Is there a legitimate argument against this? Now that games are infested with DRM and can be removed from our library at any time, is pirating justified, nay, a moral obligation?
Is there a legitimate argument against this?
Is there a legitimate argument against this? Now that games are infested with DRM and can be removed from our library at any time, is pirating justified, nay, a moral obligation?
You can lease a car. Taking it for yourself is still stealing.
They don't say you're leasing a game when you buy a digital copy. Try to keep up.
They do, actually, in the service agreements that you agree to when you sign up for the digital storefronts. The problem is that you, nor anyone else, reads the Terms and Conditions.
Terms and Conditions are for israelite homosexuals who like to come up with the most moronic things in the world. Nobody takes them seriously, especially in a court of law.
>They took my drivers license after I paid to pass the test
>The expiration date is literally on the ID
>"Terms and conditions are for israelite homosexuals"
>I'm just going to make my own copy
Fine print doesn't excuse misleading people. Nice try.
OWN IT FOR LIFE*
*jk
To be fair, a physical copy doesn't entitle you to own it for life either. If a disc is lost, scratched, otherwise unreadable, or broken, you don't get another copy. That's it. You have to buy another.
Wrong it's legal to make a copy of your disc. 🙂 Rom dumps are legal.
In theory, you can make an archival copy of software you own, but since actually playing it requires circumvention of DRM, it has no actual use. You can't legally use it
Doesn't matter in practice and I don't give a shit
Take me to court, find out if you have precedent or not israelite
>If a disc is lost, scratched, otherwise unreadable, or broken, you don't get another copy. That's it. You have to buy another.
And yet you can just make another copy out of thin air. What is the logic in this self-imposed artificial scarcity? This is the same stupid crap that justifies burning entire fields of crops, just so you can keep prices high on food. It's immoral.
>wtf I have to READ the contract I agreed to?
you're pathetic dude
Yes anon it's actually illegal to put things in a contract that a reasonable person wouldn't agree to. And we're not even talking about a legal contract here, the user has a reasonable expectation to POSESS the downloadable file for the life of the service. If you think these companies won't lose in court you're wrong.
Feel free to prove me wrong by winning a case, shitlord, but it seems strange that no one has successfully done it yet, no? Maybe it's because there is legal standing to upholding contracts?
>use a hilariously extreme example that will never hold up in a million years under the slightest amount of legal scrutiny
What now? Now you try to find a real argument against not reading the binding documents in your life.
Terms and conditions aren't legally binding contracts
Checking a box is not "signing" shit
You might learn one day that real contracts aren't checkboxes
Win a case and get back to me bud. Otherwise get fricked and buy a new copy lmao
When someone purchases a digital game believing they will own it, but the company treats the purchase more like a lease and revokes access after some time, several legal and consumer rights issues come into play:
- Misrepresentation and Consumer Rights: If the marketing or sale process led the consumer to believe they were purchasing ownership of the game (with indefinite access), but the terms and conditions specify it as a lease (with limited access), this could be seen as misrepresentation. Consumer protection laws in many jurisdictions protect against misleading or deceptive conduct in sales.
- Reasonable Expectation and Industry Standards: The general practices and standards in the digital game industry could also influence the outcome. If it is standard practice in the industry to sell games with lifetime access, the consumer's expectation of ownership might be deemed reasonable. However, if the industry commonly operates on a lease or subscription model, this might weaken the consumer's case.
- Jurisdictional Consumer Protection Laws: Different jurisdictions have varying levels of consumer protection. In some areas, laws heavily favor consumer rights and might view such a situation as an unfair contract or deceptive practice, leading to potential legal remedies for the consumer.
- Evidence of Misunderstanding: If there is significant evidence that many consumers were under the same misunderstanding, this could strengthen the case against the company, suggesting that their presentation of the product was misleading.
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Good luck with your class action lawsuit.
Win a case
Good luck with your lawsuit israelite
>blah blah blah
no one cares and no one is going to read that shit but 1 homosexual who is curious
only to find nothing or they added spyware
>we legally own you and can rape and molest you at any time
now what homosexual?
then why digital shops say "Buy" and "Purchase" and not "Rent" or "Lease"?
Marketing/Perceived value and ownership.
We both know they use these terms to fool people into thinking that they "owned" the game, when in reality, it is more accurate to say rent or lease.
Words have meanings, especially in business and legalese.
If a store says "buy" then it's "buy", redefining "sale" as "rent" in fineprint is not legally binding and a class action waiting to happen
Imagine you buy gravel and once you open the sack it's just sand because the 153 pages long user agreement redifined how big the company thinks gravel grains should be. It wouldn't fly under any judge on the planet, and the only reason it's allowed for digital media is because the lawmakers are boomers.
I agree with you, anon. I don't know what the first guy was talking about, just like you.
so it's fraud
Because buying means it's a one-time single purchase. You aren't paying hourly or monthly and forced to return it when you stop payments. Just because you break the law/terms and they revoke your ass doesn't suddenly mean it was a rental.
