Yes, digital extremes warframe devs are partially owned by a fricking catering company so they have extravagant dhit to eat in their offices for the higher ups
>"NOOOOOOO PEOPLE SHOULD JUST SPEND HUNDREDS OF HOURS MAKING THINGS FOR FREE!!!!"
yes
art and entertainment are only good when it's something the creator would be willing to do for free
otherwise it's just soulless slop, i.e. the entire AAA games industry
Maybe you shouldn't have tried your hand at being a greedy lawyer with all of these EULAs. If you just let people keep the games they purchased, then piracy wouldn't even be an issue. But no, you decide at random that people aren't allowed to enjoy their own purchased products anymore because you convenient changed them into services.
Ironically enough, piracy is a service issue, so you get what you deserve.
>piracy is a service issue
Yep
See netflix and its boom with online streaming at cheap prices
But now look at how bloated it all is that you need to pay $50 a month or more for all these various streaming services
It is theft. You're stealing IP. If you were writing a book and lets say it's saved on google drive or something, someone hacks your account, steals your writings and publishes, it becomes the most popular shit ever written in history. I doubt you'd be saying "is okay bro it's not even theft lul"
Is he taking credit for writing it? No, just redistributing it? I get free marketing for my book and it becomes the most popular shit ever, and I'm supposed to be mad?
They still own the IP homie
And pirates ain't publishing it
Nor claiming they own the IP
Your example is shit, and would be on level of someone stealing blueprints for car and redistributing them, or a game that isn't even finished nor anyone knows about.
Proper example would be that you have published a book that is only digital and someone shares it without giving you money. If you have it physical, some people might be more interested.
Also piracy adds to sales, anti-piracy shit has always, ALWAYS been capitalistic corporate propaganda.
You are actively, knowingly, and for free, defending multi-million corporations and their shareholders. Seriously think about it.
You are defending shareholders and millionares. Desperately, actively, and getting angry when the line doesn't go up for them when anonymoo pirates a game. You are acting like the corporation is your culture, religion, and/or nationality.
copyright is worse than patents because patents actually expire in your lifetime
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It is theft. You're stealing IP. If you were writing a book and lets say it's saved on google drive or something, someone hacks your account, steals your writings and publishes, it becomes the most popular shit ever written in history. I doubt you'd be saying "is okay bro it's not even theft lul"
>it's saved on google drive or something, someone hacks your account,
skill issue
>YOU THIEF, I PATENTED THOSE SEEDS, YOU'RE STEALING FROM ME
Didn't murica have this kind of stuff with corn and big corporations suing small farmers because their patented corn seeds spread on their land without their permission etc. Or maybe it was some other veggie.
You're thinking of Monsanto, and it's even worse than you think. They would "accidentally" let some of their patented seeds fall into neighboring farms, then sue the farmers for all their worth when it's time for harvest. I think one guy was able to successfully countersue them.
Wrong. Theft is a matter of social consensus and if ownership of a product is so precarious as to distrupt that consensus, then taking it is not theft.
Really weird how throughout history, mankind paid for stage shows, live concerts, alcohol at the local bar/pub, movie theater screenings, access to theme parks, and countless other ephemeral experiences, and it was assumed that unless the service was awful you weren't getting your money back. But video games? Nah, I need to OWN this experience and the ability to repeat it again and again and again. Oh, and I should also be able to mod it however I want and then upload it for millions of others to have free access to.
Maybe gamers were the entitled babies after all.
>"NOOOOOOO PEOPLE SHOULD JUST SPEND HUNDREDS OF HOURS MAKING THINGS FOR FREE!!!!"
Something tells me you have an incredibly useless job.
>be me >make passion project >time is money, and i put thousands of hours into my passion project. >put it up for 20 dolla- >according to pirates on Ganker, it should be free >never make another passion project again because it takes entirely too much time to do that for free AND work a job to keep myself alive >pirates on Ganker complain about the lack of good games
why are they like this?
if its worth your time to play, its worth your money.
if its not worth your time to play, its not even worth the time to pirate.
this completely kills the piracy argument. >inb4 buh muh demooooo
all you need is 30 seconds of gameplay.
maybe if you five morons start making GOOD games then people will start buying them mhm?
>70 dollars for the game and 100 dollars for DLCs >Plus you have to be online even if you play single player games >Plus you need extra space at your PC/console for the updates you need >The corporations can ban you for saying "mean words", therefore losing all your money you've spent on their games
>>The corporations can ban you for saying "mean words", therefore losing all your money you've spent on their games
no need, they can just shut down authentication servers and go pic related
i am entitled to luxuries just for existing because these private companies are funded by public tax dollars in the form of grants, loans, tax breaks and other financial incentives provided to them by the government. Every thing from the community college education the majority of their workers have to ability to outsource or import slave immigrant labor is a result of government action which is funded by my tax dollars.
Really weird how throughout history, mankind paid for stage shows, live concerts, alcohol at the local bar/pub, movie theater screenings, access to theme parks, and countless other ephemeral experiences, and it was assumed that unless the service was awful you weren't getting your money back. But video games? Nah, I need to OWN this experience and the ability to repeat it again and again and again. Oh, and I should also be able to mod it however I want and then upload it for millions of others to have free access to.
Pirating was never stealing. The unethical part of that equation was always selling something that can be copied infinitely as though it still exists in an environment where supply is limited. Piracy is balancing the scales to reflect reality.
Same can be said for movies, art, manga, comics, books, music, performances, card games, and now with 3D printers, even board games and a variety of small hardware. At what point do you stop and consider any of this?
I pirate movies. I also buy them if I like them.
Real art is physical. I'm fine pirating digital art. Manga is physical. But I read it online (pirate).
I pirate books, but buy the ones I like.
I pirate music, and buy the kind I like.
Real performances can't really be pirated.
Card games can be plagiarized.
3D printing is fine.
I consider all of it. I don't have any issue with information being free. If your "product" is being copied ad infinitum, it possesses as much real value as a customer is willing to pay for it. If I'm not willing to pay for it they were never going to get my money. The effect on their bottom line is 0.
Ok, but how would you have felt? The response is important because you appear to be too stupid to grasp the concept of intangible losses.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The concept is horse shit. The number can be anything, even 0. There's no point making a distinction if it can't be realistically estimated and the perpetrators can't be realistically punished.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The fact that there is argument around trying to estimate loss gives merit to the fact that producers and publishers are in fact, making some undefined amount less that is still greater than zero because of piracy.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not my problem. They're welcome to become a farmer. They're not entitled to earn infinite money with their infinite copies. They're entitled to earn nothing. You know it's not my fault they expect my money. They should have predicted that they would need to make a good game to earn my money.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is such a fricking lame argument. What if the farmer makes bad produce, they should have predicted that they would need to have a good crop to earn your money. Stupid fricking homosexual, just say you're poor and move on.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>What if the farmer makes bad produce, they should have predicted that they would need to have a good crop to earn your money.
...Yes.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Okay, so by that argument, you wouldn't buy bad produce or games, so then you would buy good produce and games? At which point, why even waste your time pirating bad games? The only other outcome is you pirating good games, at which point, stop playing mental gymnastics and just say you like getting things for free.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I buy games I like, moron. I want to see more games like them. It's not complicated. Your entire argument is "ur poor". I'm certainly smart enough with my money to avoid flushing it down the fricking toilet for no reason.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's all fine then, sorry for assuming otherwise.
If you put homosexual shit in your game I'll just steal it instead.
>I'll play a game with homosexual shit in it, but only if I didn't pay for it!
How about having some standards?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
is this real? Why would you want to play homosexualry in the first place?
Just steal it and mod it out.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'd steal it and warn my friends if the gameplay is shit
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
how do you know they are bad ? how do you know they are good ? by pirating i know if the produce is good or not, good produce get money, bad produce get the boot, simple as
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
By having a modicum of critical thinking and patter detection. Could you even actually verbalize what you like and don't like in a video game or do you strictly rely on your emotions as you play them to tell you how you feel?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>By having a modicum of critical thinking and patter detection.
Deus EX Human revolution would have flew under your radar when it was teased if you only relied on that, that is if you like RPG games, personnaly i know what i want but there's time i want to try something new, now the big problem with relying on other people critiria is they are not mine, so if i don't have any feedback from different people (not journos since they are always paid to give good rating) i have to play the game to figure it out, either at a friend house (which end up doing the same thing as if i pirated it) or by pirating it and trying it out myself.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
While I admit that those are all good points, especially borrowing or playing someone else's copy, I'm honestly so overloaded with games I've been meaning to get to that I wouldn't care if a few do slip under my notice to begin with. But I totally see how that matters for other people who are having trouble finding things that they like. Good sense all around, thanks.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
proven wrong by study funded by EU.
the "argument" around trying to estimate loss is based on fantasy of "rights holders" that if i download a file 1000 times, they were guaranteed me buying the file 1000 times if i wasn't able to download it for free. and it's a convenient cope to blame pirates when your product sucks and underperforms sales expectations.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
a study that they promptly ignored and never published cause it wasn't what they wanted to hear lol
literally never
intellectual property is a israeli invention with the sole purpose of profiting from passion
I WILL pirate everything I want
you CANNOT stop me
You must be moronic if you think I never buy games. I only buy good games. Since publishers are fricking allergic to releasing demos because they don't have any faith in their game piracy is the only way for people to know if they're going to get fricked by a shitty game that's not worth the price.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Imagine being so moronic that you've gone 18+ years not being able to make appropriate assessments based on your own criteria and off of a cursory glance at a game. How fricking self-unaware are you that you can't see a few screeshots and 30 seconds of gameplay and determine if it's a game you'd be interested in or not? You are dumb as shit.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you should take risks with your money!
Frick that, and frick you.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wow, you really are moronic if that was your take away. I never risk my money because I already know if I'll like the game or not. You're a piece of shit hylic with so little fricking introspection that I'd rather spend a month in completely solitude than to suffer another minute of entertaining your absolutely batshit insane mindset.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't give a plagued rat's ass about how you feel. I'm not obligated to finance their shitty financial decisions by paying for the bad game they made.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
YOU WOULDN'T PAY FOR A BAD GAME IF A SINGLE BONE IN YOUR BODY WAS CAPABLE OF DETECTING WHAT A BAD GAME LOOKS LIKE AHEAD OF TIME, YOU FRICKING INVALID
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
no shit, that's why I pirate them
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Cruise control? What is this, 2006? My method for detecting bad games is 100% accurate. My methods don't affect you at all, and here you are:
fricking kvetching
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wasn't even talking to you lmao My beef was with this little moron
no shit, that's why I pirate them
who has zero sense of identifying quality. I hate that I share a board with people that stupid
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So if I wouldn't pay for the bad game that I recognized ahead of time as being bad, then there's zero loss for the devs when I pirate them.
Thanks for justifying piracy!
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I play bad games on purpose to own anons on Ganker
Christ, a mealworm has more purpose living than you do
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
why would you WANT to play the bad game in the first place? >yeah bro i know its shit and it tastes bad, but i still eat it
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>why would you WANT to play the bad game in the first place?
Because it's free and I can give my own opinion and how exactly it's bad.
>"NOOOOOOO PEOPLE SHOULD JUST SPEND HUNDREDS OF HOURS MAKING THINGS FOR FREE!!!!"
yes
art and entertainment are only good when it's something the creator would be willing to do for free
otherwise it's just soulless slop, i.e. the entire AAA games industry
This is beyond idiotic. I'm sure you maybe you have 1 or 2 indie games at the front of your mind you are using to justify this fricking stupid statement, but 99.99999% of games you love were made by underpaid sweatshop workers for a paycheck.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
a paycheck they already GOT, moron
I don't give a shit if Schlomo Shekelstein gets to buy his 5th yacht, that's his problem
You only say that because you never created anything yourself. Humans still need to eat you know and no everybody has rich parents to take of them while they pursue their projects. I really doubt any of your favorite games had zero profit on them
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
or maybe you should get a job while working on your game, nobody is asking you to finish it in 5 days only AAA slaves get to have soul crushing gamedev experience, not indies
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not even fricking Doom would exist if you actually did this.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
imagine bringing up doom when the biggest reason it is so big is due to the bootleg copies being distributed into every household with a pc instead of people buying the game
>are youtube views lost sales since they would buy the game if they couldn't watch it on youtube?
Yes. Only authorized showings of gameplay are allowed
but the streamers themselves don't have authorization excluding early access.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>but the streamers themselves don't have authorization excluding early access.
Copyright strike them as a publisher
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're only really making an argument for why id shouldn't have made Doom in the first place, considering they were dumb enough to expect people to pay them.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
that would be up to id to decide if they made a mistake. but clearly, rampant piracy at worst didn't effect the game's success as it's cemented as a classic that is played to this day, and arguably made it more popular than it would've been otherwise.
It is admittedly a bit funny when "but pirating will make games more well-known" comes up, because it's essentially jusf justifying anyone who has ever tried to pay anyone in exposure.
in many places, especially in the past, pirating is the only way to get access to media. and nobody says pirates are "paying" the devs by exposure. but more access = more exposure = more overall sales. in a way it's the opposite, pirates can be shilling for free if you have a good product
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Do you want a soulful game or not? Cause you aint getting it when the creator only has a hour a day if they are lucky to work on it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
AAA studios pay their employees every week, frickwit
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You only say that because you never created anything yourself.
most IPs belong to entities that didn't create the work in the first place.
Youtube was ruined by ad revenue.
Art was ruined by Patreon/Fanbox/etc.
Vidya was ruined by the AAA industry.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Art was ruined by Patreon/Fanbox/etc.
do you mean Improved.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>artists hiding their works behind paywalls instead of displaying them proudly >artists chasing trends for $$$ instead of drawing what they want >morons with no skills flooding art sites with shitty stolen/traced porn with [insert popular character]'s face pasted on to shill their patreons >all of this worsening significantly due to the flood of low effort AI slop
Of course it's gotten worse you tasteless Black person
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>artists hiding their works behind paywalls instead of displaying them proudly
this filters autistic poorgays like you >artists chasing trends for $$$ instead of drawing what they want
this filters autistic poorgays like you >morons with no skills flooding art sites with shitty stolen/traced porn with [insert popular character]'s face pasted on to shill their patreons
skill issue you autistic poorgay >all of this worsening significantly due to the flood of low effort AI slop
not my problem, AI at the other hand. >...
