>I want to start this series.
Why are you waiting for the shitty redrawn sprites? Emulate the game and use a CRT filter and experience it as intended. Also play the games in order. S1 > S2 > Suikogaiden > S3.
>I want to start this series.
Why are you waiting for the shitty redrawn sprites? Emulate the game and use a CRT filter and experience it as intended. Also play the games in order. S1 > S2 > Suikogaiden > S3.
Also saves can be imported to the next game each time including from 2 (PS1) to 3 (PS2) which is a feature that the ports will probably not have.
>Yeah I'm sure that the suikoden 1 and 2 port will have a save import feature for the non-existent suikoden 3 port >non-existant suikoden 3 port
Why would this collection, explicitly stated to only contain Suikoden 1 and 2, have a feature for a game you just admitted was non-existant?
The same thing that makes all villains good really, their origin story.
If you can say 'frick man that's rough.. yeah I can see why they turned out that way' you're like 90% of the way there. Luca absolutely fits the bill and if you aren't a big suikoden nerd a lot of it is really left up to interpretation.
The plotline with his father in suikoden 2 is a good example of this. You know he hates the kings guts with every fiber of his being but you don't really get to know why other than some shit went down with his mother in his childhood.. unless you do some digging and wrap back around to my original point of 'Okay I would probably snap too if that shit happened to me'
His family was assaulted by bandits hired by Muse, his father fled like a b***h while his mother was gangraped and he was forced to watch the whole thing.
Trauma is mfer, especially childhood trauma. But the game does a great job of painting him as just a homicidal maniac with all the slaughter he does early on. When you start to get wind of him having some measure of sanity (or even simply a reason for being batshit insane) it's almost to the point where you fight him.
Let's not downplay his bossfight either, you set up three whole six man parties to take him on before fighting him in a duel to the death, dude was no pissbabby.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Let's not downplay his bossfight either, you set up three whole six man parties to take him on before fighting him in a duel to the death, dude was no pissbabby.
His three-wave fight would've been more challenging if you actually had to WIN, though. Provided you understand how duels work in S2 whether he has a full bar or half doesn't really matter.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I agree that the payoff of actually winning all three fights was lackluster, but KNOWING you did it is such a good feeling, it's like beating the first boss in a game that you were clearly meant to die too. Knowing you have such a good grasp on the games mechanics can sometimes feel like enough of a reward.
Also slapping Luca's shit with Nina's schoolbooks as the final blow will never not be the crowning achievement lol
9 months ago
Anonymous
I agree that the payoff of actually winning all three fights was lackluster, but KNOWING you did it is such a good feeling, it's like beating the first boss in a game that you were clearly meant to die too. Knowing you have such a good grasp on the games mechanics can sometimes feel like enough of a reward.
Also slapping Luca's shit with Nina's schoolbooks as the final blow will never not be the crowning achievement lol
I think some of the original impact is lost nowadays since Luca fight is probably the one thing anyone who's heard about Suikoden 2 knows about. You won't exactly be surprised anymore, nor will you scramble to get 18 characters combat-ready, or get Fire Emblems from Matilda to reduce fire damage. Ironically, one way you CAN frick yourself is if you didn't keep up with sharpening your weapons as duels become way more difficult then.
It's simple. He is the source of Suikoden 2's tension.
You play the game as teenagers. The first thing that happens in the game is that Luca, an adult prince, murders his own youth brigade and very nearly kills you. The prince murders the children of his kingdom. That right there makes him threatening, and then during the next segment at the Mercenary Fort, there is tension in the air as you know he's coming. And then he does come, and we see him massacre a village and kill npcs who had been nice to you a short while before. And then it just keeps going, as you continually flee while Luca is on your heels slaughtering everyone you meet. By the time the war battles roll around, you Luca is absent and you instead struggle against his lieutenants, so when Luca himself finally shows up he feels insurmountable. And then in the final fight against Luca, you have that tense violin music playing, and the tension ramps up as you lose one party after another trying to take him down, running out of party members to fight with.
S2 loses a lot of tension after Luca dies. Jowy is an interesting villain, but he doesn't exude threat like Luca did.
I felt that Suikoden 1 was the best at keeping up high tension all the way through the game. You meet the emperor and your father who is a general right away, and find out that they built the empire and are very strong warriors. Then half an hour later, you become an enemy of the empire and thus liable to be killed by these strong men. And then the stakes keep building as you find out that the resistance base has been wiped out, then the elf village that helped you gets wiped out, and then your father marches on your base and tries to kill Parn, and then you kill your father. Then Gremio is horrifically killed. Then Teo dies after 300 years of running. The game felt like a long cogna line of ruination.
