>ohnononono, nooooooo! penisaurbros! we need to come up with some mental gymnastics on why the squirtlechads are le WRONG. >y-yes! they're le wrong because a israelitetuber has exposed us on why our sharter is objectively shit! That'll teach em!
Total bulbatroony death.
there are israelitetubers who said Charmander is the best, and others said Bulbasaur is the best.
it's just stupid israelites generating clicks from you, dumbass
yeah, it makes you consider what tm's are worth giving to which pokemon for the stab bonus and also teaches you stab isnt the be all end all regardless
This would be fine if you could get more than one of each TM, besides which gen 2 barely has any good TM moves, there's literally no way to give Sandslash Earthquake in GSC.
I like to believe this anon didn't have an emulator or a GSC rom, but was so offended by this moron
This would be fine if you could get more than one of each TM, besides which gen 2 barely has any good TM moves, there's literally no way to give Sandslash Earthquake in GSC.
that he went out and played the entire game just to prove him wrong.
>there's literally no way to give Sandslash Earthquake in GSC.
You get Earthquake at Victory Road and before that you can just teach it Dig which you find at the park.
It “teaches you” that there are correct choices and wrong ones, and the former are very few. And the penalty for getting it wrong is never getting to assign that move again.
>Leaves out dig, earthquake, submission swords dance body slam
Frick u sandslash is the best ground type for gen 1. Your expected to use TMs throughout the game.
>Venusaur is TERRIBLE >just don't look at how busted its 80 Speed + 100 Special Razor Leaf crits are >and if you run into anything not killed by Razor Leaf you can just toxic + leech seed and even put rest on it to make the stalling even worse >but it's TERRIBLE dude trust me >and Charizard? Yeah dude also terrible >I don't care that it learns Slash and has 100 Speed so once again it's a guaranteed crit move it doesn't learn like, a flying move or whatever, so it's bad!! >it's uhm... completely outclassed by Scyther so you should never use it! Ignore the fact that Scyther is super rare and a version exclusive!!!
Yeah Sandslash is sooo bad let's just ignore the fact that it can learn Swords Dance, Body Slam, Rock Slide and Earthquake to be an absolute monster while also being fairly bulky.
To be fair Sandslash isn't actually that fast to the point where it can reliably take advantage of Slash in the same way other alternatives like Persian, Pinsir or Dugtrio can, you're better off slapping Earthquake on it instead alongside other good physical moves like Body Slam or Strength.
Really?
I've never actually used Sandslash since I tend to always pick Red and go with Scyther instead if I want a Slash user, I actually had no idea it was a fixed value for it to become guaranteed.
Sandslash is pretty damn good >Evolves by surge >slash crit sweeps Erika except maybe Victreebel? >Free x-speed on Mr.Mime for sweep >mogs Koga and Blaine >tanks Giovanni except Dugtrio crits and sweeps >mogs Bruno and Agatha >tanks Lance
every species benefits from those crit moves, the speed-crit calculation gets multiplied by 8. at base 64 speed, youd normally have (64/2)/256 crit rate = 1/8, so at 65 speed sandslash gets >1 so 'guaranteed' crits (limited to 255/256)
even paras crits 40% with slash
have you honestly played the game youre talking about
It misses the 85 speed crit bonus but gets the secret crit damage% bonus from having exactly 75 base HP and 55 base special (don't tell smogon about this one)
Nothing is terrible in Pokemon, it's a children's game that can be beaten with 1 Pokemon in your party and spamming its strongest move. >b-buh these ones have lower stats
Still possible to do the above with them.
Terrible is a comparison, it has nothing to do with whether they can beat the game or not - obviously nobody thinks that. Stop being a dense, pedantic prick
why dont you just play the game and find out
short answer is no with some exceptions like golbat most pokemon breeze through the vast majority of the game including bulbasaur pikachu and charmander
i dont think making certain sweeping adjustments through romhacking is a bad idea at all but thats just moronic clickbait that makes it sound like hes never even played the games
Dogshit movepools are a two way street
Your opponents are also pathetically easy because they have nothing
In fact it's worse for the npcs since they just use the latest level-up moves and can't use TMs
This, most of what makes Battle Facilities even halfway difficult is that your opponents can use TM/Tutor/Egg moves to give their Pokemon useful STAB and coverage options.