Of course you're an autist with zero skill.
Humanity has always existed on everyone doing something to contribute, even if those contributions aren't tangibly comparable. That's why money exists as a middleman so we don't have to barter if someone spending five minutes collecting eggs is worth the same value as someone spending ten months chiselling a marble statue.
you're paying for the work that the devs put into the product.
suppose you hire a contractor to do some housework and provide them with the materials and tools needed for the job.
do you still pay that contractor?
I wouldn't pay any contractor who said they could rip up my floor 10 years later because he doesn't like me now, or because I said a word he doesn't like, or because his boss said I'm no longer entitled to that work, or because he's going out of business.
Your analogy doesn't hold up. The "contractor" is actually a magician that summons clones of himself to perform the work on an infinite number of houses. If I could conjure up a phantom version of a contractor to do the exact same work the contractor performs without needing to pay anyone, why wouldn't I? Don't attempt to dismiss the nature of what is being discussed.
and tell me, where are you getting YOUR phantom version of the contractor from?
you didnt make him yourself, or teach him how to do the contract work you want.
From thin fricking air just like the magician. You're not the one that decides the value of your product. You can only decide the PRICE. The customers decide the VALUE. You can attempt to prevent people from receiving your product for how much they value it, but since you've been capitalizing on the extremely easy and convenient method of copying it digitally you need to concede that everyone else can use that method as well. If you don't like people stealing your shit then figure out how to make something that can't be stolen.
>you didnt make him yourself
the contractor was made by some other people, these same other people that decide when the contractor is not able to work anymore because .... because they decided so, the same people that doesn't see me as someone who want that contractor or need because highter ups wearing fancier suits than them doing shareholding decided that the contractor was outdated and has to stop existing.
so yeah, i'm going to keep that phantom contractor, thanks for teaching him all the stuff btw
Pirating is stealing goods and keeping them or selling them. It involves bootlegging and counterfeiting.
Is a digital copy a counterfeit? No and yes? Technically it isn't.
What about a movie rip? Maybe you download a lower quality version that isn't 60GB. Is it a counterfeit? Yes, but you know it's not a Blu-ray disc. Its lower quality so doesn't that leave incentive to buy a hard copy for the higher quality sound and picture? But then they would say "well why didn't you just buy the digital copy?". Why? If it's streamed at me at a lower quality than the hard copy. You are selling me your own counterfeit of your own film and telling me I did the bad the thing. The torrent uploadern is Born profiting off the counterfeit yet the studio is.
Really weird how throughout history, mankind paid for stage shows, live concerts, alcohol at the local bar/pub, movie theater screenings, access to theme parks, and countless other ephemeral experiences, and it was assumed that unless the service was awful you weren't getting your money back. But video games? Nah, I need to OWN this experience and the ability to repeat it again and again and again. Oh, and I should also be able to mod it however I want and then upload it for millions of others to have free access to.
History also had recorded mediums/media such as art/books/records/etc. There was never a EULA on ancient manuscripts that they could be rescinded at any time if the original creator got bought out by a new publisher or the license expired
>Really weird how throughout history, mankind paid for stage shows, live concerts, alcohol at the local bar/pub, movie theater screenings, access to theme parks, and countless other ephemeral experiences, and it was assumed that unless the service was awful you weren't getting your money back. But music records? Nah, I need to OWN this experience and the ability to repeat it again and again and again in my record player.
>Really weird how throughout history, mankind paid for stage shows, live concerts, alcohol at the local bar/pub, movie theater screenings, access to theme parks, and countless other ephemeral experiences
This was before they blasted our countries with countless immigrants
>mankind paid for stage shows
Stage shows used to be entirely public. >live concerts
Paying for tickets is a relatively new invention and even today many concerts are completely free of charge. >alcohol at the local bar/pub
Moonshine. >movie theater screenings
Same shit as video games. >access to theme parks
You're paying for something that has an active, running cost. >and countless other ephemeral experiences
That's not what "ephemeral experience" means, but if you want to use it that way you might as well list the consumption of food.
what are >board games >toys >books >record/music discs >paintings/art >ect.ect.
now go suck your corpo master's dick and you might get 0.0000000001 memecoin
Throughout most of history all of the things you listed were also free and done because people enjoyed it and had passion and close-knit communities instead of being lorded over by greedy israeli corporations; in fact when the israelites tried to lord over people back then they were killed or expelled for it, hundreds of times.
and most of those things were paid by the aristocrats in an attempt to imitate religious ceremonies but with their own taste
artists were either religious (pagan or urban) or paid by richgays.
the next stage (assuming no Ai) would be making memes "state approved" then in 500 years you would find simps crying out that you shouldn't "pirate" memes.
It's all greed
>But video games? Nah, I need to OWN this experience and the ability to repeat it again and again and again. Oh, and I should also be able to mod it however I want and then upload it for millions of others to have free access to.
Yes. Buying a soccer ball doesn't mean the company can take it away again because you said a naughty word.
Let's also just conveniently ignore the part where everything you purchase media-wise is all slowly being converted into these "live events" for no reason other than greed and control, and how piracy itself outside of actual theives correlates to shit services and obtuse national pricing models. Just as you homosexuals also did over paid mods and muh free gibs despite the observable negative effects it immediately had like the quantity-over-quality priority, stolen content and mod teams burning bridges left and right to the point where even Gaben caved.
You need a specific hardware for play videogames, and videogames are an individualist experience by design, except in Mario Kart or Smash with 4 players, the 99% of all videogames are designed for solo experiences.
You can watch stage shows, live concerts, the local bar/pub, movie theater screenings, access to theme parks with your parents, SO, friends or with random people, but most people really dislike videogames.
And "stage shows, live concerts, the local bar/pub, movie theater screenings, theme parks" not have propaganda about trans, They pronouns, same sex relations, Sweet Baby, etc, AND people who watch stage plays, etc never are portraited as fat, ugly, lonely.
>ayo whyte boi, gibs me dat gaem! >*sounds of Black person crime* >ayo what da fuq? where all dem gaems at? why whyte boi no make gaems any mo'???
why are Black folk like this?
The bigger question is why do pirategays on Ganker bother trying to justify their actions? Just emulate the game and be done with it, you never see this sort of moral posturing when it comes to pirating anime or movies
>be me >make passion project >time is money, and i put thousands of hours into my passion project. >put it up for 20 dolla- >according to pirates on Ganker, it should be free >never make another passion project again because it takes entirely too much time to do that for free AND work a job to keep myself alive >pirates on Ganker complain about the lack of good games
why are they like this?
The games industry is now more profitable than the movie industry, big developers are not panhandling on the streets because a few thousand people decided not to buy their already overpriced products
>make passion project >time is money, and i put thousands of hours into my passion project. >me not being moronic, i just do this on the side while keeping an other job >put it up for $20 >some people buy it >some don't >some say it's shit >some pirate >in the end i still published my project and now i want to make more and take lessons from it
maybe you should stop being a israelite or moronic or both
I know Ganker hates moral piracy, but it always feels nice to have a justification for doing something. Some people just like free stuff, and that's fine. me personally, if there's at least an attempt to compensate the devs, then piracy is justified. Sometimes the devs try to steal from the customer by rescinding the product for no reason. Like the license expires, so you don't get to watch this movie anymore, even though it was explicitly stated that you purchased it as a product and not a rental or a service, but they make a quick change to the EULA and you have no recourse, except piracy.
What are you supposed to do otherwise? Sit there and let them steal from you?
>Whole point of copyrigh is that titles enter public domain after a certain amount of time as it's worthless without government protection and the ability to make derivative works is their payment for timed exclusivity. >Game developers intentionally lose all means of reproducing the game before copyright expires so there's nothing that can enter the public domain.
if its worth your time to play, its worth your money.
if its not worth your time to play, its not even worth the time to pirate.
this completely kills the piracy argument. >inb4 buh muh demooooo
all you need is 30 seconds of gameplay.
Spend time enjoying game I paid for = 100% good.
Spend time not enjoying game but keeping my money = 100% good.
Spend time enjoying game I didn't pay for = 200% good.
I enjoy keeping my money. Don't like it? Make me fricking pay. You can't even find out who I am let alone force me to do anything. Your business plan was flawed from the start. You've been depending on and expecting the generosity of people this entire time. You were never entitled to it, nor did you ever deserve it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you put your time and passion into a project? >heh... you deserve ZERO compensation for it. go die in a ditch, reta- >NOOOOOO WHERE ARE ALL THE GOOD GAMES AT???
Black person tier behavior
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
see
or maybe you should get a job while working on your game, nobody is asking you to finish it in 5 days only AAA slaves get to have soul crushing gamedev experience, not indies
>make passion project >time is money, and i put thousands of hours into my passion project. >me not being moronic, i just do this on the side while keeping an other job >put it up for $20 >some people buy it >some don't >some say it's shit >some pirate >in the end i still published my project and now i want to make more and take lessons from it
maybe you should stop being a israelite or moronic or both
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
you fail to understand the sheer amount of time and skill that actually has to go into making a game.
the modern world already leaves you with little free time, if you're making anything with a scope larger than "small" then you simply wont be able to allocate the amount of time needed without a promise of return money or a group of people helping you (which unless its a group of friends, good luck getting them to help for free)
>gaming industry is more profitable than ever >every game that comes out is the same soulless corporate slop >this is somehow the pirate's fault
didn't think that one all the way through, did ya bud
so every single indie dev is actually a corporate plant?
sounds like you suffer from a bad case of "schizo" i recommend taking your meds.
Crying like a b***h isn't going to convince anyone to change their behavior. If you want my money then make a good game that I want to support. If you think you deserve my money because you made a bad game you can go frick yourself. You think you deserve to have all the power and all the risk should be placed on the shoulders of the customers. Frick off. Piracy puts the power back in the hands of the customer. You make a good game first and THEN you get paid. You don't get away with getting paid for a bad game.
yeah thats what i advocate, play the games you like and ignore the ones that you dont.
He is. He insists that everyone needs to pay for every game they play regardless of the quality of the game. The only definitive way to know if a game is worth the cost is by playing it first hand because taste is subjective. This isn't rocket science.
it takes nothing more than a few minutes on youtube to decide if you'll like it or not.
also we all know that you homosexuals dont actually buy the product after, why lie? you only fool yourself.
What passion? All AA and above gaming is done by corpo sweatshops that abuse that passion until it's spent like a squeezed-out lemon.
>indie doesnt exist
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Listen bud, I'm sure it's very upsetting that your quirky earthbound-inspired rpg with retro artstyle didn't sell very well, but maybe make a GOOD product next time and I'll consider giving you my money
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
why are you even playing games you dont like? thats what i dont understand.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>gaming industry is more profitable than ever >every game that comes out is the same soulless corporate slop >this is somehow the pirate's fault
didn't think that one all the way through, did ya bud
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Crying like a b***h isn't going to convince anyone to change their behavior. If you want my money then make a good game that I want to support. If you think you deserve my money because you made a bad game you can go frick yourself. You think you deserve to have all the power and all the risk should be placed on the shoulders of the customers. Frick off. Piracy puts the power back in the hands of the customer. You make a good game first and THEN you get paid. You don't get away with getting paid for a bad game.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>If you think you deserve my money because you made a bad game you can go frick yourself.
NOBODY is saying this, you ape
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
He is. He insists that everyone needs to pay for every game they play regardless of the quality of the game. The only definitive way to know if a game is worth the cost is by playing it first hand because taste is subjective. This isn't rocket science.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is true, but I'm not sure some anons are even capable of understanding subjectivity.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You don't get away with getting paid for a bad game.
But that's wrong
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
What passion? All AA and above gaming is done by corpo sweatshops that abuse that passion until it's spent like a squeezed-out lemon.
3 weeks ago
DoctorGreen
>you deserve ZERO compensation
the economy just works, yeah
100% true. If you bought the game and could do whatever you wanted with it including reselling it and retaining its use after the company goes bankrupt then it would be unethical to pirate it. But if you can't do those things then it is not only ethical but morally correct to pirate.
In first world countries we have these things called libraries. The idea is that the library buys a book, CDs, TV show, etc. once and then loans it out for free to any citizen for a week or so. That way anyone can enjoy the culture of reading. This notion is so antithetical to modern IP rights and digital storefronts yet is 100% legal. In any event, until there's a vidya library piracy is legal because according to ECL we do have the right to free media.
>yeah bro I get my games for free >no-o I’m not poor it’s just frick corpo- >hey bro where are you going
Try pirating without a VPN and no, third world shitholes don’t count
the big european piracy study showed that pirates are actually bigger consumers than normies, which is one of the main reasons why piracy doesn't actually hurt the industry.
>people who don't want to pay for your game will actually pay for your game if you remove the option to play it for free
do israelites actually believe this?
Yes, because it's objectively true. Pirates play more video games than you do, and they also buy more games than you do. Maybe read the actual study before making yourself look like a fricking moron next time.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>uhm ackshually pirates buy more games
lol
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>actually people who get shit for free pay more
Do people unironically believe this?
you have 2 kinds of pirates. 1st are poorgays that just don't buy games and you can't make them buy them because they are poor. 2nd are people who play lots of games and will buy them if they know they are worth the money, which they can find out by pirating.
damn frogBlack person, sounds like you've got it all figured out.
since its so easy why dont you completely recreate a game RIGHT NOW.
on your own.
typing out all the code yourself, making the models, sounds, and art.
you're not allowed to take the game's resources from anywhere or use the source code as reference.
you have until the thread archives.
