I think he'll retire to a "consultant" position if he does before TES VI comes out, and just be their spokesman in interviews and press conferences. He is the only Bethesda employee that people know by name that also has a net positive reputation, most of which comes from him being a goofy short nerd. But I think it's more likely he stays on full throttle until they release it and then retires afterwards. I could be wrong though. Maybe he really likes working there.
You should be grateful they decided to publicly disgrace themselves with a non Elder Scrolls title someone else can get the opportunity to make them instead of the post-Morrowind morons.
emil definitely will because he's a hack with a massive ego who's only claim to fame was writing the dark brotherhood quests in oblivion (allegedly because despite this claim he also doesnt want to go near the other dozen shit quests he wrote with a ten foot pole)
Combat and companions, yes. World design and quest writing, hell no.
My point isn't that 4 was bad, it's that it had significant issues that fans voiced their issues with. It also was critically snubbed. The consensus in 2015 was that Bethesda would listen, and change things for their next game. Instead, Starfield sucked ass. There's no reason to think they'll fix anything for VI.
Didn't fallout 76 and starfield teach you anything?
Well just don't make countless threads saying how dissapointed the game was and crying that this is the last time you give money to todd (for realzies this time guyz)
I haven't given money to Todd since FO4.
I just shitpost on here with impotent rage hoping Todd will read the comments and wake the frick up and make a good game again.
Oblivion is when I realized people will pay money for something that looks awful, kills the lore and setting, has celebrity voice-actors and awful, AWFUL leveling and enemy variety. Thats not even getting into Horse Armor.
Despite the marketingspeech that Bethesda/Microsoft has been relying on, Starfield shat the bed. Not a 100% company-ending flop, but enough to make some people in the team weep as The Todd bares down on them and swallows their eternal souls. You should see some of the shit they've been trying to spin, like proudly announcing how many "players" the game had and not the number of sales, or using Game Pass subs as mental gymnastics "proving" how well Starfield did.
It was already going to take them something like another 5-10 years to make ES6, but Starfield going the way it did ensures they're probably going to get caught up trying to save it for a while.
It's not like with FO76 where the shop saved their asses and made the game turn a huge profit in the long run, Starfield doesn't have any way to generate more money over time yet, they'd have to put the pedal to the metal, add paid DLC/xpacs and/or add a Creation Club with paid mods ASAP.
That said, if Bethesda is absolutely bananas, they might instead RUSH ES6 to try to get it out as a way to salvage lost income from Starfield, which would be a really funny way to crash the company with no survivors.
They probably will spend longer on the Starfield patch and DLC cycle than they otherwise would have due to the public furor, but it will be a huge mistake. I wish they would just accept it being DOA and drop it.
They are using the E$O / 76 model. They are hoping to retain enough people tobiy two years worth of crap.
If they do otmaybe the most profitable game they ever made. Fallout Shelter currently holds that distinction.
The industry standard is to now mislead people as much as humanly possible about the final product. They'll hype the next Elder Scrolls up through gorilla marketing, make people believe it'll be packed with so many features and content with unlimited mod support. (Which is easy to do because gaymers are fricking dumb as shit manchildren that'll basically make all this up themselves anyway.)
Then the final product will just be medieval starfield with sailing and a ship builder and everyone will be black because it takes place in Hammerfell. You'll sail around killing a bunch of light skinned people because they sided with the aldmeri dominion neonazi chuds. Everyone will talk to you like you're a moronic piece of shit even if you're a red guard because that's just how RPGs work now. You'll have no dialogue options but 'sass,' 'sassier,' 'sassy leading to bad ending' because your character is just as big of a Black person for no reason.
It'll be a disjointed, nonsensical schizophrenic mess like a microcasm of the broken and crumbling society you live in. You will deserve it too. I'm with Todd on this one. Frick you consumer pieces of shit, you did this, wallow in it.
I think Microsoft's leaked docs talked about possibly using AI to generate quests in future titles. This will 100% happen for Elder Scrolls, and is ironically the only hope for the writing improving.
>Is this ever coming out?
it was only even announced as a smoke screen for the absolute state of fallout 76 and that actually prints money so now bethshit has not one but two games with dedicated whales so don't exepct tes6 before 2030.
Microsoft is going to want to push out TES Hammefell as soon as they can. A nation of Black folks is far to enticing for them to ignore. Expect the shortest dev cycle of any Bethesda game ever made.
