>It was just a dream
I hate modern FF games more than Satan. I'm going to get this shit refunded.
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>It was just a dream
>It was just a dream
I hate modern FF games more than Satan. I'm going to get this shit refunded.
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I love Satan
fpbp. satan owns. behead christcucks etc.
*tips fedora*
You still need to get ending B
There is no second ending.
There are 3 endings. Normal ending (OPs pic), Perfect Ending (beat all the sidequests), and Secret Ending (no one knows how to unlock this yet)
>no one knows how to unlock this yet
How do you know it exists then?
Trophy/achievement.
There's no trophy for a secret ending
It's secret trophy that nobody knows about yet. No cap, my uncle works at Square Enix.
Oh shit.
Hory shitto
Kino confirmed.
That was already deconfirmed, you get those trophies from the story regularly
Writers should be legally prohibited from doing It was just le dream endings. It should be a criminal offence or something
I USED TO READ WORD UP! MAGAZINE
Based, from now on every time they end it with a "it was a dream" type of ending the credit music has to be from The notorious B.I.G - it was all a dream
>so3 mogs your writing trope
could be worse
You can do it if the game has a lot of bullshit dream logic, and stuff that builds up to it. Link's Awakening makes sense as an "it was all a dream" ending, cause they sold it right.
I MEAN IT'S IN THE FRICKING TITLE.
Link's Awakening is the only story I ever experienced that did it right, it haunts me to this day.
Yep.
> Be me
> Play 'Prey'
> Like it a lot, like the Gloo Gun, etc
> Tipped off something happens if you don't install ANY of the red Psy mods
> It isn't much but it is acknowledged all the same
> Do all of the 'good' choices; wasn't looking at it like good/bad, just wanted to save everyone
> They acknowledge that, too
> I destroy whats-her-face, stun Alex, blow the other ship up by remote, watch the countdown to the station
> I did the right thing, saved who I could, made a tough call by keeping them from getting to Earth, I'm gonna die so it's a fair trade, so yeah, I guess this is alright
Then it happens...
> This is Anon
> Anon is gudboi, bessboi
> Yep, Anon helped me
> Anon helped me, too
> Couldn't have done it without Anon
> So...what do you say, Anon?
I turn on them and kill them all. 10/10 horror ending. I save this game's shitty ending from itself. I win.
Only it's not a dream. They outright say the simulation was a reconstruction of what actually happened to the real Yu.
Second Sight has it to somenextent and its amazing.
You wake up with amnesia then have flashbacks, with the flashbacks you can change some stuff that then when you come out of the flashback somehow changed the present too. Then you reach the end and actually the present is just a vision of the most possible future, you can still change it in the flashback because that is in fact the present. You understand that then beat the bad guy and all go home happily ever after. The main part of the game never actually happened
Yeah right PC bros? That means we don't want your stinky Bloodborne, we never wanted it anyway! It's just a le dream please!
Driver: San Francisco at least had some fun with it.
So "Alice in Wonderland" and every single piece of art that copies it, should be illegal?
So Bloodborne should've never existed?
Also, there's a difference between "it was all a dream" and "it happened in a dreamscape".
>He thinks it was just a dream
why did you defeat your own argument with the 3rd sentence?
I didn't. "Alice in Wonderland" is a straight-up dream.
>So "Alice in Wonderland" and every single piece of art that copies it, should be illegal?
he didn't say to make the existence of the story illegal, just the creation. So in that case, AiW would be legal to own but illegal to create in the first place.
>Bloodborne was just a dream
Well, I mean, that's true I guess
It literally is, although "dreamscape" might be a better term. They outright say it's not the "waking world".
>mfw this guy dies and realizes what our reality is
Only autists believe in reality. Whatever the hell that means. Mediums are negligible and what matters is the application of will alone. Whether you thought the stakes were higher or lower depending on the medium is pure bug brain. By faith alone.
>they call it a fantasy so it is one
Damn homie you stupid
>Book written by Joshua rosfield.
>Joshua dies (for real a 2nd time) near the game end, so he can't have written the book if it was a real story
Damm homie you moronic
so I didn't read the fricking synopsis that leaked, how does this book exist? in what world is it written in?
just some fricking place of no note?
>Clive succeeds in reviving Joshua but it isn't shown
>book owned by people in the magicless future shows players the brothers did in fact get their happy ending
Now where it is shown in game that this happens?
In my head
By the fact that the book exists you fricking moron
>Phoenix
It was telegraphed from the very get go Barry. Please try harder or at least find a higher octane petrol to sniff you literal fauna subhuman
>Clive succeeds
Actual fanfiction. He literally blew up the Nexus afterwards. Yes, Clive survives but he's a superhuman alien.
Honestly, the ending is very straight forward but you lads keep coping that it has a hidden meaning.
