Is this the most underrated game in the Final Fantasy series?
>Best story
>Best cast
>Best villain
>Best music
And yet even people who like the retro games always go for 4 or 6. This is the "Duck, You Sucker!" of the Final Fantasy series.
 Thalidomide Vintage Ad Shirt $22.14 |
 |
Thalidomide Vintage Ad Shirt $22.14 |
4, 5 and 6 are all terrible
Contrarian as frick.
IV sucks dick
V and VI are kino
I'm going through the pixel remasters right now and I've played from 1 to 4 so far. 4 is indeed pretty damn boring and way too railroaded because there's no flexibility in the gameplay, unlike 1 or 3, like I can't see myself replaying it for the fun it's the exact same experience everytime.
I agree.
It's really solid.
Best gameplay.
merged world is kind of shit to navigate since it all blends together and new places are hard to tell apart, but otherwise it's great
Either this or 9. For some reason fans just forget them.
>9
>the game that basically everyone rates as S or AAA tier
>forgotten
lmao what in the frick are you smoking.
9 is easily the worst mainline game in the franchise, but that doesn't stop basically every single wiener sucker from putting it in the top 3-5 of their top FF games lists. 9 is by far the most overrated entry in the series.
It's too grindy for casuals and also didn't get a western release until the crummy PS1 port, so it's easily overlooked.
>It's too grindy
when do you need to grind?
Getting Dualcast or Dual Wield, for one. And fully empowering Mime.
you don't need those to kill neoexdeath, omega, or shinryu
All of these but dual wield are very, very endgame things. By the time you can get Mime, you'll have access to the final dungeon where you can fight movers which give 199BP per fight and completely trivialize job leveling. You can even manipulate the encounter rate in versions that feature quick save.
Ninja also happens to be a really good job in general so keeping dual wield locked behind it without an excessive grind is fine. The whole game wants you to experiment with jobs, anyways, not rush to an optimal setup. That's why the minmaxing opens up at the very end.
Dual-wield costs 60% of the AP that dualcast does. You spend that time on a more useful job, sure, but either way it only takes like 20 minutes of grinding Castle of Bal or maybe 2 hours worth of fricking around with skull eaters if you want it on world 1 for some ungodly reason...
I recently played through V and got dualcast and dual weild naturally. For dual cast mage classes reach their max level quickly so you naturally gravitate to red mage so you can use all your magic early on. Dual wield doesn't have a significant JP cost, both Bartz and Faris got it no problem
Also, this game absolutely has the best gameplay in the series. Story is so-so but intentionally tongue-in-cheek and extremely quotable dialogue. Also Galuf is the man among men of FF party members
if you want to do anything fun yeah kind of. otherwise it's just FF3 where you switch to the OP class to kill a certain boss.
you can do plenty of fun things as long as you apportion your ABP properly. You never need to grind
>best story
not even remotely
>best cast
forgettable and underdeveloped
>best villain
no but it was very interesting how it inspired VI
>best music
some tracks are excellent while some others are so bad it's hard to believe they were made by the same guy
Battle system is the best feature and you didn't even mention it?
Name a single bad song in FFV
Hurry Hurry kinda sucks shit. Most of them are bangers though.
i was surprised when i noticed pixel remaster actually improved that one so it's a little more than a 20-second loop
It's still awful in the pixel remaster though. The song is just inherently shrill and without any real hooks.
the one that plays whenever something funny happens. they just use it every time. it's the most ">japanese humor" song ever made
The pirate cove song
Kweh!
Yes, yes it is
Brought in most of the cool shit that would define the following games too. Do you like lore/enemy skill? FFV did it first. The offering/double cut materia? FFV did it first. Maybe you like gem-box / w-magic. FFV made this the red mage's claim to fame. I heard you think tonberries are kinda cute OP. Well... you can thank FFV for that too. Mid's annoying sidequest in FFXVI get you down? Well FFV's Mid only has like five lines in the whole game. He would never lecture you about how you can't have your cool airship because he's scared someone might use it to wage war. He'll just build you your fricking airship.
it's not underrated at all. there have been enough releases for it to be properly gauged, and it fits in with the classic ff era just fine.
