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Is there a gaming crash?
No crash but a pretty big correction as companies realize infinite growth is fricking moronic
>as companies realize infinite growth is fricking moronic
lol they'll never realize this
They already do but they just merge and pretend it is helping.
bullshit
governments keep imploding by using fiat and youre getting the current housing market
when will the second age of enlightenment start?
they know about it but they can't do anything about it with henry ford vs. dodge brothers in the way
the decision in that case would have to be repealed for business to improve in any manner
But they won't. They'll run their companies into the ground and blame consumers before they'd ever admit it's not an exponential money printer
infinite growth is possible if you just bail them out every time they frick up
That isn't what infinite growth is. Bail outs mean catastrophic losses. Most never recover from a bail out. People thought Activision Blizzard were invincible. They are being salvaged as spare parts now.
More like it's a correction because of interest rates changing now that the obvious covid bubble popped
anon...the correction and layoffs are specifically to improve growth...every public company has a fiduciary duty to their shareholders to make the most profit possible and always consistently try to grow.
corporations should unironically go private, Investing in shit should be banned.
Youre probably right. Publicly traded companies are generally dogshit because investors don't actually know what their customers want because their customers arent investors.
yeah, investors should only be throwing money behind something because they believe in the product not because they think it will be a quick and easy return for profits. the stock market needs to be abolished for american society to truly heal but rich gays won't shut off their zero sum money printer where they can steal from the poor.
You know you don't HAVE to be a publicly traded company, right? Every single company listed on the stock market wants to be there.
yeah and it's a trap that ruins every company that falls for. valve not being publicly traded is why they can remain somewhat based. some of the indie devs that aren't like supergiant still put out good games. and another good example is larian. most other devs have been bought out by some larger publisher that is publicly traded and that's when everything goes to shit. look at what happened to blizzard.
>You know you don't HAVE to be a publicly traded company, right?
That is dicey, and a reason why those humongous AAA budgets are a problem.
If you want to make a game of those proportions you'll need millions before there is one line of code written.
And if you dont have it and yet want to play in that league?
You are likely to NEED the public traded bullshit, and have to deal with the banker clowns trying to tell you how to best milk gamers.
they make more money if they go public. money's usually the end goal.
Not anymore. There is literally zero oversight over the US fraud market. It's just a free for all for short sellers. Taking a company out of private is a death sentence when "they" decide to pull your plug
that's the investors losing money to the banks. most of the executives aren't taking pay cuts.
I wish, that'd probably fix a lot of issues.
i don't think you understand how these words are used in business. layoffs improve profitability, not growth. they are often opposites in contrast when a company has to choose one over the other.
and there is actually no such "duty" for the company's officers. they'll just be fired if they upset the institutional shareholders who control the board. and also, much of an officer's pay is in stock, so if the CEO doesn't drive the value up, he's losing money personally so is usually self-interested to return positive numbers all the time.
Companies don't exercise fiduciary responsibility by laying off hundreds of people in the country (coincidentally, simultaneously as hundreds of other companies do the same, all in the same industry)
Fiduciary responsibility doesn't answer for this anon.
>No crash but a pretty big correction as companies realize infinite growth is fricking moronic
they know it but going public is a devils bargain and you need that infinite growth or get sued by shareholders.
>He thinks video games will finally be the thing to make people question capitalism
kek
>correction
Except games will continue to get worse and take longer to develop with worse optimization and further predatory practices despite all these studios shedding weight.
Company value is based on growth. They have no choice but to pursue growth.
Have they tried using more synergy?
>as companies realize infinite growth is fricking moronic
lol
lmao
Even if they realized this (which honestly, some of them probably did a long time ago), they have to run the hamster wheel or die trying.
What this fricking economy needs is another Great Crash on Wall Street. When people are ready to skewer the stockholders, then change will come.
>pretty big correction as companies realize infinite growth is fricking moronic
these companies are dying. that is the market crash
Pfft hell no they won't, it's their entire driving principle. All this means is that someone gets turned into the scapegoat for the loss that will occur, and then the ones that are left will start growing the value again.
They're not going to realize this, they're just going to fire people until they bring profits where they want them to be
Ironically, Nintendo is probably going to be fine. They might even thrive if other major companies start crumbling right when the Switch 2 releases
>cash in on esg and disregard audience, and expanding profiteer racketing
>esg takes a step back to rebrand
>game devs collapse because players have no faith in the company's games anymore
Infinite growth, at some level, is necessary. If you cant keep up with inflation you might as well be on a downward trend. The issue is that the rate at which companies think they need to grow way outpaces inflation.
all you need to keep up with inflation is to keep game price matched to inflation
You think people are gonna go for 100 dollar games at retail (plus all the microtransactions, pre-order shit, deluxe editions etc)? Ubisoft tried to justify 80 bucks for their latest turd and people already balked hard at that
then keep game budgets in reverse relation to inflation. games are cheaper and easier to make than ever, just stop making eleventy billion dollar cinematic capeshit with photorealistic textures and all-star acting cast, go back to games like ape escape
>growth bad
Death to commies. I'd rather 100 more years of gachas and ESG games and microtransactions and nickel dime DLCs and current AAA game "quality" than 1 second of communist tyranny.
In capitalist utopia you need to grow 5% a year just to stay in the same spot after inflation
How’s that boot taste corpo drone?
Anon im sorry but Shareholders would rather personally burn this entire planet down before losing profits
They will never stop. Crash 2: electric boogaloo is literally the only way things will get better.
The whole point of publically traded corporations is infinite growth. They will keep trying, and keep failing, because the premium games market is limited in terms of player base.
The only way to grow would be to somehow convince mobile gays to play premium games, but those guys are used to free shit, and were comparing about the price of re8 on iPhone, for example
Wasn't RE8 $20 on iPhone? That's a pretty good deal for a relatively recent AAA game you can play anywhere.
>realize infinite growth is fricking moronic
lol
lmao
>as companies realize infinite growth is fricking moronic
aahahhahahahaha
Infinite growth is possible because the universe itself is infinite. Well, the observable universe is finite but it's so large that might as well be infinite for us.
No you are moronic
stagnation is death
humanity is destined to conquer everything
Death is also apart of humanity
Level 1:
Level 2:
Level 3:
Central banks cause companies to pursue infinite growth instead of sustainable growth.
>correction
Towards more GAAS. You stupid fricks.
Never gonna happen
Every executive on the planet would rather run their company into the ground and give themselves a golden parachute to some other position at a different company, than to attempt to turn a company around and stop hyperfocusing on short term profits
Only in the west. Game companies in Asia are doing fine.
European companies are mostly doing okay too except those that Embracer bought, but Embracer was a get rich quick scheme that wasn't supposed to be sustainable business to begin with. That being said in Europe it is due to much lower gamedev wages, it is bonkers how much more some professional victim diversity hire in California makes when compared to an actual programmer in Poland.
CDPR knows how to keep it's slave mines going.
pretty much, these other companies need to cope
lol no Sega and square are getting mogged hard.
>sega and square
good riddance
>square
I want them to go, literally all their games have been shit past decade, totally out of touch with the industry.
>The ones sucking western wiener are getting mogged hard
Good
Square Enix is back to normal actually.
It's only SEGAY but their new RGG and Persona 3 make did well, controversy aside.
>american vultures
Square deserves it unironically
>getting mogged hard
It's about to worse.
Pic related doesn't even take into account the hundreds of millions lost on Hyenas btw, which wasn't one of their "super games"
It's going to be a shame to see sega die for real in my lifetime but it will be really entertaining to see the super game arc. Hopefully they go out with a bang.
