Which is funny because katanas are one of the worst swords in history, it's too short and light so good luck hurting anyone with any meaningful protection >inb4 weeb seethe
true, liked katana as a teenager, ran with some in Morrowind and Oblivion etc, then hated katanas in early 20's, but mostly because being exposed to the fedoratipping *teleports behind you* types, now being free of social judgements it is kinda cool again. Sleek looking and with a high "cool" factor. (on the other hand every person who talks about european style medieval weponry looks like a a ugly hobo in a historical outfit)
Quite the contrary. Katanas are way heavier than a normal longsword. The average katana weights around 5 kilos, a longsword 2-3. They are also longer than the average longsword, with their handle being up to one fourth their length. Not ti mention their two handed version
> They are also longer than the average longsword
Actually, no. They are usually shorter than the average longsword. Which is an arbitrary comparison anyway; they are far shorter than the rapier. See I can do it too!
given that the japs were barely topping 5 feet tall in the edo period, they were quite long for the time. and they're built to excel and cutting soft flesh, which is what most samurai ended up doing with them, just chopping down rebellious farmers who had no armor
that is, when they weren't getting their platoons of spearmen or bowmen to just shank them/riddle them with arrows
>judging a fish by its ability to climb a tree
no shit dumbass, it wasnt made to go up agains knights in thick plated armor it was meant to slash flesh and weak samurai armor.
Katanas are bad because they're heavy and thick as dicks. Thick sword = you need to move more armor/flesh out of the way to cut through it = worse cutting performance.
Quite the contrary. Katanas are way heavier than a normal longsword. The average katana weights around 5 kilos, a longsword 2-3. They are also longer than the average longsword, with their handle being up to one fourth their length. Not ti mention their two handed version
Pounds, not kilos.
Don't care if it's strong or weak.
It's lame. It's just a light, nimble weapon with very little crushing power. Doesn't feel fun to use. I like weighty weapons.
Frick whoever on the Zomboid dev team made this the most OP weapon in the game. Like how exactly is a Katana supposed to hit harder than a SLEDGEHAMMER???
>meaningful protection
WHOA, YOU'RE TELLING ME A LARGE PIECE OF SHARPENED METAL WON'T KILL SOMEONE IF I GIVE THEM TIME TO OUT ON AN ENTIRE SUIT OF FULL BODY ARMOR?
WWWHHHOOOAAA
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People idolize old cars (Ferrari 250 LM / Mercedes-Benz 300 SL) and weapons (Colt 1849 Revolver / 44. Smith & Wesson) even though newer models are objectively better. The katana doesn't have to be the best sword to be appreciated, like how people pay 20m+ for a car that could be outpaced by a civic.
New cars have spyware, are subsceptible to hackers and have fricking pay to win purchases. Not kidding. There are cars where you need to pay a monthly subscription to unlock features already built into the car.
Electric cars are a lie because most of the electricity comes from coal plants.
>A-ACKSHUALLY KATANAS WERE WEAK
Doesn't matter, nips clearly won this cultural battle no matter how much you repeat this, pretty much everyone nowadays associates them with coolness and impossibly strong slashes
Don't care if it's strong or weak.
It's lame. It's just a light, nimble weapon with very little crushing power. Doesn't feel fun to use. I like weighty weapons.
Frick whoever on the Zomboid dev team made this the most OP weapon in the game. Like how exactly is a Katana supposed to hit harder than a SLEDGEHAMMER???
Katana is a slashing weapon best used on unarmored things, if anything it's only right that katana is considered one of the most OP shit in zombies and modern urban settings.
Ever heard of this thing called bones? Have fun maintaining your chipped to shit edge in a post apocalypse. Blunt weapons are king, you're just about never going to break or chip a war hammer.
To be fair, this is actually reflected in the game.
The Katana has hald the durability of a baseball bat, much less than a crowbar or axe and can't be repaired unlike most other weapons.