>frogposter does all that >nintendo can still sue him to oblivion despite not stealing a single line of code from them
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>will buy them if they know they are worth the money, which they can find out by pirating. >demogay excuse
steam refunds had zero impact on piracy
its poorgays all the way down
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>steam refunds had zero impact on piracy
steam refunds is not intended to "demo" games. they literally lock your ability to refund if you refund too many times. they also don't release (because they literally don't have) statistics on piracy.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>steam refunds had zero impact on piracy
obviously? if person pirates and doesn't like the game, are you suggesting they should then buy it anyway just to refund it? and if the person pirates, likes and buys, why would they then refund it?
>which they can find out by pirating.
you can also find it out through a single fricking minute on youtube.
its not that hard.
if that's the case then what's the difference when a person makes their decision to buy or to not buy based on pirating compared to watching youtube video? are youtube views lost sales since they would buy the game if they couldn't watch it on youtube?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>are youtube views lost sales since they would buy the game if they couldn't watch it on youtube?
Yes. Only authorized showings of gameplay are allowed
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>which they can find out by pirating.
you can also find it out through a single fricking minute on youtube.
its not that hard.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
alright then, show us YOUR steam library
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I pirate dozens of games a year and still buy an average of 25 games per year on steam, not including games I buy on consoles.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>25 games per year
sounds like you might have shit taste then. show us a selection.
Ah so since the taxes aren't enough to pay for the buses, gas and wages, they should just be raising taxes for everyone instead of charging for a ticket. Thanks for the input anon
That doesn't fit into the analogy. If you chose to use a different form of transportation instead that would be like just buying a different game. That's not what's happening. You're still receiving the same service except you're not paying for it so piracy is like riding without a ticket and just buying games that are worth their price and not touching the ones that aren't is like car pooling.
I'm not paying anything for the games I download on there. I give zero dollars to the developers yet i play their games anyway. The amount of money I pay to microsoft does not make up for the amount of money I would have had to pay to developers for all the games I get for free on there.
Is watching netflix on someone else's account theft? why hasn't netflix ever had anyone arrested for it? Is riding my cousin's bicycle theft? Is borrowing a game from someone who paid for it theft? are streamers stealing from companies when they're given official early access keys without paying for them? your argument is moronic and you're moronic.
>Noooo, those are our 1s and 0s!!
Honestly in the past all we were paying for was their distribution system.
>I'm paying a quarter to rent time on the arcade game you assembled. >I'm paying for your proprietary hardware on your console and the cartridge the developer produced and shipped to stores. >I'm paying for this CD-ROM that took time and effort to press and the tech support I may need with it.
Today you can DL a 30GB game in 5 minutes. We're essentially tipping the game creators for their hard work. The "game", meaning the idea and the code, was never worth a penny and still isn't. If that wasn't true then all console games would have different prices based on their relevant market worth, but they don't (not at first anyway, stores can adjust prices based on sales).
If Halo and Mad Dash Racing both sit on the retail shelf for 59.99 then I'm NOT paying for the game itself at all. I'm paying a fixed price to own the DVD-ROM and packaging that the game companies produced and distributed (and subsidizing their licensing fees to Microsoft).
>just because you pay for it doesnt mean you own it >ok then i'll pirate it >b-but you cant do that >whats to stop me?
not directly quoting anyone but it really makes you think who is in charge when the israelites have to now put in precise wording on their products to scam us out of something that hasnt been an issue until now
damn frogBlack person, sounds like you've got it all figured out.
since its so easy why dont you completely recreate a game RIGHT NOW.
on your own.
typing out all the code yourself, making the models, sounds, and art.
you're not allowed to take the game's resources from anywhere or use the source code as reference.
you have until the thread archives.
>little 14 year old boy writes fanfiction for star wars, for free >Disney Gestapo break down his door >"but I'm not profiting off of-" his voice is cut off by a hailstorm of MP40 rounds riddling his chest >"MISSION COMPLETE MR IGER. THE ILLEGAL MODIFICATION OF YOUR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY HAS BEEN HALTED. BEGINNING TERMINATION OF ALL COPYRIGHT INFRINGING MATERIALS" >Disney(tm) brand McNuke(tm) is set off in the house, leveling every building within 5 miles >another IP thief has been dealt with
Nintendo just shuts down your game and nothing more. They'll only fine you if you do crap like leaking their games before their release or for making money by selling emulators for Nintendo consoles. Aka you ask for it.
Controllers should be able to recognize who is holding the controller. If it detects a new user, the console or PC should prompt you to login with your account and check for your license of the game.
Also if you are in the room with your friend while he is playing and you are only watching, cameras like Kinect or Playstation Eye should scan for people in the room and prompt the player to buy guest-licenses for every addtional person who is watching.
No, since the first half of the statement is entirely unrelated to the second half, since "pirating" (actual name: filesharing, don't let corpos dictate terminology) has never been stealing. Filesharing isn't stealing, not because buying isn't owning. Filesharing isn't stealing because filesharing is by definition not stealing. The fact buying doesn't grant you ownership anymore is merely another reason why it is moral to fileshare.
It is admittedly a bit funny when "but pirating will make games more well-known" comes up, because it's essentially jusf justifying anyone who has ever tried to pay anyone in exposure.
You're avoiding my question. You're acting like exposure is bad, but the alternative is a black hole. Exposure is worth a lot more than literally nothing. An unpaid internship wastes your time and labor. You're making a false equivalence.
. You're acting like exposure is bad, but the alternative is a black hole.
Both are privation. Both are bad. Your question poses these things as them being polarized opposites when they aren't anything at all.
If you want me to entertain it then no, I would rather have nothing over the word of mouth of Chris Chan.
the literally nothing in his example is literally nothing. someone who pirates your game was never going to buy it. in your example the "literally nothing" isn't literally nothing, as the person in question would likely have several clients offering actual paid jobs, not just one client offering "experience"
Speaking of paying someone in exposure, when the AI art topic comes up (as much as I hate AI art), a lot of artists come out of the woodwork and are suddenly ready to settle for exposure as payment.
Pirating is ALWAYS ethical.
Purchasing is SOMETIMES more ethical.
It's genuinely up to the experience the user has while pirating for them to justify purchasing it. Keep in in mind being a poorgay just wanting entertainment for free is not an excuse, but it's still better to pirate your games to spend money on bad games.
The industry did this to itself. People can't try before they buy legitimately anymore with proper demos unless they preorder for the beta test sort of shit. Everything is so scummy now that everyone in the industry deserves constant suspicion and proof that each and every single individual product is actually worth a purchase. And oh man, when a developer understands this and delivers, the word of mouth sales does tenfold more than any single influencer meme'ing a stream of the game ever could.
Pirate before you buy, but do buy if it's deserving to support the shit you enjoy so you can potentially see more of it being made.
let's be more specific
you didn't buy a physical disc copy of a game
you bought the license to access the game in a distribution system
and that is because game developers are specifically choosing not to create physical copies of their games anymore, distributors are working hard to keep it this way, and this is now the only means to legally acquire such game
I really doubt physical distrubution is a dev-level decision. Maybe for indies or AA, but for those it's understandable why they'd want to go with digital, since they don't have the major publisher media backing.
That license is a physical copy, moron. As long as I have that physical copy of my license, I am entitled to be able to use it. And like it or not, I am allowed to transfer that license to another person with nobody but me being paid for that transaction. ...Unless I run a game store as a business and then must pay taxes.
no it's frickin not
you are only entitled to access it on that distribution system
you have the license to use it on Steam, that's not the same as the license to use it on Epic Game store or Xbox Live
maybe the dev can give you something else, like the so called serial number/key that will entitle you to purchase a license to use it in the other distribution stores, but it's not the same thing as a physical copy
So explain to me the wrongdoing that has occurred. Didn't they paid? Or is that not enough, and they need to dictate how I enjoy my purchase?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, it's in their right to control how you are supposed to consume THEIR product
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because it's THEIR product
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Well, they can't really stop me from modifying it to my heart's content. What argument are they putting forth?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Well, they can't really stop me from modifying it to my heart's content
Yet
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
even if they could, what argument do they have to justify it being good for me? Look at denuvo, it makes the game worse for no reason other than for their gain. What do I get out of it?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>What do I get out of it?
Why do you think you should get ANYTHING out of it?
What a stupid question.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>why do you think you should get anything out of it
Because it's my money being put on the line? This isn't like some freemium game, they want 70 dollars plus tip, so every action they make should benefit me.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
there's literally nothing wrong, I pirate shit all the time
I'm just saying you didn't have a physical copy in the first place and you didn't buy a physical copy in the first place, what you are only able to actually buy is access to something similar in a distribution system
it's like if you bought a season pass to disneyland, but I figured out a way to duplicate disneyland in my backyard, so now I have my own disneyland. The season pass isn't actually disneyland, it's just a tool for accessing disneyland
>no it's frickin not >you are only entitled to access it on that distribution system >you have the license to use it on Steam, that's not the same as the license to use it on Epic Game store or Xbox Live
Thanks, but I only buy DRM free
>buy chair for my dining room >eventually go to move the chair somewhere else >stop right there criminal scum! you are not entitled to use outside the dining room
copying files on a computer will never ever be stealing no matter how much israelites kvetch or how harshly their goons punish people or their shills moralize.
PAYING FOR SOMETHING *isn’t” the same as owning something, and pirating *isn’t* stealing it’s pirating.
Imagine you hire a lawn mowing company and pay them on a regular basis to cut your lawn. Then one day they decide to shutdown or you decide to stop paying them and then you call the government and insist that the lawnmower they have is actually yours. That’s what this current campaign is.
Except in this case I paid them to move the cut grass off my lawn, but when they shut down, they dumped all of the mowed grass back onto my yard, making a mess.
Except in this case I paid them to move the cut grass off my lawn, but when they shut down, they dumped all of the mowed grass back onto my yard, making a mess.
The devs aren’t responsible for tidying up after your dorito infused gaming night
>Buy new car >have fun with it for 2 years >manufacturer comes along and shoves your car on a huge truck and takes it >"Your license expired. We've sent you an E-Mail a week ago. Didn't you read it?"
>when the music industry unironically tried to argue this about radios in cars, because passengers who weren't the car owner could listen to satellite radio when only the owner was paying
No, moron, that's not even remotely close to what that word means. How stupid and young are you to just flippantly use "schizo" as a catch-all derogatory term, as if you're a 90's kid calling everything "gay"? Absolutely nothing about either the music industry or the Netflix situation had anything to do with paranoia and everything with corporate greed trying to charge everyone full price everywhere. Pull your head out of your ass and learn what a word fricking means before parroting it.
pirating is stealing. why not steal from people you hate? you'd think since everyone in game dev is a commie troon, you'd think they'd agree with this.
Fair. The internet is no longer the wild west of old, it's now a fricking cold war with assassinations and back stabbings happening around every corner.
The crappy antivirus packed with Windows 10+ is usually enough to catch most things, but I get it. Anime's the only thing that's been easy to legally obtain for free lately.
Sounds like you're an unsupervised child on an iPad who recently heard the word for his first time from his pediatrician.
>download a couple games from tpb (repost from igg) >couple years later read about igg putting bad stuff in their uploads >scan computer relentlessly >backup only necessary file >wipe drives and do a clean install
i didn't find a damn thing. i'm 95% sure i was being paranoid but i'm using fitgirl from now on. i don't even pirate that often anyway.
Fair. The internet is no longer the wild west of old, it's now a fricking cold war with assassinations and back stabbings happening around every corner.
I think the last time I pirated something was Sonic Mania sometime after the Plus update so I could have the original version just for the sake of it.
Never touched it mind you, I just stuck to plus on my switch.
Yes and the only people arguing against fighting back on these big studios' bullshit is people from the big studios here desperately trying to change peoples' minds.
You dumb fricks want us to buy your games?! SELL THEM TO US you fricking dumb entitled buttholes!
This doesn't actually make any sense. It's completely arbitrary shit you made up to... feel better about yourself? You know you can just buy games because it's slightly less complicated than pirating right? You don't need to moralize like a fricking gay. Because I can promise you with 100% certainty. No one. Gives. A frick.
Piracy is important even if you buy your games. You should be able to make backups of your games so you can play them at a later date, should disaster befall your hardware.
if games had more demos (on PC at least) then pirates wouldn't have as strong legs to stand on and developers couldn't get away with making piles of dogshit as easily
In the case of real indie games, this is true. By definition, they have no publisher, so your money actually goes to the people responsible for making the product. In all other cases, the developers don't see a dime, and the publishers can just make the game you paid for unavailable whenever they want.
>In all other cases, the developers don't see a dime
In the case that the developers and publishers aren't one and the same, if you're buying something like Mario Kart then those funds are definitely being funneled back into development
No, because you don't need that first part.
Piracy is always ethical.
Save editing to give yourself store-only items or pre-order bonuses is also always ethical.
I think what people making these arguments about your stuff being taken back in every industry don’t understand that laws are just not the best way to protect the consumer, a free market is. Sure you can argue that things will never be perfect but things only get worse if you try to meddle, regulations necessarily increase prices and reduce market competition by making it harder for new business to enter against established entities that are more able to take hits. It also opens the door for tariffs and protectionism for which no argument for consumer benefit can be made and most regulations and antitrust suits are pushed for by corporations and not consumers. There is the strawman argument of a monopoly coming about but what about applying the same reasoning to increasing government power, can democracy really save you from government abuse, what if you are a minority against the majority and constitutions have proven themselves able to be edited into irrelevance, even if you think we are doomed in a free market there is no reason to think we aren’t doomed with big government and it is at best zero sum.
The real problem is that a free market only works if the people are smart.
If you look into those stop killing games threads the crux of their argument is ultimately that they think they shouldn't have to think about their purchases and that they should have the right to blindly consume which is absolutely ludicrous.
I tried to address this, if the market only works for smart consumers then government only works for smart voters, at the end of the day regulation is zero sum at best and can be attributed to a host more problems than free market capitalism. That is why global warming is so politically important, without a threat of catastrophe government is pretty much dead in the water in modern times.
