that was true in the 80s and 90s when genre was synonymous with the region, but that hasn't been the case for ages. jrpg simply refers to conventions and design decisions.
This.
Imagine calling your cartoon with western producers and western writers """anime""" because of a style. The Boondocks isn't anime. Netflix Castlevania isn't anime. Scott Pilgrim Takes Off isn't anime. Neo Yokio isn't anime. homosexual.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Different anon here. I won't try to refute yours or
No frick you JRPGs must be made in Japan. Its not gameplay its writing, music, aesthetics, japanese way of looking at life.
argument about JRPGs, but your comparison is very weak.
This is a very western linguistic mindset. I live in Japan and here there is little to no distinction between western and eastern animations; they are all shortened to アニメ.
Not to say that Japanese people can't distinguish between Japanese-made anime and western-made anime (they typically use terms such as アメリカのアニメ or イギリスのアニメ, or 日本のアニメ), and they do recognize thematic styles and differences in how they are made, but they don't insert those distinctions into how they use the term.
Westerners (maybe only English speakers, if there are any anons lurking who speak other languages I'm curious to hear whether this is true for those as well) have linguistically distinguished anime to "other" it and "other" its fans; both from the MSM standpoint and the fan standpoint. English (particularly American) media is highly xenophobic to its international counterparts, and is quick to pounce on popular forms of media either to make it conform to American sentiments to exploit it ("Speed Racer" or "The Office"), or to demonize it in hopes it won't be able to compete with domestic product ("Pokemon," "Dragon Ball Z," the list of late-90s anime that got swept up in panic is long).
Fans on the other hand othered themselves to distinguish themselves on message boards and make it easier to congregate. The term stuck, and it has gone through several transformations in its use in the public zeitgeist.
Basically, the argument doesn't work because if you asked an average Japanese person both "The Little Mermaid" and "Spirited Away" would be アニメ. They never used it to distinguish western or eastern animations.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Good luck trying to convince Ganker with this. As far as they're concerned, anything made using western hands isn't anime.
8 months ago
Anonymous
This gets even more complicated now that Japanese studios are hiring more western animators as staff members or freelancers (One Piece has had quite a few westerners work on it recently), so fewer anime are solely made by Japanese staff now.
On the flip side western animation studios have been using Japanese staff members for decades, or have been outsourcing to Japan. Takamoto Iwao worked at Hanna-Barbera in the 1950s and did the final designs for Fred Flintstone and Scooby-Doo. By Ganker's logic those two are anime characters since a Japanese person made them. Then there are series like The Real Ghostbusters, the first 161 episodes of which were primarily made in Japan (and it is VERY noticeable), but were written and storyboarded by Americans.
It all gets very silly and it is another excuse for people to argue just for social interaction.
8 months ago
Anonymous
This is 100% made up bullshit.
The term anime was used by marketing to market it as COOLER and BETTER. It conveyed adult stuff like akira in contrast with kiddie shit like scoobie doo.
You're an envious shitskin repeating antieuropeanite propaganda created by semite supremecists
8 months ago
Anonymous
8 months ago
Anonymous
bugs bunny and tom & Jerry are considered anime in Japan, so suck a disease-ridden corpse wiener and die already!!!
Note for the zoomie homosexuals of this thread:
Sea of Stars, Chained Echoes, Unsighted, Jack Move, Crosscode and Octopath games are great games, so eat shit and suck my phimosis filled femboy micro wiener and die!!! autistic whinning dipshits, you didn't play the fricking games!!!
Looking forward to: SOSSR, P3R, LaD 8 GBF:Relink, ReFantasio, Trails Daybreak, Suikoden remakes, nu-Suikoden, nu-Wild Arms, nu-Shadow Hearts and SaGa EB
Long live to Kawasu-sama and Nihon Falcom
8 months ago
Anonymous
>weaseling westoid still trying to worm his way into shit he's being gatekept from
and this is why gatekeeping is objectively a good thing, to keep cultural imperialist homosexuals out of your hobbies
I get your point but I can tell your weebed brain is very small by how upset you are about this.
Words often take on multiple meanings, especially words co-evolving with a rapidly changing medium like videogame RPGs. Mental midgets tend to be overwhelmed by this, and think that accepting a second or third definition means that infinite definitions must be accepted. But language does not work that way.
Your definition is valid. But it is impossible to deny that there are a collection of RPG mechanics and conventions that, when assembled, are also recognized and effectively labeled as "JRPG." Even if a western dev will never attain weeb-approved "Japaneseness," everyone else will recognize the attempt and classify accordingly. RPG Maker combat is JRPG combat.
The fact that there is no separate, commonly accepted term for "game obviously designed to be like a JRPG but not by Japanese," is only a problem for your autism. You could try pushing for "console-style RPG" but you'll be tilting at windmills, this ship sailed 20 years ago.
This.
Imagine calling your cartoon with western producers and western writers """anime""" because of a style. The Boondocks isn't anime. Netflix Castlevania isn't anime. Scott Pilgrim Takes Off isn't anime. Neo Yokio isn't anime. homosexual.
False. Anime is a style. Very little anime is made in Japan now. It's all made in Korea.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Muh semantics
So Spongebob is a Korean cartoon now? kys yourself.
so almost no games then? for the longest time DQ used STB while everyone moved to CTB, let alone all the other differences in the turn based systems
8 months ago
Anonymous
CTB is just a cope for people who want to incorporate the turn order of an SRPG but don't want to make an SRPG.
8 months ago
Anonymous
that's not inherent to SRPGs anon, plenty of them like disgaea work on a round system and not even STB
you're way too much of an embarrassing newbie defending weebgoy slop like CE and SoS
8 months ago
Anonymous
Stupid autistic take.
>jrpg simply refers to conventions and design decisions.
And what's that?
1. Top-down World Map
2. Top-down Field Map (towns/dungeons)
3. homiesinarow Battle System
4. Routine, repetitive(aka grindy*) battles.
5. Granular, incremental progression with frequent level-ups and lots of gear upgrades
6. Simplified gear system limited to anywhere from 3 to 7 or 8 slots but usually somewhere in the middle. In contrast WRPGs often had 10 or more slots for equipment (Baldur's Gate has ~19 I think).
7. Predetermined protagonist in a railroaded narrative.
8. Manga/Comic book, "speech bubble" style dialog. Never D&D campaign or novel-style immersive descriptions or dialog.
9. Catchy music, fun to listen to not just ambient noise or strictly serious/dark.
10. Colorful, stylized artwork (usually in an obvious Japanese anime-like style)
It's basically a blend of Wizardry and Might and Magic but streamlined, simplified, heavily polished and anime'd.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>call pointing out actual real differences "autistic" >start pointing out shit like a casual trying to sound smart
should have made this 2 posts instead of looking like a bigger clown than you already are
but guess that's westoids for you
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I'm right though.
Smart autism vs stupid autism nitpicking CTB and ATB and STB shit pretending like that fricking matters even a little. Everyone knows what homiesinarow battle systems are. Stop pretending to be more moronic than you are.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>nitpicking CTB and ATB and STB shit pretending like that fricking matters even a little
anon, that's one of the biggest differences in turn based gameplay, and you would know this if you weren't an ignorant westoid trying to shill garbage
8 months ago
Anonymous
That's not what the topic was about, moron.
Anon asked
>jrpg simply refers to conventions and design decisions.
And what's that?
>>jrpg simply refers to conventions and design decisions. >And what's that?
To which an anon replied simply and (more-or-less) correctly:
Games that take after Dragon quest.
That's it.
>Games that take after Dragon quest.
To which a completely brained moron replied:
so almost no games then? for the longest time DQ used STB while everyone moved to CTB, let alone all the other differences in the turn based systems
>so almost no games then > for the longest time DQ used STB while everyone moved to CTB
You see, idiot, the question is about describing a JRPG. JRPGs use both STB and CTB based systems. In context, it is a trivial difference. But you are too stupid to understand context.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Most JRPGs have already branched out and deviated from 90 percent of these qualifiers. So you're admitting the definition when referring to a type of game rather than the country of origin is actually antiquated and only barely applicable when you come across tons of exceptions. This is just stupid and these aren't qualifiers for something being a JRPG
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Most JRPGs have already branched out and deviated from 90 percent of these qualifiers.
