Is this character assassination or just proof to Mr. House supporters that he was always wholly evil?
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Is this character assassination or just proof to Mr. House supporters that he was always wholly evil?
If the first thing you did after setting foot in NV wasn't killing that b***h Benny and right after this wienersucker don't even >> me
The character was always evil
This, and if I'm doing a evil run its Legion everytime, I don't think I've ever played this game without punching this old decreptit bastard first chance I got. No regrets
Why is Mr House now Bob Page?
he was literally not even on fricking board you wienermunching homosexual
He was complicit no matter how you frame it? He did nothing to actually stop this besides form a pillow fort in his little corner of america. He should have tried to fight this.
what the frick is he realistically gonna do against the other megacorps besides just kind of frick off and try to plan around their moronation?
Whistleblowing. Wikileaks.
So you ARE moronic?
because that works so well in the real world right?
Who do you think runs the site?
lmao, and how did that work out for virtually anything? America just extended it's surveillance of it's own citizens, despite being an obvious constitutional violation.
Complicit how? You expected him to stop a war between 2 major countries? Are you moronic? He barely had enough to save Vegas.
The man has control over all their computing devices and the OS that they run.
House is pragmatic and self-serving, not heroic. Saving the entire world would be impossible.
This is only true if the platinum chip is somehow completely unique and non-reproducible. Even without the chip, he intercepted the overwhelming majority of bombs aimed at Vegas. If he had shared whatever tech went into that, things would have gone very differently. MAD isn't really a meaningful thing if you have extremely effective anti-ICBM measures in place.
The platinum chip is proprietary software to run House's proprietary hardware. For it to work anywhere else he'd also need to install the same defense turrets everywhere.
Yes, that's what I said. If he shared that technology, the outcome would be very different. It didn't even require the platinum chip to be 99 percent effective.
>If he shared that technolog
And why would he? He does not want to save the world if it means bankrupting himself.
Why would selling his anti-ICBM tech bankrupt him? That sounds like an extremely lucrative technology.
>make anti-missile measures widespread
>someone sells schematics to the chinese or they otherwise leak
>they circumvent it
>anti-missile tech no longer works
>now you have hundreds of millions of dollars of worthless garbage
Share to whom? The Enclave who started the Great War in the first place?
According to the show it was vault tec who started the war :), and even in FO4 it was written in some logs that they also started small scale nuclear exchanges to increase the sales of vaults, until it eventually got out of control and they accidentally started the war, yet another retcon upon a retcon.
Anon, the existence of saboteurs and bad actors does not mean that such an arrangement would not work in principle. That's the argument.
China would be an American colony before they'd ever have the opportunity to crack an American missile shield.
You mean if he had built an army of Robots, counter missile volleys and millions and millions of dollars and years of infrastructure to places OUTSIDE his domain of Vegas? Where he BARELY just got it working?
Fricking stupid commies.
The missiles were intercepted by laser turrets on the roof of the lucky 38. If a single building can defend an entire city, I'm not sure that cost or time is really a factor. It's not like House stopped doing anything and everything else and dedicated his company solely to the creation of this defense system. If others had access to that technology, there's no reason to believe mass production would be impossible.
But its not House’s responsibility to SHARE the tech he made. He made it with his company, just because he didn’t share the tech doesn’t make him complicit in anything.
If anything, he did more than most governments ever did. Your logic is moronic.
My response was to the post above that claimed saving the world was impossible. This is trivially untrue. House deciding not to save it when it was well within his power is immaterial to whether it would be possible.
You’re dealing in what if’s.
>IF HE SHARED HIS TECH THE WORLD WOULD BE SAVED
is a cope that only contrarians could come up with lmao.
Yeah, no shit. What did you think we were talking about?
The main topic of House’s character being an absolute moron on the TV show while being an absolute genius in the game.
>an absolute genius in the game
hahahhaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
>I don’t have an argument
i know, anon, that’s why the point is still there lmao.
>built robco
>predicted the bombs (almost)
>saved new vegas
>built eternal life machine
>designed the lucky 38
>predicted what Caesar and the NCR will say to you
>tried to protect the courier and ultimately the chip, but due to decay of the area his securitrons did not have the signal strength to do so
at what point in the game was he not a genius
>at what point in the game was he not a genius
Entrusting his city, the mojave, and his life to a random courier who could've betrayed him at any point and did actually do so in 4/5 endings.
I don’t recall him having any other option
>has no argument
>laughs like a moron instead
Your concession has been accepted.
House's plan extended beyond the turret defense system and the platinum chip, the majority of the warheads were disarmed by brute-forcing the disarm codes with an extensive computer network.
Anyways, it's possible that House didn't predict that China would drop that bombs, which they definitely did because there's no way that Vault-Tec alone launched 77 warheads at New Vegas. But re-writing this aspect of the canon doesn't really add anything meaningful to the show, and only detracts from House's reputation as a brilliant member of the elite, like his inspiration Howard Hughes.
Vault-Tec saying they'll drop the bomb themselves doesn't mean they'll personally launch every single warhead. They only have to fire one warhead and let MAD do the rest.
Based on the way NV goes, I don't think vault tec dropped the first bomb, but I do think they specifically made sure MAD occured after it dropped.
>House's plan extended beyond the turret defense system and the platinum chip, the majority of the warheads were disarmed by brute-forcing the disarm codes with an extensive computer network.
The point is that the tech exists, and there's no reason to believe production couldn't be scaled up.
Learn to follow a reply chain and you'll have less trouble in the future.
> Learn to follow a reply chain and you'll have less trouble in the future.
The reply chain is a lot of
>WHAT IF
>THEN IF
>IF HOUSE
Nonsense.
Big words, I know.
>IF
Seems to be your only word.
I'm sorry you're finding it so troubling.
>IF
is not an argument for literally anything. Especially not a reply chain that proved nothing.
>IF HE SHARED
You just sound like a moronic commie trying to be contrarian.
If A then B is literally the backbone of deductive logic. What the frick are you even talking about?
That’s not what you’re doing here anyways. Just disingenuous
>IF HE SHARED
which you’ve gotten plenty of responses why not but you ignoring it doesn’t make your point.
He BARELY got his shit together with 15 years of preparation. That's kind of the entire point of the platinum chip, he was "20 hours short" from being fully prepared. Even if he did give all his tech to various governments there's no way they would have approved what must be an absurd cost for these systems.
They smartly wrote it such that only House could have done this otherwise the entire franchise becomes moronic.
>He BARELY got his shit together with 15 years of preparation.
Stopping all, but 9 warheads out of 77 doesn't sound at all like barely getting your shit together. That sounds like your shit is very together. That it would have been even more effective had the nukes come down a day later only demonstrates how together all his shit was. Bad luck. You mass produce that same system and outfit all major population centers with multiple laser systems and radar-jammers and the great war ends very differently.
I'm not ignoring it at all, it just isn't relevant to the point. House didn't share it because he didn't want to. That doesn't mean that saving the world was impossible. It means House kept the tech that would make it very possible exclusively for himself. This is trivial. I don't know what you're having trouble with.
> I'm not ignoring it at all, it just isn't relevant to the point. House didn't share it because he didn't want to.
And how does that make him complicit in anything outside of defending his fav city?
Literally nothing I've said has had anything to do with anyone's complicity or lack thereof, anon. Literally all my post was referencing was the claim that it was impossible to save the world. I don't understand why you're having this much difficulty with this.
No, the baseline for nuclear armageddon is everything, everywhere dies. Saving the majority of Vegas means you're responsible for a major success. If that same success were scaled up and disperse across the country, the impact of the war would have been massively reduced.
House's technology wouldn't have saved the world, it would have merely added a few years or decades to the doomsday clock. We'd basically be where we are now, where multiple nations who despise each other all have ICBM stores and are playing dangerous war games that threaten a global catastrophe.
If you have an extremely effective missile defense shield, MAD ceases to be a thing. The world could still end by some other means, but that's always been the case. We're talking specifically about nuclear armaggeddon.
>Stopping all, but 9 warheads out of 77 doesn't sound at all like barely getting your shit together. That sounds like your shit is very together.
When the warheads in question are nukes where one is capable of leveling an entire city? Then yes, House saved Vegas by the skin of his fricking teeth.
>Just mass produce bro
There was no system to mass produce, he was actively building it not just sitting on his ass waiting for the chip, yes he had great results after 15 years of breakneck research and production. Again even if he told various governments they need to build this stuff by the time he actually has the technology to hand over it's already too late.
>There was no system to mass produce
Right, because House didn't share the tech and was only interested in saving Vegas. It's not like everything was finished and installed the day before the bombs dropped. Only the platinum chip showed up a day late. What reason do you have to believe that House's tech could not have been licensed and distributed with enough time to protect more of the globe?
House's laser system is clearly different, anon. Otherwise the same results would have been achieved everywhere.
>What reason do you have to believe that House's tech could not have been licensed and distributed with enough time to protect more of the globe?
The fricking game. House says he couldn't save the world and explicitly references he didn't have enough time. Why are you assuming otherwise? It feels right?
Even if he did hand over the simple schematics by the time he was able to do it, let's say 9 years in and that's a big assumption, now they need congressional approval, it needs to get voted on and budgeted in, Vault-tec would totally not lobby against a missile defense system by the way, and assuming everyone agrees to build these they've already run out of time well before they are finished.
If everyone sabotages the efforts then no shit, it doesn't work. That's not what I'm talking about. The means to save the world existed. That it wasn't utilized is solely down to lack of will, not lack of ability. Unless you're using some weird definition of possible where someone choosing not to do an extremely possible thing somehow means that thing can't actually be done.
>The means to save the world existed.
