Is this the best game of all time?
It's never mentioned in this context, but I don't think anything in history brought me such a feeling of joy when I started playing, like the vision of the developers was fully realized and they were proudly putting something in my hands, sure of how good it was. Their passion shone through in the product.
I miss those days. But it's not just nostalgia...It was really good.
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2 was better, 1 is just a clunky mess.
and modded 2 with various QoL features even better
>QoL features
Such as?
2 is "better" in a lot of ways but was also the beginning of missing the point
diablo does not beg you to play it for hundreds of hours, to do "runs". you are on a mission to save the town of tristram. this earnestness in the game design is yet another thing i'm talking about, and something that has been genuinely lost from most of gaming, and mainstream entertainment in general.
so stop playing after normal, everything after and "runs" is just extra content
well you stop playing after normal
but you didnt, thats why you think diablo 2 is better. but i'm saying it's not. it's more video gamey and it's more addictive. but diablo 1 is sure as frick more "real"
>AHH FRESH MEAT
>play dablo 1
>make rogue
>every stat point into dex
>rape everything, armor doesnt matter
>fight dablo
>can literally stunlock him to death
cool game bro
so your opinion is fricking worthless. do everyone a favor and shut the frick up.
The problem is that D2 normal absolutely fricking blows.
why dont people see this? ive always felt this way. more about experience less about zooming through builds
Agreed. I got Diablo in 1997 and it was just this incredible game with this amazing atmosphere and such focused, tight design. I preordered the big box version of Diablo 2 and, while it is a great game in many ways, in expanding the framework and design of the game, it absolutely lost something.
low IQ normalgays
Diablo 2 was the beginning of the goyslopification of Diablo.
found the zoomer
Diablo 1 will always be king
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Borderlands series curb stomps diaboner
Both are excellent. Blizzard North was pure soul.
2 is better but i appreciate what OP is saying regarding 1
2 created the mmorpg style slop progression that all the boring ass diablo clones have (because they copy 2's mmoslop class progression)
There's no need to blame good games on unoriginal copycats. D2 was just D1 with added extras.
Diablo 2 is better
No. Diablo 2 is better than the first, but still shit compared to newer games.
d3 is the best one, 1 and 2 are overrated. poe is better than 3 by a mile.
Nah, Diablo 2 was better.
Still remember in like ‘98, my aunt was annoyed with me when she saw my the spinning pentagrams on my paused screen
I feel like 2 had better, more polished gameplay but 1 had a much better setting and atmosphere. I haven't really played a game that captured that somber atmosphere since; maybe Vampyr or Enderal.
the music and hopeless atmosphere in tristram is really singular in history to me too.
Diablo 2 lardasses will never understand the appeal of peak aesthetics and vibes because they're too busy jizzing their cargo shorts over their new shiny loot piece they got from killing a boss for the five hundredth time today in their pseudo-MMO
Shadow tower psx does the dark, gritty, solo adventure far better than diablo
Diablo doesn't hold up by any regard
mah homie
Perhaps for its time the most refined/tight game ever made, does everything extremely well and aesthetically still holds up very strong (not a single retro game can match its art direction + execution), but it's only worth one quick playthrough a year, not enough content/variety.
Back in year 2000 all the kids were playing Diablo 2 for the first time at a local internet cafe and some 45+ y old homosexual was puffing his chest how D2 sucks and how he beat D1 many times on his own. Was such a funny scene I still remember it to this day.
what an absolute gigachad that guy was
He wasn't wrong. Diablo 2 was horrible to play until at least a few patches in. I remember being so angry when I got it at launch. Hell you could say it wasn't until the expansion it was really worthwhile.
>Hell you could say it wasn't until the expansion it was really worthwhile.
and that would be completely and totally wrong since the expansion made the game way worse
It made the "play endlessly" aspect much worse, but if you ignored that for being moronic it was an improvement. I meant the game actually worked by that point. Didn't fricking work at launch.