>Clive survives
Anon…
>Game offers no explanation for the magical planet cancer
>BUT IN THE FUTURE IT WAS FIXED BECAUSE A BOOK EXISTS
>Despite the way more powerful alien creators of humanity being unable to fix it.
C'mon, you know this is just cope. They had zero fixes for the Blight during the game. It being a book also fixes all the weird ass things like the grounded setting going full DBZ since it's just a fairy tale.
The Ultima couldn't fix it because it was linked to themselves, the crystals. It goes away when the heroes get rid of it all along with magic.
homie thats the point
Humanity could fix it, therefore humanity fixed it
The phoenix literally leaves Joshua as he dies morons. And the whole place where Joshua's body was literally collapsed, he is so dead it's not even funny.
The entire story is the book Final Fantasy, none of it actually happened.
They tried to rip off the ending of Game of Thrones but fricked it up spectacularly.
So is this another Auracite Ultima? same as Jenova, Ultima from tactics, and Ultima from ff14?
Probably, on her latest appearances all Ultimas have been hinted to be not so much aliens but extra dimensional entities.
yea that is what I meant, and their new connection to Jenova as well, meaning all of them are probably similar in origin, not Aliens, but from outside the Universes of FF itself, an invasive, parasitic, hungry force.
> and their new connection to Jenova as well
Wtf are you talking about?
>all of them
FFT Ultima has a clear origin as one of many creations of the Occuria thanks to FF12.
Holy shit, that's bad. How can one company be so consistently shit for almost 20 years? It looks pretty, but there just isn't any gameplay.
Someone needs to shop A Tale of Blizzara and Fira into this or the OPs pic
>rip off GoT
this is your brain on american fast food
The comparison to GoT was deliberate, I wouldn’t insult Tolkien by associating his work with this schlock. Also Bilbo was actually present during “There and Back Again”, whereas Sam was not present for the majority of ‘Song of Ice and Fire’ just like this shit show.
https://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-xvi-ff16-game-of-thrones-release-date-1850463424
>watching the series instead of reading the books
I'd call out zoomer Netflix mentality for this, but then I guess even boomers once had homework from school to do and just copied shit from each other or read summaries instead of wasting time with the source.
>gets proven wrong in multiple posts
>has to find another route for insults instead of addressing the point
Not even that anon, but what delicious autism you have. Keep squirming.
we dont see joshua ever writing anything
YoshiP literally said he was making GoT. He also insulted JRPGs and other shit like that. It is literally in the interviews.
wtf is that fight?
what's wrong with modern ff?
MMO Developer = MMO Experience
>ripping off shit from the most widely reviled finales in mainstream media
YoshiP is a genuine hack. Remember how this tard was supposedly "saving" Final Fantasy?
What the frick is that battle. It's like an even longer and more confusing DMC Mundus battle with FF14 raid mechanics and sandwiched in between the dumb Tales of Arse alien story. And GoT of course. So bad. Far too long. The writing is ass and even the music doesn't hold up for a final battle. The Ardyn fight was ass but at least Ifrit was good. The Orphan finale was hilariously bad but the fights were good and the music was kino. This is shit.
>How does this book exist
The same way Hansel and Gretel exists. Joshua redfield made it the frick up, and has a self insert in the book.
Eikons aren't real. The people in the ending say so.
The ending is literally "I made it all the frick up"
homosexual cope. Conveniently ignoring that he's writing about events that he wasn't even anywhere nearby for. "And then Hugo had a schizo cuck fantasy"
>Written by someone who died
>Writes about things he couldn't possibly have knowledge of.
Cope and dilate
Don't bother arguing with these morons. They probably think Divine Comedy actually happened, because there is "no way a character can be a stand in for the author with the same name".
Some real life dude writing a self-insert is one thing, but a piece of fiction having a whole extra layer of "It was really a book being written by some dude all along" just for the sake of it, and not actually doing anything with it, just seems weird and unlikely. It's more likely that the events actually happened and someone wrote about them.
I know "it's too stupid to be true" doesn't mean it isn't, people create all kinds of stupid shit. But I don't know, Occam's Razor and all that. What would be the purpose of an entire extra layer of fictionalization that isn't utilized in any way?
about things he couldn't possibly have knowledge of.
Almost like Clive also couldn't have known some of the events that Joshua participated in. Or the cutscenes with other people.
So you agree that the book is made up fanfic?
This post wasn't the ebic win you think it was.
wrong quote
>So you agree that the book is made up fanfic?
absolutely
Clive wrote the fricking book jesus christ you guys might be moronic. He already took on Cid's name once and this time he did it in honor of Joshua
This is the only interpretation that makes sense. Clive makes it his fricking mission to break the crystals and end magic. These people think magic is so ridiculous its just a fairy tale. Why the frick would they make this connection if not to say Clive succeeded.
