Is there some kind of revisionist psyop happening with ORAS recently or do people actually think that it was a good remake?
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Is there some kind of revisionist psyop happening with ORAS recently or do people actually think that it was a good remake?
The entire psyop is this board going radio silent on Palworld praying that it will magically get memory holed in time when the next pokeslop gets revealed.
This
Masuda's bugs are far up the anuses of the jannies too, since they nuke palworld threads faster than porn in the OP
I would like to talk about Palworld, especially the designs, but it is not allowed and all the threads get deleted really fast.
You could go to Ganker where Palworld is actually on topic, moron.
Then go talk about it on Ganker you fricking moron. This is a Pokémon board not a Palworld board. Ganker covers all other games. Goodbye.
>FOTM didn't even last two weeks
>People moved on to full games releasing recently and dropped the early access ark clone
>Can't even make threads last by baiting pokegays anymore
>THOUSANDS OF Ganker AND /VP/ USERS COLLUDED TO STOP TALKING ABOUT PALWORLD BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID
FPBP. Palworld has raped pokegays into a stunned stupor. The troony jannies are happy to let the board go to shit but as soon as a strong competitor comes along suddenly they’re keen to do their jobs. Fricking homosexuals.
If you want to discuss shitty early access survival games then go to Ganker. /vp/ is for the discussion of poke girls and shitty early access-tier pokemon games.
Palslop is a fad.
TWO MORE WEEKS
it's already memory holed, it was meant to be a flash in the pan trendy streamer game like goat simulator from the very start
>this board going radio silent on Palworld
I'm surprised it died so quick, I though the fad would at least last a month. The game just keeps going down on steam and more people are playing counterstrike than palworld right now.
I don't want this to happen, but it definitely will though
Wow your shitty early access survival crafting trend game got forgotten. Who could have predicted that.
Anyway, the adults are talking now, you can leave.
I welcome the game because it will put the pressure on GF's balls to make better games from now on (hopefully). Also, frick palworld for blatantly ripping of so many designs. If their next game or DLC contains even more ripoffs, they should be sued into oblivion.
Watch the next game sell even more than 27m because of people "proving" that they love the series out of spite over Palworld
Frick it, do three versions
>pokemon has been bad since it became 3D muh graphic open world slop
>other 3D muh graphics open world slop comes out and is a success
>"surely that will influence them to go in the opposite direction and make actually good pokemon games again"
>NOOOOOO PEOPLE MOVED ON FROM MY FOTM SLOPEN WORLD SHIT PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE TALK ABOUT IT ON THIS UNRELATED BOARD UGH THIS IS GENOCIDE YOU NAZIS
sneed
>Pokemon board doesn't care about a non Pokemon game
WHOA!
FLAVOR OF THE MONTH
Look at all of the damage control that arrived 55361467 55362453 55362861 55363127 55364376 55364994 55366084 55366191 55366599. FPBP.
people always thought it was a good remake moron
this
the actual psyop is people pretending pokemon games were controversial before the switch
>Journos say it's good so it's good!
Source that it isnt?
>People now love Chandelure
>People now love ORAS
>People now love Sun and Moon
It’s called a Mandela affect
BDSP was so bad that people softened up on it
This is how Pokemon works in general each generation is worse than the last.
Yup. And then when the next remake comes, it'll be so bad that BDSP defenders will grow in numbers from brand shills to people who are genuinely baffled it got worse.
BDSP cemented my opinion that ORAS is garbage. ORAS did absolutely nothing for Hoenn.
yeah, it did nothing for hoenn except
>add three extra gens worth of pokemon to catch and trade
>add online play
>add more qol features
>further flesh out the story and characters
>keep and expand preexisting side content
>add (non-battle frontier) postgame content
look, I think cutting the battle frontier was bullshit too, but it's delusional to act like it didn't add anything while BDSP did
People keep saying this and I don't understand why. BDSP was literally DP with almost no changes. No better no worse. ORAS was worse than RS, why is BDSP considered the worse remake? Is it just because RS was better than DP so people think a worse version is still better than DP?