By the text of the game it did not. Stop with the awful headcanon.
By the text of the game it did. That's how House saved Vegas. At no point did house say his tech could not be mass produced. He just handwaves it and says he couldn't "save the world," but he could save Vegas. But there's no reason to take this at face value. We know hardware and technology can be mass produced. Absent any evidence to the contrary, there's no reason to believe House's laser turret system is an exception. House, the man, simply isn't interested. That's the reason he made no attempt to scale up production or license the tech to develop a national defense system in line with what he personally implemented in Vegas.
to be fair the US is like, REALLY fricking big. manufacturing enough of the defense system would be a big ask. doesn't mean he couldn't have sold the system to protect other big cities, or the capital though.
The US is really empty compared to a lot of nations, as well. Presumably most nukes are aimed at population centers and military targets. You cover those, even if you don't stop everything, you still save quite a bit. Obviously any war is going to be disruptive, but House's tech, properly implemented, seems capable of radically reducing the ensuing instability following all out nuclear war.
eh all they have to do is the tie the laser tech to whatever resources everyone was short on and fighting over and that's an easy way to justify it's lack of widespread use, or even take the angle that House figured if he protected only himself he could rise from the ashes and rebuild anew with him at the head of state.
His software would have caused a reactor meltdown to any nuclear power source connected to it and almost did to his own, it was incredibly buggy and barely functional, the fact that it worked at all was a miracle.
>Here mass produce this non-functional missile defense system that if activated will kill us all, just trust me I'll send a software update in the mail.
Hilariously if he did give everyone the tech it would have made things worse.
He just shut the thing down and it was all good. The only reason he still had problems is because he put himself into a stasis pod that presumably drew off the same power source. If you just have a dude manning a console, there isn't the same problem. Regardless, I'm not sure why a single nuclear plant melting down would be worse than being hit by 80 warheads.
Nuclear plant meltdown radiation is significantly worse than a bunch of bombs, the entirety of an all Nuclear grid is an absolute game over scenario there is no Fallout world in this scenario. People live in Hiroshima nobody lives in Chernobyl
>Just shut it down
Not always possible no matter how many failsafes you have as history has shown.
You're also assuming anyone wants House's tech that, again, doesn't work practically speaking.
>But it did
Against all odds, anyone who looked at it would have laughed him out of the room.
Not all meltdowns are Chernobyl meltdowns, and there is a small number of people who do live within the exclusion zone.
>Against all odds, anyone who looked at it would have laughed him out of the room.
You're not basing this on anything. Moreover, the notion that the people of the Fallout world are too safety conscious to allow for the application of House's tech is absurd. Fallout tech can routinely be described as progress at all cost.
>You're not basing this on anything.
His software causes nuclear meltdowns, that is "get the frick out of here idiot" territory for sure.
>the notion that the people of the Fallout world are too safety conscious to allow for the application of House's tech is absurd.
Fallout is comical but not like that. No they wouldn't be chill with "It causes meltdowns, but you can probably turn it off maybe." for a missile defense system that just crashes anyway.
There is no indication that a meltdown was an obvious or foreseeable result of House's technology. Much less that someone licensing the tech or installing a mass produced model would be able to tell. If the bugs were so obvious and could so predictably be seen to result in meltdowns without even using the tech, then they would have already been patched. I'm not sure where you're pulling any of this from.
>There is no indication that a meltdown was an obvious or foreseeable result of House's technology.
It's what happened in the game.
>they would have already been patched.
Like with a platinum chip maybe? It's almost like he wasn't ready on account of not being ready. I know you can't understand the literal events in place of your imagination but just try.
What kind of delusional utopia are you living in?
You can't just 'share' tech.
You'd have to deliver manuals, guidelines, schematics, research, examples. THEN you'd have to send over experts to help train other experts to use all that tech. And then what? Do you think anyone would have repaid House? Given back his staff instead of trying to poach them? Nevermind all that, do you really think they could have successfully done what House achieved even if House committed financial and reputational suicide by giving everything up?
The closest real-world analogy is perhaps Elon/SpaceX. Let's say there are multiple asteroids coming and SpaceX's heavy delivery vehicles are the only feasible method of turning away these asteroids. Do you really think SpaceX is going to leak all it's secrets to it's competitors and government agencies or send away all their staff to help others? Even in a doomsday scenario it seems unlikely. They might release easily-reproducible and simplified solutions for anyone to use but that's an entirely separate problem by itself- to use a SpaceX analogy again, it's the difference between getting an internal version of Starlink working and then having consumer-level setup kits for Starlink working. House was only ever at the internal version of Starlink. His Lucky 38 defences for New Vegas were not at the stage for public distribution.
>if others had access to the technology of laser turrets
>or time is really a factor
It absolutely is, literally cannon. He was waiting on the arrival of the platinum chip to upgrade it. Whole thing was a WIP.
Robert House's balls must've been huge to gamble it all on the lasers of his casino for the first line of defense, then the missiler elsewhere for stray nukes. He out his money where his mouth is unliked Vault Tec hiding in designated Vault Overseer cuck sheds.
>letting people die for the greater good is evil
But he did plan on trying to save more, he says himself he could have saved a good chunk of the west coast but the chip didn't arrive in time.
Leftists have this thing where they think that ambivalence or restraint = complicity because they cannot understand nuance
Kind of like how Fandom gays can't explain anything without comparing it to real wowrld American politics.
I agree, which is why I blame Ford for WW2. Motherfricker should have done more to stop the Germans from invading Poland.
Fricking moron.
If Ford was invited to a secret meeting discussing the impending invasion of Poland and then didn't even bother to warn anyone, it doesn't matter if his heart wasn't in it.
he says mustache twirling villain lines like "there is opportunity in the destruction of the world" or whatever the frick it was. he was only against it because he wasn't sure the vaults would be feasible not because it was morally wrong.
not that it really matters the entire scene is moronic and makes absolutely no sense. yeah what a capitalistic supercompany that is already on top of the world wants more than anything is to drastically upset the status quo and nuke the entire financial system including all of their consumers because uh... no more factions or something
I'm upset they have Fredrick Sinclair there.
Dude's got a tragic story based off Jay Gatsby, not a psychopathic businessman.
Pretty sure it's simply because he's Big MT's benefactor.
He's their schmuck, basically a whale they can abuse. Why would they have him there?
>I'M GOING TO NUKE AMERICA BECAUSE I AM... LE GREEDY
>We win capitalism... BY BLOWING EVERYTHING UP!!
>CAPITALISM BAD
>Also, be sure to play the Fallout games and other Bethesda games!
>Also also, be sure to renew your subscription to Amazon Prime!
Why do leftists keep shitting all over capitalism while simultaneously enjoying the fruits of capitalism? Are they stupid?
Gay commies anon, gay commies. House was always right in the games.
It's dumber than this, though. Hank MacLean, the overseer of Vault 33 and a Vault-Tec executive from Vault 31 says
>If the problem with the world is factions endlessly fighting, endlessly at war, then what is the solution but to get rid of the factions?
which is why he nuked Shady Sands.
Barb Howard, the Vault-Tec executive who pitches the plan to drop the bomb to "win the great game of capitalism", does so by pitching it to a room full of petty, corporate CEOs who hate each other and urges them to "compete" for America's future.
Great way to get rid of factions. This show is so fricking dumb.
I'm so confused by their motivations. On one hand they say it's vaguely to "get rid of factions" which doesn't make any sense on it's face but also they seem to play up this anti-capitalism angle? Like Walter Goggins friend in the bar goes on this whole rant about how Vault-Tec has a fiduciary responsibility to make sure the bombs drop and Goggins just kind of has no comeback as if the guy dropped some great wisdom.
Even though if you think about it for ten seconds that's absolutely moronic because it's not as if the Vaults become more profitable if the bombs drop or not. That's like saying an house insurance company has a fiduciary responsibility to burn down your house, when if anything they'd prefer nothing happens to your house because then they never have to actually deliver on the product.
Capitalism bad. Don't think about it, bub.
Theoretically, you COULD write this scenario to be less moronic, and have Barb argue that the true endgame of capitalism isn't profit, but enough profit to secure absolute, world-defining power. But they didn't write it this way. The wrote
>lol profit
>lol social experiment
>lol competition
>lol capitalism bad
and now people are bending over backwards to cope about it by using nonexistent evidence or "well they'll figure it out in season 2"
they couldn't even figure out season 1, which is the easiest part of writing a show. you just write a bunch of intrigue and come up with the answers later, except people have already realized that the intrigue in the show is inherently moronic
I think the obvious capitalism-bad angle would be Vaullt-Tec not actually expecting the bombs to drop so the Vaults are just all shoddily built or wholly nonexistent entirely because the whole thing was a scam like IRL insurance companies that immediately go under or can't pay out when the disaster they insured for actually happens and they need to pony up.
But instead in this world the capitalistic insurance company wants nothing more than to engineer a situation where they have to deliver on their product, which is surprisingly well made for the most part, because we all know American insurance companies just love to pay out.
One of the core themes of Fallout is how institutions corrupt people, and how people corrupt institutions. Many of the vaults WERE shoddily constructed and administrated (resulting in, for example, the shipping error that causes one vault to have excess water chips and no GECK, and the other to have 2 GECKs and no water chips). Vault-Tec was corrupted from within (by greed) and without (by the Enclave, itself a corrupted institution, who were the architects of the "social experiment" vaults), and in doing so directly contributed to a great deal of suffering. A lot of the setting, including Vault-Tec and vaults, is about how humans gravitate not toward entropy, but toward cataclysmic self-destruction.
The bomb dropping represents the culmination of a dozen different vectors of human stupidity and vice, and re-writing that event to be triggered by "lone gunman" undermines that.