It's true they have. If you weren't moronic and weren't a disingenuous shitposting homosexual this board might be able to have a discussion about how genres evolved from their roots over time. But you are too stupid for that. All you can do is stubbornly argue over trivial semantics that you got wrong anyway.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I am none of those things and I did not shitpost anywhere in this thread, but if you want a real remedy for this situation, just stop calling western indie trash JRPGs
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, you are. Your autism is triggered by this: >stop calling western indie trash JRPGs
You do not add anything to any discussion by getting into stupid fights about this. You are an idiot who does not understand how language works and therefore are utterly incapable of having a fruitful discussion about the topic. And yet you insist on arguing about it. You are stupid and cancerous.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Imagine being this desperate to culturally appropriate JP stuff.
Just what I expect from hypocritical trannoids.
8 months ago
Anonymous
have a nice day american troonymutt
you will never be japanese
your homosexual worship "games" will never be JRPGs
8 months ago
Anonymous
No.
have a nice day american troonymutt
you will never be japanese
your homosexual worship "games" will never be JRPGs
Jrpg is not a synonym for "good" you projecting wapanese homosexual
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Jrpg is not a synonym for "good"
neither is it synonymous with being made by troonymutts
8 months ago
Anonymous
Most JRPGs have already branched out and deviated from 90 percent of these qualifiers. So you're admitting the definition when referring to a type of game rather than the country of origin is actually antiquated and only barely applicable when you come across tons of exceptions. This is just stupid and these aren't qualifiers for something being a JRPG
No they fricking haven't.
Jrpgs are 4 homies in a row games
If they turn into action rpgs, now they're action rpgs. have a nice day.
8 months ago
Anonymous
This is true for every genre in existence you dumb homosexual.
Action games from Japan aren't JRPGs for the same reason Irish people playing Chinese folk isn't "Irish folk".
Dumb Black person
8 months ago
Anonymous
>homiesinarow
Oh so you're a meme spouting TwitterBlack person tourist ONTOP of being a troony.
Also how the hell is anime style a "design convention"? It's just an art style. Going based of your semantical list Dark Souls wouldn't even be considered a JRPG. What hog wash.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Dark souls isn't a jrpg. Period.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Dark Souls isn't an RPG so it's not a JRPG.
[...] >This is true for every genre in existence you dumb homosexual.
No, JRPG evolved into an actively-used label while no other notable genre did. This is partly because no other genre had such a distinct, obvious and relevant divide. JRPGs are clearly RPGs, yet they differ from western RPGs in common ways intuitively recognizable by normal players who actually use the language practically.
>Produced in Japan
It's a JRPG. Cry about it.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Cry about what? You being completely wrong about how language is used by hundreds of thousands of people?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>hundreds of thousands of people
I'm going to make a DS thread just to spite you.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Dark Souls is my favorite game so I don't care if you make a thread about it. It's still silly to call it a JRPG in the same genre as Dragon Quest.
8 months ago
Anonymous
No it isn’t.
Checkmate.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Pretentious drivel.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Dark Souls isn't an RPG so it's not a JRPG.
This is true for every genre in existence you dumb homosexual.
Action games from Japan aren't JRPGs for the same reason Irish people playing Chinese folk isn't "Irish folk".
Dumb Black person
>This is true for every genre in existence you dumb homosexual.
No, JRPG evolved into an actively-used label while no other notable genre did. This is partly because no other genre had such a distinct, obvious and relevant divide. JRPGs are clearly RPGs, yet they differ from western RPGs in common ways intuitively recognizable by normal players who actually use the language practically.
8 months ago
Anonymous
If it's not an RPG then why do I RP as John Darksouls?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>JRPG evolved into an actively-used label while no other notable genre did
What in the frick is gobbledeyasiatic.
Every genre label is "actively used"
>metal, rock, jazz, action adventure, horror, etc...
You really are a drooling moron
8 months ago
Anonymous
I mean no other genre developed a "J" distinction.
Although if you're going full moron there is J-Pop.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Probably because Westerners couldn't make platformers, beat em ups, or fighting games for shit and it wasn't worth it. Meanwhile the Japanese never made FPS games and their strategy games suck.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>and their strategy games suck.
I WILL FIGHT YOU ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET
8 months ago
Anonymous
Westerners did make platformers but nobody cared about country of origin because there's just no point putting Aladdin (Virgin), Earthworm Jim and Donkey Kong Country into a separate category from Super Mario Brothers, Castlevania and Aladdin (Capcom). If you really know what to look for you can spot different design priorities, but the difference was never worth distinguishing as a genre.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I'm gonna disembowel your fricking corpse while you're still alive wienersucker, and then I'm gonna cum in your homosexual body and finally I'm gonna take a big fat dump in your pale face, FE, Tactics Ogre and Nomunaga-sama are sacred, magnanimous homosexual
If JRPG means country of origin then it is not a genre.
If JRPG is a genre then country of origin is not essential to the definition.
Nobody used the term in the 80s and 90s
Please show some then. I never heard about it until well after 2000.
In the 80s and 90s it was more common to distinguish "Console RPGs" and "Computer RPGs" or "PC RPGs" (by the 90s). By the mid-late 90s, JRPG and Console RPG were being used somewhat interchangeably given that there was almost total overlap in the categories (and PC-98 shit had no effect at all on western jargon, weebs). Personally I suspect JRPG stuck because "Console" and "Computer" yield the same acronym (crpg). And at some point (I'm not sure when), the term crpg came to more strongly connote wrpgs that stuck closer to PnP roots (vs Elder Scrolls, immersive sims, and mmorpgs).
I’ve never heard the term console rpg but when I was a kid in the 90s we did make a distinction between video games vs computer games
8 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't. But I saw consoles are where I'd go to play action games and platformers (faster, no loading, better graphics) and PC where I'd play RPGs and Strategy games. I never played a JRPG before playing Chrono Trigger on emulator in 2000.
8 months ago
Anonymous
First one for me was ff7 on psx, lot of people got that for Christmas that year. Then I went back and emulated all the snes squaresoft games
8 months ago
Anonymous
I imagine that is the case for many. I didn't have a Playstation, but I got the PC version of 7 after playing Chrono Trigger and 4,5,6 on ZSNES. It was like 7 bucks kek. Got into all the other PSX ones after I got my PS2.
People definitely used "CRPG" in the 90s to differentiate computer RPGs. But aside from one or two Usenet posts, pretty much nobody used the term JRPG before well into the 2000s. There were some instances of Japanese RPG before that, but even that wasn't super common. There are thousands of issues of gaming magazines in the West, and I doubt any of them used most of these terms before 2004 when the press decided to start minimizing Japanese games and pushing Western gaming dominance.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're wrong. Final Fantasy was for sure being called a jrpg on snes. Just because your pc fat frick friends didn't use the term, doesn't matter.
I get your point but I can tell your weebed brain is very small by how upset you are about this.
Words often take on multiple meanings, especially words co-evolving with a rapidly changing medium like videogame RPGs. Mental midgets tend to be overwhelmed by this, and think that accepting a second or third definition means that infinite definitions must be accepted. But language does not work that way.
Your definition is valid. But it is impossible to deny that there are a collection of RPG mechanics and conventions that, when assembled, are also recognized and effectively labeled as "JRPG." Even if a western dev will never attain weeb-approved "Japaneseness," everyone else will recognize the attempt and classify accordingly. RPG Maker combat is JRPG combat.
The fact that there is no separate, commonly accepted term for "game obviously designed to be like a JRPG but not by Japanese," is only a problem for your autism. You could try pushing for "console-style RPG" but you'll be tilting at windmills, this ship sailed 20 years ago.
>If JRPG means country of origin then it is not a genre. >If JRPG is a genre then country of origin is not essential to the definition.