BDSP is DP but poorly implemented, poorly balanced and unplayably broken on release. You’d need to be an actual soulless unanimated object to think it’s the same as DP, DP felt intelligently designed, a game created for the platform it came out on, BDSP is a DS game trying to run on a switch, it’s the videogame equivalent of a troony. It also removed content from DP and all the stuff it added is either modern qolshit that shouldn’t be in an actually good pokemon game, poorly implemented nonfunctional shit, or both. It’s bad rom hack tier.
Also I’m sorry but you’re mentally ill if you think RS is better than DP
ORAS at least added a lot of new shit like soaring, new Megas, character redesigns, new plot elements, and lots of current gen mechanics. The main reason why people disliked it was because it excluded stuff from the third version like the Battle Frontier. So it feels like a sidegrade than a true definitive Hoenn experience
BDSP has the same third gen exclusion problem except it doesn’t even add the new stuff that makes it feel like a new experience or sidegrade. And the current gen mechanics was only stuff like Fairy type and QoL. Not even Pokemon past Gen 4 were added.
Now that you mention it, I literally never saw anyone speak positively about these games prior to this.
No they didn't. I've been here since the board creation and I bought ORAS on launch. They were clowned on so hard as poor remakes, the fact there was no Emerald content for one, for two the battle frontier construction image got memed here for literally years after. Everyone said they were lazy and were disappointed with them because at the time the standard it was being compared to was HGSS which mostly seemed to be making a definitive edition of that gen where as ORAS did not. So most people were really disappointed with the game.
However, standards have slipped hard during that time and things have gotten so dire that when you compare ORAS to modern titles, it doesn't seem anywhere near as bad.
The only way BDSP will be "redeemed" is if people use it as a base for fangames/mods since it was made in Unity, it's basically it's only positive factor. I thought there'd be a lot more out there by now than there is though on that front, so I'm no longer holding my breath on this.
I'm a millennial and I speak positively about XY, but that is heavily based on how it functioned when it was live (GTS, wondertrade, PSS). Breeding was easier, getting in to competitive was easier and it introduced me to a lot of those aspects of the franchise. However the game is very clearly unfinished, at the time I thought it was just teething pains for the 3D transition so they ran out of time but little did I know it was the beginning of the end.
> Breeding was easier
Which is a bad thing, honestly. XY was the point where breeding became TOO easy.
>MUH BATTLE FRONTIER
Dude
>YOUR SOARING
>No they didn't. I've been here since the board creation and I bought ORAS on launch. They were clowned on so hard as poor remakes
To be fair, "guerrilla advertisers" come onto Ganker often to advertise nu product.
>d-d-doesn’t count
zzz
LGPE and BDSP made people realize ORAS could have been so much worse
actually I'm not being fair to LGPE. it's also leagues better than BDSP even despite the shitty go mechanics
I think it's decent actually. Granted I was 11 when I played it so my nostalgia might be clouding my judgement. I still think it has a great soundtrack though.
People like who played these games as kids and younger have taken over the board for a while now.
Alpha Sapphire remains the last Pokemon game I spent money on.
>I was 11 when I played it
You must be over 18 to post here.
they were always good, only autists cared about the battle frontier
It was mostly disappointment, which overshadowed the games good features by a shit ton.
Battle Frontier was considered the best facility (and still is) and the fact that they decided not to bring it back bc zoomers play Gatcha and Angry Birds made people have second thoughts on the game quality. Given that Genshin Impact came out and proved them right, I suppose I can't blame them.
gacha is cringe but genshin is one of the only gachas that prioritizes being a game over a gacha, so it's really not that bad
The kiddies from that gen got older and started shilling that shit cus nostalgia, dont mind them
BDSP being good with LGPE and PLA being bad made people realize ORAS was all right all along.
BDSP being absolute garbage made people appreciate what we once had. I have never seen so many people say they never finished a game as with BDSP.
I cried tears of joy at the ending theme. Really loved that remake ^_^
Usually, I dont like newer gens
turns out nobody gives a shit about MUH BATTLE FRONTIER
Recently replayed OR to shiny hunt the postgame legendaries, and I gotta say the game is pretty good still, only part that really bothers me is how you get the latios dumped on you right after u get surf which just feels really forced. I cleaned the whole game pretty quick with bkaziken which was fun because I usually pick treecko in my hoenn games. The side dungeons like sea mauville are cool additions, and I like that the mega stones encourage you to explore different areas and feel like proper rewards for doing so, letting you make your favorite pokemon more powerful.