The show's Vault-Tec plot twist is a lazy, confusing execution of this theme, because Vault-Tec and the other corporations motivation is explicitly written to be motivated by "profit" and because it reduces an event about humanity as a whole down a small cabal of self-interested elites. They could MAYBE write a more compelling motivation into season 2 with the mystery homie behind the glass, but that "secret meeting" scene was profoundly bad and doesn't inspire confidence.
>mfw they try to backpedal in season 2 and have some story about pre-war chinese general trying to stop his superiors from nuking america followed by another story about an enclave supercomputer doing it
>see guys it's still ambiguous
>tfw they reuse the rogue chinese general onboard one of the few nuclear subs stationed off the coast plotline again
They left a lot of the backstory ambigious and unfilled that they can basically soft-retcon a lot of it in season two
>Oh actually the NCR got nuked around 2282-84
>Vault-Tecs didn't drop the bombs themselves, they just helped accelerate tensions between the two powers but were caught offguard when the bombs dropped the bombs in 2077
>Hank didn't bomb Shady Sands on a whim, he actually had a whole sad hidden backstory where he lived there with his family for a while but grew to see the NCR as fundamentally flawed and corrupt
>Capitalism bad. Don't think about it, bub.
It's crazy how much media is just this now. It's the safest possible thing to critique in the modern world, which is why everyone and their grandmother does it. People will talk about "late stage capitalism" and then enthusiastically agree with Blackrock about every single political issue on Earth.
It's the safest possible punching bag next to white males with inherited social or economic resources
Which is technically what MacLean, the S1 twist antagonist is, now that I think about it
fallout has always been about capitalism and right wingers bad
This is also very true. Fallout has always been about the cartoonish battle between capitalism and communism, I have no idea why Ganker among other people are acting like it's a new thing with the tv show.
>which is why he nuked Shady Sands.
wrong
>If the problem with the world is factions endlessly fighting, endlessly at war, then what is the solution but to get rid of the factions?
>The NCR falls and the wasteland is filled with raiders endlessly fighting and murdering each other and the BoS
FRICKING TODD
Not to detract from their stupidity, but you can't reach anyone without mass media. Using capitalism to fight capitalism is probably the least unintelligent thing a commie can do
Leftoids are incapable of human rationality because they are not human. They are literal bugs, with bug behavior, bug mentality and bug memory. Killing a leftist is morally bettdr than killing a sentient animal like a squirrel or a bird.
Kiing a leftist is unironically making the world a better place. Eradicating shitlibs, israelites and Black person ensures a utopia within a decade.
You will never do shit. It's been this way for years. The world knows you people are cowards at this point.
How does it feel to know you will either die in prison, be executed or have a nice day?
>Are they stupid?
being politically left has been prooven to be favored by the weak and stupid
>we will win capitalism... by murdering 99.99% of all consumers
its so fricking moronic its unreal. I still enjoyed the show though
>Are they stupid?
More like "willfully ignorant". Truth is they care far, far more about Homos and Trannies and partying on the weekends than they do about any sort of economic factors, their communism spiel is nothing more than a 20th century holdover inside their ideology. And as long as corporations occasionally wave a rainbow flag they wont ever lift a finger against them, for why would they?
>Why do leftists keep shitting all over capitalism while simultaneously enjoying the fruits of capitalism? Are they stupid?
Because most oppositions to capitalism have been subsumed and spat out as a shitty product for poor morons.
Middle class oogles Louis Vuitton, Gucci, Armani etc,
Blacks go apeshit over nike shoes
degenerate Lumpenproletarian goes mad over hormone replacement and hammer and sickle.
America also sanctioned then invaded and occupied Mexico for Oil.
>NV: Genius billionaire who almost saved Vegas from complete annihilation unlike most major cities
>TV: A fricking moron who started war profiteering without the profit part
We asked 100 people if the lack of a T deters people from posting TV threads in Ganker. 99 people said they would not post a Ganker thread in Ganker. Only one person said that it was OK.
MEET AND FRICK KINGDOM STEVE
It's mostly just moronic to think that 90% of humanity being dead would somehow be more profitable than a consumer culture.
From what I got, it wasn't about being profitable, it was an opportunity for them to control the entire country and each one of them putting their strategies to do so with the vaults. Who gives a shit about profits when you are unquestionably in charge of the entire population?
Their strategies were stupid. How is an overpopulated vault going to be easy to control? I know that sequence was just an excuse to 'member but it didn't make a whole lot of sense
All vaults practice population control
To be honest my issue is more about how quickly they came up with these ideas after being told they'll have control over the vaults. Usually you come up with potential solutions when presented with a problem but they just started throwing out solutions before they had even decided on the problems they were going to solve.
The whole colony ship idea gave a plausible reason for all this madness. Now they're just doing it because they can
The vault experiments were likely based the off of observed issues in 2077 America, of which there were plenty, and whatever hypotheticals they could think of. They were obviously biased and the main vault being stocked at the last minute in FO4 showed that they were caught unawares. It's likely that these experiments weren't finalized.
Bethesda fanction can be promptly ignored.
>is this character written by completely different people prove something about a character made by people who had nothing to do with the show or current Fallout
Cain and Sawyer liked it. Cope
WHO?
didn't ask
Where's the proof that Sawyer liked it?
No his tweet referencing the argument over canon doesn't count.
people getting residual checks are saying they liked it publicly. nicely done! wow what will your next observation be?
>oh shit they butchered our work with a amazon prime series, the boss is calling on twatter, tell him it's great and we love it, FAST!
>character assassination
I don't know what you're talking about,
>It's a fun idea. There's a lot of earning potential with the end of the world.
is definitely something Robert House would say.
And Frederick Sinclair, a client of Big MT whose life's work was an resort-fortress to protect himself and the love of his life was actually the chief representative of Big MT and the architect of Vault 27, which was overcrowded as a social experiment. Also he was 300 pounds and ugly as frick.
It's canon. Deal with it.
>It's a fun idea. There's a lot of earning potential with the end of the world.
this line makes absolutely no sense. how is there earning potential in the end of the world, including all financial systems and consumers? if anything a giant corporation already on top would want to keep things as they are not inflict radical change.
He was struggling financially to build the Sierra Madre, but even then it's moronic having him rep the Big MT when they are at the same time converting his casino bunker into a toxic death trap.
Did you play NV? He didn't know half the stuff they were doing. He got conned, just like everyone else involved with Big MT.
That was my point. There's zero reason for Big MT to want him representing them as they are actively abusing his trust.
That said there is a possibility that he's on board with nuking the world as it will allow him to bunker up/punish Vera and escape his creditors depending on when the meeting took place. But neither of those are conveyed in the show and it makes no sense for Big MT to want him there.
Aren't Big MT run by a bunch of autistic scientists? Maybe he's just the most normal person that could represent them.
To represent them at their conspiracy to nuke Earth?
Guy's leaving in body bag if they did that and that's moronic cope. Bethesda clearly didn't grasp the character as one taken advantage of by those around him.
I don't know Anon. I just don't remember there being a single normal functioning person at Big MT so I guess the alternative is to make up a random character like that b***h from Repconn but I'm just happy to see that fat frick Sinclaire again.
>but I'm just happy to see that fat frick Sinclaire again.
No you're not as you clearly have no understanding of his character or his relationship with Big MT.
They had an evil as frick military liason. Send him, deepens the conspiracy too.
>make up a random character like that b***h from Repconn
That was Julia Masters and she isn't a random character, but the CFO of Repconn according to New Vegas.
>Hey Pablo this is Jesus of the Mexican cartel, I'm sending over my biggest crackhead to represent me at the meeting of all cocaine pushers.
Except that hems the richest man in the post war world and the war wasn’t even his fault. TV show House shows a level of incompetence that makes Gonzalez’s (NV) House a fricking masterpiece of a character lmao.
>Destroying the world so I can use my immeasurable wealth to preserve my decrepit corpse in an empty casino and for "profit"?
>Why yes, this sounds based and moronpilled
>Perhaps I shall, perhaps I shall...
They had to ruin the DLC's too? Why do the writers hate this game so much?
I hope Joshua Graham won’t be mentioned so he can’t be character assassinated too
The reddit spacing doesn't make your bait any better.
Choose
>House was only humoring them, but went secretly against it by making a safehaven with what he can from what he has?
>House was going along with the plan unironically, but then betrayed the meeting group eventually for his own vision of post Great War America.
was going along with the plan unironically, but then betrayed the meeting group eventually for his own vision of post Great War America.
most likely this
personally, my headcanon is that he was going along with it and planned on betraying the other CEO's using the Platinum chip to save a large portion of the East Coast, which would have made him a Saintly Saviour in the eyes of the people/cities he saved. and allowed him to set himself up as the ruler of his new America by grateful people he 'saved'
basically using the whole thing to his advantage by 'saving' people
wasn't House blindsided by the bombs dropping too early though? it's why he didn't have the platinum chip in time
It's possible Vault-Tec didn't get around to dropping them. Barb's whole deal is wanting to secure a spot in a non-shit Vault for her family, but the bombs drop while her daughter is still outside.
I assumed Goggins just ran off with the kid after he found out she was crazy or something
Yeah there's no way he'd let his kid be put in a vault after hearing those ideas they were coming up with. You're better off taking your chances on the surface
Yeah. His predictions were off by a day so the chip was in transit when the bombs fell, which is why his Securitrons are stuck on bad firmware and why Vegas isn't in better shape.
Character assassination.
Is this character assassination or just proof to Mr. House supporters that he was always wholly evil?
I hate Bethesda so much. They degrade every IP they own, product after product. And when they try to do something "original" for the first time in 20 years, it's so uninspired that not even modders want to try to make money off of it.