>wtf why did the police tow my car away??? I only parked it next to the "don't park here" sign!
Whether they are justified in taking it away or not is a different matter. But linguistically it is correct to call it a "purchase".
Because you are actually buying and purchasing it. That copy of Half-Life is yours forever. It's when "games as a service" started becoming a thing that all this legalese bullshit began to crop up
Im not taking the leased car. I'm taking a picture of the leased car.
That's not analogous to piracy of digital goods.
Tech companies should've thought this through before making EVERYTHING in entertainment digital.
>Taking it for yourself is still stealing.
In this analogy I go down to the dealership, look at a lovely porsche with only 5000 miles and fricked up suspension, then whip out my computer and 4d print a copy of it.
>4d print
Why print a copy of it now when you can print a copy of when it's new?
The button says buy, not lease. get fricked.
Leasing isn't buying you fricking moron and I can't belive it took this long to point it fricking out.
>if buying a bigmac gives me nuggets, then i should be allowed to steal the fries
>Food analogy
>Complete and utter nonsense on top of that
Just end yourself now, homosexual.
make me, you Black person troony lmao
I'll make you finish in seconds, big boy 😉 as long as it's in my mouth hue hue
It’s ok. He’ll die of moronation soon enough.
the american hungers for his slop
>the original was never removed
It'll be more like
>favorite food place removes your favorite burger from the menu
>find the recipe online to make it yourself at home
Intellectualpropertybros...
Piracy isn't stealing in the first place, regardless of the truth of the antecedent. Theft is wrong because it deprives the rightful owner of the use of their own property. Copying software deprives no one of anything (no, the money you MIGHT have paid does not count).
Imagine thinking you can own knowledge that's already in someone else's head. If anything, intellectual property is the actual theft, because it denies people the use of knowledge they already have.
you failed at making a good food analogy
You're probably a falseflagging yuropoor given how you have no fricking idea how restaurants, even the fast food variety of them, work.
is there a legitimate argument against this?
Fries just make you fat
But if you buy the bigmac and nuggets, you own them now.
>buy biggie mac meal
>steal fries
>"Heh, where's your piracy argument NOW?"
As a simple layman his food analogy makes no fricking sense. Even cryptography experts are still attempting to decipher his message.
Your analogy is shit because you’re stealing something else entirely and you’re stealing something you can actually own.
McDonald’s can’t forcefully take the meal you paid (yet at least). You own that meal now. This is in (supposed) contrast with video games where even if you pay for them, you don’t own them.
>Your analogy is shit
It's not my analogy.
>imagine being at computers
This might be the worst food analogy I've ever seen.
I actually pissed myself from laughing at this post
That's the stuff
If Licensing is consent, Piracy is rape.
any template thread that's pointing at your shitty opinion goes right into the filter because you're going to post it at least a dozen more times like the reply addict you are
justified
>he needs moral justification
This. It being the most moral option just adds to it.
Yes, if they can remove your copy at any time at their whim, you never owned it.
I will pirate everything, and they will be happy.
>buying isn't owning
correct
>piracy isn't stealing
correct it's piracy and still illegal and punishable by law.
It's lawful to administer a reproduction-ending transition without parental consent. Social contracts are a thing
get help
If your example based on an unjust law via corporate lobbying, it's not a justification.
>If your example based on an unjust law via corporate lobbying, it's not a justification.
ok. when you stop basing everything you do on trannies.
It's an obvious example of an unjust law that somehow implies minors can consent. I will not partake in your gaslighting.
>Social contracts are a thing
No they're fricking not. A contract is a very specific thing, and only morons parrot the idea of a social contract to justify popular rule.
Without them you live in naked and open corruption. Welcome to the third world.
>wearing clothes is a social contract
Holy moron, Batman.
Can you homosexuals stop thinking about trannies for literally ten seconds?
>hurr da law tho
The law only exists to protect the rich.
Piracy is taking potential sales away so it's stealing. They have a legal right to those potential sales and you *stole* them.
>potential sales
So no sales
Potentially suck my dick
There are no potential sales. The person who pirated would not have bought it otherwise.
wrong.
source: me.
wrong.
source: me.
you arent me and I buy games I cant pirate all the time while pirating everything I can.
my existence is proof of potential sales being impacted by piracy.
its really weird to think that people like me dont exist. just admit that you like getting shit for free. I do that all the time its based. other justifications are homo.
you're not even a person, no one cares about you
you're a bottom 1% ankle biter, your opinion is pointless, you aren't the target audience
meds
what meds? you aren't a typical person, you probably have no friends and you won't buy the DLC or expansion
you're worthless as a customer
no different than a shoplifter that occasionally buys a stick of gum
companies should pretend you don't exist because you're not a real person
only Black folk like u get baited by dlcs/expansions
>why would you want to buy something that makes a game you already like have more content?
because it should be free Black person, go buy more pony skins
Oh you work for free anon?
they are already selling the game homosexual
Oh so when you get a paycheck you keep working for free weeks after?
updating the game leads to more sales 99% of which isnt even reinvested in the game, go be a Black person somewhere else
Wow that's an easy stance from someone who is pro piracy. So they should work for free because they might make more money? But not from you, of course, you like to play games for free. Interdasting.
they are getting paid every month no matter what moron, let me know when games stop being a predatory garbage and I might reconsider
Oh they get paid monthly from the magic game fairy of fair wages? So nice of the anon who free rides to give business advice.