I don't want ES6, each game made by Bethesda keeps being worse and worse with each installment, vanilla Skyrim was awful (fixed by the mods, as always), Fallout 4 was an insult, let's not talk about 76 or even Shartfield
They should close that company and publicly execute Todd
Who care its gonna be shit. Plot will be some thin veiled racism is lebad. le bad people with try to remove enslave le good people from they land + dragons or they will be fighting for they freedom. (you) must help them. + buggs ugly character models and broken animations
The end.
Bethesda are not moronic. They like money. They will cut the trannie femism trash for the next scrolls or fallout and make it actually good. Just to make bank from it in the next years so they can continue shit low effort trash.
After Fallout 76's clusterfrick and the lukewarm reception at best to starfield, they're definitely rethinking some shit behind the scenes.
It'll be delayed from when it was going to come out.
unless bethesda is gutted from the top down nothing will change
I'd be inclined to agree, because I think that the proposition of moving away from gamebryo or whatever polished turd they've turned gamebryo into is a scary proposition. You've got a big studio, all of whom are used to working with that engine and to throw it all away and get people to learn a whole new engine will have a LOT of teething issues early on and the game will be buggier in all new fricked up ways.
I wouldn't want to be in Bethesda's shoes right now.
I think they desperately need to transition to a different engine, though I don't really know what they'd want to do for TES7 to make it fresh and new.
Really, they've just waited too long. If they released TES7 as skyrim 2 on a new map and story, like 3 or 4 years after skyrim, people would have lapped that shit up and sucked bethesda dick all day long.
Now, they're sitting on an mmo nobody gives a frick about, a live service that's a shit show with some sunken costs morons and a game that had hype like cyberpunk and was ultimately a letdown.
They have to try and make a successor to skyrim which was loved by everyone (frick knows why, the game is awful), but they're barely able to advance tech-wise from skyrim and people will be disappointed.
It's a talent problem. Even CDPR, a studio that is much younger than Bethesda, were talented enough to build their own engine, RED engine, for their games. I feel like Bethesda has just genuinely lucked out and have been winging it for the past decade, riding on the success of their earlier games. And now they have shown multiple times that they are fricking frauds that never had any talent to begin with, just luck and favorable circumstances, all of which had an expiration date that ended after Skyrim.
Mmm could be, it could also be that story and lore have enough for people to get by on.
I have heard that TES has pretty good lore and I know that some people get sucked in by story even if the story is godawful. Look at life is strange. They're unbelievably shit games with worse stories. They still somehow get reviewed positively. Frick knows how.
Bethesda has an "ignore all criticism" rule. Starfield was gonna have a voiced protagonist until halfway through development. You can see that Starfield's reception has in fact gotten to them, they wouldn't bother responding to negative reviews on stream and Emil wouldn't have thrown a twitter tantrum othwrwise, but knowing the type of company Bethesda is, I believe it's much more likely for them to double down on everything out of spite then have M'aiq the Liar mock their fans with standards in TES VI.
You see, I just don't believe that. Fallout 4 wasn't received well either, you don't see anybody gushing about it the same way people still do for Skyrim today. With 76 they fell off even harder and Starfield is just asinine to the point where the general public is now very openly shitting on it. Every day there's a new video essay being made telling people just how bad it really is. To me that consistent downward spiral shows that this studio is simply lacking talent and has management problems to boot. They are going the way of Bioware and I expect TES 6 to be the final nail in the coffin, where the perception of the studio finally changes into a garbage factory that people cannot trust in anymore, just like Bioware. But since they are under Microsoft now, they won't close, they'll just continually release garbage until they get gutted like 343i.
It kinda makes me sad. I don't like bethesda's games, I thought skyrim was mind-numbingly boring and I played through fallout 3 which started out fun, but was a slog from at latest halfway through to the point I was contemplating dropping it entirely.
But it's still sad seeing big name studios that were so well received start to flounder.
I'm really starting to feel like the industry is getting to the point where games are just too big an undertaking and requiring too much work with too high a risk profile.
I think we need devs to realise they need to start scaling back, reducing workloads and focusing on the good parts.
I don't need Hello games's real world scale game if all the gameplay consists of is holding w up mountains.
Make a world as big or smaller than Skyrim but do the stuff that made it good. Put caves and hidden things and secrets and ambushes and roaming bosses and secret quests and all the good shit that people actually like. Don't just go bigger, identify the fun and focus on that. Sacrifice graphics, sacrifice texture resolution if it means you can focus on the gameplay.
elden ring might be a good example tbh. its a very large open world, but it has so much shit packed in that you never feel bored or lost. wheras starfield has you going around barren boring planets with no landmarks
I was thinking more Breath of the Wild, but they share the same ideas.