>people don't name their kids after people close to them
If we are all going to throw our own headcanon, its literally just a descendant who wrote down Clive's bed time stories about how he and his brother saved the world.
or maybe some homosexual wrote the book while sucking dicks under a bridge for crack
anything goes, right?
japs are so shit at endings its hilarious
NO
REFUNDS
Must suck to be a mutt. My country has consuner laws meaning I get my full refund.
after you beat the game? Kek I think not
Denmakr has a 2 week refund policy for goods bought online. As long as it is considered a 'spontanious buy.
I have no idea whats going on here but isn't it saying its "Final Fantasy, written by Joshua Rosfield"?
meaning its a history book written by the Brother?
>History
>Fantasy in the title
What fricking hackery from the Japanese again. They need to not use English if they're going to keep this loanword shit up.
Japanese mean fantasy as in Adventure, not fiction.
It's all just fiction written in an in-universe book.
what Universe would that be then? what world is that book resting on right there.
Joshua Rosfield is an author who wrote a fantasy story that children in a non-magical world play in as the make believe Eikon's of the game. Just like us, the player: eternal manchildren still playing Final Fantasy. Yoshi-P basically called us GAY, like OP.
Did yoship really just call me a manchild and tell me to have sex
Yes, stop being a gay, video games are gay, and start a family like the mom and her kids, only children play fantasy stories.
>Written by the dead dude spatchwienered by a chestburster ayy lmao
There are ways to do this successfully, the Princess Bride for example.
I thought that one started with old uncle reading a fairy tale to a kid
Yep.
that can be a good framing device when its done well
If it's a 35 hour story why has everyone finished it already
>15 hours+25 hours of terrible sidequests IS 35 hours, chud
>15 hours
I'm starting to hope so. I'm at around 11 hours, Clive in his 30s, and the game's just kind of met so far. For every scene of amazing kaiju kino there's what feel like endless stretches of walk and talk to that BULLSHIT to pad the whole thing out. I hate this shit more than I did in VIIR.
>What is FFTA (2003), FFTA2 (2007) and to a certain extent FFT (1997)
pretty sure at least in FFT its a book written by one of the characters met in game.
It's been a while but I'm pretty sure it's a book written by Orran's son or grandson. Orran himself after the game's end, ends up getting burnt at the stake for keeping record of the church's involvement with the stones and political crimes and leaves behind archives for his son/grandson to finish what he started and get the truth out there.
yea FFT was rather bleak, all Ramza's heroics are basically forgotten, with only a single book written by the descendent of a disgraced scholar to prove it ever happened.
and Ramza's childhood friend Delita never once gives a single frick about honoring the real hero of the story, he just eats up all the power he can get his gluttonous, shitty hands on.
It doesn't matter, Ramza won at the end.
even if we knew nothing else, Ramza wins, being a selfless hero is the highest esteem humanity can give someone, even to the unsung, unknowns.
its why the "hero's Journey" is the most compelling story type there is, it's a deep resonance.
Ramza slaying his universe's equivalent to Lucifer and then riding off is fricking bad ass as hell.
glad FF14 spent a whole raid tier jacking him off and reconceptualized how insane it is that a fighter of seemingly no note would be able to fight (and in 14's case) contain such an ungodly beast.
I wish we would get more FFT games.
would FFT have been better with Delita as the final boss and no Lucavi? its pretty funny Ultima drags down the plot of both games here
I wish the character writing in XVI was even half as good as Tactics
Don't forget Delita spends the rest of his life surrounded by the very people he hates while Ramza goes on a kick-ass journey with people he loves who love him. Meanwhile the woman Delita thought he could relate to was so disgusted by him she tried to kill him and Delita spent the rest of his life with scummy, backstabbing nobles and corrupt, controlling church priests.
FFTA could get away with it since other games make it clear it was ALWAYS a fake Ivalice
Durai's chronicle in the original FFT is a historical account of actual events that took place in the past, it's all in-universe. Not a dream or made-up story.
Where does it say in game for FF16 that the book was all made up?
Everyone here is going off some speed run leak where they only have heard bits and pieces of the 50 hour story. Pro tip: watch the beginning of the demo (game). It’s framed as a record.
No, most of us have already watched it, unlike you. We just didn’t pay $75 for a 17 hour cutscene.
>video from yesterday
>17 hour long video
>claiming to have already watched it all and took it all in
>doesn’t include the other 20 hours of game and side quests and worldbuilding
Kinda proving my point there mate.
I watched the ending, not the stupid Movie Game. He is dead in the book.
>Everyone here is going off some speed run leak
This is what you said, and you were wrong. Keep moving those goalposts.