Uhh no the expansion didn't work. Killed builds and entire classes and your character became unfixable. You're talking about early bugs but the expansion made a lot of terrible decisions and had art style mismatch and garbage like rune words that permanently injured the game.
D2 classic was better than expansion. I did a lot of Diablo runs. More than you
runewords definitely changed the landscape of the game, and not necessarily for the better. all of a sudden 90% of body armour was worthless because every class HAD to have an enigma, etc
OP here
listening to the tristram theme...hearing that part where it goes on a little excursion and hits some sweet harmonics near the end of the loop
it makes me realize that this was really like a requiem for western society
right at the end of the 20th century everything felt perfect in a way.....life was so sweet to us then.
there is definitely a feeling of nostalgia. but even more there is a great feeling of loss. the world that led to matt uelman writing this music, and to the guys at blizzard north making this game and making the choices they did in development, and delivering this product with passion that they loved....
that world is gone
and i'm sure someone will eventually make sense of the new world and deliver things that are clearly made with love, but man do I miss that world of diablo 1 on cd-rom, reading that manual in the wal-mart parking lot at night while my mom went in to get her prescription.
Congrats on being the biggest homosexual on the board for the day
Good post
>listening to the tristram theme...hearing that part where it goes on a little excursion and hits some sweet harmonics near the end of the loop
>it makes me realize that this was really like a requiem for western society
its just the opening of rain song looped
You're nostalgic not only for something that does not exist, but a worse version of actual reality.
forgot how much I liked this song
Now remember how shit diablo is and wake up.
Nah, Diablo 1 is based. And even though this knowledge did tarnsih the Tristram theme a bit for me we all know Led Zeppelin Songs are usually great instrumental pieces ruined by Robert Plant's ramblings anyways so someone extracting that part is fine.
That zeppelin song has 0 to do with Tristram theme are you moronic?
I notice lately that people on Ganker are becoming media illiterate
"Bro led zeppelin invented instrumental guitar"
I have never heard about any Led Zeppelin connection. Now having said that, whoever made the Tristram theme almost definitely got the idea/inspiration from the intro in Pantera - The Sleep.
You're deaf
The composer even said he did it. This is common knowledge.
Citation needed
Frick off OP you fricking homosexual. Diablo and Blizzard are the fricking epitome of why the games industry is cancer right now. Games implement drop tables for gear thanks to this very game.
Frick you, have a nice day.
the blame for that lies with the publishers and devs of the games that aped diablo 2, you fricking mongoloid
>OP here
>listening to the tristram theme...hearing that part where it goes on a little excursion and hits some sweet harmonics near the end of the loop
>it makes me realize that this was really like a requiem for western society
>right at the end of the 20th century everything felt perfect in a way.....life was so sweet to us then.
>there is definitely a feeling of nostalgia. but even more there is a great feeling of loss. the world that led to matt uelman writing this music, and to the guys at blizzard north making this game and making the choices they did in development, and delivering this product with passion that they loved....
>that world is gone
>and i'm sure someone will eventually make sense of the new world and deliver things that are clearly made with love, but man do I miss that world of diablo 1 on cd-rom, reading that manual in the wal-mart parking lot at night while my mom went in to get her prescription.
I'm surprised he hasn't been used in a disparaging post about how he terrified millennials yet
It's unbelieve how the moronic lefty devs of Diablo 3 completely missed the point of the Butcher.
>open door
>AAH FRESH ME-
>flamewall
>close door
Imagine not playing Sorcerer and having to kite around half the floor with that fat moron chasing you.
How do you have flamewall by like floor 2? Half the time I haven't found a single tome by then. Or do you come back at like level 10 like a b***h.
Was it D2 or D3 that reconned Leoric into having another son other than the host and the Warrior/Wanderer into being that son?
It was supplementary material (a novel, I think) released as part of the marketing for Diablo 3. So you can call it D3 "lore" (meaning it's safe to ignore).
It was fun, but also it was the first "important" protogacha, starting the idiotic trend of
>get loot to get loot to get loot to get loot
It was a good game, but also gaming in general would be a lot better if it never existed.