When you play BOTW, you see something in the distance, so you head towards it. Along the way, you see something out of place or an enemy camp or a hinox or lynel or any number of different thing that takes your attention away. 3 hours later, you're barely even closer to what you'd originally set out to do, and may have forgotten entirely what it was that caught your attention originally because the game is literally designed to draw your attention to side track you briefly from the critical path. The most ingenious part though, is that any direction is the right direction.
I didn't really feel the same way with elden ring. It's got elements of it, but not in the same captivating way.
Good game, good gameplay but the exploration aspect that I'm talking about is done much better in Zelda.
i can accept your opinion, but the major thing that both zelda and ER had was one very important thing. they both had a fricking ridable horse. at no point in making starfield did anyone think maybe they should add a fricking buggy or something
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Granted, I haven't played Starfield and I think you're right, having a speeder bike or something to travel at a reasonable rate so your player doesn't fall asleep holding w or forward on a controller.
But I think a bigger problem was that the marketing showed off planets, but they're really just very big flat worlds. Why not link them up on both sides, so it's literally a round planet? And if you're going to put all this effort into space travel, why not make it somewhat seamless so you can land the ship on the planet and get out, ala no man's sky or outer wilds?
I know it's a lot of work, but with the space games we've got now, like no man's sky and star citizen, you've got competition to build a game that lives up to them as well as delivering the TES or Fallout RPG stuff as well as developing worlds and characters.
Yes, it's a frickload of work, but if you wanted to make starfield meet expectations, that's absolutely going to be a part of them.
I wonder if the lack of faster transport was to deter people from reaching the edge of the planets?
It's confirmed to run on the Starfield engine so it's already dead on arrival. Anyway I can't believe people still expect anything good from Bethesda after Fallout 76 and Starfield. Bethesda is dead.
Why would anyone ever want to play an Oblivion or Fallout 3 remaster? It would just confirm suspicions of thousands of people that those games were never good and it was 90% hype, marketing and paid reviews. Fallout 3 especially is a clunky and ugly piece of garbage, what's a remaster going to do to fix it unless it's literally putting it on an entirely different engine?
Some said 2030 but I'll say 2028. The technical groundwork is already laid out thanks to Saarfield, so they can just focus on the actual game, and they never went beyond 5 years inbetween releases.
They released 76 inbetween. And before you pull the Austin meme, the game's credits and employee interviews both confirm that 76 siphoned a lot of people away from Starfield's team to make 76.
76 isnt a real game its a lesson in suffering. imagine putting how many years worth of work into 76 only for its legacy to be that of a shitty mess, and the same will be said for starfield when everything is said and done
starfield being a gamepass game tells me they lacked confidence in it long before release, just finished it for a paycheck and hoped modders would do the heavy lifting. 76 is a more singular failure in that we'll never get an actual good fallout mmo since they botched the first one.
Starfield has to be on gamepass because that's Xbox's MO. Every Xbox game is day one gamepass, same thing with TES6, Blade, Fable and whatever else.
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lolno. it's the same as EGS buying exclusivity. no reason to take that deal unless you don't think your product will sell.
There's nothing wrong with Fallout 76 in January 2024
doesn't really matter what either of us think on this matter. it bombed at the start and killed any chance of it happening again or having a comeback.
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There is no "lolno". Do a little bit of research, that is literally the marketing slogan of Xbox, have you been living under a rock? Do you perhaps not even know that Bethesda is under Microsoft now or something?
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lolno
the writing was on the wall when phil said he knew starfield wasnt about to sell consoles. everyone at microsoft must think buying bethesda, the guys who have been fricking up for the past 10 years, was a good idea
yeah which is why I wouldn't really worry about it. seems like they just gave up on starfield halfway through.
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There was never a point where Starfield had any potential with the people behind it.
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probably which is why the leads started having low expectations halfway through.
the writing was on the wall when phil said he knew starfield wasnt about to sell consoles. everyone at microsoft must think buying bethesda, the guys who have been fricking up for the past 10 years, was a good idea
Agreed, it's somehow worse. They deserve a medal for that. I hope there's a leak or something that tells us what exactly went wrong during Starfield's development.
Nothing "went wrong" they intended to make a dogshit Fallout 4 mod focused around a spaceship that fast traveled between procedurally generated planets for idiotically brainless quests that insulted the intelligence of the people playing them.
76 isnt a real game its a lesson in suffering. imagine putting how many years worth of work into 76 only for its legacy to be that of a shitty mess, and the same will be said for starfield when everything is said and done
Whatever they learned from making 76 they didn't apply to Starfield, it's an even shittier and more empty Fallout 4 mod.
