deconstructed and I'll look like an idiot!
Okay.
See? Right on time.
You don't want discussion, you just want to stir shit to fill the emptiness of your miserable life, no person who earnestly wants to discuss things acts like such a passive aggressive b***h.
Look at the OP. It's a Falcomgay. They're all mentally ill.
Based Mahiru poster, as soon as I see a Mahiro pic, I just assume the poster is high IQ and right.
>At least falcom still puts out a decent game occasionally
it's just YS and The Legend of Heroes rotating
Tokyo Xanadu looks like a Cold Steel clone
I think people just get tired if you constantly shit out follow up games of the same thing
they even try to turn Legend of Heroes battle system into action battle it essentially becoming YS
maybe YS then becomes turn based lol
if they keep going they only make on type of video game anymore which I find hilarious in contrast to how the company started out
YS8 was a huge hit and probably the only genuinely half decent JRPG to release in the last 20 years
Ys 8 is an 8/10 at best. Raging fanboys should not be allowed an opinion. Play more games.
Don't samegay man, it's the best falcom game and it's not even close.
>samegay
Look at the post times, newbie. Alternatively, take your meds.
>it's the best falcom game
That isn't saying much.
It's literally a near flawless game, when people say they don't make JRPGs like they used to, well, they haven't play YS8.
It doesn't have enemy or encounter design. You just spam Flash Guard/Move nonstop. The only thing it has going for it is a solid OST, and it's not even the best Ys OST. It's an 8/10 if I'm being generous.
>It doesn't have enemy or encounter design.
Yes it does, and it has lots of different enemies too.
>You just spam Flash Guard/Move nonstop.
What do you mean spam? It's a timed move. There's a second long timer between the input registering agian.
The game doesn't have a single real timing-based mechanic. You simply dodge into an attack and the activate the guard, which you can spam to refresh the infinite SP during the slowdown. That's the whole combat system. This is how every fight in the game plays out. There's no strategy other than rolling into the enemy. No idea how people can convince themselves this is the best JRPG in the past 20 years.
>The game doesn't have a single real timing-based mechanic.
Except that the mechanic is literally timed, are you moronic? Get better material or no more (You)s.
It is not. You roll into the enemy with huge i-frames and then you spam the guard during the slowdown for infinite SP. That is the game. It has no patterns. Enemy attacks, you roll into it. Repeat. That's the combat system. You're a raging fanboys, and an exceptionally blind one as raging fanboys go.
It’s not even the best Ys game; it’s not even the best party system Ys game
>lists the only ys game hes played, not to mention one of the worst ones in the series
kek
>one of the worst ones
>the most critically acclaimed game is the series is the worst one
Huh?
Square Enix might kinda suck but squaresoft was genius
Bethesda made the best WRPG of all time, and Square made the best JRPG
No black isle is as good as it gets when it comes to wrpgs.
This is just as cringe as liking bethesda, go back to codex
No, that autistic slavic man in his 40s can stay right here if he wants to
No.
Morges Bakery
I wish I had a cute tsundere baker's daughter gf tbh...
>square games are awesome
>bethesda games are awesome
seems like a good comparison to me!
Blessed are the simpletons for they are easily entertained.
Correct. And Nintendo is Activision of JRPGs.
Shitting on Squeenix is not a bad thing, but it puts things into perspective when you do it from the point of view of a falcoomer
Falcom really is pretty good.
Falcomgays are shiteaters with the worst opinions known to man. They're actually below the Nepshitters at this point.
This isn't even a good boss fight and you can't post a boss that's even half as good in a square enix game.
You're right, that's not a good fight. Any Kingdom Hearts data battle is outside the reach of Falcom's developers. Save your predictable response. I already know what it will be word for word, and I scoff at it.
>Any Kingdom Hearts data battle is outside the reach of Falcom's developers.
How? In that fight alone there's like 6 different ways to utilize one ability. Kingdom Hearts combat is just repetitive slop. Every fight is the same.
He won't give a serious answer because squeenix fans are actually braindead and Nomura gays are among the dumbest of them.
>Kingdom Hearts combat is just repetitive slop
Unlike you, I have played both extensively and in no way a fanboy of any developer. There will be no earnest discussion here, only inane fanboyism on your side as displayed here.
Stop patting yourself on the back, moron. It's a terrible look.
>i-it's not me
Irrelevant. This kind of testicle skin suction is pathetic.
>didn't get all the achievements despite all that time
>eurotrash
You can stop there. This is an American board. Go jerk off over mickey mouse on reddit.
Concession accepted. Falcomhomosexuals are deranged. Play more video games.
>Falcomhomosexuals are deranged.
Of course they are, they shitpost in every single SE or Atlus thread, they also made yet another anti-SaGa shitposting thread today too since apparently shitposting in the Mana thread and here just wasn't enough.
For how much they praise Kondo's shovelware they sure are more interested in shitposting against their betters rather than talking about how much they love their games, let alone playing them.
>rather than talking about how much they love their games
careful haha
Anon, how do you have 100+ hours to beat a 6 hour game 3 times? Are square tards for real with this?
He prefers square games because he's a massive shitter obviously.
It's a combination of minimizing the games and playing them several times with, you know, friends and family. Even as we speak I have a game idling in the background. This is a regular thing for me.
See
>This kind of testicle skin suction is pathetic.
Now, post your Inferno completion achievement. You can't. You're a shitter. A raging Falcomfeces fanboy. I played these games before you even knew Falcom existed, lmao.