>fair wages
Please be bait
He wants to buy an entirely separate title instead that's just the same game but with said expansion, i.e. TotK
Your individual example is meaningless to anyone with a brain, as I can post mine own. Put your brain cells together and understand why most people pirate
you pirating everything doesnt change anything about people like me existing.
med, schizo.
I don't even pirate games, I have no interest in 90% of nuslop. Anything I emulate is long, long discontinued.
thats cool but I didnt ask.
Nor did I ask for your trite responses. He made an accusation, thoughsoever.
if you dont care about responses dont participate in a discussion about a topic, homosexual.
emulation is piracy too but who cares its not whats being discussed literally nobody asked.
You made an accusation that was obviously false, and I was responding to it, whether you like it or not. I'm not asking.
That is awful but I did ask
Then they have no right to possess it.
Then corpos have no right to rescind possession
They don't possess it.However, they are playing it. Wow! some weird technological magic must have happened.
he cannot possess it
hes not a phantom but also why would a phantom pay for something? are you some sorta moron?
Do you really think the person who has to resort to pirating shit has the money to buy the thing in the first place?
And even IF it hurts sales, it still isn't the same thing as stealing, no matter how you spin it.
Surely all those third worlders on their private servers would have spent three months' wages on a bing bing, they're just dastardly
>HURR DURR PIRACY IS LOST SALES!
Maybe if you spout this for another 10 years like you have for the past 10 years it'll finally stick.
piracy is also potential sales because if someone likes your game they might recommend your game to friends, those friends may legitimately buy the game, piracy is no different than a word of mouth campaign, in fact really no different than saying people watching Twitch streams are "pirating the game"
you can argue this both ways
>Piracy is taking potential sales away
lol I was never going to buy anything
>legit right to potential sales
Who's rights are being infringed on if people just never go play/watch your shitty game/movie in the first place?
>buh piracy cut into muh sales!!!
prove it
>potential sales
I'm not paying for video games either way.
Not buying shit is also taking potential sales away. Every product that you have recognised the existence of yet not purchased is theft.
>Rent apartment
>Refuse to leave when lease is up
>Judge rules that nothing can be done because I never owned it in the first place
I think we just solved the housing crisis.
>buy apartment
>sign contracts saying you now own it and its yours
>construction company comes and demolish the entire building without warning you
This is actually a big thing anon, people stay for 6 months or more and then refuses to leave, claiming they own the place and the whole eviction problem can last over a year of trials and shit, sometimes costing half the price of the whole house
that would be a good argument if you couldnt buy apartments
Physical games used to be the counter-argument to piracy, but physical doesn't exist anymore.
>hurr what is burning
You gonna make an accurate plastic mold of the game case/box, an accurate re-creation of the manual, whatever promo crap was inside and print an accurate label? No. You never did. That shit was definitively a bootleg. But now that game boxes and "collector's editions" come with a steam/PS+ code or nothing at all, any one copy of a modern game might as well be functionally identical to the next.
when you pirate, you're taking away server space and download speed from someone who could have purchased and downloaded the game legally
>t. Extra Credits
SAVE THE BANDWITH!!!!!1
if you're pirating you're probably not downloading it from the official servers
>zoomies are so indoctrinated that they view ownership of property as some unobtainable luxury
Good for them, they won't be as shocked as older generations when that becomes reality even for the most mundane things.
It is. Even baby boomers are just renting their houses from the banks while pretending that they own them.
ownership is inherently theft, because it's always been defined by exclusion.
you sneak into a movie theatre without paying
are you stealing the movie?
The movie? No, the Movie Theater Earnings? Yeah, you are making a dent on their profits, still not theft or piracy, its a breach of trust and may be considered a scam intent
It's tresspassing.
Given that they have limited real estate to plant your fat ass.... Yes. You are stealing. Especially since a lot of theaters you pick out your seats now at purchase.
Like renting a car. I don't own it. But if someone took it from me without my permission during my time which I paid for yes I have been stolen from. Theft of services is a thing.
I still don't know why media can't be shared freely, that's the main reason for doing Art, displaying your expression, AI solidified this, every single painting ever done is an assortment of values, so why do some games, movies and music have to be behind paywalls? Why share art in the first place if you just want money out of it?
>AI solidified this
And they're going hard to try to frick it with unjust laws. I won't address the rest of your bait.
Triggered by one thing ignored the test. You toke the bait and choked on the hook
>AI solidified this
Ai proved that prople who fricking hate drawing will get a big head if they can get a computer to create slop for them.
