Yup. He is 1 dimension, boring and badly written and the only people who cling to him are rejects like because they are blind and then
People who don't like Zenos don't understand what he is meant to embody: a satire of the hardcore/terminally online playerbase.
People that rush to finish content as soon as it comes out, and then languish in boredom and whine on the forums about how nobody caters to them.
The savage raiders that are pushing from day 1 (or as soon as their mods are updated for current patch lmao)
The omni-crafters that are barreling through new recipes and dogpiling nodes the second servers are up.
These people, bereft of the joys of enjoying the ride and forming social bonds, find solace and purpose in climbing the ever-growing peak; spinning the hamster wheel as fast as they possibly can.
Zenos is these people, and to a lesser extent, all players. Which is why, at the very end, you can finally choose to admit that his point of view isn't entirely untrue. Lot of people b***hed about not having the option to walk away from him. Personally I couldn't agree less. Walking away from him without a fight is the biggest disservice and destruction of character for both yourself and him.
"muh high IQ, U just dont understand!!11!" homosexuals who try to find justification and attach some element of "deep meaning" to where there is none. Which tbf explains a lot about the xiv playerbase's taste considering the vast majority are mentally ill.
Base game Ardyn is actually a great character. He is also a great character in his DLC.
However all of that is completely thrown out the window with the god awful DLC ending where Bahamut tells him to act evil for a prophecy and he is forced to do it. He was a very neat character when he was a betrayed Christ figure seeking revenge on the kingdom and power structure that shunned him, he is NOT a neat character when that entire revenge plot isn't done by means of his own motives but because a dragon forced him to.
I only played the original and none of the DLC, probably the only thing I remember most about that game. Great villain origin story, to bad the rest of the game sucked.
I had to google who Ardyn was. I played 15. That's how memorable he was.
I only played the original and none of the DLC, probably the only thing I remember most about that game. Great villain origin story, to bad the rest of the game sucked.
what is it about yoship that caused such a large cult of personality to form around him?
literally anything he says or does gets xiv players calling him "based"
even the most devout console wariors, blizzdrones, pcbros, etc have never gone out of their way to praise a single guy as some sort of god
but thats a joke, gaben hardly ever did anything and none of the posting around him had anything to do with what he did, it was just to stir up pc vs console shit
He literally tells players not to obsess over XIV and to feel welcome to socialize with friends, play other games, have other hobbies. That was refreshing, especially during the timeframe when the industry was so focused on games-as-a-service, to keep players feeling obligated to play games they may not want to, but felt the need to to not miss anything, to maximize profitability. Additionally, he took what a was a sinking boat in 1.0, and whether you like it or not, came up with the idea that salvaged the world and lore which reintroduced the game into a new version of itself that has been more successful in the long run than I question SE may have considered before the shortcomings of 1.0 became obvious.
It is entirely subjective, but between the moments he has expressed his personal feelings whether it be about Soken as a friend and colleague, or the friend who was a friend of his who passed away, and their battle with cancer, it revealed a degree of giving a shit at a human level that I don't recall seeing out of other game or corporate execs, or any type of public figure. After watching him in Live Letters over the years, he is charismatic, seems liked by his colleagues, and god knows if he were mistreating his subordinates, we would have heard of it by now. He is probably old enough to almost be a grandfather, yet he looks like he is stylized by a pack of lesbians, and that cracks me up. There is nothing particularly special or exceptional about him. I think it just so happens that in the industry he works in, what should otherwise be a low bar to hit (not being a soulless piece of shit), isn't, but he hits it. On top of that, I have spent a larger portion of my life enjoying the game that he led the development of, more than the vast majority of other games I have played in my lifetime. So yeah, I think favorably about him, and talk him up occasionally.
Anon, OP asked a question, so I gave an answer. Would you be willing to describe which parts came off as freakish, or unreasonable? I tried to give a full answer, otherwise I expected to get "thats not a good reason" but now that I did, "these freaks." It almost seems like a no win scenario for me. I'd be more than happy to have an actual conversation if you have any actual interest in that.
He literally tells players not to obsess over XIV and to feel welcome to socialize with friends, play other games, have other hobbies. That was refreshing, especially during the timeframe when the industry was so focused on games-as-a-service, to keep players feeling obligated to play games they may not want to, but felt the need to to not miss anything, to maximize profitability. Additionally, he took what a was a sinking boat in 1.0, and whether you like it or not, came up with the idea that salvaged the world and lore which reintroduced the game into a new version of itself that has been more successful in the long run than I question SE may have considered before the shortcomings of 1.0 became obvious.
It is entirely subjective, but between the moments he has expressed his personal feelings whether it be about Soken as a friend and colleague, or the friend who was a friend of his who passed away, and their battle with cancer, it revealed a degree of giving a shit at a human level that I don't recall seeing out of other game or corporate execs, or any type of public figure. After watching him in Live Letters over the years, he is charismatic, seems liked by his colleagues, and god knows if he were mistreating his subordinates, we would have heard of it by now. He is probably old enough to almost be a grandfather, yet he looks like he is stylized by a pack of lesbians, and that cracks me up. There is nothing particularly special or exceptional about him. I think it just so happens that in the industry he works in, what should otherwise be a low bar to hit (not being a soulless piece of shit), isn't, but he hits it. On top of that, I have spent a larger portion of my life enjoying the game that he led the development of, more than the vast majority of other games I have played in my lifetime. So yeah, I think favorably about him, and talk him up occasionally.
>There is nothing particularly special or exceptional about him. I think it just so happens that in the industry he works in, what should otherwise be a low bar to hit (not being a soulless piece of shit), isn't, but he hits it.
This is the key.
When WoL will eventually absorb real Golbez soul he'll unlock Azems future sight ability where he see vision of a greater threat than Endsinger. Using the Source's moon he travel to other shards where Azem souls is conveniently sealed or is the antagonist being manipulated by a remaining Ascian of that shard.
Personally the Azem crystal breaking next patch would be the best thing that could happen. With the climax of the next expansion being WoL summoning his buddies without it.
>Personally the Azem crystal breaking next patch would be the best thing that could happen
Can't happen soon enough holy frick.
Why?
It serves as a canonized duty finder and lets you find dudes where it would be ridiculous to find them otherwise and equally ridiculous to fight the boss solo.
>be villain >bored with life and missing his best friend >apocalipse happens, monsters show up >this dude gets up his chair and goes to the lair of satan, punches a hole in her home >laughs at her face and call her a b***h >saves the whole universe >BECAUSE HE WAS FRICKING BORED AND WANTED TO SPAR WITH HIS BESTIE
>Remember us. Remember that we once lived… Also remember to watch out for that crazy guy Fandaniel. His pet bird caused the final days. I was there with my good friend Hythlodaeus and we ran into you because you got sent to the past by our good friend Elidibus. We went there to meet our good friend Hermes and his pet bird. Hermes's bird was capable of destroying entire planets because she had emotion energy, a concept so advanced only Hermes and an elephant knew it existed. Hermes was going to let the bird destroy our planet because he wanted to do an experiment. And then he was going to memory wipe all of us until Venat flew in on her magical dog and escaped with you. She then for some reason decided not to tell anyone about what happened and instead doomed us all to die, including our good friend Azem who fell into a Volcano while trying to find the source of the noise even though Venat knew all along because she put a magic microchip on Hermes’s bird. She then became Hydaelyn and sundered the world because a bunch of weak humans who die after 80 years were better equipped to deal with the threat than immortal gods who could create whatever they wanted at will. Except the only “human” that could actually stand up to Meteion was 9/14ths of our good friend Azem who also needed Hydaelyns blessing to survive along with my great-grandson Zenos Viator Galvus who had Hydaelyns blessing too, except his was reverse-engineered in a Garlean laboratory. And he was a good friend.
Never understood this copypasta.
It's gibberish for anyone that hasn't played, and completely nonsensical for those who have.
Any point it tries to make is countered by the in game story or has been answered by the devs themselves.
I find the "Only an elephant knew about it" part funny but even then it's not like Nidhana being an elephant person takes away the fact she's a famous national-level alchemist who makes some of the biggest discoveries in the setting. Everything else is mostly just dumb shit that's reaching hard to make the story sound worse than it is by saying everything in a ridiculing tone.
It's like people who insist Meteion was a bad "villain" (if you can really call her the villain) and when asked why they will just say it's because she's a bird girl. As if that's somehow an inherently bad design.
Meteion is a bad villain because she's just a much worse Seymour. What I mean by that is that both are essentially avatars for the same idea, but Meteion is a naïve blank slate whereas Seymour is a character with more history and experience. With Seymour it was his own life that led him to those ideas, whereas for Meteion she was purely influenced by the will of others, meaning she was more a tool, which undermines the seriousness of the existentialism to begin with since it's basically just misleading a child.
Also Meteion doesn't try to frick your girlfriend, so she's nowhere near as fun to beat up.
That's not entirely true.
Meteion is an extension of Hermes's will, and he ultimately reaches the same conclusion as Meteion through his actual experiences.
Meteion is an avatar for Hermes more than she is an avatar for the unseen corpses out in the universe.
You could say that, but at the same time this wasn't wholly Hermes' will at the time, since he also wanted to defend the planet as part of the "test".
Anyway my point is that Meteion is an empty shell, a vessel for fatalism. Whether that's Hermes' or the universe more generally.
>meaning she was more a tool, which undermines the seriousness of the existentialism to begin with since it's basically just misleading a child.
But that was the point. Meteion is a blank canvas. She didn't reach those conclusions on her own, she's not a character who has an ideology she decides to push on everyone else. She's just a representation of the despair of the universe, and on a smaller scale, Hermes' own ideology. If there's any actual moment that can be taken from Meteion as her own actual person who has an opinion and makes decisions of her own, it's the moment the Scions give her their reasons to live and the moment WoL reaches out to her at the edge of the universe and lets her share in his feelings and experiences, because that's the first moment where she's actually experiencing enough things with enough variety to form her own identity. Put simply, it's the first time someone colors the canvas in more than one color, and thus now that canvas can actually decide which does it like better.
>She's just a representation of the despair of the universe,
That's my point. I don't find this a compelling antagonist, because it's simply conflict with a formless, baseless idea, not informed by the antagonist's own character. This is why people argue that Meteion herself isn't even the villain at all, because despite being the impetus for the entire plot, nothing is even her fault directly as a person.
Put another way, Kuja is obviously the prime antagonist of FF9, whereas Necron is just the embodiment of the main theme of the game. I don't think anybody can argue that Kuja is the better villain even though Necron stands for everything the player has been fighting against.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>This is why people argue that Meteion herself isn't even the villain at all
Well... yeah. She's not the villain. She's the villain's tool.
I mean, would you say the meteor in FF7 was a shit villain because it's motivation was to crash into a planet?
11 months ago
Anonymous
But you don't fight the Meteor at the end of FF7, you fight Sephiroth.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>She's not the villain. She's the villain's tool.
That's the point. This is why people just describe her as "a bird".
11 months ago
Anonymous
She's not even the villain's toll though. Hermes was just a sad boy curious about the nature of existence. At his worst he is just a chaotic mad scientist, unironically just asking questions. The villain is the hypothesized natured of existence that is manifested through Meteion.
Despair was the real villain of 14
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's exactly what I was saying, thanks for reiterating the same thing as though you were disagreeing with me.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>this wasn't wholly Hermes' will at the time, since he also wanted to defend the planet as part of the "test".
wrong
Metion was designed to return a result hermes wanted
why else design a creature who can speak with the dead
when the point was to find out peoples reason to live
>meaning she was more a tool, which undermines the seriousness of the existentialism to begin with since it's basically just misleading a child.
But that was the point. Meteion is a blank canvas. She didn't reach those conclusions on her own, she's not a character who has an ideology she decides to push on everyone else. She's just a representation of the despair of the universe, and on a smaller scale, Hermes' own ideology. If there's any actual moment that can be taken from Meteion as her own actual person who has an opinion and makes decisions of her own, it's the moment the Scions give her their reasons to live and the moment WoL reaches out to her at the edge of the universe and lets her share in his feelings and experiences, because that's the first moment where she's actually experiencing enough things with enough variety to form her own identity. Put simply, it's the first time someone colors the canvas in more than one color, and thus now that canvas can actually decide which does it like better.
>life is suffering therefore I will kill everyone to prevent their suffering
Don't most Final Fantasy big bads use this rationale? I know it was Necron's motive also.
There is no misleading.
Entelechy are dynamis creatures, which means they exist in a polarized state where their state can be influenced by the dynamis around them.
That's also why she wasn't a villain. She was more just a vehicle for a cosmic force of apathy, emotional entropy and dread.
She didn't choose to become what she did, she was sent out in space and had her entire existence shifted by the combined despair and sorrow of the universe, which caused a snowball effect with her visiting more doom and gloom to other planets, in turn fostering more negative dynamis.
Something that isn't brought much is how Gaius being magiklet managed to body 2 red masks, wether he destroyed em for good or not, he still managed to beat their bodies enough to grab their masks and spit on their graves.
With no Echo, no Golden Magitek armor, nothing but sheer fricking rage
Nabriales was one of the weaker Ascian, but it still took a lot just to beat him and Tupsimati to destroy his soul. Makes you wonder just how strong he is
it was developed for endwalker, in some garlean area i believe. Bozja came in a late patch so they just stuck it there too. war mech isn't even a villain, just a defense robot in FF1's sky fortress.