>shared steam account
this is Hispanic tier holy shit haha
You're not making any sense and are becoming more and more schizophrenic with each utterance. What is you damage?
Does that look like Spanish to you?
>It's a combination of minimizing the games and playing them several times with, you know, friends and family
Did mommy beat it for you?
One thing you Falcomgays have in common is that you cannot argue or carry on a conversation to save your lives. I'm still waiting for your Nightmare/Inferno achievements. As it stands, I'm a bigger authority on these games than you ever will be. Who are you to question my taste in gaming when I'm several levels above you at the very games you're a fanboy of? kek
Why are the dumbest posts always yuropoors? American only chan when? You know they wouldn't dare post this stupid shit if flags were shown.
>It's a yuroplop inadvertently outs himself as a moron episode
I hate reruns.
Yes, yes, schizo. You've already announced yourself. No need to continue doing so.
Post your account name so we can find out how gay you are too
See
Still no answer to this question, he's just sperging out now.
See
>There will be no earnest discussion here, only inane fanboyism on your side as displayed here.
I've played these games more than you have. The difference between us that I'm capable of critical thinking and have never been a fanboy of any kind in my life. What discussion is there to be had with a fanboy?
Meanwhile in the square cuck corner.
Jesus christ lol
You seem to have chosen to ignore my request for confirmation of completion of Ys Origin and Ys: The Oath in Felghana on Nightmare and Inferno respectively and are instead responding to yourself with fervor. May I also suggest your prescribed schizo medication?
What part of that Ys TUTORIAL fight isn't exponentially superior to that kh2 optional super boss lol? You're just making yourself look like dumbass now. I have to agree that europeans shouldn't be allowed on Ganker. Every time someone posts something dumb it's a European, even Brazilians aren't this bad.
Funny. You're posting two separate gameplay videos showcasing gameplay you yourself are capable of actually achieving, and you're using them as arguments as to which game is better. Have I not been correct from the start?
>Unlike you, I have played both extensively and in no way a fanboy of any developer. There will be no earnest discussion here, only inane fanboyism on your side as displayed here.
It's clear you've played neither game at this level, yet are somehow a raging fanboy regardless. In fact, I dobut you've played Kingdom Hearts at all, in any capacity. Such is the way of the Falcom drone.
>muh nationality
Take your meds, /misc/gay. You don't speak a second language nearly as well as I speak English. I'd go out on a limb and say my English-speaking skills are actually above yours, just like my gaming skills in these particular games. Funny.
>Every time someone posts something dumb it's a European, even Brazilians aren't this bad.
Clearly that's untrue, as you've demonstrated.
>he can't answer
lmao you look like a fool
>won't post his origin/oath completion achievements
>rages on anyway
Haha, that's our Falcom drones! I really have played the games of your obsession more than you have, and at a higher level, huh?
>still no answer
>still begging for screenshots after making himself look like a dumbass
Yeah I'm genuinely not sure how someone can praise this.
The data battles are where it's at. Sephiroth has always been a shit fight.
How so lol
The existence of cheese in an RPG is not an argument. I can already tell what it's going to be without watching the video. Limit form Sonic Rave spam? What's next? Lingering Will Fenrir stunlock? How predictable disingenuous fanboys are, lmao.
You've still failed to demonstrate how kingdom hearts isn't absolutely terrible despite all your posturing here
>There will be no earnest discussion here, only inane fanboyism on your side as displayed here.
I've demonstrated that I am a higher authority than yourself on the games of your obsession. Attempting to persuade a raging fanboy intent on shitposting of anything is a waste of time, and once more, and impossibility as referred to in the quote above.
>I've demonstrated that I am a higher authority than yourself
The only thing you did was post a shared steam account and tell us you still live with your parents.
You've already said this in your other posting style, schizo. It was a cope then, it is a cope now. Since you do not play other video games and your sole purpose here is to shitpost, like all mentally ill Falcomgays do, showing that I am actually a higher authority on Ys is the logical course of action. You've had no response to that other than "LOL SHARED STEAM ACCOUNT." Post your completion achievements instead of posting videos of other people playing video games. Oh, that's right. You can't.
Someone else already pointed out said Falcom fanboy behavior days ago.
>your other posting style
lmao what
You alternate between proper punctuation and posting in all lowercase in direct quotes in this conversation. You know what you are and where you come from, schizo.
Are you moronic?
Me? Nah. You? Definitely. Now you're attempting a new shitposting angle after embarrassing yourself. Feel free to actually respond to this post
You got me.
t. anon
KH is KINO but not because of the "action combat" tbh. The action-people are simply the last people talking about KH because everyone else moved on.
This is what made KH3 threads and soon enough KH4 threads annoying. Normal KH enjoyers are there for one thing, "action" players are there for another (making youtube videos of combos in an economy of combo-posting.)
It's pretty much the opposite of Ys which is all about the combat. I don't know why anyone would bring up KH versus Ys. (yes I am double-posting.)
It's pretty good considering they have shovelware tier budget. If the writing in Trails wouldn't go to shit and they actually had some money it could've been good
SE-fanboys have clearly displayed that they are far worse than Bethesda fanboys tbh. And this was in a thread that gave them advantage...Grim
Falcom makes games for hot blooded high testosterone men, so it's no surprise Europeans dislike them.
>dislike
Aww, has babby actually had an internal argument with himself all along? Where did I say I disliked them? I've completed all the Ys games available on Steam at the highest difficulty over the years. I said there are better games. Maybe you should seek to improve that fanboy mentality of yours that interprets everything as a personal insult, or accept that people without fanboy mentalities who play Falcom games also exist. What a clown, lmao.
