would be nice if something decent existed
something without a subscription fee, since all that does is encourage developers to make everything watered down and time gated
is the MMO genre dead
would be nice if something decent existed
something without a subscription fee, since all that does is encourage developers to make everything watered down and time gated
Have you ever played F2P MMOs.
They get even less content over time and are usually p2w or have time saverz as leveling is usually 100x slower than ion sub based MMOs.
Sub is the best model. You can just sub when enough content comes out.
No one is forcing you to be an autist or depressed person who dedicated 1/3 of his life to one game.
I sub to FFXIV like once every 6 months and that's usually enough content for me to play for that single sub.
I see you're on the more autistic side of the average Ganker poster. Nothing was said about free to play MMOs. Paying once for the actual game is the only model worth a damn. An expansion down the line too, if those are made/released for it. Y'know, like a regular fricking game.
Paying once is not sustainable if you also want regular free updates.
Also nearly all PAY once MMOs just charge you for major content patches that a sub would cover in sub based ones.
"Regular fricking games" can't satisfy the average MMO addict who complains about time gates and watered-down content since no MMO will ever deliver fresh and quality content every 4 weeks. Sub-based MMOs can't do that, MTX-ridden games can't do that, and you can bet your ass that B2P games can't do that either. MMOs have to rely on recycled content and grindfest mechanics in order to keep the playerbase interested in their death trap.
But to ask OP's question yes the genre is dead, stop poking the corpse and move on.
>No one is forcing you to be an autist or depressed person who dedicated 1/3 of his life to one game.
No but I want to be. If only there were a game worth it.
Yep, maple story 2 and they pulled the plug on it.
For the billionth time, yes, it's dead. Other games as a service products took it over
Lots of old MMOs still have a playerbase for a reason. I wouldn't touch any new release.
Virtual worlds are almost impossible to properly monetize going back to MUDs, take a lot of investment to make and maintain while nowadays a $.99 skin or gacha roll makes them more than a finished game, it's fricked and probably won't be unfricked.
We had a savior, and we let it down. WildStar would have led the world to peace. But instead you get to choose between World of troonyCraft, troony Fantasy XIV, The Pay2Win Scrolls, or Korean shit.
WildStar was literally THE troony game when it came out. What is this revisionist history?
Sure pal.
Wildstar failed because the developers who moronic who thought people actually wanted ridiculously intricate and autistic raid attunement (and also for the incredibly annoying narrator)
>Raidgay game would have saved the genre
The solution to the issues plaguing MMOs today starts with removing raids entirely.
>remove the one thing that makes the games good
Okay zoomer.
>WildStar would have led the world to peace
XD
of course they are. they only worked because there was no social media
I've recently got into ESO again. I think the reason I can stick with it is that's you can play it like a single player RPG.
EVE Online is still playable but only for people who have no job and have been playing it for at least 5 years and have 10 accounts.
Typically though, all MMOs slowly lose their playerbase, and keep alive by pumping the die-hards for increasingly silly prices.
I tried ESO, then I saw that it has like 900 additional content packs and I stopped the download, closed the launcher, and replayed Morrowind.
the monthly sub gets you all of it for the month so no different than the usual i guess.
>EVE Online is still playable
yes
>but only for people who have no job
Only true if you have a 50+ hour workweek and have to commute
>at least 5 years and have 10 accounts
Even someone who has played for only a month can make a difference. I think one of the giant space battles only happened because a new player snuck into a system and shot a thing (https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/the-massacre-of-m2-xfe)
I got by for years with only one account. You don't need multiple accounts. Yes you can make things easier for yourself multi-boxing multiple accounts, but this applies to EVERY MMO.
I'm playing smt imagine though I can foresee some more dumb drama happening that'll make me quit
MMO genre is now 50% cash shop, 50% daily chores
where is the exploration? the sense of adventure? living in a virtual world...
rest in piece
>where is the exploration? the sense of adventure? living in a virtual world...
All this died when optimization and guides became the norm.
Give me 100 mil and I'll deliver the best mmo ever. It's a shame that my billion dollar ideas will never be realized because I wasn't born to rich parents.
The MMO audience got older and the companies that make them didn't change their systems accordingly. They are still under the delusion that their target audience is 13-22 and has all the free time in the world and no responsibility outside of lifing their game. The companies also think that early teens are back-filling the adults that drop out like they used to 10+years ago and they couldn't be more wrong. They need to make big changes or die off completely.