SK studios are shutting down left and right, China's game dev landscape is an unironic killcoaster with tens of billions of dollars appearing and disappearing every other week thanks to moronic back and forth policy.
You mean "Japan" and they're not doing too hot either. Sega just lost a couple hundred million on a series of flops, Konami's IP retention is at an all-time low with Yugioh finally, for the first time, taking a dip, and Sony just announced it's going multi-plat and there probably won't ever be a PS6.
The reason you don't see meme headlines with Japanese studios is because of their labor laws preventing layoffs and the fact that most Japanese companies have huge liquid reserves specifically to sail over hard times, neither of which happens in the West for Some Weird Reason.
Don't forget that Bamco's stock just hit low records, the only ones who aren't fricked are Capcom and Nintendo everyone else is fricked one way or another.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo were stewing behind the scenes too, but they have a silver bullet in the form of the Switch 2.
If that launches and flops, we'll definitely see the sweat. But until it does, I doubt Nintendo would reveal if things were dire or not.
I reckon Switch 2 will see a similar path to the PS5 in terms of hardware penetration. Games will be better of course but I think we've reached the limits of the console markets in the modern era in both handheld and home formats with the Switch and PS4.
We're about to see the handheld market get flooded. Deck 2, Switch 2, portable/hybrids from Sony and Microsoft and various UMPCs. Couple that with phones getting increasingly stronger and it's easy to see the Switch 2 not hitting anywhere near the Switch 1's sales total. Right now Nintendo has a pseudo monopoly but that's going to change very quickly.
moron
Deck isn't even avalible worldwide and the other alternatives are at the least twice price the Nintendo console.
Seriously, those who thinks that Deck is an alternative live in a different world.
It's not an alternative since it's a PC not a console, but it does eat away at time spent in the Switch ecosystem. Just like the Switch competes against other entertainment forms. It's about attention
but is avability makes it a non issue to Switch since it is contained in a niche so it really doesn't eats away much attention.
True. But those other handhelds will be available outside of just the USA, Europe and East Asia
Those three areas make up like 99% of sales for entertainment. Everywhere else is frankly irrelevant.
Unless you're another anon, you just proved his point
>unless you are another anon
I am in fact.
again, those handhelds are ven a bigger non issue because with Declk you can make the argument that the correlation price/Quility is damn close to Nintendo's and is without a doubt the biggest "contender" on that issue, the other's while more avalibel than Deck they ar by FAR more expensive and at that point you might as well get a "proper" console.
Nintendo is indirectly impacted by all of those since they work heavily with and rely on Banco and other Japanese Devs to outsource
>neither of which happens in the West for Some Weird Reason.
Dunno maybe the japanese still have a tad of that old "the company is the home" attitude left. The west sure as hell does not, lel.
which SK studios are shutting down?
Sony said the exact opposite, that the PS6 is coming sooner than expected.
No japanese game companies doing the lay-off.
They are restructuring on more quality games, and their games sell well.
Cope more beyatch.
gachas are closing left and right and bandai namco is having huge issues right now thanks to blue protocol flopping.
>thanks to blue protocol flopping.
Serves them right for censoring it due to amerikeks crying and amazon pandering. It's like they're incapable of taking 5 minutes and talking to the game designers.
>why did you make the character look like this?
>because that's what i and the audience likes
>oh okay, then we better not censor anything
>yeah pretty much
It takes less than 30 seconds to have that exchange and they don't have it because they're morons and deserve to go bankrupt.
>make anime mmo
>there is a high-chance a lot of people will play it just for the anime style and fanservice
>frick all of that up to pander to a fringe group that who would never consider playing this kind of game in the first place
>it flops
Imagine being this moronic, they really deserve this. There are mmos who flopped for getting less wrong. My favorite part is that they originally planned to release the game globally at the same time and then delayed it for a fricking year to "localize" it even more, so players can't even get that fresh mmorpg experience anymore where there is no meta and everyone discovers and tries shit without there being 20 guides for everything.
Reminds me of that comic with a dev trying desperately to change their game to appease some histrionic complainers, only for them to say they don't play video games at the end.
>Realism
>Soul
You can only pick one.
>gachas are closing left and right
Good.
>thanks to blue protocol flopping.
Blue Protocol came out...?
In Japan.
Asian companies are struggling too. Nintendo is the only one I know that isnt
Who else is doing well outside of Nintendo and maybe Capcom?
Square Enix, Bandai Namco and SEGA for example are getting mogged hard
Turns out when you try to emulate failing western companies your japanese company also fails. Shocking truth.
Except Capcom has become more western than ever and they are from what I can tell at their most successful in ages
Capcom is just extremely efficient and really "gets" vidya.
moronic conclusion
delusional chink
only for devs that actively support the Switch though, Sega, Bandai Namco, SE and others are suffering a massive decline in sales worldwide.
I don't think Square is doing that well. Capcom is doing well because their remakes are well made, but who knows what'll happen now when they have to remake the shittier Resident evil installments.
Fromsoft is on its way down, Elden ring showed it has no new tricks besides open world. Armored core was a good installment but isn't going to carry them for years to come.
Japan studios are much weaker than how they are portrayed the lobbyists in this thread.
Basically the infinite money glitch was turned off so all the diversity shit is just a massive weight while pissing off 90% of the user base that actually buys games.
Anon, everyone buys games now, including bipoc queer people.
Gay Black folk play Stardew valley and Baldurs gate not this
Yes they do, it's also not a particularly large community, so there's only so many people that caters too.
>Nooooo you must pay 70$ for a game with day one DLC, microtransactions and battle passes!
This fat frick probably spends it all on food too. Frick the gaming industry.
>Yisssssss you must grind for boxes you get from subscribing and buy keys to those boxes then pray you get a ultra rare NFT big tiddy aryan anime skin for your paintball gun that costs $7000 USD on blackmarkets and propelled this chinese game into a Billion Yuan Company!
i love the future
A total crash is highly unlikely. We'll probably just see a consolidation into some larger groups as struggling companies get bought out.
There's a console crash in at least the traditional console market. (Nu console market is quest 3/apple/Pico with only quest making a mark in gaming through pcvr mods). Traditional console will likely have 1 more version to release (ps6/Xbox spatial or some bs since they "need" a spatial computing option now) that are basically there to onboard people to cloud streaming and run locally stuff that has to many issues for cloud.
Layoff 90 percent of your advertising staff and just overwork the rest. They do nothing and deserve nothing.
It is fricking insane how much advertising millions just seem to vanish. Immortals of Aveum reportedly had over $40 millions marketing budget. What the actual frick did they do with it?
Gave a couple grand to some streamers to play the game and embezzled the rest.
Maybe the industry wouldn't be hemorrhaging money if they didn't hire a bunch of DEI officers and consultants.
Did you know that the dairy industry has basically been stagnant since the 1970s even with the government owned cheese vaults and the solution that was found was to put more cheese in everything? I just find that interesting and relevant.
If i didn't love cheese so much I'd might have a problem with that.
no fricking way cheese vaults are a real thing
>he doesnt know about parmesan vaults
google it verbatim
>Government owned cheese vaults
No, they're real. It's an economic policy introduced with I think FDR's New Deal where they would "save" farmers when supply outweighed demand by buying up the excess product and giving loans. Essentially artificially simulating a successful harvest when all they're doing is spending money that doesn't exist so product no one wants to buy look like they're not taking losses
I read about it way back in high school economics class
The main reason they did it was so that dairy farmers would have incentive to maintain their herds during times when it would be more cost effective for them to cull the herds based on the market
Where the frick is my annual cheese subsidy as an American citizen.