>the absolute state of SE is represented in its (dwindling) fanboys too
holy KEK
>destroys square gays in a single strike
How did they do it?
>40k copies sold
Too hard for the ff14 audience
>3 platforms
>44k sold
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Falcom games are made by 15 people, they have three seperate teams, one for Ys, 2 for trails, 15 for each. For comparison, the original final fantasy 7 had 150 people working on it.
That's not true at all according to the credits. The full studio of 60+ people work on the games. How is it relevant? Terraria had less than 10 people working on it and sold 40+ million.
Give it a rest, schizo. Juvenile shitposting is desperate and not a good look.
>The full studio of 60+ people work on the games.
It's 15 people per game. Game developement doesn't work like you think it does. Someone on the credits may have been in studio for like a week tops just doing some small thing. Falcom games have very low overhead, which is how they can afford to do interesting things other jrpgs dont.
>which is how they can afford to do interesting things other jrpgs dont.
Such as?
Uhhhhhhh, copy-pasting 27 year old progression mechanics from PS1 games and using outdated anime tropes, and 300k lines of ice cream vendor dialogue.
Such as the reason our local moron can't explain why kh2 has better combat than ys origins. (Because it doesn't)
I'm not that guy, action games are not RPGs in my book anyway so both Ys and KH can frick right off, now answer my question without having another mental breakdown:
What are those interesting things Falcom games do that other JRPGs do not?
>What are those interesting things Falcom games do that other JRPGs do not?
Ys has more interesting, difficult, and experimental combat mechanics than average, and Trails is able to maintain a long ongoing story even though this objectively hurts sales for any game.
Kingdom Hearts and Yakuza re also ongoing stories, and those franchises are growing. Your excuse?
>Kingdom Hearts and Yakuza re also ongoing stories
Kingdom Hearts has only managed 3 direct sequels over many, many years and Yakuza can be picked up from any game, as people just mostly play it for the mini game slop. How this works is that a game releases and a billion spin offs are made of a lesser budget as they are guaranteed to sell less than the original.
Giga cope. There's no real overarching story in Trails. You can start with Sky FC, Zero, Cold Steel 1, Cold Steel 3 and Kuro. These games sell poorly because they're stale, subpar video games. Those consistent 50k sales are the remaining shiteaters who will never leave.
>Kingdom Hearts has only managed 3 direct sequels
As in numbered sequels? All the games fit into the main narrative. You'll be completely lost in KH3 without Birth by Sleep and Dream Drop Distance. The only one that's largely irrelevant is 358/2 Days. You'd know that if you played the games. Yakuza is also set in a consistent universe, game after game. You're trying really hard to make Trails seem revolutionary, lmao.
>You'll be completely lost in KH3
KH3 is a standalone game and it outsold the other games
It can be played as a standalone, but it concludes the Xehanort story started in the previous games. You will be completely lost. That is not the case in Trails unless you start with SC, 3rd, Azure, CS2, CS4, Reverie or Kuro 2, and even then you'll get up to speed by just playing. SC is just the second half one game split into two. As is Azure. And CS2. And CS4. And Kuro 2. 3rd and Reverie are asset flips using ideas that didn't fit into the previous game in the arc with a shallow plot thrown in to sells as full price game.
>You will be completely lost.
The story in KH is shallower than the Mario continuity, Nomura is just word salad that sounds edgy, nothing in KH matters and can be retconned in a blink of an eye.
I don't care about your subjective feelings. You're attempting to shrug off other long-running series to make Falcom seem special. All the games between KH2 and 3 are required to grasp the plot and events of KH3. Nomura is also not the writer. That would be Kazushige Nojima.
Anon...Nomura is one of the (two) lead writers for KH 3. Nojima was not on it.
I like KH so I disagree with the other anon, but you really don't know your stuff.
I'm talking the series in general. Nojima and Oka have been the primary writers. Either way, this is an irrelevant tangent. Point is, you can't say it's not a long-running series with a connected plot. That's the Falcomgay's agenda.
>Ys has more interesting, difficult, and experimental combat mechanics than average
Such as Flash Guard?
I don't really know what you're talking about, the Ys games are extremely archaic in the action game scene, even the first Dragon's Dogma, shitty and unfinished as it is, actually broke new grounds in terms of mechanics by enabling indepth grappling and enemy surface climbing, BoTW popularized Garry's Mod physics shenanigans based on player creativity, FROM's action games focus on in-depth character customization with lots of possible choices from a mechanical point of view, games like Valheim are exploring the possibilities of Voxels in games design...what the frick is Ys doing? Some janky ass cinematic wallrunning at 30FPS in poorly designed cities made of lego blocks? Even Tales handled multiple character combat better than X and did it decades before it.
>Trails is able to maintain a long ongoing story
Trails is not maintaining anything, every single game is the same exact "carrot on a stick" deal where Kondo writes a bunch of nonconsequential bullshit to pad a nonexistent main story that has less meat to it that the first season of Pokemon, the games are incredibly shallow despite their fully episodic format and the only meaningful continuity is seeing some character growing older, for the rest is the same exact boring, bland tripe with every single game, no matter how many hot springs or beach scenes you put in every game.
Which is precisely why the series gets worse and worse with each entry, people are tired of formulaic, unending soap-opera bullshit, something that games like Arc the Lad or Suikoden already did before anyway, and did that better.