People who don't like Zenos don't understand what he is meant to embody: a satire of the hardcore/terminally online playerbase.
People that rush to finish content as soon as it comes out, and then languish in boredom and whine on the forums about how nobody caters to them.
The savage raiders that are pushing from day 1 (or as soon as their mods are updated for current patch lmao)
The omni-crafters that are barreling through new recipes and dogpiling nodes the second servers are up.
These people, bereft of the joys of enjoying the ride and forming social bonds, find solace and purpose in climbing the ever-growing peak; spinning the hamster wheel as fast as they possibly can.
Zenos is these people, and to a lesser extent, all players. Which is why, at the very end, you can finally choose to admit that his point of view isn't entirely untrue. Lot of people b***hed about not having the option to walk away from him. Personally I couldn't agree less. Walking away from him without a fight is the biggest disservice and destruction of character for both yourself and him.
>Walking away from him without a fight is the biggest disservice and destruction of character for both yourself and him.
Nah, man. You're just a pussy.
>They're all either comically stupid or inept by design.
That's literally every Final Fantasy villain anon. What makes every game in the franchise dumb fun is because it's masterclass melodrama.
you missed the point of that line.
the point is that after the atrocities and horrors zenos' leadership caused, there isn't a reason that could ever be good enough to justify it.
His point is that if you're easily forgiving of the most fricked shit on earth because someone gives a "we had to for the greater good", then you're basically at animal moral intelligence.
It's a bit like that Dune line like "a trapped animal will gnaw off its own limb to escape and survive"
A 'greater good' reason for the sorts of shit that Garlemald had enacted upon others and suffered upon itself is only accepted by animals who think only of survival.
To add to this, he's sort of throwing it back in the face of the players' relationship towards Emet Selch and some of the other XIV villains that they find their causes worthy of at least sympathy because of the intent.
Zenos is making fun of the characters and the players for thinking intent matters when it comes to acting out horrible terrors on others. He's obviously needling Julius for his brainwashing but he's also shitting on the general tendency to worship "morally ambiguous" villains
you missed the point of that line.
the point is that after the atrocities and horrors zenos' leadership caused, there isn't a reason that could ever be good enough to justify it.
His point is that if you're easily forgiving of the most fricked shit on earth because someone gives a "we had to for the greater good", then you're basically at animal moral intelligence.
It's a bit like that Dune line like "a trapped animal will gnaw off its own limb to escape and survive"
A 'greater good' reason for the sorts of shit that Garlemald had enacted upon others and suffered upon itself is only accepted by animals who think only of survival.
You morons are projecting. When he meant isn't that "there can be no reason to justify what I've done", it's instead "I don't need to justify anything I do, and no matter what I said you wouldn't care anyway."
Imagine if Zenos was actually a super secret good guy who destroyed Garlemald to save the world - It doesn't matter one bit to Jullus. No reason Zenos' could possibly give would ever ameliorate himself in Jullus' eyes. So Zenos' doesn't care, because why should he? He's 100% self-motivated, he doesn't believe in any sort of moral omniscience judging his actions, he only believes in himself and his own desires. So Jullus' protestations are just a joke, the mewling of the vanquished that couldn't do anything himself. He doesn't even deserve an answer unless he can forcibly hold Zenos' to account, and if he could then Zenos' answer wouldn't matter anyway because then he himself would be the powerless nothing character to Jullus' lead actor, just as worthless to Jullus as Jullus is to him.
Yeah except that isn't the state of Garlemald. Between purposefully turning the people into monsters, starving out common citizens and turning the military on itself, not to mention the shit they did to OTHER countries, there's no motivation that could ever adequately justify everything that had been done.
In your interpretation of the line, Zenos would have no reason to say Jullus would be akin to the Terminal Beasts if he had accepted a 'good' reason. The whole point is that he's making fun of how thoughtless Jullus (and, by extension, all of Garlemald) was for being brainwashed into basically doing whatever the Emperor told them to. It's also why he follows up that bit with how virtues like duty or honor are wrappers for the real reasons people fight and conquer each other.
Daily. Day 1 is always rest because testing needs to start. The group doing it makes a bunch of shit on alt accounts to see how the numbers come in, and use that to calculate the pattern that's going to emerge. By Friday the entire rest of the week will be known. Usually this info gets dumped in a reddit thread that's updated through the week, but since that's on the fritz the only place to get the results is on their discord. A lot of people don't want to deal with that shit, so I screenshotted it to post here. This is all just for optimal profit, so really there's nothing wrong with looking at the upcoming supply and demand and winging it.
The guy running that stopped updating because the addition of a fourth workshop makes the fields larger than the bot he uses to post are allowed to be.
why do I have to get the rangedBlack folk that never push the fricking crystal and just sit back and watch??? is this rng??? this game fricking sucks so much.
>contest the point as a black mage >instantly get targeted by their entire team
Just let me stay comfy at max range and I'll freeze the enemy for you happily anon
>destroyed the Black Rose threat that would have killed the WoL >saved the WoL from being killed by Endsinger >made sure that the Endsinger couldn't escape the final fight
Zenos did more for the WoL than any of the Scions did
>Vauthry
homie he was specifically meant to represent the antithesis of Alphinaux and Zenos. The whole reason he's called Innocence without being "forgiven" is because he is the worst elements of both flipping on their head.
We're not going to each Shard t get Azem's soul instead we're going to the bad future to absorb that shard to be even more complete and surpass og Azem. We'll also meet that version's Emet and Elidibus. It'll be great
zenos is a joke character that isnt funny
i wouldve respected him if the final 1v1 with him was actually a fun challenge but ofc XIV has to cater to braindead morons that get filtered by things like pre nerf garlemald
I went into xiv expecting one of the best stories of all time from the hype
It gave me unreal expectations it could not meet
it ended up being a boring slog, which I stopped at the end of HW.
>Is Zenos the worst villian of ffxiv of all time?
It's hard to say because I did hate him in SB, and I even more hated the fact that they brought him back to live.
BUT
The very fact that this autist traveled to the edge of the universe just to 1v1 you is incredibly fricking kino and I wouldn't have it any other way
It's even better that he sees the doom bird and just goes "lmao what's this homosexual shit? Let's just fricking kill this moron so we can have our kino battle!"
I hope not. Ascianwank has to end. That part of the story is over. Bringing them back (even if indirectly) over and over will just sour everything that came before.
Ascians and Ancients will never go away. They are too easy of a plot point to use to milk fan service, especially Emet, Hythlo and Elidibus.
Also there's like 5 or 6 sundered Ascians that are still alive out there and there's no way they won't ever have us bump into them.
I liked him in SB because I enjoy antagonists that are in your face often causing problems. I don't enjoy antagonists that are somewhere off in the distance not doing anything which is exactly what he spent most of the time in EW being.
In Stormblood yeah, but the end of Stormblood onwards, nah he's great. He shouldn't have beaten WoL multiple times, it kinda makes WoL's power level seem like unfair shounen Black persony where he just screams really loud and then he is strong, rather than being a true beacon of unbeatable power at all times. Zenos just needed better interactions to showcase his might. Losing to him serves 0 purpose when we win just because randomly out of nowhere and he doesn't stand a chance, again just because.
Azem is an emotional wreck. WoL is the stoic savior of the universe who literally cannot be provoked and forgives evil at the drop of a hat, so long as a happy ending is within reach.
>forgives evil at the drop of a hat
we killed countless evil frickers though, including venat, it don't matter if WoL feels bad about it later because he does what he needs to does
Still think he should have turned into Izanagi at the end of Stormblood instead of Shinryu.
Then have Asahi become Amaterasu alongside Yotsuyu being Tsukuyomi to bring it full circle.
He’s a simple villain who doesn’t have some tragic backstory or sob story which tries to redeem him. He’s pretty much the walking trope of a battle autist who only lives for the thrill of a good fight and I can appreciate that. I also liked the parallels he drew with the WoL in that maybe if he had a good group around him he could have been like you. I don’t think it’ll ever happen but I hope he joins the Scions at some point or whatever group the WoL has supporting them in the future just to see how he would interact with a regular group.
He was good in Stormblood, he was terrible in Shadowbringers, he was based as frick in Endwalker and arguably massively improved.
Depicting him as this bizarre thematic foil to your character adverse to the nihilism Meteion and the other birds rambled on about whilst still maintaining his singular obsession with just having a fight to the death with you was fantastic. It kept his character largely the same yet his willpower to just want to have a fight with you pushed Meteion and her misery to the side like a distraction in the climax.
At the end of the day, what were they trying to tell with him? Rivalries with one another, ultimately serves to better one another? Even in the face of annihilation, he didn't give a shit about you chasing some universe ending threat, he just wanted a fight with you. And he respected you enough to help you kick the shit out of the villain. Absolutely giga based.
they were trying to show that there were answers to the question of existence, at least for Zenos.
NOTHING, no cosmic apocalypses or his own death, could deter him from his goals in life, even for all his evil actions, his singular drive to fulfill his own personal goal/quest was a complete refutation of Meteion/Endsinger.
its why HE is the final fight, not Endsinger, and even though no one but you will ever even know of the fight of his life, it had meaning, and merit and worth, just for him, and he died accepting it, even if he still would like to do it again.
Gaia wouldn't since she's not actually from the First, though we probably would have to get her somewhere safe first. I dunno how it'd work with Ryne, she's a special case.
>we get Gaia and Ryne back
The moment we get Gaia and Ryne in the MSQ long-term as Scions or pseudo-Scions, I'm going to count down the minutes until the first complaints roll in of "WAAAH WHEN ARE THEY DYING/BEING WRITTEN OUT?? THEY'RE BORING GAIA JUST SNARKS ALL THE TIME AND RYNE IS JUST TOO NAIVE WHAT ARE THEY EVEN DOING HERE THEY SERVE NO PURPOSE"
>The moment we get Gaia and Ryne in the MSQ long-term as Scions or pseudo-Scions, I'm going to count down the minutes until the first complaints roll in of "WAAAH WHEN ARE THEY DYING/BEING WRITTEN OUT?? THEY'RE BORING GAIA JUST SNARKS ALL THE TIME AND RYNE IS JUST TOO NAIVE WHAT ARE THEY EVEN DOING HERE THEY SERVE NO PURPOSE"
Imagine thinking that instead of literally using the diminished but still significant presence of Light in the First, and transferring it to the Thirteenth to bring a bit of balance to both, just like Y'Shtola hints to at the end of 6.4 MSQ.
zenos is a great villain unless you need every villain to be a fedora tipping grey thanos marvel quipper, hes a classical villain like frieza, and hes a perfect counterpart to the other villains in the game like emet who are more like what you want
I don't even like Zenos, but Emet-Selch was a mistake.
Now every pledditor needs every villain character to be "le misunderstood tragic old emaciated theater gay"
>Lo, thou art exaggerating my condition. Twas merely a moment of respite I chose to afford mine eyes. The Lunar surface is lacking in aerial moisture, and for that reason I decided to offer them liquid succor.
>Prithee, refrain from undue aspersions, mine comrade. I did but grant mine eyes momentary repose— thus must I inform you that mine lucidity hath ne'er been in doubt. Forsooth, it doth hearten me to learn that mine haleness concerneth you so.
As the anon who wrote the first one, well fricking done. I concede to you anon.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I re-read it and realized that "you" should be "thee". Motherfricker loves his thees.
Thank you, though. His diction makes my brain bleed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>His diction makes my brain bleed.
As the friend among my friends who often gets hit with "say it shorter" or the "20 words or less" gif, I adore it, especially because the writers are obviously having fun with it now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah, I enjoy it.
I just don't enjoy trying to ape it.
It's fun how you eventually just start understanding him the more you are exposed to him.
11 months ago
Anonymous
11 months ago
Anonymous
URIANGER NO THAT'S THE VESTIGES OF MOENBRYDA'S SOUL IN THERE BEGGING FOR RELEASE
11 months ago
Anonymous
>His diction makes my brain bleed.
As the friend among my friends who often gets hit with "say it shorter" or the "20 words or less" gif, I adore it, especially because the writers are obviously having fun with it now.
>Learning that most of the other languages don't actually have Urianger speaking markedly different from everyone else.
Fricking soulless dude. It's actually kind of silly just how much his character wins just from this one quirk. Honestly even makes me wonder if the scene where Y'shtola asks him to describe the night sky is half as moving if he's not known for talking flowery.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Learning that most of the other languages don't actually have Urianger speaking markedly different from everyone else.
Look, I'm only going with picrel because I don't have Tesleen turning, or Meteion going dark saved.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Here ya go anon
11 months ago
Anonymous
god damn who gave meteion the sugar cubes again
11 months ago
Anonymous
Perfect. THAT is my reaction to that discovery.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah. I don't think Urianger would be as memorable without that quirk.
Not that he needs it to be a good character, but in the early days, it's definitely what makes people pay attention to him.
Wait a fricking second, that means the whole dilemma of "now that Hydaelyn isn't here the shards might destabilize blah blah blah" doesn't actually apply at all. At most it will be just the Source and the Thirteenth that are destabilizing now, everywhere else has it's own Hydaelyn to keep things steady.