Yes they did, the only thing Austin did before it released was take the Quake netcode and apply it to make the game multiplayer. After it released they were in charge of innovating and keeping it alive.
Honestly, I'm not surprised that 6 isn't being worked on. Skyrim was clearly intended to be the finale of the saga, so anything more would feel too extra.
>Empire isn't dead yet >Thalmor are still an existential threat to the races of men >The last tower is still operational
The series won't end until these plot lines wrap up. The entire series is about the death of the Empire.
They'll make it unnecessarily large because they'll slap procedural generation tech in there. Todd is a huge fan of it. Expect 5 times bigger and it'll feel 5 times smaller..
They should drop whatever they are doing and just make elden ring with Morrowind style NPCs, quests, and funny spells like levitate. Just rip off the best recent fantasy action game and merge it with what they did well in morrowind. I'm guessing nobody currently at BGS has ever played Morrowind so Todd should force them to do it to understand what makes it good. If they don't like morrowind then fire them on the spot for not liking good games.
they don't have a choice anymore. TES6 will release and it will probably be their next release. if it's passable and moddable like skyrim, everyone will forgive and forget starfield. if it's a starfield level failure Todd, Emil, and Bethesda in general will die in shame. all that's left is to wait and see.
>if it's a starfield level failure Todd, Emil, and Bethesda in general will die in shame.
I wish but it's never gonna happen, nu-bethesda will ride on an image of it's former glory until the day they get bought by some bigger corp eventually
also >bethesda >shame
lmao
eh again they clearly gave up halfway through development hoping modders would pick up the slack with shit like "most of the planets are supposed to be empty" but he's been working on TES for 30 years now. there's obvious different levels of care here.
>Todd realizes he needs to change stuff after Starfield failed and BG3 succeeded >Todd will completely miss the mark on why BG3 is successful and will add weird misinterpretations of BG3 into ES6 like getting locked out of content for no reason or game over screens for wrong dialogue choice >Todd will be forced into retirement after another 7/10 launch
I play ESO single player and as far as I'm concerned that's TES6. The music, NPCs, setting, voice acting are second to none what the hell are they even gonna introduce to the world
i wonder how they will deal with floaty combat feeling of skyrim , rember Fallout 4/Starfield only have better gunplay than Fallout3 because ID and Machinegames swooped in make it for them. Bethesda's biggest gameplay improvement,having actually working gunplay , was done by another set of studios , while Bethesda keeps dumbing down RPG elements. So who the hell is gonna come in this time and fix their floaty weightless combat , since I dont know many studios that to first person sword and shield fantasy games , imagine TESVI coming out in 2028 with exact same floaty animations of Skyrim ?
Probably, they need the money it's guaranteed to bring
Will Todd retire before its release? That's the real question
I think he'll retire to a "consultant" position if he does before TES VI comes out, and just be their spokesman in interviews and press conferences. He is the only Bethesda employee that people know by name that also has a net positive reputation, most of which comes from him being a goofy short nerd. But I think it's more likely he stays on full throttle until they release it and then retires afterwards. I could be wrong though. Maybe he really likes working there.
im glad they put that mutant freak pete hines into a box. fricking moron put his foot in his mouth every time he opened it
Not before 2030 at the earliest
Glad we have to wait almost two decades for another game because the morons at bethesda would rather make a shitty space game.
You should be grateful they decided to publicly disgrace themselves with a non Elder Scrolls title someone else can get the opportunity to make them instead of the post-Morrowind morons.
It's going to be delayed as they will be going back to the drawing board to avoid the mistakes of Starfield
knowing them they'll double down on every single one
emil definitely will because he's a hack with a massive ego who's only claim to fame was writing the dark brotherhood quests in oblivion (allegedly because despite this claim he also doesnt want to go near the other dozen shit quests he wrote with a ten foot pole)
That's what we said after Fallout 4, and Starfield was significantly worse.
>already trying to memory hole fallout 76
Fallout 4 was actually good
>shit story
>pointless dialouge options
>no fricking skill points
>mediore gun play
>no player choice
ASS
Combat and companions, yes. World design and quest writing, hell no.
My point isn't that 4 was bad, it's that it had significant issues that fans voiced their issues with. It also was critically snubbed. The consensus in 2015 was that Bethesda would listen, and change things for their next game. Instead, Starfield sucked ass. There's no reason to think they'll fix anything for VI.
Didn't fallout 76 and starfield teach you anything?