What's sad is that you can have a game by and for heterosexuals without getting lambasted as a bigot. If life is only going to get worse as idiots torch everything good to the ground, I want to at least enjoy the fires.
A hobby that needs to exploit people by tricking them into buying a bad or faulty product in order to sustain itself does not deserve to exist. The gaming industry can thrive without all of that; history has proven that. It doesn't need to be the cancerous mess that it is right now. The hobby won't disappear. The industry surrounding it might.
>A hobby that needs to exploit people by tricking them into buying a bad or faulty product
if you were sold a lemon and don't return it that's on you. no one else.
>If I can test something to see if it's bad before buying it then that's on them.
a demo? or are you talking about using via illegal methods?
cause you sound like a thief anon.
>and don't return it
Cant because according to industry apologists and DRM-happy publishers, I dont own the lemon to return it in the first place, let alone resell it or mod it into lemonade
It's a good thing AAA is dying despte gaming is the only industry which forgives and even encourages this kind of bullshit
>I dont own the lemon to return it in the first place
that proof-of-sale says otherwise.
but let's just be honest here: you're a no-good thief. you're no different than the buttholes ransacking drug stores.
>can be "updated" at any time with bugs that render it completely unplayable, forced woke pandering or cancerous DRM >and you have no choice but to update it >cant refund it even when its no longer the product you wanted >Y-Y-YOU TOTALLY OWN IT!!!!
Come on you worthless ass apologists, even your massas have stopped pretending
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Congrats, you just figured out that owning a copy of the game isn't the same as owning the IP.
In any case none of what you said actually happens making it a moot point anyway.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>moves goalposts to muh IP
Every time. And you've proven my point again because "YOU DONT OWN THE IP!" can be used to yank your copy away from you even though you bought and legally "own" it. It's fricked how you're actively arguing against your own interests here >In any case none of what you said actually happens making it a moot point anyway
Exhibit A.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
way to out yourself as a exposed falseflagger
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>gets btfo with an actual example >F-F-FALSEFLAGGER!!!!
Kek. I've made my point but it's still nice to grind it into your skulls and see you writhe in pain as the brainwashing fails.
Exhibit B.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
2 0 1 7
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I-it happened years ago! Ignore the fact that it's fricked it has and can still happen at any time now!!! STOP FIGHTING IT HURTS!!!!
top kek.
Exhibit C.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
non-sequitur
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
omelette du fommage
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
way to out yourself as a exposed sockpuppeting slave.
>I dont own the lemon to return it in the first place
that proof-of-sale says otherwise.
but let's just be honest here: you're a no-good thief. you're no different than the buttholes ransacking drug stores.
>The gaming industry can thrive without all of that; history has proven that. It doesn't need to be the cancerous mess that it is right now. The hobby won't disappear. The industry surrounding it might.
Then take your own advice and vote with your wallet, that's the only way things will change.
Unfortunately it's more complex than that now. People who play video games are no longer the target customers of video games according to many, if not most, of the biggest studios and publishers right now. Customers are merely the means to reimburse the investment by investors. Games of that scale are not made using the profits of previous games like they used to be. Games are made to order by investors. Do you understand? Investors are the customers. They purchase the game before it's made. They're being financed by other industries like banking and real estate. They're operating at a net loss, but it doesn't really matter to them because video games are simply the vessel for the thing they're actually spending their money on: cultural saturation and control.
What you do with your wallet matters less and less as time goes by.
>Unfortunately it's more complex than that now
It's really not, in fact because AAA games are getting more and more expensive voting with your wallet is even more effective than it was 20 years ago. After all a game selling 2 million would be a massive success on PS2 while a game selling 2 million on PS5 is now a colossal flop.
The rest of your post simply shows an amazing amount of ignorance of the industry.
Your brain has become infested with idiotic idealism. Pirates have never done what they can.. they do what they must. It meant more about liberty and freedom than the likes of you will ever encounter.
>make checkerboard out of old table I found >make crude chess pieces from carved wood I found >have functional chess game >police barge into my house and shoot me dead for infringing on Arthur B. Chess-ter's copyright
Why is Ganker the only board that acts like piracy is controversial? Everybody else expects and enables it. It sometimes feels like Ganker isn't even part of Ganker anymore.
>Why is Ganker the only board that acts like piracy is controversial?
Because Ganker is the only board that openly defends piracy as a righteous act rather than what everyone else sees it as, just enjoying the product without paying for it and it's fricking annoying.
You don't see people on Ganker, Ganker, Ganker and so on constantly saying >NEVER BUY ALWAYS PIRATE IT'S UNFAIR THAT THEY OWN THEIR IPS!
no, on other boards they just fricking do it and if their avenues for piracy are shut down they just find or make new ones
>Because Ganker is just like us in this regard
No, not even close. Ganker, like everyone else, criticises the product and doesn't give a shit about the publisher or tries to justify their piracy.
It's only ever Ganker.
Prompt any of them to justify it and they will. Only on Ganker do people like you scream and shout for them to justify it. The answers would be the same no matter where you go or whom you ask.
You're seeing the results of israeli progamming that's been going on for the past 20 years. Zoomers are so afraid to think for themselves that they'll argue for corporations that see them as walking wallets to be emptied
can't wait for publishers to crack down on thieves. you'll all owe what the title cost at the time plus interest >statute of limitations
not in ongoing cases like this.
I have a job and I'm still not buying shit. If you want money, develop enterprise class software or get a real job you hack. Gamedev is a hobby and nothing more.
I justify it because I can and I'm right in a material and objective sense.
This should be the end of the discussion.
It is materially and objectively the case that piracy is not theft, you're arguing with reality at this point.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It is materially and objectively the case that piracy is not theft, you're arguing with reality at this point.
Dumbest shit I've ever read on Ganker. Not just Ganker.
>Piracy isn't theft.
you people really will say anything to justify stealing
You already said that lending your games to a friend counts as theft, since you've reduced potential sales from 2 to 1. So nobody will take you seriously.
>Make and endless reusable commodity like out of some Star Trek fantasy >Thinking people aren't going to replicate and share it >Being mad that people aren't paying you to replicate and share this free endless technology
Come on now, no one is this stupid, right?
>buyers remorse made me more conscious of my purchases >pirategays can’t tell a good game from a bad one because it’s all the same >this explains Ganker terrible taste in video games
I will never understand how someone can think they're part of the solution by stealing shit that isn't theirs.
>behaving like third worlders is "Based" in the eyes of Ganker
If you can afford a PC, you can afford to pay for games
I don’t care how smug you act, you are a literal shitskin tier parasite and I resent that you share this hobby with me
If I bought a game, I will pirate it and strip the devs of control over it.
You've got that backwards >buygays' buyers remorse makes them want to believe the game they bought was good, otherwise they'd regret it >piratechads, being able to play anything and everything for free, don't experience this phenomenon and can thus rate games more fairly
i think besides arguing over pedantic terms, it boils down to simple ethics. people spend time and effort to produce goods and expect to exchange it for value. that's all there is to it
If you can afford a PC, you can afford to pay for games
I don’t care how smug you act, you are a literal shitskin tier parasite and I resent that you share this hobby with me
Yes
wouldn't it be the publishers/executives fault?
the devs have nothing to do with how the game is being distributed
No. It's cope parroted by subhuman sheep who think they're entitled to entertainment luxuries just for existing.
But enough about Bethesda studios and their personal on site chef.
>personal on site chef.
Real?
Yes, digital extremes warframe devs are partially owned by a fricking catering company so they have extravagant dhit to eat in their offices for the higher ups
Yes. We have actual shills on this board.
You can already tell when they post because they only use frogs, wojaks and chads on the OP.
i am so glad i never take this site this seriously. what sort of mental illness drives someone to background check fricking images you see on Ganker?
The same kind of people who can't use proper grammar or punctuation I imagine.
They're both the kind of homosexuals that are easy to hate.
>The same kind of people who can't use proper grammar or punctuation I imagine.
lmao what kind of cope is this
>he misused a semi-colon reeeeeee
not an argument
Literally why would anyone argue with a lying, thieving, murdering israelite? Go die in an oven homosexual.
you're right, you didn't make one to begin with 😉
cute strawman, little guy
>using the other side's argument word by word
>not an argument
hahah, I still win
This is cope parroted by subhuman sheep who think they're entitled to owning property after selling it
Yeah haha I'm happy owning nothing haha haha
Maybe you shouldn't have tried your hand at being a greedy lawyer with all of these EULAs. If you just let people keep the games they purchased, then piracy wouldn't even be an issue. But no, you decide at random that people aren't allowed to enjoy their own purchased products anymore because you convenient changed them into services.
Ironically enough, piracy is a service issue, so you get what you deserve.
>piracy is a service issue
Yep
See netflix and its boom with online streaming at cheap prices
But now look at how bloated it all is that you need to pay $50 a month or more for all these various streaming services
This. Unironically based.
Why don't pirates just admit to stealing and be chads about it?
Because piracy is not stealing
I refuse to let corporations re-write the dictionary.
>are you growing an apple without my consent?
>YOU THIEF, I PATENTED THOSE SEEDS, YOU'RE STEALING FROM ME
It is theft. You're stealing IP. If you were writing a book and lets say it's saved on google drive or something, someone hacks your account, steals your writings and publishes, it becomes the most popular shit ever written in history. I doubt you'd be saying "is okay bro it's not even theft lul"
Nobody is reselling these games. Next argument
Is he taking credit for writing it? No, just redistributing it? I get free marketing for my book and it becomes the most popular shit ever, and I'm supposed to be mad?
They still own the IP homie
And pirates ain't publishing it
Nor claiming they own the IP
Your example is shit, and would be on level of someone stealing blueprints for car and redistributing them, or a game that isn't even finished nor anyone knows about.
Proper example would be that you have published a book that is only digital and someone shares it without giving you money. If you have it physical, some people might be more interested.
Also piracy adds to sales, anti-piracy shit has always, ALWAYS been capitalistic corporate propaganda.
You are actively, knowingly, and for free, defending multi-million corporations and their shareholders. Seriously think about it.
You are defending shareholders and millionares. Desperately, actively, and getting angry when the line doesn't go up for them when anonymoo pirates a game. You are acting like the corporation is your culture, religion, and/or nationality.
Come on homie.
copyright is worse than patents because patents actually expire in your lifetime
>it's saved on google drive or something, someone hacks your account,
skill issue
>copyright
Frick Disney tbh, who the frick needs the rights for something for longer than they'll be alive?
>YOU THIEF, I PATENTED THOSE SEEDS, YOU'RE STEALING FROM ME
Didn't murica have this kind of stuff with corn and big corporations suing small farmers because their patented corn seeds spread on their land without their permission etc. Or maybe it was some other veggie.
You're thinking of Monsanto, and it's even worse than you think. They would "accidentally" let some of their patented seeds fall into neighboring farms, then sue the farmers for all their worth when it's time for harvest. I think one guy was able to successfully countersue them.
Wrong. Theft is a matter of social consensus and if ownership of a product is so precarious as to distrupt that consensus, then taking it is not theft.
I'm not entitled to it. I'm just going to take it anyway.
seething thirdies in the replies
maybe if you five morons start making GOOD games then people will start buying them mhm?
>pay $70+ for (product)
>"UHHM, YOU THINK YOU GET TO HAVE (PRODUCT)? WHY? JUST BECAUSE YOU EXIST, YOU LAZY PARASITE??"
post nose
>70 dollars for the game and 100 dollars for DLCs
>Plus you have to be online even if you play single player games
>Plus you need extra space at your PC/console for the updates you need
>The corporations can ban you for saying "mean words", therefore losing all your money you've spent on their games
The company doesn't even need a reason to ban you. They can just decide to revoke your game for no reason.
Actually it implies piracy is breaking and entering which is a much worse crime
>>The corporations can ban you for saying "mean words", therefore losing all your money you've spent on their games
no need, they can just shut down authentication servers and go pic related
Shut up ungrateful troony LOL crawl back to starbucks
t. fentanyl thieves.
Skillful bait.
Or the fish have really just become that gullible in recent years.
i am entitled to luxuries just for existing because these private companies are funded by public tax dollars in the form of grants, loans, tax breaks and other financial incentives provided to them by the government. Every thing from the community college education the majority of their workers have to ability to outsource or import slave immigrant labor is a result of government action which is funded by my tax dollars.
I am entitled to it. In fact I'm entitled to anything I want to be entitled to, because I make my own rules and you literally cannot stop me.
But it true though.
I will take your shit for free and you will never be a woman.
Entertainment luxury is the term that sold the bait. Well done so far. See ya next time, Yama.
Agreed.
If you didn't pay for it.
You have no right to it.
If you didn't work for it.
You don't deserve enjoyment.
This is like jerking off. Pleasure without the work of courting a woman and dating her.
Only man children do not desire to work for pleasure.
>bragging about your slave status
Unironically this. I hate poorshits so much it's unreal. If you want entertainment, work for it. Fricking parasites.
okay but how does piracy affect you personally?
>No. It's cope parroted by subhuman sheep who think they're entitled to entertainment luxuries just for existing.
i fricking kneel anon
>coomer simp it's also a israeli wienersucker
I laughed hard.
If buying isn't owning, then isn't "luxury" either, by definition.
fpbp
>it's cope
What's that I can't hear you over my free single player video games
Pirating was never stealing. The unethical part of that equation was always selling something that can be copied infinitely as though it still exists in an environment where supply is limited. Piracy is balancing the scales to reflect reality.
Same can be said for movies, art, manga, comics, books, music, performances, card games, and now with 3D printers, even board games and a variety of small hardware. At what point do you stop and consider any of this?
I pirate movies. I also buy them if I like them.
Real art is physical. I'm fine pirating digital art. Manga is physical. But I read it online (pirate).
I pirate books, but buy the ones I like.
I pirate music, and buy the kind I like.
Real performances can't really be pirated.