>AI out of nowhere
I sure hope AGI comes sooner than later so we can replace that completely broken, useless brain you have right now.
Surely the age of the spiritual machines is upon us. Only two more years.
>Don't worry guys AI will totally replace all jobs! Two more weeks!
I never understood why people think like this.
They don't understand that the first jobs AI would replace, is the very managerialists they need to turn the screws on the populace
want more? enough people need to pay me for the last one so i can afford to make a new one.
you are free to pirate but i am also free to make games for people who are too stupid to pirate
>want more?
Nah I'm good. Sequels are cash grab slop.
>sequels are cash grab slo-ACK
>Why
Jews. israelites want to charge you for using your eyes and per breath you take of they could.
No one can argue against that because it isn't stealing.
Digital goods are what they call "non-rivalrous goods", meaning a bloke's use of the goods does not prevent another bloke's ability to do the same thing since the supply is not affected by people's consumption. When someone pirates a vidya, they are making a copy of it without depriving the original owner (or any "legitimate buyer") of their use of the game. This is completely different from stealing a physical thing, where the original owner loses access to their property.
t.just learned about it yesterday
But Anon, think of the fries and the nuggets!!!!
More like if the difference between pirating and "buying" is "not a fricking thing", why spend the money?
I've got money
you don't
cry about it
It's fine. But piracy was never stealing in the first place no matter what conditional argument you put in front of it. Some people were just genuinely too stupid to understand why.
Piracy was never stealing, dumbfrick.
Somebody made the product. He gives you the temporary possibility to use the product his made for money.
You are allowed to use the product for small amount of money, which he can use to cover the production costs.
Pirating cirvumvents it, neither you have the legal rights to use his product without paying, nor did he made the product for freeloaders like you.
Piracy is theft. You didnt make the game, you dont own the game.
>buy a game from EA for the first time in years
>click the order button or whatever
>game doesnt show up in library
>hmm
>buy it again
>still doesnt show up
>restart EAs shitty software
>game finally showed up
>2 charges on my bank account, money removed twice
>tried to get through to support multiple times but its literally impossible, the only way to contact them is through some shit where you choose a specific problem you have, and of course mine wasnt offered, and most of the problems dont even let you actually even talk to support
>a week later im still missing the money from TWO fricking copies of the game (yes i made absolute sure they charged me twice and it wasnt some test pending charge that wasnt revoked immediately)
>finally just go through my banks app and select an option saying the charge was bullshit, that they charged me twice for the same product
>takes a whole 20 seconds
>overnight i get my money back
>game is still in my library
all for a 14 year old game which needed mods to even work right
Not this bullshit again. If you want to steal don't fish for an excuse. Pirate with pride.
>Its not stealing because I only made a copy
>You can't steal ideas
>terms and conditions don't matter
Same goofy takes as the last thread.
Its not wrong thou, from an ethical stand point what has no materiality cannot be stolen and copying is not stealing.
You just to dumb to understand it so you call it goofy to try dismiss it, making you look like a subhuman.
>Hey look guys a lonely ship with a small crew
>Lets take their stuff and murder them
>" from an ethical stand point..."
>homie we are literally pirates
You dont even understand what was writen and yet you answer some completelly nonsenical shit like a moron, trully patethic, but i guess thats it for peanutbrains like you.
You're the one not getting it. We already know we're taking stuff for free. Who gives a frick why but moralgays and /misc/ users.
>See mona Lisa
>Take picture of it
>This is somehow comparable to hunting a ship full of people, attempting to murder any resistors, taking hostages, plundering their haul, sinking their ship
I hate israelites so much it's unreal
Anyone naming themselves pirates aren't having conversations about morality.
If I physically stole a game from the store, decrypted the security, and gave you a copy, do you think I care how you cope?
>Anyone naming themselves pirates aren't having conversations about morality.
90IQ assumption
You agreed that pirates killed people to take their stuff. You think they were pushing bodies in the ocean having deep discussions about moral justification?
This is the popular consensus of what a pirate is
Should this be deplatformed?
>"Do what you want because a pirate is free"
Even a kids show gets it more than Ganker. Steal the game because you want it. It's not some moralgay debate.
>you must take this position
No, sometimes laws are unjust, and often in the case of corporate lobbying. Youtube copyright insanity scorched earth so much organic Internet culture it never recovered.
The more you discuss it the more you look like a gay. Anything beyond "I just wanted to play the game" sounds like copium.
Yall getting hung up on buzz words like "stealing" and "piracy" while playing the same free game as the homies that don't care ha.
I don't care if you don't care, so don't care all you like.
OY VEY cool it with the antisematism
It literally isn't the same thing as stealing, moron-kun.
But yes, I will still pirate shit with pride.
stealing ideas is stupid, you ever even see Inception? cannot believe it's over a decade old now.
>>You can't steal ideas
you really can't though
Morality is subjective, do as you want cause a pirate is free!