Do you not know what board your on? There's autists here that make a stick about what does/doesn't count as a "RPG". The "J" moniker lets you know what where it came from and what you're getting yourself into.
that was true in the 80s and 90s when genre was synonymous with the region, but that hasn't been the case for ages. jrpg simply refers to conventions and design decisions.
have a nice day you fricking shitposting subhuman.
Only Chained Echoes is a good thing because its high-quality in many ways, even bordering ambitious.
Octopath is purely for job system autists and nostalgiagay, with no depth or complexity whatsoever, just another proof of Square's lack of effort .
Sea of Stars screams "indie darling" while the quality it demonstrated lacks depth and complexity just like Octopath.
The latter two games are often judged purely by nostalgia if you scour the internet for opinions, while Chained Echoes' hate is mostly from /vpol/ since the game was actually good but they thought the ending is 'cucked' .
>Only Chained Echoes is a good thing because its high-quality in many ways, even bordering ambitious.
I disagree with you completely but could you say why you think this? I thought it just took ideas from stuff like Chrono Cross and tried to over balance everything yet still ended up being braindead
How is it inspired by Chrono Cross and how is it braindead? >every encounters are designed uniquely and have different sprite animations >unique font and UI choice compared >freedom to choose which skills to prioritize first. yes some skills are objectively better but it rewards player knowledge >exploration is constantly rewarded >variation in puzzles and dungeons >story has multiple layers that require some thought to understand >moral ambiguity >ending is unique compared to other JRPGs, fits the bill with Glenn's character >sky armor fight is nice because it demonstrates the power difference between humans and mech. i think there are some underutilized potential though >generic battle music is better than Chrono Trigger >crystal system while not perfect grants a degree of customization that requires some thought >job emblems which can give character roles >flying mech exploration which is also unique and opens up previously closed up locations, making backtracking fun
Honestly my complaints are mostly nitpicks such as grammar/typos, sometimes the sprite animations during cutscenes are too static (although still better than octopath), lots of fade to blacks without detailed animations, consumable item variety, and lack of status indicators in battles (sleeping characters / enemies won't show that they are asleep).
>Only Chained Echoes is a good thing because its high-quality in many ways, even bordering ambitious.
There is absolutely no depth to that game at all. Every fight is just Oil+Lenne's AOEs.
I don't know what encounters are like in chained echoes because all I did was hit enemies for 100% of their hp and hit bosses for 50% of their hp.
>water thrust >boss interrupts turn order to phase change because I brought it's hp below 70% >boss interrupts turn order to phase change because I brought it's hp below 40% >dies before it can act again >all while my team is immune to damage thanks to stacking defensive buffs from a bard and a goat
the way damage is calculated is a bit silly
>chained echoes, good, even ambitious >meanwhile octopath no depth and complexity >while praising fricking chained echoes of all things
Hallo Matthias, bring dich doch bitte endlich um
Good post, but Chained Echoes' story hinges on cuckoldry. It's a revelation of importance to the narrative on par with Cloud's identity in FF7 or the orphanage in FF8. And the other man is a dark skinned character. The developer is asking for it.
Only one of those is a JRPG.
Also the hype is kinda fake, OT2 sales crumbled compared to the first game because most people don't actually care about that kind of games, as much as they like to pretend they do.
Just check the reviews
If they actually described the qualities of the game in detail, not just mention "BEST" "AMAZING" "NOSTALGIA" then it is actually a memorable and worth to experience.
Something not found in Octopath and SoS reviews, sadly
They're all middle of the road, mechanically and worth a try if you've already beaten every actual retro jrpg. However, Chained Echoes has a hentai doujin plot twist at the end that retroactively discredits the entire game.
This. I wouldn't rate any of these above a 7 and they are either too safe like Sea of Stars, or just all over the place like Chained Echoes. I am a bit salty on CE mainly cause 10 hours in I got the well-known bug that corrupts saves so I had to start over.
Too many puzzles in SoS. It's literally a block pushing simulator at times.
Crosscode is too many puzzles, SoS's problem is its so fricking braindead that it might as well not have puzzles. You can get into a flow state which the solutions are so obvious they are just motions you go through at some point.
I feel like I'm really easy to please when it comes to JRPGs but I can't even force myself to play SoS. dropped it at the start of the mole dungeon then played other games for a few days. picked it up again today and gave up at the next save point.
I think my main problems are the complete lack of customization (looks like you get more later, but still seems minimal compared to other JRPGs) and the battle animations are too goddamn long. I get that they can't be too fast because of timed hits/blocks but they're longer than they need to be.
also, not sure how to explain it exactly but everything about the game seems bland. the MCs are a fricking Sun Mage and Moon Mage. that should be cool, but for some reason it's not.
I don't mind the battle animations, because there isn't THAT many encounters. I mind that for the first 5 hours I used Attack and one of the magic spells for each character and that was it. Then I was told each character maxes out on 3 basic skills plus an ultimate, and really got annoyed with the prospect of continuing.
Cucked Echoes is horrendous
Haven't played Sea of Stars, from what I heard it's also very shallow in both story and gameplay with the only upside being the presentation
Octopath 2 was alright, a bit better than the first game, could have used a lot more endgame stuff to explore and fight not just a recycled super boss
It really doesn't take a lot to impress people these days. Though I guess that's normal when you consume so much shit that none of it ever actually digests or sinks in.
I feel like I'm really easy to please when it comes to JRPGs but I can't even force myself to play SoS. dropped it at the start of the mole dungeon then played other games for a few days. picked it up again today and gave up at the next save point.
I think my main problems are the complete lack of customization (looks like you get more later, but still seems minimal compared to other JRPGs) and the battle animations are too goddamn long. I get that they can't be too fast because of timed hits/blocks but they're longer than they need to be.
also, not sure how to explain it exactly but everything about the game seems bland. the MCs are a fricking Sun Mage and Moon Mage. that should be cool, but for some reason it's not.
I don't know what it is about Sea of Sharts either, but for me I just didn't feel anything playing it and don't know why. I never liked Chrono Trigger much in terms of story and characters, but the music kept me going, same with Xenogears to a degree, but I'm mainly focusing on the simplicity in story between CT and SoS. Hate using this forced meme as a descriptor, but SoS is arguably "forced soul" or "faux" soul that it ends up being just a bland game.
I'll just say that I never thought timed hits are anything more than a gimmick and don't actually make turn based combat better. It only belongs in a bing bing wahoo RPG designed for 8 year olds. Can't for the life of me understand why so called fans of the genre(JRPGs) fall for that meme garbage
I don't really consider it to be fun, but additions in Legend of Dragoon are neat at least since it actually helps and isn't just deciding if your attacks are sub optimal or not
For me it's the literal homosexual author self insert that's rewarded at the end for being one of the most moronic and inconsistent characters in the medium, truly awful
Everything else that is intended to be cool and memorable about the game like certain plot twists or events are also obviously taken from better games like Xenogears and FF6 and just executed worse
Definitely, although it is more that JRPGs as a whole have been having a renaissance since 2017.
Since the Switch came out and became a port machine that prints money developers have scrambled to put anything on there. With serendipitous timing another little game called Persona 5 came out in 2017 that put JRPGs back on the map after a decade of mainstream irrelevancy. The stars aligned and JRPGs are mainstream enough to be deemed a safe financial venture. Even Square Enix, the poster child for abandoning its classic JRPG franchises, has been putting out title after title recently that either is a straight-up JRPG or has heavy JRPG elements. Then you have Falcom and NIS who have been releasing more ports and localizing more games for the English market. Then you have Nintendo who is remaking two of its classic Mario JRPGs that only turbo-nerds have played (in comparison to the average Nintendo fan).
JRPGs are riding high right now, and unless Bioware or Bethesda or other WRPG studios can stage a major comeback and shift public opinion back to the 2006 mindset that JRPGs are exclusively for gross, sweaty nerds and the console industry undergoes another major upgrade in tech/costs that Japanese studios can't keep up with the genre will be successful for a while.