Even Squeer knows it's the best anon. They have literally let one team make 5 other games based on it.
The 4HoL line is the true final Fantasy experience.
>They have literally let one team make 5 other games based on it.
4HoL
BD
BS
BD2
What's the fifth?
Tactics is also pretty blatantly based on FFV.
Tactics is Ogre Battle
Tactics is Ogre Battle only in terms of it being an overhead strategy with political themes. The heart of what makes it better than Ogre Battle is the way it lets you mix and match elements of different classes like FFV.
FFXI also uses the dual job system. Its very open ended too. You dont get 100% of the jobs but you get the second job at half the level of your max job.
V is my favorite and it's weird to see how many people on Ganker started to champion it.
That said, I fricking hate the comedy song.
>I fricking hate the comedy song.
sovless
yes, unironically
its my absolute favorite but it gets literally 0 discussion or anything
HUH
I want to see FF5 get a remake someday just so I can see zoomers react to Gaulf's death that somehow hit harder than Aerith's death because is actually a great character
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but Galuf is only the third most impactful for me. Aerith's and Josef's deaths are better than his, because guilt elevates them above it. In Aerith's case also words left unsaid and it not being a sacrificial death thus getting no closure that way either.
What guilt is there in Josef's death that isn't present in Galuf's?
When the party returns to the village, they lie out of shame and tell them he committed suicide on the mountain and so he gets no credit for his sacrifice from anyone in the village except his secret admirer and granddaughter. This is not even the only thing II's party does that is wrong, it's a distinct pattern. II's party is realistically flawed, but this was so egregious they had to address it in IX.
With Galuf, the party doesn't do him any harm or cause his death to have guilt over.
Anyway this sort of guilty aftertaste really gives the loss a potent spice.
>pic
I never got far in ff2 because I want play the game without using guide and the keywords system filtered me hard, I have no fricking clue what to do with it or where I need to go. It's just impossible to figure out on my own
II unlike I actually has a structure. It goes like this: Whenever you're confused, go back to Hilda and/or Minh, use all the keywords on them, they will tell you where to, go there, use all the (preferably new) keywords there, do the dungeon/mission, return to Hilda and/or Minh. Rinse and repeat.
Ff2 is justa saga game with a final fantasy brand slapped on top. It's horrendous and the leveling system Iis pants on head moronic. Honestly even with QoL the game is just too damn flawed to be enjoyable without either using a guide or loving to slam your head against a wall .
>Talking to npc and having to actually ask them things is apparently impossible
Jesus christ, no wonder FF games stopped being games past the NES when this the average player struggles to do anything on their own
as a kid i always thought it was dumb that you couldnt use revive items for cutscene deaths
the whole scene with galuf going below 0 hp and then not even elixirs working to fix the damage hit me hard
Chemist is the most kino job
Love weird esoteric bullshit in my video games
I love V and it's flawless, but the most underrated game is III. Secondly you can view V as the peak of mountaintop, but other games specialize in specific qualities and fly a rocket over it. Meaning they may not have the general quality, but they're spectacular in the moment.
>Best story
VI (V is the fifth. However it's the most emotional story.)
>Best cast
VII (V is the fourth. Cara, while amazing, will always be a slight twinge of disappointment over Galuf, pulling them down.)
>Best villain
VI (V is the fourth.)
>Best music
VI (V is the fourth. The best melancholic soundtrack though.)
What else than overall quality is V best at in the franchise then? Jobs, ATB, pacing, breasts and world traveling methods.
III isn't underrated, it's obsoleted by V. It's borderline impossible to like III more than V because V does everything III does while doing it better.
Though I will say that III has some great songs. Good enough to be the best things about other games.
>III isn't underrated,
I can't make this up. You just proved it is by saying this next.
>it's obsoleted by V.