It is copyright infringement. Calling it piracy is mostly just using "their" word. You copied something that you maybe (emphasis on maybe) weren't supposed to.
>piracy
Piracy was created by scene groups to personify their goals. Modern pirates that surf the web taking data. I feel bad for people that didn't use the OG internet.
>unlike you, I'm not a broke b***h
It works every time and you get to laugh while they fumble their way around being argentinian or something
It's childlike, even people in the ghetto play consoles.
>even people in the ghetto play consoles.
Literal nostalgiaBlack folk.
those bootleg 100 in 1 "consoles" don't count lmao
They play fightan and spartman games
what is the point of this image where a finger is pointing what you want to say
why not just make the image the words you want to say exclusively, the finger pointing adds nothing
zoomer brain makes them more likely to read it
BUT ANON, IT'S THE FUNNY MEME!!!!!!!!111!!!!1!
It's a reference to a Simpsons joke, where the driver refuses to engage someone asking a repeated question, and points to this sign as his response.
HTH
Wow we have a meme sommelier here boys, someone post a rare pepe to impress him.
the finger point is supposed to imply that OP is tired of saying it. nobody fricking asked though
>nobody fricking asked though
How many times are 80iqs going to post this rubber:glue refrain? Just leave the thread
>add fake rape scene to game
>less than 5 seconds
>game gets banned in australia
>tell people to pirate the game in australia
>make a patch for the pirated version so it doesn't perform any poorer than the paid version
based
buy an ad
Based take:
Yes I pirate
I want the developers to go bankrupt and I hope they kill themselves.
Why.
Piracy wouldn't be stealing even if buying were owning
"Piracy is stealing" is a shit argument. i would steal if i had the chance frick off with your property bullshit
piracy was never stealing
it was access without permit
if you sneak into a movie theater, you never "stole" the movie either
You the stole the intrinsic value of a movie experience. If everyone did it they would close.
>Electricity used
>Employees salary
>Concessions
>Taxes
>Building lease/rent
>concessions
That's entirely on the theater you can pay to see a movie and not buy anything to eat/drink while you're there. Potential sales don't exist, you either do or do not purchase.
Thats not what intrisic value is.
Ticket prices will factor in perishable food loss regardless if you buy it.
A large bucket of popcorn costs as much as the movie ticket now
It's too bad they can't sell beer at theaters. Not much worth seeing these days anyway
People would still do it even if there was zero profit motive. Are you getting paid to post?
Profit motive ensures quality of experience. If you get paid the same (nothing) for doing a low effort job as well as a good but hard job, you'd do the low effort job.
>Profit motive ensures quality of experience.
You know this isn't true. Have you seen all the shit movies and vidya lately? All profit and no quality.
Yeah Disney is really raking in the money huh?
Don't be an idiot. I'm not talking about just now or two studios. I'm talking about the industry as a whole.
Or are you saying that shit like Asscreed, COD, and FIFA are the epitome of quality content?
Think about all the record-breaking profits in the vidya industry and its top games, Anon. Would you really call those games "quality"?
all it incentives is mtx and p2w, rope pls
You're talking about free to play games a genre that can't be pirated and exists because pirates like you exist. You do realize GaaS is an anti-piracy technique right?
no, Im not talking about f2p games
>paying retail for a p2w game
Have you tried not having a lobotomy
rope
No one's forcing you to pay money for a product, but then you shouldn't be able to get the product anyway. People like you act like it's some kind of moral imperative when you're actually living the worst of both worlds.
If you're not willing to pay for the game, why are you willing to play it?
It's a cost benefit problem anon. Many games aren't worth $60 to play, they would be worth $2 to play. The same reason why Spotify effectively killed music piracy, people aren't willing to pay $1 per song, they are willing to pay $10/mo for every song.
I'd pay if I had to. But I dont so I dont.
>corpo shills have entered the thread
It was good while it lasted
???
I'm playing a pirated game right now.
Do official RO servers even exist
yeah, but they suck ass.
tons of bots and very laggy. and the newer patches also suck dick and changed the game in a bad way.
Hey, stop stealing that experience right now, Anon! Think of the poor devs strolling down the streets with nothing but clothes on their back!
>If you're not willing to pay for the game, why are you willing to play it?
Only suits and businessmen make games for the money. Artists and passionate game devs make games to express their vision. If their game has a point besides making money, they will be happy that I pirated it instead of not playing it at all.
>Anthem
>Marvel's Avengers
>Forspoken
>Babylon's Fall
>Hyenas
>Ghost Recon: Breakpoint
>Marvel's Black personman 2
>any other uncountable number of slop titles
They should be paying ME $60 to play this fricking bullshit!
why would you play this at all
That's the point. Meant to also quote
as I sent that post. These games are literally not worth their price tag. The ratio of budget to actual gameplay value has ballooned extraordinarily large within the past 10 years.
these games arent worth playing when free either.
but why would anybody pirate something he isnt into in the first place? that makes no sense. people obviously pirate games they have an interest in. I never once pirated a game I thought would be shit because why would I bother with a shit game in the first place?