Zard had it pretty rough but was okay, Benisaur was probably a better choice, and would shine if you agreed no psychics. Both were better than Blastoise. Raichu was good when it got Surf.
Disregard israelitetubers, here's how the meta back then was really like https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/gameboy/367023-pokemon-red-version/faqs/20844
>no, no, NO! you need to listen to some dated ancient guide because I said so!
Funny that even that link list Venuchump as a mediocre grass starter. Chadrizard and Chadtoise clears it despite not being the best.
Water had a shitload of good mons even back then that could outcompete Blastoise for a spot on a comp team. Fire and grass barely had anything that could match a starter.
NPC trainers aren't insular.
Unless you're going back to the Poke Center after every single battle you're going to be fighting three or four back to back on most routes.
Giving them busted Pokemon would just make the game needlessly frustrating.
So instead you'll just have a bunch of filler content that provides no actual gameplay in exchange for XP on your way to the next gym where the actual boss still has garbage moves and is also a fricking joke
>filler content
I find it hard to believe your team won't get at least a little worn down after so many fights back to back.
An NPC trainer might not kill one of your mons but it'll still chip off a bit of health that'll make the next fight marginally harder, and as you stack more and more of these up the more likely it is that you do lose a mon or even get totally swept by the proceeding encounters.
Also I don't know why you say the gym leaders have garbage move sets when Koga is literally stallmaxxing.
It is true, but I think people are too obsessed with every typing having a strong STAB option.
Like in Gen 1, ghosts and dragons were used more for their defensive properties with ghost being immune to the best typing in the game and fighting, while dragon resists the three starter types.
I don't agree with some of his choices. There are better ways of buffing Pokemon or giving them a niche without resorting to fanfic-tier stuff and completely altering many moves.
Yes a lot of them are pretty shit for no reason. Some of it makes sense from the perspective of a single player game (Onix) but some of it is pretty baffling. Aerodactyl doesn't learn any rock moves until gen 3
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>gaytoise propaganda
>Seething troonysaur lover not handling the facts so well.
>needs a israelitetuber to feel validated
I bet you are into NTR too
>ohnononono, nooooooo! penisaurbros! we need to come up with some mental gymnastics on why the squirtlechads are le WRONG.
>y-yes! they're le wrong because a israelitetuber has exposed us on why our sharter is objectively shit! That'll teach em!
Total bulbatroony death.
there are israelitetubers who said Charmander is the best, and others said Bulbasaur is the best.
it's just stupid israelites generating clicks from you, dumbass
Wow what a nothing response. As expected from a dilating bulbacuck. Even charizardgays aren’t as shameless.
>n-no you don't understand, having no stab or even moves is LE GOOD!
yeah, it makes you consider what tm's are worth giving to which pokemon for the stab bonus and also teaches you stab isnt the be all end all regardless
This would be fine if you could get more than one of each TM, besides which gen 2 barely has any good TM moves, there's literally no way to give Sandslash Earthquake in GSC.
I like to believe this anon didn't have an emulator or a GSC rom, but was so offended by this moron
that he went out and played the entire game just to prove him wrong.
Tell me where I can get multiple Earthquakes or Body Slams in gen 1
>False Swipe
>Gen 2
Yeah nice try
What did you mean by this?
he's been mandela'd
>there's literally no way to give Sandslash Earthquake in GSC.
You get Earthquake at Victory Road and before that you can just teach it Dig which you find at the park.
Half the TMs are shitty Normal moves too
>Fly
>Double Edge
>Swift
>Hyper Beam
Seems alright for a 130 Speed 105 Attack mon.
It “teaches you” that there are correct choices and wrong ones, and the former are very few. And the penalty for getting it wrong is never getting to assign that move again.