That's just hilarious. Secondly no it's not. A transient Job System is a fundamentally different experience than an enduring Job System with Job Augment. III has the best secrets in the franchise, actually unique monsters, that are seen nowhere else in the franchise (Without III we would never know Gil are real coins), the graphics are cartoony unlike V and the party are indignant, bratty kids, which explains the way the story is, because they couldn't yet comprehend it in a more complex way. V is a story of constant setbacks and escalation of power, III is a story of small versus big, both in terms of huge monsters and discovering a huge world, family bonds and finally humbling.
Oh, and I forgot. LRXIII's best theme is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quqOqRPqd5c
Which carries 80% of the work of giving Lightning an arc by cheating by proxy, but it's still the best song for it.
>bratty kids
>job augment
>best secrets
Oh, I see the disconnect... you only played the 3DS version.
That version is fake.
No, I played the original. "Let's sleep on the princess' bed!" is one of the best lines in the franchise. And the kids are very indignant over all the grownups until they're humbled in the final dungeon and accept help. (With juxtaposes nicely with Zande who wasn't humbled.)
And I'm confused. What makes you think I didn't play the original? 3DS party are not bratty kids, they're teenagers and not even family because they weren't adopted together. And Job Augment (mixing of Job Abilities) wasn't in III, it's only in V and is the main reason it's so beloved. Did you mistake it for the godawful Job Fatigue in the 3DS?
The original > Pixel Remaster > Not playing it > 3DS
What's the best version of 3 right now?
DS?
Pixel Remaster
It has the worst late game though everyone is either a dual wielding rapid fire adventurer or a dual casting mime. Yes even worse than 6 but most people will never do the post game stuff to ever get to that point though
>Bartz
Dual-wield rapid fire Mime
>Lenna
Dualcast Blue Mage Summoner
>Krile
Dualcast White Mage Time Mage
>Faris
Dual-wield Chemist Dancer
V really does work best with some sort of FJF restriction in place, not least because it tones down the grind.
I finished it around a week ago and is currently the only FF I've played.
FFV has a story? It's my least favorite FF
You missed it because you were too busy gobbling knob.
Every series needs that one middling entry for all the contrarians and snowflakes to rally around
2 or 3 is
None of those bullet points are any true. You ignored the one thing it actually does definitively has over it's rivaling entries, which is battle gameplay and character building, in favor of posting absolute nonsense.
this is a bait thread.
Here's a (you).
>Best Story
I personally agree, but the reason I enjoy it the most is how campy it is and how it actually tries to balance out the serious stakes with humor, both successfully and unsuccessfully sometimes. Every FF does this to a degree, but V has the closest ratio, which I can imagine is part of why it's always viewed poorly.
>Best Cast
I agree wholeheartedly on this one. The benefit of FFV's style is that you spend the entire game with the same 4 (later, a fifth) characters. There's no rotating cast, there's no reserve party members to worry about, it's always the same 4 (5) people and their characters are both consistent and growing over the course of the game. And this is the SNES game with the least dialogue, so that's still impressive to me.
>Best Villain
Best villains, plural. The dichotomy between Gilgamesh and Exdeath is easily my favorite part of the game. Nothing portrays the "Humorous, but still Serious" nature of the game than these two. Exdeath has only one scene that's played for laughs and that's mostly incidental (I BECAME A SPLINTER BARTZ) while Gilgamesh has at maximum two scenes where he's even remotely serious (regarding Galuf's death, finding him in the Void). They're the Yin and Yang of the game's tone and they both embody it perfectly.
>Best Music
I'll admit 'Battle on the Big Bridge' is my favorite FF song, bar none. But overall I'm partial towards VI's OST. Uematsu really fricking knew what he was doing with the SNES soundchip by the time VI came around.
the story is practically non existant and the game is too easy to even care about the actual cool job system
Story and characters are paper thin but the gameplay is better than most of the turn based games.
Yeah 5 is goated
6 is too tryhard, 4 is just fricking boring
I got fricking chills the first time I played this game, the Earth Crystal shatters and then THIS theme starts playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytROLrXaTE
Also, I generally liked the story again knowing nothing the first playthrough, when the two worlds merged there were many cool places to explore, but wished maybe the third world had more going on instead of "optional dungeons"
GIRUGAMESH
5 is and will always be my favorite. The job system is the best gameplay the series ever had, and the only games doing better are the ones also using the job system (FFT, FFTA).