Well just don't make countless threads saying how dissapointed the game was and crying that this is the last time you give money to todd (for realzies this time guyz)
I haven't given money to Todd since FO4.
I just shitpost on here with impotent rage hoping Todd will read the comments and wake the frick up and make a good game again.
Oblivion is when I realized people will pay money for something that looks awful, kills the lore and setting, has celebrity voice-actors and awful, AWFUL leveling and enemy variety. Thats not even getting into Horse Armor.
never hopefully
Despite the marketingspeech that Bethesda/Microsoft has been relying on, Starfield shat the bed. Not a 100% company-ending flop, but enough to make some people in the team weep as The Todd bares down on them and swallows their eternal souls. You should see some of the shit they've been trying to spin, like proudly announcing how many "players" the game had and not the number of sales, or using Game Pass subs as mental gymnastics "proving" how well Starfield did.
It was already going to take them something like another 5-10 years to make ES6, but Starfield going the way it did ensures they're probably going to get caught up trying to save it for a while.
It's not like with FO76 where the shop saved their asses and made the game turn a huge profit in the long run, Starfield doesn't have any way to generate more money over time yet, they'd have to put the pedal to the metal, add paid DLC/xpacs and/or add a Creation Club with paid mods ASAP.
That said, if Bethesda is absolutely bananas, they might instead RUSH ES6 to try to get it out as a way to salvage lost income from Starfield, which would be a really funny way to crash the company with no survivors.
They probably will spend longer on the Starfield patch and DLC cycle than they otherwise would have due to the public furor, but it will be a huge mistake. I wish they would just accept it being DOA and drop it.
They are using the E$O / 76 model. They are hoping to retain enough people tobiy two years worth of crap.
If they do otmaybe the most profitable game they ever made. Fallout Shelter currently holds that distinction.
The industry standard is to now mislead people as much as humanly possible about the final product. They'll hype the next Elder Scrolls up through gorilla marketing, make people believe it'll be packed with so many features and content with unlimited mod support. (Which is easy to do because gaymers are fricking dumb as shit manchildren that'll basically make all this up themselves anyway.)
Then the final product will just be medieval starfield with sailing and a ship builder and everyone will be black because it takes place in Hammerfell. You'll sail around killing a bunch of light skinned people because they sided with the aldmeri dominion neonazi chuds. Everyone will talk to you like you're a moronic piece of shit even if you're a red guard because that's just how RPGs work now. You'll have no dialogue options but 'sass,' 'sassier,' 'sassy leading to bad ending' because your character is just as big of a Black person for no reason.
It'll be a disjointed, nonsensical schizophrenic mess like a microcasm of the broken and crumbling society you live in. You will deserve it too. I'm with Todd on this one. Frick you consumer pieces of shit, you did this, wallow in it.
After Starfield I have no hopes for this game, Bethesda has been releasing nothing but stinker after stinker for years now
I think Microsoft's leaked docs talked about possibly using AI to generate quests in future titles. This will 100% happen for Elder Scrolls, and is ironically the only hope for the writing improving.
Oblivion remaster first
Shouldn't that be out by now? I remember the leaks mentioning it and a F3 remaster but no official word on them yet
leaks were multiple years out of date. they said starfield was releasing in 2021
Unless fricking Bluepoint is making them you can forget about a Fallout 3 or Oblivion remaster
another leak (or rumor I forget) says it's Virtuos Games making oblivion remaster
tbf starslop looks like it went through development hell
whats Doom Year Zero?
unannounced game title that got leaked
>Is this ever coming out?
it was only even announced as a smoke screen for the absolute state of fallout 76 and that actually prints money so now bethshit has not one but two games with dedicated whales so don't exepct tes6 before 2030.
Microsoft is going to want to push out TES Hammefell as soon as they can. A nation of Black folks is far to enticing for them to ignore. Expect the shortest dev cycle of any Bethesda game ever made.
They haven't even started working on it, for sure
BIG CURVED SWORDS
I don't want ES6, each game made by Bethesda keeps being worse and worse with each installment, vanilla Skyrim was awful (fixed by the mods, as always), Fallout 4 was an insult, let's not talk about 76 or even Shartfield
They should close that company and publicly execute Todd
Who care its gonna be shit. Plot will be some thin veiled racism is lebad. le bad people with try to remove enslave le good people from they land + dragons or they will be fighting for they freedom. (you) must help them. + buggs ugly character models and broken animations
The end.
Not on playstation it's not.
Also, procgen to shit although this time you morons will say its awesome because elder scrolls.