I do honestly believe this was a mistranslation or some sort of miscommunication.
There is no other mention of this and it just doesn't make sense given the context.
Not sure what the deal with that is, but it doesn't line up with anything else. Venat never even mentions it herself, and we've already seen that there is only one Hydaelyn and no others.
I thought Venat was unsundered, which is why while she remained on the Source, she had Voice of the Mother able to move about the different Shards to act as her singular representative. If she had a aspect on each Shard, Thancred could have been hanging out with Minfilia while First Minfilia was helping out the Warriors of Darkness.
>Hydaelyn is sundered
I CAN STILL FRICK HER?! >But killing her in the source killed the other Hs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>I will destroy everything just to fight the WoL >Why? Because I just feel like it
He's literally the best villain. His motivation is because it's fun.
People like Zenos, but not because of him specifically. He's carried by the fact that the "villain turned obsessive rival who just wants a proper 1v1" trope is kino by default
With every day that passes, I feel more and more like Shadowbringers was the expansion for people who wanted to feel smart and receive a pat on the back for understanding things that were quite literally just stated to them outright. (With them already ignoring the undertones of things like the third sacrifice)
Then, when Endwalker appeared and required them to think just a *little* bit for themselves, they started whining that it didn't make any sense.
This, coming from the same sort of person that thought phantom Amaurot was just mental masturbation and denied for like a year that Hades threw the fight, healed WoL on purpose, and set up the entire Azem crystal plot in advance.
If you were here at the time you know, these arguments of "you just don't understand" have gone around for years. Another prime example is the debate around the nature of Elidibus post-Zodiark, where some people thought he was himself removed from Zodiark, whereas others thought he was a Primal copy of Elidibus created by Zodiark, based on Y'shtola's accusations against him in 5.3. It's the same thing with the Hades stuff, people refused to think beyond the most basic elements of the text so long as it fit a narrative.
My point is that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
It's true that Shadowbringers' main story and message is super straightforward. Even Emet as a character is spoonfed to people.
Sure, you can fumble a little beyond that and consider the details and the subtext, but Shadowbringers fundamentally is super simplistic.
Right, so you can just say what that simplicity all is, can't you? What was the main story and message, and what was Emet's spoonfed character?
11 months ago
Anonymous
I get the feeling I upset you.
Do you really feel like Shadowbringers tells a complicated tale at all? One that requires contemplation to process?
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm just asking you what you think. I've talked to a lot of people who themselves said it was simple, but would also go on to argue things that were completely contradictory with the story. I've had people tell me that the idea of passing on a legacy isn't even a theme that exists in the narrative.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Passing on a legacy in what sense?
The people/Ironworks from G'raha's timeline to G'raha?
Emet-Selch to the WoL?
Minfilia to Ryne?
Etc, etc.
11 months ago
Anonymous
All of the above. There are people who will deny all of that purely because it's part of a picture that includes how Emet-Selch wanted to believe WoL and humanity could inherit the future from the ancients, and set things up to allow for that outcome. For example many people still deny that he recognized WoL had Azem's soul based on his shock in the finale, despite his statement in Lakeland, because from their point of view he was always a straightforward villain that purely looked down on WoL and only wanted to use him to do the calamity.
Of course part of that is true, but what I'm getting at is that - if you're that original guy - You're ascribing a level of pseudism towards Shadowbringers even when it was actually filtering people in the same way that you say Endwalker required people to think a little and it supposedly didn't.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That seems weird, because he was always posited as "le tragic villain." People don't generally treat Emet just as a smug, smarmy thoroughly evil bastard. They treat him as the hero of his own play, fighting what is in his eyes a righteous cause. Of all the interpretations of Emet-Selch, those are by far the most ubiquitous in my experience. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone takes notice of his tentative suicide-by-WoL plan and that he was ultimately fatigued and crumpling under the weight of his burdens, sorrow and solitude after eons of being surrounded by two types of pale imitations of the people he loved so dearly on a daily basis (the Sundered, and Elidibus and Lahabrea who went coo coo in their own ways)
You can always overanalyze stuff, and I'm not even saying that those analyses are wrong or coming to nonexistent conclusions, but the point is that you can consume Shadowbringer's story fairly easily at face value and still be mostly right about what transpired.
It doesn't take a genius to understand what Shadowbringers was mostly about, but a lot of Shadowbringers fans do appear to me as if they pretending it's some elevated form of fiction that can only be properly parsed by the most discerning of minds.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>People don't generally treat Emet just as a smug, smarmy thoroughly evil bastard.
"People" if you have a selective memory. There were a lot of people with exactly that idea of the character, it was all everyone was arguing about forever almost until Endwalker released. The arguments that persist now are actually all evolutions of the "sides" that formed during that original argument, between the people that thought Emet was "the hero of his own story" and the people that thought he was scum. As it became more and more obvious in the patches (and ultimately in EW) that the writers didn't actually intend him to just be an evil butthole, the debate shifted from that into the question not just of whether he was right from his own perspective, but to whether or not he was right from a more distant perspective. Once it became "us vs them" a lot of people went full moron and refuse to understand what each other are saying or where they're coming from.
>whereas others thought he was a Primal copy of Elidibus created by Zodiark,
Different anon here; this theory fails to acknowledge the fact that by the time we encounter elidibus, he and zodiark are the same entity. There is no "creating a copy" because zodiark is elidibus is zodiark.
Then again, XIV has an unusually high concentration of people who choose to ignore facts and present their own ideas as irrefutable truths.
>Different anon here; this theory fails to acknowledge the fact that by the time we encounter elidibus, he and zodiark are the same entity. There is no "creating a copy" because zodiark is elidibus is zodiark.
What leads you to say that? Clearly Elidibus and Zodiark were distinct entities.
Even if Hermes didn't stop Emet and co and erased their memories it would be too late since the other Mitea were already corrupted by Universal Despair and have reached the same conclusion
Yeah, that's why there was ultimately no point in trying to track her down, beat her up and take her back to Etheirys. It'd just be one Meteion vs the entire swarm, which no one would be able to locate because the GPS-tracked Meteion would be stuck on Etheirys.
Wait, wait, wait. Was he actually doing that kissy face in the actual cutscene? I thought that was some facecam meme. Please tell me it's just screenshotting at a really unfortunate frame and not that he literally makes kissy faces.
>lol i just needed to eat a lot of aether to space travel to the other side of the galaxy
god i hope this game survives long enough for people to recognize endwalker story sucked monkey dick
fat fricking chance
the older endwalker the gets, the more any flaws with it get brushed over and forgotten and only the positives remain
hell, it already happened with shadowbringers, which had plenty of lows and pacing issues, but people rarely ever mention them other than "le meme trolley" because they only remember the good parts
>Go to Crystarium's library >Watch cutscene about the lore of 'Minfilia' in the 1st
That's around when it peaked for me. The sheer potential of where they could've gone with the story was nuts.
He was much more interesting than the absolute trite that is the ancient fujo/gay pandering we have now
Emet was fine, great even, but in classic XIV manner they milked what made his arc so captivating to the point where Elpis/Pandaemonium almost seemed like a parody at times
I can only hope 7.0 truly is a clean slate and we can get a fresh cast of both villains and heroes without the constant tirade of making artificial tearjerkers for ancient fujos
>a clean slate >implying they'd do that
The twitter XIV troons who consume $30 cashshop mounts would have suicidal breakdowns if their garbage WoL shipbait scion doesn't get ample screen time
Note how I'm not even mentioning any specific character because several apply to this
Man, I don't even want them to toss out the scions forever. Let them pursue their own personal shit out of the spotlight, even for just one (1) expansion, and then they can come back. Hell, make it a big deal. Have a whole 'getting the gang back together' arc. You can even do a huge marketing thing to reel people back in: OMG the scions are coming bakk!! get Hype!1!!
Please Yoshi I'm begging
How it went with Emet reminds me bit of the new eva movies where all the fricked up personality and history of the cast gets laundered to be happy ending. Except Eva turning out that way was probably because of Anno being fricked in the head and feeling guilty about his creations rather than to cater to the audience
I don't understand why people point things out like this, and say XIV isn't FF when it is so chock full of references and homages to the mainline that came before it.
after playing the ffxvi demo i cant get out of my head how fricking kino ffxiv could be if it wasnt held back by its ps3 engine and 5 dollar animation budget
>she tries to open stable gates between the source, first, and thirteenth to balance shit between the two shards >it goes fricking haywire and stops the frickup between the local portals by letting the energy loose in some other direction >it blows through every other remaining shard instead and insta-calamities them >thus we have the new threat of all that energy rushing back into the source, and the excuse for why SE will never need to make assets for those places
I think Zenos as a character only makes sense if he was a woman. Final Fantasy is more able to make sense of a battle-thirsty, nihilistic woman than a (you)-sexual, smooth talking pretty boy.
Thinking about it, revealing that 7.0 is gonna be some expedition basically murdered my expectations for that "big world altering event" in 6.5. Because it's surely not gonna be that big or alter the world a whole lote if the immediate next step is just going on some random scholarly expedition that's not even getting cancelled after said event.
>WoL, Y'shtola and Estinien all sitting at the beach in Thavnair in the middle-late section of 6.5, just staring at the waves, after literally everything went perfectly fine and there were no more plot twist. >"...so that was all..." >"Just a big waste of time, yeah." >"No payoff." >"Nope." >Zero in the background jumping up and down under a palm tree trying to grab some fruit.
the whole point of 7.0 not having a pivot in patches is so they can give a fresh start to newplayers that get filtered in zodiark arc.
a build up would cuck this
7.0 will be the most vanilla "adventure" ever and only halfway in the xpac we will find some sort of threat
I mean I'm ok with that as long as they don't make it boring, I had a lot of fun with 6.1, but this whole patch story has really just been building up stakes and constantly going >Just wait for it! All this build up will be worth it!
which isn't even really the kind of story I anticipated after 6.1, and now it's all looking like it's gonna fall short from what was hyped up anyway. However this story ends can't probably be that big of a deal if next expansion is just back to 6.1 style comfy adventures and world building.
yeah, my gripes with the patches too.
5 patches to build up zeromus is too much when the patches are only void stuff.
it's very hard to make it pay off and I dont think it will, unless we make some sort of shit where the void and the first merge or something, even if we just fix the void, it will be a "just" moment, no great build up for the next xpac, just a self contained adventure that should've been side content
>The Azem crystal will be completely spent fixing whatever 6.5 causes
Yep it's gonna be kino.
11 months ago
Anonymous
if it happens >Ishikawa throws a tantrum about her creations being destroyed once again >gets Hiro demoted
That crystal must go for the sake of the story
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Climax of 7.0 is WoL producing the Azem mask and summoning on their own
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it seems that by summoning the memories of Azem to defeat [insert villain name] you have spent all his essence, and with all unsundered dead you can no longer user the powers of creation magics, you are now but a simple adventurer WoL, no more powerful than your companions... it may be hard, but I am sure you will find your way around the world as one of us mere mortals.
>enough power fantasy plot armor reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
11 months ago
Anonymous
of 7.0 is WoL producing the Azem mask
That should be 6.55's climax. I'd fricking love that. Just a one time thing to never be repeated as we close out this Ascian story and welcome in 7.0's new adventure
He's actually the best villain. He's completely honest with you from that start and clear about his intentions. He only exists to fight and kill. Why does he fight and kill? Because he can and because he wants to. Why does he want to fight and kill the WoL? Because the WoL is strong.
That's it, that's the villain. No plans for galactic domination, no plans to obtain godhood, no plans to enslave hyur women. He just wanted to fight for the rest of his life. I like simple and clear villains.
Poorly
Top wiping because there's not enough people.
Middle never doing call outs and never standing on the platform so I play out the microwave hallway from MGS4, slowly crawling along paralyzed while eating every single knockback laser
Robo Diabolos oneshotting me with Death because I'm bad
Just awful all around.
It took me almost 3 months of almost all day in Bozja to get the 50 records for the 2 seater mount. Dalriada shouldn't be bothered with unless you can get 4 people, where 1 of those can go up top to solo. As for laser hallway, 2 on each side. I keep the Cure 1 spell with me for self healing (unless you play healer in there of course) because it's unlimited and costs nothing. Take care of yourself before others, stick to one side of the hallway. Ideally use the bloodletter potions, where you get healed for the damage you do and an hp buff, that helps a ton in keeping you alive. If you can't dodge though, use the guardian potion where it just buffs your defense/health.
Yes. He makes Kuja look like an actual man and his motivation is generic bad guy trope. I mainly blame it on the writers since all villains written by Japanese devs are basically the same. You just know he was created to make the himbo interns goo themselves every day because japs are perverted and make blizzard lawsuits look like a highlights magazine.
Sorry gayhomies, but this is what 7.0 will be >Calamity buildup event starts after 6.5 >7.0 is a hard reset, the source and all shards are effectively destroyed >Only surviving people are those present on the moons of the thirteenth and the source (scions and assorted side characters) >The loporrits have to take everyone to a new habitable star >New star isn't found right away >Several patches are spent on the moon and dealing with a long-lost Allagan threat present on it >This is effectively the new starting area for all new characters, though instanced >New star is found, new story begins
My dad works for atari, this is real
>After everything we did in EW the world goes to shit anyway. >And the only actual bulk of population we manage to get away with is the fricking garleans that already went to the moon.