>game came out today
>watching a video from yesterday of some leaker speed running the whole game
Yup. That’s what I claimed. And that’s what you’re going off of you dumb Black person.
FFTA2 establishes that FFTA and it take place in Ivalice, just far enough in the future that it's become modern and has PS2s and shit.
Even worse
>it was just a game
I USED TO READ WORD UP! MAGAZINE
What's worse?
A: all a dream
B: all a game
game
trapped in a mmo shit ti the worst thing imaginable
I crineg and roll eyes until I vomit
crosscode is pure ludo, and you got filtered early if you think it was about an mmo
t. shit enjoyer
A is worse. B allows unpretentious in-game fun scenarios to proliferate and is thus connected to the roots of gaming. Only when B becomes full meta story not by Sam Lake, can it become worse than A, but I assumed we were only designating A and B as endings, so that doesn't have to happen.
I think the whole point of ff16 is to see how much mediocrity they can get away with. It’s like a stress test
>This is an imaginary story... aren't they all?
But also, even authors that died before finishing the story are placed on the cover if someone completes it, sometimes without that someone adding their name there.
You haven't even played the game, your entire time has been spent scouring the internet for negative reviews. You are obsessed
Isn't the implication that the author who wrote this book being the phoenix outlived the events in the book to write about them?
We Umineko now
what a fricking hack yoshida is
Wasn’t it all real and the book is just a retelling of it for future generations?
Is everyone here fricking moronic? the game clearly "happend", as the ending scene is after all magic has been erased, it isn't a fricking fairy tale.
It's all false flagging morons that have been shitting on the game for months. Barry has run out of copes, so his last resort is just being moronic
i want to believe it is just falseflaggers. I refuse to believe people are THIS moronic.
Burger journos are seething about this game since they ignored Kotaku race baits, this barryposting is the actual third world shill on 1usd per hr to shitpost trying to make the game seem bad because their petty peeve about no blacks is that big, and nips dont bending to game urinalists is real.
is this set in the 14 universe? why the frick is Dalmud in the Sky?
Don't you braindead idiots know that sometimes people name their children after someone close to them?
>jOsHuA iS aLiVe
Chances are that Clive survived (as hinted in the ending), had offspring with Jill, and named their son after Clive's deceased brother.
Dunkey video when
Hopefully after you've learned to form your own opinions.
Since the reveal trailer I've already accepted this game is game of the generation and no amount of no Black person taxes will change that. I'd still like to see the vid though
instead of making this pile of shit they could of made lots of new content for 14, what a waste
No one has yet to explain to me how the story is bad
If you need it explained to you how and why deus ex machina, it was all a dream etc are bad you're too moronic to breathe automatically
Feel free to explain why it's bad, I'm sure you can
not that anon, but I'll explain it for everyone else since you know either know the answer and are being disingenuous or couldn't understand the answer if it were explained to you, either one.
Deus ex machina is a cop-out that is akin to the author saying "frick it, I don't know what to do with this story so here's MAGIC to fix all my mistakes/lack of planning". Rarely will anyone complain about it when it's done right (for comedic effect), but otherwise it screws up the logic that led us to the end point of a particular story and people are right to complain about it.
A random-ass solution pops up out of thin air and naturally that throws the player off-guard because that's not what the narrative was building towards. You can excuse that as subversion of expectations but if that's your only motivation then you're being a homosexual. It's genuinely unsatisfying for the audience to be invested in the characters and a story only for the creator to pull cheap-ass tricks to resolve a conflict.
How is the story before it bad
I explained that, moron. Again, see the first line of my post. You're too stupid to understand the explanation.
Given that
explains why your premise is baloney, can you tell me why the story is bad
No one has actually played it yet, or seen anything outside of a vague plot synopsis and some screenshots. Just ignore these morons
Here is just saved you $75
17 hours of cutscenes and the game is 30 hours long? What are they thinking?
Wait is the game actual 50% cutscenes? Holy fricking shit
50% is generous, it feels more like 70%
Looks kino.
Ummmmmmm, burden of proof is on you to prove the story is good sweaty 🙂
I never said it's good but you did say it's bad so how is it bad
How is the story bad
I've only watched that final battle video that was posted earlier. If that is any indication on how the rest of the game is, then it's loaded with pretentious dialogues with pregnant pauses to drench the lines in some sort of meaning. Couple that with a Dragonball Z lightshow and you have a story, that however good or bad it is, is told in a way that is only impressive to young teens and the mentally numb.
Not to say that the series has ever reached great depths, but after 16 entries, you kind of hope they would do something different than "the power of friendship saves the world" again.
>I watched a 2 minute gameplay clip, here is why the story is bad
Never change Ganker
>"the power of friendship saves the world" again.
How many Final Fantasy games does this happen in, list them.