This is bullshit
Relax
They eventually gave all the government cheese away to low income people
All that cheese cave did was make is aged it better
>every new $70 comes with a 5 pound wheel of cheese
>Every goddamn dev makes decisions that would be considered fiscal suicide, but they get finkbux, so they do it anyway
>Finkbux dry up
>"Oh no... here I am, still hanging by this noose of my own making..."
we will get a general entertainment crash in 2025
Anyway I can speed it up? I'd like to watch movies again.
They've hit a point where they've raised the price of games, another price increase would face severe backlash, they've almost maximised what most games can make with microtransactions and AAA budgets are out of control. They need to reach a new market (convert phone gamers into console or pc gamers), exploit microtransactions more or bring budgets under control.
Streaming has put movies/tv in a horrible spot where even Disney is struggling so I'd believe it.
Streaming is a hard dilemma because it is turning out to be not so sustainable either, streaming services grew on expectation that the corporations will be able to monetize big subscriber counts later. Now it is turning out that not enough people are willing to be long term paying subscribers especially with rising subscription prices.
The same applies to lot of Internet too. Reddit, Twitch and Youtube are all facing problems of being too expensive to run for free, but their users have gotten used to use them free of charges. They are all definitely going to start implementing more paywalls in coming years.
Streaming for games is especially dumb. The idea being that the on hand computing power for the average consumer is to good to make streaming bandwith a better economical and experience decision. The bandwith to stream a game is more expensive than just buying a device that can play games. Especially as people realize insanely good graphics are dogshit compared to good art. Streaming services are here to stay regardless of paywall because nobody likes cable. If youtube and netflixed merged and said you will pay us $30/month or get fukt everyone will cry and complain but will end up shelling out for it cuz what are you gonna do? Not watch youtube and netflix? Well, I wouldn't because I need all the anime but I would shell out for anime if I had to. There has to be an ad revolution to. Youtubes ad model is fine and people crying about it are gay.
>Reddit, Twitch and Youtube are all facing problems of being too expensive to run for free, but their users have gotten used to use them free of charges
Ironically Elon out of all people already saw this coming which is why he took such aggressive steps to monetize Twitter
>Elon saw this coming, that's why he lost billions of dollars and double digit market share on purpose
what a genius, he totally played the market
I'm not saying he's a genius at all, he's a huge aspie who sometimes does smart things and sometimes does really dumb things. He was right to fire most of Twitter's useless staff and take steps to try and turn it profitable though, the rest of the IT industry is currently feeling the effects of their moronic infinite growth bullshit
>He was right to fire most of Twitter's useless staff and take steps to try and turn it profitable though
twitter was already profitable. it was hugely profitable
nothing he did with twitter can be characterized as right. he lost billions of dollars and double digit market share. I already stated this. losing double digit market share is usually considered "Very bad" little bro. especially in like a fricking year, lmfao
was already profitable. it was hugely profitable
Kek no, it wasn't profitable at all. Jack even admitted as much, the only reason the site was going for so long is because of investments propping it up.
>Kek no, it wasn't profitable at all.
net profit of over a billion dollars in 2018 and 2019 both
businesses like this are always "propped up by investors" it took amazon like 15 years to become profitable
you have no idea what you're talking about and have an uninformed child's perspective on industry. "kek".
Corporations that got VC funding didn't care about revenue from users because in their VC fundraising decks the only thing the investors asked about was user growth. You'd get laughed at if you put profitability in the deck.
VCs are backing out now and now companies suddenly have to look at the bottom line
>struggling
Disney is fricking dying anon
have you seen the stuff they have been putting out ?!
That's why they're dying
The Marvels was one of the worst movies I have ever seen
It was so good that it brought Nerd Crew back.
Girls get it done.
That was for madame web though
Budgets aren't coming down because games aren't getting cheaper. Pandora's box is open now. And even the beloved Nintendo will face this problem, just as they faced the difficulties of HD development during the late Wii and Wii U era. It just hits them later since they're behind the curve.
>And even the beloved Nintendo will face this problem, just as they faced the difficulties of HD development during the late Wii and Wii U era.
No clue what gives you that idea. It'll more than likely be super easy for them to make ps4 tier games with modern bells and whistles compared to years ago. Not like they're suddenly going to balloon dev costs either when all most people want is prettier nintendo games with stable framerates.
nintendo burned through an immense amount of good will over the past 5 or so years and they won't effortlessly sell the same numbers next generation
their user base is actively dying, literally, due to age and they aren't generating new users at the rate of other companies. young people see them as an exploitative company that takes advantage of old people who will buy anything.
What the actual frick are you talking about?
you think that pokemon arceus game, the recent mainline pokemon games, and totk didn't come at a cost?
you think those games didn't "cost" nintendo anything? because sales were relatively standard?
you have to put this industry in decades long perspective and really think about things. while nintendo was making totk with an "insulting our customers is not only okay, it's policy" mindset, more than a *hundred million* people worldwide, most of them youths, were exposed to genshin impact
think of the future that creates-- nintendo sells me an expansion pack as a full game, it's barely any different. china gives me a game bigger than totk for free.
big picture, they fricked up massively this generation, they went behind the curve, as money gets tighter people do not care about products that do not serve them. nintendo exploits their customer base rather than serving it
>while nintendo was making totk with an "insulting our customers is not only okay, it's policy" mindset
Says who?. Nintendo audience was happy with TOTK.
>most of them youths, were exposed to genshin impact
A game that is in decline because of its gatcha bullshit. It's imposible to catch up that game now if you dont pay.
GI will lose its impact as every gatcha does.
You are being delusional just because you hate Nintendo..
>Says who?. Nintendo audience was happy with TOTK.
woooooosh. even spelled out for you, you can't actually think the thought.
>A game that is in decline because of its gatcha bullshit
hahahhaa, not really
> It's imposible to catch up that game now if you dont pay.
complete fabrication. game simply doesn't work that way, there is nothing to "catch up" to
>delusional you hate nintendo
ah, it's a tendie
it's sad if you can't acknowledge the way they have insulted their customers lately. but it's okay, the movement of the industry does not rely on you understanding it
enjoy the second botw expansion pack sequel, i guess!
>the movement of the industry does not rely on you understanding it
I have read this for a decade.
Customer doesn't mind being insulted. They are cattle with short to none memory.
Don't worry, you just don't know how any industry works.
>another price increase would face severe backlash,
They're already talking about it. It's like they want a crash
yea wasn't skull and bones like 80 bucks
Or push even harder into mobile
Pushing into mobile would only work if they're extremely exploitative with microtransactions. Mobile already has a gigantic userbase but not enough people buy premium games on it otherwise most publishers would already be porting their games there.
>general entertainment crash in 2025
Dont get my hopes up
I can see it happen, at least in the west.
Probably. Western industry is woke and no one cares about it anymore.
>Western industry is woke
everything is woke now bro
>netflix3.png
Well there's your problem
what is this?
六本木クラス
>entertainment crash
openai just showed off their latest text-to-video capabilities and its getting close. Day of the ideaguy is coming
if open AI manages to remaster videos or create proper 3d models off it, many old games will benefit from tis, mainly modders.
anyday now…
Buy indir
It's not exclusive to gaming, it's just the after-effects of the pandemic being felt on the economy. Not to mention the USA and China falling apart.
This is what happens when an entertainment industry stops caring about what people want and starts thinking they can dictate what people want.
Vidya industry was for a long time heading into a some sort of ”correcting shock” after years of ridiculously big budgets aimed at creating a new GTA or Fortnite tier sensation, which obviously never was going to be sustainable, because there can’t be room for hundreds of super-expensive live service games that keep raking in endless money for a decade or more. The reason why it is happening *now* and not hears later is that during covid years, people spent more money on entertainment, making companies megalomaniac about their growth prospects, *and* it was easy to get tons of low-interest funding, which combined led to business build-up that wasn’t on sustainable basis.