The problem is that this would shut out all the previous content, including side quests you didn't do yet. They won't "destroy" current areas at all, just add new ones. 7.0 is dropping PS4 and giving us a graphics update.
same motivation as Zenos
I don't remember him being particularly motivated by "muh hunt" and stuff. More like he was just a bumbling goon picking fights when he thought he could win easy and get something from it and at most occasionally got hype from getting a power up, because he thought it'd make him win easy (it didn't).
Not the same motivation at all.
Grynewaht fought you multiple times because every time you defeated him, Yotsuyu's opinion of him got worse, and he was desperate to be recognized as competent.
This led to him agreeing to a horrific experiment that basically tore his sanity from him.
>Leylines >can slidecast around all you want >can even leave it and teleport back inside if necessary >Ten Chi Jin >if you need to move the slightest inch in the 6ish seconds you need to spend all your mudras it's completely wasted and your burst is ruined >BLM is known as the "turret job"
>Play as a cool big lion man >Meet another one >It's a gay ooc furry >He emotes at me
Ugh.
As a hfoam chad I find ffxiv very lacking. I hope that my hmoaf brethrens eat good when femroth releases.
>Play as a cool big lion man
I've only seen two cool Hroths in my 3000 hours played. One looked like a grizzled field commander with a medal. The other was a fully armored Sage.
Everyone else is gay
You've never come across creepy as shit Hrothgar that try to act like everyone's daddy? Those are straight up pedophiles and groom the shit out of dumb as frick autistic Hrothgar regardless of age
Zenos was absolutely fricking garbage that came from the worst expansion, and brought endwalker down every time he showed up until he finally had his first good line in the series about the notch on his blade. the writers expected us to give a shit about him as an adversary without actually doing anything with him other than making him a nuisance. he's the same situation that happened with the latest pokemon. absolutely SHIT until the very very end that left you wondering if they just forgot the write the games story.
>Try out BLM >Cool how it does so much damage >The immobile aspect isn't fun at all and I can see why it's not very used in harder content
>Try out RDM >The dualcast system is cool and the shifting from ranged to melee seems neat >The mana system feels janky and the fact that melee seems to basically be just to dump mana feels weird >Too early to tell much more
>SMN >Fricking summons, neat aspect of shifting through the elements as a result of your latest summon >Each element is just colored Ruin with some quirks
>6 casts every two minutes goes fast >once per minute >2 per minute >thunder relies on an inconsistent proc while fire relies on paradox fire and fire I >twice per minute >once every two minutes >Most usable >Fairly usable, but depends on the mechanic >Only available with leylines active
Right, that's why people jump to take the average BLM in their party over SMN
That's honestly all the movement you need after you learn the fight except for rare cases like the autism tree, the reason people go for summoner is because it gets all it's movement for free without any thought, black mage can be almost as mobile in most fights if played well
Anon, I usually hover around 85%-95% uptime and I'm an extremely mediocre black mage, it really isn't that hard
11 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, we're not talking about normal raids and dungeons here.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I'm talking about savage I'm still progging p11s, please have mercy
11 months ago
Anonymous
Now imagine if you weren't playing a job that adds so much strain to a party.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Like I said the job is not that hard to play, I'd still be stuck on p11s if I played summoner because the problem is party finder autism and my own mechanical skill issues not my job choice
If they hadn't gutted the DoT system, I'd love to have Green Mage in the game as a dedicated DoT-style damage job that can do things like overlap various DoTs for various effects (cast Oil on an enemy to do damage, a DoT, and lower their fire resistance; then cast a fire-based DoT to consume the Oil for a stronger initial hit and resulting DoT; or do it in reverse to consume the fire DoT and cause a single big instant damage).
>Try out RDM >The dualcast system is cool and the shifting from ranged to melee seems neat >The mana system feels janky and the fact that melee seems to basically be just to dump mana feels weird >Too early to tell much more
You have absolutely no idea how RDM works. Please, read/watch a guide.
>blah blah blah wah wah wah projection!
Yeah yeah yeah
Anyways he didn't say it was a mana sink, he said melee was just for dumping mana
You know, the central mechanic of RDM
Reminder that thanks to fujukawa and her "writing" we have an alternate Source with:
Emet alive
Elidibus alive
Fandaniel alive
Mitron and Loghrif possibly alive
Athena free in the lifestream
Zodiark alive and one extra time rejoined
And a means to travel between the Source and alternate Source
Don't forget Endsinger is still alive in that timeline. She's gonna consume that timeline/universe and try to find her to ours to finish the job. We'll get an entire expansion dedicated to Themis ala Rhapsodies of Vana'diel. I miss the Ancients being literal SPOOKY MYSTERY homieS. Just retcon Endwalker already
>EW ultimate >everyone ancient/ascian you've fought approaches you >venat, hades, themis, hephaistos, athena, ericthonios, loghrif, mitron and hermes have all had visions of the future involving your antics >hour long fight that ends in a victory lap as the last azem comes in for the save
Probably not my best hypothesis but whatever.
Don't kid yourself. The general reaction to Themis popping in for Pandæmonium was well recieved. Endsinger is still alive in the failed timeline. They'll give the excuse "We followed the Tycoon's trail to here because Endsinger is devouring our universe and you're our only hope" bullshit. Hope it won't happen.
> I miss the Ancients being literal ripoffs of the 13 from KH that had no personality other than "mwahaha we're going to destroy the world for reasons!"
Don't forget Endsinger is still alive in that timeline. She's gonna consume that timeline/universe and try to find her to ours to finish the job. We'll get an entire expansion dedicated to Themis ala Rhapsodies of Vana'diel. I miss the Ancients being literal SPOOKY MYSTERY homieS. Just retcon Endwalker already
The idea of that timeline still existing is just a feel-good thing so people can sit around and get weepy thinking about how those future characters that developed the time travel tower got to pick up the pieces of their world. As far as I'm concerned it was a permissible grandfather paradox and history was completely altered.
He's hot as frick so no
Yup. He is 1 dimension, boring and badly written and the only people who cling to him are rejects like because they are blind and then
"muh high IQ, U just dont understand!!11!" homosexuals who try to find justification and attach some element of "deep meaning" to where there is none. Which tbf explains a lot about the xiv playerbase's taste considering the vast majority are mentally ill.
this
You will never be a man, you will die an ugly failed woman manbreasts and your parents will bury you with your real name
p.s gay men hate veganas you
>You will never be a man
That's a new one.
What do I think about this quest?
xiv content creators and "meme" posts are not funny. unsub from that homosexual and have a nice day as soon as possible
The least seething Ganker poster
>not funny
neither are you and i ain't killin meself every time there's an unfunny post
Most of the job and side story villains are worse than him.
Emet-Selch is an Ardyn rip off and he gets the most praise out of any FF antagonist.
>Emet-Selch is an Ardyn rip off
Kek you WISH Ardyn was even as remotely interesting as emet-selch
Base game Ardyn is actually a great character. He is also a great character in his DLC.
However all of that is completely thrown out the window with the god awful DLC ending where Bahamut tells him to act evil for a prophecy and he is forced to do it. He was a very neat character when he was a betrayed Christ figure seeking revenge on the kingdom and power structure that shunned him, he is NOT a neat character when that entire revenge plot isn't done by means of his own motives but because a dragon forced him to.
I only played the original and none of the DLC, probably the only thing I remember most about that game. Great villain origin story, to bad the rest of the game sucked.
Yes next to emet
Ardyn mogs that trash gay in every aspect
I had to google who Ardyn was. I played 15. That's how memorable he was.
>i want to frick everything up
>*doesn't elaborate*
he's the best villain you mean
what is it about yoship that caused such a large cult of personality to form around him?
literally anything he says or does gets xiv players calling him "based"
even the most devout console wariors, blizzdrones, pcbros, etc have never gone out of their way to praise a single guy as some sort of god
>even the most devout console wariors, blizzdrones, pcbros, etc have never gone out of their way to praise a single guy as some sort of god
but thats a joke, gaben hardly ever did anything and none of the posting around him had anything to do with what he did, it was just to stir up pc vs console shit
now this is just actual satire
>it's just a joke haha
>we just sent the massive birthday card ironically
>gaben hardly ever did anything
tim please it's been four years, you can really stop crying now.
thats shitposting
these freaks are serious
Anon, OP asked a question, so I gave an answer. Would you be willing to describe which parts came off as freakish, or unreasonable? I tried to give a full answer, otherwise I expected to get "thats not a good reason" but now that I did, "these freaks." It almost seems like a no win scenario for me. I'd be more than happy to have an actual conversation if you have any actual interest in that.
homosexual
homophobia has no place in FFXIV community
He literally tells players not to obsess over XIV and to feel welcome to socialize with friends, play other games, have other hobbies. That was refreshing, especially during the timeframe when the industry was so focused on games-as-a-service, to keep players feeling obligated to play games they may not want to, but felt the need to to not miss anything, to maximize profitability. Additionally, he took what a was a sinking boat in 1.0, and whether you like it or not, came up with the idea that salvaged the world and lore which reintroduced the game into a new version of itself that has been more successful in the long run than I question SE may have considered before the shortcomings of 1.0 became obvious.
It is entirely subjective, but between the moments he has expressed his personal feelings whether it be about Soken as a friend and colleague, or the friend who was a friend of his who passed away, and their battle with cancer, it revealed a degree of giving a shit at a human level that I don't recall seeing out of other game or corporate execs, or any type of public figure. After watching him in Live Letters over the years, he is charismatic, seems liked by his colleagues, and god knows if he were mistreating his subordinates, we would have heard of it by now. He is probably old enough to almost be a grandfather, yet he looks like he is stylized by a pack of lesbians, and that cracks me up. There is nothing particularly special or exceptional about him. I think it just so happens that in the industry he works in, what should otherwise be a low bar to hit (not being a soulless piece of shit), isn't, but he hits it. On top of that, I have spent a larger portion of my life enjoying the game that he led the development of, more than the vast majority of other games I have played in my lifetime. So yeah, I think favorably about him, and talk him up occasionally.
>There is nothing particularly special or exceptional about him. I think it just so happens that in the industry he works in, what should otherwise be a low bar to hit (not being a soulless piece of shit), isn't, but he hits it.
This is the key.
He made the shittiest mmo in the world into arguably the best.
He also is making a numbered FF that looks better than anything made since IX.
>Is Zenos the worst villian of ffxiv of all time?
That I can't deny
Yes. After Stormblood he's a completely useless and pointless participant that could be replaced by any other character and have the same story.
Zenos was needed as a counter to bird's nihilist philosophy
Shit was funny
When WoL will eventually absorb real Golbez soul he'll unlock Azems future sight ability where he see vision of a greater threat than Endsinger. Using the Source's moon he travel to other shards where Azem souls is conveniently sealed or is the antagonist being manipulated by a remaining Ascian of that shard.
Soon
O frick I never realized she has that Ancient architecture swirling motif
Personally the Azem crystal breaking next patch would be the best thing that could happen. With the climax of the next expansion being WoL summoning his buddies without it.
>Personally the Azem crystal breaking next patch would be the best thing that could happen
Can't happen soon enough holy frick.
He only unlocks that ability after he catches 'em all
It will happen once he absorbs real Golbez soul
Why?
It serves as a canonized duty finder and lets you find dudes where it would be ridiculous to find them otherwise and equally ridiculous to fight the boss solo.
>be villain
>bored with life and missing his best friend
>apocalipse happens, monsters show up
>this dude gets up his chair and goes to the lair of satan, punches a hole in her home
>laughs at her face and call her a b***h
>saves the whole universe
>BECAUSE HE WAS FRICKING BORED AND WANTED TO SPAR WITH HIS BESTIE
can't get more based than this anon...
>Remember us. Remember that we once lived… Also remember to watch out for that crazy guy Fandaniel. His pet bird caused the final days. I was there with my good friend Hythlodaeus and we ran into you because you got sent to the past by our good friend Elidibus. We went there to meet our good friend Hermes and his pet bird. Hermes's bird was capable of destroying entire planets because she had emotion energy, a concept so advanced only Hermes and an elephant knew it existed. Hermes was going to let the bird destroy our planet because he wanted to do an experiment. And then he was going to memory wipe all of us until Venat flew in on her magical dog and escaped with you. She then for some reason decided not to tell anyone about what happened and instead doomed us all to die, including our good friend Azem who fell into a Volcano while trying to find the source of the noise even though Venat knew all along because she put a magic microchip on Hermes’s bird. She then became Hydaelyn and sundered the world because a bunch of weak humans who die after 80 years were better equipped to deal with the threat than immortal gods who could create whatever they wanted at will. Except the only “human” that could actually stand up to Meteion was 9/14ths of our good friend Azem who also needed Hydaelyns blessing to survive along with my great-grandson Zenos Viator Galvus who had Hydaelyns blessing too, except his was reverse-engineered in a Garlean laboratory. And he was a good friend.
Thank you. It's always nice to see all of the reasons stopping at Shadowbringers was a good idea summed up so well. I really made the right choice.
You really didn't.
Bro? Your commas?
Never understood this copypasta.
It's gibberish for anyone that hasn't played, and completely nonsensical for those who have.