Suikoden 3 had a lot of tension for the first 40 hours, since the protagonists were being framed for atrocities they didn't commit and tricked into going to war against each other. That was very infuriating and a powerful motivation to take down the real big bad. Then you find out who he is... and he's just really lethargic and disinteresting, sucks a lot of the tension out.
For S5 I never really felt much tension outside the bad guys' army assaulting your castle and Roy going out onto the bridge and sacrificing himself for you.
Suikoden 5 is generally pretty mediocre EXCEPT the flashback to what happened in the castle, which is the best piece of writing in the series. >I've had it with all these worthless subjects >people who don't even know right from wrong
For me personally, it's just how the story shows how menacing and dangerous he is, and how his presence always sort of looming behind you in your adventures, knowing that eventually you have to face him.
And when you do, it takes 9 people to weaken him enough until MC finally dealt the final blow.
I played S2 first back in middle school. Probably one of my most memorable experience in gaming.
I like how every 'unwinnable' situation in those games has a specific post-battle scene if you somehow manage to win them (either with an insane amount of preparation or cheats).
Reminds me of Lufia.
the game's been completed since march and been leaked since june, konami's literally just sitting on it to wait for eiyuden to come out so they can frick with murayama
Konami is waiting for Eiyuden's release date to be announced so they can frick it over with this.
Eiyuden FRICKING WHEN
>I want to start this series.
Why are you waiting for the shitty redrawn sprites? Emulate the game and use a CRT filter and experience it as intended. Also play the games in order. S1 > S2 > Suikogaiden > S3.
Rumors are saying October. I think it's pretty likely that it's gonna get announced in the Nintendo Direct.
backgrounds unironically look better in the remaster
Also saves can be imported to the next game each time including from 2 (PS1) to 3 (PS2) which is a feature that the ports will probably not have.
>which is a feature that the ports will probably not have.
There's no reason why not. The modern console/PC releases of Kiseki have that.
Yeah I'm sure that the suikoden 1 and 2 port will have a save import feature for the non-existent suikoden 3 port
moron
You are severely stupid. All it requires is a readable save file, just like the originals.
>Yeah I'm sure that the suikoden 1 and 2 port will have a save import feature for the non-existent suikoden 3 port
>non-existant suikoden 3 port
Why would this collection, explicitly stated to only contain Suikoden 1 and 2, have a feature for a game you just admitted was non-existant?
Also
>implying anyone wants a Suikoden 3 port
low IQ post
Not just the mainline games, but the spin-offs (Tactics and Gaiden) also use saves from other games to unlock large amounts of content.
Ironically they are not touching up sprites at all. Biggest change is diagonal movement from the PSP version and rather huge background changes.
they're adding a running animation to 1 at least
Do you mean portraits? I looked at both and I like them both though I don't have the nostalgia for the originals since I haven't played them.
>and use a CRT filter and experience it as intended
have a nice day
Did you forget to dilate today?
Eh.
fellas, what is it that makes luca such a good villain?
serious question
Being an unapologetic monster.
The same thing that makes all villains good really, their origin story.
If you can say 'frick man that's rough.. yeah I can see why they turned out that way' you're like 90% of the way there. Luca absolutely fits the bill and if you aren't a big suikoden nerd a lot of it is really left up to interpretation.
The plotline with his father in suikoden 2 is a good example of this. You know he hates the kings guts with every fiber of his being but you don't really get to know why other than some shit went down with his mother in his childhood.. unless you do some digging and wrap back around to my original point of 'Okay I would probably snap too if that shit happened to me'
spoil me anon, it's been too long since i finished the game
what hurt him so?
His family was assaulted by bandits hired by Muse, his father fled like a b***h while his mother was gangraped and he was forced to watch the whole thing.
i would react as violently as he did
Trauma is mfer, especially childhood trauma. But the game does a great job of painting him as just a homicidal maniac with all the slaughter he does early on. When you start to get wind of him having some measure of sanity (or even simply a reason for being batshit insane) it's almost to the point where you fight him.
Let's not downplay his bossfight either, you set up three whole six man parties to take him on before fighting him in a duel to the death, dude was no pissbabby.