Honestly game is great
Yeah and in reality, it was just a game. What's the big deal ?
What's to say it wasn't real? Everything could have happened with the book being a recount by Joshua and the mom could have just been living in bumfrick nowhere away from the events.
What part of Joshua is dead before the story ends did you not understand, you fricking inbred troglodyte moron
Man who came back from the dead does so once again.
What's so hard to understand about that moron?
His summon is literally phoenix, the bird that resurrects from death
Because, you fricking moron, he dies again AFTER he loses his phoenix powers. You absolute subhuman piece of trash. How about I open your skull huh? You ever think of that? You stupid frick.
Oh yeah, no one has ever gotten back from that lol
Is this your first fantasy game? You sound like a mad loser
That's not the ending dummy. It's been so long since the events of XVI people consider it a fantasy book rather than a historical event. Same with dragons and magic in real.
Okay
But if it's been so long why do the brothers and mother look like they live in a fricking mutt house?
It's not our world that's why. No industrial revolution no advancement in tech rapidly.
Play the fricking game.
This is a pretty advanced civilization. I'm not asking for people with ipads. But presumably its been a long ass time, we made a fricking motor engine in the base game; yet hundreds of years later (likely even thousands) society hasn't evolved?
They didn't wanted to make new assets for the game maybe? There will be a DLC or a sequel in the future anyways. It will answer the ending to people who didn't understood it again.
I played a JRPG with something similar.
7th Dragon III.
The game has a very advanced, modern society, then it goes back in time to Atlantis, then it reveals the setting of the first game, a medieval fantasy setting, was actually the future, and Atlantis, despite their remnants being still existant, was regarded as a vague lost element of the past.
There's also Etrian Odyssey IV, where what was actually a group of scientists preparing a massive project to save the world happened so long ago that the only records of their efforts were in a bloodstained library sealed away from humanity. The servitor races they made in a lab became naturalized to the earth and gained their own cultures and myths, and humanity formed a new civilization that had a much lower tech level than the original.
Or in The Alliance Alive, looking into some of the side areas shows that what was regarded as "The demons sealed each realm away from each other, and went to the world beyond" was in actuality an act of sabotage by a single daemon-race man who killed a young researcher named Valerie that was heading a project to colonize another world via the use of special plants, and the the "devils" in the water were the malformed amalgams borne of the people who perished in a spacefaring ship he stole. The beast-people enslaving humanity were in fact the result of horrific human experiments rather than an elite ruling class who had always done so, and the King who headed all this was sealed away as a Lich and forgotten by history. The stories people told their children were that it had always been this way, and whole generations of people grew up in a walled-off land designated as a prison, never knowing what the original state of their world was.
We save images like a dragon hoards treasure. Think about it...
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>too stupid to realize what the conversation is about
yeah, nah, you're likely a Black person. have a nice day and don't reply to me again.
Can you explain how the story is bad? I haven't heard you mention a single character or plot point yet. Curious
>talking about why deus ex machina is bad
>"b-but talk about this instead!"
too stupid for this world, redditor.
Witcher but Japan
You knows it's bad when the only way you can reject the fact that everything actually happened far in the past is by assuming the most ridiculous positions
>they had to show literally everything in the book!!!! That means the cuck shit, sex and cutscenes no one was around for!!!!
Can't notice you're conveniently ignoring the fact that Joshua is dead long before the story is over so this proves the story is his made up fanfic.
Cope seethe sneede dilate, troon.
Your next cope will be
>b b b but maybe someone else wrote it in his name to honour him
Lmao. Kektus erectus.
Why is someone writing it in his name an impossibility, what makes it headcanon
10
ITT: infantile views on fiction
Everything happened far in the past.
>but who wrote it
Clive
>but how did he know all the shit he wasn't around for
He didn't, the videogame you played is not 1 to 1 to the book those kids read
>prove it
Prove your moronic deus ex shartina headcanon, you can't
>He didn't, the videogame you played is not 1 to 1 to the book those kids read
Yeah, this is actually pretty normal in fiction. A book or a flashback acts as a window into that era for the viewer, the writer or flashback-haver (flashbacker?) doesn't literally have to have seen everything or be 100% accurate
(It's more interesting writing when the account is unreliable because of the person giving it though)
> We barely need stats
> We don't need status ailments
> We don't need elemental weaknesses/strengths
> We don't need skill/magic variety
> We don't need Black folk, but we add homosexuals instead
> We don't need active exploration
> We don't need good sidequests
> We don't need secrets around the world
> We don't need turns, it's time to evolve
> RPG evolution is literally just Devil May Cry
Can't believe shazam won this one...My fault for trusting MMOBlack folk who promised that Yoshi-P was a kino machine
Please play Xeno if you want this disaster but actually good
lol
Why are you begging?