Who knows, maybe Baldur's Gate 3 will be the P5 of the WRPG genre and spawn a hundred more games. Only time will tell, but for right now RPGs as a whole (mirroring the games industry) are looking up!
>Who knows, maybe Baldur's Gate 3 will be the P5 of the WRPG genre and spawn a hundred more games
Fricking hope not. Last thing I need is more cuckold propaganda troonyslop shoved in my face.
Jrpg is a style. Get over it dumb ass.
Same rules apply to music genres.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Same rules apply to music genres.
no it fricking doesn't >boy I love this american made kpop
said absolutely no one ever
8 months ago
Anonymous
Not sure how you think you are disagreeing. Western jrpg just clarifies for tards who get confused. You only qualify when necessary then move the frick on with your life
>nostalgiagays
These games are actually popular because their fans are teenagers who are forming nostalgic experiences with games that are new to them.
I haven’t played any of these games. But I would say that there have been some genuinely fun new JRPGs released in recently. There’s also been some neat, Western-developed games that are modest nostalgia-bait, rather than these games people hype up as “the next step in JRPG design.”
I’ve really enjoyed For a Vast Future, Potato Flowers in Full Bloom, Bug Fables, Cosmic Star Heroine, and Cassette Beasts. But I do feel there’s a certain threshold some indie titles go past in terms of popularity/press where people just overhype them too much.
>Weebgoy slop made by an ironic weeb westoid. >Half-decent sequel improving on the first. >Literal trannoid garbage.
And as always japan keeps carrying the genre because westoids can't do anything right.
Where was the troon shit in CE?
Probably unintentional but the same sex couples in both games were terrible, almost like they were written to be really bad on purpose.
Resh'an and Fleshmancer were confirmed by the devs in some text-based RPG they were playing with fans of The Messenger a while back. Seems like they chickened out when it came to putting it in SOS though, and most players just ended up viewing them as old friends.
You have your complaints mixed up. CE is the NTR/troon game. SoS is just bland.
why do westoids always add cuckoldry and troonyshit to their games anyway? always thought it was a required thing in AAA shit but it started to happen in indies too
CE has no troonism and overall the woke part is subjective unless you look too deep into it. There is one /vpol/ brainrotted anon here that hated that game just because it's better than every single indie JRPG rn. He also really likes CP.
I play every indie "j"rpg release so I can tell people why they're bad more effectively and call their devs/shills Black folk. Haven't paid for a single one.
>Drunk frat boy son of some noble gets bought a bride by his parents >Bride is important holy woman who keeps getting her "echo" (soul) sent through reincarnations for some eternal prophecy that I can't remember off the top of my head >Whilst the church has been keeping her in their care, she has a relationship with a priest dude who looks like Sokka from Avatar >Drunk frat boy gets mad when he finds out about this and tries to stab Sokka >Holy woman jumps in his way and gets stabbed >Sokka stabs himself and then pleads with a different priest to be reincarnated alongside her and find her in a different lifetime >Spell sends holy woman into a new life first, Sokka is about to be sent but the drunk frat boy jumps into the reincarnation spell in his place >Reincarnated frat boy begins to pursue holy woman over various lifetimes to seek her forgiveness >Frat boy winds up as the jaded MC of the game >Meets reincarnated holy woman along his journey >Eventually MC has flashbacks about his earlier life and starts to believe he is reincarnated Sokka >When he finds out he isn't Sokka and was the guy who stabbed the holy woman, he has a mental breakdown >Eventually gets the holy woman's forgiveness >Turns into a bird
>Eventually gets the holy woman's forgiveness
No, she emphatically, specifically does not forgive him and specifically tells him that all the good he's done in the thousand of years (including inventing modern medicine) since then does not counterbalance her (past self's) wants. Remember, she put the entire reincarnation plan at risk, which puts the whole world at risk, because she was too much of a coward to break off her engagement.
Both Lenne past and Lenne present are shitty people.
>everyone in my town gang raped my sister >better blame everyone EXCEPT the people who raped her >fricking heteronormative pig/lizard/human society >oh cool thanks for the Godhood and e-girl Miang Bro >I'm gonna go hang with the Giant Parrot you never get to see
That's Kylian, Anon. The discount Lelouch was Frederik.
8 months ago
Anonymous
NTA, but I only see that parallel now, partially because it's been like 10 years since I watched Code Geass and partially because it was so shittily executed.
I want to play new JRPGs that are good. I don't see the appeal of living in the past with these wannabe fake SNES games. Technology is so much better than this now.
Genuinely asking, what is the difference between Shut Up & Jam Gaiden and these other games, in your opinion? Did you hate that game on release and think it should have instead been Stockton Shut Up & Jam Gaiden instead?
Irrelevant. We aren't talking about free vs paid. This discussion strictly pertains to the content of the work.
Why does Shut Up And Jam Gaiden get a pass on having black people in it, but not those other games?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Because it's about basketball and takes place in Chicago?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Chicago
wtf no it takes place in postcyberpocalyptic Neo New York
I'm just wondering where the line is between >shit Ganker and /vrpg/ hate because it contains black people >shit Ganker and /vrpg/ likes even though it contains black people
It's the GTA San Andreas rule. If the game is consciously, openly, moronicly black, about gangstas, basketball, fried chicken and crime, people will unironically like it
if the game has random race demographics that don't make sense for its setting (starfield) people will hate it
if its about negresses in power fantasy combat positions, people will hate it
that you can't figure this out means you have actual autism and are likely a massive homosexual
It's the GTA San Andreas rule. If the game is consciously, openly, moronicly black, about gangstas, basketball, fried chicken and crime, people will unironically like it
if the game has random race demographics that don't make sense for its setting (starfield) people will hate it
if its about negresses in power fantasy combat positions, people will hate it
that you can't figure this out means you have actual autism and are likely a massive homosexual
Baited morons. Stop bumping this awful thread already.
they are the JRPG equivalent to Bestiality Gate 3
a goyslop disguised as a retro style RPG
No. Of those three games, not a single one crests 6.5/10
Chained Echoes sucks and it's not a JRPG.
Neither is Sea of Stars.
Looking forward to SaGa Emerald Beyond and Star Ocean 2 remake though
Yo theres a new SaGa game coming out holy shit whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat how did I just find out about this
>how did I just find out about this
it go announced yesterday bro
>2023
>thinking country of origin matters for the genre
It 100% does you fricking homosexual.
that was true in the 80s and 90s when genre was synonymous with the region, but that hasn't been the case for ages. jrpg simply refers to conventions and design decisions.
No frick you JRPGs must be made in Japan. Its not gameplay its writing, music, aesthetics, japanese way of looking at life.
This.
Imagine calling your cartoon with western producers and western writers """anime""" because of a style. The Boondocks isn't anime. Netflix Castlevania isn't anime. Scott Pilgrim Takes Off isn't anime. Neo Yokio isn't anime. homosexual.
Different anon here. I won't try to refute yours or
argument about JRPGs, but your comparison is very weak.
This is a very western linguistic mindset. I live in Japan and here there is little to no distinction between western and eastern animations; they are all shortened to アニメ.
Not to say that Japanese people can't distinguish between Japanese-made anime and western-made anime (they typically use terms such as アメリカのアニメ or イギリスのアニメ, or 日本のアニメ), and they do recognize thematic styles and differences in how they are made, but they don't insert those distinctions into how they use the term.
Westerners (maybe only English speakers, if there are any anons lurking who speak other languages I'm curious to hear whether this is true for those as well) have linguistically distinguished anime to "other" it and "other" its fans; both from the MSM standpoint and the fan standpoint. English (particularly American) media is highly xenophobic to its international counterparts, and is quick to pounce on popular forms of media either to make it conform to American sentiments to exploit it ("Speed Racer" or "The Office"), or to demonize it in hopes it won't be able to compete with domestic product ("Pokemon," "Dragon Ball Z," the list of late-90s anime that got swept up in panic is long).
Fans on the other hand othered themselves to distinguish themselves on message boards and make it easier to congregate. The term stuck, and it has gone through several transformations in its use in the public zeitgeist.