So I ask you again, what are all these interesting things other JRPGs aren't doing, because I'm still looking for an answer here.
I see you're STILL seething about this. You've yet to respond to this post
with anything but deflection.
>Since you don't play other video games and your sole purpose here is to shitpost, like all mentally ill Falcomgays do, showing that I am actually a higher authority on Ys is the logical course of action. You've had no response to that other than "LOL SHARED STEAM ACCOUNT."
Post your completion achievements. That's how this works. You're here to shitpost about other games no matter what, so we won't talk about those other games as that would only result in a cycle of what is outlined in this
post. Surely I'm not more educated on the subject of Ys games than you are, right? Go on. Post the achievements. Haha...
Either way, how is it relevant? What point is being made? Indie games regularly sell 40k+ on Steam.
Made by Japanese devs for Japanese culture enthusiasts. Something that SE will never do, same with Capcom etc.
It's pretty much Atlus and Falcom holding the fort for the "big" developers.
Modern Ys is garbage, though. It appeals to no one.
It appeals to otaku. (Ganker is an otaku website)
Then why is nu-Ys regularly ridiculed on this website? Everyone wants the Ark - Origin style of Ys.
>Then why is nu-Ys regularly ridiculed on this website
It's not?
What planet do you live on? Planet Fanboy? People shit on nu-Ys in every thread posted on this board and on Ganker.
Do they though? It just seems like it's you. I'd have to imagine most people here haven't even played the new ys games and niche otaku stuff like falcom has been buried under all the redditor tourists spamming bethesda and squareshit.
Yes, they do. I mean, you're probably the Ys X spammer who had threads for all the pre-release news. You should know.
>Yes, they do.
Where?
>I mean, you're probably the Ys X spammer
I generally don't post about jrpgs, period, because most of them are bad and their fans are extremely unintelligent.
>Where?
Here and on Ganker. Do you think there's always a thread up shitting on the games? They're not that popular. Every time people post the "Japanese humor" scene from Ys VIII, the thread is just a barrage of shitposts about how bad the game is and the series has been since Origin.
>Here and on Ganker
Where????
>Made by Japanese devs for *weebs*
Which is why they sell less 70K in Japan, right?
Truth is not even Japan buys Falcom's shovelware because they're tired of Kondo's bullshit and lack of effort, there's nothing in those games for people who actually care about japanese culture, unless by japanese culture you mean bottom of the barrel anime shit, in which case they're still largely outclassed by other devs.
You talk shit about Squenix or Capcom for supposedly abandoning "japanese culture", yet the latest SaGa games have specific japan coded characters that have actual japanese cultural roots for people who are truly interested in that sort of stuff, not bitter weebs like you who shitpost online every single day about other (better) games and wank your shovelware like the second coming of christ.
>sales
If you want to salespost then clearly Japanese culture is best represented by Apex Legends and gacha. I don't know what the rest of your schizo rant is about but have at it.
Yes, you'd be correct about that given that's the only thing your definition of "Japanese Culture" can entail, popularity with the """"otaku"""" crowd, another thing Falcom games do not have.
If your supposed "TRUE JAPANESE GAMES FOR TRUE JAPANESE PEOPLE" regularly can't even break 70K sales on the domestic market you're not representative of anything outside of the rigor mortis of your company, especially when the games themselves are low effort shovelware to begin with.
The only one desperate to shit on it is you, since you make multiple threads about shitting on that series, on multiple boards even.
After all you made one today too, and given how hard you avatargay in every single thread you're in, clearly, you're the one most desperate for attention.
>The only one desperate to shit on it is you, since you make multiple threads about shitting on that series, on multiple boards even
What lol
>yet the latest SaGa games
Boy you are really desperate for someone to shit on saga.
>truth is not even Japan buys Falcom's shovelware
This is the truth. Ys X sold 44k. Kuro 1 and 2 sold 50k. These are Japanese sales. Trails has seen a huge decline in sales in Japan. Ys has declined since VIII but is at a "stable" 40 - 45k per game.
The Falcomsperg is a notorious schizo in the Falcom General on /fg/ and his severe mental illness has made virtually every regular leave. I didn't know he was actively attempting to destroy this board as well.
>spille
hey i recognize this sperg. he dropped his spaghetti in a trails thread too, posting his achievements and all that.
so this is the power of the eight leaves haha...
>hey i recognize this sperg.
We're at capacity for more schizos, even for a Falcom thread.
but anon...this was a SE thread
Haha...
It's not. It's a Falcomgay shitposting thread. One of many. It has nothing to do with SE.
>salesposting continues
anon...they just announced a few more Kiseki games coming.
And enjoyers of Japanese Culture will enjoy these games too. I suppose you will seethe over them endlessly, but that's your choice tbh.
Yeah, another 50k slopfest, ironicweeb schizo.
Correct. It will sell around 50k and they will profit and then make more games. Also, I am every person you dislike who enjoys Falcom games.
>dude this annual copy-paste is such a surprise
They will continue doing this forever. They make one small pool of assets then recycle them for 3+ games on an annual basis. You're a shiteater. This is nothing to be proud of.
>Also, I am every person you dislike who enjoys Falcom games.
You are the guy sperging about ironic weebs and "Japanese Culture" in response to Falcom criticism. Of course you're the guy facilitating this kind of deranged Falcom shitposting in "off-topic" threads.
What's up with this shit thread? Every single one of you should be ashamed to take part in this tribalgay shit like if you were in a console war.