It’s coming, it will be shit and you will buy it
>water is wet
And I got AA trained on your jet
Bethesda are not moronic. They like money. They will cut the trannie femism trash for the next scrolls or fallout and make it actually good. Just to make bank from it in the next years so they can continue shit low effort trash.
Honestly, after Shartfield, who cares?
You will never be human.
Half of it will be procedurally generated garbage.
yes, in 2030
After Fallout 76's clusterfrick and the lukewarm reception at best to starfield, they're definitely rethinking some shit behind the scenes.
It'll be delayed from when it was going to come out.
unless bethesda is gutted from the top down nothing will change
we can hope so but their reaction to the starfield reception makes me think they are gonna be stubborn and just keep going along with their plans
I'd be inclined to agree, because I think that the proposition of moving away from gamebryo or whatever polished turd they've turned gamebryo into is a scary proposition. You've got a big studio, all of whom are used to working with that engine and to throw it all away and get people to learn a whole new engine will have a LOT of teething issues early on and the game will be buggier in all new fricked up ways.
I wouldn't want to be in Bethesda's shoes right now.
I think they desperately need to transition to a different engine, though I don't really know what they'd want to do for TES7 to make it fresh and new.
Really, they've just waited too long. If they released TES7 as skyrim 2 on a new map and story, like 3 or 4 years after skyrim, people would have lapped that shit up and sucked bethesda dick all day long.
Now, they're sitting on an mmo nobody gives a frick about, a live service that's a shit show with some sunken costs morons and a game that had hype like cyberpunk and was ultimately a letdown.
They have to try and make a successor to skyrim which was loved by everyone (frick knows why, the game is awful), but they're barely able to advance tech-wise from skyrim and people will be disappointed.
It's a talent problem. Even CDPR, a studio that is much younger than Bethesda, were talented enough to build their own engine, RED engine, for their games. I feel like Bethesda has just genuinely lucked out and have been winging it for the past decade, riding on the success of their earlier games. And now they have shown multiple times that they are fricking frauds that never had any talent to begin with, just luck and favorable circumstances, all of which had an expiration date that ended after Skyrim.
Mmm could be, it could also be that story and lore have enough for people to get by on.
I have heard that TES has pretty good lore and I know that some people get sucked in by story even if the story is godawful. Look at life is strange. They're unbelievably shit games with worse stories. They still somehow get reviewed positively. Frick knows how.
Bethesda has an "ignore all criticism" rule. Starfield was gonna have a voiced protagonist until halfway through development. You can see that Starfield's reception has in fact gotten to them, they wouldn't bother responding to negative reviews on stream and Emil wouldn't have thrown a twitter tantrum othwrwise, but knowing the type of company Bethesda is, I believe it's much more likely for them to double down on everything out of spite then have M'aiq the Liar mock their fans with standards in TES VI.
You see, I just don't believe that. Fallout 4 wasn't received well either, you don't see anybody gushing about it the same way people still do for Skyrim today. With 76 they fell off even harder and Starfield is just asinine to the point where the general public is now very openly shitting on it. Every day there's a new video essay being made telling people just how bad it really is. To me that consistent downward spiral shows that this studio is simply lacking talent and has management problems to boot. They are going the way of Bioware and I expect TES 6 to be the final nail in the coffin, where the perception of the studio finally changes into a garbage factory that people cannot trust in anymore, just like Bioware. But since they are under Microsoft now, they won't close, they'll just continually release garbage until they get gutted like 343i.
It kinda makes me sad. I don't like bethesda's games, I thought skyrim was mind-numbingly boring and I played through fallout 3 which started out fun, but was a slog from at latest halfway through to the point I was contemplating dropping it entirely.
But it's still sad seeing big name studios that were so well received start to flounder.
I'm really starting to feel like the industry is getting to the point where games are just too big an undertaking and requiring too much work with too high a risk profile.
I think we need devs to realise they need to start scaling back, reducing workloads and focusing on the good parts.
I don't need Hello games's real world scale game if all the gameplay consists of is holding w up mountains.
Make a world as big or smaller than Skyrim but do the stuff that made it good. Put caves and hidden things and secrets and ambushes and roaming bosses and secret quests and all the good shit that people actually like. Don't just go bigger, identify the fun and focus on that. Sacrifice graphics, sacrifice texture resolution if it means you can focus on the gameplay.
elden ring might be a good example tbh. its a very large open world, but it has so much shit packed in that you never feel bored or lost. wheras starfield has you going around barren boring planets with no landmarks
They don't even need to go that far, they can just look at their previous games from the 360 era and build on that.
I was thinking more Breath of the Wild, but they share the same ideas.