>but why would anybody pirate something he isnt into in the first place?
To actually give it a fair shake, since demos don't exist anymore?
oh frick off, so you wouldn't pay $1? just for the convenience of automatic updates and 15 MBs+ downloads?
I would not pay a dollar for bad games I am not interested in, no.
yeah man I bet forspoken is actually a hidden gem.
if its interesting then its already worth a shot.
How would you know if you haven't played it? sasuga Gankerirgin-kun
its not hard to tell at all.
dont tell me you play literally every AAA slop release just to confirm to yourself whether you will like it or not.
Some AAA slop would be worth playing for $1. You have a stupid point.
I dont agree at all.
what year is this? you can refund games you try now.
I think the other anon is astute in his observation: You're just being obtuse to look correct. No shit I'm not playing every AAA game ever made. I'm playing the ones that interest me to see if they're worth puchasing. Why do you have to be like this?
Anon what's the point in being obtuse so you can be "right"? Not every game is equally good. Some games, dare I say, are only worth it on sale. This isn't hard. Stop playing stupid.
Why pirate some new movie or series you aren't interested in?
If you tell me you've never checked something out, and when you couldn't find it you just didn't consume it, you're lying.
There's no reason they can't sell a physical copy and let people download the patch files separate from a homosexual online store.
You can't really justify buying games at all any more.
Piracy justifiers are always the biggest low IQ subhumans in these threads.
Just enjoy your free games.
>owning
you only own what you are strong enough to take and protect
they were unable to stop me from pirating the game, therefore the copy of the game is now my property and not theirs until they call the CIA to delete it from my hard drive
If you are paying for games in 2023 u are the problem
I just pirate, when i don't have the money, unsure if i play it more than 3 hours, isn't available in store.
I don't really care for the moral stuff.
the argument that BTFO homosexual devs and publishers. get fricking DUNK'D ON stupid fricking moronic N*GGERS LMAO
even if buying was owning, piracy still wouldn't be stealing
Reminder that media piracy is just the logical conclusion of Caveat Emptor. You are intrinsically incapable of properly judging an experience without having first experienced it, so if you can't get a full refund after experiencing the entire game in order to properly judge its worth, you are morally and economically justified in pirating it instead.
pirating was already justified
Digital "goods" in general are a meme because they have no value. During the physical days, the box, disc and extra goodies at least had some value, so paying whatever you paid meant you were paying for an actual product.
The fact that you need to pay $69.99 to legally play 0s and 1s is egregious. Digital games should, at least, be cheaper than physical games, not 1:1
Your argument fell apart after fast. The disc and box is just a delivery medium for the digital goods. If they turned off the game service the disc would be useless beyond it's display qualities.
you mean like everyone's physical copies of Overwatch and Destiny?
>If they turned off the game service the disc would be useless beyond it's display qualities.
>put disc in ps2
>still works
Damn wtf?? you told me it would stop working
Physical
>Put disc in ps2
>"Disc read error"
>Buy another disc
Digital Perks
>Cloud storage
>Game share (can play 1 game on two accounts)
>Never permanently damaged or corrupted
>Can update without new disc revision
nice goalpost moving.
How is it moving the goal post by pointing out the same major flaw with disc. If you break an out of production disc or make it unreadable you can't play. Are you going to complain the company didnt make the disc available forever?
The message was about a disc failing to let you play because "the game service was closed". We weren't discussing the overall perks / cons of digital vs physical.
Yes, as long as it's well kept, a disc will always let you play.
Digital goods can get fricked by expired licenses and publisher whims.
See how GTA games had their soundtracks skewed
m8 the disc box and manual cost less than a dollar in production you were never paying for that.
you paid about 20x more in retail store fees minimum.
>you paid about 20x more in retail store fees minimum.
This supports my argument that digital goods are a meme.
There's no need to pay these fees anymore, so why keep the price 1:1 to physical copies that DO need to pay these fees?
it doesnt support shit you moron.
its LITERALLY because retailers would get butthurt otherwise.
they demand price parity so that people buy physical at all at this point.
>th-think about the retailers!
No. They're middlemen at best.
without retailers you wouldnt have physical at all, moron.
Cry more, middleman.
I dont care about the physical meme, I pirate.
Then why did you even make that post?
>against this
He needs to make a point, first.
to explain it.
The margins on video games in retail is going to be like 8%. There's a reason why Steam games used to be $50 and retail was $60. That was effectively the retail margin.
physical and digital has been about the same for console games. pc stuff was just generally cheaper.
steam takes a big cut anyways, its about as large as retailers afaik. always been like 20-30%.
So in the end the customer gets fricked.
It's all about getting more money, and gamers like taking price hikes up the ass
I dont blame them for trying, but I do blame them for making it so intrusive actual buyers get fricked over.
The content and the hard work put behind It is what you are paying for. If you don't consider that worth paying, neither should you consider it being something enjoyable or worth putting time into. Pirates should just stop being disingenuous hypocrites to be honest. Half the world has forgotten they even exist since steam anyways.
