And why are names for video game genres so fricking awful? Other types of media don't have this problem.
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Is there a single worse name for a genre than roguelike/roguelite?
And why are names for video game genres so fricking awful? Other types of media don't have this problem.
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seems decent. i get that you may dislike it. in terms of the word rogue itself, i think it makes sense for the genre.
roguelike and roguelite are not the same thing, this fricking dumb image makes no sense at all
explain. in the meantime, i'll keep calling dargons dragons.
Rogue is an RPG, and like many RPGs, it had its own mechanics and features people liked and wanted to copy, so the games that copied it were called Rogue-likes. The same happened with the RPG called Dragon Quest; many people liked that game, and created Dragon Quest clones, creating a sub-genre of RPG common in Japan. Rogue never advertised itself as a PDL, so you're just fighting against a tsunami of what's already been established as a game term. And I doubt you'll have success like the guys who took the Shooter genre that are split between Horizontal and Vertical Shooter, and got people to retroactively call them Schmups.
Daily reminder that if it doesn’t adhere to the Berlin Interpretation, it isn’t a roguelike.
http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Berlin_Interpretation
Not reading all that but I'm happy for you
>reviews say game is a rougelite
>when actually it's just a isometric metroidvania
>anon posts pictures of a cartoon frog 10 years after it became stale
>Tranon dilates, seethes and cries about a cartoon frog because he’s a nazi or something
no, it's because you moronic phoneBlack folk can't let the meme die and keep posting the same boring images with minor edits for over a decade
you don't even need to fill imageboards with copypasted bot posts when you bio-bots are here already
I was never going to stop posting them but now I'm especially not going to stop posting them if it's going to make you seethe like that.
>metroidvania
Such pathetic naming
What would you prefer?
>metroidvania
hollowlike is the term now. metroidvania stopped being relevant once hollow knight became the gold standard for the series
>Other types of media don't have this problem.
I'd like to remind you that there's an literally entire genre of literature called "fantasy."
It's because, contrarily to vidya, even cinema genres were invented before the fall of civilisation
Imagine if movie genres were named like video game genres:
>Gunshooter
>ADM (Action Drama Movie)/WADM/JADM
>Godfargo
>Inceptionlike/Inceptionlite
its actually a boi-like
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I still don't know what a roguelike/lite is. At this point I am too afraid to ask
It's when you get stuff that slightly better than stuff before but if you die, you start over without it. I think.
so minecraft?
Using a search engine isn't hard. You can also get the gist of it by just looking at what kind of games the labels apply to, though people apply "roguelite" too often when actually talking about "roguelites".
Same, and I don't want to learn.
Looks like a garbage waste of time genre anyways
Fricking "Immersive Sim" makes no fricking sense and is worthless in terms of providing information about the "genre". Only a handful of specific games and game series are called that, but they are neither more immersive nor simulate anything better than any other games. And the dumbest about it is, that there are very similar games, that somehow don't fall into that "genre". They are called First-Person-Action-RPG or Action-Adventure or whatever instead, which actually says more than nothing at all.
The most ironic thing I've seen in that regard is getting into a argument in a thread about it and in the same thread someone asked "what a immersive sim is" and got 3 different defintions from the 3 people who replied.
For the longest time I though Immersive Sim refered to games like eurotruck simulator, farming simulator, maybe stuff like harvest moon.
I hear it most often associated with Looking Glass games like Ultima Underworld, System Shock 1 & 2 and Thief series and to a lesser extent to their "successors" like Bioshocks or Prey (2017).
So games with lot of environmental interaction and ways to move around and rather open way to reach the goal?
Whoever came up with that and even uses it should have their tongue cut out and fingers cut off
Soulslike
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All three of these are wrong and I’ve said those exact things.
What does the name roguelike even mean
It's trial-and-error, not a thug simulator
It means the game is like Rogue
The names or 'purity' of genres is not as important as people make them out to be - their most useful task is giving people an idea of how a game plays if they've not touched it, and as such it'll depend on consensus.
This is the case with roguelikes, metroidvanias, wolfendooms, or the same autistic argument on /vrpg/ over what constitutes an RPG.
Ya but roguelites and roguelikes play pretty differently.