I disagree
Falcom homosexualry. It's standard fare on this website.
This is a based and educational thread
Yes, here we learn that Falcomgays actually don't REALLY play their games and are just out to shitpost about other games. Still waiting for those screenshots, lmao.
Squeenix has been discussed to death so anyone who hangs around RPG spaces gets tired of hearing about them.
I still think the PS1 FFs are the best RPGs.
>He's still seething
No need for the internal status update. I know. You've yet to actually provide what I ask for.
Kiseki KINO is singlehandedly keeping RPGs alive.
>50k
>alive
Also not an RPG.
Kiseki defines RPG tbh. There are very few RPGs being made these days, and 50% of them are Kiseki games. Another 40% is Ys.
Falcom is singlehandedly keeping RPGs alive.
Trails is incredibly shallow. Daybreak is the most shallow of all. You should make your shitposting less obvious.
Daybreak is not even out anon.
The fan translation has been out for almost 2 years. It's a terrible game.
Go ahead.
>anon who hates Kiseki decided to play fan "translation" of one of the games, ~9 games into the series
very interdasting
How would you know if it's bad or not without playing it, moron? Falcomdrones are the ones who shit on other games without playing them. Shocking, right?
Interdasting...so did you play every Kiseki game? Why did you continue to play them if you hated them?
Are you having an imaginary argument with yourself again? I said the series has shallow gameplay, which it objectively does. The last decent game was Azure released over a decade ago. You shit on other games without playing them, unlike me. That is INTERDASTING.
Did you play Kuro or no? You said you did earlier...but I don't know why you would. You think Falcom games are low quality, yet you decided to play a fan translation of the newest game?
It's a little...interdasting
I don't know if I'd play 9 games from a company I hate and once I did like a month long playthrough shitting on baldurs gate 1 and 2 here. Like a reasonable person knows when to stop and move on, i play more games I like then hate, I wouldn't play biowares entire catalogue because I know it's really bad and gets much worse from there, but here you are at least 9 games in, and the games are super long. Falcom must be really great!
Why do you automatically assume I hate Falcom? Just like the other guy. Trails has 5 good games, 5 mediocre to bad games, and one that's just incredibly dull mechanically. Has fanboyism really reached a point where you're not expected to play games before you shit on them? The absolute state.
Yes? People have said Kuro was a return to form after 5 awful games in a row. It was not.
Interdasting...
If you're an angry fanboy who's yet to play Daybreak, I doubt you'll have the critical thinking skills required to actually analyze the game on even the most shallow surface level and you'll just keep eating shit while defending the direction the series is going.
The chain starts here
The series has shallow gameplay and progression. Kuro is the most shallow of all. You need to take your meds.
What's shallow about Kiseki on nightmare mode?
I'm sure your response will be...
Interdasting
I'm not going down this road. You tell me why you think they're not and I'll counter. You KNOW that each game is just a collection of cheese on Nightmare, and that cheese ramps up considerably in Cold Steel.
Well, you can simply say what the cheese is then tbh. There's no cheese that works universally through-out any of the games.
I dunno, evasion tanks where pretty consistently cheesy throughout Cold Steel at least. I mean, you couldn't go to 100% evasion in 4, but i had 3 characters above 65% with Kurt's subquartz and it was ridiculously effective
>Earth Wall/Grail Sphere spam
>Evasion tank and spark dyne wind bell spam
>delay spam, infinite level 1 artes spam with emma and elliot
>1 to 2-shot s-craft spam with laura and gaius
>evasion tanks, delay and orders that make you immortal
Shit's devoid of actual strategy and relies on cheese. The combat system is puddle deep and broken as frick.
Much of that does not work in much of the fights tbh. Sounds like you read a guide more-so than actually played the games.
Delay especially, simply has 0 percent chance of working against many. But Earth Wall itself comes very late into the relevant games and even then cannot be counted on in, again, the harder fights.
S-craft spam does not work on hard fights either tbh.
Evasion tanks are universally good but they do not win against magic fights. Also, you don't have evasion tanks against late game anyway.
Sounds like a big pile of fanboy cope to me.
>not it not be like that thoughever
It do be like that.
Interdasting...
>against late game
*until late game
Unless we are counting 50% chance of evasion as an evasion tank KEK
Forgot spark dyne, only way you can spam it is with the bell that comes mid-end game and only early if you rush for it...likely following a guide kek
Guide-gays can insist the game is shallow if they want, but they will never clear a nightmare run blind.
I've never used a boss or build guide a single time, fanboy. You appear to lack knowledge about the games you sperg so hard about.
Yeah, your mental state is telling.
You simply can't delay your way through any of the games tbh. It is a 0 percent chance against many enemies, by design. It is 5 percent on others even if you are at max.
Similarly with your other "cheeses". The fact is, you have to adapt to every difficult encounter, which is the opposite of shallow.
Especially since the tool-box you are given is vast.
And of course, if we compare Kiseki's systems to ANY SE system...lol
You can absolutely delay your way through CS1 and 2, and in 2 you don't even need to because Tauros and Domination one-shots almost every boss in the game. Also, you can set up your casters to spam spells with no delay that nothing can resist. The final boss of CS1 literally won't get a turn before Emma or Elliot takes it from 100% to 0% HP. CS3 - 5 get even more braindead with orders and absolute delay.
>And of course, if we compare Kiseki's systems to ANY SE system...lol
No Falcom game is as cohesive and tactical as something as simple as FFX, lmao. But let's not delve into that as it has been established that talking abotu OTHER GAME with Falcom fanboys is an effort in futility and will be met only with the same inane fanboyism.