Card games can be plagiarized.
3D printing is fine.
I consider all of it. I don't have any issue with information being free. If your "product" is being copied ad infinitum, it possesses as much real value as a customer is willing to pay for it. If I'm not willing to pay for it they were never going to get my money. The effect on their bottom line is 0.
A crime requires a victim.
How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast yesterday?
Repeating a meme isn't a sufficient surrogate for an argument.
Ok, but how would you have felt? The response is important because you appear to be too stupid to grasp the concept of intangible losses.
The concept is horse shit. The number can be anything, even 0. There's no point making a distinction if it can't be realistically estimated and the perpetrators can't be realistically punished.
The fact that there is argument around trying to estimate loss gives merit to the fact that producers and publishers are in fact, making some undefined amount less that is still greater than zero because of piracy.
Not my problem. They're welcome to become a farmer. They're not entitled to earn infinite money with their infinite copies. They're entitled to earn nothing. You know it's not my fault they expect my money. They should have predicted that they would need to make a good game to earn my money.
This is such a fricking lame argument. What if the farmer makes bad produce, they should have predicted that they would need to have a good crop to earn your money. Stupid fricking homosexual, just say you're poor and move on.
>What if the farmer makes bad produce, they should have predicted that they would need to have a good crop to earn your money.
...Yes.
Okay, so by that argument, you wouldn't buy bad produce or games, so then you would buy good produce and games? At which point, why even waste your time pirating bad games? The only other outcome is you pirating good games, at which point, stop playing mental gymnastics and just say you like getting things for free.
I buy games I like, moron. I want to see more games like them. It's not complicated. Your entire argument is "ur poor". I'm certainly smart enough with my money to avoid flushing it down the fricking toilet for no reason.
That's all fine then, sorry for assuming otherwise.
>I'll play a game with homosexual shit in it, but only if I didn't pay for it!
How about having some standards?
Just steal it and mod it out.
I'd steal it and warn my friends if the gameplay is shit
how do you know they are bad ? how do you know they are good ? by pirating i know if the produce is good or not, good produce get money, bad produce get the boot, simple as
By having a modicum of critical thinking and patter detection. Could you even actually verbalize what you like and don't like in a video game or do you strictly rely on your emotions as you play them to tell you how you feel?
>By having a modicum of critical thinking and patter detection.
Deus EX Human revolution would have flew under your radar when it was teased if you only relied on that, that is if you like RPG games, personnaly i know what i want but there's time i want to try something new, now the big problem with relying on other people critiria is they are not mine, so if i don't have any feedback from different people (not journos since they are always paid to give good rating) i have to play the game to figure it out, either at a friend house (which end up doing the same thing as if i pirated it) or by pirating it and trying it out myself.
While I admit that those are all good points, especially borrowing or playing someone else's copy, I'm honestly so overloaded with games I've been meaning to get to that I wouldn't care if a few do slip under my notice to begin with. But I totally see how that matters for other people who are having trouble finding things that they like. Good sense all around, thanks.
proven wrong by study funded by EU.
the "argument" around trying to estimate loss is based on fantasy of "rights holders" that if i download a file 1000 times, they were guaranteed me buying the file 1000 times if i wasn't able to download it for free. and it's a convenient cope to blame pirates when your product sucks and underperforms sales expectations.
a study that they promptly ignored and never published cause it wasn't what they wanted to hear lol
>A crime requires a victim.
liberals (israelites) strongly disagree with this sentiment.
literally never
intellectual property is a israeli invention with the sole purpose of profiting from passion
I WILL pirate everything I want
you CANNOT stop me
>"NOOOOOOO PEOPLE SHOULD JUST SPEND HUNDREDS OF HOURS MAKING THINGS FOR FREE!!!!"
Something tells me you have an incredibly useless job.
You're assuming the industry they're involved with deserved to continue existing. They don't need to make anything.
Then why are you even on this board?
You must be moronic if you think I never buy games. I only buy good games. Since publishers are fricking allergic to releasing demos because they don't have any faith in their game piracy is the only way for people to know if they're going to get fricked by a shitty game that's not worth the price.
Imagine being so moronic that you've gone 18+ years not being able to make appropriate assessments based on your own criteria and off of a cursory glance at a game. How fricking self-unaware are you that you can't see a few screeshots and 30 seconds of gameplay and determine if it's a game you'd be interested in or not? You are dumb as shit.
>you should take risks with your money!
Frick that, and frick you.
Wow, you really are moronic if that was your take away. I never risk my money because I already know if I'll like the game or not. You're a piece of shit hylic with so little fricking introspection that I'd rather spend a month in completely solitude than to suffer another minute of entertaining your absolutely batshit insane mindset.
I don't give a plagued rat's ass about how you feel. I'm not obligated to finance their shitty financial decisions by paying for the bad game they made.
YOU WOULDN'T PAY FOR A BAD GAME IF A SINGLE BONE IN YOUR BODY WAS CAPABLE OF DETECTING WHAT A BAD GAME LOOKS LIKE AHEAD OF TIME, YOU FRICKING INVALID
no shit, that's why I pirate them
Cruise control? What is this, 2006? My method for detecting bad games is 100% accurate. My methods don't affect you at all, and here you are:
fricking kvetching
Wasn't even talking to you lmao My beef was with this little moron
who has zero sense of identifying quality. I hate that I share a board with people that stupid
So if I wouldn't pay for the bad game that I recognized ahead of time as being bad, then there's zero loss for the devs when I pirate them.
Thanks for justifying piracy!
>I play bad games on purpose to own anons on Ganker
Christ, a mealworm has more purpose living than you do
why would you WANT to play the bad game in the first place?
>yeah bro i know its shit and it tastes bad, but i still eat it
>why would you WANT to play the bad game in the first place?
Because it's free and I can give my own opinion and how exactly it's bad.
t. usurer
>"NOOOOOOO PEOPLE SHOULD JUST SPEND HUNDREDS OF HOURS MAKING THINGS FOR FREE!!!!"
yes
art and entertainment are only good when it's something the creator would be willing to do for free
otherwise it's just soulless slop, i.e. the entire AAA games industry
This is beyond idiotic. I'm sure you maybe you have 1 or 2 indie games at the front of your mind you are using to justify this fricking stupid statement, but 99.99999% of games you love were made by underpaid sweatshop workers for a paycheck.
a paycheck they already GOT, moron
I don't give a shit if Schlomo Shekelstein gets to buy his 5th yacht, that's his problem
What are your favorite games? All F2P, I assume?
i.e the whole art industry
You only say that because you never created anything yourself. Humans still need to eat you know and no everybody has rich parents to take of them while they pursue their projects. I really doubt any of your favorite games had zero profit on them
or maybe you should get a job while working on your game, nobody is asking you to finish it in 5 days only AAA slaves get to have soul crushing gamedev experience, not indies
Not even fricking Doom would exist if you actually did this.
imagine bringing up doom when the biggest reason it is so big is due to the bootleg copies being distributed into every household with a pc instead of people buying the game
but the streamers themselves don't have authorization excluding early access.
>but the streamers themselves don't have authorization excluding early access.
Copyright strike them as a publisher
You're only really making an argument for why id shouldn't have made Doom in the first place, considering they were dumb enough to expect people to pay them.
that would be up to id to decide if they made a mistake. but clearly, rampant piracy at worst didn't effect the game's success as it's cemented as a classic that is played to this day, and arguably made it more popular than it would've been otherwise.
in many places, especially in the past, pirating is the only way to get access to media. and nobody says pirates are "paying" the devs by exposure. but more access = more exposure = more overall sales. in a way it's the opposite, pirates can be shilling for free if you have a good product
Do you want a soulful game or not? Cause you aint getting it when the creator only has a hour a day if they are lucky to work on it.
AAA studios pay their employees every week, frickwit
>You only say that because you never created anything yourself.
most IPs belong to entities that didn't create the work in the first place.
This is 100% true.
Youtube was ruined by ad revenue.
Art was ruined by Patreon/Fanbox/etc.
Vidya was ruined by the AAA industry.
>Art was ruined by Patreon/Fanbox/etc.
do you mean Improved.
>artists hiding their works behind paywalls instead of displaying them proudly
>artists chasing trends for $$$ instead of drawing what they want
>morons with no skills flooding art sites with shitty stolen/traced porn with [insert popular character]'s face pasted on to shill their patreons
>all of this worsening significantly due to the flood of low effort AI slop
Of course it's gotten worse you tasteless Black person
>artists hiding their works behind paywalls instead of displaying them proudly
this filters autistic poorgays like you
>artists chasing trends for $$$ instead of drawing what they want
this filters autistic poorgays like you
>morons with no skills flooding art sites with shitty stolen/traced porn with [insert popular character]'s face pasted on to shill their patreons
skill issue you autistic poorgay
>all of this worsening significantly due to the flood of low effort AI slop
not my problem, AI at the other hand.
>...
Of course you're an autist with zero skill.
Absolutely true
>>"NOOOOOOO PEOPLE SHOULD JUST SPEND HUNDREDS OF HOURS MAKING THINGS FOR FREE!!!!"
no one's forcing them
kys israelite
>NOOO I SPENT HUNDREDS OF HOURS ON THIS GARBAGE, YOU OWE ME SALES!!!!
>PEOPLE SHOULD JUST SPEND HUNDREDS OF HOURS MAKING THINGS FOR israeli OWNER OF RECORD CORPORATION INSTEAD!!!
Checks out.
>we should forcibly take the wealth of others
COMMIE homosexual
Funny. Your wealth is being forcibly taken from you and you don't even give a shit.
>Your wealth is being forcibly taken from you
nope. it isn't.
What happens if you stop paying your taxes?
IRS (and probably the feds) hires a sniper hitman to kill you.
The issue isn't the artist it's the system that demands money for simply existing
Humanity has always existed on everyone doing something to contribute, even if those contributions aren't tangibly comparable. That's why money exists as a middleman so we don't have to barter if someone spending five minutes collecting eggs is worth the same value as someone spending ten months chiselling a marble statue.
you're paying for the work that the devs put into the product.
suppose you hire a contractor to do some housework and provide them with the materials and tools needed for the job.
do you still pay that contractor?
I wouldn't pay any contractor who said they could rip up my floor 10 years later because he doesn't like me now, or because I said a word he doesn't like, or because his boss said I'm no longer entitled to that work, or because he's going out of business.
Your analogy doesn't hold up. The "contractor" is actually a magician that summons clones of himself to perform the work on an infinite number of houses. If I could conjure up a phantom version of a contractor to do the exact same work the contractor performs without needing to pay anyone, why wouldn't I? Don't attempt to dismiss the nature of what is being discussed.
and tell me, where are you getting YOUR phantom version of the contractor from?
you didnt make him yourself, or teach him how to do the contract work you want.
From thin fricking air just like the magician. You're not the one that decides the value of your product. You can only decide the PRICE. The customers decide the VALUE. You can attempt to prevent people from receiving your product for how much they value it, but since you've been capitalizing on the extremely easy and convenient method of copying it digitally you need to concede that everyone else can use that method as well. If you don't like people stealing your shit then figure out how to make something that can't be stolen.
>you didnt make him yourself
the contractor was made by some other people, these same other people that decide when the contractor is not able to work anymore because .... because they decided so, the same people that doesn't see me as someone who want that contractor or need because highter ups wearing fancier suits than them doing shareholding decided that the contractor was outdated and has to stop existing.
so yeah, i'm going to keep that phantom contractor, thanks for teaching him all the stuff btw
>you're paying for the work that the devs put into the product.
No, you're paying the people that already paid the devs for the work they put into the product.
In this analogy you are paying the contractor's manager who has already paid the contractor before work even started
Pirating is stealing goods and keeping them or selling them. It involves bootlegging and counterfeiting.
Is a digital copy a counterfeit? No and yes? Technically it isn't.
What about a movie rip? Maybe you download a lower quality version that isn't 60GB. Is it a counterfeit? Yes, but you know it's not a Blu-ray disc. Its lower quality so doesn't that leave incentive to buy a hard copy for the higher quality sound and picture? But then they would say "well why didn't you just buy the digital copy?". Why? If it's streamed at me at a lower quality than the hard copy. You are selling me your own counterfeit of your own film and telling me I did the bad the thing. The torrent uploadern is Born profiting off the counterfeit yet the studio is.
oi do ya have a loiscnece to rent it
Ask Atlus and Ubisoft, who both deserve it
>You'll own NOTHING
>you'll be HAPPY
>and you'll pirate EVERYTHING.
this is the complete phrase to me.
Yeah but if you pirate stuff, you actually do own it.
pirating Nintendo and indie games is more based than pirating anything else
Yes
Really weird how throughout history, mankind paid for stage shows, live concerts, alcohol at the local bar/pub, movie theater screenings, access to theme parks, and countless other ephemeral experiences, and it was assumed that unless the service was awful you weren't getting your money back. But video games? Nah, I need to OWN this experience and the ability to repeat it again and again and again. Oh, and I should also be able to mod it however I want and then upload it for millions of others to have free access to.
Maybe gamers were the entitled babies after all.
seethe
Not an argument, Jamal.
I don't give a frick and will keep pirating your indie shit and encourage more people to do the same, schlomo
bait but like homie what is a book
A book is a good example but my first thought it was art pieces. Imagine trying to tell a king that the pieces he bought are not actually his.
moron, thats why movie tapes were invented. just stfu dumbass
books.
I don’t pay for live events, I just walk right up if they’re at a park or whatever.
>But video games? Nah, I need to OWN this experience and the ability to repeat it again and again and again.
Yeah because it's software.
History also had recorded mediums/media such as art/books/records/etc. There was never a EULA on ancient manuscripts that they could be rescinded at any time if the original creator got bought out by a new publisher or the license expired
Books, movie tapes/dvds and digital goods just demolish your shitpost
>Really weird how throughout history, mankind paid for stage shows, live concerts, alcohol at the local bar/pub, movie theater screenings, access to theme parks, and countless other ephemeral experiences, and it was assumed that unless the service was awful you weren't getting your money back. But music records? Nah, I need to OWN this experience and the ability to repeat it again and again and again in my record player.