Any point it tries to make is countered by the in game story or has been answered by the devs themselves.
I find the "Only an elephant knew about it" part funny but even then it's not like Nidhana being an elephant person takes away the fact she's a famous national-level alchemist who makes some of the biggest discoveries in the setting. Everything else is mostly just dumb shit that's reaching hard to make the story sound worse than it is by saying everything in a ridiculing tone.
It's like people who insist Meteion was a bad "villain" (if you can really call her the villain) and when asked why they will just say it's because she's a bird girl. As if that's somehow an inherently bad design.
Meteion is a bad villain because she's just a much worse Seymour. What I mean by that is that both are essentially avatars for the same idea, but Meteion is a naïve blank slate whereas Seymour is a character with more history and experience. With Seymour it was his own life that led him to those ideas, whereas for Meteion she was purely influenced by the will of others, meaning she was more a tool, which undermines the seriousness of the existentialism to begin with since it's basically just misleading a child.
Also Meteion doesn't try to frick your girlfriend, so she's nowhere near as fun to beat up.
That's not entirely true.
Meteion is an extension of Hermes's will, and he ultimately reaches the same conclusion as Meteion through his actual experiences.
Meteion is an avatar for Hermes more than she is an avatar for the unseen corpses out in the universe.
You could say that, but at the same time this wasn't wholly Hermes' will at the time, since he also wanted to defend the planet as part of the "test".
Anyway my point is that Meteion is an empty shell, a vessel for fatalism. Whether that's Hermes' or the universe more generally.
>She's just a representation of the despair of the universe,
That's my point. I don't find this a compelling antagonist, because it's simply conflict with a formless, baseless idea, not informed by the antagonist's own character. This is why people argue that Meteion herself isn't even the villain at all, because despite being the impetus for the entire plot, nothing is even her fault directly as a person.
Put another way, Kuja is obviously the prime antagonist of FF9, whereas Necron is just the embodiment of the main theme of the game. I don't think anybody can argue that Kuja is the better villain even though Necron stands for everything the player has been fighting against.
>This is why people argue that Meteion herself isn't even the villain at all
Well... yeah. She's not the villain. She's the villain's tool.
I mean, would you say the meteor in FF7 was a shit villain because it's motivation was to crash into a planet?
But you don't fight the Meteor at the end of FF7, you fight Sephiroth.
>She's not the villain. She's the villain's tool.
That's the point. This is why people just describe her as "a bird".
She's not even the villain's toll though. Hermes was just a sad boy curious about the nature of existence. At his worst he is just a chaotic mad scientist, unironically just asking questions. The villain is the hypothesized natured of existence that is manifested through Meteion.
That's exactly what I was saying, thanks for reiterating the same thing as though you were disagreeing with me.
>this wasn't wholly Hermes' will at the time, since he also wanted to defend the planet as part of the "test".
wrong
Metion was designed to return a result hermes wanted
why else design a creature who can speak with the dead
when the point was to find out peoples reason to live
>meaning she was more a tool, which undermines the seriousness of the existentialism to begin with since it's basically just misleading a child.
But that was the point. Meteion is a blank canvas. She didn't reach those conclusions on her own, she's not a character who has an ideology she decides to push on everyone else. She's just a representation of the despair of the universe, and on a smaller scale, Hermes' own ideology. If there's any actual moment that can be taken from Meteion as her own actual person who has an opinion and makes decisions of her own, it's the moment the Scions give her their reasons to live and the moment WoL reaches out to her at the edge of the universe and lets her share in his feelings and experiences, because that's the first moment where she's actually experiencing enough things with enough variety to form her own identity. Put simply, it's the first time someone colors the canvas in more than one color, and thus now that canvas can actually decide which does it like better.
>life is suffering therefore I will kill everyone to prevent their suffering
Don't most Final Fantasy big bads use this rationale? I know it was Necron's motive also.
its a popular trope
>Necron
I'm still mad that for years they used a similar design for Zodiark, then just scrapped it come Endwalker.
Same, the new design is fine but this one was really great
It's one of the key tensions in the japanese way of thinking, the idea that life is pain vs the idea of beauty in impermanence.
There is no misleading.
Entelechy are dynamis creatures, which means they exist in a polarized state where their state can be influenced by the dynamis around them.
That's also why she wasn't a villain. She was more just a vehicle for a cosmic force of apathy, emotional entropy and dread.
She didn't choose to become what she did, she was sent out in space and had her entire existence shifted by the combined despair and sorrow of the universe, which caused a snowball effect with her visiting more doom and gloom to other planets, in turn fostering more negative dynamis.
<Meteion is a bad villain
Well... yeah, but she has some pretty good ~~*fanart*~~ on Pixiv that I often glance at which proves otherwise.
meteion is a bad villain because she's not a villain you buffoon, she's only antagonist
There really isn't any sense to it.
Glad we agree that Endwalker was completely nonsensical
We don't.
I accept your concession
>Also remember
Stopped reading there.
The opposite.
Also Stormblood was good frick you Ganker.
It was full of filthy Mhiggers.
Something that isn't brought much is how Gaius being magiklet managed to body 2 red masks, wether he destroyed em for good or not, he still managed to beat their bodies enough to grab their masks and spit on their graves.
With no Echo, no Golden Magitek armor, nothing but sheer fricking rage
Nabriales was one of the weaker Ascian, but it still took a lot just to beat him and Tupsimati to destroy his soul. Makes you wonder just how strong he is
we also still haven't got a mini of Gaius.
I wonder what the devs will do with him in the future.
I hope he won't be relegated as side content. Shame he wasn't used much in Garlemald
He is the best, midwits and or women can't comprehend his character
No, the worst was his fricking attempted copy in ShB.
Zenos was great, even in SB.
He looks like evil Heather Graham.
>accept his proposal at the end of SB
>"lol no"
Why even ask then
We'll get JUG next expansion
I forgot that that was actually a FFTA job class until just now.
ff tactics has the best job system out of any game ever
Would be kinda cool as a phys range or scouting melee
Fat trannies have it easy cause a lot of fat chicks already look like men as is.
>gets relegated to a trash mob in the shittiest exploration zone known as Bozja
Frick you bozja was kino
It wasn't liked in Japan
Sorry, can't hear you over this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr_s8Mm0amM at full volume
it was developed for endwalker, in some garlean area i believe. Bozja came in a late patch so they just stuck it there too. war mech isn't even a villain, just a defense robot in FF1's sky fortress.
People who don't like Zenos don't understand what he is meant to embody: a satire of the hardcore/terminally online playerbase.
People that rush to finish content as soon as it comes out, and then languish in boredom and whine on the forums about how nobody caters to them.
The savage raiders that are pushing from day 1 (or as soon as their mods are updated for current patch lmao)
The omni-crafters that are barreling through new recipes and dogpiling nodes the second servers are up.
These people, bereft of the joys of enjoying the ride and forming social bonds, find solace and purpose in climbing the ever-growing peak; spinning the hamster wheel as fast as they possibly can.
Zenos is these people, and to a lesser extent, all players. Which is why, at the very end, you can finally choose to admit that his point of view isn't entirely untrue. Lot of people b***hed about not having the option to walk away from him. Personally I couldn't agree less. Walking away from him without a fight is the biggest disservice and destruction of character for both yourself and him.
>Walking away from him without a fight is the biggest disservice and destruction of character for both yourself and him.
Nah, man. You're just a pussy.
I dunno anon he's not the one walking away from a fight
Where would you walk even WoL you fricking dumbo, that space is an endless expanse.
New AI slop just dropped.
>Ai asiatic face looks bad even in slant eyed b***hes
Post only good yugiris, please
Looks awful
>run thordan ex 71 times for the card
>it finally drops
>Unable to obtain "Archbishop Thordan VII" inventory is full
t. moronic cat poster
Was there ever a good villain? They're all either comically stupid or inept by design.
Emet Selch too. The only reason he's even remotely likeable is because he had more charisma than "haha le evil mysterious man" #400
Thordan.
Nidhogg
Nidhogg was justified
Ran'jit
Ilberd
>The only reason he's even remotely likeable
You really think charisma is all that makes him likable?
>They're all either comically stupid or inept by design.
That's literally every Final Fantasy villain anon. What makes every game in the franchise dumb fun is because it's masterclass melodrama.
Yeah, I fricking would you moron.
you missed the point of that line.
the point is that after the atrocities and horrors zenos' leadership caused, there isn't a reason that could ever be good enough to justify it.
His point is that if you're easily forgiving of the most fricked shit on earth because someone gives a "we had to for the greater good", then you're basically at animal moral intelligence.
It's a bit like that Dune line like "a trapped animal will gnaw off its own limb to escape and survive"
A 'greater good' reason for the sorts of shit that Garlemald had enacted upon others and suffered upon itself is only accepted by animals who think only of survival.
To add to this, he's sort of throwing it back in the face of the players' relationship towards Emet Selch and some of the other XIV villains that they find their causes worthy of at least sympathy because of the intent.
Zenos is making fun of the characters and the players for thinking intent matters when it comes to acting out horrible terrors on others. He's obviously needling Julius for his brainwashing but he's also shitting on the general tendency to worship "morally ambiguous" villains
You morons are projecting. When he meant isn't that "there can be no reason to justify what I've done", it's instead "I don't need to justify anything I do, and no matter what I said you wouldn't care anyway."
Imagine if Zenos was actually a super secret good guy who destroyed Garlemald to save the world - It doesn't matter one bit to Jullus. No reason Zenos' could possibly give would ever ameliorate himself in Jullus' eyes. So Zenos' doesn't care, because why should he? He's 100% self-motivated, he doesn't believe in any sort of moral omniscience judging his actions, he only believes in himself and his own desires. So Jullus' protestations are just a joke, the mewling of the vanquished that couldn't do anything himself. He doesn't even deserve an answer unless he can forcibly hold Zenos' to account, and if he could then Zenos' answer wouldn't matter anyway because then he himself would be the powerless nothing character to Jullus' lead actor, just as worthless to Jullus as Jullus is to him.
Yeah except that isn't the state of Garlemald. Between purposefully turning the people into monsters, starving out common citizens and turning the military on itself, not to mention the shit they did to OTHER countries, there's no motivation that could ever adequately justify everything that had been done.
In your interpretation of the line, Zenos would have no reason to say Jullus would be akin to the Terminal Beasts if he had accepted a 'good' reason. The whole point is that he's making fun of how thoughtless Jullus (and, by extension, all of Garlemald) was for being brainwashed into basically doing whatever the Emperor told them to. It's also why he follows up that bit with how virtues like duty or honor are wrappers for the real reasons people fight and conquer each other.
I miss HW
Soon
Anon? Your Meteion?
I would unironically give the team standing claps if they ever manage to stuck him in this ff4 reference fest
But we know they will stop at Zeromus
FF4 TAY was universally panned
Never ever going to happen
he's the worst ffxiv villain because he's your friend
If there are any islandgays who need the rest of the week's recs, here they are.
>discord
Thank you, anon. When are these released? Following maintenance, or the weekly reset?
Daily. Day 1 is always rest because testing needs to start. The group doing it makes a bunch of shit on alt accounts to see how the numbers come in, and use that to calculate the pattern that's going to emerge. By Friday the entire rest of the week will be known. Usually this info gets dumped in a reddit thread that's updated through the week, but since that's on the fritz the only place to get the results is on their discord. A lot of people don't want to deal with that shit, so I screenshotted it to post here. This is all just for optimal profit, so really there's nothing wrong with looking at the upcoming supply and demand and winging it.
I thought they posted it on the twitter account too?
The guy running that stopped updating because the addition of a fourth workshop makes the fields larger than the bot he uses to post are allowed to be.
Bigger Lightning than Lightning herself.
Meowdy guys! Let's kick Zenos butt!
why do I have to get the rangedBlack folk that never push the fricking crystal and just sit back and watch??? is this rng??? this game fricking sucks so much.
>contest the point as a black mage
>instantly get targeted by their entire team
Just let me stay comfy at max range and I'll freeze the enemy for you happily anon
just use burst and contest gay
Burst isn't going to save me against 5 aggro arrows.......
you get as much health as a monk. no excuses rangedsissy
Ranged don't get the insane heal that is riddle of earth, idiot
>villain
Zenos was a villain?
He was the best villian/friend
Can't wait to see the reactions of Zenos haters when they bring him back and he becomes an official member of the Scions
I would laugh pretty hard
God I miss him
>destroyed the Black Rose threat that would have killed the WoL
>saved the WoL from being killed by Endsinger
>made sure that the Endsinger couldn't escape the final fight
Zenos did more for the WoL than any of the Scions did
>Worst villain when Ranji, Asahi, Lahabrea, Vaulthry, Fannydanny, Nabieles, Igegorym, Teledgi exist
>Asahi
What was that?
who?
>Vauthry
homie he was specifically meant to represent the antithesis of Alphinaux and Zenos. The whole reason he's called Innocence without being "forgiven" is because he is the worst elements of both flipping on their head.
Asahi was fine, if you like the archetype, the problem is that everyone else became moronic around him.