They did to Fallout what Disney did to Star Wars after buying it from Lucas.
>He has tons of military contracts with the US Federal Gov
>He has casinos
>He is investing on a passion project of space exploration
>He has enough wealth and has nothing to gain from siding with Vault Tec Chinese (Amazon safe word: Commie) Illuminati to kill him and his country which would reduce his wealth to zero even if he survived underground
>Not character assassination according to balding millennials and ADHD Twitter and Resetera zoomers
He was always evil
Housegays are the biggest morons on earth
House would be the poster child for Lawful Neutral on a New Vegas alignment chart. He's almost incapable of entertaining duplicity; it's arguably his biggest character flaw in NV.
doesn't he betray the NCR. The Brotherhood seem more Lawful Neutral
He obeys the letter of the contract and cuts them off from the Dam in the final confrontation. Although even after taking over the Dam himself he sets up a pretty generous contract with them for water and power, since he doesn't actually want the NCR gone. He just doesn't want to be under their thumb.
The bigger indictments of House's character is that he let's heels like the Omertas exist and has his robots gun down poors for the crime of falling for the eternal lie of Vegas' shimmering lights without carrying enough caps to the door. But the fact stands, if you make an agreement with House he honors it and he won't even try and frick you over with legalese. The terms are plain and simple. All the maneuvering has to he done around them.
nothing in game implies that
Killing him nets you good karma.
No it doesn't. It nets you bad karma.
Nobody is evil in NV. The whole point of NV is moral relativism and nihilism. It goes to great pains to give every faction motivations and perspectives with an internally consistent logic.
>Ruthless businessman
>Not wholly evil
A libtard wrote this post.
Just pozzed writers and bugthesda "lore experts" doing their best to ruin anything good.
He knew what he was doing
It's not a character assassination necessarily, but it's taking the character in a direction most of his fans do not like.
Only way they can fix House is for them to write him like House was only pretending to go along with Vault Tec, when in reality he knew Vault Tec was going to launch nukes and was preparing the entire time, but played dumb about it.
>Amazon threatening to write China's role in the Great War out of the Fallout canon so they can sell the show in China
China didn't do nothin' wrong, it was capitalists that fired the first nuclear shot! They was scared, was all... poor things.
Do you think they're actually going to canonize a House victory in season 2? I don't see how they can possibly set the show there and NOT pick an ending. It's obviously not gonna be Legion, NCR is gone, and Yes Man would be pointless because they can't show the Courier
There are 4 ways the writers can handle this
>Don't actually show what happened inside New Vegas and begin the story AFTER Daddy Henry leaves the place (Cop out)
>Have the show timeline's Vegas not have a Courier 6 to fix it, thus allowing fanon to remain at the cost of removing the game's story from Canon.
>Choose ONE of the ending paths to be canon and have it be the only one that's a guaranteed frickup
>Have the story make it clear that no matter what choice is made by the Courier, New Vegas if fricked into one result.
I am pessimistic and am already assuming the last one.
It'll just be fricking moronic, let's be real
Actually the show improves House's character.
The whole Vault-Nuke agenda makes Mr. House's characterization more tangible than it used to be. Before then, some of his explanations and backstory are stupid in retrospect; the dude wants to advance mankind but he doesn't mind the United States getting nuked into oblivion. Like, the dude had mega-lasers that pop missiles and hacking tech that could turn down some of them, but he didn't bother sharing it with anyone because... reasons; the dude just nonchalantly goes "Yeah, I don't care that much" when you ask him about it. But then, he also goes:
"Yeah, I wanna save humanity but my plan involves sending us into the Stone Ages while I wait 200 years doing nothing."
It felt like Mr. House was a moron who didn't think through the plans; the guy wants the NCR to fund his tourist economy, but he also wants to stab them in the back. Like, Iran is expecting normalization after kicking the shit out of the U.S. embassy. It wasn't until the whole conspiracy thing that it really truly justified his motivations; it explains him not giving two damns about the whole country getting nuked and why he barely shares any of his tech despite being useful against Chinese nukes
>contrarian nonsense opinion
Sorry but House is just even shittier in the TV show. There’s no IF here. He’s a war profiteer and comically failed on the most important part of the plan, BRAVO NOLAN.
No counter argument in sight. Just a gay that wants to screech.
>He’s a war profiteer and comically failed on the most important part of the plan
Here, in case you missed it.
>"Yeah, I wanna save humanity but my plan involves sending us into the Stone Ages while I wait 200 years doing nothing."
You do realize you're describing Vault-Tec's plan, except without the "save humanity" part, right? Vault-Tec's executive say they want to build a "better future", but this is a profit-seeking corporation willing to drop the bomb we're talking about. You're acting as if House could have singlehandedly defused the Great War before it began if he felt like it. That's idiotic. He deduced that humanity's long arc tended toward mutual self-destruction and decided a plan of action which insulated himself and New Vegas from it.
>he didn't share the technology with anyone
He correctly understood the actual meaning of "war never changes". Giving the technology to a public sector party, or even another private sector party, would have been nothing but another, albeit defensive step, in the escalating arms race.
This post comes across as sheer contrarianism as
says. And House himself comes across as a fricking profit-seeking rat without a plan in the show.
I stopped watching midway through episode 2 when the guy in power armour started flying around like Ironman, but is there any explanation later on why Purnell's character knows what a BoS Knight is? I can imagine "There might be raiding savages roaming around outside" is something vault-tec would prepare them for, but not "there might be fanatic descendants of the American military larping as a holy order roaming around outside"
When you're as sheltered as her, if you see a dude wearing a big metal armor suit you'll probably be reminded of the knights of old. I'm sure that's what they were going for but you never know, she knew about raiders after all
I just finished the show and I don't understand why everyone is seething. I thought this portrayal of House was fine. He doesn't capture the gravitas of the old VA, but the old VA is fricking dead so you gotta move on eventually.
>B-b-b-but he nuked America!
It's not confirmed if he decided to go along with the plan or if Vault-tec somehow went ahead without him anyways. House and Sinclaire don't seem like the type to want their cities glassed. And even if he did approve the nukes, he clearly was set to betray Vault-tec anyways since it's canon he set up missile defense systems to protect Vegas, most likely trying to set it up as the new centre of America.
>It's not confirmed
Why is it that the only shit that people can defend this show with is stuff that ISN'T in it
Did you even watch it? The clip is like 2 minutes long if you don't want to slog through the entire TV show.
He was antagonistic and dismissive of Vault-tec and everyone else in the room and knowing what happens in NV where he admits he didn't have enough time to stop the nukes from hitting Vegas, it's clear he was opposed to the plan or Vault-tec went ahead and nuked everything despite no one agreeing to it.
>Is this character assassination or just proof to Mr. House supporters that he was always wholly evil?
>Bethesda fanction can be promptly ignored.
>Cain and Sawyer liked it. Cope
>A libtard wrote this post.
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>Innocent gubmint dindu nuffin
>It was really corporations being evil
retcon is just so tonedeaf and uncanny valley to me. As if they're not just heads of the same beast in the west, as the original story was so on the nose about amazon probably didn't think it was kosher. You really can't unsee how everything, absolutely everything is indirectly government subsidized social engineering now.
did you even watch the show? Why do people not see vault tec dropping the bombs is a red herring? The woman that proposes dropping the bombs let her husband and kid be at a birthday party as the bombs drop?
Are you moronic? He obviously hates everyone there and disagreed with them, which is perfectly in line with his character.
You can spin it as him only humoring them to get information for later, but you can also very much interpret it as him being in on the plan for purely selfish reasons.
There's no "spin" here. He outright insults the other CEOs. He outright says it's not a good investment. It specifically shows every CEO talking about what experiments they could do except House. He obviously wanted no part of it and sometime before/after planned the defense of Vegas.
He comes across as skeptical, but also says that "there's a lot of profit in the end of the world". I think the only way to "spin" this successfully is if, like you said, he's disinterested in Vault-Tec's plan but the plan itself is the impetus of his defense system to defend against the bombs in New Vegas. Although this is itself a "character assassination", considering predicting the Great War and designing Vegas's defense system is the defining act of House's entire fricking life, and writing a scene where he's told
>lol we're going to drop the bomb
directly undermines that.
The question here isn't whether House could hypothetically be written well despite what we've seen from the rest of the show. It's whether you trust Amazon writers. Amazon writers who moved Shady Sands to LA for the explicit purpose of dropping a bomb on it and destroying the NCR, and who decided that ghouls have hyper-regeneration and need an unspecified drug to not go feral. And so and so forth.
Nothing in this show has inspired any more confidence than Bethesda Fallout, so you sort of have to expect that what we're going to get in New Vegas is more "Bethesda Fallout". And in that sense it's a great adaptation.
Is predicting the Great War really all that prophetic?
Gauging the nuking within a few days is pretty impressive.
He didn't do that, though. He predicted nuclear war would happen within 15 year. That's his prediction. That it happened just before the final piece of his defenses could be put into place was just unlucky.
Highschool dropout mgtow Whatifalthist successfully predicted the Ukraine War like 2 years before it happened down to the week.
You don't need to be psychic, just don't be a direction brain and the obvious is obvious.
It's the fact that he was right on time and was able to allocate the capital to develop such a sophisticated defense system to begin with; or rather, slightly behind schedule because of the platinum chip.
>considering predicting the Great War and designing Vegas's defense system is the defining act of House's entire fricking life
I think the defining characterization of House is his genius and continuing resilience even after what can be described as death. It makes no difference if he learned the bombs are going to be dropped from his spies in the government or some niggress part of the shadow government he's in saying she wants to glass everything.