Basically, the argument doesn't work because if you asked an average Japanese person both "The Little Mermaid" and "Spirited Away" would be アニメ. They never used it to distinguish western or eastern animations.
Good luck trying to convince Ganker with this. As far as they're concerned, anything made using western hands isn't anime.
This gets even more complicated now that Japanese studios are hiring more western animators as staff members or freelancers (One Piece has had quite a few westerners work on it recently), so fewer anime are solely made by Japanese staff now.
On the flip side western animation studios have been using Japanese staff members for decades, or have been outsourcing to Japan. Takamoto Iwao worked at Hanna-Barbera in the 1950s and did the final designs for Fred Flintstone and Scooby-Doo. By Ganker's logic those two are anime characters since a Japanese person made them. Then there are series like The Real Ghostbusters, the first 161 episodes of which were primarily made in Japan (and it is VERY noticeable), but were written and storyboarded by Americans.
It all gets very silly and it is another excuse for people to argue just for social interaction.
This is 100% made up bullshit.
The term anime was used by marketing to market it as COOLER and BETTER. It conveyed adult stuff like akira in contrast with kiddie shit like scoobie doo.
You're an envious shitskin repeating antieuropeanite propaganda created by semite supremecists
bugs bunny and tom & Jerry are considered anime in Japan, so suck a disease-ridden corpse wiener and die already!!!
Note for the zoomie homosexuals of this thread:
Sea of Stars, Chained Echoes, Unsighted, Jack Move, Crosscode and Octopath games are great games, so eat shit and suck my phimosis filled femboy micro wiener and die!!! autistic whinning dipshits, you didn't play the fricking games!!!
Looking forward to: SOSSR, P3R, LaD 8 GBF:Relink, ReFantasio, Trails Daybreak, Suikoden remakes, nu-Suikoden, nu-Wild Arms, nu-Shadow Hearts and SaGa EB
Long live to Kawasu-sama and Nihon Falcom
>weaseling westoid still trying to worm his way into shit he's being gatekept from
and this is why gatekeeping is objectively a good thing, to keep cultural imperialist homosexuals out of your hobbies
I see.
I get your point but I can tell your weebed brain is very small by how upset you are about this.
Words often take on multiple meanings, especially words co-evolving with a rapidly changing medium like videogame RPGs. Mental midgets tend to be overwhelmed by this, and think that accepting a second or third definition means that infinite definitions must be accepted. But language does not work that way.
Your definition is valid. But it is impossible to deny that there are a collection of RPG mechanics and conventions that, when assembled, are also recognized and effectively labeled as "JRPG." Even if a western dev will never attain weeb-approved "Japaneseness," everyone else will recognize the attempt and classify accordingly. RPG Maker combat is JRPG combat.
The fact that there is no separate, commonly accepted term for "game obviously designed to be like a JRPG but not by Japanese," is only a problem for your autism. You could try pushing for "console-style RPG" but you'll be tilting at windmills, this ship sailed 20 years ago.
False. Jrpg is a style.
False. Anime is a style. Very little anime is made in Japan now. It's all made in Korea.
>Muh semantics
So Spongebob is a Korean cartoon now? kys yourself.
>jrpg simply refers to conventions and design decisions.
And what's that?
inb4 "Killing """God"""
Games that take after Dragon quest.
That's it.
so almost no games then? for the longest time DQ used STB while everyone moved to CTB, let alone all the other differences in the turn based systems
CTB is just a cope for people who want to incorporate the turn order of an SRPG but don't want to make an SRPG.
that's not inherent to SRPGs anon, plenty of them like disgaea work on a round system and not even STB
you're way too much of an embarrassing newbie defending weebgoy slop like CE and SoS
Stupid autistic take.
1. Top-down World Map
2. Top-down Field Map (towns/dungeons)
3. homiesinarow Battle System
4. Routine, repetitive(aka grindy*) battles.
5. Granular, incremental progression with frequent level-ups and lots of gear upgrades
6. Simplified gear system limited to anywhere from 3 to 7 or 8 slots but usually somewhere in the middle. In contrast WRPGs often had 10 or more slots for equipment (Baldur's Gate has ~19 I think).
7. Predetermined protagonist in a railroaded narrative.
8. Manga/Comic book, "speech bubble" style dialog. Never D&D campaign or novel-style immersive descriptions or dialog.
9. Catchy music, fun to listen to not just ambient noise or strictly serious/dark.
10. Colorful, stylized artwork (usually in an obvious Japanese anime-like style)
It's basically a blend of Wizardry and Might and Magic but streamlined, simplified, heavily polished and anime'd.
>call pointing out actual real differences "autistic"
>start pointing out shit like a casual trying to sound smart
should have made this 2 posts instead of looking like a bigger clown than you already are
but guess that's westoids for you
Yeah I'm right though.
Smart autism vs stupid autism nitpicking CTB and ATB and STB shit pretending like that fricking matters even a little. Everyone knows what homiesinarow battle systems are. Stop pretending to be more moronic than you are.
>nitpicking CTB and ATB and STB shit pretending like that fricking matters even a little
anon, that's one of the biggest differences in turn based gameplay, and you would know this if you weren't an ignorant westoid trying to shill garbage
That's not what the topic was about, moron.
Anon asked
>>jrpg simply refers to conventions and design decisions.
>And what's that?
To which an anon replied simply and (more-or-less) correctly:
>Games that take after Dragon quest.
To which a completely brained moron replied:
>so almost no games then
> for the longest time DQ used STB while everyone moved to CTB
You see, idiot, the question is about describing a JRPG. JRPGs use both STB and CTB based systems. In context, it is a trivial difference. But you are too stupid to understand context.
Most JRPGs have already branched out and deviated from 90 percent of these qualifiers. So you're admitting the definition when referring to a type of game rather than the country of origin is actually antiquated and only barely applicable when you come across tons of exceptions. This is just stupid and these aren't qualifiers for something being a JRPG
>Most JRPGs have already branched out and deviated from 90 percent of these qualifiers.
It's true they have. If you weren't moronic and weren't a disingenuous shitposting homosexual this board might be able to have a discussion about how genres evolved from their roots over time. But you are too stupid for that. All you can do is stubbornly argue over trivial semantics that you got wrong anyway.
I am none of those things and I did not shitpost anywhere in this thread, but if you want a real remedy for this situation, just stop calling western indie trash JRPGs
Yes, you are. Your autism is triggered by this:
>stop calling western indie trash JRPGs
You do not add anything to any discussion by getting into stupid fights about this. You are an idiot who does not understand how language works and therefore are utterly incapable of having a fruitful discussion about the topic. And yet you insist on arguing about it. You are stupid and cancerous.
Imagine being this desperate to culturally appropriate JP stuff.
Just what I expect from hypocritical trannoids.
have a nice day american troonymutt
you will never be japanese
your homosexual worship "games" will never be JRPGs
No.
Jrpg is not a synonym for "good" you projecting wapanese homosexual
>Jrpg is not a synonym for "good"
neither is it synonymous with being made by troonymutts
No they fricking haven't.
Jrpgs are 4 homies in a row games
If they turn into action rpgs, now they're action rpgs. have a nice day.
This is true for every genre in existence you dumb homosexual.
Action games from Japan aren't JRPGs for the same reason Irish people playing Chinese folk isn't "Irish folk".
Dumb Black person
>homiesinarow
Oh so you're a meme spouting TwitterBlack person tourist ONTOP of being a troony.
Also how the hell is anime style a "design convention"? It's just an art style. Going based of your semantical list Dark Souls wouldn't even be considered a JRPG. What hog wash.
Dark souls isn't a jrpg. Period.
>Produced in Japan
It's a JRPG. Cry about it.
Cry about what? You being completely wrong about how language is used by hundreds of thousands of people?
>hundreds of thousands of people
I'm going to make a DS thread just to spite you.
Dark Souls is my favorite game so I don't care if you make a thread about it. It's still silly to call it a JRPG in the same genre as Dragon Quest.