I don't have an issue with this mentality but why do you get so offended/irate when game companies try to use means to dissuade or counter piracy?
>If it has [ANTI-PIRACY MEASURE] then it wasn't worth playing in the first place, I don't care.
Sure you don't.
Those games are sour games.
Monhun World delayed its PC version by 8 months just to sloppily add denuvo to it and it turns out they completely fricked up Gatheting Hall on launch anyway (it's probably still fricked up) so yes, adding anti-piracy measures that don't affect pirates in the long run really did make it so the game wasn't worth playing for me.
Everything digital is free.
Paying for things and monetarily supporting this sick society (especially the freaks running the video game industry and Hollywood) is far more immoral than piracy ever could be.
>Now that games are infested with DRM
>now
According to the law, I'm supposedly stealing a game if I pirate it (even if I already bought it). Infact, it's supposedly theft even if I rip the game itself, because muh DRM circumvention.
Now, for all the bootlicking shills, explain to me the moral wrongdoing that I've committed here. Was the company not paid for their work, in the exact amount that they asked? Why do they continue to want control over my purchase? Why is a backup copy somehow a horrible thing? Why are romhacks and modifications so bad?
>Why is a backup copy somehow a horrible thing?
What do you think copyright means? Hint: it's in the fricking name.
But they've been compensated for their work. So what harm is being committed?
>IT'S LE HECKIN LAW! THE LAW IS NEVER WRONG, CHUD!
That's not an argument. Explain who is being harmed.
>But they've been compensated for their work.
Yeah, and where do you think that money came from? The publisher. How does the publisher get money? From sales. Do you not understand how a business works? Do you not understand basic economics No, you don't understand, and even if you do, you don't care. You feel as if you are entitled to reap the benefits of the system without making any kind of contribution. You feel as if you are entitled to free entertainment. And nothing will ever convince you otherwise. You'll just keep ranting about how you deserve your gibsmedats and the Man be keeping you down and laws be rayciss and sheeeeiiiit.
>Yeah, and where do you think that money came from? The publisher. How does the publisher get money? From sales
So I can pirate as long as I put the effort in to compensate them first. Which makes DRM circumvention good as well. I'm glad we could agree.
Why are you entitled to free entertainment? Explain your logic. You do have a logical explanation, don't you? Or are you pirating just because you can? Because you have a compulsion to commit crimes? How much melanin does your skin have?
How is it free if I go out of my way to compensate them first?
There's nothing good left to bother pirating.
Anyone who says video games have stopped being entertaining needs to end themselves.
>I have other hobbies, though.
Then fricking do them and stop being a gray cloud.
>Anyone who says video games have stopped being entertaining needs to end themselves.
What's interesting is that despite saying that, they insist on pirating and playing those games anyway. It's like they don't care if they're eating shit as long as they get that shit for free. I don't understand it.
I think so. Especially if they're not going to bother to update older games for modern systems and make terrible remakes instead.
Piracy isn't just about the physical removal of an object. Piracy also includes gaining access to a service you aren't supposed to by illicit means.
>Piracy isn't just about the physical removal of an object.
It was never about the physical removal of an object.
>see something i like
>open up torrent site
>check if it has enough seeders
>click on magnet
done, i dont care about your arguments. i never will.
I can not imagine being so weak of mind that the idea of actually owning a piece of property you pay for as a moral and legal wrong.
Huh?
agreed
The argument against it is that piracy was never theft, and framing it like this capitulates that in particular instances it may be reasonably construed as such, which is untrue.
Over the years I've slowly stopped caring because most games aren't even worth downloading for free.
If I'm interested in a game at all, it's probably worth some of my money.
You guys just need better self control, and then you won't waste your time.
It misses the larger issue that live-service games can't be pirated, specifically because you can't actually own them.
>live-service games can't be pirated, specifically because you can't actually own them.
thankfully, piratechads don't play games with expiration dates
Then what is OP even trying to say?
If it's not live-service, then you can own it. If it is, then you can't pirate it because you can't own it.
You own a license which gives you the right to play what you paid for. Pirating is just being a cheap leeching homosexual skeeping his part into the transaction, as simple as. There isn't really some moral dilemma behind.
The system is anti-consumer so why not be a pirate?
People are leeching scum so why not be anti-consumer?
People are kind enough to buy games when they don't have to because of the notion that they believe they are doing the right thing. When you make it harder to buy your game than pirate it because of anti-consumer strategies like DRM and always online and 3rd party launchers to the point that a regular consumer has to download a crack just to get a decent experience then you've reached a point where it's no surprise no one has a second thought about pirating your games. At that point you can go frick yourself and go out of business because who cares?
>download a crack just to get a decent experience
>Decent experience
> At that point you can go frick yourself and go out of business because who cares?
You enjoyed the product enough to have a decent experience but frick them and go out business too.