I think a (twohanded) Crowbar should hit harder than a fricking Katana. The crowbar has a lot more mass and more of the mass is towards the striking end meaning it will hit harder.
And while I get that the sledgehammer is too heavy, it should at least do more raw damage than a katana. It's 3 times heavier and all the mass is in the head as opposed to the handle.
Think of it like it's one of those 2k katanas that can cut through stuff super easy.
My problem with katanas is video games is that anyone can pick one up and instantly knows how to use it. The katana takes alot of skill to use otherwise it's pretty shit weapon. Unlike a sledge hammer or crowbar were as long as you have the muscle for it you can use it.
>My problem with katanas is video games is that anyone can pick one up and instantly knows how to use it.
It's a sword, anon, the "skill weapon" standpoint makes no sense at all from a historical context and is immensely fiction-oriented.
It would take more skill than something like a hammer or baseball bat. Blades need proper edge alignment in order to cut through hard objects properly
t. meatcutter
7 months ago
Santa Claus
Strenght:
Hammers
Axes
Maces
Clubs
Quality:
Polearms
Halberds
Spears
Bows
Crossbows
Dex:
Swords
7 months ago
Anonymous
You aren't cutting through armor with a sword, you're cutting cloth and flesh, bone is about as difficult as it gets and that's not actually what you're aiming for with a sword.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>that's not actually what you're aiming for with a sword
True, you'd probably be aiming for joints or the neck against zombies, which would be difficult to cut without proper edge alignment. A mace would just smash it.
It hits hard, but a slash has more leg if there is no modern medicine avaiable. Very easy to get infected and closing it up would be a nightmare. So if its a battle of attrition between groups, slashing or thrusting weapons are better while if you are by yourself, the blunt weapons are very much better.
Broken bones are quite hard to threat. I tgink that infections can be warded off by sticking a hot iron into the wound. Threating a fractre is far more difficult than sewing a wound and the bones won't grow together properly if you don't get proffesional threatment, crippeling you for life.
You also have to take helmets, bullet proof vests and the sturdy army jackets (50% scratch resistance) into consideration. Even if they can't stop the blade, they will likely damage it.
not the strongest per hit per se >but generally in the top 30% damage wise >while being in the top 20% attack speed wise >having range in the top 30% >and having a moveset that simultaneously has good vertical, horizontal, and flat distance reach >while typically having some other effect like bleed
t dark souls PvP no lifer for all the games and would go weeks without losing a match
after DKS2 I stopped using katanas because I couldn’t even pretend there was a challenge, they are unironically good at everything and best in some categories, it’s bullshit to be good at a poke style as well as an aggressive style and good at shield penetration with that reach
thanks for reading my blog
If I made a game, I would make katanas the lightweight weapon that is easy to use for non combat classes and very low level warriors, while the true warriors get axes, hammers, polearms and bows/Crossbows for the ranged classes.
You can extend this to Ganker discussing any type of pre modern weaponry or armor and further beyond. The amount of shit that gets passed as a fact by clueless people here is ridiculous, you would be better getting your info from D&D playerbook.
>play any vr shooter >90% chance it has melee >80% chance that one of the melee choices is a katana or some weird cyber-katana >a tenth of the playerbase is kids running straight forward with it because they haven't developed precise enough motor function to use a gun, feeding kills to everyone else
how does this happen every single time
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.
Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:
(One-Handed Exotic Weapon) 1d12 Damage 19-20 x4 Crit +2 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork
(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon) 2d10 Damage 17-20 x4 Crit +5 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork
Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.
The REAL answer is that swords are cuckold weapons that don't deserve their misplaced popularity.
Across all civilizations, the SPEAR and it's variations have been superior, while swords have been relegated to ceremonial purposes and idiots who fell of their horses, usually both.
this honestly. i dont know why spears get almost literally zero love in games. they are fun and if you are a competent dev you can absolutely make it fun and satisfying to use.
this honestly. i dont know why spears get almost literally zero love in games. they are fun and if you are a competent dev you can absolutely make it fun and satisfying to use.