To be fair, the same issue (”cheap” funding -> overly ambitious expansion) has affected all of tech sector to some extent, dozens and dozens of non-vidya related tech companies have also been hit with big layoffs, but vidya seems to have it worse than average.
And what a sweet trap that financing bubble was:
https://layoffs.fyi/
Redeemed at long last.
>Moon said people become bored with video games after about a month
Ahead of his time
Okay but video games in the 70s and early 80s were just glorified Tiger Electronics. If the peak of video games stayed as arcade-style, low-ceiling repetitive score games like Tetris or Pacman or Galaga or Pong, then video games WOULD be just a toy and a fad.
He wouldn't have said this in the 90s. Zoomers really have no idea how breakneck fast technology advanced in those two decades.
Galaga and Pong were so good idk why normies got obsessed with Tetris and especially Pacman. I guess because Pacman has a face to it.
They are popular classics even today. If video games never evolved past arcades then they would still remain a decent pastime like playing pool or bowling.
>If the peak of video games stayed
Thinking that the peak of video games would remain there is fricking moronic, so not sure how you thought it made sense to use that as a justification.
Herbert Moon spinning in his grave after his brother sold their family business to the israelites
based toymaking ceochad bodying rainbowhaired transvelopers everywhere.
There will not be another crash because independent studios and individuals can and will still make banger games. It only appears to be a "crash" to tasteless useful idiots who care about AAA games, consoles, and the other usual corporate slop like E3
Yeah, the thing here is that this ”crash” will only affect those companies who have gone mad with their budgets. It’s not like people are suddenly stopping buying games altogether, it’s more like that major publishers have utterly twisted ”we need to sell this many copies of game X to make it profitable” goals.
The jumps aren’t getting weaker, but the bar has been raised too high to be sustainable. The only question here is what those big publishers are going to do with this lesson - will they just lean even harder on their sure cash cows like Fifa or Assassin’s Creed, or will they learn that not everything needs a +100m budget?
The former probably, they are that moronic. Square Enix has already announced that they are trying to solve their problems by cutting low and mid budget productions to focus on massive blockbuster games.
And they announced that after big success of their lower budget games like Setsuna, Octopath, Mana remake, Triangle Strategy, Harvestella...
Oh look! One thing sells well and the other sells poorly. Better invest in second thing! Briliant move.
There's legitimately no company in the industry I hope goes bankrupt more than Square Enix
no. I will keep it afloat by buying more mog store slop. I need my ffxiv
if they go bankrupt someone else can buy final fantasy tho
they can't possible run it worse than square
Same, because Front Mission: Evolved. They will be made to pay.
This exactly. These fricking suits cosplaying as developers is where they fricked up. Frick 'em, let them go broke.
Game industry crashing in two more weeks says man who has made same claim every month for the last 20 years
>gta6 will save us
stop parroting the mentally ill
>Video game crash of 1983
>It crashes because the games are selling less than 1000 copies
>Video game crash of 2024
>It crashes despite the games selling 3 million copies
That's all you need to know really
Every company started layoffs after claiming *record profits*.
These things don't follow linear logic, if you only look at profits.
i'm pretty sure an overstaurated market was the cause because theres lots of samey shit being released. kinda like now.
game crash of 1983
It was just the american market that crashed
>Is there a gaming crash?
Yes, Im glad all these devs are being fired and studios shutting their doors its long overdue
There is no crash in sight. Only a purge that removes Playstation and some juggernauts like Blizzard. Japanese games are doing fine (with modest budgets, Square Enix, Atlus or Falcom are great examples of scaling down costs), indies are doing fine (you cannot really bankrupt if you just make games as hobby), Nintendo is probly strongest since SNES.
Only big western companies are moronic. Their reaction for low sales is making games more casual instead of cutting costs. They reached the casual market limit. No matter how casual is their game, it still doesn't have enough sales to cover production cost. And push for games as a service means that your catalog of old games is no longer passive income because you need to maintain servers and shit.
>Shittendo
>Fine
they are at the last stage of the bubble burst
There is no bubble. Did you see the latest Pokémon? They literally have sub-indie low budget. Their sales may probably drop 10 times and they will still turn profit. And they still sell 7 year old games at full price. It's free money.
Nintendo makes games instead of movies with bloated budgets so they'll be fine.
They're making PS4 tier games soon anon, what with open worlds, crafting systems etc... their budgets will start to increase too. No such thing as a free lunch. Just like how the HD development challenges hit them late in 2012-2013, when most Japanese devs were just getting accustomed to HD and preparing to hit their stride in 2015
One or two games like that in one generation is not a big deal if you also have like 10 or 20 cheap profitable games.
Hell, you have Peach and Mario vs DK now. They will be profitable and pay the bill.
Also, their consoles and online subscription are profitable too, unlike Sony's.
Budget is an issue but it's not JUST the budget. A lot of those AAA games also have issues that make people not want to buy them.
If GTA 6 sucks ass it would certainly deprogram a SHITTON of morons from being the trash gobbling idiots they are. Never have I seen a more middleground series and gamestudio get away with making shlock.
Starfield already flopped hard. People expected next big thing and got crappy indie game on ancient engine. The western AAA industry is just out of touch.
it didn't flop financially
It kind of doubt that for as many years of development time it had
Lets hope for a full cp2077-style release there
GT6 doesn't need to suck it just need to have mediocre sales and it will literally crash the industry. Sony is banking their entire gen on GTA6 moving consoles. If GTA6 won't have the pull they will end way below the PS4 which would be a straight up catastrophe as the guaranteed growth from gen to gen (if you do everything right) will disappear.
Too many video games are released. There is a lot to play from previous years and people have backlogs. Doesnt help that the economy is going to shit
holy fricking shit, they will blame bad sale and every mother fricking thing EXCEPT for bad video games.
>they will blame bad sale
The issue is that the sale is not bad. They are selling millions. The problem is that they inflated the budgets so much, it's not enough.
if you need 10 million sales to break even, and you sale 5 million, then those are bad sales. What you made is a distinction without a difference.
>crash
dumb ducking nerds
God I wish it would crash, we need to return game creation to nerds and incels in their basement/garage.
There has never been a gaming crash in history. Once there was a console crash while the arcade and pc part continued to thrive.
Games continue to make m8re and more money. Even if one part does go down the rest will continue to print money. No one will ever crawl to you and vindicate your feelings. You will continue to be mind broken over your taste in tv toys. Die mad.
It's because consoletards think they're the center of the earth and know nothing else. Gaming predates consoles and will outlive consoles themselves. The same rates who can't imagine the industry without Sony or Nintendo, who did not invent video games believe it or not!
Crash means a mass dissolution of AAA studios.
It doesn't mean all video games across the world magically turn to dust before your eyes.
It doesn't mean all computers with Unity or Unreal installed suddenly catch fire.
all they have to do to unfrick AAA development is to go back to ps4era levels of budget
in one generation a 100m game turned into a 250m game with close to zero reason to be so much more expensive
Gaming budgets were probably fueled by infinite lending. But now with fed rates making lending dry up, no more free money
It isn't just the budget or the costs, its a goddamn general attitude problem
The dev cliques aren't giving any shit about creating the game that you paypig want to play, and they haven't done so for years.
They are making the games they want to be "remembered by", as if they think themselves fricking Michelangelos of the 21st century.
And all the political shit we so often banter about is only one facet where that arrogance of the developers shines through.
They do not care to make "your" game, they just want to force you at knifepoint, and by throwing every trick in the book at you, to like "their" game instead.