And I'm currently 707 resets on registeel rn
was the shitty off-model image of may really necessary for your comment?
Things look better under comparison.
Honestly, compared to shit like LGPE and BDSP, ORAS at least attempted to bring the game up to modern standards.
I'd still rather play Emerald nowadays, but Gen 6 Hoenn isn't a terrible way to experience it.
It's bad, but with BDSP it looks decent in comparison.
That's all.
ORAS was always and still is divisive, you probably just never ran into praise. I think it's ass but still an improvement over XY.
I think the DexNav is a cool feature and that the game improves character writing overall (rival Brendan aside), but other than that it juet falls flat and feels almost spiteful as a remake. Not even talking about the Battle Frontier shit, dumbed down movesets and routes drained of their personality all around. Anyone who thinks it's a good remake ate paint chips as a kid.
I was fine with the game, but to tell the truth most of my recorded playtime was from breeding Pokémon.
Nope, it was basically the game that confirmed that Game Freak would never improve after the shitfest of XY.
>Is there some kind of revisionist psyop happening with ORAS
Yes, having phys/spec split, megas, and no battle facilities in hoenn mindbroke the emerald and ribbon baby homosexuals, so they shat on everyone shat on it day one which made Masuda cry.
Not until people saw what happens when you get a ‘faithful’ remake did they finally go back and say “hey guys maybe ORAS wasn’t as bad as we thought haha”
>ribbon babies
Play the games zoomer. What ribbons were ribbon babies mad about that was related to a battle facility that was in RSE?
no, it's that the new games are so bad, they make the older ones look like masterpieces
I hated it but honestly it’s pretty good compared to BDSP. At least I can turn off the exp-share and the game doesn’t force friendship hacks on me. Plus I actually kinda like the graphics in some areas
Nah, Anon was right the first time. But we all know you're just a liar at the end of the day, Yawnie.
>Easiest you of my life
Yawn
Its cyclical. 12 years ago people liked sinnoh and hated on unova. 8 years ago people loved unova and hated kalos. Then people started loving kalos and hated alola and galar.
Is that you littlefireball?
Its the only decent game to come out of Gen 6 BUT to call it a good remake is a massive overstatement
Weren’t the reasons people disliked ORAS because they did stuff like changed Mauville City and changed up a lot of the story to do stuff like retcon in mega evolution and expand May and Wally’s screentime? ORAS still made many improvements to changes compared to BDSP which had literally nothing new
>expectations set sky high from HGSS
>ORAS fails to meet said expectations
That’s all it ever was, in hindsight. ORAS still had a lot of good features, and we’ve seen how much worse things can get with BDSP.
How bad will the next remake have to be for us to call BDSP a good remake?
I don’t think they can. BDSP is so bad that you see almost zero genuine praise of the games from anyone who seems like they’ve actually played them.
I honestly believe we’ll get straight up ports of the Gen 5 games. Not remakes, just ports. It only makes sense will how TPC/game freak treats remakes, getting lazy than the last one since oras. And it won’t be some cool 2D-HD thing like octopath traveler or live a live, it’ll be the literal DS games imposed onto a switch screen.
A straight port just isn't possible due to the lower screen.
Grimly funny retort: if Nintendo allowed Square to port/emulate the third FF Crystal Chronicles game from DS to Wii as-is, I do not think their Kyoto pride would suddenly swell up to stop Game Freak.
In reality, it's sort of the easiest way to do a BW and BW2 pack in type deal. Probably sell fricking millions if they do a two for one.
Would be better than them trying to improve it and fricking it up. Though they'd have to do something about the Entralink/dream world?
That would be the preferred option because it'll actually be a good game.
>Triple, Rotation, & Inverse battles don't get added in, making Battle Subway a total reskin of BDSP Battle Tower
>they don't bother making any sort of EntraLink/Global Link/Dream World replacement
>Black City + White Forest are just normal maps that don't grow or change as you interact with other people online
>they have no intentions of remaking BW2 so instead we get BW2's plot clumsily retooled into a postgame story but also "the PWT and PokeWood project has begun!"
oras is kino
I never thought it was a good remake.
This is just zoomer being more vocal on the internet, i hate it too. I hate when they praise objectively shit games like X/Y or this.