>No Falcom game is as cohesive and tactical as something as simple as FFX
jesus what a post
It's an objective statement. FFX has a very methodical, tactical combat system with a smooth difficulty curve until you reach Zanarkand, at which point you get Quick Hit and gain access to more broken items to use in Rikku's Mix command. I would suggest playing more games rather than sticking solely to one developer and being mad that other games exist.
>FFX has a very methodical, tactical combat system
No it doesnt lol, none of the FF games have remotely satisfying combat. This is an insane thing to say lmao
>No it doesnt lol
It objectively does. This is not a point of contention. Develop critical thinking skills. Every stat point is meaningful. 4+ Strength has a noticeable impact on physical damage. Every skill serves a purpose. Every character has a role on their default branches. Status ailments and and debuffs are key. It's a well-designed, cohesive combat system that when played right shuts the enemy down entirely. It does not break until you reach the end of the game, at which point you get the aforementioned broken skills, which ironically turns it into something simple akin to Trails.
FFX combat is just a really shitty version of mana khemia, and even then we have games that have done far more interesting things with character swapping like labyrinth of 2hu. why are square fans so ignorant and dumb
Once more the emotional fanboys proves he cannot read and assumes that "FFX has a very methodical, tactical combat system" means nothing superior exists. I haven't played that game, so I'm not going to comment, but FFX, however, predates it by nearly 7 years, so if it's iterative like Lost Odyssey, it will be better. Goddamn, you Falcomdrones truly are unintelligent.
trails is doing something different than ffx. we can only compare them by encounter design, and trails has much more enjoyable encounters than ffx. In fact I don't like a single encounter in that game.
Fanboy, we'll have to directly compare the mechanics of each game and general design. FFX is vastly superior and has a cohesive, logical and tactical combat system where an understanding of how the system works trumps any kind of brute force grind or stacking of stats. You've brought up a different game entirely to say that FFX is bad, and just on the basis that you're a Falcom drone, I'm going to assume that you're way off the mark.
>mana khemia
HOLY BASED
>gust game
Interdasting. So I'm just going to assume it's poorly balanced and not even remotely as cohesive and mechanically sound as the game it's being compared to.
Why are you using counterexamples that came out 5+ years after FFX?
>Why are you using counterexamples that came out 5+ years after FFX?
His estrogen pills impair his reasoning.
What does release date have to do with it? Game age does not matter, what matters is if the games are worth playing now and no FF game is. If the franchise was wiped from the earth nothing would be lost and we'd have far better replacements to play, people might actually have to play some games that aren't shit. You're telling me to play more games and I have played a lot more than you.
>dude this game that (presumably) iterates on an innovative classic invalidates the original and makes it bad
The absolute state of Falcom cultists.
You messed up and actually outed yourself as a samegay, good job.
Incorrect. I'm the one you're having the actual argument with. The two other IPs are someone else. You're coming undone, fanboy. You, once more, choose to ignore counterarguments in favor of irrelevant tangents because you know you can't actually formulate a coherent argument to save your life.
>Incorrect. I'm the one you're having the actual argument with.
You made two posts less than 30 seconds apart. No one starts a post with "And". Get off your phone, its over and you look like a complete fool.
> You, once more, choose to ignore counterarguments in favor of irrelevant tangents because you know you can't actually formulate a coherent argument to save your life.
Schizzy, schizzy, schizo. I'm beginning to think your Mana Khemia comparison is entirely inaccurate. Such is the way of mental illness. Why are Falcomgays like this?
Whatever you say lol
I accept your concession.
Try again.
And more than one person is questioning your moronation, by the way.
for someone that supposedly hates jrpgs you sure do namedrop some pretty insane games constantly
square fans are a cancer and they shit up every board, every single board hates them now
Actually, Falcom fanboys are taking the throne of most obnoxious fandom on the internet. They've dethroned the Smashgays.
>FFX has a very methodical, tactical combat system with a smooth difficulty curve until you reach Zanarkand
LMAO
rotato your potato if you want exp bro
it's a tactical battle system bwotherman, just drop in anyone at any time but make sure they participate! especially the furhomosexual!
Why do people try and catch bullets for Kitase battle systems? Even X-2 crafted lovingly by beloved armpit transformation fetishist is more FF in its game systems than X and that's the title the schizos in the fanbase hate because it's a sequel!
Based, let them hate Square fans.
Square fans hate each other so why should others be excluded from the practice? Enemy of my enemy and all that.
>it's a tactical battle system bwotherman
Indeed it is. You regularly have to rotate your party members as that is how encounters were designed.
>tidus is needed to kill fast enemies and can delay and slow the enemy, buff the team with haste
>wakka is needed to kill flying enemies and can inflict status ailments that shut down enemies that would kill your casters in one hit
>auron is needed to kill armored enemies and can strip armor for the rest of the team with armor break, as well as reduce other enemy stats
>lulu is needed to kill flan and elemental type enemies and can shred enemies with large health pools with demi and bio
>yuna heals and buffs the team and her aeons can take on elite enemies one on one and protect the party as long as she's alive
>rikku can dismantle machine-type enemies for instant kills and can steal and use unique items like grenades and al bhed potions
>kimahri is whatever you want him to be, especially on the expert grid where everyone starts in the middle of the sphere grid
Your personal feelings don't matter. It's one of the more tactical turn-based combat systems in a JRPG where you can completely shut the enemy down and take minimal damage by learning how the game works, rather than ever having to brute force anything with grind. FFX-2 has a good combat system as well, but it's basically just a faster-paced FFV. Everything else about that game sucks. It actually IS a Falcom-style copy-paste, but with an entirely new combat system at least.
weird kitase fanboy
I see schizo moron does not comprehend objectivity. Falcom fanboy for sure.