And there is a very palpable difference in that approach.
I mean, theres never going to be a developer making your game. No game has ever been made for you except for all of the worst games. The problem is that with all of the DEI shit the people that are making games want trash that no gamers want to play. When you get actual gamers making games they want it can make gangbusters (palworld). It's not even necessary to sell like crazy if your dev costs are low enough because some of the best games aren't super popular because they appeal to niche genres. The thing is though that if you build a good game in a niche genre you get recognition that carries into your other games selling better so this is still good for developers. Trannies and uggos want games with awful takes and forced preaching and theyre the ones in AAA studios right now because of hiring practices over here.
You're a moron and have no idea what you're talking about, just wanted you to know that. Have a nice day.
Yeah, that's what I do now, I kill jacked up woke corporation WITH MY FREAKING MIND!
>get propped up by esg money
>esg stops
>realize you pushed away tons of fans with propaganda
whoopsie daisy
that shit is absolutely miniscule compared to lending changing, bro.
In fact, that is a -result- of lending changing.
>realize
the real answer is be angry that toxic gamers didn't automatically agree with your objectively correct opinions so the fact that your shitty games nobody asked for aren't selling is someone else's fault
no that's just Bidenomics destroying the economy
ashut the frick up troon, didnt read your post zoomer homosexual, fricking die, sage
>market's gotta get to GTA6 and hope
What does he mean by this?
GTA6 is going to come out, crash or not.
It's going to be successful.
Its success isn't going to magically get people to buy other AAA Western games.
So what does he mean?
>It's going to be successful.
Nice assumption.
It will sell. Millions even, sure.
But will it sell 'as expected'?
Below expectations? Above? How much retention? And how much winnings?
All of that shit will adjust all the other beancounters in the biz and steer THEIR expectations.
Same with the money grubbers aka shareholders, and their decision of how much millions they are willing to throw in the next slop-grinder or if they are instead buying fricking petro-chemicals or chink e-car shares next, because those promise better margines =more monies than bored gamers right now
No.
Why didn’t sony skew the numbers like they usually do? No instant pot or brand momentum graphs?
yeah lets annoy the other 98% of the customers for them a bit more, shall we?
haven't you gotten the memo?
the entire economy is about to contract, in fact it should've done that 4 years ago
Just heavily discount them and sell to chinks and Indians, there's like 3 billions of those frickers
They’re not making profit on the base console, selling it to pajeets and chinks at discount will be a loss because they just pirate
Why the frick are you guys so obsessed with a "crash"? is like you are actually wishing for it.
>is like you are actually wishing for it.
First day here?
They are because they hold a grudge against Sony for abandoning the Japanese market
>is like you are actually wishing for it.
What you mean, "like"?
I would love to live in a world again where games don't take 5+ years and hundreds of millions of dollars to make. The sooner AAA shit starts flopping and devs have to downscale the better.
Yeah well accept it. Even Nintendo took 6 years to release a game based on the same map I played already with not many meaningful additions. I haven't played a new DK game in 10 years. I haven't played a new Mario Kart in 10 years. I haven't gotten a 3D Mario in 6 years. It is what it is
I am. Overbloated AAA gaming philosophy needs to be abolished and the only way that can happen is a complete reset
Games need to be smaller, less pricey, less reliant on latest tech, etc.
You need to burn the weeds out every now and then to clean the land, It will also help future crops to grow healtier.
>wishing for it
On the contrary, no amount of wishing will stop it.
The problem with the industry is AAA's need to please shareholders instead of making good games.
If they could just make a good game uninterrupted they'd all likely be fine, but in order to maximize profits they have to follow outdated trends, build a genre they aren't good at and try and turn it into a live service with monetization in order to squeeze everything out possible. And then the gamers don't like it so it fricking fails spectacularly and the investors blame the developers, the devs and publishers blame the fans because if they even remotely hint that shareholder decisions affected things negatively the shareholders will bail and the fans just play something less shit. Or at least stick to their old shit live service game they've been playing for 5 years already instead of the new scam.
It is not a sustainable business model
Many companies cannot survive
We will have to find other methods
NUKES DON'T WORK LIKE THAT!!!
>Is there a gaming crash?
Yes, but more that we're in the beginning of one. What is always ignored in all these conversations about the industry is inflation. Inflation is absolutely eating into people's budgets. Household debt is out of control. Credit cards are all maxed. There is simply no money left. Videogames are now competing with grocery bills and grocery bills will win every time. It's impossible to sustain the industry in its current state. You can't sell a $200 million dollar game in an environment where no one has the money to buy. So the industry will be in ruin until inflation gets under control. But guess what, that wont happen for about a decade. Inflation in January came in higher than expected despite markets and the Fed (coping_ that inflation was beat and that rate cuts were coming. Well, now rate cuts are out of the picture. The Fed can't raise rates because it will kill the markets. So they are stuck. The only out is a 1929 crash and depression to burn off the excess dollars.
This is also why you should laugh a people like Mat Pizzatella who will tell you game prices are going up. No frickers, they are going DOWN. No one can afford $70 games now. Hell, $70 was the point consumers changed their buying habits. Customers are going to move towards cheaper games. Palworld was $30 and Helldivers 2 was $40-50. $70 game is basically a death sentence for a game now. Couple with the fact that Wastern games have been bad and people are gunshy about buying. You should expect even more layoffs and the next step, closures. Studios will go under.
>Can't they just switch to smaller games
Game development takes 5 years or more now. They are already too deep into these projects to course correct. This is why the bloodbath will get worse.
It's laughable that they are begging for GTA6 to save them.Death is coming for the "industry"
Do you think we'll see dev times get shorter? I wish we got more games but they take forever to release. I can only see this improving with the use of AI (sadly). Pandora's box is open on visuals.
My prediction is the industry will go back to looking like the PS2 days.
>Much shorter development time
>Developers focus more on genres rather than the kitchen sink game design we have now
>Sales will be much lower. Games selling 10-20 will be significantly rarer but will still happen from time to time
>Crunch will come back
Basically, inflation is going to be very sticky so you can't have super long development cycles and consumers are going to be squeezed so you can't rely on the same massive returns. You'll also see a lot of the industry people leave. This ranges from the "industry" people like Mat to the blue hairs as the job will be harder, pay less, and be less prestigious. The people in games will want to be there. That said, it's a monkey paw too. There will be some shitty years coming. Studio closures are going to become common place (money is on Rocksteady as the fire one to go outside of Embracer Group). Another thing that these people ignore is that 2023 was a record year for bankruptcies but we haven't seen it hit gaming it. This means you'll see a lot of games that will never come out or, if they do, will be in a very unfinished state. I expect gaming will be better off long term as it kicks out the people who don't actually care about games, but it's going to hurt. People will likely look back fondly on 2023, and maybe even 2024.
>Crunch will come back
never went anywhere
while it sucks that there's so many games being released now and no time to get to them I feel somewhat confident that over the next year or so I'll have more than enough time to play most of them.
Any Japanese devs that you think are vulnerable? Those would be the ones to pain me. But your posts are super insightful. People do ignore this shit when it's coming.
Japan doesn't seem to have the same inflation problem. They've had deflation for years but they got a little bit of inflation recently. The biggest threat to Japan is their Debt to GDP. They can't respond to inflation if it gets out of hand but they've also been trying the typical Keynesian method of QE yet haven't seen any inflation. So they might be OK.
Two biggest risk I see are Sega and Square Enix. Sega is just because they investing into their "Mega" game or whatever they call it. If its big enough, it could sink the whole ship. Square Enix is basically ran like a western company so they love their big expensive games. They don't seem to be as bad as the western studios so they may be able to pivot easier. That's the good thing about Japan is they have never bloated up the way Western studios did. Part of that could be that the US had a shit ton of investor money come in. Even having a bad year, Square still turned a profit, so there's that. Also helps that these companies are often in a lot of other industries which can help even if gaming is shitting the bed.