Gens 7-9 happened and made us realize how much worse things could be.
Mmm deoxys tentacles
It was the last MAINLINE remake.
BDSP was a disconnected side game
ORAS has always been a good remake. And as far as modern Pokemon goes - i,e, XY onward - it is my favourite Pokemon game. HGSS is the best remake of them all, but ORAS is quite literally the second best and it is AMAZING. New designs, new characterisations, new additions to the story. ORAS had everything.
It's always been good, it's tied for my favorite mainline game.
>but new mauvile!!
It's substantially better and now includes many QOL NPCs, and areas to explore, as opposed to the old version which was just a square to wall through. Who cares that real cities aren't like that, all pokemon towns have always been an abstraction, you're just choosing to take it literally with mauville to confirm a bias you already had before.
>b-b-but battle frontier!!
A shit feature that hardly anyone interacted with. I bet most people who cry about it being out never even beat the old one anyways. I swear, if spergs weren't whining about this so loudly, I don't think most people would have even noticed it was removed.
>LATIAS!! THEY HAND YOU LATIAS!!!
Catching legendaries isn't fun. You literally just false swipe and sleep, then mash A to spam balls. Soft reseting isn't fun. The only thing that's important for a legendary is for the encounter to feel special, which the Latias encounter does.
Meanwhile, the pros outweigh the cons 10x
>Soaring
A fun mechanic that took travel of them menu screen and put it in front of you.
>Dexnav
One of the most underrated and best side features of any pokemon game, and I'll always be salty it didn't stick around for later games. Walking into a new route and seeing you already have the crown for it saved a ton of time. That and searching for whatever mon your missing could actually be done with the tools in game instead of in google. Plus, chaining lets you get egg moves and hidden abilities and other fun shit, I actually got a Rock Head/Head Smash Aggron for the first time.
>spec/phys split
This still remains one of the main reasons I don't go back to replay gen 3, and including it in this game transforms the experience.
>megas
tbh I'm not the biggest fan of megas but it's undeniably new content, and people like them.
>art style
Unironically the most beautiful pokemon game on the handhelds.
>b-b-but battle frontier!!
I’m with you for everything else, but your arguments here are moronic. If anything, it makes more sense to argue for the inclusion of a modern frontier now that almost all of the barriers to entry have been removed. Training / breeding became easy in Gen 6, and we keep getting more QoL updates.
Ease of entry doesn't make it better. If DoorDash could bring you a cholera sandwich I still wouldn't order it.
Nah, they're still shit. It's just that discordtrannies loved those games and shitpost about it all the time.
Go to any thread shitposting about the DS games, mention games like ORAS and gen VII being shit and they'll lose their shit.
ORAS did actually have some good elements, but they were unfortunately outweighed by all the failures as a remake.
I hate the May redesign, they made her ugly.
>Remakes after ORAS there worse
>Somehow this impacts the quality of the game on it's own
If you go by features and additional things being added, there is a clear downwards trend since they started making remakes.
?
HGSS > ORAS = FRLG
there was no downwards trend until BDSP happened
Think about what new things each remake brought to the table besides adding things present in whatever "current gen" was hot.
FRLG added more stuff to explore with the Seviis
HGSS incorporated the Crystal plot and crowbared in a new Safari zone and battle dacility
ORAS walked back every single Emerald improvement but at least tacked on Delta
LGPE is some weird pseudo Yellow rehash catering to a completely different demographic
BDSP is just a visual sidegrade
BDSP expanded the dex and availability with Underground. I had an Elekid by second gym iirc
That was the only objectively refreshing thing they did. Underground was the sloggy part of the original without contest, and it only existed for tedious money grinding. However they completely revamped it to actually be playable content. However BDSP:
>Still keeps the story structure of the original, which means its still boggling terrible pacing wise compared to Platinum
>TMs are back to being limited, sure they give you like 10 but the fact they did this to begin with makes no sense
>HM reliance is fricking still ass, however YOU DO have an auto HM slave through the app so I suppose this is the only other good thing
>Battles still feel clunky and slow. And they for some fricking reason worked on the same coding and design to a TEE. Which means a lot of its jank still exists
>Locking platinum mons to the underground sucks absolute balls
>BDSP is also somewhat bogged down by forced EXP Share. Out of all things to downgrade, why in the frick did they keep this in but not retain TMs being unlimited
>The affection mechanic is ass
ORAS has its issues sure, but it had a balance of amazing QoL additions while autistically trying to keep itself 1:1. But unlike HGSS, that attempt wasn't as bad.