Other Pokémon are less dependent on tms than others. Even if you were right not being able to reobtain tms in the postgame was ridiculous.
Fricking Yikes.
I didn't even think it was that bad
If you thought that was bad go take a look at gen 2 Gligar.
Yes. It is good. Learn how the game works, zoomzoom.
>Leaves out dig, earthquake, submission swords dance body slam
Frick u sandslash is the best ground type for gen 1. Your expected to use TMs throughout the game.
Grim
Slash and sand is more than enough.
*crack* *sip*
>Venusaur is TERRIBLE
>just don't look at how busted its 80 Speed + 100 Special Razor Leaf crits are
>and if you run into anything not killed by Razor Leaf you can just toxic + leech seed and even put rest on it to make the stalling even worse
>but it's TERRIBLE dude trust me
>and Charizard? Yeah dude also terrible
>I don't care that it learns Slash and has 100 Speed so once again it's a guaranteed crit move it doesn't learn like, a flying move or whatever, so it's bad!!
>it's uhm... completely outclassed by Scyther so you should never use it! Ignore the fact that Scyther is super rare and a version exclusive!!!
Yeah Sandslash is sooo bad let's just ignore the fact that it can learn Swords Dance, Body Slam, Rock Slide and Earthquake to be an absolute monster while also being fairly bulky.
>fast pokemon with a high crit ratio move in gen 1
you literally and factually do not need more
*blocks u're path*
but yeah sandslash is one of the most convenient pokemon in all of 1
To be fair Sandslash isn't actually that fast to the point where it can reliably take advantage of Slash in the same way other alternatives like Persian, Pinsir or Dugtrio can, you're better off slapping Earthquake on it instead alongside other good physical moves like Body Slam or Strength.
its the same as persian, its always crit. i believe its 64 speed you need and he has 65
try it!
Really?
I've never actually used Sandslash since I tend to always pick Red and go with Scyther instead if I want a Slash user, I actually had no idea it was a fixed value for it to become guaranteed.
Sandslash is pretty damn good
>Evolves by surge
>slash crit sweeps Erika except maybe Victreebel?
>Free x-speed on Mr.Mime for sweep
>mogs Koga and Blaine
>tanks Giovanni except Dugtrio crits and sweeps
>mogs Bruno and Agatha
>tanks Lance
Sandslash is slow and doesn't even get the slash crit bonus you moron
every species benefits from those crit moves, the speed-crit calculation gets multiplied by 8. at base 64 speed, youd normally have (64/2)/256 crit rate = 1/8, so at 65 speed sandslash gets >1 so 'guaranteed' crits (limited to 255/256)
even paras crits 40% with slash
have you honestly played the game youre talking about
Sandslash only gets the standard slash crit bonus. The speed threshold to get the extra crit is 85 which he doesn't reach
It misses the 85 speed crit bonus but gets the secret crit damage% bonus from having exactly 75 base HP and 55 base special (don't tell smogon about this one)
moron.
> Permacrit Slash.
> Dig
> Rock Slide
> Filler
YOU DON'T PLAY GAMES YOU Black person.
moronic mutt
All a pokemon needs is 2 decent moves. You are given 6 slots, one pokemon being able to solve 90% of the problems is bad and lame.
>All a pokemon needs is 2 decent moves.
Only like 10 mons are actually viable in Gen I
"guys check out my romhack where level 14 shitmons learn flamethrower i fixed the game guys"
romhackers are mentally unwell
Nothing is terrible in Pokemon, it's a children's game that can be beaten with 1 Pokemon in your party and spamming its strongest move.
>b-buh these ones have lower stats
Still possible to do the above with them.
Terrible is a comparison, it has nothing to do with whether they can beat the game or not - obviously nobody thinks that. Stop being a dense, pedantic prick
why dont you just play the game and find out
short answer is no with some exceptions like golbat most pokemon breeze through the vast majority of the game including bulbasaur pikachu and charmander
i dont think making certain sweeping adjustments through romhacking is a bad idea at all but thats just moronic clickbait that makes it sound like hes never even played the games
Dogshit movepools are a two way street
Your opponents are also pathetically easy because they have nothing
In fact it's worse for the npcs since they just use the latest level-up moves and can't use TMs
This, most of what makes Battle Facilities even halfway difficult is that your opponents can use TM/Tutor/Egg moves to give their Pokemon useful STAB and coverage options.