Cause it ripped it off, particularly Gears, awfully. Just for people that saw any potential and were disappointed
i hope this shit flops. i don't need baby gameplay and i don't need such a disgusting pozz story
when will these frickers in japan understand going full west is not the solution here?!
>when will these frickers in japan understand going full west is not the solution here?!
Last time SE went full "Westernization is teh future" we got FFXIII
I'm so fricking tired of shit endings in videogames, bros. It's like there's no point in beating games anymore.
Trust Remedy
Oh my god!
Heavensward was a dream this whole time
Except the Heavensward book is explicitly called a memoir from the get go. You know a a historical account or biography?
The ending is obviously takes part in the future
They wanted to go with the LOTR and witcher style of world, where magic eventually ceases to completely exist. I personally find that depressing
>LotR and the Hobbit were literally just books that Bilbo wrote
wtf Tolkein's a hack? What a shitty cop-out.
You never beaten FF1?
>ending is shit, just like GOT
kino
wait there's another kiss scene?
At least they get a close up on the kiss. Unlike Dion's kissing scene.
Oh so the frick more than that one time on beach isn't out of the realm of possibility, huh?
This should've been a mainquest, not a sidequest. We wouldn't have so many morons thinking Clive died then
when did this happen? I assume after the sex scene.
what's up with the gay alien shit people talked about?
It's this scene people are talking about. No sex takes place but trolls don't care about the context. Take a look.
Damn, that was more cringe than I expected
Please don't compare FF16 with Umineko. Umineko might have shit the bed but it had actual complex and nuanced character writing
did you homosexuals rush through on easy just to spoil yourselves
Nope, there had been leaks a few days before release. So the whole game has been pretty much revealed online.
>spoil
Sorry to have to break this to you, anon but none of these games are real.
>>It was just a dream
I love this twist tho
I used to read word up magazine
>Tactics was an in universe book
>Heavensward was also an in universe book
>both kino
Sometimes you gays are real annoying.
>game is literally about leaving the book
tactics is one of those 1hundred monkeys using a typewriter situation.
is kino, but ffxvi is no where near that level.
Tactics was framed to be a book about events that had already happened where history was falsified. It told you this in the first minute of the game.
Nothing about FF14 can ever be kino because it's just WoW with an FF11 skin on top.
I think people got dumber since tactics came out. The same concept is impenetrable now.
Tactics was a recorded history of true events in-universe.
I honestly don’t get why it’s even a bad thing that they are retelling the story
See
morons just grasping a bunch of out of context bullshit trying to claim it’s a disaster.
So many games are framed as a story to the player. Like most, without people realizing. For example, Borderlands 1. But no one ever brings up “lol it was all made up by the bus driver.”
Please let this be real.
Can someone post full spoilers?
you know a games story is kino when the morons on Ganker get angry about it not making sense
is kino when Ganker fight over what the implications are or if the journey was worth it? like we agreeing on marche being right on tactics advance as someone brought above.
arguing if a story was real to begin with a final scene is just making eople mad for it being detrimental to the story itself.
Has the game brought maybe some nothces or clues about this being a story told by someone else this final scene would have been a lot better and actually pack a punch
>like we agreeing on marche being right on tactics advance
>we
marche was wrong tough.
>marche being right
he would only be right if the world they got in was actually fake and not a parallel universe. that world got real living breathing people in it.
if their real bodies were left IRL in a decaying state like SAO while they were chilling in the fictional world, he would be right. but as it stands, they could start living there and proceed as usual.
sure their parents would miss them, but if they were a little older they would just say it's like moving abroad.
>Has the game brought maybe some nothces or clues about this being a story told by someone else
Oh, so I take it you got this game 2 weeks ago and took your time playing and beating it? Oh wait, you’re just going off the overall story beats from a leaker.
I swear this game's ending is a great IQ test, it's filtering out so many subhuman morons it's actually insane
So what's the ending? I haven't bought a Final Fantasy in a decade and I don't plan to.
Everyone is saying people got filtered but all I'm gathering is that the whole game was a dream. What happened?
The ending, at least the part featured in the OP, is just the classic trope of a lot of time having passed, and the world has changed so much that everything that happened is now treated more as myth and legend than historical fact.
>and the world has changed so much
yet it's not reflected in game in anyway?
the tech is the same etc
So who sent Benedikta's head to Hugo really? Was it Barnabas?
>In the far future magic is seen as ridiculous and a fairy tale
HOLY KINO CLIVE AND JOSHUA WON
Can we finally agree that Tactics Ogre and DQ are way better than FF?
DQ if you want a more classic experience
Tactics Ogre absolutely not
>Tactics Ogre absolutely not
You are such a fricking b***h
What are you gonna do? Walk calmly towards my back and punch me once?