Spear collision detection takes more effort to implement and isn't as flashy
Probably any kind of revolver
Katanas are popular because they look cool and unique compared to other swords same for revolvers when compared to other handguns
They both also have the same bullshit "quick draw faster than the eye" superpower in fiction (but the quick draw for revolvers is actually real)
>Stongest melee weapon in the game >Because all the other melee 'weapons' are actually improvised tools, sporting goods, and kitchen wares. >But also for some reason on par with a golf club.
signs your game will be pure ludokino
Which is funny because katanas are one of the worst swords in history, it's too short and light so good luck hurting anyone with any meaningful protection
>inb4 weeb seethe
Boys like katana
Teenagers hate katana
Men like katana
This, I had a HEMA phase but again I grew to love the katana and especially odachi. Not for performance but flashiness and style.
true, liked katana as a teenager, ran with some in Morrowind and Oblivion etc, then hated katanas in early 20's, but mostly because being exposed to the fedoratipping *teleports behind you* types, now being free of social judgements it is kinda cool again. Sleek looking and with a high "cool" factor. (on the other hand every person who talks about european style medieval weponry looks like a a ugly hobo in a historical outfit)
Quite the contrary. Katanas are way heavier than a normal longsword. The average katana weights around 5 kilos, a longsword 2-3. They are also longer than the average longsword, with their handle being up to one fourth their length. Not ti mention their two handed version
>5 kilos
uh
No
Lol bull shit. Pic related buck breaking katana so bad it's not even funny
> They are also longer than the average longsword
Actually, no. They are usually shorter than the average longsword. Which is an arbitrary comparison anyway; they are far shorter than the rapier. See I can do it too!
28 inches isn't so bad when you consider they were like 5 foot 1
given that the japs were barely topping 5 feet tall in the edo period, they were quite long for the time. and they're built to excel and cutting soft flesh, which is what most samurai ended up doing with them, just chopping down rebellious farmers who had no armor
that is, when they weren't getting their platoons of spearmen or bowmen to just shank them/riddle them with arrows
>one of the worst swords in history
the backlash against the Katana has become so exaggerated, it's become just as delusional as the original mall ninja fetishization
>judging a fish by its ability to climb a tree
no shit dumbass, it wasnt made to go up agains knights in thick plated armor it was meant to slash flesh and weak samurai armor.
It would be great if it was magically unbreakable in real life as it is in games.
I dont even care, not like I'm gonna actually fight with it.
It's just a timeless design, similar to Colt 1911.
it's meant to cut down peasants or at most wooden armor, they weren't exactly fighting knights in full plate during the sengoku period.
>light
No.
Katanas are bad because they're heavy and thick as dicks. Thick sword = you need to move more armor/flesh out of the way to cut through it = worse cutting performance.
Pounds, not kilos.
Well stop getting your katanas from Wish.
>meaningful protection
WHOA, YOU'RE TELLING ME A LARGE PIECE OF SHARPENED METAL WON'T KILL SOMEONE IF I GIVE THEM TIME TO OUT ON AN ENTIRE SUIT OF FULL BODY ARMOR?
WWWHHHOOOAAA
W
W
H
H
H
O
O
O
A
A
A
People idolize old cars (Ferrari 250 LM / Mercedes-Benz 300 SL) and weapons (Colt 1849 Revolver / 44. Smith & Wesson) even though newer models are objectively better. The katana doesn't have to be the best sword to be appreciated, like how people pay 20m+ for a car that could be outpaced by a civic.
New cars have spyware, are subsceptible to hackers and have fricking pay to win purchases. Not kidding. There are cars where you need to pay a monthly subscription to unlock features already built into the car.
Electric cars are a lie because most of the electricity comes from coal plants.
Uchigatanamaxxing
which is inaccurate since katanas were only used as sidearms during the sengoku period.