Stop shilling your shitty hack like you did here with Crystal (takes a shit all over it's) Legacy.
Zard had it pretty rough but was okay, Benisaur was probably a better choice, and would shine if you agreed no psychics. Both were better than Blastoise. Raichu was good when it got Surf.
Disregard israelitetubers, here's how the meta back then was really like https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/gameboy/367023-pokemon-red-version/faqs/20844
>Jewtubers are bad but Gamegays is better because it's the one with a literal who that's favoring MY argument.
go back.
Don't miss this if you can... The guy was a turbo-autist
>N-no you need to listen to some israelite who wasn't even born when the game was already solved by Azure Heights
Post nose
>no, no, NO! you need to listen to some dated ancient guide because I said so!
Funny that even that link list Venuchump as a mediocre grass starter. Chadrizard and Chadtoise clears it despite not being the best.
All the gen 1 starters are good. Go to johtoddlers unovaborts and paldeaphiles if you wanna fight who's the worst one
don't forget kalos and galar
Zard was better than most other fire types, Shlomo. Blastoise was screwed over by special not being split yet.
>Surf
>Blizzard
>Strength or Body Slam
>Dig or Earthquake
glhf
Water had a shitload of good mons even back then that could outcompete Blastoise for a spot on a comp team. Fire and grass barely had anything that could match a starter.
>Actually caring about competitive pokemon
>Actually being a spineless chickenshit
>yawngay turns out to be a israelite and scared shitless of getting his arse kicked
Yeah, I'm not surprised
>(insert schizophrenic assblasted smoggie greentext)
Y'all homies just gonna ignore that the NPC trainers are complete jokes if you don't give the mons OK level up moves?
NPC trainers aren't insular.
Unless you're going back to the Poke Center after every single battle you're going to be fighting three or four back to back on most routes.
Giving them busted Pokemon would just make the game needlessly frustrating.
So instead you'll just have a bunch of filler content that provides no actual gameplay in exchange for XP on your way to the next gym where the actual boss still has garbage moves and is also a fricking joke
>filler content
I find it hard to believe your team won't get at least a little worn down after so many fights back to back.
An NPC trainer might not kill one of your mons but it'll still chip off a bit of health that'll make the next fight marginally harder, and as you stack more and more of these up the more likely it is that you do lose a mon or even get totally swept by the proceeding encounters.
Also I don't know why you say the gym leaders have garbage move sets when Koga is literally stallmaxxing.
>Moves of two types that are annoying but not actually dangerous that loses to the monkeybrain "hit hard and fast" strategem
Yeah that's a gen 1 team
Can you think of a single gym leader throughout the entire series that this doesn't apply to?
>But the other games are shit too!!
Yes, yes they are
Why are you here exactly?
bw elesa
test
It is true, but I think people are too obsessed with every typing having a strong STAB option.
Like in Gen 1, ghosts and dragons were used more for their defensive properties with ghost being immune to the best typing in the game and fighting, while dragon resists the three starter types.
I don't agree with some of his choices. There are better ways of buffing Pokemon or giving them a niche without resorting to fanfic-tier stuff and completely altering many moves.
To be fair
I don’t think pokemon needing TMs to be strong is a problem
It’s part of gen 1’s design philosophy
>dude just use these single use TMs to "fix" this one pokemon on your team!!
There are 50 TMs and you can only use 6 Pokemon, how is this an issue?
Literally half the TMs are useless (more than half if you don't use Mew)
Yes a lot of them are pretty shit for no reason. Some of it makes sense from the perspective of a single player game (Onix) but some of it is pretty baffling. Aerodactyl doesn't learn any rock moves until gen 3
reminder that gen 1 has a tm for softboiled and only chansey and mew can learn it