>>BDSP is also somewhat bogged down by forced EXP Share. Out of all things to downgrade, why in the frick did they keep this in but not retain TMs being unlimited
>>The affection mechanic is ass
I've never had to work around this shit in Pokemon before. I'd rather have the odd Graveler grinding in the exit of Victory Road over needed to run two teams so that my main team doesn't overlevel and use bitter items to ensure affection never becomes a thing. Fricking joke. Glad I didn't pay for it.
If I wanted to catch mons to fill the dex had to use my back up team. If I wanted to spawn rare mons in Underground I had to use my back up team. If I wanted to play the game between gyms 4 and 6 I had to split my team in two so I don't overlevel the members not doing anything. Unbelievable.
Don't worry, with the box anywhere function they fixed their own problem!
>Amazing QoL additions
Lmao
>discounts expanded secret bases
>discounts dexnav
>discounts soaring
>"b-but frlg added some islands that take an hour to plow through and have zero replayability while not even bothering to copy/paste in a battle facility like HGSS and ORAS did so that makes it good"
>while not even bothering to copy/paste in a battle facility
Copy paste from where exactly?
it also hd a lot less to work with.
ORAS completely ignored all plot improvements E made to push two versions.
How is that not squandered potential?
But hey, at least you get a free Lati shoved in halfway through the game.
>Copy paste from where exactly?
Ruby and Sapphire, moron.
>ORAS completely ignored all plot improvements E made
What plot improvements?
all i could think of is
>the guy that stalks you until you join the battle frontier
>getting fug to tell kyogre and groudon to shut the frick up
>What plot improvements?
You know how there are two teams with opposing goals that barely interact?
Because they are not in the same games?
Let's not ignore how HGSS walked back some of the improvements from Crystal, namely actually being able to get some of the Johto mons before Kanto, and retained the horrible Pokegear rematch system instead of adopting the Vs. Seeker.
Schizo post
???
>ORAS walked back every single Emerald improvement
MUH BATTLE FRONTIER
Literally BDSP is the only gen that's arguably a true downgrade.
If you think ORAS is bad because "MUH BATTLE FRONTIERINOS!!! I WANT TO WASTE 100 HOURS FIGHTING BULLSHIT AI!" you're a homosexual.
ORAS would have been great if it just had another six months or year of dev time and no Masuda crying about mobile games.
There are better romhacks of Emerald than ORAS.
There are better fangames than romacks of Emerald
Essentials>romhacks
The only people still malding about ORAS are just bitter frontiergays that their rng facility will never be relevant ever again outside of text cameos. ORAS was a fine remake- a bit on the easy side but there's a lot of changes to the point where it's superior to the originals outside of the nostalgia factor. The actual fricking revisionist psyop is people pretending that Sun and Moon and Sword and Shield were good games
i tried replaying it recently and idk if i developed god awful zoom adhd or what but after blowing through the first three, four gyms so quickly back to back with not much else happening i just got bored and didnt feel like continuing
Oras was very boring because of how they toned down the difficulty with xp share without tuning the game for it. More pokemon are also usable due to the special physical split in later gens so you'll naturally steamroll through everything, and that's not even mentioning mega evolution latio/as that you get insanely early
You probably ought to have paced the game out for yourself or something, like catching and filling out the Dexnav
New coke syndrome
BDSP was so bad that it made oras look amazing.
The gen 5 remakes will go back to the mid level of effort oras had and will be hailed as the greatest remakes of the series
It was disappointing but serviceable.
That hurts less on repeat playthroughs.
I enjoy shiny hunting on it
Remember
The one thing going for it is oras feels innovative and like an actual remake, changing content and having a whole new control style while keeping the overall structure the same like the resident evil remakes.
If oras had better balance, used the emerald story, and gave you latios/latias later I think less people would complain
>youtubegays don't have standards
thanks for reminding me
>"this will show them!!!"
>posts poll from some obscure zoomer youtuber
This again proves that only zoomer homosexuals defend shit like ORAS and the Alola games.