>A-ACKSHUALLY KATANAS WERE WEAK
Doesn't matter, nips clearly won this cultural battle no matter how much you repeat this, pretty much everyone nowadays associates them with coolness and impossibly strong slashes
>grown man in his 30s
>still trying to decide which katana to purchase online
I know plenty of old people who collect guns. I don't like guns, I like swords.
Don't care if it's strong or weak.
It's lame. It's just a light, nimble weapon with very little crushing power. Doesn't feel fun to use. I like weighty weapons.
Frick whoever on the Zomboid dev team made this the most OP weapon in the game. Like how exactly is a Katana supposed to hit harder than a SLEDGEHAMMER???
Katana is a slashing weapon best used on unarmored things, if anything it's only right that katana is considered one of the most OP shit in zombies and modern urban settings.
Ever heard of this thing called bones? Have fun maintaining your chipped to shit edge in a post apocalypse. Blunt weapons are king, you're just about never going to break or chip a war hammer.
To be fair, this is actually reflected in the game.
The Katana has hald the durability of a baseball bat, much less than a crowbar or axe and can't be repaired unlike most other weapons.
I think a (twohanded) Crowbar should hit harder than a fricking Katana. The crowbar has a lot more mass and more of the mass is towards the striking end meaning it will hit harder.
And while I get that the sledgehammer is too heavy, it should at least do more raw damage than a katana. It's 3 times heavier and all the mass is in the head as opposed to the handle.
Think of it like it's one of those 2k katanas that can cut through stuff super easy.
My problem with katanas is video games is that anyone can pick one up and instantly knows how to use it. The katana takes alot of skill to use otherwise it's pretty shit weapon. Unlike a sledge hammer or crowbar were as long as you have the muscle for it you can use it.
>The katana takes alot of skill to use otherwise
You watch too much anime, homie.
No that's actually true if you use it wrong you'll frick it up quickly, like quicker than a longsword just because of its construction.
>My problem with katanas is video games is that anyone can pick one up and instantly knows how to use it.
It's a sword, anon, the "skill weapon" standpoint makes no sense at all from a historical context and is immensely fiction-oriented.
It would take more skill than something like a hammer or baseball bat. Blades need proper edge alignment in order to cut through hard objects properly
t. meatcutter
Strenght:
Hammers
Axes
Maces
Clubs
Quality:
Polearms
Halberds
Spears
Bows
Crossbows
Dex:
Swords
You aren't cutting through armor with a sword, you're cutting cloth and flesh, bone is about as difficult as it gets and that's not actually what you're aiming for with a sword.
>that's not actually what you're aiming for with a sword
True, you'd probably be aiming for joints or the neck against zombies, which would be difficult to cut without proper edge alignment. A mace would just smash it.
It hits hard, but a slash has more leg if there is no modern medicine avaiable. Very easy to get infected and closing it up would be a nightmare. So if its a battle of attrition between groups, slashing or thrusting weapons are better while if you are by yourself, the blunt weapons are very much better.
Broken bones are quite hard to threat. I tgink that infections can be warded off by sticking a hot iron into the wound. Threating a fractre is far more difficult than sewing a wound and the bones won't grow together properly if you don't get proffesional threatment, crippeling you for life.
You also have to take helmets, bullet proof vests and the sturdy army jackets (50% scratch resistance) into consideration. Even if they can't stop the blade, they will likely damage it.
not the strongest per hit per se
>but generally in the top 30% damage wise
>while being in the top 20% attack speed wise
>having range in the top 30%
>and having a moveset that simultaneously has good vertical, horizontal, and flat distance reach
>while typically having some other effect like bleed
t dark souls PvP no lifer for all the games and would go weeks without losing a match
after DKS2 I stopped using katanas because I couldn’t even pretend there was a challenge, they are unironically good at everything and best in some categories, it’s bullshit to be good at a poke style as well as an aggressive style and good at shield penetration with that reach
thanks for reading my blog
>description: comes from a mysterious land in the East
If I made a game, I would make katanas the lightweight weapon that is easy to use for non combat classes and very low level warriors, while the true warriors get axes, hammers, polearms and bows/Crossbows for the ranged classes.