So how is the d2 remake?
dogshit. project d2 is much better, probably the best overall d2 experience
>the best overall d2 experience
diablo is a social game. if you arent playing it with people then there's no excuse for playing it at all because its terrible otherwise. due to this factor your only choice is the remake because everything else has been abandoned. imagine being some sub-saharan african tier IQ slav playing diablo alone by himself in his house made out of sheet metal and mold, and thinking modded particle effect spam is some surreal experience.
diablo 1 is not a social game by nature
yeah it is and the only reason it was ever played was the social aspect. you're a moron if you're playing it alone and praising it as the second coming of christ. something is seriously wrong with your brain.
>and the only reason it was ever played was the social aspect
wtf is this revisionist shit lol
B-net was hot garbage back then and most never played multiplayer
why samegay when you got called out on being a moron, you arent going to change history to make diablo some slamdunk single player experience.
Are you ok?
>B-net was hot garbage back then and most never played multiplayer
Diablo 1 is peer 2 peer, bnet only handles the matchmaking, which is untouched and still functional to this day. Sick of underage turd worlders making shit up to justify playing braindead garbage on their toaster.
I forgot that zoomies have no siblings and aren't tech literate enough to find their computer's local address even if they did
why even post man, you weren't there, it's obvious you weren't there
>yeah it is and the only reason it was ever played was the social aspect
Do you mean the social aspect as in people playing it because they knew other people playing it, or do you mean they only played it online?
I mean diablo is only a game that has value insofar as it was a medium through which people hung out while doing mundane tasks, which is pretty much every Blizzard game.
1) pd2 has an active community, 2) remake is dogshit 3) im really sorry you paid for it
>project d2
What's that?
the best d2 mod imo, and the best way to experience d2 nowadays. stackable runes, best stuff nerfed, underused uniques buffed, unuseable skilltrees buffed (ex: martial arts tree), overpowered stuff nerfed/sensibly reworked, tons of QoL like lootfilter, stackable runes, quick cast hotkeys, res upscaling, background smoothing, etc. they have their own website that you can check for more info along with their own discord server.
i played season 8 hardcore group found with 2 of my bros and it was really enjoyable. recommend keeping an eye out for season 9
it's just fine. anyone who says it's dogshit is the equivalent of the old guy in the internet cafe in 2002 screeching that diablo 1 will always be better than 2
>Is this the best game of all time
its literally just a skinner box, try phone games if you like this sort of thing
You have never played Diablo 1
yes i have. click on monsters, get loot, rinse repeat, drink one of your 40 potions if something bad happens, roll credits. have a nice day man
taco baal 008
cowz u make
rush 4 4rge
>zoomers invade the thread
>it's bad!! everything was bad!!
And you wonder why we reminisce for the time before you.
You are the youngest person in this thread. Everyone else has moved on.
Nah. Objectively either Doom or Mario 64, there's a before and after in the industry with those things.
What diablo games are worth playing in 2024 if you don't have nostalgia for the originals?
Do 1-2 hold up? Are 3-4 worth touching?
>Do 1-2 hold up?
Somewhat.
>Are 3-4 worth touching?
No.
Diablo 3 is the only one with good gameplay. Demon Hunter, Monk and Templar all have kino movement abilities that absolutely btfos these nostalgiatards point and clcick grind.
Cant wait to see demon hunter go brrr
Paragon 623 btw
Diablo 3 and 4 have the worst gameplay.
I'd even say there is no gameplay, you just stare at the bottom of the screen at the cooldowns and press buttons 1-4.
Diablo 1 had best story, art, easthetics, music and sound.
Diablo 2 had the best gameplay.
Diablo 3 was pure shit.
Diablo 4 was pure shit, distilled further into super-diarrhea.
have a nice day boomer.
My overall ranking is
Diablo 2 > Diablo 1 >>> Immortal > 4 > 3
Yes, it really is and anyone saying otherwise is a slack jawed homosexual.