What as that moron?
I would download a local bar and a theme park, cry about it
>Really weird how throughout history, mankind paid for stage shows, live concerts, alcohol at the local bar/pub, movie theater screenings, access to theme parks, and countless other ephemeral experiences
This was before they blasted our countries with countless immigrants
I WOULD download a car, thank you very much.
>mankind paid for stage shows
Stage shows used to be entirely public.
>live concerts
Paying for tickets is a relatively new invention and even today many concerts are completely free of charge.
>alcohol at the local bar/pub
Moonshine.
>movie theater screenings
Same shit as video games.
>access to theme parks
You're paying for something that has an active, running cost.
>and countless other ephemeral experiences
That's not what "ephemeral experience" means, but if you want to use it that way you might as well list the consumption of food.
*commits ur theater production to memory*
haha frickin nerd now i can rewatch it without paying
Id be careful there. All you're doing is opening a gateway of the worst kind
what are
>board games
>toys
>books
>record/music discs
>paintings/art
>ect.ect.
now go suck your corpo master's dick and you might get 0.0000000001 memecoin
>all that (You)s
You guys used to be better than that
Throughout most of history all of the things you listed were also free and done because people enjoyed it and had passion and close-knit communities instead of being lorded over by greedy israeli corporations; in fact when the israelites tried to lord over people back then they were killed or expelled for it, hundreds of times.
and most of those things were paid by the aristocrats in an attempt to imitate religious ceremonies but with their own taste
artists were either religious (pagan or urban) or paid by richgays.
the next stage (assuming no Ai) would be making memes "state approved" then in 500 years you would find simps crying out that you shouldn't "pirate" memes.
It's all greed
>experiences
>service
>"game" is literally in m the word "Videogame" and you still manage to not understand it.
>Nah, I need to OWN this experience
It's a game, yes I need to win. homosexual.
>But video games? Nah, I need to OWN this experience and the ability to repeat it again and again and again. Oh, and I should also be able to mod it however I want and then upload it for millions of others to have free access to.
Yes. Buying a soccer ball doesn't mean the company can take it away again because you said a naughty word.
Yea man, it's not like books existed back then.
Let's also just conveniently ignore the part where everything you purchase media-wise is all slowly being converted into these "live events" for no reason other than greed and control, and how piracy itself outside of actual theives correlates to shit services and obtuse national pricing models. Just as you homosexuals also did over paid mods and muh free gibs despite the observable negative effects it immediately had like the quantity-over-quality priority, stolen content and mod teams burning bridges left and right to the point where even Gaben caved.
t. not even a pirate, just not a drone either.
What is a public library fricktard.
Video games are different.
You need a specific hardware for play videogames, and videogames are an individualist experience by design, except in Mario Kart or Smash with 4 players, the 99% of all videogames are designed for solo experiences.
You can watch stage shows, live concerts, the local bar/pub, movie theater screenings, access to theme parks with your parents, SO, friends or with random people, but most people really dislike videogames.
And "stage shows, live concerts, the local bar/pub, movie theater screenings, theme parks" not have propaganda about trans, They pronouns, same sex relations, Sweet Baby, etc, AND people who watch stage plays, etc never are portraited as fat, ugly, lonely.
No, it's copyright infringement which is a far, far more serious crime. Stealing a $60-70 game is at most a misdemeanor that won't even be pursued.
this. I live in california and I just steal all my games because they literally don't arrest you for it anymore.
It's all about pirating paid subscriptions now, and that's a good thing.
Don't care, im gonna keep stealing
I wouldn't pirate if it weren't stealing.
I pirate software and don't even use it.
Pirating is not and never was stealing. Filesharing isn't theft. The term "pirate" was invented by the music industry as a slur.
not only that, they called it "pirating" because they knew they couldn't call it "stealing". they would've just said "stealing" if they could.
Yes its correct, legally pirating is copyright infringement, not theft.
But there's nothing really worth even pirating coming out.
why would the developers care? they already got their bag, it's the homosexual suits who aren't devs that cry about it
>ayo whyte boi, gibs me dat gaem!
>*sounds of Black person crime*
>ayo what da fuq? where all dem gaems at? why whyte boi no make gaems any mo'???
why are Black folk like this?
>obey the lay, you criminal
>laws against racism? Nah, i hate nigs!
What exactly were you trying to prove here?
No but only because it's publishers who do that.
Copyright infringement isn't stealing even if buying is owning.
Get your facts straight.
The bigger question is why do pirategays on Ganker bother trying to justify their actions? Just emulate the game and be done with it, you never see this sort of moral posturing when it comes to pirating anime or movies
Black person are you stupid?
>be me
>make passion project
>time is money, and i put thousands of hours into my passion project.
>put it up for 20 dolla-
>according to pirates on Ganker, it should be free
>never make another passion project again because it takes entirely too much time to do that for free AND work a job to keep myself alive
>pirates on Ganker complain about the lack of good games
why are they like this?
The games industry is now more profitable than the movie industry, big developers are not panhandling on the streets because a few thousand people decided not to buy their already overpriced products
get a real job, idiot
scamming and bootlicking does not count, idort.
>make passion project
>time is money, and i put thousands of hours into my passion project.
>me not being moronic, i just do this on the side while keeping an other job
>put it up for $20
>some people buy it
>some don't
>some say it's shit
>some pirate
>in the end i still published my project and now i want to make more and take lessons from it
maybe you should stop being a israelite or moronic or both
>implying
post portfolio
I know Ganker hates moral piracy, but it always feels nice to have a justification for doing something. Some people just like free stuff, and that's fine. me personally, if there's at least an attempt to compensate the devs, then piracy is justified. Sometimes the devs try to steal from the customer by rescinding the product for no reason. Like the license expires, so you don't get to watch this movie anymore, even though it was explicitly stated that you purchased it as a product and not a rental or a service, but they make a quick change to the EULA and you have no recourse, except piracy.
What are you supposed to do otherwise? Sit there and let them steal from you?
>listen to song on radio
>"and now a word from our spon..." CLICK!
>that's how I got 20 to life and now get assraped by big tony every night
>Whole point of copyrigh is that titles enter public domain after a certain amount of time as it's worthless without government protection and the ability to make derivative works is their payment for timed exclusivity.
>Game developers intentionally lose all means of reproducing the game before copyright expires so there's nothing that can enter the public domain.
If you put homosexual shit in your game I'll just steal it instead.
is this real?
Why would you want to play homosexualry in the first place?
if its worth your time to play, its worth your money.
if its not worth your time to play, its not even worth the time to pirate.
this completely kills the piracy argument.
>inb4 buh muh demooooo
all you need is 30 seconds of gameplay.
Your argument is predicated on the idea that everyone values their time and money in the exact same way you do.
and yours is founded on the idea that time is worthless.
Spend time enjoying game I paid for = 100% good.
Spend time not enjoying game but keeping my money = 100% good.
Spend time enjoying game I didn't pay for = 200% good.
>i get more enjoyment out of something if i steal it
literal Black person behavior
I enjoy keeping my money. Don't like it? Make me fricking pay. You can't even find out who I am let alone force me to do anything. Your business plan was flawed from the start. You've been depending on and expecting the generosity of people this entire time. You were never entitled to it, nor did you ever deserve it.
>you put your time and passion into a project?
>heh... you deserve ZERO compensation for it. go die in a ditch, reta-
>NOOOOOO WHERE ARE ALL THE GOOD GAMES AT???
Black person tier behavior
see
you fail to understand the sheer amount of time and skill that actually has to go into making a game.
the modern world already leaves you with little free time, if you're making anything with a scope larger than "small" then you simply wont be able to allocate the amount of time needed without a promise of return money or a group of people helping you (which unless its a group of friends, good luck getting them to help for free)
so every single indie dev is actually a corporate plant?
sounds like you suffer from a bad case of "schizo" i recommend taking your meds.
yeah thats what i advocate, play the games you like and ignore the ones that you dont.
it takes nothing more than a few minutes on youtube to decide if you'll like it or not.
also we all know that you homosexuals dont actually buy the product after, why lie? you only fool yourself.
>indie doesnt exist
Listen bud, I'm sure it's very upsetting that your quirky earthbound-inspired rpg with retro artstyle didn't sell very well, but maybe make a GOOD product next time and I'll consider giving you my money
why are you even playing games you dont like? thats what i dont understand.
>gaming industry is more profitable than ever
>every game that comes out is the same soulless corporate slop
>this is somehow the pirate's fault
didn't think that one all the way through, did ya bud
Crying like a b***h isn't going to convince anyone to change their behavior. If you want my money then make a good game that I want to support. If you think you deserve my money because you made a bad game you can go frick yourself. You think you deserve to have all the power and all the risk should be placed on the shoulders of the customers. Frick off. Piracy puts the power back in the hands of the customer. You make a good game first and THEN you get paid. You don't get away with getting paid for a bad game.
>If you think you deserve my money because you made a bad game you can go frick yourself.
NOBODY is saying this, you ape
He is. He insists that everyone needs to pay for every game they play regardless of the quality of the game. The only definitive way to know if a game is worth the cost is by playing it first hand because taste is subjective. This isn't rocket science.
This is true, but I'm not sure some anons are even capable of understanding subjectivity.
>You don't get away with getting paid for a bad game.
But that's wrong
What passion? All AA and above gaming is done by corpo sweatshops that abuse that passion until it's spent like a squeezed-out lemon.
>you deserve ZERO compensation
the economy just works, yeah
Piracy isn't steal, lying israelite.
>clicks twice
eat shit, homosexual
Dumb ass morons like you being born every day makes me wish for a nuclear apocalypse.
100% true. If you bought the game and could do whatever you wanted with it including reselling it and retaining its use after the company goes bankrupt then it would be unethical to pirate it. But if you can't do those things then it is not only ethical but morally correct to pirate.
>Is this true Ganker?
define pirating first. for no one has ever pirated a game
In first world countries we have these things called libraries. The idea is that the library buys a book, CDs, TV show, etc. once and then loans it out for free to any citizen for a week or so. That way anyone can enjoy the culture of reading. This notion is so antithetical to modern IP rights and digital storefronts yet is 100% legal. In any event, until there's a vidya library piracy is legal because according to ECL we do have the right to free media.
The fact that someone can shill for not being able to own property that is made to be owned just shows how fricked our species is
>yeah bro I get my games for free
>no-o I’m not poor it’s just frick corpo-
>hey bro where are you going
Try pirating without a VPN and no, third world shitholes don’t count
Maybe start with NOT shitting on your potential customers if you want to sell a product
Pirates aren’t customers or consumers
a lot of pirates are also consumers.
It seems you have a hard problem with definition of words, mate.
Of course pirates are consumer if they CONSUME your product
>consume - buy (goods or services).
very good saar
More like
Consumer
>Person who buys good products
Terrorist
>Person who refuses to buy [OUR PRODUCT]
>Pirates aren’t customers or consumers
why do you want their money then?
the big european piracy study showed that pirates are actually bigger consumers than normies, which is one of the main reasons why piracy doesn't actually hurt the industry.
>actually people who get shit for free pay more
Do people unironically believe this?
>people who don't want to pay for your game will actually pay for your game if you remove the option to play it for free
do israelites actually believe this?
>da joos
>da /misc/
.com/r/transgender
I accept your concession
confession denied.
Yes, because it's objectively true. Pirates play more video games than you do, and they also buy more games than you do. Maybe read the actual study before making yourself look like a fricking moron next time.
>uhm ackshually pirates buy more games
lol
you have 2 kinds of pirates. 1st are poorgays that just don't buy games and you can't make them buy them because they are poor. 2nd are people who play lots of games and will buy them if they know they are worth the money, which they can find out by pirating.
>frogposter does all that
>nintendo can still sue him to oblivion despite not stealing a single line of code from them
>will buy them if they know they are worth the money, which they can find out by pirating.
>demogay excuse
steam refunds had zero impact on piracy
its poorgays all the way down
>steam refunds had zero impact on piracy
steam refunds is not intended to "demo" games. they literally lock your ability to refund if you refund too many times. they also don't release (because they literally don't have) statistics on piracy.
>steam refunds had zero impact on piracy
obviously? if person pirates and doesn't like the game, are you suggesting they should then buy it anyway just to refund it? and if the person pirates, likes and buys, why would they then refund it?
if that's the case then what's the difference when a person makes their decision to buy or to not buy based on pirating compared to watching youtube video? are youtube views lost sales since they would buy the game if they couldn't watch it on youtube?
>are youtube views lost sales since they would buy the game if they couldn't watch it on youtube?
Yes. Only authorized showings of gameplay are allowed
>which they can find out by pirating.
you can also find it out through a single fricking minute on youtube.
its not that hard.
alright then, show us YOUR steam library
I pirate dozens of games a year and still buy an average of 25 games per year on steam, not including games I buy on consoles.
>25 games per year
sounds like you might have shit taste then. show us a selection.
"You are only paying for a license" is why subscription based gaming is the most honest form of monetization.
copyright infringement was never legally considered to be theft.
>Riding on the bus without a ticket is okay I didn't steal the bus, I was just riding it without permission or paying for it
You're already paying for the bus with your tax money, dumb Black person
Ah so since the taxes aren't enough to pay for the buses, gas and wages, they should just be raising taxes for everyone instead of charging for a ticket. Thanks for the input anon
We get the best of both worlds where they increase the taxes AND they increase the price of tickets, now I'm sure you're a good boy that loves that
IRS never cares about you, dumb autist.
Exactly. The bus didn't get stolen. 2 entirely different things
back in the day you'd just boycott and carpool instead
That doesn't fit into the analogy. If you chose to use a different form of transportation instead that would be like just buying a different game. That's not what's happening. You're still receiving the same service except you're not paying for it so piracy is like riding without a ticket and just buying games that are worth their price and not touching the ones that aren't is like car pooling.