You only need like 50% inherent evade in CS because you can just cast Shining or use an equivalent to do the rest.
Spellcasting generally isn't that big of an issue in the series from enemies but for the ones that do rely on magic attacks, Crescent Mirror is rather easy to access and setup. Emma has a BO that completely breaks these fights in 3 onwards.
Delay Rean in 1/2 is pretty trivial to setup and has stupidly high efficacy.
Also, only an idiot wouldn't try to stack bells on a character with the corresponding MQ.
Also:
>nightmare in CS games are irrelevant because of enemy stats
holy KEK
>50% inherent is now a low bar
>forced to use low damage master orbments or have someone spamming shining/items on that character
>delay doesn't work on 9/10 of the harder fights
>bells now equal cheese
LMFAO
I guess having fights with different solutions is now a shallow thing. Same with character building. SE-Black folk are hilarious especially since SE games are all "cheesable" (if this is what cheese means now) to a much greater degree. Mime KOTRs your entire gayme.
>criminal + fire bell = no delay fire bolt
>not cheese
lmao
> But Earth Wall itself comes very late into the relevant games and even then cannot be counted on in, again, the harder fights.
You can start spamming E-Wall as early as chapter 3 in every single Sky game as soon as you get Quartz II.Earth Guard is so fast its also insanely spammable even with the 2x speed bonus that bosses have on nightmare.
In Sky 1, nearly every boss fight with minions can be decisively done in by chaos brand except for wolves.
Nightmare in CS games are irrelevant, the bosses don't have the stats to keep up with players insane options.
Only Azure and maybe Sky 3rd(lol grail sphere) are hard on nightmare ng blind run.
>earth wall spam at chap 3
>another character dedicated to EP charging the spammer
>clear fights slower then any other intelligent option while wasting all your cash on ep charges
lmao
I can follow this reply chain up and you literally say all of trails is bad. Now you are backpedaling.
>Trails is incredibly shallow
I think it's time to replay Sky and see if that's true.
Falcom games are not "pozzled".
SE games are "pozzled".
Therefore, Falcom > SE.
And yes, once you realize there are other RPGs other than Final Fantasy, you realize the truth that SE is not special and is going a very bad direction, especially with the "movie-game" called FFXVI. "Simplying" FFXIV because of a small, irrelevant playerbase doesn't want to put the effort into the game also shows they're spineless fricks that do not deserve to make games.
Frick them.
Just wait until you realize Falcom games are no the only JRPGs. You're in for a shock.
No, they manage to leave an even worse taste in your mouth.
>Is Square Enix the Bethesda of JRPGs?
In that they once made great games but now only produce casualised trash?
Nah. They can still develop and publish good RPGs. They have too many studios and development teams to fall into that.
I don't think JRPGs are in a state where a developer can support themselves in the manner that Bethesda & Bethesda game studios have where they only produce casualised, watered down trash. Studios would simply close down, they don't have one or two big series that they can repeatedly release trash on.
Falcom are closer to Bethesda but even they haven't watered down their output enough, if the requirement is 20-22 years since they last developed a good game then Falcom are on track to hit that sometime around 2035 or 2037.
>In that they once made great games but now only produce casualised trash?
Neither ever made great games. They're both kept alive by people who wrongly believe they made great games and continue to buy their trash in the hopes for something that never existed in the first place.
But enough about Falcom.
Not really. Bethesda is a pretty small company for the scale of games they make, and spent years under a shitty umbrella company (ZeniMax), which never probably bothered to upscale and improve their dev cycle. I don't think Microsoft will do much either.
Square Enix's shittiness comes from years of internal mismanagement, wanton spending on AAA-budget game engines that didn't produce hits quite on the level they expected, and a lot of aging talent that's since quit the company or formed their companies and started doing contract work.
Kuro is the most mind numbingly simple game in the series, by the way. It has action combat that kills 9 out of 10 enemies before you can even trigger the stun, and this builds up 200 CP automatically for each turn-based battle, and S-Crafts only cost 100 CP to use, so you can use 2 in a row with each character, lmao. The orbment system was also simplified further and now you don't even have to commit to a master quartz and can just swap artes loadouts while getting the master quartz equivalent effects you want.
AND the action combat is Tokyo Xanadu, but even more simple. You have one basic attack, a stun attack and a dodge.
Let's cover the only "challenging" fights in the series.
>Sigmund - pull him into a corner using Lloyd as an evasion tank then spam Spark Dyne
>Arianrhood - Pull her into a corner using Lloyd as an evasion tank then spam Spark Dyne
>Arios - pull him into a corner using Lloyd as an evasion tank then spam Spark Dyne
Wow.
is this just the ff8 tard having a melty
The irony is that I ignored this thread for 2 days and just came back into it to poop on him, he thinks hes been arguing with the same person this whole time.
Do you need to assign a schizo to the wrongthinkers you encounter?
No, Cold Steel is the spiritual successor to FF VIII so that doesn't make sense.