No it isn’t.
Checkmate.
Pretentious drivel.
Dark Souls isn't an RPG so it's not a JRPG.
>This is true for every genre in existence you dumb homosexual.
No, JRPG evolved into an actively-used label while no other notable genre did. This is partly because no other genre had such a distinct, obvious and relevant divide. JRPGs are clearly RPGs, yet they differ from western RPGs in common ways intuitively recognizable by normal players who actually use the language practically.
If it's not an RPG then why do I RP as John Darksouls?
>JRPG evolved into an actively-used label while no other notable genre did
What in the frick is gobbledeyasiatic.
Every genre label is "actively used"
>metal, rock, jazz, action adventure, horror, etc...
You really are a drooling moron
I mean no other genre developed a "J" distinction.
Although if you're going full moron there is J-Pop.
Probably because Westerners couldn't make platformers, beat em ups, or fighting games for shit and it wasn't worth it. Meanwhile the Japanese never made FPS games and their strategy games suck.
>and their strategy games suck.
I WILL FIGHT YOU ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET
Westerners did make platformers but nobody cared about country of origin because there's just no point putting Aladdin (Virgin), Earthworm Jim and Donkey Kong Country into a separate category from Super Mario Brothers, Castlevania and Aladdin (Capcom). If you really know what to look for you can spot different design priorities, but the difference was never worth distinguishing as a genre.
I'm gonna disembowel your fricking corpse while you're still alive wienersucker, and then I'm gonna cum in your homosexual body and finally I'm gonna take a big fat dump in your pale face, FE, Tactics Ogre and Nomunaga-sama are sacred, magnanimous homosexual
Nobody used the term in the 80s and 90s
Untrue. You can dig up usenet posts using the terms.
Please show some then. I never heard about it until well after 2000.
Do it yourself homosexual
Cool so we can agree the term wasn't used in the 80s and 90s then.
A absolutely 100% used in the 90s. Ff7 came out in 1997. Shut the frick up homosexual.
If JRPG means country of origin then it is not a genre.
If JRPG is a genre then country of origin is not essential to the definition.
In the 80s and 90s it was more common to distinguish "Console RPGs" and "Computer RPGs" or "PC RPGs" (by the 90s). By the mid-late 90s, JRPG and Console RPG were being used somewhat interchangeably given that there was almost total overlap in the categories (and PC-98 shit had no effect at all on western jargon, weebs). Personally I suspect JRPG stuck because "Console" and "Computer" yield the same acronym (crpg). And at some point (I'm not sure when), the term crpg came to more strongly connote wrpgs that stuck closer to PnP roots (vs Elder Scrolls, immersive sims, and mmorpgs).
I have never, in my life, heard anyone talk about "console RPGs" as a genre or distinct thing. You are quite literally making things up.
Its usage died out before you were old enough to notice.
I’ve never heard the term console rpg but when I was a kid in the 90s we did make a distinction between video games vs computer games
I didn't. But I saw consoles are where I'd go to play action games and platformers (faster, no loading, better graphics) and PC where I'd play RPGs and Strategy games. I never played a JRPG before playing Chrono Trigger on emulator in 2000.
First one for me was ff7 on psx, lot of people got that for Christmas that year. Then I went back and emulated all the snes squaresoft games
I imagine that is the case for many. I didn't have a Playstation, but I got the PC version of 7 after playing Chrono Trigger and 4,5,6 on ZSNES. It was like 7 bucks kek. Got into all the other PSX ones after I got my PS2.
People definitely used "CRPG" in the 90s to differentiate computer RPGs. But aside from one or two Usenet posts, pretty much nobody used the term JRPG before well into the 2000s. There were some instances of Japanese RPG before that, but even that wasn't super common. There are thousands of issues of gaming magazines in the West, and I doubt any of them used most of these terms before 2004 when the press decided to start minimizing Japanese games and pushing Western gaming dominance.
You're wrong. Final Fantasy was for sure being called a jrpg on snes. Just because your pc fat frick friends didn't use the term, doesn't matter.
Pretentious babble.
No, merely correct. The post is a response to displays of pure idiocy, without them I wouldn't say anything and you wouldn't feel inferior.
I don't remember asking.
>If JRPG means country of origin then it is not a genre.
>If JRPG is a genre then country of origin is not essential to the definition.
Do you not know what board your on? There's autists here that make a stick about what does/doesn't count as a "RPG". The "J" moniker lets you know what where it came from and what you're getting yourself into.
It only let's you know what you're getting into, when it describes a style.
A style anyone can make. Dumb Black person.
have a nice day you fricking shitposting subhuman.
You're the autistic subhuman who is so passionately wrong.
Its a style. Like latin jazz, viking folk metal, Irish dance, etc...
Deal with you autistic scum. You're not clever.
Chained Echoes is very much a JRPG, even if it sucks.
There is nothing particular retro about Octopath Traveler.
Only Chained Echoes is a good thing because its high-quality in many ways, even bordering ambitious.
Octopath is purely for job system autists and nostalgiagay, with no depth or complexity whatsoever, just another proof of Square's lack of effort .
Sea of Stars screams "indie darling" while the quality it demonstrated lacks depth and complexity just like Octopath.
The latter two games are often judged purely by nostalgia if you scour the internet for opinions, while Chained Echoes' hate is mostly from /vpol/ since the game was actually good but they thought the ending is 'cucked' .
>Only Chained Echoes is a good thing because its high-quality in many ways, even bordering ambitious.
I disagree with you completely but could you say why you think this? I thought it just took ideas from stuff like Chrono Cross and tried to over balance everything yet still ended up being braindead
How is it inspired by Chrono Cross and how is it braindead?
>every encounters are designed uniquely and have different sprite animations
>unique font and UI choice compared
>freedom to choose which skills to prioritize first. yes some skills are objectively better but it rewards player knowledge
>exploration is constantly rewarded
>variation in puzzles and dungeons
>story has multiple layers that require some thought to understand
>moral ambiguity
>ending is unique compared to other JRPGs, fits the bill with Glenn's character
>sky armor fight is nice because it demonstrates the power difference between humans and mech. i think there are some underutilized potential though
>generic battle music is better than Chrono Trigger
>crystal system while not perfect grants a degree of customization that requires some thought
>job emblems which can give character roles
>flying mech exploration which is also unique and opens up previously closed up locations, making backtracking fun
Honestly my complaints are mostly nitpicks such as grammar/typos, sometimes the sprite animations during cutscenes are too static (although still better than octopath), lots of fade to blacks without detailed animations, consumable item variety, and lack of status indicators in battles (sleeping characters / enemies won't show that they are asleep).
Shut up Matthias, Crystal Project is still better.
I don't know what encounters are like in chained echoes because all I did was hit enemies for 100% of their hp and hit bosses for 50% of their hp.
>Only Chained Echoes is a good thing because its high-quality in many ways, even bordering ambitious.
There is absolutely no depth to that game at all. Every fight is just Oil+Lenne's AOEs.
Has more depth than Octoshit with Merchant and braindead weakness system + spam strongest move
No, it doesn't. They're exactly the same thing.
Wait, Lenne's good? I dumped her (and that homosexual Rob) as soon as I could in favour of spammning HP drain physical moves with Sienna.
>water thrust
>boss interrupts turn order to phase change because I brought it's hp below 70%
>boss interrupts turn order to phase change because I brought it's hp below 40%
>dies before it can act again
>all while my team is immune to damage thanks to stacking defensive buffs from a bard and a goat
the way damage is calculated is a bit silly
Lenne is the most powerful character in the game.
lol imagine using female characters when you aren't forced to.
>chained echoes, good, even ambitious
>meanwhile octopath no depth and complexity
>while praising fricking chained echoes of all things
Hallo Matthias, bring dich doch bitte endlich um
Good post, but Chained Echoes' story hinges on cuckoldry. It's a revelation of importance to the narrative on par with Cloud's identity in FF7 or the orphanage in FF8. And the other man is a dark skinned character. The developer is asking for it.