Devs know it's the best, that's why Bravely Default happened, that 4 remake DS was supposed to be 5 remake etc...
Some day we will see Galuf vs Exdeath in its undiluted glory.
I just really like job systems. It's so much fun.
The job system gives it some
replayability in theory, but really you'll just end up using same jobs over and over, because many jobs are useless. Unless you are going for a challengerun with crappy jobs.
I always make Bort or whatever his name is a Dual Wield Bezerker with zombie armor
I just can't help myself
For me it was Rapid Fire Kaiser Knuckles Martial Arts Bartz. Just punched Neo Exdeath to death
Galuf's last stand is best scene in the franchise and only time characters remember that phoenix downs exist
I've you've already played FFV a few times, try Void Divergence
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/4603/
It's a very good rom hack that completely overhauls the combat
Thanks anon, I'll give it a go. I just recently played FFVI Brave New World romhack and that description about gameplay changes reminds me of that.
>Best villain
A FRICKING TREE
A tree who ascends beyond a tree.
He was never just a tree, the tree is just housing the legion of demons from the void that were sealed inside
ExDeath was intimidating and the fact that he's an ancient tree that harbored evil souls for years makes him even more terrifying
I wouldnt say its the best of anything but it does have a great job system. I love leveling and unlocking skills in RPGs.
>best story
I TURNED MYSELF INTO A SPLINTER, MORTY
I'M SPLINTER EXDEATH!
japan loves it.
it just lacks recognition because it was localized very late.
>best story
No
>best party
No
>best villain
No
>best music
No
That all said, it is still one of the best FF games on gameplay/progression systems alone
>Best story
>Best cast
>Best villain
>Best music
It loses in all these categories to: 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13 and possibly even 15.
But I liked it more than half of the aforementioned.
I'm tired as frick. Why must we always argue? I've come to bless this thread. Whatever game you enjoyed mosts dear anons is objectively the best. My favourite FF games are SoM, CT and MHFU.
Final Fantasy 1 is the best one and the one with the most soul.
IX has the most soul, that is not even debatable
>Always in best final fantasy lists
>Underrated
The only FF games that are underrated are 1, 2, 8, and 10-2.
>Always in best final fantasy lists
post 7 lists where it makes the top half of the list
I enjoyed IV more than V. A job system gives me too many options. I get overwhelmed trying to think of the ideal party for every encounter. Much to stressful. For Neoexdeath I just mimed Dualcasting Bahamut anyway.
Do FFVgays have brain damage?
How do I git gud at FFT? I suck at SRPG
I don't remember much, but just keep earning job points by doing any action even when you can't attack, throw a rock or do a shitty skill, it always helps. Attack from behind, exploit buffs, get a time mage asap and use haste as much as possible
The older I get the more I realize FF6, while having a great presentation, has kind of shit gameplay. The magicite system is very barebones, it's like they added it at the last minute. FF4 has no party building mechanics to speak of.
Meanwhile 5 has a fantastic job system, picked it up a deeply flawed system from 3 and perfected it, making that game extremely replayable. To me it has the best gameplay as far as the classics go.
The fact that the game wasn't released in the west when it should really affected how people viewed this game.
5 is significantly better designed than 6 combat wise, but 6 still has a good deal of fun combinations between relics and magicite and playable characters with different jobs. The biggest problem with 6 combat is that a lot of job skills are just automatic, the few that aren't are very lopsided like Edgar's tools are so ludicrously strong you won't touch anything on his kit. Outside combag I will say 6 has really nice level design, each dungeon feels unique.
Gilgamesh stole the fricking show in this game, man.
>Zounds! This is no beast! It's simply Butz!
Kawazu, the guy who created SaGa, was also involved in FF2 but his favorite FF is 5
In other words phenomenal taste
final fantasy v is themost final fantasy game of all of them
everything from vii and onwards shouldve been it's own spinoff series separated from the originals
>Best story
L
>Best cast
M
>Best villain
A
>Best music
O
I never knew that if you finish the final battle with party members down they actually die, kinda wild.