I'm using the ancient art of "having friends" to play games that I do not own
busses are live service games anyway
Yes. That's the only way pirating isn't stealing.
Reminder that devs working at these big companies have already been compensated for their labor.
manchild logic. accessing any paid product without payment is theft
is gamepass theft?
you are paying a set price for access, so no it isn't, dumbass.
I'm not paying anything for the games I download on there. I give zero dollars to the developers yet i play their games anyway. The amount of money I pay to microsoft does not make up for the amount of money I would have had to pay to developers for all the games I get for free on there.
Is watching netflix on someone else's account theft? why hasn't netflix ever had anyone arrested for it? Is riding my cousin's bicycle theft? Is borrowing a game from someone who paid for it theft? are streamers stealing from companies when they're given official early access keys without paying for them? your argument is moronic and you're moronic.
>go outside
>i'm now stealing the street
That's not the definition of theft
Is lending a game to a friend theft?
If your friend isn't tipping the devs, yes
>redditbob
>Noooo, those are our 1s and 0s!!
Honestly in the past all we were paying for was their distribution system.
>I'm paying a quarter to rent time on the arcade game you assembled.
>I'm paying for your proprietary hardware on your console and the cartridge the developer produced and shipped to stores.
>I'm paying for this CD-ROM that took time and effort to press and the tech support I may need with it.
Today you can DL a 30GB game in 5 minutes. We're essentially tipping the game creators for their hard work. The "game", meaning the idea and the code, was never worth a penny and still isn't. If that wasn't true then all console games would have different prices based on their relevant market worth, but they don't (not at first anyway, stores can adjust prices based on sales).
If Halo and Mad Dash Racing both sit on the retail shelf for 59.99 then I'm NOT paying for the game itself at all. I'm paying a fixed price to own the DVD-ROM and packaging that the game companies produced and distributed (and subsidizing their licensing fees to Microsoft).
the amount of financial illiteracy in this post makes the average twitter commie looks like warren buffet holy shit lmao
>essentially tipping
an hero with all due haste, you impossibly gay Black person.
cry about it, autist.
So long as publishers and developers act like insufferable jackasses, I will continue to not pay for video games.
>just because you pay for it doesnt mean you own it
>ok then i'll pirate it
>b-but you cant do that
>whats to stop me?
not directly quoting anyone but it really makes you think who is in charge when the israelites have to now put in precise wording on their products to scam us out of something that hasnt been an issue until now
>lines of code
>theft
dont reply with some cringe reductionist shit, i'm right
damn frogBlack person, sounds like you've got it all figured out.
since its so easy why dont you completely recreate a game RIGHT NOW.
on your own.
typing out all the code yourself, making the models, sounds, and art.
you're not allowed to take the game's resources from anywhere or use the source code as reference.
you have until the thread archives.
give me your password
hunter12
I'm going to steal your Ganker account now
12345678abc
>steal a bunch of atoms in a particular order
>everybody goes apeshit
???
idgi
>little 14 year old boy writes fanfiction for star wars, for free
>Disney Gestapo break down his door
>"but I'm not profiting off of-" his voice is cut off by a hailstorm of MP40 rounds riddling his chest
>"MISSION COMPLETE MR IGER. THE ILLEGAL MODIFICATION OF YOUR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY HAS BEEN HALTED. BEGINNING TERMINATION OF ALL COPYRIGHT INFRINGING MATERIALS"
>Disney(tm) brand McNuke(tm) is set off in the house, leveling every building within 5 miles
>another IP thief has been dealt with
this but irl it's nintendo
Nintendo just shuts down your game and nothing more. They'll only fine you if you do crap like leaking their games before their release or for making money by selling emulators for Nintendo consoles. Aka you ask for it.
>making money by selling emulators for Nintendo consoles
is the emulator using nintendo code? if not, they shouldn't have any right to do shit
>tripgays agree with us
piratebros... maybe we are wrong.
*contrarianism activates*
nevermind.
pirating is wrong. you will own nothing. you will sell nothing.
Is it piracy to watch a streamer play the game, or to watch a longplay of the full game on youtube?
I hope so.
Is it piracy to listen to a movie without watching it?
Is it piracy to watch a movie while it's muted?
if you did so for free, yes.
>hanging out with a buddy
>he beats quake
>mfw I pirated quake
Controllers should be able to recognize who is holding the controller. If it detects a new user, the console or PC should prompt you to login with your account and check for your license of the game.
Also if you are in the room with your friend while he is playing and you are only watching, cameras like Kinect or Playstation Eye should scan for people in the room and prompt the player to buy guest-licenses for every addtional person who is watching.
>oi! you got a loiscense t'watch that game?
>watch friend play through latest snoy game like TLOU
>he beats it
>mfw we both got the same experience, only i didn't pay for it
No, since the first half of the statement is entirely unrelated to the second half, since "pirating" (actual name: filesharing, don't let corpos dictate terminology) has never been stealing. Filesharing isn't stealing, not because buying isn't owning. Filesharing isn't stealing because filesharing is by definition not stealing. The fact buying doesn't grant you ownership anymore is merely another reason why it is moral to fileshare.
>actual name: filesharing, don't let corpos dictate terminology
this.
if anything corpos are pirating the word pirate
Good post. Will keep in mind
Pirating doesn't mean owning either and good luck getting through the nintendo flotilla. You know, for the games people actually want to pirate.
It is admittedly a bit funny when "but pirating will make games more well-known" comes up, because it's essentially jusf justifying anyone who has ever tried to pay anyone in exposure.
What's worth more? Literally nothing, or word of mouth?
What's worth more? Literally nothing or an unpaid intership you can totally put on your resume and get a recommendation for :,)
You're avoiding my question. You're acting like exposure is bad, but the alternative is a black hole. Exposure is worth a lot more than literally nothing. An unpaid internship wastes your time and labor. You're making a false equivalence.
. You're acting like exposure is bad, but the alternative is a black hole.
Both are privation. Both are bad. Your question poses these things as them being polarized opposites when they aren't anything at all.
If you want me to entertain it then no, I would rather have nothing over the word of mouth of Chris Chan.
the literally nothing in his example is literally nothing. someone who pirates your game was never going to buy it. in your example the "literally nothing" isn't literally nothing, as the person in question would likely have several clients offering actual paid jobs, not just one client offering "experience"
Speaking of paying someone in exposure, when the AI art topic comes up (as much as I hate AI art), a lot of artists come out of the woodwork and are suddenly ready to settle for exposure as payment.
A man's gotta eat, in the short or long run
randy?
I pirate games because I'm evil.
>B-b-but you can't be evil
Yes I can. Who's going to stop me, nerd?
Me. I'm the hero who pirates games because I'm a hero of justice.
I haven't seen a single game worth buying in the past 15 years anyway.
Factorio
yeah
Pirating is ALWAYS ethical.
Purchasing is SOMETIMES more ethical.
It's genuinely up to the experience the user has while pirating for them to justify purchasing it. Keep in in mind being a poorgay just wanting entertainment for free is not an excuse, but it's still better to pirate your games to spend money on bad games.
The industry did this to itself. People can't try before they buy legitimately anymore with proper demos unless they preorder for the beta test sort of shit. Everything is so scummy now that everyone in the industry deserves constant suspicion and proof that each and every single individual product is actually worth a purchase. And oh man, when a developer understands this and delivers, the word of mouth sales does tenfold more than any single influencer meme'ing a stream of the game ever could.
Pirate before you buy, but do buy if it's deserving to support the shit you enjoy so you can potentially see more of it being made.
Perfect
>tripgay screenshot
>perfect
erase the name, as is tradition
let's be more specific
you didn't buy a physical disc copy of a game
you bought the license to access the game in a distribution system
and that is because game developers are specifically choosing not to create physical copies of their games anymore, distributors are working hard to keep it this way, and this is now the only means to legally acquire such game
I really doubt physical distrubution is a dev-level decision. Maybe for indies or AA, but for those it's understandable why they'd want to go with digital, since they don't have the major publisher media backing.
That license is a physical copy, moron. As long as I have that physical copy of my license, I am entitled to be able to use it. And like it or not, I am allowed to transfer that license to another person with nobody but me being paid for that transaction. ...Unless I run a game store as a business and then must pay taxes.
no it's frickin not
you are only entitled to access it on that distribution system
you have the license to use it on Steam, that's not the same as the license to use it on Epic Game store or Xbox Live
maybe the dev can give you something else, like the so called serial number/key that will entitle you to purchase a license to use it in the other distribution stores, but it's not the same thing as a physical copy
>buy game on steam
>apply DLL crack
>no longer need steam
Looks like your distribution system is no longer necessary.
well yeah, you converted it into something that is not the same as what you purchased
So explain to me the wrongdoing that has occurred. Didn't they paid? Or is that not enough, and they need to dictate how I enjoy my purchase?
Yes, it's in their right to control how you are supposed to consume THEIR product
Why?
Because it's THEIR product
Well, they can't really stop me from modifying it to my heart's content. What argument are they putting forth?
>Well, they can't really stop me from modifying it to my heart's content
Yet
even if they could, what argument do they have to justify it being good for me? Look at denuvo, it makes the game worse for no reason other than for their gain. What do I get out of it?
>What do I get out of it?
Why do you think you should get ANYTHING out of it?
What a stupid question.
>why do you think you should get anything out of it
Because it's my money being put on the line? This isn't like some freemium game, they want 70 dollars plus tip, so every action they make should benefit me.
there's literally nothing wrong, I pirate shit all the time
I'm just saying you didn't have a physical copy in the first place and you didn't buy a physical copy in the first place, what you are only able to actually buy is access to something similar in a distribution system
it's like if you bought a season pass to disneyland, but I figured out a way to duplicate disneyland in my backyard, so now I have my own disneyland. The season pass isn't actually disneyland, it's just a tool for accessing disneyland
>no it's frickin not
>you are only entitled to access it on that distribution system
>you have the license to use it on Steam, that's not the same as the license to use it on Epic Game store or Xbox Live
Thanks, but I only buy DRM free
>buy chair for my dining room
>eventually go to move the chair somewhere else
>stop right there criminal scum! you are not entitled to use outside the dining room
your apartment is pre furnished, that's not your furniture
Piracy definitionally isn't theft. It's copyright infringement.
Reminder that piracy caused lost media.
copying files on a computer will never ever be stealing no matter how much israelites kvetch or how harshly their goons punish people or their shills moralize.
PAYING FOR SOMETHING *isn’t” the same as owning something, and pirating *isn’t* stealing it’s pirating.
Imagine you hire a lawn mowing company and pay them on a regular basis to cut your lawn. Then one day they decide to shutdown or you decide to stop paying them and then you call the government and insist that the lawnmower they have is actually yours. That’s what this current campaign is.
the lawn mowing company was pirating my grass
Except in this case I paid them to move the cut grass off my lawn, but when they shut down, they dumped all of the mowed grass back onto my yard, making a mess.
okay first off
>food analogies
second off, you're not buying the lawn mowing company
You didn’t buy the game servers
The devs aren’t responsible for tidying up after your dorito infused gaming night
>Buy new car
>have fun with it for 2 years
>manufacturer comes along and shoves your car on a huge truck and takes it
>"Your license expired. We've sent you an E-Mail a week ago. Didn't you read it?"
This argument is post is false pirating and stealing are two different crimes.
>Anon is so buttblasted that he has a stroke.
>if buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing
this won't get you far with games as a service
it's cope
>if i visit my friend's house and play one of their games that's theft
>when the music industry unironically tried to argue this about radios in cars, because passengers who weren't the car owner could listen to satellite radio when only the owner was paying
Kek, fricking schizos. Reminds me of Netflix seething about people sharing their passwords to other houses
No, moron, that's not even remotely close to what that word means. How stupid and young are you to just flippantly use "schizo" as a catch-all derogatory term, as if you're a 90's kid calling everything "gay"? Absolutely nothing about either the music industry or the Netflix situation had anything to do with paranoia and everything with corporate greed trying to charge everyone full price everywhere. Pull your head out of your ass and learn what a word fricking means before parroting it.
Okay schizo
Sounds like you're an unsupervised child on an iPad who recently heard the word for his first time from his pediatrician.
have a nice day and the voices will stop
SHALOM, rabbi, why are you working on the sabbath? you are going to be considered a goy if you keep doing this.
No, but only because piracy was never stealing.
It's a non-sequitur. Buying is owning and pirating isn't stealing.
>blaming the developers for the publishers doings
classic moronic Ganker
>Paying the publishers for their wrong doings thinking it supports the developers who were already paid and laid off
Classic moronic zoomie.
>paying to use something that costs money
yup
stupid commie thieving homosexual
die of cancer
You're totally not a twelve year old fatherless black kid who freshly learned what /misc/ is from a classmate, no sir.
>You're totally not a twelve year old fatherless black kid who freshly learned what /misc/ is from a classmate, no sir.
lmao you speak from experience
again: get cancer
and die
Is your ipad/iphone's screen cracked and fricking up every time you try to tippity tap the space bar, kiddo?
>still mad
lmao always funny
Oh no, he needs the last word for his "win". Thankfully I don't have a bedtime.
its the weekend nerd
Where??
cope harder
you lost
proof: you have to get in the last word
Only for my obvious posts then, eh?
pirating is stealing. why not steal from people you hate? you'd think since everyone in game dev is a commie troon, you'd think they'd agree with this.
I don't pirate because i'm too paranoid to download anything online, but more power to those who do.
I can't jerk off to her anymore. Bring me back my innocence!
Fair. The internet is no longer the wild west of old, it's now a fricking cold war with assassinations and back stabbings happening around every corner.
The crappy antivirus packed with Windows 10+ is usually enough to catch most things, but I get it. Anime's the only thing that's been easy to legally obtain for free lately.