When you play BOTW, you see something in the distance, so you head towards it. Along the way, you see something out of place or an enemy camp or a hinox or lynel or any number of different thing that takes your attention away. 3 hours later, you're barely even closer to what you'd originally set out to do, and may have forgotten entirely what it was that caught your attention originally because the game is literally designed to draw your attention to side track you briefly from the critical path. The most ingenious part though, is that any direction is the right direction.
I didn't really feel the same way with elden ring. It's got elements of it, but not in the same captivating way.
Good game, good gameplay but the exploration aspect that I'm talking about is done much better in Zelda.
i can accept your opinion, but the major thing that both zelda and ER had was one very important thing. they both had a fricking ridable horse. at no point in making starfield did anyone think maybe they should add a fricking buggy or something
Granted, I haven't played Starfield and I think you're right, having a speeder bike or something to travel at a reasonable rate so your player doesn't fall asleep holding w or forward on a controller.
But I think a bigger problem was that the marketing showed off planets, but they're really just very big flat worlds. Why not link them up on both sides, so it's literally a round planet? And if you're going to put all this effort into space travel, why not make it somewhat seamless so you can land the ship on the planet and get out, ala no man's sky or outer wilds?
I know it's a lot of work, but with the space games we've got now, like no man's sky and star citizen, you've got competition to build a game that lives up to them as well as delivering the TES or Fallout RPG stuff as well as developing worlds and characters.
Yes, it's a frickload of work, but if you wanted to make starfield meet expectations, that's absolutely going to be a part of them.
I wonder if the lack of faster transport was to deter people from reaching the edge of the planets?
I honestly hope they cancel it and sell all there IPs to studios that still know how to make good games
It will be fallout four with guns i mean swords
It's confirmed to run on the Starfield engine so it's already dead on arrival. Anyway I can't believe people still expect anything good from Bethesda after Fallout 76 and Starfield. Bethesda is dead.
Why would anyone ever want to play an Oblivion or Fallout 3 remaster? It would just confirm suspicions of thousands of people that those games were never good and it was 90% hype, marketing and paid reviews. Fallout 3 especially is a clunky and ugly piece of garbage, what's a remaster going to do to fix it unless it's literally putting it on an entirely different engine?
That is the theory, yes, a remake in UE5, which still wouldn't make it better than it was.
Ue5 spells performance disaster for any game
Based on what exactly? Compared to the engine it was made on in 2008?
Any game made in ue5 today.
Some said 2030 but I'll say 2028. The technical groundwork is already laid out thanks to Saarfield, so they can just focus on the actual game, and they never went beyond 5 years inbetween releases.
Fallout 4 to Starfield was 8 years
They released 76 inbetween. And before you pull the Austin meme, the game's credits and employee interviews both confirm that 76 siphoned a lot of people away from Starfield's team to make 76.
76 isnt a real game its a lesson in suffering. imagine putting how many years worth of work into 76 only for its legacy to be that of a shitty mess, and the same will be said for starfield when everything is said and done
starfield being a gamepass game tells me they lacked confidence in it long before release, just finished it for a paycheck and hoped modders would do the heavy lifting. 76 is a more singular failure in that we'll never get an actual good fallout mmo since they botched the first one.
Starfield has to be on gamepass because that's Xbox's MO. Every Xbox game is day one gamepass, same thing with TES6, Blade, Fable and whatever else.
lolno. it's the same as EGS buying exclusivity. no reason to take that deal unless you don't think your product will sell.
doesn't really matter what either of us think on this matter. it bombed at the start and killed any chance of it happening again or having a comeback.
There is no "lolno". Do a little bit of research, that is literally the marketing slogan of Xbox, have you been living under a rock? Do you perhaps not even know that Bethesda is under Microsoft now or something?
lolno
yeah which is why I wouldn't really worry about it. seems like they just gave up on starfield halfway through.
There was never a point where Starfield had any potential with the people behind it.
probably which is why the leads started having low expectations halfway through.
There's nothing wrong with Fallout 76 in January 2024
You should have your tongue cut out for this statement.
the writing was on the wall when phil said he knew starfield wasnt about to sell consoles. everyone at microsoft must think buying bethesda, the guys who have been fricking up for the past 10 years, was a good idea
Whatever they learned from making 76 they didn't apply to Starfield, it's an even shittier and more empty Fallout 4 mod.
Agreed, it's somehow worse. They deserve a medal for that. I hope there's a leak or something that tells us what exactly went wrong during Starfield's development.