Any company with a strong domestic presence will probably be OK. I'm actually kind of bullish on Japan. Maybe it's just the weeb in me but despite their issues, they have a lot more positives compared to their neighbors.
Squeenix still makes asstons of money off of cheaper projects and mobile shit they just waste it as fast as they earn ut
The ROI on the smaller stuff is probably a lot more
$40 per copy sold of Octopath, netting them maybe $80-120 million from a project that likely cost, at absolute most, $20 million to make
I work in the Japanese industry and feel (hope) kind of similarly. The Japanese economy seems completely fricked but while the yen is cheap it's at least relatively affordable to make games here and sell them to a global audience that pays in dollars.
That said I could also see the country just slowly falling apart entirely in the next 50 years lmao
Dont worry the muslim pakis will save japan
Is there anything worse then when well-meaning white leftists decide to 'save' you?
I'd be scared as frick hearing that.
the only way to fix inflation is nuking FED
So you're saying that it's the perfect occasion to steal their bread from under their feet? Getting player's fidelity and making them lose the habits that make them know these guy's games at all.
NINTENDO
FINISH THIS MAN
>My prediction is the industry will go back to looking like the PS2 days.
you can't. the industry has conditioned their consumers to always look up for the newest and sharpest graphics. you won't be able to market games with 2D graphics and more stylized graphics
Guess you'll have to lower budgets and market to people that know what good gameplay looks like instead of marketing to people that clap and cheer for pre-rendered trailers
You're wrong, people only buy new thing because of FOMO, but the public reaction at every single AAA game released since 2023 was "nah, I can wait", this will destroy the industry by 2025 and they got only themselves to blame.
>you won't be able to market games with 2D graphics
You clearly should ask steam more often what my library looks like.
I really can't do more than occasionally grumble and allow them their surveys.
But you would actually need to ask, instead of assuming that you already know soo much better than me what I want to buy, m8.
>but it's going to hurt.
Not me, I got over 10k hours in tales of majeyal and similar games as well as tons of old games I like playing often.
>My prediction is the industry will go back to looking like the PS2 days.
don't make me so hard in the morning
Crunch never left dude. It is more like long term games are going to move in the direction of microtransactions.
It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. I see so many 'normie' gamers talk about how sure they are that GTA6 will be succesful. I wonder about that.
>I see so many 'normie' gamers talk about how sure they are that GTA6 will be succesful. I wonder about that.
I just dont see kids these days being into GTA anymore to make back the money
Trust me they are. It's moreso that the budgets are so out of control that good returns are near unobtainable
That's basically what I think. It'll be people making fun of a company not being satisfied selling 10's of millions of copies and not realizing the actual reason.
based anime poster of hope
but they have infinite money, havent they?
Mirror's Edge 2, Lawbreakers, Dishonored 2, Mankind Divided and Prey were good games
Don't care, we have too many games on X360, PS3/4/5.
We have Series X with no games until rich, all-mighty Microsoft releases Hellblade 2, Avowed, Indiana and... and?
There won't be a gaming crash, "indies" like palworld can still sell gangbusters.
The corpo model will continue to break down, they will consolidate further, fire more staff, and try to use technologies like AI to save more money
when will they admit that trying to make games for/market games to anything but white men is a giant failure? and adding in trannies, homosexuals, women and brown "people" isn't doing them any favors, and they're not going to stockholme syndrome us into buying that garbage? and if all that isn't enough, the games they're making are garbage with all kind of predatory mobile-game dogshit pushed in. and unoriginal remaster/remake spam too instead of new IPs or sequels
selling to asian gambling addicts also works
replace white man with
normal person who isnt a nutjob leftist and yea
all the hispanic illegal immigrant dudes i was friends with in hs played the same games as me lol
nigs to
they love fps
they liked games that were designed with a primarily white male audience in mind. just cause they liked something doesn't mean it was made for them
The games were designed for a target audience more similar to them than the hypothetical consumer of the future that modern games target.
Being a clear token for virtue signaling with no personality will sure draw them in, lel
Something I find interesting about the new diverse video games industry, is how much worse at the business side a lot of developers are now. I just don’t remember this being a huge problem back in the 90s when it was basically just white dudes making video games in the US.
leftism is designed to destroy everything it touches. it's the woman of ideologies
I think you're trying to conflate massively increased development costs and out of control scope with the fricking black guy they hired onto the art team, anon.
Back then corpos were smaller and not owned by capitalist pigs or israeli subversives.
does this mean we will get non globalhomosexual games again
pre 2020 had enough that i didnt care but after that literally everything but shit like resident evil was turbo woke
flled with pronouns pride flags
i cba lol
>le reddit gaming crash
For a board that doesn't play video games, you guys sure are invested with it's failures and successes.
The idea that GTA will somehow save the industry seems like an odd one. If there is a downward trend, I think it is more likely that downward trend will continue with the time GTA6 releases showing as an outlier. Is the idea to use GTA's numbers to fool venture capitalists into thinking the industry is healthy enough to invest in any piece of garbage?
GTA6 will have an underwhelming single player with a bunch of cash-grab trash in GTA6 online just like GTA5 online, and just like GTA5 it'll also completely abandon its single player mode
it's the same GaaS slop as everything else, now with the same amount of forced in diversity trash
>Is the idea to use GTA's numbers to fool venture capitalists into thinking the industry is healthy enough to invest in any piece of garbage?
That is how I read it.
And if it performs under expectations instead, you can expect less interest in throwing money at slop devs = more lay-offs
>gaming as a whole
No, AA and indie devs are doing fine. There's steady demand to keep the market going.
>AAA devs/publishers
Yes, and deservedly so.
yes. only in shit games nobody wants to buy.
The great filter has begun.
> Buys saints row 4 remastered for $3 on Xmas sale
> just as good as modern $300m games because of industry stagnation in both sequels and hardware
I’m doing my part
Also I bought Black Flag for like $10, get fricked ubisoft. Never played that yet
>I bought ubisoft game
>get fricked ubisoft
lol
Skull & Bones moron
>world economies going down the shitters
surly its just video games crashing
the main problem now is how do we "decapitate" crocked elites before they start world war 3 and send us all to die in their pointless war before we rebel en masse for bad economy. there's no left or right here, it's us vs them and the clock is ticking.
oh no ubisoft might die how horrible
I dont care Black person
Administration costs rising
Original devs leaving
Not enough money coming in
IMPLOSION
nah.
Larry Fink was given 17 trillion in 2022 alone for Blackrock to capture the entire videogame industry.
What talent's left has expression in little indie games like Ruiner and Colony Ship. But even Japan's flagship brands like Final fantasy are getting pozzed.
anon, blackrock, vanguard and providence equity are bleeding money because of fink's homosexualry to evade another occupy wallstreet, and made things worse.
They always think on short terms
>The industry is depending on GTA 6
Kinda feels like it.
I don't know how one game is supposed to save the entire western game industry.
I don't know about save, but it is the only AAA game people are excited for.
Yes. Remember most of the layoffs at Microsoft is the same people complaining at Activision Blizzard (who never should've been hired) were demanding that Kotick resign.
Finally people voting with their wallets is prevailing.
Make a good game, Black folk.
Not my problem.
God please let the AAA industry collapse, allow my hobby to begin healing
Thats what happens when you frick with your real consumers.
Aren't younger kids not even bothering with games outside of phones and maybe the Switch too?