We're not going to each Shard t get Azem's soul instead we're going to the bad future to absorb that shard to be even more complete and surpass og Azem. We'll also meet that version's Emet and Elidibus. It'll be great
I actually liked Fundaniel except as Hermes
Why do all the men in Final Fantasy games look like women
zenos is a joke character that isnt funny
i wouldve respected him if the final 1v1 with him was actually a fun challenge but ofc XIV has to cater to braindead morons that get filtered by things like pre nerf garlemald
I went into xiv expecting one of the best stories of all time from the hype
It gave me unreal expectations it could not meet
it ended up being a boring slog, which I stopped at the end of HW.
Hmm... I wonder if this guy and his summon will turn out to be evil. I'm not sure though...
He's a meme meta character just for fun. Yeah, it's dumb but it works well in some scenarios.
No. Zenos was based
How does one manage to go through the same fight 20 fricking times without improving at all?
somebody else's fault carrying them
or yoships fault making a game without failure states
>Is Zenos the worst villian of ffxiv of all time?
It's hard to say because I did hate him in SB, and I even more hated the fact that they brought him back to live.
BUT
The very fact that this autist traveled to the edge of the universe just to 1v1 you is incredibly fricking kino and I wouldn't have it any other way
>Why is the apocalypse of the universe not already dead, are you a gay or something
I don't care, Zenos will forever be the best
It's even better that he sees the doom bird and just goes "lmao what's this homosexual shit? Let's just fricking kill this moron so we can have our kino battle!"
Nomura is a hack
Think we will see his other shards at all? Possibly his First one?
I will kick them in the crotch if we find out who it is.
I hope not. Ascianwank has to end. That part of the story is over. Bringing them back (even if indirectly) over and over will just sour everything that came before.
Sorry but Emet and others will make a cameo in 6.5 where he helps WoL again
Ascians and Ancients will never go away. They are too easy of a plot point to use to milk fan service, especially Emet, Hythlo and Elidibus.
Also there's like 5 or 6 sundered Ascians that are still alive out there and there's no way they won't ever have us bump into them.
Just like they've done with Zenos. I want him to go and stay gone. He should have been gone forever after Stormblood.
Sorry but his body still being in Ultima Thule where Miteion is releasing the energy she took from various planets means he'll come back
I liked him in SB because I enjoy antagonists that are in your face often causing problems. I don't enjoy antagonists that are somewhere off in the distance not doing anything which is exactly what he spent most of the time in EW being.
You must fricking hate Golbez.
I liked him in FF4 because he confronted your party fairly often. Yeah in FF14 he sucks.
The 6.xx writing sucks in general probably because interns under her are writing it
it's probably more so because they have to stretch a story made for 2-3 patches out for 5.
In Stormblood yeah, but the end of Stormblood onwards, nah he's great. He shouldn't have beaten WoL multiple times, it kinda makes WoL's power level seem like unfair shounen Black persony where he just screams really loud and then he is strong, rather than being a true beacon of unbeatable power at all times. Zenos just needed better interactions to showcase his might. Losing to him serves 0 purpose when we win just because randomly out of nowhere and he doesn't stand a chance, again just because.
No, but Venat was. Because the story refused to treat her like the villain she was.
>Lahabrea
Why would Azem/WoL give a shit about him?
Azem is an emotional wreck. WoL is the stoic savior of the universe who literally cannot be provoked and forgives evil at the drop of a hat, so long as a happy ending is within reach.
>forgives evil at the drop of a hat
we killed countless evil frickers though, including venat, it don't matter if WoL feels bad about it later because he does what he needs to does
lol
Venat is easily the least evil of the characters who make suffering for others in this entire series.
The funny thing is, if wol REALLY cared about his ascian friends, he would call Lahabrea and Elidibus by their names instead of their titles
wol is only on a first name basis with themis
ZODIARK
TRANCE!!!!
youre still here, huh?
Its a matter of perspective and to some people she really was the main villain
>unironic trancer
>there's never anything good in here
>"and who's fault is that?"
made me laff
anti-white meme.
yadda yadda zodiark trance yadda yadda
zzzzz
>this shit again
pretty sure it's just a falseflagging shitposter trying to earn some easy (You)s
Which frankly is too easy
Thanks for the laugh
Still think he should have turned into Izanagi at the end of Stormblood instead of Shinryu.
Then have Asahi become Amaterasu alongside Yotsuyu being Tsukuyomi to bring it full circle.
AHHHH I WANT A JOB THAT DUAL WIELDS PISTOLS
We will. Thats why we controlled the femroe that one time since they're testing out the job
3 thousand hours and i still haven't joined an FC.
zenos is like sephiroth but blonde and he called me his friend so i like him
He’s a simple villain who doesn’t have some tragic backstory or sob story which tries to redeem him. He’s pretty much the walking trope of a battle autist who only lives for the thrill of a good fight and I can appreciate that. I also liked the parallels he drew with the WoL in that maybe if he had a good group around him he could have been like you. I don’t think it’ll ever happen but I hope he joins the Scions at some point or whatever group the WoL has supporting them in the future just to see how he would interact with a regular group.
He was good in Stormblood, he was terrible in Shadowbringers, he was based as frick in Endwalker and arguably massively improved.
Depicting him as this bizarre thematic foil to your character adverse to the nihilism Meteion and the other birds rambled on about whilst still maintaining his singular obsession with just having a fight to the death with you was fantastic. It kept his character largely the same yet his willpower to just want to have a fight with you pushed Meteion and her misery to the side like a distraction in the climax.
At the end of the day, what were they trying to tell with him? Rivalries with one another, ultimately serves to better one another? Even in the face of annihilation, he didn't give a shit about you chasing some universe ending threat, he just wanted a fight with you. And he respected you enough to help you kick the shit out of the villain. Absolutely giga based.
they were trying to show that there were answers to the question of existence, at least for Zenos.
NOTHING, no cosmic apocalypses or his own death, could deter him from his goals in life, even for all his evil actions, his singular drive to fulfill his own personal goal/quest was a complete refutation of Meteion/Endsinger.
its why HE is the final fight, not Endsinger, and even though no one but you will ever even know of the fight of his life, it had meaning, and merit and worth, just for him, and he died accepting it, even if he still would like to do it again.
>he was terrible in Shadowbringers
Wasn't he only in Garlemald during the Civil War, and setting up his part in EW in ShB?
The 13th is going to rejoin the Source and will cause a lot of chaos. This is the great change they were talking about
It's what most people assume, but we won't know until it happens.
Now that Venat/Hydaelyn is dead all the shards are going to try to rejoin with the Souce
I'd rather the 1st rejoin so we get Gaia and Ryne back
Yeah, so they confirm that they're just good friends.
Sweaty rejoin-celebrating threesome
they'd fricking die, when a Shard rejoins, it turns into pure Aether, and turns everyone on it into Aether as well.
Gaia wouldn't since she's not actually from the First, though we probably would have to get her somewhere safe first. I dunno how it'd work with Ryne, she's a special case.
wouldn't matter what your home plane was, it "pops" and the energy gets vacuumed up.
nothing about that would involve a physical object surviving the merge.
where the hell do I end up if I'm not native to the world? For example the Nier junk on the first or Azdaja
So open a giant rift for the 1sters to come through or something. Idc I just want them back...
Uhhhh anon I don't think they would survive that.
>we get Gaia and Ryne back
The moment we get Gaia and Ryne in the MSQ long-term as Scions or pseudo-Scions, I'm going to count down the minutes until the first complaints roll in of "WAAAH WHEN ARE THEY DYING/BEING WRITTEN OUT?? THEY'RE BORING GAIA JUST SNARKS ALL THE TIME AND RYNE IS JUST TOO NAIVE WHAT ARE THEY EVEN DOING HERE THEY SERVE NO PURPOSE"
Why even bother waiting for them, you can already say that about G'raha, Estinien, Zero and Vrtra. They've been around for an expansion or less.
Oh, I know. But people won't believe in it until they see it for their own eyes.
Ryne actually was shit and OOC in Eden.
>The moment we get Gaia and Ryne in the MSQ long-term as Scions or pseudo-Scions, I'm going to count down the minutes until the first complaints roll in of "WAAAH WHEN ARE THEY DYING/BEING WRITTEN OUT?? THEY'RE BORING GAIA JUST SNARKS ALL THE TIME AND RYNE IS JUST TOO NAIVE WHAT ARE THEY EVEN DOING HERE THEY SERVE NO PURPOSE"
Imagine thinking that instead of literally using the diminished but still significant presence of Light in the First, and transferring it to the Thirteenth to bring a bit of balance to both, just like Y'Shtola hints to at the end of 6.4 MSQ.
>There are incels so hopeless they can't even make friends online
zenos is a great villain unless you need every villain to be a fedora tipping grey thanos marvel quipper, hes a classical villain like frieza, and hes a perfect counterpart to the other villains in the game like emet who are more like what you want
I don't even like Zenos, but Emet-Selch was a mistake.
Now every pledditor needs every villain character to be "le misunderstood tragic old emaciated theater gay"
>Now every pledditor needs every villain character to be "le misunderstood tragic old emaciated theater gay"
I can't wait for you to see me in Vegas.
>There won't be a rejoining
>We won't go to Meracydia
7.0 will subvert all our expectations
I can't wait!
What it Cloud of Darkness is Hydaelyn's 13th shard that's been corrupted by Darkness?
I kinda doubt she sundered herself.
She did sunder herself
Nevermind, consider me corrected.
HEY URIANGER IS ASLEEP DURING THE LESSON
I FRICKING CAUGHT HIM
>Lo, thou art exaggerating my condition. Twas merely a moment of respite I chose to afford mine eyes. The Lunar surface is lacking in aerial moisture, and for that reason I decided to offer them liquid succor.
TEACHER URIANGER IS TELLING LIES
AGAIN
>Prithee, refrain from undue aspersions, mine comrade. I did but grant mine eyes momentary repose— thus must I inform you that mine lucidity hath ne'er been in doubt. Forsooth, it doth hearten me to learn that mine haleness concerneth you so.
As the anon who wrote the first one, well fricking done. I concede to you anon.
I re-read it and realized that "you" should be "thee". Motherfricker loves his thees.
Thank you, though. His diction makes my brain bleed.
>His diction makes my brain bleed.
As the friend among my friends who often gets hit with "say it shorter" or the "20 words or less" gif, I adore it, especially because the writers are obviously having fun with it now.
Oh yeah, I enjoy it.
I just don't enjoy trying to ape it.
It's fun how you eventually just start understanding him the more you are exposed to him.
URIANGER NO THAT'S THE VESTIGES OF MOENBRYDA'S SOUL IN THERE BEGGING FOR RELEASE
>Learning that most of the other languages don't actually have Urianger speaking markedly different from everyone else.
Fricking soulless dude. It's actually kind of silly just how much his character wins just from this one quirk. Honestly even makes me wonder if the scene where Y'shtola asks him to describe the night sky is half as moving if he's not known for talking flowery.
>Learning that most of the other languages don't actually have Urianger speaking markedly different from everyone else.
Look, I'm only going with picrel because I don't have Tesleen turning, or Meteion going dark saved.
Here ya go anon
god damn who gave meteion the sugar cubes again
Perfect. THAT is my reaction to that discovery.
Yeah. I don't think Urianger would be as memorable without that quirk.
Not that he needs it to be a good character, but in the early days, it's definitely what makes people pay attention to him.
Wait a fricking second, that means the whole dilemma of "now that Hydaelyn isn't here the shards might destabilize blah blah blah" doesn't actually apply at all. At most it will be just the Source and the Thirteenth that are destabilizing now, everywhere else has it's own Hydaelyn to keep things steady.
I do honestly believe this was a mistranslation or some sort of miscommunication.
There is no other mention of this and it just doesn't make sense given the context.
Not sure what the deal with that is, but it doesn't line up with anything else. Venat never even mentions it herself, and we've already seen that there is only one Hydaelyn and no others.
I thought Venat was unsundered, which is why while she remained on the Source, she had Voice of the Mother able to move about the different Shards to act as her singular representative. If she had a aspect on each Shard, Thancred could have been hanging out with Minfilia while First Minfilia was helping out the Warriors of Darkness.
Frick, nevermind.
>Hydaelyn is sundered
I CAN STILL FRICK HER?!
>But killing her in the source killed the other Hs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I like to think those Hydaelyn clones we fight during her trial was her other shards
>I will destroy everything just to fight the WoL
>Why? Because I just feel like it
He's literally the best villain. His motivation is because it's fun.
People like Zenos, but not because of him specifically. He's carried by the fact that the "villain turned obsessive rival who just wants a proper 1v1" trope is kino by default
With every day that passes, I feel more and more like Shadowbringers was the expansion for people who wanted to feel smart and receive a pat on the back for understanding things that were quite literally just stated to them outright. (With them already ignoring the undertones of things like the third sacrifice)
Then, when Endwalker appeared and required them to think just a *little* bit for themselves, they started whining that it didn't make any sense.
This, coming from the same sort of person that thought phantom Amaurot was just mental masturbation and denied for like a year that Hades threw the fight, healed WoL on purpose, and set up the entire Azem crystal plot in advance.
>coming from the same sort of person that
Who is that?
it was this guy
If you were here at the time you know, these arguments of "you just don't understand" have gone around for years. Another prime example is the debate around the nature of Elidibus post-Zodiark, where some people thought he was himself removed from Zodiark, whereas others thought he was a Primal copy of Elidibus created by Zodiark, based on Y'shtola's accusations against him in 5.3. It's the same thing with the Hades stuff, people refused to think beyond the most basic elements of the text so long as it fit a narrative.