Arguably his plan depends on the continued existence of Vegas and his securitron forces, though. He re-civilizes the tribes, consolidates his power through them, brings in a massive amount of capital with Vegas (it attracts the NCR, after all), and Hoover Dam is the centerpiece of his post-war empire. He needed Vegas to survive the bombing.
I do think that it's potentially in-character for him to fictionalize his foreknowledge as a "prediction", but that is by definition a retcon and I don't really know how to feel about it. The thing I just don't trust Amazon writers to do it well, honestly.
I sort of agree with you. The scenario as presented now is fine. There's just enough nuance to align with the canon of NV and also be in-character for House. I'm totally fine with him learning of this plan, disagreeing with it, then starting to put contingencies in place but failing at the last "unlucky" second. But since this is Bethesda whatever we get is going to end up as bad writing, guaranteed.
I don't think Vault Tec dropped the bombs. It was one of their plans if they had to resort to it, but the bombs dropping was actually just one of the countries jumping the gun. That's why it was a surprise to every party involved including Vault-Tec and House who was cut short because the bombs dropped earlier than he predicted. Think about it, even Big MT was pretty fricked up and had to go through their own contingency plan. Also how the frick would Vault-Tec drop multiple nukes all over America? That's not what their plan was. Their plan would be to drop one nuke, which would instigate the countries into blaming each other and launching the rest, but that's not what happened. What happened was a full scale assault that happened earlier than expected.
>He comes across as skeptical, but also says that "there's a lot of profit in the end of the world"
Because he's an Ayn Rand style capitalist who knew the world was going to end anyway. Profit in and of itself is a net good. If the companies acted like companies rather people who wanted a utopia they'd be as successful as he was after the bombs dropped.
It's honestly going to be fricking hilarious when season 2 of this releases and it turns out that the people posting in these threads expended 100 times more effort writing 100s of hypothetical scenarios where the show isn't completely moronic
It'll be something stupid like
>remember the billboard that said Shady Sands is the "first" capital of the NCR?
>well the NCR actually won the battle of Hoover Dam and New Vegas is there new capital
>and agent Dale Cooper ran 100s of miles from LA to New Vegas so he can end their faction there too
>oh, and Vault-Tec did drop the bomb
What I wouldn't give to gaze into the future for one episode
You want this to happen to own the theoristgays
I want this to happen because NCR based.
We are not the same.
I'm actually planning on doing a proper NCR playthrough because, even though I've been a Housegay / Legiongay since my first playthrough, the show's depiction of the NCR is just so fricking pitiful that they deserve to kick some ass in the Mojave.
If they really wanted to nuke SS and have Moldaver's raiders be NCR all they had to do was drop a line like "after the nuking, all of the NCR's bureaucracy gridlocked and collapsed in on itself and they schism'd off into a bunch off smaller factions each claiming to be the legitimate heirs of NCR".
I don't think Moldaver has a single line that's actually about the NCR. In her big monologue, the destruction of Shady Sands is framed as part of Vault-Tec's "plan" and a petty act of revenge by the overseer because his wife defected to the surface - not the destruction of the West's last, best hope for rebuilding civilization.
The NCR refugees in Vault 4 also only exist as a dramatic device to communicate to Lucy that Moldaver is the de facto leader of the NCR, when they hold that weird blood ritual. Not a single NCR remnant at Griffifth Observatory has a speaking role, by the way. The only other NCR character with a speaking role is potentially the farmer wearing the ranger armor, who watches Goggins shoot his younger son after he shoots his elder son.
They really, really did the NCR dirty for no reason. I'm not talking about the canon, I'm talking about the script of the show. Moldaver is an awful antagonist and an EXTREMELY poor representative of the NCR and what it symbolizes, even within Vault-Tec's moronic plan.
>last, best hope for rebuilding civilization
no way, as long as there is a will there will be a way. Vault City, New Reno and The Hub still exist presumably, there is nothing stopping someone else from rebuilding. that's like the whole point of Fallout
>Vault City, New Reno and The Hub still exist presumably
They didn't even know the difference between NCR and the Boneyard.
You have to think like an overpaid hack writer with no interest in the source material. "NCR" is a blanket for the entire western coast and it's gone now.
>"NCR" is a blanket for the entire western coast and it's gone now.
even if this is the case I still believe in the potential of humanity and their ability to recover from any kind of disaster. Bethesda might not understand that, but that's fine. I've long stopped caring about the IP under their stewardship, and I feel that OG fans who still get mad about Bethesda doing what Bethesda does are big stinky nerds who want to get mad about the same things every few years for decades at a time.
>no way, as long as there is a will there will be a way.
There clearly is no will whatsoever at Bethesda.
Why the frick would he be going to Vegas if it's NCR controlled? He'd just be fricking lynched. He's gotta be going there because he knows that House is still running the show and probably wants to beg him for something.
It was a joke.
It makes no sense as it is why the first thing MacLean does after getting shot in the cheek is RUN 200 miles from LA to Las Vegas in power armor. Probably should get that gaping wound looked at.
The show is complete trash and anyone defending it is either being paid to do so or a room temp iq normalgay who happily eats up whatever western media shits on his plate.
Half of you gays didn't even watch it.
It’s not canon
>im going to nuke myself, but also setup a laser grid to stop myself from getting nuked, and ALSO get the day of the nuking wrong
????
MMMMM CHIP
It's been a while since I last played NV. Was House a smoker before the war? Seems like something he wouldn't do considering his plan.
>Big Mountain, a quasi branch of the US Government, enters a meeting to talk about nuking United States for corporate growth ???
>RobCop, one of the biggest US Government defense contractors, enters a meeting to talk about nuking the United States for corporate growth ???
>Both Robert House and Sinclair have no reason to do this with a hot war between China and USA happening as they are racking in profits
>Robert House would be agreeing to giving up his wealth, power, and passion project of going into space to live underground so he can be part of a shadow government to oversee the Vaults
>Both Robert House and Sinclair have casinos, with a nuked United States they have no fricking source of income with the Government also nuked
>This according to Amazon, Bethesda, balding millennials, and ADHD zoomers is not character assassination
Frick China. Frick Todd Howard. Frick Emil. Frick Amazon showrunners. Frick trannies. Take your HRT pills Emil.
Don't worry bro, it'll all make sense in season 2
have you considered that capitalism is bad though bro
uhhhh no you dont get it, rich people will still be rich in the apocalypse, remember tenpenny tower!
>capitalism's bad and ruins everything
>we ruined this series to pander to morons for sales
>make sure to buy the exclusive vault boy funko pops
Cordelia is hot.
The last two episodes got really pants-on-head moronic with just about everything from dialogue to plot to fights.
I'm not an expert metallurgist, or welder, but AFAIK shitty welding shouldn't mean the metal becomes weaker, just that it won't stay in place. Either way, 200 years of this glaring weakness in the chest plate and you think the BoS would have found out about it and done something to fix it or limit the weakness.
the brotherhood doesn't know shit about frick, some random dude in adytum was able to improve the power armor design as soon as he sees it
You absolutely can ruin a temper on material when you weld it by heating it too much (although this isn't very easy on a large piece of steel). Making a rifle-rated plate vulnerable to any kind of handgun is stretching it though. Of course Goggins has a weird gyrojet revolver so who knows how powerful it's actually supposed to be.
I guess that's another point for the T-51b, since it's a bunch of layered composites it's just gunna bypass that kind of crap. Too bad we don't have it in the show.
The BoS are moronic sycophants who genuinely think they are knights despite using repurposed power armor and guns. There are absolutely certain chapters of the BoS that are clueless about metallurgy and yes, improperly tempering metal will reduce its hardness and properties.
t. Engineer
Heating and improperly cooling metal does in fact make it softer.
That said annealing and hardening steel is b***h basic metal working.
*sigh*
somehow...Moldaver survived 200+ years of postapocalypse...
Hire fans Amazon showrunners
You see cryopods in the end, sis
There's no way they can ruin Mr. New Vegas, right
Right?
The story revision is really bad in this i couldn't even get past the first 20 minutes without closing fmovies.
I dont know who watches this crap but goodlord, this makes fallout 3 look like a masterpiece.
even the halo tv show is utter garbage.
all this does to me is establish why the cryo pods were a terrible idea. bringing in all these pre war people undermines the very foundation of the setting. it also makes house no longer unique.
he didn't even go along with the plan, he's just going to frick off to vegas and start preparing for the inevitable
but knowing that ahead of time undermines his character.
>undermimes
Or it just exposes the truth about him
Is it even confirmed that Vault-Tec dropped any of the nukes in 2077? This scene just confirms that they are considering it as an option, and may have even used that consideration as leverage to get the corporate executives on-board with leasing out the Vaults. Still possible that the nukes dropped were directly related to the war, or maybe several different entities were responsible
They leave it deliberately ambiguous, but obviously they were clear enough about either doing it themselves or forcing the geopolitical situation in some way that it was important enough for it to be Cooper's last straw.
Them having access to their own arsenal would also somehow explain how Hank could nuke SS
Isn't there a questline in FO76 about securing nuclear silos for The Enclave/Vault-Tec?
No confirmation, but Barb's daughter was still outside when the first nuke dropped
Barb did say you either get with the program or shout from the sidelines in vain. Those nukes are dropping whether her family's safe or not
She's part of the program and would have snatched up her daughter beforehand
Who knows, maybe she had some privileges revoked when her husband went public. Or maybe it was Cooper's court mandated custody period and she couldn't do anything
from a meta perspective, it seems like it would be a really shitty bait-and-switch twist to have an entire lengthy scene dedicated to showing how evil Vault tech is by considering ending the world, only to say "Well actually Jim, and Jang accidently spilled their morning coffee on the nuke launch button.".