I like the gameplay in DQ more but I don't expect FF to follow DQ in terms of graphics and themes because it's jolly classic DB with archaic hero's journey antics. it's got a huge neon sign of WYSIWYG and never fails to deliver.
If FF offered that I wouldn't even bother touching it. It's that edgy FF6 feel to it that tries to start wholesome but you know shit's gonna get real later on. 5 backwards also had it but still looked cutesy.
No I love all three get fricked homosexual
>but joshua died
Isn't "revived character takes a while to actually show signs of life" one of the biggest cliches in fiction?
An alien burst out of his chest and he laid there dead for the entire final cutscene.
He never showed any signs of life, even the phoenix left him, and Clive literally just left his body right there while the whole place exploded, he is DEAD.
As usual people are pretending to be moronic and coming to the dumbest conclusions possible
What the frick this thread is full of people who aren’t even playing the game, what the frick is the point to this thread?
Dissuade people from playing it. Exaggerate flaws that might not even exist kek
it reminds me of when xiv endwalker released
for one week there were doomposters everywhere
until the players finished and there was endless kinoposting
and weeks later the trancers were born
>endwalker newbie can't remember the chaos of shb sb or hw launch
>underage cant recall error 30-4b
kek
i wonder where those anons are now
probably traditioned
>le fate will fall
I was hoping devs did something clever like DQV as they said they were inspired by it. Turns out they just meant "kill God again" rather than a twist on the classic chosen one trope
JUST LIKE MUH SONG OF ICE AND FIRE.
UOOOHHH I LOVE GEORGE R.R. MARTIN-SAN. GAME OF THRONESARU WAS THE BEST FANTASY IN THE LAST 40 YEARS.
Really stupid question but gonna ask anyway:
I like FF1, Nioh and seen a few CHAOS memes, do you guys recommend Strangers Of Paradise?
Yeah that was a stupid question
It's a solid game, just don't expect anything nearly as good as either Nioh.
it's got the FF1 references alright
it's got the cringekino PS2 feel alright
but don't expect it to play like Nioh. it's got its own thing and you just feel some mechanics click similar due to the devs' design philosophy
It's fun but it's not nearly as autistic as Nioh
I feel like Nioh was lightning in a bottle for Team Ninja
Side quests seem pretty shitty. I don't know why the director was hyping them up. Most of the worldbuilding has just been how shitty most people treat branded, just repeatedly bashed into you. Then obviously the objectives are just talking to NPCs and killing weak monsters.
Idk everyone that's not trying to actively shit on the game seem to like them and reviewers say they get better. Also that was the only awkward part of the livestream cause there's only so much you can say about story since it's limited to main story and side quests. But he can't even go in depth cause spoilers so he ended up spending like an hour saying yup it has side quests and npcs talk in them
Wait, you beat it already? How short is this game?
The ending leaked. The campaign is about 20-30hrs, not including side quests I think.
Sodomy is kino
gays are based
Final fantasy is BACK!
imagine not liking satan
I hate the world's cornsyrup producer, aka the Greater Satan.
>DOES THE HEAVENSWARD BOOK AGAIN
JESUS CHRIST YOU GOTTA BE SHITTING ME
what did kefka mean by this?
a submariner lives for a prolonged period of time underwater with no means to escape
this means his wife is free to cheat on him since he can't knwo any better and even if he did, there's no way to get out, run back home and stop her.
it's an elaborate way of saying your dad is Sneed Feed and Seed formerly Cuck's
damn my perceptions of what a submariner is have imploded
means he prediction oceangate
They literally show Clive reviving Joshua you stupid fricks
>everybody loves the story
>except nintendo shill reviewers
>and Ganker
Very suspicious
you made the same post in another thread
very suspicious
There are a lot of similar posts in these threads, but you take umbrage with a positive one. Curious
>stop noticing things, goy!
I feel like the dev team didn't really grasp game of thrones like they said they would
The "love you" line is way more romantic in Japanese.
doesn't clive literally use Cids name to preserve his legacy in like, the middle of the game.
what if its just that.
or like so far in the future that history is taught as mythos, and joshua rosfield is just a descendent of the rosfield line, named after a notable member of that line.
idk i feel like theres many viable explanations other than "you just played a game about a myth in a fantasy world", that just doesn't really make any sense.
why are you guys pretending to be stupid about this instead of making fun of the cutscene where barnabas fricks an alien and it turns into his mom? are you actually moronic for real?
Sure there's plenty of alternate explanations, but why does the game need to be so vague about it? It doesn't improve anything, just causes pointless confusion - and not in a good way where it leaves people theorizing, they're just disappointed.
The game is being ambiguous about it because having the player/reader/viewer think for themselves is much better is a more rewarding narrative experience than having everything spoonfed to you.