I don't think you even attempted to understand my post so I will repeat myself with more clarity. The ONLY thing stopping someone pirating your game is a vague notion that they are doing the morally right thing by buying it.
It is absolutely NO SURPRISE that when you shit on consumers and make them jump through a bunch of hoops and give them a WORSE experience than the people who pirate the game that people will eventually just give up and flip you the bird and take what they want for free because they can do so trivially. That's life. Play ball or go frick yourself.
> The ONLY thing stopping someone pirating your game is a vague notion that they are doing the morally right thing
I got Neftlix for $10.99 because it was more conveniet than downloading to my phone. When the price went to $20 I got a hard drive. homies acting like I joined the darkside or had some internal conflict.
>A is easier than B
>Choose A
Calling people consumers is already debasing from the outset
I guess it's a matter of taking my word for it. I COULD just pirate the game and not give them money, but if I did give them money, then there is no moral quandary. Some of us just want to keep enjoying our purchases, without the threat of them being taken away. It'd be like if I bought a car, and then secretly replaced the seats with something more comfortable, and the car dealership gets pissed because they want me to pay them for it.
Yes. Copying was never theft, so it's already a false equivalence.
Piracy has never been theft. You're not stealing anything, you're being shared a copy that someone has originally bought. The ~~*crime*~~ is copyright infringement.
>The ~~*crime*~~ is copyright infringement.
aka unauthorized sharing
aka not theft since nowhere in this is anything stolen. is letting my sister play super mario world on my gba stealing?
Theft and stealing are two different things.
>Theft - removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it
Its not theft because the original owner isn't deprived from a copy.
>Stealing - to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully
It's literally stealing because you didn't have the proper rights to access it.
theft is stealing property
>you didn't have proper rights to access it
you don't have proper rights to access your friend's copy either, or a used copy, or a rental copy. problem is that first sale doctrine trumps a eula, so publishers can't pursue such infractions for physical copies, which is why there's a push for digital
making a copy of something without the copyright holder's consent is very much a violation of their copyright, but it's not theft and it's not stealing, it's copyright infringement
Yes, i am stealing your hard earned work
What are you going to do about it homosexual?
just missing the "go suck Black person dick" part, you're halfway there.
Piracy isn't stealing because it's copyright infringement. You made a copy without permission.
Lack of ownership rights with digital media is a completely different problem. It doesn't change what piracy is because piracy was never theft to begin with
I only pay for hardware. Anything digital gets pirated, you dicksuck!
Not my problem. I pirate everything that is digital.
It doesn't exist in the physical world therefore it's useless.
i reckon the more legally acceptable argument would be you're allowed to back up and continue playing digital games of which you have record of purchasing despite their availability tbh. the exception would be if you resold your license you'd also have to remove your own backup, but if it gets removed from market then you're totally allowed to keep your copy. taking away access to a game's singleplayer content even if you're banned from multiplayer for saying words should be illegal.
yes go nuts with it just stop being a gay about it
AI will deal with any DRM in the future. Corpo Black folk seethe to the brim. israelites seethe to the brim.
They made up a problem with piracy because it affects their profits.
Now they're selling "solutions" for piracy in form of DRM. See Sony DADC and Denuvo.
We are at a point where israelites trying to out israelite other israelites, but you as a consumer still pay more and get nothing in return. Even worse. You get shafted by DRM malware and eventually will be forced to upgrade your system. This takes away control from your hands for something that you paid for and yet in their terms do not own.
Piracy is the only way.
The legitimate argument against this is as follows:
Arguing semantics doesn't justify israelite behavior.
Jewing israelites still adds more israelitery into the world.
Just don't play games and do something else if you disagree with the terms, you pathetic homosexual. (I mean that last one, stop buying or playing games from gay companies no matter how "good" they seem or how FOMO you are, let them burn you morons, pirating only validates their efforts in the end)
>stop defending yourself from someone trying to attack you, that just makes more violence in the world
Nah.
>being a consolegay
>complaining about getting fricked in the ass repeatedly
But why?
>Steam Master Race
>even if a game is removed for purchase, for any reason, including developer copyright infringement, we can still redownload the game forever
Software like games are protected more by copyright law than that of property and theft. When you "buy a game", you're actually buying a license to copy that game in a very specific way that allows you to play it. The license agreement forbids you from copying to distribute. If you do this anyway you break the agreement and make an unauthorized copy- an act which is legally defined as a crime.
So yeah maybe technically you can't call software piracy stealing, but it's still defined as a crime.
Are the games being removed games that are still popular or is it games that are so old you're never going to play again and people are b***hing just to b***h?
Say you pay 60 dollars for a game. You play it, beat, play it, beat it again. At some point you're going to put the game aside to forget it and never touch it again. So who cares if it's removed it's not like it's something you'd even notice.
Howthereforever if it's like newer games then I see the hullaballoo.
juden
How about instead of using it as an excuse to be a thieving Black person you demand better from your governments to have them force publishers and distributers to be better (not you euros frick off)