Ganker discussing katana
You can extend this to Ganker discussing any type of pre modern weaponry or armor and further beyond. The amount of shit that gets passed as a fact by clueless people here is ridiculous, you would be better getting your info from D&D playerbook.
Main weapon for samurai is long bow, then spear, you only use katana to cut someone's neck.
>is the strongest gun in the game
>play any vr shooter
>90% chance it has melee
>80% chance that one of the melee choices is a katana or some weird cyber-katana
>a tenth of the playerbase is kids running straight forward with it because they haven't developed precise enough motor function to use a gun, feeding kills to everyone else
how does this happen every single time
/v/ros gimme some games where katana is god and I can slice some homies
Try out Super Samurai X
Every soulsshit game ever
Zomboid, if you ever find one.
World of Horror
It's probably not what you're looking for but World of Horror
But why not Super Samurai X?
Samurai Warriors 2
i really hate that developers keep putting these in games with western aesthetics and making them strong too. looking at fromsoft here.
And it's always either named "Masamune" or "Muramasa" too. Like every fricking time.
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.
Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:
(One-Handed Exotic Weapon) 1d12 Damage 19-20 x4 Crit +2 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork
(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon) 2d10 Damage 17-20 x4 Crit +5 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork
Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.
I have some suggestions for improvement:
Tanto: 1 damage
Wakizashi: 1 damage
Katana: 1d4 damage
Nodachi = 1d6 damage
Nagamaki = 1d4
The REAL answer is that swords are cuckold weapons that don't deserve their misplaced popularity.
Across all civilizations, the SPEAR and it's variations have been superior, while swords have been relegated to ceremonial purposes and idiots who fell of their horses, usually both.
this honestly. i dont know why spears get almost literally zero love in games. they are fun and if you are a competent dev you can absolutely make it fun and satisfying to use.
Spear collision detection takes more effort to implement and isn't as flashy
gayest sword in the world. only weebs and gays are into katanas.
For me? It's the leaf bladed sword.
Big Knoif (AKA Krautana) bros, ww@?!
Rapiers are cooler than katanas as the "dex sword"
But you are not ready for this conversation yet
Rapier is peak dex, yeah. Japan's fantasy industry has done major damage to vidya.
That rapier looks like it was made for a giant.
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What is the Katana for guns?
The revolver
desert eagle
Probably any kind of revolver
Katanas are popular because they look cool and unique compared to other swords same for revolvers when compared to other handguns
They both also have the same bullshit "quick draw faster than the eye" superpower in fiction (but the quick draw for revolvers is actually real)
I already said, it's the Colt 1911
1911 probably, most overrated handgun ever
>cyberpunk 2077
>role-playing a samurai looking for a worthy opponent
>99% of enemies are using guns
Should've roleplayed as a Cyborg Ninja instead
No.
I do not need more.
>Stongest melee weapon in the game
>Because all the other melee 'weapons' are actually improvised tools, sporting goods, and kitchen wares.
>But also for some reason on par with a golf club.
I bet a farming Mattock hits harder than a Katana.
I mean, it would, but a good hit with a mattock would actually hit harder than any sword because it's applying a lot of force over a smaller area.
So much to
>Because all the other melee 'weapons' are actually improvised tools, sporting goods, and kitchen wares.
Don't underestimate improvized weaponary only because they are slightly worse than real weapons.
For me, it's the flamberge.
>katana is the strongest weapon in the game
based
>revolver/heavy cannon hand gun is the strongest weapon in the game
based
Is the fact that Katanas are legit some of the strongest weapons and builds in Cyberpunk 2077 based or cringe?