I always thought it was good. I was bitter about the batter frontier, but the pain of that has lessened over the years
i dont know, but i thought it was an ok remake. I still play it from time to time.
ORASS is objectively the shittiest remake.
>Casualize the already weak gameplay even more.
>Awful remixes.
>Garbage redesigns.
>Making white characters randomly black.
>Shitty gimmicks
>Megas
>Casualize the already weak gameplay even more
As opposed to BDSP? You're genuinely moronic.
>Awful remixes.
Subjective
>Garbage redesigns.
Subjective, but it added a lot more flavor than BDSP did.
>Making white characters randomly black.
Sharteen meme
>Shitty gimmicks
Elaborate on it then. Because stuff like the Dexnav, Lati roaming, and improved QoL Mechanic additions were fine. But I think you're clueless to what you're even saying.
>Megas
Subjective however it was infinitely more tame than Dynamax and Tera.
Tldr, you're a homosexual.
Again, elaborate instead of just shitposting. I'll wait for your strawman paragraph.
>Subjective
Anyone who uses this word is fricking morones.
>morones
Holy DS Zoomerinos are you also a ESL too?
Spic
>As opposed to BDSP? You're genuinely moronic.
Even with the friendship mechanic, BDSP is still significantly more difficult than ORASS it's not even funny. You can complain about it in BDSP but it just shows how much worse it is in ORASS.
>Subjective.
It's not. The music sounds like shit to anyone with working ears. Compare it to the remixes for the other remakes where even if you prefer the originals, the remixes are still good like with HGSS and BDSP.
>Subjective, but it added a lot more flavor than BDSP did
Not really since the redesigns are all downgrades. The Sinnoh games already had top tier designs (better than original RSE) so there was no need to mess with perfection.
>Sharteen meme
How is it a meme? What's gained from turning Brendan, Brawly and all of Team Aqua black?
>stuff like the Dexnav, Lati roaming, and improved QoL Mechanic additions were fine
Kek.
>Subjective however it was infinitely more tame than Dynamax and Tera
Megas are shit. Not only do they all look ugly and ruined some Pokemon that will never get evolutions now but also from a gameplay perspective. At least terra and dynamax opens up more strategies and tactics besides Super Saiyan I win button.
TLDR: You're gay
the characters in RSE are japanese
>Making Japanese characters randomly black when they're actually just super tanned
I like it, it did some things right and other things wrong, but more right things than wrong
>spicGODS out of nowhere
I assume it's because BDSP was slop
>do people actually think that it was a good remake?
no
No. People are just finally getting over it not being Emerald, like HGSS was Crystal. Once you get past that, you realise that yeah, they were okay. Just not great. Certainly better than XY.
bros...
gen3 / gen4 contain remakes of the other two. So I can see the logic of those having the lowest votes.
You can't have their remakes if the original source is gone forever.
That wasn't specified in the question. FRLG and HGSS are part of gen 3 and 4 simple as.
The images literally imply that it's just the original games and their respective regions.
hoennturds kneel to sinnohGODS
It was always a good remake. Gen 6 and 7 sweep the whole franchise
The bigger psyop was everyone suddenly liking gen 4 and thinking BDSP was a good remake.
Gen 4 was liked well enough
Everyone always liked gen 4, DP pretty much kickstarted a second pokemania. DP being bad is modern revisionism from 2017-2018 most likely kickstarted by GF shills trying to lower expectations before BDSP and make up "flaws" for the remakes to "fix". Notice how they also started shitting on GSC recently, games that are likely to get a remake this year.
I don't know about second pokemania (I guess just because pokemania was really a height I don't think they've ever reached since, Go was probably the closest thing when it released) but the series was definitely at a low point after gen 3. It became pretty unpopular around then and online at least gen 3 was probably openly disliked and "genwarred" the most because gen 3 fans were rabidly defending it so much. I don't really remember people disliking gen 4 all that much at all, in fact I'd say it got the least amount of shit of the post gen 2 gens.
I don't know if I agree with that, breeding never interested me that much prior to that gen because it was really tedious. XY was still somewhat tedious, it was just more accessible thanks to the ability to get foreign dittos easily and stuff like that. It also incentivized people to learn to breed since all the older mons were missing the kalos born badge which is how people were checking for hacks at the time, which I won't say I think is a good idea but it was something that introduced people who mostly stuck with just the story to check out these mechanics of the game and they probably wouldn't have bothered otherwise.