As the 30-40 year old boomers fall out playing games these devs are gonna have problems
already happening.
The problem is the economy is so shit men over 30 are not having children. All my cousins and me bought games, just like my father and uncles did but no one of us have kids, meaning less people consuming
The thing is you cant want people to be poor and miserable and pretend they will spend as much money as a happy man with money and 3 kids who want games.
This is why companies are panicking now
>But thirdworlders...!
Thirdworlders actually cost too much money and they barely buy shit, since they lack the focus to play games, and rather spend all day in the streets with drugs or make reaction videos to some Dragon Ball episode they torrented
The irony is that the elite will be the ones working for the brown masse if they dont want to be eaten alive.
Buying properties? Good luck with that in a poo'd world, they can just enter your place and never pay again kek, this is already happening
Oh, it's not even that boomers have fallen out of playing, it's that they're sticking to the old games that didn't suck and the smaller new games that go out of their way to mimic the old forms.
>the 30-40 year old boomers fall out playing games
what a sorry assumption, zoomie
In most cases, the companies getting hit with layoffs simply overspent and overhired during the pandemic when their digital sales were up.
Yes, they were so moronic that they took this as a general trend rather than one which occurred only due to special circumstances.
no lmao these are all the consequences of all these multi million dollar flops where they employ pajeets and woke shit thinking that someone will buy them; the same will happen to the mcu with all this madame web moronic shit
hopefully those old higher up homosexuals realize that they don't have to listen to literal trannies and landwhales and start creating some actual good vidya. remember that limited resources foster creativity
The age of AAA is over, the time of the indie dev(s) has come
Games market grew in 2023. Crash is when number go down. Microsoft is a special case because they spent 100 billion on acquisitions with no plan except doubling down on their already money hemorrhaging service/platform. Some financial officer probably caught wind of it and cracked the whip.
I think crash for most people is seeing the old oaks start to burn down.
Microsoft, Sony, ABK, EA, 2K and Ubisoft starting to crumble under the weight of the AAA time-bomb that they all helped to create is what most people mean when they talk about a crash.
And for at least 3-4 of those companies, that's likely to happen. But we probably won't see spend just completely drop like it did in the 80s. Annual spend will only drop if the quality of games gets so bad that it becomes a hobby people don't want to engage with anymore at all
Pretty sure there was a mini-crash as far as computers went in the late 1990s/early 2000s, the functional death of Sierra, Broderbund, Maxis, and others (including LucasArts, which cut its adventure games) severely damaged the PC games market. It basically went into remission during almost the entirety of the 6th generation.
>the functional death of Sierra, Broderbund, Maxis, and others (including LucasArts, which cut its adventure games)
i miss sierra, maxis, and lucasart
We all do anon
This.
The crash doesn't mean the end of the videogame industry. The crash means that most of these moronic companies that were huge in the 00s and got taken over by empty suits and activists who don't give a frick about videogames falling out of favor and not being able to pull the massive numbers that they used to. Unlike movies, thanks to the more decentralized state of the industry, this will take the form of outsiders pulling in the big bucks instead. Hopefully a good number of them aren't stupid enough to sign a contract with the devil after seeing what happened to their favorite companies growing up and we can have a true changing of the guard.
New games have to compete with a backlog. There's so many good games out there, you can't play them all. A new game has to be good enough to jump out to the front of your backlog.
I haven't bought a game on release in years. I have too many to play and they will go on sale anyways.
None of them are AAA games that I play or want to play other than splatoon. AAA has lost a lot of gamers. They just haven't realized it yet because they are chasing bs markets like LGBT, women, etc. And ignoring the core market.
That's my main use of my 3DS, playing all the 3-5th gen stuff I missed but I don't know if that works for majority of consumers, especially ones that drive the numbers up.
Just waiting for leaks to make sure FFVII Rebirth doesnt suck. Didn't think gaming would sink this low.
the corporate execs who have no business being part of the games industry increase the price of video games and then proceed to act dumbfounded at a reduction in sales. it turns out people tend not to pay for things they cannot reasonably afford, especially when those things are not worth the asking price.
Make games that I like and I'll buy it
No? Then I won't
I don't care about your living conditions or whatever
Shrimple as that
I've essentially stopped buying video games with a very small handful of exceptions. GTA6 is not such an exception.
finally the year of silksong is upon us
>Silksong
>Ever coming out
Kek good one Anon
Which would be funnier?
>silksong never comes out along with a definitive cancellation announcement
>silksong comes out but sucks and is blasted on the review sites
>silksong comes out and is generally competent, but does something that makes HK fanboys go into apoplectic fits and denounce it
>does something that makes HK fanboys go into apoplectic fits and denounce it
Hornet gets a (hetero) love interest, waifugays torch Australia.
Probably number 2. It's ALWAYS that one. Cancellations are rare in this age once corpos realized they could push out a half done broken mess and STILL get money. And given HK's success, they'll definitely have fanboys that would pay for anything put out.
I hope so
Good games like BG3 will continue, slop should die
It needs to crash so hard that video games are the least popular form of digital entertainment. This way most of you will finally leave this board and screw up something else.
Actual answer. Games need to go back to being exclusively for social outcasts. Normalgays gtfo
only a ‘crash’ for bloated companies who mak shit games
as they deserve
This is what happens when you fill your company with "diversity" and stop making your games for straight white males.
You guys really are cancer. Yes, even if you hate modern politics in them, you are likely poison as well for prioritizing everything but gameplay.
>you are likely poison as well for prioritizing everything but gameplay
wut
Anon, we got here because they are prioritizing everything but gameplay, so you can frick right off with this
>You are just as bad for noticing
bullshit.
Honestly, I don't understand how you can look at the numbers of the fed's lending and be like "ah yes this is because of the damn israelite money"
It's not, it's because of a larger systemic collapse in society as a whole.
We're in for hard times. It's not going to like, become an apocalpyse, it's just going to be hard.
>larger systemic collapse in society as a whole.
Ask yourself, what is the catalyst for this?
Trump's removal of the CDC early warning detection department.
Everything went wrong from that point. The quarantine wouldn't have happened without that. The depression wouldn't have happened without that. The modern issues in the straits wouldn't have happened without that.
The fall was starting to happen years before the pandemic.
The pandemic was just a nice excuse to allow the powers that be stranglehold more money and power from you.
No, the pandemic basically screwed everybody.
Jews got israeliteed there.
You think you're better, you're most likely not. You're the flip side of the homosexual coin drenched in jizz.
If you think content doesn't matter then YOU are part of the problem.
not having unsustainable growth is not a crash
the video game industry cannot crash
Here's a wild fricking idea. How about spend <300mil on a developing a fricking game? These people are moronic. Make a game 20m and see what happens. Seems like the bigger the budget the shittier the game anyway.
Companies overspent and over hired during the pandemic boom expecting the future to be people stuck inside playing their live service slop, and now that's crashing. The whole industry is never going to crash but a lot of studios will probably be fricked. Nothing of value though, they were after all, making slop anyways.
>have my years of not paying for “their” video games and consoles finally paid off?
No
Companies are just using AI to remove developers, voice actors, artists, etc etc.
They will pump out the same slop in the same amount of time, just with a smaller workforce.
The "crash" of the 80s was just Atari shitting the bed back when a single company like them had a 80% marketshare in America in the 80s. Nintendo then promptly came over and took it all. No single company has even remotely that kind of marketshare, the industry will never crash again and I honestly think the "crash" of the 80s was overblown anyways. The industry is too large and diverse for it all to crash, people are also way more invested in this shit than ever before.
80s crash wasnt meaningful. journalists talk shit up so they can sell books
the market was self-propelling, video games were the golden product that didn't have to be "sold". there was no way the industry was ever under any kind of threat.
a lot of people have never played an atari system: they suck dick.