Sure, and I don't see the issue with having specific titles. I just think people get WAY too hung up on whether something applies to a particular genre - and once you start applying genre titles to things, you get groups that start getting mad if you have things that don't conform to genre norms.
You'll see it in any discussion of fighting games, and it happens a lot for RPGs like I mentioned.
>you get groups that start getting mad if you have things that don't conform to genre norms.
Genre norms exist for a reason, if a game advertises itself as a TPS, and is in fact played in first person mode, I am going to be unhappy for a good reason
What about a game that goes between first and third person views, what should that be classed as? One with shooting and an -optional- third person viewpoint? Even seemingly black-and-white examples like TPS can have outliers or weirdness to them.
for proper outliers yes
issue is not that the weird Roguelike hybrids are using the tag
it's that literally 90% of the games under steam that have the Roguelike tag don't even qualify for the hybrid status, they're imply not Roguelikes
problem is that literally 90% of the games on Steam these days use the Roguelike tag to sell their game, not to actually indicate they have Roguelike gameplay
Makes finding new releases that are proper Roguelikes a pain and is strangling the genre because said genuine new releases don't get the exposure they need to survive
Same problem with the "shoot 'em up" tag, morons use this tag for top down shooters, platformers with barely any dodging, vampire survivor clones, or even FPS games.
Unfortunatly its a self feeding bs. As an indie dev you would be dumb to not use the roguelike tag on a roguelite cause the average roguelite fan is a moron and will search for roguelikes instead.
The homosexuals who get butthurt about this particular word don't even play actual old-school roguelikes, it's just an easy way of being a nuisance and shit up discussion when they don't have any arguments to do so.
>Verification not required.
post ascension or GTFO
Sure we do.
Everyone is so dishonest these days that we can’t agree on definitions for anything. If we are in the age where we can’t agree on the definition of “woman” what the frick makes you think we can agree on nuanced genre definitions
I actually like the PDL term. Its more descriptive than roguelike
Wojakplebs sure love the smell of wieners in their mouth. Must run in the family.
I still to this day have no what a roguelike is
Take a minute to google it then
I mean this is the solution to any genre woes, just look up what you do in the game instead of reading a one or two word summary and assuming all the mechanics from that.
>see "blargenfink" tag on game in Steam
>don't read reviews, look up gameplay footage, ask around, just buy it because it says blargenfink RIGHT THERE
>"WHAT THE FRICK WHY DOESN'T THIS HAVE X FEATURE IT'S CLEARLY NOT A BLARGENFINK"
>Let's unpack this
kek. why do people say that?
As long as you make a clear distinction between traditional roguelikes and binding of isaac I don’t really give a shit what you call them
>Character action
>Metroidvania
>Immersive sim
I play erotic MMUDs
Like calling slightly more complex hack and slash games "character action" gives off the same kind of up his own ass attitude as calling some comic books "graphic novels".
Tbh I can't pin down what makes a roguelike roguelike even now. Idk I think I might autistic
I think at this point for most people the only characteristic that matters is that you have "runs". Which is almost the same thing as permadeath and which usually requires procedural generation for variety.
It's not your autism this time, the term has degraded in meaning because of how much experimentation has been done mixing "roguelike elements" into various kinds of games. It's a lot less specific now than it used to be.
Or just stupid
Yes
>it's obvious from the context
No it isn't, that's the problem. It's incredibly hard to find actual roguelikes now
I always say ropelike and people just pretend they heard what they thought was correct.
I talk about ropelikes every chance I get to pull this ruse on as many unsuspecting victims as I can. One day the thirdf term will come into the lexicon and it will be "ropelikes".
I will set back and laugh as chaos ensues.
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go right ahead friend
Much appreciated anon. Have this picture of a dog licking a snake in return.
Sport sims.
This. People only play them because they've got celebrity and brand names on them. They're like people who play trash Dragon Ball games because they have Goku on them.
>roguelike
>metroidvania
>dungeon crawler
Have any other genres been so grossly misapplied?
Rpg
"Puzzle game" applying to everything from Tetris to point-and-clicks to Bioshock Infinite.
i only correct people on this if theyre gays who play shit like isaac
>"Rogue? that's a pretty fun beneath apple manorlike"
I think most game genre names are pretty stupid and vague. Videogames are just hard to categorize.