Recommend me some Diablo clones please. I played through all the famous ones, hit me with some obscure shit
Throne of Darkness
Played it on release, still got my israeliteelcase
Played all except Grim Dawn since that game didn't click for me
Lord of the Rings games?
kys homosexual
the slormancer, chronicon, reign of terror mod for grim dawn, ghostlore, torchlight 2 synergies mod, median xl mod for diablo 2
Witch and the hundred knight revival
Lapis x Labyrinth
Legasista
It bothers me just how few Diablo clones there are out there, and most of them are old as shit and lack basic QoL features. I'm pretty sure at some point there were more DotA clones than Diablo clones.
Mostly because they are really hard to make, and nobody bothers playing them when you have the original.
Warcraft 3 is the best Blizzard game.
was, a rape victim like that should never be talked about again.
It really is bro, but dummies will say 2 is, even though that's just cos they're gambling addicts who desperately crave bigger numbers and brighter colours.
The worst is when they cry about how slow diablo is, when it actually takes an average of 2.5 minutes to fully traverse from one end of a level to the other vs d2' s 4+ mins.
I long for a new game in the style of d1. Hell, even in 3d third or first person. Something like dark and darker but not sweaty extraction. Or exanima without die by the sword combat.
I like how in the first Diablo it wasn't avengers yet. Back then Diablo wasn't a big screaming demon ,he was more like Satan, it was still about a physical army of demon in hell but there was a more lingering, mystical aspect. the king being influenced or whatever if I remember well, etc
and these notes when you open the game...
?t=8
I feel the same bro.
I really love D1 start to finish but man this thread reads like shit, layers upon layers of pretentious prose to say "Man this part/song/thing was fricking great/spooky <link>"
D2 is also fine if not equally as enjoyable as D1, it just depends on how often you replay them I feel.
homosexual
>this fricking ost
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Need more
I went back and replayed it about a month ago. Peak comfy.
it's the best diablo game at least, not the best game of all time
d2 is great, but anyone saying its better than d1 is a clown because d1 has at least triple the atmosphere, which is the most important part of the diablo games.
d1 and d2 are wildly different games, overall d1 was the better package. d2 had the better diablo design though and being able to do more than just basic attack on 66% of classes is nice.
I feel like you've been hit on the head as a child, Diablo 1 and 2 have the same atmosphere.
>"If you look at Diablo 2, there are a lot of conflicting ideas that happen to click. The game still has a creepy vibe, but it’s also much more vibrant than the first game. There are dungeons, but you spend most of your time running around outside." - David L. Craddock(src)
>Location-wise, Diablo II had a set of locations that were thrown out during development.[3] The locations of the game were made up on the fly, the development team has the idea of going to a "desert area," a "jungle area," and then eventually deciding to enter Hell.[8] Blizzard South originally objected to the game beginning in the "Irish countryside" (Khanduras), due to the shared location with Diablo I.[9] but the game nonetheless began in the region.
>"We didn't really have almost any story in mind at all, other than you are following the guy from the first game, who stuck the gem in his head. You just got to track him down and kill him at the end. That was the entirety of the story. - Erich Schaefer
>also assuming violence on others because they've a different opinion
>muh atmosphere
Play shadow tower, its not even a diablo clone but it does loot far better
atmosphere is the most crucial part of a video game, though.
Thats why you should play shadow tower, same era, similar aesthetics, far better everything else
>doubling down on a shovelware
>best psx game is shovelware
>muh "muh"
>here's some rando game I pull out of my ass
Got a better comeback, moron?
>such a filthy zoomer hes never played kingsfield series
Yikes, this aint it chief
nope, that's LOD. Diablo 1 is way spookier though.
The best game of all time would have to be Metal Gear Solid. It's insane how revolutionary it felt for a 1998 game. The Hollywood-like movie story and presentation, the voice acting, the dialogue, the characters, the cutscenes, the overall gameplay, the enemy AI, the gadgets and weapons, the boss fights, the attention to detail, the worldbuilding and lore/background stories, etc. etc.
Nostalgia doesnt exist, old games were just better.
And i know why.