My point is that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
But you're accusing me of something that should duly be ascribed to others.
If you were the first guy, you laid out a blanket pseud accusation basically at an entire expansion. Don't get prissy if it's turned back to you.
It's true that Shadowbringers' main story and message is super straightforward. Even Emet as a character is spoonfed to people.
Sure, you can fumble a little beyond that and consider the details and the subtext, but Shadowbringers fundamentally is super simplistic.
Right, so you can just say what that simplicity all is, can't you? What was the main story and message, and what was Emet's spoonfed character?
I get the feeling I upset you.
Do you really feel like Shadowbringers tells a complicated tale at all? One that requires contemplation to process?
I'm just asking you what you think. I've talked to a lot of people who themselves said it was simple, but would also go on to argue things that were completely contradictory with the story. I've had people tell me that the idea of passing on a legacy isn't even a theme that exists in the narrative.
Passing on a legacy in what sense?
The people/Ironworks from G'raha's timeline to G'raha?
Emet-Selch to the WoL?
Minfilia to Ryne?
Etc, etc.
All of the above. There are people who will deny all of that purely because it's part of a picture that includes how Emet-Selch wanted to believe WoL and humanity could inherit the future from the ancients, and set things up to allow for that outcome. For example many people still deny that he recognized WoL had Azem's soul based on his shock in the finale, despite his statement in Lakeland, because from their point of view he was always a straightforward villain that purely looked down on WoL and only wanted to use him to do the calamity.
Of course part of that is true, but what I'm getting at is that - if you're that original guy - You're ascribing a level of pseudism towards Shadowbringers even when it was actually filtering people in the same way that you say Endwalker required people to think a little and it supposedly didn't.
That seems weird, because he was always posited as "le tragic villain." People don't generally treat Emet just as a smug, smarmy thoroughly evil bastard. They treat him as the hero of his own play, fighting what is in his eyes a righteous cause. Of all the interpretations of Emet-Selch, those are by far the most ubiquitous in my experience. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone takes notice of his tentative suicide-by-WoL plan and that he was ultimately fatigued and crumpling under the weight of his burdens, sorrow and solitude after eons of being surrounded by two types of pale imitations of the people he loved so dearly on a daily basis (the Sundered, and Elidibus and Lahabrea who went coo coo in their own ways)
You can always overanalyze stuff, and I'm not even saying that those analyses are wrong or coming to nonexistent conclusions, but the point is that you can consume Shadowbringer's story fairly easily at face value and still be mostly right about what transpired.
It doesn't take a genius to understand what Shadowbringers was mostly about, but a lot of Shadowbringers fans do appear to me as if they pretending it's some elevated form of fiction that can only be properly parsed by the most discerning of minds.
>People don't generally treat Emet just as a smug, smarmy thoroughly evil bastard.
"People" if you have a selective memory. There were a lot of people with exactly that idea of the character, it was all everyone was arguing about forever almost until Endwalker released. The arguments that persist now are actually all evolutions of the "sides" that formed during that original argument, between the people that thought Emet was "the hero of his own story" and the people that thought he was scum. As it became more and more obvious in the patches (and ultimately in EW) that the writers didn't actually intend him to just be an evil butthole, the debate shifted from that into the question not just of whether he was right from his own perspective, but to whether or not he was right from a more distant perspective. Once it became "us vs them" a lot of people went full moron and refuse to understand what each other are saying or where they're coming from.
>whereas others thought he was a Primal copy of Elidibus created by Zodiark,
Different anon here; this theory fails to acknowledge the fact that by the time we encounter elidibus, he and zodiark are the same entity. There is no "creating a copy" because zodiark is elidibus is zodiark.
Then again, XIV has an unusually high concentration of people who choose to ignore facts and present their own ideas as irrefutable truths.
>Then again, XIV has an unusually high concentration of people who choose to ignore facts and present their own ideas as irrefutable truths.
True.
Just look at Zodiark Trancers as the best example
>Different anon here; this theory fails to acknowledge the fact that by the time we encounter elidibus, he and zodiark are the same entity. There is no "creating a copy" because zodiark is elidibus is zodiark.
What leads you to say that? Clearly Elidibus and Zodiark were distinct entities.
Despair was the real villain of 14
he had potential when he was an elezen but they went back to homosexual status quo. hes pretty shit and even ew couldnt salvage him.
What do you mean we look suspicious, little girl?
was it autism?
>Merging scene with Golbez
>"Take it, we fight as one!" unvoiced
>Golbez is in his undies and the helmet, holding the armor towards you
Even if Hermes didn't stop Emet and co and erased their memories it would be too late since the other Mitea were already corrupted by Universal Despair and have reached the same conclusion
Yeah, that's why there was ultimately no point in trying to track her down, beat her up and take her back to Etheirys. It'd just be one Meteion vs the entire swarm, which no one would be able to locate because the GPS-tracked Meteion would be stuck on Etheirys.
>never have a villain this iconic
ffgays cant cope...
I FRICKING KNEEL
CHADVAAL THE CHADLER OF CHADCRAFT
cover his nipples
uh-huh
WHY
DO PEOPLE
PLAY
FRICKING
LALAFELL
irony poisoning
Because they can do shit like this.
Reminds of the video of the lalafell getting beaten
Smaller hitbox
It's a simple litmus test for mental illness
>you will not survive what is to come...
>dies
chills bros...
You filthy wowbuck...I...I consneed! Your game is truly the superior experience!!
buy a sub, a carry, and the pig
>alludes to a higher and more dangerous power he was trying to stop
>refuses to elaborate
>dies
Truly one of the greatest antagonists in all of fiction.
Wait, wait, wait. Was he actually doing that kissy face in the actual cutscene? I thought that was some facecam meme. Please tell me it's just screenshotting at a really unfortunate frame and not that he literally makes kissy faces.
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Oh my god he does make kissy faces, it's not just an unfortunate loose frame.
>Chains
>Kissy faces
What if Torghast was just a sex dungeon he was inviting you to all along?
Better written villain than Meteion
>meteion
>villain
public school failed once again
gee i cant wait for every villain from here on out to be panned because they aren't an emet clone
If one good thing can be said of these patches, is that the dungeons have been fantastic.
I always imagine this playing in a Sharlean elevator
OH YES. I loved it the moment I heard it. Perfect image, anon.
>lol i just needed to eat a lot of aether to space travel to the other side of the galaxy
god i hope this game survives long enough for people to recognize endwalker story sucked monkey dick
yea dragons can do that
fat fricking chance
the older endwalker the gets, the more any flaws with it get brushed over and forgotten and only the positives remain
hell, it already happened with shadowbringers, which had plenty of lows and pacing issues, but people rarely ever mention them other than "le meme trolley" because they only remember the good parts
>Go to Crystarium's library
>Watch cutscene about the lore of 'Minfilia' in the 1st
That's around when it peaked for me. The sheer potential of where they could've gone with the story was nuts.
Eng localization team take too much liberty sometimes
He was much more interesting than the absolute trite that is the ancient fujo/gay pandering we have now
Emet was fine, great even, but in classic XIV manner they milked what made his arc so captivating to the point where Elpis/Pandaemonium almost seemed like a parody at times
I can only hope 7.0 truly is a clean slate and we can get a fresh cast of both villains and heroes without the constant tirade of making artificial tearjerkers for ancient fujos
>a clean slate
>implying they'd do that
The twitter XIV troons who consume $30 cashshop mounts would have suicidal breakdowns if their garbage WoL shipbait scion doesn't get ample screen time
Note how I'm not even mentioning any specific character because several apply to this
G'raha becoming a Scion was so comically forced
Man, I don't even want them to toss out the scions forever. Let them pursue their own personal shit out of the spotlight, even for just one (1) expansion, and then they can come back. Hell, make it a big deal. Have a whole 'getting the gang back together' arc. You can even do a huge marketing thing to reel people back in: OMG the scions are coming bakk!! get Hype!1!!
Please Yoshi I'm begging
That's a sad pig. I wanna pet it
The twins and 2 cats are guaranteed to be involved in every expansion since they're popular
garbage tumblr art
muh oc is besties with all the scions x3
Is that an oc? I thought it was graha with miscolored hair.
100% an OC
...so like they already did several times throughout HW, SB and ShB?
How it went with Emet reminds me bit of the new eva movies where all the fricked up personality and history of the cast gets laundered to be happy ending. Except Eva turning out that way was probably because of Anno being fricked in the head and feeling guilty about his creations rather than to cater to the audience
No, he's the most based villain. Literally the ubermensche using his own force of will to shape reality.
shut up dyke. hes a boring homosexual.
we know
and?
I don't understand why people point things out like this, and say XIV isn't FF when it is so chock full of references and homages to the mainline that came before it.
>its like some kind of reference
you dont say
>Is Zenos the worst villian of ffxiv of all time?
AHEM
>of ffxiv
always blizzdrones with the stellar reading comprehension
You mean Zenos the chad who saved the ending after emo bird nearly ruined it? No, no he is not.
He's a villain because he loves you.
Has anyone else done this trope?
>Ganker is attempting to talk story again
post toons
>twitter filename
>caring about where an image comes from
Tourist.
wait is that supposed to be ff4 zenos?
after playing the ffxvi demo i cant get out of my head how fricking kino ffxiv could be if it wasnt held back by its ps3 engine and 5 dollar animation budget
>6.5 is gonna lead to another 1.0 event
>7.0 announced as another reboot with all new engine and graphics
ITS GONNA HAPPEN
Copingway no, you're gonna overdose! Don't wonder about the possible technical improvements, that way lies madness and despair!
6.5 will be a calamity brought on by Shtola opening portals between the first and the thirteenth.
At the ned she uses Flow so we're going to think she's dead
Nah this time we'll Flow with her and we'll get to see the 13th's broken ass lifestream that we can literally just walk out of.
We'll be naked though.
>she tries to open stable gates between the source, first, and thirteenth to balance shit between the two shards
>it goes fricking haywire and stops the frickup between the local portals by letting the energy loose in some other direction
>it blows through every other remaining shard instead and insta-calamities them
>thus we have the new threat of all that energy rushing back into the source, and the excuse for why SE will never need to make assets for those places
The twins try to fix Y'shtola's mess by using the book Louisoix gave them, but it use up so much power they turned to stone
I love those ideas, but realistically 7.0 is just going to be another middle-tier expac like Stormblood
I'm fine with this so long as I can continue to play on PS4
>b b but ps5
nah.
have a nice day. You homosexuals are what's holding the rest of us back
If you don't play on PS4 with only other PS4 players you didn't clear the raid tier.
Everyone makes fun of me because i don't casual glam and just stick to the regular SAM stuff....
me too anon
keep that head up king
lore appropriate outfits are objectively superior
I think Zenos as a character only makes sense if he was a woman. Final Fantasy is more able to make sense of a battle-thirsty, nihilistic woman than a (you)-sexual, smooth talking pretty boy.
Yes, made by fujoshit to fujoshit.
Funny enough many women dislike Zenos while men tend to favor him.
Fujotrash likes cringe characters like Graha, Zenos is for otome stacies.
How is Venat so perfect? I want to PLAP Venat.
And he was a good friend
The reason why Ryne, Gaia, Unu and Cylva aren't involved in the 6.xx msq is because both the 1st and the 13th will rejoin with the Source
That is a BIG calamity..
Look I'm a deathgay but even I'd be fricking mad.
Thinking about it, revealing that 7.0 is gonna be some expedition basically murdered my expectations for that "big world altering event" in 6.5. Because it's surely not gonna be that big or alter the world a whole lote if the immediate next step is just going on some random scholarly expedition that's not even getting cancelled after said event.
The "big world altering event" will be the graphics update.
>WoL, Y'shtola and Estinien all sitting at the beach in Thavnair in the middle-late section of 6.5, just staring at the waves, after literally everything went perfectly fine and there were no more plot twist.
>"...so that was all..."
>"Just a big waste of time, yeah."
>"No payoff."
>"Nope."
>Zero in the background jumping up and down under a palm tree trying to grab some fruit.
>Estinien starts working out again
the whole point of 7.0 not having a pivot in patches is so they can give a fresh start to newplayers that get filtered in zodiark arc.
a build up would cuck this
7.0 will be the most vanilla "adventure" ever and only halfway in the xpac we will find some sort of threat
I mean I'm ok with that as long as they don't make it boring, I had a lot of fun with 6.1, but this whole patch story has really just been building up stakes and constantly going
>Just wait for it! All this build up will be worth it!
which isn't even really the kind of story I anticipated after 6.1, and now it's all looking like it's gonna fall short from what was hyped up anyway. However this story ends can't probably be that big of a deal if next expansion is just back to 6.1 style comfy adventures and world building.
yeah, my gripes with the patches too.
5 patches to build up zeromus is too much when the patches are only void stuff.
it's very hard to make it pay off and I dont think it will, unless we make some sort of shit where the void and the first merge or something, even if we just fix the void, it will be a "just" moment, no great build up for the next xpac, just a self contained adventure that should've been side content
Yeah, the big issue is the WoL power level right now. No real threat can stand up to them right now considering we literally fight gods.