Nothing "went wrong" they intended to make a dogshit Fallout 4 mod focused around a spaceship that fast traveled between procedurally generated planets for idiotically brainless quests that insulted the intelligence of the people playing them.
Bethesda Maryland didn't make F76 you morons.
Yes they did, the only thing Austin did before it released was take the Quake netcode and apply it to make the game multiplayer. After it released they were in charge of innovating and keeping it alive.
It will be pozzed garbage and ruin the setting.
They've already been injecting their feces into ES via ESO for the past few years.
that ship has sailed
it's over
🙁
who the hell cares?
Honestly, I'm not surprised that 6 isn't being worked on. Skyrim was clearly intended to be the finale of the saga, so anything more would feel too extra.
But it is being worked on?
I've never played any TES other than skyrim: The post
Anon, Skyrim's entire story was that the events of the last 5 games were leading to the end of the world. That's a finale.
An end that never came, your post would only make sense if Alduin won in the end and razed Skyrim to the ground.
>Empire isn't dead yet
>Thalmor are still an existential threat to the races of men
>The last tower is still operational
The series won't end until these plot lines wrap up. The entire series is about the death of the Empire.
Is this still going to use the old ass engine? They really need a new one, the games shouldnt feel 20 years old when they come out
How big is the world going to be, compared to Skyrim?
They'll make it unnecessarily large because they'll slap procedural generation tech in there. Todd is a huge fan of it. Expect 5 times bigger and it'll feel 5 times smaller..
They should drop whatever they are doing and just make elden ring with Morrowind style NPCs, quests, and funny spells like levitate. Just rip off the best recent fantasy action game and merge it with what they did well in morrowind. I'm guessing nobody currently at BGS has ever played Morrowind so Todd should force them to do it to understand what makes it good. If they don't like morrowind then fire them on the spot for not liking good games.
No because starfailed made them finally accept that gamebryo needs binned and they need a new engine. They're starting over from scratch.
after starfield, why would you want this. do you think itll be of different quality
they don't have a choice anymore. TES6 will release and it will probably be their next release. if it's passable and moddable like skyrim, everyone will forgive and forget starfield. if it's a starfield level failure Todd, Emil, and Bethesda in general will die in shame. all that's left is to wait and see.
>if it's a starfield level failure Todd, Emil, and Bethesda in general will die in shame.
I wish but it's never gonna happen, nu-bethesda will ride on an image of it's former glory until the day they get bought by some bigger corp eventually
also
>bethesda
>shame
lmao
anon, despite what you may think, Todd does care about vidya. especially vidya he's helped built.
then he should apologize for starfield instead of making excuses
It is a next generation game you may need to upgrade your PC. Did you know you can mine you can shoot, you can fly, you can loot?
eh again they clearly gave up halfway through development hoping modders would pick up the slack with shit like "most of the planets are supposed to be empty" but he's been working on TES for 30 years now. there's obvious different levels of care here.
beyond exhausted of this shit engine let alone another quarterassed open world installment from bethesda
I've lost all hopes for Bethesda at this point after Starfield so whatever.
>Todd realizes he needs to change stuff after Starfield failed and BG3 succeeded
>Todd will completely miss the mark on why BG3 is successful and will add weird misinterpretations of BG3 into ES6 like getting locked out of content for no reason or game over screens for wrong dialogue choice
>Todd will be forced into retirement after another 7/10 launch
Screencap this
>7/10
What planet are you on in which starfield or fallout76, fallout 4, were of that calibre? Planet jemison with the gay Black folk in outer space?
i was referring to the starfield IGN review
if Todd and Emil are leads on it, its gonna suck
I play ESO single player and as far as I'm concerned that's TES6. The music, NPCs, setting, voice acting are second to none what the hell are they even gonna introduce to the world
It probably will, and just like Incredibles 2, we'll wish it didn’t
IIRC, they didn't even start working on it until recently, that announcement was such bullshit.
i wonder how they will deal with floaty combat feeling of skyrim , rember Fallout 4/Starfield only have better gunplay than Fallout3 because ID and Machinegames swooped in make it for them. Bethesda's biggest gameplay improvement,having actually working gunplay , was done by another set of studios , while Bethesda keeps dumbing down RPG elements. So who the hell is gonna come in this time and fix their floaty weightless combat , since I dont know many studios that to first person sword and shield fantasy games , imagine TESVI coming out in 2028 with exact same floaty animations of Skyrim ?
I wonder if they will bother updating their engine after the backlash to the outdated engine in Star... craft/field/whatever it was called.
If It's what Bethesda has recently released is anything to go by. It's going to fricking stink.
Also, I fricking hated Skyrim