I'm beginning to think that they did drop some bombs, but only after China launched the first ones.
It could have been like China launched enough to destroy a bunch of capital cities, but Vault-tec joined in to help saturate and destroy the rest of it, like for instance that one nuke in Megaton in Fallout 3 has a Vault-tec logo on it.
>if only you knew
You just know California Chinese sympathetic writers of Amazon would character assassinate Joshua Graham and Todd would approve because it destroys more of the non Bethesda made Fallout games.
Frick balding millenials and HRT zoomers who left good reviews.
The writers are morons who only played 3 & 4 and couldn’t be added to look up cliff notes of the other games otherwise they would see the Shi or no one knowing who actually dropped the nukes so they could still market it to the chinks
Todd knew exactly what he was doing, Fallout was even called Anti-capitalist satire by IGN as if they don't satirize everything, but California types only see what they want
God please no, he must be pushing 80. Let him have passed surrounded by loved ones.
>runs a casino
>"wtf is this guy evil"
just how dumb are amerimutts
Die in your sleep Emil, Todd, Amazon showrunners.
Why did they make him look like a israelite instead of Howard Hughes?
This whole scene is one big gangbang hardcore zoophilia rape of fallout, just like bethesda fans like it
FFS
>Vault Tec is a front for the Enclave
>The Enclave were always about getting rid of dissent and undesirables to establish a NWO and inherit the earth to claim its resources and establish rule as the sole dominant hegemony of the globe
>With the Mutiny in West Tek
>Epedemic and Collapse of all law and order in Denver
>Increasing secessionist and Chinese subversion promoting civil unrest
>>>Why would they want to wipe the slate clean??
It makes perfect sense. And it aligns with their attitude in 2 as they realize Humanity is stubborn to get rid of and there's tons of survivors outside the vaults hence the plans of modified FEV
Again it makes perfect sense for Vault Tec and the Enclave to complete wipe out all nations and foreign claims by triggering global thermonuclear war, hiding away in a oil rig, mentally break and condition Vault residents in hellish experiments so when they're rescued by the Gallant American government in shining power armor, they'd immediately submit and be subservient.
Hell Vault Tec starting the war WAS VAN BURENS PLOT TWIST
So why would Robco, Big MT and Repconn support it?
Robco didn't support it
Big MT can run free with experiments.
House already knew the great war was inevitable and would rather have the troublesome democracy be destroyed and was banking on the platinum chip so he could get easy headstart on guiding humanity towards his vision
Repconn was defense contractor and probably also a front for the Enclave just like Posiedon was.
>already the shadow government which controls things behind the scenes
>have access to whatever luxuries you can want because you can pretty much do anything but you just can't scream it publicly
>Pray that nothing goes wrong for 200 YEARS as you wipe out the world and send it back to the stone age, and destroy thousands of years of development, manpower, and infrastructure.
> Now you can control the "world" starting with American vaults which consist of a few thousand people from control vaults as most vaults were designed to kill people
>now you rule an empire of junk and dust in an irradiated shithole
>at least you can say "It's mine"
I don't get it.
They had no control dingus. America was on the verge of collapse before the great war.
All the resources had been drained and there were too many people
>eliminate people
>eliminate competition of other nations
>suddenly the world is your oyster to mold and form in the coming centuries
it makes no fricking sense. theres not one person on planet Earth that could benefit from a global nuclear apocalypse. they went with the supervillain "and then i'll destroy the world!!" route but tried to explain it with capitalism
House benefited pretty fricking well.
No U.S government to tax or make him follow the laws of democracy
He had to be stuck in a coma for like 150 years and very nearly died. Even then he's just barely clinging on now stuck between two regional powers that arose in the aftermath and has survived getting scraps from the NCR. The relative security and stability offered in the pre-war would have definitively been preferable to his plans.
They use Capitalism just like how they use communism to label dissenters. It's word whose only meaning is in the power it has over others. In 2077 FO you were either capitalist (good) or communist (bad). Moldaver brings this up. The only one in the room who expresses actual capitalistic ideas is House and he disagrees with their plan.
The world was facing total resource collapse. The show does a shit job of portraying this.
because total resource collapse makes no sense. we have enough resources, there is no issue.
Not in Fallout. In Fallout oil reserves were expended, the middle east was tapped out. The US had taken some initial steps toward upping their fusion game, but it was still early. China relied heavily on oil and their dwindling supply is what forced them to invade in a desperate attempt to capture the Alaskan oil reserves.
interesting, thanks for the helpful reply. still dont get why resources are an issue when you have fusion reactors, but maybe that came later.
They don't have enough to meet energy demands:
>Traffic on the streets of the world stops moving. Fuel becomes too precious to waste on automobiles, so alternatives are explored - electric and fusion cars begin to be manufactured, but factories can only make limited amounts. Pressure on fusion research increases.
>Due to enormous demands for electricity in the summer of 2065, a nuclear reactor in New York City almost goes critical. The near meltdown brings into effect power rationing, and the term "Hot Summer" is used to refer to the New York incident.
>As the oil resources dry up across the globe, China's fossil fuel dependency causes an energy crisis in the nation. China, bordering on collapse, becomes more aggressive in its trade talks with the United States. Unwilling to export oil to China, talks between the United States and China break down.
>Adding further insult to the Chinese-American relations, the first crude fusion cell is unveiled, one of the results of the Power Armor project. Devices designed for the fusion cell begin to be manufactured. Incorporating fusion power into the general US infrastructure begins, but the process is too slow to supply power to the regions that need it. Nearly thirteen years later, few sections of the United States were supplied with fusion power.
>In the winter of 2066, China invades Alaska. The Anchorage Front Line becomes a true battleground.
Oil is used for plastics and a variety of other things that would still be vital even in a 100% renewable society
not sure what you think your point is, but sure.
>DUDE why isn't fallout like real life
Really homie? You trying to move goalposts to this now?
I just hate this narrative trope because it comes from the Malthusian anti human climate change angenda commie ideology most leftists have.
Take this with some salt as it's been a long time
As the other Anon said, in the FO universe they were running, or mostly had run out of many resources, namely oil. IIRC the EU/Middle east had collapsed because of resource wars and were basically fricked. several games have logs describing how shit things in the US had become with a lot of civil unrest in the workplace, usually in manufacturing areas, and with the war being as bad as it was and going on for so long the economy was fricked. The FO1 opening scene has an advertisement for a new car going for 1 million or something crazy.
>when you have fusion reactors
IIRC FO4, or 76 has logs about the big power companies in pre-war america advertising they had nuclear Fusion but it was actually just an offshoot of Fission that was more portable. A lot of ecosystems and other suburbs went to shit because the company lied through their teeth and had to hide the waste.
I could have sworn one of the games had mentioned that the US did achieve sustainable, renewable, and cleaner energy which they didn't want to share with the Chinese but I can't remember if it was retconned, or revealed to be a lie, or if it's jut false memories.
It's another thing that the Bethesda Fallouts don't seem to get. The prewar world had already gone to shit. The Leave It to Beaver façade was propaganda.
You have no idea how close to completely fricked up we were about oil until a few years back
It's literally the sole reason why extremely shitty and clearly not ready tech like electric cars are deemed legally roadworthy and given massive grants
We weren't, wells weren't tapped due to environmental reasons and international supply was flowing to Europe for political.
>we have enough resources, there is no issue.
>he doesn't know
No you don't get it bro
It's hubris
They're moronic ON PURPOSE
Truly shakespearean
What a twist!
>*crashes your entire planet with no survivors*
To be fair China isn't at fault if such a potent superweapon was gonna be unleashed on them
Nuclear doctrine for all nations irl is to use them as soon as the existence of the nation is in imminent danger from a foreign threat. Hence why most say they'll only use them if a single boot steps on their mainland
What I want to know is why the frick didn't America put all Chinese Americans in interment camps and why there's no hint of racism towards them in pre war America.
America would have gone full SS Gestapo with the invasion of Alaska
You mean in the show? There was an internment camp at, or at least mentioned at a military checkpoint in Fallout 4
Nah I mean in old lore. There was a Red Scare but an odd lack of Sinophobia which Is odd considering how hyper judgemental Old World America was.
>What I want to know is why the frick didn't America put all Chinese Americans in interment camps and why there's no hint of racism towards them in pre war America.
They did at Big MT and at Point Lookout with the chink glowie. 200 years worth of cultural separation means that most forgot what an Asian was and the few that still exist don't highlight that fact since their countries of origin are glowing brighter than the Sun now.
>What I want to know is why the frick didn't America put all Chinese Americans in interment camps and why there's no hint of racism towards them in pre war America.
They did though?
I had forgotten that this series once had good writing. Even this summary is entertaining.
fascinating
>Vault Tec is a front for the Enclave
The Enclave defector knew everything about Lucy, the vault she came from, etc.
why the frick would house be smoking a cigarette? he is probably the ONLY person in new vegas that doesn't smoke
>"le capitalism bad"
just your typical BS
keep in mind the people in power, like the owners of Amazon, don't even want to stop having a free market, for themselves.
they just want to sell capitalism (too much of muh freedoms) as the root of all your problems to get you to willingly vote away your dwindling rights and shrinking upward mobility.
thankfully i don't believe it'll work.
What race is he?
The thing about this scene that hurt the most, was I had basically imagined this scene for years. It had to have happened. Whatever would eventually be called "The Enclave;" prewar corporate power-players, and political higher-ups, if there had ever really had an actual meeting where the plans were discussed directly... I always imaged House would walk out, calling the whole endeavor a folly that wouldn't work because it would not be wholly under his control.
They made the scene but instead House is like "yeah, okay."