I guess XY breeding would have been ok if you couldn’t get free hacked 6 IV dittos from wonder trade. Your mon inherits 5 IVs but you don’t control from which parent, and you sacrifice either your 50% nature or your guaranteed IV for it, it’s not that busted. Especially since you can’t breed Ditto.
But hackers casualized it to no end by sending their shitty hackmons to everyone
Yeah for sure, I got in to breeding before I got my hands on a ditto and it was very fun to learn at the time. I remember breeding my first 6IV mon (klefki) because I was really interested in swagplay at the time and hadn't played competitive until then.
Yeah, the GTS and such eventually became a mess though because of hackers, I don't think it's even functional the last few years right?
Not that anon but in fairness I do remember people ragging on DP for that at the time. Blissey health bar was infamous after all and people were just after coming out of RSE/FRLG which were very speedy by comparison. However that was only until Platinum came out and people didn't really have complaints about Platinum so a lot of people won't remember that. (cont)
I don't really think I agree with you regarding DP/Gen 4's popularity in that regard, Pokemon took until about gen 6/Go to return to comparable popularity as Gen 1/2. From my own experience as someone who started with Gen 1;
Gen 1 (pokemania, never reached this peak again) > Gen 2 (Still riding on pokemania power but not as popular) > Gen 3 (Series crashed at this point. In my experience this was the lowest level of it's popularity) > Gen 4 (Doing better than Gen 3, no one talking about it much until the Pokewalker which became popular among college students but no one had much negative to say about this gen. Still suffering from popularity cratering via Gen 3 but imo it did well) > Gen 5 (Absolutely got shit hard on, ice cream pokemon, garbage pokemon etc. I remember finding copies of it in the bargain bin after a few years, I literally got the opposite versions of both BW/BW2 for €10 each at the time) > Gen 6 (Pokemon revival as it was the first game to release simultaneously internationally. Massive hype around this game as they stated they wanted to pander to original fans, said they knew millenials were older now which is why the protags are not kids, how they wanted millennials to experience this game with their own kids, why there was so much Kanto pandering - it was themed red/blue ffs).
After that was Pokemon Go which was really the biggest hype the series had since it's inception and it was the thing that truly put the series in to the mainstream for normies again.
By the way, my favourite gen is 4 so I'm not biased when I say this, I just don't really understand why you think it's on pokemania levels because really in my experience the series had taken a noticeable popularity dive all the way until gen 6.
>DP pretty much kickstarted a second pokemania
Absolutely not. DP were seen as laggy trash, and it was barely saved by Platinum, but that still didn't forgive its glaring flaws, like Mt. Coronet and EIGHT HMs. The second pokemania was from HGSS which was the crowning achievement of gen 4.
t. wasn’t there at the time
Literally nobody called DP laggy as it came out, this is all revisionist shit. Pokemon factually became more popular when DP came out, because everyone had a DS and most people had DP. Platinum and HGSS kept the hype alive but they didn’t sell as well as DP be a some people had already moved on. It’s hilarious how people like you who were probably 2 at the time are trying to deny what everyone lived through and remembers.
I should also add that a lot of people at the time played gen 3 games to import mons into DP and get Regigigas and new cross gen evolutions.
We all played through the supposedly superior gen 3 games, and then imported our mons and went back to playing the supposedly inferior DP. Hmmmm funny how that works
the biggest psyop is pretending everybody dislikes gen 4
It’s just that BDSP was even worse
But orass started the trend of remakes being worse than the originals
ORAS is all the good parts of XY without any of the flaws because it's using Hoenn as a base.
The main thing that's bad about it is no Battle Frontier but like, you could just go online.