A segment of the industry can definitely crash, though. Which is mostly what people are talking about.
Indies will grow.
East Asia will grow if they stop being moronic and following the western mainstream off a cliff.
If you work for EA, Blizzard, or Ubisoft, though, you might want to update your resume.
>Indies will grow.
Lmao maybe as a market they grow but for each individual indie dev surviving gets harder every year. Too many indies out there, the market doesn't need all of them. And where do you think people laid off from AAA go? A lot of them go into indies, bloating the market even more.
>East Asia will grow
Yeah but mainly with gacha and mobile games
Gacha are dying like flies in Japan.
And China just pushes some anti-gacha laws.
Gacha days are numbered.
Lmao. Gambling isn't a trend, it's never going to die, people will always gamble and once you attach tiddies to it, it's making billions
Pachinko is dying and so is mahjong, there might be actual gambling in casino, or just gambling with fake money in offline games.
Casino is an entirely different audience. Gachatards aren't going to a casino, they need a lighter softer fix for their gambling addiction
The video game crash was also strictly North America. Rest of the world had no idea it even happened until the internet late 00's.
there was 0 market for video games anywhere in the world but japan and north america back then. the entire world sales probably added up to NA.
>there was 0 market for video games anywhere in the world but japan and north america back then. the entire world sales probably added up to NA.
Bollocks. I should know because I lived it in the UK. ZX Spectrum is what we had here with lots of games.
it's hard not to be smug about AI replacing armies of ESG POCs and mentally ill diversity hires
Why are her pupils anuses
>mass money printing and the economy being shut down for several years
All things a pro-capitalist government did, with full support of capitalist lobbyists. Let's not play the "it's not real capitalism" game, it's moronic
>AAA games cost too much and don't make back the money
>AAA games are now full of ugly characters and forced diversity storylines
meanwhile indie games are making millions on shoestring budgets for simply being affordable and fun to play
The ones indie managed to pull that are the minority.
90% of indie trans shit don't make money.
Hell, their sequel never turns out good (see the guy behind Stardew Valley).
>ape
>game isn't out
>we know almost nothing about it
>just making it because he feels like it
>but it's already a failure
The crash will happen, but only with westerners.
PC market is fine.
>market is saturated
>the age of the AAA is coming to an end
>companies still want COMPLETE GLOBAL SATURATION
we are in a depression that the media has orders not to report on until after the election. every single industry is laying off huge percentages of their workforce
we have redefined the word recession, so we can say that we are not in one. that is how it works anon
It's not just gaming, it's the entire society. Cost of living is getting way out of hand
>Is there a gaming crash?
only for Sony, Embracer and other AAA game devs. Also to the ones that mainly focus on releasing their games for Sony.
yes.
the game industry is mostly marketing, sales and HR pajeets and troons. These are the people that are actually ruining the world. Thanks to the internet, they are unable to compete with people who make games because they like games.
Ubisoft has blown 125 million on Skull and Bones, something no one wanted and is DOA.
The development time of all the Arkham games was wasted on Suicide Squad, and all the senior talent at Rocksteady has abandoned ship. The big publishers have completely lost their hold on public opinion as big gaming outlets have lost sway to youtubers and twitch streamers. How many live service games last year were outperformed by indie flavor of the month games?
AAA is code for rotting talent. The only games that are safe are the games that have monopolized their genre and have become pure normiecore like Call of Duty or Madden. If AAA keeps failing to deliver, we will continue to see publishers getting bought out and stripped for parts.
DD2 is going to hit this map like a typhoon of quality and fun. Capcom will be fine but the real ESG pushers won't (even though they were starting to dabble with sf6). I'm filled with glee at the way things are headed because the reckoning is finally just around the corner. Bethesda is in real trouble imo.
>Thanks to the internet, they are unable to compete with people who make games because they like games.
Yeah it's pretty funny seeing games like Lethal company made by one autistic person shit on AAA companies who have not one creative bone in their body.
Seriously though how the frick is Ubisoft still afloat? Is assassin's creed and Rainbow six siege keeping them on life support still?
>The development time of all the Arkham games was wasted on Suicide Squad
I'd take janky singleplayer superman game over this goyslop any day of the week
What would a gaming crash in the current year even look like? No more AAA games from developers that aren't giants (Nintendo, Rockstar, etc)?
AA demakes everywhere and their big AAA replaced by gaas deboots.
If they pivot to gaas all at once they're fricked. There's simply not enough users to keep them all going. The big ones thrive while the rest fail.
To be fair the vast majority of stuff released on steam isn't that great. If you make a fantastic game people tend to tell their friends etc. If your game never gets popular it's probably not that great. Then again vampire survivors might have only sold 10 copies if it hadn't gone viral.
More like less games released by giant companies. The smaller devs are actually fine since they weren't bloated to hell and back.
Indie games will continue to get better and better with more hits coming more frequently.
More people play games now than ever before leading to more indie devs.
The tools to make games are getting simpler to use and understand thanks to documentation and tutorials.
The age of influencers has been a massive boon for indie devs. Want free publicity? Send a youtuber a free key and hope he plays it x100.
People want fun cheap games
That's it
I thought the sheer amount of indie games being released was a bad thing since most will go unnoticed.
Even fewer games and more aggressive monetization in the few that do release. They won't walk anything back with graphics, open world shit, political agendas, etc. no matter how unsustainable it all is.
Two more weeks. People have been talking about a crash for the last 5 years, get new material.
It's gonna be a rough year but crash? No
I wonder, how much would it cost today to create a game with the same amount of content, graphics and quality like Final Fantasy 12 / A high level PS2 game? - Using all the modern tech and tools available?
I'd bet it would be significantly cheaper and that there are a lot of people who are not graphics prostitutes.
>how much would it cost today to create a game with the same amount of content, graphics and quality like Final Fantasy 12 / A high level PS2 game? - Using all the modern tech and tools available?
I think not much less. high quality UE5 assets with photogrammetry sure take longer to make than low poly low res ps2 assets but not ten or even 5 times more. you'd still need a team of at least hundred people (with graphics designers, programers, composers, testers...) and a few years of dev time to make ff12 from scratch. a lot of time goes into designing things and testing. you can't skip these steps. also think about switch games which are 2 gens behind PS5 and one gen behind ps4. you still need years of dev time to make new zelda or mario game.
But every individual piece of the game would need significantly less work, in terms of graphics.
Designing a PS2 character and designing a high end PS5 character are 2 entirely different beasts in terms of workload. Same ggoes for the game world, enemies, etc.
Also, modern engines, like Unity, are much easier to use than what was available during the late PS2 days. The tools at the displosal of the devs have improved significantly.
Its somewhat beyond saving in a way. AAA games I mean. They really are just way too expensive to make. Its not worth the risk. If you are some big company like snoy you would really be better off just giving money to indie devs and taking a massive cut of their profits if their game is a big success like palworld or whatever.
I dont care, I only play indie games or games made 15+ years ago
Oh are we at the
>we've maximized revenue as far as we possible can but promised infinite growth
>now the only way we can grow is by trying to keep revenue stable while cutting as many corners as possible
>oh no where did our revenue go
stage now?
>Objective: Survive
Every sector is part of a huge hivemind zombie economy kept undead by Blackrock, Vanguard, Statetreet and the likes to achieve Globohomo.
>Is there a gaming crash?
We can only hope.
>have my years of not paying for “their” video games and consoles finally paid off?
i think so anon
good job to us
>tfw emulating old games, playing through my backlog, and watching classic movies on bluray
Let it crash, I'm comfy here