Just Bethesda shitting on West Coast lore so they can do whatever they with FO5 set San Fran
Was it Betheshit being spiteful, or not giving a frick about what Nolan does? Keep in mind Nolan is a gigantic moron who needs to be banned from making TV shows.
stop thinking AAAAHHHHH
if you had played the games you'd know that you don't get rad readings from individuals except feral ghouls.
That's addressed in the show, that's how Lucy confirms he's form the surface. They're so naive they don't expect anything like that to happen so don't bother checking for radiation.
pull him out of his lifesupport and say you'll put him back
little moron will cry about losing 1 one whole year of life
Autismo can even barely interact with other humans which is antithetical to fallout. So yes like all the other corpos who want to make space colonies in the setting he's a shithead who'll have all their epic plans unga bunga'd by murderhobos
>pull him out of his lifesupport and say you'll put him back
kek based I did this and his spergout was hilarious
I also did this then reloaded my save. In case you didn't know there are unused voice lines for Mr House if you betray him.
He was always a morally ambiguous technocrat this is literally a 100% accurate depiction.
Robert House isn't evil. There's nothing morally gray about nuking himself, his country, his factories, his casinos, his cliantele of the US government and average joes gambling. You didn't play New Vegas you moronic Microsof/Bethesda "positivity" engagement metrics marketer.
An hour of unfiltered kino
"I couldn't save the world nor could I care too."
So in 100% character for him?
Note that he doesn't imply he was in on it or knew the morons would start the war themselves, if he really knew about it he would've had the chip done in time.
Vault-tec only proposed the idea. It wasn't shown whether or not it was finalized. Barb's daughter was caught in the open and coop would have known the date since he was spying on Barb
It's entirely possible he either split from his wife or his wife just didn't actually know the exact date since she was just another cog herself and was desperately trying to get a vault spot.
That they would spend a quarter of the seasons basically staring into the camera and saying Vault-Tec is behind it all, and then in the final episode have a dramatic reveal illuminati scene where Vault-Tec says they plan to drop the bombs only for it to be a red herring or something is incredibly unlikely.
Coop would never let his daughter into a vault after hearing those experiment plans
He'd have to contest that with Barb. Barb got the cryo pod
I think whoever had custody on the day is getting their way. Neither of them is going to convince the other to hand her over. Barb might've tried but she wouldn't stay out there arguing indefinitely. If she can't save her kid she'll at least save herself
>16:01
This should help people to determine the answer to OP's question
Just watched the first episode so I don't know if it's going to get a lot worse like Ganker is saying - seems okay so far if kinda average. But the one thing I did find strange is how Vault 32 and 33 were connected. At first I thought 33 walked through the wasteland to get to 32, but that didn't make sense since the Overseer said they haven't been on the surface yet. Apparently the vaults were neighbours and they could freely travel to each other?
I've played FO3, NV, FO4, and FO76 and don't recall a single case of two vaults being directly connected. If this is a retcon it makes no sense why vaults tec wouldn't build more vaults like this to promote mini societies instead of making them all separated and isolated.
>If this is a retcon it makes no sense why vaults tec wouldn't build more vaults like this to promote mini societies instead of making them all separated and isolated.
gotta remember some vaults are host to experiments, not every vault is the same by design.
Also vaults were meant to cover multiple neighborhoods and cities, it's a retcon but it's a decent one, like the big crop fields with the simulated outdoor backgrounds.
Nice character assassination and destruction of better Fallout games never made Bethesda. But unfortunately this Amazon shitshow isn't canon and China is a little winnie the pooh nation who is canonically counter nuked in the Fallout universe. Whoops, guess Amazon will have to censor this post in the their writers feedback room. Pass the HRT pills to Emil and Todd btw.
I thought Canada was already annexed by then, why isn't it included in the map
You know I asked myself that while typing my post, even the Hollywood ghoul fought in Anchorage Alaska. Another silly canon error excluding newly annexed Canada as a state by the bug men lore writers of Amazon and Bethesda.
I hope Todd Howard, Emil (she/her/they), Bethesda, Microsoft, and Amazon all get ransomware hacked in their sleep tonight.
Excluding newly annexed Canada as part of the United Stares in the map glowies conspiracy scene is peak Amazon and Bethesda writers performance. Microsoft only hires the finest smooth brains after their big brain purchase of Zenimax.
Die in your sleep tonight Todd and Emil.
I legit don't understand how people STILL get mad about this shit. It's been almost TWO DECADES since bethesda has taken control of the IP, if you haven't figured out that they don't care or respect the originals by now I don't know what to tell you. do you just enjoy getting mad about the same thing every few years?
I'm more angry that people think it's good when it's obviously shit.
>do you just enjoy getting mad about the same thing every few years?
so the answer to this question is yes then
Most people watching it aren't original Fallout fans. They don't care about the lore inconsistencies. As someone who didn't even really like the show objectively, compared to most TV out there it's alright.
Your average person is a normie who maybe played FO3/4 or has never played any of them. From that perspective it's a perfectly serviceable, entertaining, if shallow, show with a decent production budget and is better than most shows out there ( most television is absolute trash ).
I meant even as a totally disconnected TV show it's bad. The characters are unlikeable, the plot is nonsensical, the cinematography is lazy, and the action is terrible. It's just plain awful and I'm tired of anyone thinking it has anything redeeming.
I don't think it's worse than your average TV show, significantly better than the Marvel shit at least. It's entertaining enough for what it is. Do I think it will be remembered in three years? Not really but again by average television standards it's not really particularly offensive.
Anon bethesda unironically put a bigger focus on that aspect of the lore than the first two games, what are you on about
Yes.
the funniest thing is, at this point Bethesda has owned Fallout for way longer than the original Devs did and people need to stop obsessing over the past.
especially since, the IP was basically dead and without bethesda the IP would likely have either faded into obscurity or been bought be a company who would have just shelved the IP forever instead of actually using it
Leafchads..
We won.
fnvsissies prove what the director said right more every day, house shows up for like 8 seconds and there's endless crying and pretending like it's not getting expanded on in season 2
what did he say
You can't please all the fans.
Means he's aware he was raping the lore.
that it's impossible to appease everyone when making something, he was clearly right because its a massive success with every audience other than the schizophrenic Ganker and fnv lore audiences, which dont matter because Ganker and Ganker dont pay for their shit and fnv lore sissies will watch the show anyway while seething about it
That's alright with me, just don't make it canon to the games, if it weren't canon to the games I'd consider the show a 9/10.
Why do people hate lore nowadays? I can understand not following it to the letter but holy shit just look up the cliff notes
the lore of the games clearly causes problems with the story they wanted they to write. hard to depict an empty desolate wasteland when if they followed the lore, the wasteland would be filled with people living in a functioning democratic republic.
They have decided they needed 219 years of lore to choose from and they decided to choose the 219th?
Just make the year 2100 or something, it'd explain all the Vault-tec execs knocking around.
>but holy shit just look up the cliff notes
its pretty clear they did read a ton of the lore and the main showrunner played the games and is probably the reason there's autistic references to the old games, they were never gonna please fnv xisters but season 2 should be funny either way to see how much more upset they can get
Do you have to constantly talk about trannies Rajneesh?
What "deeper cuts" are there, though? There's the water chip thing in Vault 33, FEV (the human-salamander hybrids and potentially what Thaddeus inhaled), and... the NCR, which everyone agrees was wildly mishandled.
Most of the iconography of the show is much more "Bethesda" Fallout: sugar bombs, Grognak, Blamco mac-n-cheese, the Fallout 4 version of power armor (which is great), and I suppose Maximus's pistol is possibly the Fallout 1 one. The issue is that they still get the important stuff wrong. I can appreciate that they tried, though.
>What "deeper cuts" are there, though? There's the water chip thing in Vault 33, FEV (the human-salamander hybrids and potentially what Thaddeus inhaled), and... the NCR, which everyone agrees was wildly mishandled
They do reference the NV dlcs with Sinclair's cameo and him representing the Big MT plus a hint towards the Enclave with the radio at the beginning of the first episode mentioning that the president's whereabouts are unknown despite negotiations still being set to take place, which we know is because he fled and hid to the Oil Rig. Also Kimball's photo is seen during the Flame Mother ritual.
>They do reference the NV dlcs with Sinclair's cameo and him representing the Big MT
Both of these are mishandling as well.
But a reference and acknowledgement nonetheless.
Nothing would have been better, it does nothing for either the character of Sinclair or Big MT as a whole other than portray both inaccurately.
How does it contradict Sinclair's character other than changing his position as a client of the Big MT to like an investor/representative? Sinclair was a egostistical businessman who allowed the Big MT to use the Sierra Madre as experimenting grounds, the tragic ironic stuff had more to with Vera. The Big MT needs no explanation for as to why they would support Vault Tec's plan to wipe the slate clean to mold what remains of humanity into their vision.
Because Big Mountain isn’t a corporation it’s government research facility and Sinclair never worked there and was just a client?
He funded Big MT. As benefactor it makes sense he could represent them. No different than majority stockholders getting a seat on the board.
He was a client, just because If I buy a Ford that doesn’t give me the ability to represent them in board meetings. He has nothing to do with them outside of getting tech from them, by that logic Vault-Tec should be allowed to represent Robco.
He's not an knvestor in Big MT, they just allow him to purchase shit off of them because they intend to use his resort as test site without his knowledge or consent.
He's not even their biggest customer, that's the Government.
>be me
>buy an ipod mini
>apple sends me as their representative to the meeting with the shadow government where they tell me we're going to destroy the world
>And that grandkids was how I got to be the sole male resident of Vault 69.
why did he make all his grandkids inbred
Dr Borous was too busy watching cuck porn and ordered Sinclair to go in his stead
>SINCLAIR! Go to this meeting for me! I have a date with Betsy and Richie Marcus...