It still has the shitty gen 6 mechanics and muh megas
> I do remember people ragging on DP for that at the time. Blissey health bar was infamous after all and people were just after coming out of RSE/FRLG which were very speedy by comparison
That just never happened though? Maybe a small minority of people but I never saw that until 2018. Also the hp bars are only twice as slow in DP compared to gen 3 so what you’re saying doesn’t really make sense, people would have noticed that sooner. I guess Sinnoh does have higher level mons which could have made it more noticeable in the late game but that’s about it. And gen 4 facilities actually scale everything to level 50 while in gen 3 they can potentially be higher so that’s not even necessarily true. You’re probably mistaking more recent criticism for things you heard back then, honestly
May be a country difference but where I was pokemon was everywhere during gen 4. Not as big as during pokemania but definitely bigger than it was immediately before and after
What do you mean? You can find old forum posts documenting this, it's been a thing since I've been browsing the internet in the 00's. Perhaps you just missed the talk because as I said I wouldn't have really thought of Gen 4 in general being ragged on very hard and then when platinum and HGSS came out people were fairly positive towards the gen overall, no other complaints stand out much to me (it was basically the favourite child really of the post pokemania games) but it was definitely a common thing people were saying at the time, I remember it very well.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/925601-pokemon-diamond-version/43945321
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/925601-pokemon-diamond-version/52445434
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/925601-pokemon-diamond-version/41290358
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/sti7y/dae_find_diamondpearl_to_be_so_slow_that_its/
etc, you can search yourself if you're curious (though obviously a lot is lost to time now) but yeah common rhetoric at the time.
Dunno, Pokemon had about the same phases of popularity in my country to somewhere like America, but I definitely agree it was a lot more liked than 3/5 in that era, at worst people were simply neutral to it which cannot be said for 3/5.
Yes there has been occasional threads like this but now it’s basically the first thing twittergays mention when you talk about DP, that wasn’t the case then and it was only a few isolated people that had a problem with this, kind of like for ColoXD which also has detailed animations slowing the battle system down, most people prefered it this way because most people like detailed animations like in ColoXD or gen 4 instead of just gen 3’s particles. It’s only with the current tiktok generation that wants everything to happen instantly that detailed animations have become synonymous with waste of time.
Yeah I get what you mean, it's a problem I've noticed actually in general for many of the older games. I think it's because people don't play them and just regurgitate youtube funny man's opinions. HGSS started getting the same shit with muh level curve that no one ever mentioned until the last few years, now it's the first thing people run to decry the game as being complete dogshit with.
I had a video autoplaying in the background the other day of someone talking about breeding in the older gens, he started the video by saying gens 1 and 2 were barely playable because they're so riddled with game breaking bugs, how they're a mess and barely functional etc. Then later in the video when he actually needs to play GSC to get a coin case or something, he says "I actually don't know where to get it or when in the game you can get it, because I have barely ever played these games". Yet fully with confidence 5-10 minutes prior he said they're practically non functional games. It's a big issue with older media when older fans are less prominent to know these exaggerations are nonsense, I was thinking at the time that I'll be really curious to see what people inevitably say about Gen 5 in the next few years.
People who were 11 when these remakes came out are not old enough to post there
People are already starting to be apologetic towards USUM and SS
The average Pokémon fan sadly doesn't care about the Emerald content ORAS cut like the Battle Frontier.
REEEEEEEE ZINNIA REEEEEEEE DELTA EPISODE (but unironically)
The kids who played it are older and online now. ORAS will always be subpar though. In my eyes it's just ok and that's only because RS were decent themselves. The mega shit ruins the pure Hoenb experience and they made little effort to address any critcisms
People like it because of the "mega shit". The original games still exist and are easy enough to emulate to the point you can play it on your phone. Turns out people prefer remakes that add new shit, or did you not see why people were upset with the gen 4 remakes.
If there's some "revisionist" history with oras it's because of the gen 4 remakes came out and went "you wanna pay 60 bucks for the same game again" and them going... no actually. Maybe it'd be different if it was like when the gen1/2 remakes came out and their parent's bought them the game.
The new stuff added has to be good, and Megas are not a good gimmick. Are they sorta cool for the designs? I guess, but imo Teras are unironically better in terms of functionality and not ruining gameplay
I am convinced that people who were salty about the Battle Frontier not being there we likely beat as a child. They used Gen 3 as an escape from their father cracking their skulls with his big strong hands and as a result forced themselves to view it as the best thing ever.
A part of me wished Gen 5's handling of having a substantial single player reward to encourage people to do the shitty battle facility, but people just want the wank fest of Gen 3's shit
ORAS runs and looks super great on Steam Deck.
>one screen
anon...
You press the right trigger to swap screens