>Harvestella
>SaGa Scarlet Grace
>Dungeon Encounters
>Strangers of Paradise
>Tactics Ogre Reborn
>Star Ocean 6
>Star Ocean 2 Remake
>Paranormasight
>Bravely Default 2
>Octopath 2
Square Enix is fine. Branch out from FF and the snoozefest that is Dragon Quest. You'll find a ton of great games by talented developers. Square Enix is great because everyone can seemingly make whatever game they want and get a budget for it. And you can FEEL that they love the game they made. Something I rarely feel from Western game studios.
It's a shame that the new CEO is going to cut their better games when they weren't the problem. The marketing was. 4 of the games I mentioned weren't even weeks apart from each other.
Those games suck, you literally posted octopath lmao
see
No anon, explain how octopath isn't complete dogshit. You can't just say whatever you want then deflect all criticism like a 10 year old. How in the world is Octopath any better than FF, what an absurd statement to make.
Explain how it is complete shit and how it is worse than FF15 and 16. All FF games are better than Falcom games, however.
>Explain how it is complete shit
Because it's a disjointed narrative with an atrocious aesthetic that mixes 2d with bloom and blur everywhere and the combat is some of the worst I have ever seen, it's an absolute trash heap of a game.
I enjoy the aesthetic. I enjoy the combat. I enjoy some of the individual stories. It's a 7/10. You're being a dramatic little b***h.
Falcom is Bethesda if Skyrim never went popular
>tfw Kiseki gets new mainline games yearly
>while SE's regular output involves games like Diofield, a singleplayer MOBA
It's understandable why SE fanboys are mad tbh
How can one small developer release full-fledged JRPGs more often than the biggest company associated with the genre?
>How can one small developer release full-fledged JRPGs more often than the biggest company associated with the genre?
It's easy, just push low quality shovelware with absolutely no effort put into anything.
A single asset in from a mainline FF costs more than an entire Kiseki game, for better or worse.
Talking about SE as a whole tbh. I'm sorry that you are stuck with them though I know that must be hard.
>Talking about SE as a whole tbh
SE's entire output brutalizes Falcom, not sure why you're still insisting on this clown show, they release one game a year and it's either Ys or Kiseki shovelware, meanwhile in one fiscal year Square releases 7-10 games on average, and not poorly made asset flips like Falcom's games.
I know you think you're pretending to be moronic in order to stoke fandom wars, but there's a fine difference between pretending and actually being moronic, and you clearly fall in the latter camp.
>7-10 games
I know you're sad anon but those games are not RPGs, let alone JRPGs. I feel for you though, it must be tough constantly waiting for JRPGs from SE.
You're disconnected from reality. The urge to shitpost is too strong.
He's right thoughever
See
>BD2 is not an RPG
>Diofield is not an RPG
>OT games are not RPGs
>LaL is not an RPG
>SaGa games are not RPGs
>Ys is totally an RPG thoughlbeit
Falcomgays are gonna Falcomgay. They're the biggest joke in the entire medium and their mental states are still steeply declining every day.
Who hurt you?
Who hurt YOU? Haha, have you scrolled up?
Releasing super low quality copy-paste asset flips is how they achieve their schedule.
is there a jrpg with good combat
ive been looking for days and everything i read about seems like the complexity level and challenge is set at "redditors and 5 year olds enjoy this"
I don't know, try the Shadow Hearts series for something different. Lost Odyssey has some of the same elements, being made by the same devs.
ATB-active Final Fantasy where you're constantly under-leveled. You've gotta use all you have, and fast. Best battle system there's ever been as long as you don't grind levels.
>is there a jrpg with good combat
Labyrinth of Touhou 2
>is there a jrpg with good combat
Trails of Cold Steel on nightmare difficulty. I loved the combat and character building.
Sakura Wars and Valkyria Chronicles had some pretty challenging levels.
>Trails of Cold Steel on nightmare difficulty.
Haha, yeah... so good.
Good recs. I will also throw in Legend of Legaia.
Legaia devolves into saving the same combination and using it over and over. Especially 2. Good games, though.
I'm glad to find you guys here, I got a weird bug that prevents me from posting on /vg/ and Ganker
Anyway, what's your favourite Thors Branch Campus student? I'd have to say Leonora for myself
Still haven't played those ones tbh, I'm far behind and slow
Jessica. Wish I could've kicked out Musse or Juna for her.
>schizo moron uses a thread shitting on square enix as his new falcom general
holy kek
Falcom will outlive square enix.
They're gonna start making even cheaper games. Kuro 1 was a financial failure. Kuro 2 was a financial failure. Ys X was a financial failure.
Pretty presumptuous to use week 1 sales in Japan to declare that Falcom isn't profiting, when 1. these are franchises with a long tail (a new fan who saw that Kuro was coming out and decides to try the franchise and likes doesn't just buy one $60 game. He buys $600 in Trails games. That's how The Banner Saga trilogy made money even though sales of the last game individually were poor, since again the news of a new game coming out bumped out sales of the entire franchise and thus it was a profit), and 2. Trails is making more money from overseas sales (particularly Korea and China) now.
>(particularly Korea and China)
Haha, you can't even get your basic information from shareholder meetings right, invalidating your takes.
Falcom are mergerbait. They will be absorbed by Sega or Nintendo before they dissipate.
What JRPGs do intellectuals with good taste who don't get filtered by anything play?
>What JRPGs do intellectuals with good taste who don't get filtered by anything play?
FF7 (1997)
palworld
Grandia extreme.
Does this schizo only play SE games? Really weird thread
I see you're confused, as Falcomgays commonly are. Take some time to get a grip on reality.