Its because old games were focused on sound/ music and gameplay, graphics were and afterthought, these old ass computers couldnt handle graphics, but sound - sure!
>old games had music from motherfricking world famous orchestras and hired fantastic composers
>sound was just mindblowing
You still remember the potion sound from Diablo 1.
Or the armor clink where you put it in inventory.
You remember all the sounds of the monsters, you remember the music.
Now, MODERN GAMES:
>GRAPHICS, WE NEED MORE
>MOOOOOORE GRAPHICS, JUST GRAPHICS
>WE NEED PIXELS! MORE PIXELS!
>what about sound and music, sir?
>WHO GIVES A SHIT!!!! USE AN AI FOR IT.
>GRAAAAAPHHHIIIIIIICS!!!!!
As someone who plays predominantly old games, I agree.
Didn't even play most of my favorite titles until I was an adult, so nostalgia couldn't be a factor, they were just good.
Yeah some people may not like it but it's objectively a perfect game. It does everything it needs to do
For me it's:
3 > 1 > Immortal > 4 > 2
Me gigachad and ur moron.
It was gacha before gacha, the game has no challenge other than having the patience to grind, i know that PC players didn't have many games to play but there are no good reasons to praise that slop.
Not really since you don't have to pay for anything once you've bought the full game
Yes but the mentality behind the main game mechanic is basically the same, you grind and grind and grind to get just slightly better equipment, its just like all those crappy roguelikes where you can grind ad infinitum and the game incentivizes you in doing that
Grim
Every game can be summarized as "grind to get to goal". If you dislike the idea of itemization that's fine but I find it a dumb argument to suggest that alone is a reason why a game is bad.
>as "grind to get to goal"
No since some games do not have grinding or don't incentivize it, the main idea behind Diablo and similiar roguelikes is the lootbox/kinder surprise effect, you never know what you are going to get. And gaining knowledge/experience about a game isn't "grinding"
I get what you mean but a challenging game takes grinding to beat either way. You fight, say, a boss a few times, he kills you, rinse and repeat until you've memorized his patterns.
In Diablo, the method of defeating said boss isn't based on movement patterns as much as the strength of your character.
In the end, you're rewarded for sinking time into the game in both cases. RPG elements in general give you something back for the time you invested outside of simply more skill.
In Diablo or similiar grindfests the equipment you get gets replaced every half a minute so that's not a good reward imo, games with proper itemization and that don't have equipment level scaling or horseshit like that are the ones that actually reward the player well.
To each their own. I find progressively better stats satisfying when I sink time into a game.
I liked it more than Soul Reaver t b h, both are great tho
I played Diablo 1 and pic rel on a PS1. Good times.
Make a epic 3x3 and it'll btfo everyone out who shittalks you.
for me it's
D1 is likely my favourite in the series and I'm sad it hasn't really been emulated yet. At least I have the mods for it.
PoE > 2 > 1 > the big shit I took this morning > 3 = 4 > Immortal
It's sad what nu-Blizzard has done to such a great game.
3 > 1 > Immortal > 4 > 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PoE
cope
Lmaoing at your awful taste. I know it's bait but still. Immortal is a shitty pay2win mobile game, there is no way it's better than anything in the genre.
It's better because it has fishing.
Play D4 as my first Diablo and I like it. 1 and 2 would have to be superior, right? How is 1 on PS1?
The port is fine imo, I know some people who even prefer it to the PC version. But my personal bias is that Diablo is best with keyboard and mouse.
>How is 1 on PS1?
It has auto-aim and you can toggle the game's speed. Doesn't support the PS mouse though, so I'd only recommend it if you prefer to game with a controller.
I'm a consolebabby and have only ever used controller before, so it should be alright. Does the game include the expansion shit too?
>Does the game include the expansion shit too?
Nope. Vanilla.
No
Tetris is up there
Unless you're playing on mobile, frick having to watch ads every 2-3 games
I got to a room in a cave where like 20 buttholes were shooting acid at me, and then I died
I prefer GW1. Made by the same people. Genuinely my favorite game of all time.