Genuine question: if someone buys you a slavewife and that slavewife runs away with someone else, is that cuckolding?
We've been through this ten thousand fricking times.
All she had to do was tell him she didn't want to get married. She was not coerced.
Only one of those is a JRPG.
Also the hype is kinda fake, OT2 sales crumbled compared to the first game because most people don't actually care about that kind of games, as much as they like to pretend they do.
Octopath 2 was fricking amazing.
Comparing it to xenogears lite with cuckshit plot and snore of stars is embarassing.
See? Octoshills always says "Best" "amazing"
Without any reason.
Do these games actually suck or is it just Ganker having to be contrarian with everything popular as usual?
Octopath 2 is okay, the other two actually completely suck
Octopath 2 has no dungeons. I guess the first one didn't really, either, but 2 is even worse in that regard.
Just check the reviews
If they actually described the qualities of the game in detail, not just mention "BEST" "AMAZING" "NOSTALGIA" then it is actually a memorable and worth to experience.
Something not found in Octopath and SoS reviews, sadly
They're all middle of the road, mechanically and worth a try if you've already beaten every actual retro jrpg. However, Chained Echoes has a hentai doujin plot twist at the end that retroactively discredits the entire game.
This. I wouldn't rate any of these above a 7 and they are either too safe like Sea of Stars, or just all over the place like Chained Echoes. I am a bit salty on CE mainly cause 10 hours in I got the well-known bug that corrupts saves so I had to start over.
Crosscode is too many puzzles, SoS's problem is its so fricking braindead that it might as well not have puzzles. You can get into a flow state which the solutions are so obvious they are just motions you go through at some point.
I don't mind the battle animations, because there isn't THAT many encounters. I mind that for the first 5 hours I used Attack and one of the magic spells for each character and that was it. Then I was told each character maxes out on 3 basic skills plus an ultimate, and really got annoyed with the prospect of continuing.
They're just mediocre, which means bad on here.
Octopath 2 is pretty good and an actual JRPG
The rest are just cuckold and troony worship westoid garbage
The latter.
Cucked Echoes is horrendous
Haven't played Sea of Stars, from what I heard it's also very shallow in both story and gameplay with the only upside being the presentation
Octopath 2 was alright, a bit better than the first game, could have used a lot more endgame stuff to explore and fight not just a recycled super boss
>3 bad games
kek
On the other hand, there are good "retro" JRPGs being made, they are simply not popular or well-known. Silver Age.
>Silver Age.
Can't find a source on this one - got a link?
Oh, I'm moronic. You mean we're in a silver age.
Like what
It really doesn't take a lot to impress people these days. Though I guess that's normal when you consume so much shit that none of it ever actually digests or sinks in.
Hat World is free and better than these in every metric, except Octopath having great music to be fair
Eh, it's alright at best.
A lot more than can be said for Chained Echoes and Sea of Stars
>no Crystal Project
Opinion discarded
I feel like I'm really easy to please when it comes to JRPGs but I can't even force myself to play SoS. dropped it at the start of the mole dungeon then played other games for a few days. picked it up again today and gave up at the next save point.
I think my main problems are the complete lack of customization (looks like you get more later, but still seems minimal compared to other JRPGs) and the battle animations are too goddamn long. I get that they can't be too fast because of timed hits/blocks but they're longer than they need to be.
also, not sure how to explain it exactly but everything about the game seems bland. the MCs are a fricking Sun Mage and Moon Mage. that should be cool, but for some reason it's not.
Too many puzzles in SoS. It's literally a block pushing simulator at times.
I don't know what it is about Sea of Sharts either, but for me I just didn't feel anything playing it and don't know why. I never liked Chrono Trigger much in terms of story and characters, but the music kept me going, same with Xenogears to a degree, but I'm mainly focusing on the simplicity in story between CT and SoS. Hate using this forced meme as a descriptor, but SoS is arguably "forced soul" or "faux" soul that it ends up being just a bland game.
Rather focusing on the simplicity of both games. IDK if that makes any sense. I just didn't like SoS and think the "hype" was overblown.
I'll just say that I never thought timed hits are anything more than a gimmick and don't actually make turn based combat better. It only belongs in a bing bing wahoo RPG designed for 8 year olds. Can't for the life of me understand why so called fans of the genre(JRPGs) fall for that meme garbage
It's fun. That's all it needs to be.
I don't really consider it to be fun, but additions in Legend of Dragoon are neat at least since it actually helps and isn't just deciding if your attacks are sub optimal or not
>pic
I tried Chained Echoes but the sheer amount of black npcs turned me off. They just don't belong to this genre.
For me it's the literal homosexual author self insert that's rewarded at the end for being one of the most moronic and inconsistent characters in the medium, truly awful
Everything else that is intended to be cool and memorable about the game like certain plot twists or events are also obviously taken from better games like Xenogears and FF6 and just executed worse
>Sea of Stars
>Chained Echoes
Both are shit
Are you implying octopath is good?
Octopath is good for normies and sells well to normies.
Same goes for the indie sloppa OP posted as well.
Normies might buy these games but they don't finish them.
Two tumbrite impostors and a mediocre game?
Definitely, although it is more that JRPGs as a whole have been having a renaissance since 2017.
Since the Switch came out and became a port machine that prints money developers have scrambled to put anything on there. With serendipitous timing another little game called Persona 5 came out in 2017 that put JRPGs back on the map after a decade of mainstream irrelevancy. The stars aligned and JRPGs are mainstream enough to be deemed a safe financial venture. Even Square Enix, the poster child for abandoning its classic JRPG franchises, has been putting out title after title recently that either is a straight-up JRPG or has heavy JRPG elements. Then you have Falcom and NIS who have been releasing more ports and localizing more games for the English market. Then you have Nintendo who is remaking two of its classic Mario JRPGs that only turbo-nerds have played (in comparison to the average Nintendo fan).
JRPGs are riding high right now, and unless Bioware or Bethesda or other WRPG studios can stage a major comeback and shift public opinion back to the 2006 mindset that JRPGs are exclusively for gross, sweaty nerds and the console industry undergoes another major upgrade in tech/costs that Japanese studios can't keep up with the genre will be successful for a while.
Who knows, maybe Baldur's Gate 3 will be the P5 of the WRPG genre and spawn a hundred more games. Only time will tell, but for right now RPGs as a whole (mirroring the games industry) are looking up!
>Who knows, maybe Baldur's Gate 3 will be the P5 of the WRPG genre and spawn a hundred more games
Fricking hope not. Last thing I need is more cuckold propaganda troonyslop shoved in my face.
Not a japanese game but Wandering Sword got released recently
I've been enjoying it.
2 of those are not jrpgs
the third one is just shit
more like the turd age
you are making your own RPG though right anon, to show them how it's done?
show who how its done?
I like playing games, not making them. At most I'll make some skyrim sex mods.
You've seen the absolute state of the rpg "devs" on this board, right?
2 of those are WRPGs.
In a time when this website wasn't populated by imbeciles this would be brushed off as a low effort troll post.
Shit bait
Go back to facebook you dumb frick.
Shut the frick up.
You shut the frick up you braindead zoomer animal. If it's not Japanese it's not a JRPG, I don't care what your favourite e-celeb youtuber told you.
We do need to establish a quick and easy term for "western made jrpg pastiche" faux-jrpg?
>We do need to establish a quick and easy term for "western made jrpg pastiche"
No """we""" really don't -- it's just a RPG, dumb QUEER.
you seem like a whiny b***h
Yeah, "western jrpg". It's that easy. The only people offended are weebs
Jrpg is a style. Get over it dumb ass.
Same rules apply to music genres.
>Same rules apply to music genres.
no it fricking doesn't
>boy I love this american made kpop
said absolutely no one ever
Not sure how you think you are disagreeing. Western jrpg just clarifies for tards who get confused. You only qualify when necessary then move the frick on with your life
Nah. You are low IQ and speaking out of your depth.
>If I don't make an argument I can't lose the argument!
Pathetic.