Meh, the gods are obviously holding back.
WoL will also get stronger once he gets Azem's 13th Shard
We're switching leaveitical kino!
His power level comes from the Azem crystal. It's only a matter of time until the writers shatter it.
>canonically fights Thordan and his knights ALONE
>Thordan dies shitting his pants seeing the WoL as a monster of darkness
anon, WoL was a beast for a long time...
>The Azem crystal will be completely spent fixing whatever 6.5 causes
Yep it's gonna be kino.
if it happens
>Ishikawa throws a tantrum about her creations being destroyed once again
>gets Hiro demoted
That crystal must go for the sake of the story
>Climax of 7.0 is WoL producing the Azem mask and summoning on their own
>it seems that by summoning the memories of Azem to defeat [insert villain name] you have spent all his essence, and with all unsundered dead you can no longer user the powers of creation magics, you are now but a simple adventurer WoL, no more powerful than your companions... it may be hard, but I am sure you will find your way around the world as one of us mere mortals.
>enough power fantasy plot armor reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
of 7.0 is WoL producing the Azem mask
That should be 6.55's climax. I'd fricking love that. Just a one time thing to never be repeated as we close out this Ascian story and welcome in 7.0's new adventure
Aren't we close to a full person though? Aether wise, even without Azem's crystal, we're almost an Ascian, aren't we?
Golbez is going to use the red moon to explore space
He's actually the best villain. He's completely honest with you from that start and clear about his intentions. He only exists to fight and kill. Why does he fight and kill? Because he can and because he wants to. Why does he want to fight and kill the WoL? Because the WoL is strong.
That's it, that's the villain. No plans for galactic domination, no plans to obtain godhood, no plans to enslave hyur women. He just wanted to fight for the rest of his life. I like simple and clear villains.
Yes because he redeemed himself and became your best friend, that means he ISN'T a villain at all.
Guys I hate Dalriada. Is it truly the best way to level up?
But Ganker told me Bozja was dead content, how could you be doing Dalriada?
Poorly
Top wiping because there's not enough people.
Middle never doing call outs and never standing on the platform so I play out the microwave hallway from MGS4, slowly crawling along paralyzed while eating every single knockback laser
Robo Diabolos oneshotting me with Death because I'm bad
Just awful all around.
It took me almost 3 months of almost all day in Bozja to get the 50 records for the 2 seater mount. Dalriada shouldn't be bothered with unless you can get 4 people, where 1 of those can go up top to solo. As for laser hallway, 2 on each side. I keep the Cure 1 spell with me for self healing (unless you play healer in there of course) because it's unlimited and costs nothing. Take care of yourself before others, stick to one side of the hallway. Ideally use the bloodletter potions, where you get healed for the damage you do and an hp buff, that helps a ton in keeping you alive. If you can't dodge though, use the guardian potion where it just buffs your defense/health.
no, doing the fates in z3 is.
Dadadada is only good if the party is using essences and can speed clear it
do gay guys actually get off on this?
I just find this obscenely comedic in a positive way
Honestly, whenever I see thicc women I feel the same.
that's how mafia works
All that's missing is a 'the Hedgehog' after his name. He's someone's DeviantArt OC.
Yes. He makes Kuja look like an actual man and his motivation is generic bad guy trope. I mainly blame it on the writers since all villains written by Japanese devs are basically the same. You just know he was created to make the himbo interns goo themselves every day because japs are perverted and make blizzard lawsuits look like a highlights magazine.
Sorry gayhomies, but this is what 7.0 will be
>Calamity buildup event starts after 6.5
>7.0 is a hard reset, the source and all shards are effectively destroyed
>Only surviving people are those present on the moons of the thirteenth and the source (scions and assorted side characters)
>The loporrits have to take everyone to a new habitable star
>New star isn't found right away
>Several patches are spent on the moon and dealing with a long-lost Allagan threat present on it
>This is effectively the new starting area for all new characters, though instanced
>New star is found, new story begins
My dad works for atari, this is real
>After everything we did in EW the world goes to shit anyway.
>And the only actual bulk of population we manage to get away with is the fricking garleans that already went to the moon.
That is beyond depressing.
Fund it.
The problem is that this would shut out all the previous content, including side quests you didn't do yet. They won't "destroy" current areas at all, just add new ones. 7.0 is dropping PS4 and giving us a graphics update.
>exact same motivation as Zenos
>completely forgotten
It's because he's not traditionally handsome, is it?
he's not handsome, have a sad past or is a real threat
He's not forgotten, people still say
>Its as if all me namedays have come at once
same motivation as Zenos
I don't remember him being particularly motivated by "muh hunt" and stuff. More like he was just a bumbling goon picking fights when he thought he could win easy and get something from it and at most occasionally got hype from getting a power up, because he thought it'd make him win easy (it didn't).
Should have posted that one catboy though.
Not the same motivation at all.
Grynewaht fought you multiple times because every time you defeated him, Yotsuyu's opinion of him got worse, and he was desperate to be recognized as competent.
This led to him agreeing to a horrific experiment that basically tore his sanity from him.
What is Cloud of Darkness doing? Golbez did mention her
If she knows what's good for her she's staying out of my sight.
The worst FF villain is probably Cloud of Darkness or Chaos.
>Leylines
>can slidecast around all you want
>can even leave it and teleport back inside if necessary
>Ten Chi Jin
>if you need to move the slightest inch in the 6ish seconds you need to spend all your mudras it's completely wasted and your burst is ruined
>BLM is known as the "turret job"
>acting like 6 seconds is anything compared to 20
7.0 will give us a dual pistol job
PLEASE
I NEED IT
Or a dual sword job.
Thats going to be JUG
I've been praying for it.
why not both?
He's the worst because he's supposed to be a mirror to your generic WoL character.
He'd be better if he actually had a character to reflect off of.
I don't know if I hate G'raha or find him adorable
I want to cuddle this cat in a non-gay way and cum on his tummy.
Are Hrothgar good for you?
Is it bad that I recognize a bunch of those faces? Hate Hrothgars though, I'm an Au-ra man.
>Play as a cool big lion man
>Meet another one
>It's a gay ooc furry
>He emotes at me
Ugh.
As a hfoam chad I find ffxiv very lacking. I hope that my hmoaf brethrens eat good when femroth releases.
I hope they are taller than male hroths
I hope they never get released
they will and they hrothgals will be the new femroes
Honestly, now I wish if it means less transbian "mommies" shitting up my race's rep
wth is a hfoam
speak human you freak
how can I fap if i don't know your language
human female on anthro male
go on, iam listening
The duality of creation
>hfoam
I refuse to let that sit in my long term memory
>Play as a cool big lion man
I've only seen two cool Hroths in my 3000 hours played. One looked like a grizzled field commander with a medal. The other was a fully armored Sage.
Everyone else is gay
they look like shit, their mods are shit and they're all pedophiles
>wants to find a big burly daddy to take care of them
That's the exact opposite of a pedophile
You've never come across creepy as shit Hrothgar that try to act like everyone's daddy? Those are straight up pedophiles and groom the shit out of dumb as frick autistic Hrothgar regardless of age
Help
I'm so bored of MNK I can't stand it anymore.
Is RPR or BRD fun?
-For Savage
if you think MNK is boring RPR will straight up put you in a coma
F
My last hope before going Phys Ranged is NIN but my NIN is super goofy
Help! I'm not having fun!
I have a Hroth that spams me with kisses and hugs whenever I bump into him in Limsa. He's cute.
>Meteion literally says "Beep boop: shutting down individual self and connecting with hivemind"
>brainlets think she has the agency to be evil
Zenos was absolutely fricking garbage that came from the worst expansion, and brought endwalker down every time he showed up until he finally had his first good line in the series about the notch on his blade. the writers expected us to give a shit about him as an adversary without actually doing anything with him other than making him a nuisance. he's the same situation that happened with the latest pokemon. absolutely SHIT until the very very end that left you wondering if they just forgot the write the games story.
Ew
This guy cares deeply about the plot of Pokémon.
I do not but its a good comparison because everything about those games were shit except the final fight.
>Try out BLM
>Cool how it does so much damage
>The immobile aspect isn't fun at all and I can see why it's not very used in harder content
>Try out RDM
>The dualcast system is cool and the shifting from ranged to melee seems neat
>The mana system feels janky and the fact that melee seems to basically be just to dump mana feels weird
>Too early to tell much more
>SMN
>Fricking summons, neat aspect of shifting through the elements as a result of your latest summon
>Each element is just colored Ruin with some quirks
I feel like we need a new magical dps.
>2 triplecast stacks
>swiftcast
>sharpcast thunder/fire
>random thunder/fire procs
>xenoglossy
>amplifier
>ice phase paradox
>aetherial manipulation
>between the lines
>"immoble"
Yeah, maybe if you're a brainlet lmao
>6 casts every two minutes goes fast
>once per minute
>2 per minute
>thunder relies on an inconsistent proc while fire relies on paradox fire and fire I
>twice per minute
>once every two minutes
>Most usable
>Fairly usable, but depends on the mechanic
>Only available with leylines active
Right, that's why people jump to take the average BLM in their party over SMN
That's honestly all the movement you need after you learn the fight except for rare cases like the autism tree, the reason people go for summoner is because it gets all it's movement for free without any thought, black mage can be almost as mobile in most fights if played well
>if played well
If by well you mean nearly immacuately along with having at least one party member operating to account for you.
Anon, I usually hover around 85%-95% uptime and I'm an extremely mediocre black mage, it really isn't that hard
Anon, we're not talking about normal raids and dungeons here.
Yeah, I'm talking about savage
I'm still progging p11s, please have mercy
Now imagine if you weren't playing a job that adds so much strain to a party.
Like I said the job is not that hard to play, I'd still be stuck on p11s if I played summoner because the problem is party finder autism and my own mechanical skill issues not my job choice
If they hadn't gutted the DoT system, I'd love to have Green Mage in the game as a dedicated DoT-style damage job that can do things like overlap various DoTs for various effects (cast Oil on an enemy to do damage, a DoT, and lower their fire resistance; then cast a fire-based DoT to consume the Oil for a stronger initial hit and resulting DoT; or do it in reverse to consume the fire DoT and cause a single big instant damage).
>Try out RDM
>The dualcast system is cool and the shifting from ranged to melee seems neat
>The mana system feels janky and the fact that melee seems to basically be just to dump mana feels weird
>Too early to tell much more
You have absolutely no idea how RDM works. Please, read/watch a guide.
Explain how what he said was wrong
The only manasink rdm has is raising your ugly lala ass when you're kissing the floor for 8th time per boss.
>blah blah blah wah wah wah projection!
Yeah yeah yeah
Anyways he didn't say it was a mana sink, he said melee was just for dumping mana
You know, the central mechanic of RDM
The central mechanic of RDM is cosplaying BLM.
Where's the Athena porn?
In terms of Final fantasy villains he's a contender for top 5 AT THE VERY LEAST
Zenos filter redditors
>A TEST OF YOUR TYPE MATCHUPS!
What Pokemon would Zenos have on his team?
All Ditto.
and a Giratina
Reminder that thanks to fujukawa and her "writing" we have an alternate Source with:
Emet alive
Elidibus alive
Fandaniel alive
Mitron and Loghrif possibly alive
Athena free in the lifestream
Zodiark alive and one extra time rejoined
And a means to travel between the Source and alternate Source
schizo
he is right cutscene skipper
No u
get naked now
But that's gay
straight up schizo
No u
Don't forget Endsinger is still alive in that timeline. She's gonna consume that timeline/universe and try to find her to ours to finish the job. We'll get an entire expansion dedicated to Themis ala Rhapsodies of Vana'diel. I miss the Ancients being literal SPOOKY MYSTERY homieS. Just retcon Endwalker already
the alternate timeline is just the location of the Shadowbringers/Endwalker MSQ Ultimates tbh
it isn't, graha future timeline diverges with the wol dying after the 8th calamity, stuff up to there played the same
and lets not forget mide timeline too where Alex nikocadoed the planet
>EW ultimate
>everyone ancient/ascian you've fought approaches you
>venat, hades, themis, hephaistos, athena, ericthonios, loghrif, mitron and hermes have all had visions of the future involving your antics
>hour long fight that ends in a victory lap as the last azem comes in for the save
Probably not my best hypothesis but whatever.
Don't kid yourself. The general reaction to Themis popping in for Pandæmonium was well recieved. Endsinger is still alive in the failed timeline. They'll give the excuse "We followed the Tycoon's trail to here because Endsinger is devouring our universe and you're our only hope" bullshit. Hope it won't happen.
> I miss the Ancients being literal ripoffs of the 13 from KH that had no personality other than "mwahaha we're going to destroy the world for reasons!"
The idea of that timeline still existing is just a feel-good thing so people can sit around and get weepy thinking about how those future characters that developed the time travel tower got to pick up the pieces of their world. As far as I'm concerned it was a permissible grandfather paradox and history was completely altered.
>Try playing a different job
>Have a bit of fun, nice to mix things up some
>Go back to Dancer
>Fun factor multiplies
I don't get it.
>
MUH HUNT
>getting TaPD three days in a row in AR roulette
I want to get off this ride
moonies suck