>Let's not downplay his bossfight either, you set up three whole six man parties to take him on before fighting him in a duel to the death, dude was no pissbabby.
His three-wave fight would've been more challenging if you actually had to WIN, though. Provided you understand how duels work in S2 whether he has a full bar or half doesn't really matter.
I agree that the payoff of actually winning all three fights was lackluster, but KNOWING you did it is such a good feeling, it's like beating the first boss in a game that you were clearly meant to die too. Knowing you have such a good grasp on the games mechanics can sometimes feel like enough of a reward.
Also slapping Luca's shit with Nina's schoolbooks as the final blow will never not be the crowning achievement lol
I think some of the original impact is lost nowadays since Luca fight is probably the one thing anyone who's heard about Suikoden 2 knows about. You won't exactly be surprised anymore, nor will you scramble to get 18 characters combat-ready, or get Fire Emblems from Matilda to reduce fire damage. Ironically, one way you CAN frick yourself is if you didn't keep up with sharpening your weapons as duels become way more difficult then.
Great stage presence
It's simple. He is the source of Suikoden 2's tension.
You play the game as teenagers. The first thing that happens in the game is that Luca, an adult prince, murders his own youth brigade and very nearly kills you. The prince murders the children of his kingdom. That right there makes him threatening, and then during the next segment at the Mercenary Fort, there is tension in the air as you know he's coming. And then he does come, and we see him massacre a village and kill npcs who had been nice to you a short while before. And then it just keeps going, as you continually flee while Luca is on your heels slaughtering everyone you meet. By the time the war battles roll around, you Luca is absent and you instead struggle against his lieutenants, so when Luca himself finally shows up he feels insurmountable. And then in the final fight against Luca, you have that tense violin music playing, and the tension ramps up as you lose one party after another trying to take him down, running out of party members to fight with.
S2 loses a lot of tension after Luca dies. Jowy is an interesting villain, but he doesn't exude threat like Luca did.
most of the suikodens have pacing issues like this
to be honest the only one I enjoyed thoroughly was 5 because it manages to maintain high stakes until the end
Suikoden 5 is an underrated gem
Many are filtered by the first dungeon (the forest in Lordlake), though
I felt that Suikoden 1 was the best at keeping up high tension all the way through the game. You meet the emperor and your father who is a general right away, and find out that they built the empire and are very strong warriors. Then half an hour later, you become an enemy of the empire and thus liable to be killed by these strong men. And then the stakes keep building as you find out that the resistance base has been wiped out, then the elf village that helped you gets wiped out, and then your father marches on your base and tries to kill Parn, and then you kill your father. Then Gremio is horrifically killed. Then Teo dies after 300 years of running. The game felt like a long cogna line of ruination.
Suikoden 3 had a lot of tension for the first 40 hours, since the protagonists were being framed for atrocities they didn't commit and tricked into going to war against each other. That was very infuriating and a powerful motivation to take down the real big bad. Then you find out who he is... and he's just really lethargic and disinteresting, sucks a lot of the tension out.
For S5 I never really felt much tension outside the bad guys' army assaulting your castle and Roy going out onto the bridge and sacrificing himself for you.
Suikoden 5 is generally pretty mediocre EXCEPT the flashback to what happened in the castle, which is the best piece of writing in the series.
>I've had it with all these worthless subjects
>people who don't even know right from wrong
For me personally, it's just how the story shows how menacing and dangerous he is, and how his presence always sort of looming behind you in your adventures, knowing that eventually you have to face him.
And when you do, it takes 9 people to weaken him enough until MC finally dealt the final blow.
I played S2 first back in middle school. Probably one of my most memorable experience in gaming.
I don't know why I said 9 people, obviously I meant 18.
masculine bully is a lot more familiar villainy IRL than weird homosexuals credibly trying to destroy the universe
They better remaster Suikogaiden, bros.
I like how every 'unwinnable' situation in those games has a specific post-battle scene if you somehow manage to win them (either with an insane amount of preparation or cheats).
Reminds me of Lufia.
just play the leak bro
Nani?!
that's at least a legit choice. unlike screwing yourself out of the good ending by accidentally choosing the wrong monster to recruit.
what leak
the game's been completed since march and been leaked since june, konami's literally just sitting on it to wait for eiyuden to come out so they can frick with murayama
ill believe you. so where would I get it?
link??
Are they going to fix the inventory system?