>nostalgiagays
These games are actually popular because their fans are teenagers who are forming nostalgic experiences with games that are new to them.
I haven’t played any of these games. But I would say that there have been some genuinely fun new JRPGs released in recently. There’s also been some neat, Western-developed games that are modest nostalgia-bait, rather than these games people hype up as “the next step in JRPG design.”
I’ve really enjoyed For a Vast Future, Potato Flowers in Full Bloom, Bug Fables, Cosmic Star Heroine, and Cassette Beasts. But I do feel there’s a certain threshold some indie titles go past in terms of popularity/press where people just overhype them too much.
>For a Vast Future
Could be cool, will check it out.
Anachronox is a Western JRPG
Dragon's Dogma is a Japanese WRPG
Simple as
Correct.
>Dragon's Dogma is a Japanese WRPG
Nothing about Dragon's Dogma plays like a WRPG
All these games are mechanically dull. Not one of them gets rewarding RPG progression right. Not a single one. They're soulless copies of good games.
It's a jrpg diarrhea
Now make a western one.
I see some pretty good games on there, you're just a seething b***h
interesting to look at it without ports/remakes/remasters (Various Daylife was originally a phone game, hence its removal)
fricked up and left the X/X2 remaster on somehow
Why is Foregotten on that list? Is the shitposter high?
>KiNo Frontier
>diarrhea
I'm gonna fricking kill you and all your family and then myself or my name isn't John Edge Maverick-kun!
Basado
>Weebgoy slop made by an ironic weeb westoid.
>Half-decent sequel improving on the first.
>Literal trannoid garbage.
And as always japan keeps carrying the genre because westoids can't do anything right.
You have your complaints mixed up. CE is the NTR/troon game. SoS is just bland.
Where was the troon shit in CE?
Probably unintentional but the same sex couples in both games were terrible, almost like they were written to be really bad on purpose.
There weren't any gays in Sea of Stars though. Did I already blot it from my mind?
Resh'an and Fleshmancer were confirmed by the devs in some text-based RPG they were playing with fans of The Messenger a while back. Seems like they chickened out when it came to putting it in SOS though, and most players just ended up viewing them as old friends.
Horse shit on that.
https://the-messenger.fandom.com/wiki/ARG/November_2018-February_2019#February_15,_2019
Argh fricking really? Given the whole alchemical motif, the Fleshmancer should have been a fricking chick then.
why do westoids always add cuckoldry and troonyshit to their games anyway? always thought it was a required thing in AAA shit but it started to happen in indies too
In CE's case to be an edgy inversion of Xenogears.
CE has no troonism and overall the woke part is subjective unless you look too deep into it. There is one /vpol/ brainrotted anon here that hated that game just because it's better than every single indie JRPG rn. He also really likes CP.
Keep your homosexual NTR shit to yourself
CE is garbage even by westoid RPG standards anon.
Jews
>people played Sea of Stars and Chained Echoes
Grim.
I play every indie "j"rpg release so I can tell people why they're bad more effectively and call their devs/shills Black folk. Haven't paid for a single one.
>Grim
>le zommie reddit twitter lingo
FRICK YOU AND THE NIGHT!
someone cuckpill me on Chained Echoes so I don't have to play it.
TLDR: Xenogears but Fei got cucked a few lives back and Elly hates him once they get their past life memories.
Interesting. So they've taken the "display contempt towards your audience" approach to storytelling that is so popular in 2023.
Trust me, there are worse parts of the story but the interracial cucking is the part people remember.
Cuckshit has NEVER been well-received by anyone in the gaming sphere.
People like it in Live A Live.
Bahamuto Lagoon remastered when!?, please Kiryu-sama CEO, please, have mercy
>Drunk frat boy son of some noble gets bought a bride by his parents
>Bride is important holy woman who keeps getting her "echo" (soul) sent through reincarnations for some eternal prophecy that I can't remember off the top of my head
>Whilst the church has been keeping her in their care, she has a relationship with a priest dude who looks like Sokka from Avatar
>Drunk frat boy gets mad when he finds out about this and tries to stab Sokka
>Holy woman jumps in his way and gets stabbed
>Sokka stabs himself and then pleads with a different priest to be reincarnated alongside her and find her in a different lifetime
>Spell sends holy woman into a new life first, Sokka is about to be sent but the drunk frat boy jumps into the reincarnation spell in his place
>Reincarnated frat boy begins to pursue holy woman over various lifetimes to seek her forgiveness
>Frat boy winds up as the jaded MC of the game
>Meets reincarnated holy woman along his journey
>Eventually MC has flashbacks about his earlier life and starts to believe he is reincarnated Sokka
>When he finds out he isn't Sokka and was the guy who stabbed the holy woman, he has a mental breakdown
>Eventually gets the holy woman's forgiveness
>Turns into a bird
>Eventually gets the holy woman's forgiveness
No, she emphatically, specifically does not forgive him and specifically tells him that all the good he's done in the thousand of years (including inventing modern medicine) since then does not counterbalance her (past self's) wants. Remember, she put the entire reincarnation plan at risk, which puts the whole world at risk, because she was too much of a coward to break off her engagement.
Both Lenne past and Lenne present are shitty people.
into a bird
lol
There's even a separate character that pulls a Walmart Lelouch
>everyone in my town gang raped my sister
>better blame everyone EXCEPT the people who raped her
>fricking heteronormative pig/lizard/human society
>oh cool thanks for the Godhood and e-girl Miang Bro
>I'm gonna go hang with the Giant Parrot you never get to see
That's Kylian, Anon. The discount Lelouch was Frederik.
NTA, but I only see that parallel now, partially because it's been like 10 years since I watched Code Geass and partially because it was so shittily executed.
>JRPG
>western goyslop
go back to playing your ""Japanese"" games like blue archive and azur lane moron
to be fair weebgoys intentionally gatekeeping themselves away from japanese media is objectively a good thing
Octopath and pretty much every 2.5d game SE has released in the past 5 years have been painfully boring. I don't get the love beyond the aesthetics.
the man without taste
I want to play new JRPGs that are good. I don't see the appeal of living in the past with these wannabe fake SNES games. Technology is so much better than this now.
Personally I'm sick of 3D games
Same. I'm really tired of pretending that polygon graphics don't look terrible.
>jrpg
there really needs to be containment board for bugmen
Da ruminus pat is crose to gweilos.
do westoids really spend more time crying about japan than playing vidya?
Its a bit weird how all these games have black people
What's wrong with that, huh?
Genuinely asking, what is the difference between Shut Up & Jam Gaiden and these other games, in your opinion? Did you hate that game on release and think it should have instead been Stockton Shut Up & Jam Gaiden instead?
>what is the difference between Shut Up & Jam Gaiden and these other games
the price tag?
look at how well the "sequel" panned out lmao
Irrelevant. We aren't talking about free vs paid. This discussion strictly pertains to the content of the work.
Why does Shut Up And Jam Gaiden get a pass on having black people in it, but not those other games?
Because it's about basketball and takes place in Chicago?
>Chicago
wtf no it takes place in postcyberpocalyptic Neo New York
>Irrelevant
cope
you aren't racist against the Black person people, right?
You occasionally get decent characters out of it.
So it's OK because it leans into stereotypes?
What fricking moronation are you even trying to argue? Yes a game about Charles Barkley will be about Black folk.
I'm just wondering where the line is between
>shit Ganker and /vrpg/ hate because it contains black people
>shit Ganker and /vrpg/ likes even though it contains black people
It's the GTA San Andreas rule. If the game is consciously, openly, moronicly black, about gangstas, basketball, fried chicken and crime, people will unironically like it
if the game has random race demographics that don't make sense for its setting (starfield) people will hate it
if its about negresses in power fantasy combat positions, people will hate it
that you can't figure this out means you have actual autism and are likely a massive homosexual
Baited morons. Stop bumping this awful thread already.
>no stop talking about things I don't want to talk about >:C
go suck two dicks
You trannies and your exaggerations. Thanks for propping up obvious shitposts and making this board an echo chamber of insencier homosexuals.