>They are still under the delusion that their target audience is 13-22 and has all the free time in the world and no responsibility outside of lifing their game
that's the exact opposite of who modern MMOs are developed for
what are you talking about? MMOs have turned into daily chores that can be accomplished an hour or two tops specifically to accommodate the aging playerbase who doesn't have all the free time in the world. Dungeon finders, raid finders, focusing entirely on reaching endgame where you do your daily chores over the leveling journey, all of this is for the older player with a job and family
>to accommodate the aging playerbase
this is a lie, MMOs became short daily chores a LONG time ago. Way before the playerbase aged. People are just dumb and ask for things to be easy/trivial. Wrath of the Lich King was full of this kind of content for example
just play good games.
how is the new class? I tried to play back in 2020 but it just didn't feel good for some reason. Maybe playing it for 9 or whatever years was enough
I don't. For mere mortals, the add-on will be available in May for points.
ah. I probably have a billion points because lifetime subscription
Take care of your account. Recently there was a drama that a person was denied recovery even though he provided the support team with all the prufs.
There is an opinion that developers do not like lifetime subscriptions and try to get rid of them for any reason.
what game
lord of the rings online
I don't remember it looking that good
well it's still letting me log in maybe I'll give it a try in a couple months when I have less to do in the winter
But LOTRO is shit
Wow hardcore is super popular and the best thing blizzard made since StarCraft 2
I wanna see blizzard make everything up to Dragonflight f2p when they start their new "saga". Would it bring in hordes of people to try all the old content?
They don't advertise it much but the free trial actually became pretty substantial ever since the level squish. You used to be able to do frick all at 20 but now being capped at 20 basically lets you at like half of the content in every expansion.
aren't you missing most of your spells too though?? or did they make it so you get a ton at that level?
>human with fetishy animal ears
>human but purple
>human
When will MMOs abandon these awfully boring designs? Something like Guild Wars 2 did it RIGHT.
Because no one except furries want to play as anything other than humans for an extended period of time.
>ruined the Charr utterly with that moronic all-fours run
they didn't do SHIT
they're too lazy and don't want to do hats and armor and shit on a bunch of different skeletons
Star Citizen will revolutionise the MMO industry.
RS3 is on life support but OSRS is still doing alright.
Throne and Liberty soon fellow asiatic mmo enjoyers
>asiatic mmo
>enjoy
pick one and only one
if you enjoy mmos, you may as well enjoy asiatic mmos, as there is literally what, one? western mmo on the market atm
more like if you enjoy MMOs, there is nothing on the market right now that appeals to you so you're better off moving on with your life rather than torture yourself trying to fool yourself that you actually like how much MMOs suck now
I've found another way.
JP or KR MMO based novels.
A lot of them are atrocious, but they still quench my thirst for MMO type stuff.
that is somehow even worse
How so?
Reading is nice, and all these stories makes my imagination and "what ifs" scenarios of MMO that will never exist with our technology.
I know reading stuff nowadays isn't that popular, especially in the west, but I personally really like it.
anon... what the frick
>without a subscription fee
A sub is the first barrier to children and idiots. After that is the TOS and GMs who keep the buttholes away. Then you get something actually playable since they're being payed to keep things good. No, F2P homosexualry attracts all the wrong element. Frick off back to your cawadooty server
>children
Didn't stop me as a 12 year old
>idiots
You posted an FFXIV screenshot, you should know that this is not true. All it does it gate third worlders and those are just as bad as frenchies and trannies.
Honestly, it's probably one of the reason I've been playing FF14 for so long.
As someone who experienced 2006-2014 era F2P mmos, they really attracted the worse kind of jackass and immoral fricks.
Actually Black person kind of attitude and other thuggery, like PK, ganks, Zergs, MPK (usually with trains), KS, corpse camping, griefer, and holy shit don't let me start on named and other world boss spawn wars and other racial battle against BRs and chinese farmers.
I'm not gonna lie, I still have some found memories of these situation, but being freed from those was such a nice blessing in retrospect.
I came in FFXIV back in 3.0 when Heavensward released, so it wasn't yet know for all that "fake nice" or whatever people call it, but the community was still absolutely freaking nice in comparison.
Does anyone still play project gorgon?
Since the MMO market has crashed, it might be a good time for small time studios to make their passion projects again. I have no hopes for AAA slop, they don't believe in their products and will inevitably turn to p2w gachafests. Hopefully something good will come in the near future.