>They do reference the NV DLCs by completely changing Sinclair's character
What? The Sinclair thing is probably the biggest frick-up next to the idea of Vault-Tec false flagging the Great War or randomly moving Shady Sands into LA (which is no longer the boneyard, by the way).
personally, I like lore, but I have grown to absolutely despise most other people who go on and on about lore in games, especially people like fallout fans who go on.
like thanks to stuff like Game Theory and other similar shit, it has created a whole generation of people who expect every fictional universe to have near IRL worldbuilding levels of thought put into them and will call the whole thing terrible and utter shit if even a single inconsistency pops up. and the more inconsistencies, the louder they yell that "X thing is shit writing"
I enjoy lore, and worldbuilding in games, but it becomes hard to care about a lot of it, especially in a long franchise because how prone to retcons and stupid changes things are as it passes through different hands.
As moronic as this is going to sound, I used to enjoy the old LoL lore because it had some fun concepts and had some stuff for everyone. It was like a comfy beer and pretzels DnD campaign. It wasn't anything to be taken extremely seriously, but every month a new character would come out and they would rewrite the entire lore section of half the continent to force them in, or rework a character and they became a 180 on what they were. A lot of game franchises go overboard with stuff like that and it's just a pain to keep up with or care about at a certain point.
This but with the Ghoul lore, I actually liked what the show did with them even if it doesn't really track with how they're portrayed in the games (which to be fair changed each entry)
i used to be extremely autistic about halo/warhammer/elder scrolls/fallout lore until i realized its all bullshit that is subject to change at any point in time, being a halo fan was the ultimate blackpill that taught me to just enjoy the parts i enjoy and filter out the rest
Because it makes shit difficult for hacks, it requires people to do actual research and follow a guidelines rather than just making the visual equivalent of a mindless pop song. It’s far easier to just take names and iconography and spin them all into generic shit without caring about their actual relevance or place in the setting as a whole.
All House does is make fun of Sinclair (who is now a completely different character, by the way) and say
>Sounds fun. There's a lot of profit to be made in the end of the world.
From this, people are able to tell that Amazon is actually playing 4D chess and House's portrayal in the show will surpass his New Vegas incarnation. Trust the plan.
you dont know if sinclair is a completely different character
He's the rep for Big MT, that's a 180 for his portrayal in New Vegas.
it's an inconsistency but not wholly OOC, he was literally allowing the Big MT to perform fricked up experiments to make him more money
>he was literally allowing the Big MT to perform fricked up experiments to make him more money
He didn't, he was an unwitting victim of them doing that at his Casino. He wanted their cool shit like holograms and mass fabricators.
>you dont know if sinclair is a completely different character
House calls him "Freddy boy" and his last name is Sinclair, so unless Amazon decided to invent an entirely different "Frederick Sinclair" to represent Big MT, an organization with whom New Vegas Frederick Sinclair was dealing, that's Frederick "Dead Money" Sinclair but rewritten as the chief representative of Bit MT
I keep shouting at God to kill Todd and Emil but they live to destroy Fallout 1,2, New Vegas.
You have to admit that this is a brilliant strategic gambit from Todd. Look at how he phrases it
>We VIEW what's HAPPENING in the show as canon
The phrasing undeniably distances Bethesda from the show, even though Bethesda consulted on its production. It frames them as passive observes of what Amazon is choosing to do with Fallout, and its Amazon's decision. Bethesda essentially let Amazon loose on the West Coast like a rabid dog, and their hands are completely clean as the canon is rewritten in Bethesda Fallout's image by Amazon. It's genius, they have complete plausible deniability.
The Witcher games did something similar, they introduced a new character called "The Doctor" who is a mad scientist but apparently not to be confused with "The Doctor", a character who is also a mad scientist from the books (despite the games being sequels, not adaptations) but is also not the same character from the one in the games.
the way I saw it, I just assumed all those Sinclair portraits in the Seirra madre were Vanity portraits oh his youth.
Like, its entirely in character for someone like him to coat his pet project in paintings and statues of an idealized version of himself when he was younger and more handsome and put them everywhere
>"I don't think you really can set out to please the fans of anything," he said. "Or please anyone other than yourself. I think you have to come into this trying to make the show that you want to make and trusting that, as fans of the game [ourselves], we would find the pieces that were essential to us... and try to do the best version."
So as a fan of the game that probably only played 3 and 4, he knows what's best if he makes the show he'd wanna make rather than care about what fans of the IP like.
Hope this happens to Todd and Emil and Amazon show runners. Round up the suicide up to 41%.
It's justified. Consider that he shows up in a scene that also fricks up Sinclair for the purpose of saying
>Gee, I don't know, I like money, but...
Stop fricking basing arguments on things that haven't even happened yet. Amazon could magically write the Citizen Kane of TV with season 2 for all we know, but guess what: we have 1 season right now.
Mr House's end goal is ditching Earth to populate a better planet, taking in humans who aren't morons. This is lost on 99.9% of the Fallout 3&4 moronic Bethesda fanbase who post here, on Twitter, Youtube, Resetera.
House and the NCR were always evil
This is why the Legion makes the most sense
When you turn 18 you're supposed to outgrow supporting shit like the NCR, House and Independence etc. in the same way you outgrow cape shit or Tarantino films
they're a moronic cult of personality that will fall apart as soon as caesar dies why would I side with them
so you have a front row seat to see it happen.
I can do that without siding with them
>X and Y is bad which means Z is good
Literally modern politics in nutshell.
even if House and the NCR were evil (they aren't), everything they say about the legion is correct. they're barbaric, brutal, they exist entirely as a cult of personality, and once Caesar dies the legion will die with him.
Whose the new locale going to be? Mr. House is the most obvious answer but considering the state of New Vegas in the show and him already appearing, it could be another NV character
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fallout-season-2-feature-deathclaws-210107401.html?
None of this shitshow is canon to me. It's all a simulation in Big Mountain.
Pleb take, nothing past Fallout 1 is canon. FO2 was the beginning of the end
locale means location you dumb dumb not a person
They showed NV at the end so it feels clear they will stop by the Mojave at some point, and run into the Fem courier only to see her get torn to shreds by deathclaws so House can recruit Lucy as the replacement.
>Overweight black female courier.
>Constantly calls Arcade gurl and hangs around with him and his boyfriend Boone.
if the Courier is anything but a rugged white god of death sustained by nothing but stimpaks and chems the 2nd season is an instant 0/10
DEATHCLAWS?!
No. Freakin'. Way! Frick yeah!
I was surprised with their restraint on showing the Deathclaws and Super Mutants in season one.
i'm sure if they had room for them in the budget, they would've done it.
Didn’t have the budget, marketing campaigns and hiring shills is expensive.
requesting the new vegas is troonycore jpeg
I hope you, Todd, Amazon writers, and Emil all die.
Bethesda fricked up the series years ago.
OP here, this was meant to be posted on Ganker. Sorry! You can close the thread already
Nice try, I happen to know OP personally and he'd never say that. He's my best friend!
its all falseflag so fnv fans seem like deranged whiny schizo
don't fall for it
there's too many layers to this schizo shit nowadays, especially without thread ip's
But enough about you and Todd, Emil. Did you take your HRT pills for the day btw?
I'm honestly surprised Nate and Nora didn't show up somehow in a flashback. Weren't both Nate and the Ghoul veterans at Anchorage? They could have been serving in the same squad for all we know.
It would be a silly flash back to see the Ghoul fighting in anchorage and talking to someone ranting about how much they hate canadians.
You homosexuals only scream about trannies because you could come up with literally nothing about how 3 was better than NV so you started going onto every place with troons scouring twatter, discord, resetera, and mod nexus to find any mention of a troony liking NV. And anytime someone calls it out you go into hyper defense mode.
All ten years worth of it since FO4 came out?
It’s funny since literally every thread about 3 or 4 is just spamming teeth grinding memes and just screaming about trannies with little to no talk about the actual fricking games.
there's decent talks about the games on every board other than Ganker, this is the containment board for people too moronic to find the other ones
>no bro it totally happens on all the boards it’s uhhh just doesn’t happen here
The copes just keep on coming.
you wouldnt get it
This the ramblings of someone who knows that they’re wrong and has to say vague and cryptic shit to obfuscate that fact.
does he know?
the only talks about the games going on right now are because of the show, and due to the show being israelite-pozzed DEI garbage none of those talks about the game are "decent"
I don't know who this brown-skinned arab is supposed to be, but white blooded caucasian america Robert House in the game was always fascist, and not in the good way.
>the only ideologically good faction in NV
>the only ideologically cool faction in NV
>Sawyer this
>Avellone that
where's that Gonzalez mf at? y'all seem to be sleeping on him
he's narrative director on the horizon games now
>literal communist becomes a brutal warlord
Kek based Amazon
>I knew I couldn't "save the world," nor did I care to. But I could save Vegas, and in the process, perhaps, save mankind.
He's just apathetic.
> If you want to see the fate of democracies, look out the windows
Aparently it wasn't democracy Mr. House. It was you and your little buddies thinking about how rich you could've become in a post nuclear war america. You know, an economy based of fricking bottle caps?
Frick Todd but most importantly, frick Emil
If you didn't see House as a suspicious entrepreneur type of person that likes to use things for his own benefit from the very beginning I really don't know what to say to you. The guy straight up says that he sees the whole strip as his pawns for a better human future (ie. completely demeans them as humans). You could argue that he's pragmatic but he's not that good of a person when it comes to the needs of an individual. People are just cogs for him, he's also very forward with this sentiment.