Okay schizo
>download a couple games from tpb (repost from igg)
>couple years later read about igg putting bad stuff in their uploads
>scan computer relentlessly
>backup only necessary file
>wipe drives and do a clean install
i didn't find a damn thing. i'm 95% sure i was being paranoid but i'm using fitgirl from now on. i don't even pirate that often anyway.
good way to put it
I think the last time I pirated something was Sonic Mania sometime after the Plus update so I could have the original version just for the sake of it.
Never touched it mind you, I just stuck to plus on my switch.
This should be the end of the discussion.
You're asking commies to use brainpower that they do not have anon ~
Yes and the only people arguing against fighting back on these big studios' bullshit is people from the big studios here desperately trying to change peoples' minds.
You dumb fricks want us to buy your games?! SELL THEM TO US you fricking dumb entitled buttholes!
We dont need YOU. You need US.
CAPITALIZED for **EMPHASIS** so you know we MEAN BUSINESS!
Black person
Don't pirate because you can't afford it.
Don't pirate because it's morally justifiable.
Pirate out of spite.
I cannot afford it.
It is morally justifiable.
I am doing it out of spite too.
>pirating for any reason other than wanting to enjoy the media
Why even do it at all if that's not your reason.
Here's a big life lesson pirates need to learn.
If It isn't worth your money, it DEFINITELY isn't worth your time. I only buy games worth both.
This doesn't actually make any sense. It's completely arbitrary shit you made up to... feel better about yourself? You know you can just buy games because it's slightly less complicated than pirating right? You don't need to moralize like a fricking gay. Because I can promise you with 100% certainty. No one. Gives. A frick.
Piracy is important even if you buy your games. You should be able to make backups of your games so you can play them at a later date, should disaster befall your hardware.
There was never an intended purchase so yeah them crying over it means nothing.
That's why they dont cry they just frick emu devs they catch selling in the ass
people just like free shit
if games had more demos (on PC at least) then pirates wouldn't have as strong legs to stand on and developers couldn't get away with making piles of dogshit as easily
you buy things from creators you like so they can live and create more things you like
they don't exist anymore
so then you dont want it.
I don't, but if I wanted to make a copy for myself anyways it's not something immoral.
the joke is that a lot of creators I like also have demos for their games so piracy is unnecessary
In the case of real indie games, this is true. By definition, they have no publisher, so your money actually goes to the people responsible for making the product. In all other cases, the developers don't see a dime, and the publishers can just make the game you paid for unavailable whenever they want.
>In all other cases, the developers don't see a dime
In the case that the developers and publishers aren't one and the same, if you're buying something like Mario Kart then those funds are definitely being funneled back into development
I really want americans to suffer and die
what does that have to do with piracy?
No, because you don't need that first part.
Piracy is always ethical.
Save editing to give yourself store-only items or pre-order bonuses is also always ethical.
Buying = owning
Owning a licence =/= owning the property rights
Distributing without the property rights = stealing
It's that fricking simple
I think what people making these arguments about your stuff being taken back in every industry don’t understand that laws are just not the best way to protect the consumer, a free market is. Sure you can argue that things will never be perfect but things only get worse if you try to meddle, regulations necessarily increase prices and reduce market competition by making it harder for new business to enter against established entities that are more able to take hits. It also opens the door for tariffs and protectionism for which no argument for consumer benefit can be made and most regulations and antitrust suits are pushed for by corporations and not consumers. There is the strawman argument of a monopoly coming about but what about applying the same reasoning to increasing government power, can democracy really save you from government abuse, what if you are a minority against the majority and constitutions have proven themselves able to be edited into irrelevance, even if you think we are doomed in a free market there is no reason to think we aren’t doomed with big government and it is at best zero sum.
The real problem is that a free market only works if the people are smart.
If you look into those stop killing games threads the crux of their argument is ultimately that they think they shouldn't have to think about their purchases and that they should have the right to blindly consume which is absolutely ludicrous.
I tried to address this, if the market only works for smart consumers then government only works for smart voters, at the end of the day regulation is zero sum at best and can be attributed to a host more problems than free market capitalism. That is why global warming is so politically important, without a threat of catastrophe government is pretty much dead in the water in modern times.
the hobby disappears if no one is paying for it
Good. Burn it down.
>only uses Ganker to do the opposite of what Ganker is here for
pretty sad anon
What's sad is that you can have a game by and for heterosexuals without getting lambasted as a bigot. If life is only going to get worse as idiots torch everything good to the ground, I want to at least enjoy the fires.
can't have*
A hobby that needs to exploit people by tricking them into buying a bad or faulty product in order to sustain itself does not deserve to exist. The gaming industry can thrive without all of that; history has proven that. It doesn't need to be the cancerous mess that it is right now. The hobby won't disappear. The industry surrounding it might.
>A hobby that needs to exploit people by tricking them into buying a bad or faulty product
if you were sold a lemon and don't return it that's on you. no one else.
If I can test something to see if it's bad before buying it then that's on them.
>If I can test something to see if it's bad before buying it then that's on them.
a demo? or are you talking about using via illegal methods?
cause you sound like a thief anon.
>and don't return it
Cant because according to industry apologists and DRM-happy publishers, I dont own the lemon to return it in the first place, let alone resell it or mod it into lemonade
It's a good thing AAA is dying despte gaming is the only industry which forgives and even encourages this kind of bullshit
>I dont own the lemon to return it in the first place
Of course you own it you jackass.
>can be "updated" at any time with bugs that render it completely unplayable, forced woke pandering or cancerous DRM
>and you have no choice but to update it
>cant refund it even when its no longer the product you wanted
>Y-Y-YOU TOTALLY OWN IT!!!!
Come on you worthless ass apologists, even your massas have stopped pretending
Congrats, you just figured out that owning a copy of the game isn't the same as owning the IP.
In any case none of what you said actually happens making it a moot point anyway.
>moves goalposts to muh IP
Every time. And you've proven my point again because "YOU DONT OWN THE IP!" can be used to yank your copy away from you even though you bought and legally "own" it. It's fricked how you're actively arguing against your own interests here
>In any case none of what you said actually happens making it a moot point anyway
Exhibit A.
way to out yourself as a exposed falseflagger
>gets btfo with an actual example
>F-F-FALSEFLAGGER!!!!
Kek. I've made my point but it's still nice to grind it into your skulls and see you writhe in pain as the brainwashing fails.
Exhibit B.
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>I-it happened years ago! Ignore the fact that it's fricked it has and can still happen at any time now!!! STOP FIGHTING IT HURTS!!!!
top kek.
Exhibit C.
non-sequitur
omelette du fommage
way to out yourself as a exposed sockpuppeting slave.
>I dont own the lemon to return it in the first place
that proof-of-sale says otherwise.
but let's just be honest here: you're a no-good thief. you're no different than the buttholes ransacking drug stores.
>The gaming industry can thrive without all of that; history has proven that. It doesn't need to be the cancerous mess that it is right now. The hobby won't disappear. The industry surrounding it might.
Then take your own advice and vote with your wallet, that's the only way things will change.
Unfortunately it's more complex than that now. People who play video games are no longer the target customers of video games according to many, if not most, of the biggest studios and publishers right now. Customers are merely the means to reimburse the investment by investors. Games of that scale are not made using the profits of previous games like they used to be. Games are made to order by investors. Do you understand? Investors are the customers. They purchase the game before it's made. They're being financed by other industries like banking and real estate. They're operating at a net loss, but it doesn't really matter to them because video games are simply the vessel for the thing they're actually spending their money on: cultural saturation and control.
What you do with your wallet matters less and less as time goes by.
>Unfortunately it's more complex than that now
It's really not, in fact because AAA games are getting more and more expensive voting with your wallet is even more effective than it was 20 years ago. After all a game selling 2 million would be a massive success on PS2 while a game selling 2 million on PS5 is now a colossal flop.
The rest of your post simply shows an amazing amount of ignorance of the industry.
People have been voting with their wallet. Look at where we are.
having to justify pirating is complete cope of pirates. if you pirate for any reason besides "because I can" is complete copium
based beyond belief
>i can pay for this but i'm not going to
whatever reasoning however valid will always be secondary
No I will not give up the moral high ground, israelite.
Your brain has become infested with idiotic idealism. Pirates have never done what they can.. they do what they must. It meant more about liberty and freedom than the likes of you will ever encounter.
Except some of us do enjoy paying for our products. piracy is necessary so they can't be taken away at a moment's notice.
Funny watching poors flex their nonexistent wealth
I'm not sure it's the devs that get upset, surely they already been paid for their work.
If you pay for the game but still don't own it then there's no incentive other then to steal it.
>i don't have the money for it so imma make a copy of it and use it without paying for it
Who's going to stop me from making my own checkers or chess board and pieces, moron?
>make checkerboard out of old table I found
>make crude chess pieces from carved wood I found
>have functional chess game
>police barge into my house and shoot me dead for infringing on Arthur B. Chess-ter's copyright
You're doing the thing again anon.
Why is Ganker the only board that acts like piracy is controversial? Everybody else expects and enables it. It sometimes feels like Ganker isn't even part of Ganker anymore.
This place is fit to bursting with literal shills and wannabe game devs.
morons, brand ambassadors, and paid actors
>Why is Ganker the only board that acts like piracy is controversial?
Because Ganker is the only board that openly defends piracy as a righteous act rather than what everyone else sees it as, just enjoying the product without paying for it and it's fricking annoying.
You don't see people on Ganker, Ganker, Ganker and so on constantly saying
>NEVER BUY ALWAYS PIRATE IT'S UNFAIR THAT THEY OWN THEIR IPS!
no, on other boards they just fricking do it and if their avenues for piracy are shut down they just find or make new ones
Maybe it has something to do with publishers actively shitting on their customers?
Because Ganker is just like us in this regard
>Because Ganker is just like us in this regard
No, not even close. Ganker, like everyone else, criticises the product and doesn't give a shit about the publisher or tries to justify their piracy.
It's only ever Ganker.
I justify it because I can and I'm right in a material and objective sense.
>It's only ever Ganker.
Nope, you are wrong. Ganker has the same tortanic threads every time a new ESG movie fails just like Ganker.
You might have to lurk Ganker more.
>Ganker supports hulu, amazon prime and netflix
Pfft
Prompt any of them to justify it and they will. Only on Ganker do people like you scream and shout for them to justify it. The answers would be the same no matter where you go or whom you ask.
yep
You're seeing the results of israeli progamming that's been going on for the past 20 years. Zoomers are so afraid to think for themselves that they'll argue for corporations that see them as walking wallets to be emptied
>has to justify robbing publishers of their $20
get a fricking job commie
>Needing a publisher
Pathetic
scamming and bootlicking does not count, you criminal scum under arrest.
the game you fentanyl addict
>ruining future generations because of your greed
be better than the boomers anon
This. Don't be a corporate wage slave like boomers, actually fight back.
so Ganker is justifying their thievery this time because
*checks notes*
body type instead of gender. also for adding skin colors other than white
see
can't wait for publishers to crack down on thieves. you'll all owe what the title cost at the time plus interest
>statute of limitations
not in ongoing cases like this.
If i cant get a physical copy, i steal it.
>ctrl+f israelite
>12 matches
hiroshimoot, please delete /misc/
It should be 472 matches
remember if anyone on Ganker says "Ganker was never lefty" point them to these threads where people are proudly commies
stopped pirating once i got a job cause you realize your importance in society once you start generating income.
on-point Ganker is clueless to this idea.
I have a job and I'm still not buying shit. If you want money, develop enterprise class software or get a real job you hack. Gamedev is a hobby and nothing more.
>I have a job and I'm still stealing
[ X ] Doubt
Wrong on two counts now.
Piracy isn't theft.
>Piracy isn't theft.
you people really will say anything to justify stealing
Anon you're trying to flex your morals on people who use bigotry and anti-Semitism to justify their logic.
It is materially and objectively the case that piracy is not theft, you're arguing with reality at this point.
>It is materially and objectively the case that piracy is not theft, you're arguing with reality at this point.
Dumbest shit I've ever read on Ganker. Not just Ganker.
You already said that lending your games to a friend counts as theft, since you've reduced potential sales from 2 to 1. So nobody will take you seriously.
>You already said
first post in the thread anon. the voices in your head are not your friends.
another "i will never recover from this 70 dollar purchase" thread
>Make and endless reusable commodity like out of some Star Trek fantasy
>Thinking people aren't going to replicate and share it
>Being mad that people aren't paying you to replicate and share this free endless technology
Come on now, no one is this stupid, right?
>buyers remorse made me more conscious of my purchases
>pirategays can’t tell a good game from a bad one because it’s all the same
>this explains Ganker terrible taste in video games
If I bought a game, I will pirate it and strip the devs of control over it.
Don't like it? Too bad. Service issue.
You've got that backwards
>buygays' buyers remorse makes them want to believe the game they bought was good, otherwise they'd regret it
>piratechads, being able to play anything and everything for free, don't experience this phenomenon and can thus rate games more fairly
I will never understand how someone can think they're part of the solution by stealing shit that isn't theirs.
i think besides arguing over pedantic terms, it boils down to simple ethics. people spend time and effort to produce goods and expect to exchange it for value. that's all there is to it
>we're creating value by devaluing the item in question
you glorious morons
never change
If you can afford a PC, you can afford to pay for games
I don’t care how smug you act, you are a literal shitskin tier parasite and I resent that you share this hobby with me
>behaving like third worlders is "Based" in the eyes of Ganker
What's the best way to pay for games and then pirate the DLC? I think that would send a better message than just pirating everything.
>the only way Ganker can cope with their actions is if they brag to others about their crimes
if doing it for free were the ultimate virtue there'd be a lot more jannies on Ganker
I don't understand why this thread gets spammed here. Shouldn't mods just permaban OP?
lmao imagine proclaiming a video game thread shouldn't be allowed on Ganker
why the frick want pirate all those AAA with trans propaganda ?
so, we all agree N*ntendo is the most based form of piracy, followed by indieshit, right?
>claims they're smart
>cries about the price of a video game
if you were smart you wouldn't be poor