But I doubt the average moron in Ganker would know that. Some things are better left to one's imagination.
The book was written by
>A revived Joshua
>Clive, but he used Joshua's name
>Clive's son who he named Joshua
You're free to choose the option you prefer
it was written by a homosexual on crack
Nah I don't think Dion was the one who wrote it
so what happened to the Bearers?
>Fantasy in the title
>AAHHHH IT WASN'T REAL AAAHHHH
OP is autistic
yoshi piss drones must be FUMING
>why does the political bullshit disappear with the coming apocalypse
They can't imagine life without the moronic facetiousness of play acting activism
I only played 3 hours but i have a bucket list of complaints already
>Child section is much too short, should've been as long as DQV's
>the drama between the brothers is over the top
>you should have been forced to live as a slave longer, so you can actually see what it was like for Clive to live like that for thirteen frickitn years. you know, just like in DQV
>you meet Jill literally 5 seconds after the time skip, not even letting the player the joy of wondering what she ended up as or the surprise or finally discovering her, no she shows up right away
>5 seconds later the fricking dog shows up too in a huge coincidence
>third massive coincidence, you get saved out of nowhere by cid
>for whatever reason cid knows everything about you but in the thirteen years before that no one even ever said the name Clive rosfield
the amount of coincidences and rushed developments is embarrassing. the story DOES get better right? RIGHT? because the games story is already an 1/10 derivative badly made slop.
also the game is very easy.
at least it's fun to play and the music is good, but if that were to change i might sell the game lol
yeah the demo is better than the rest of the game
I think the demo was the strongest part of the game, narratively. So no, it does not get better. And then it gets even worse in the last part.
Sounds like you want to frick the pacing by slowing it down for no reasons but wanting to show how bad the bearers have it, which is what the beginning third of this game is full of.
>drama between the brothers
What drama? They have nothing between.
>for whatever reason Cid knows
Guy was Barny's lord commander, guy probably knows about the dude who will protect the dominant. Combined with whatever info Waoled got from the Empire from spies.
The only big coincidence was Jill being a dominant, but we already know she was a ward from some place. Cid was there because everyone heard the Iron Kingdom got a dominant and decided it was high time to start a war.
I disagree but to each their own. As contrived as a super secret protect Joshua squad is, the way the empire got into phoenix gate in the first place was a massive force by the writers. Like no one was on top of the wall looking around, how about the guy inside actually opening the gate?
>Sounds like you want to frick the pacing by slowing it down for no reasons
The bare minimum for a story should be to show what happens from A to B convincingly. You don't even need to slow it down to do that properly.
>Guy was Barny's lord commander, guy probably knows about the dude who will protect the dominant. Combined with whatever info Waoled got from the Empire from spies.
Now you're just making up excuses for careless writing. That should be finessed into the story and not a cope for the reader to think up.
You are saying show him be a slave for some period of time, you are going to frick the pacing. Its pretty easy to see how his experience was without actually needing to see it. Between his personal trauma, how bearers are treated, squadmates eager to kill deserters etc
>Now you're just making up excuses for careless writing. That should be finessed into the story and not a cope for the reader to think up.
Its basic shit. Japanese RPGs already beat people over the head with useless dialog, like in Persona 5 how everyone needs to react and chime in on something that just happened and maybe even talk about it a second time when they leave the dungeon
>As contrived as a super secret protect Joshua squad is, the way the empire got into phoenix gate in the first place was a massive force by the writers.
Not that anon but that was well written. The guys at the top saw anything for shit. The opening signal was a fire signal for a reason. When they started opening the gate it was already too late.
And it wasn't the "Empire" who attacked the guards, it was the Rosaria traitors.
>saw anything for shit
With 4 torches right next to all of the involved? They could also have sounded the alarm earlier as a result. For a dispatch that consisted of two princes, Lord Commander and the Duke, it was pretty fricking easy to infiltrate.
154 IPs, so not that many is just one dude
>4 torches
Even as a player you can't see shit in that scene, so go figure. Torches are 2000 Watt led lamps, anon.
The fricking signal to open the gate was a torch sign for a reason, because they barely see anything else.
>Sounded the alarm earlier
What alarm? It's all light signals down there and the carriage was already going in while the guys below got butchered, it was already too late.
First of all that guy in the screenshot is a moron because Ultima was part of climate change bullshit from the start. I fail to understand the part where it was all "abandonned".
>Too much coincidence
It's not so much of a coincidence, but rather than a logical conclusion to things. Yes, it's jarring as frick in you want everything to make sense the very moment you see any event unfolding, but in retrospective, it's believable.
Ultima was monitoring Clive since the Phoenix Gate incident in the prologue and wanted to kill all dominants except him.
Cid is running a race against the Empire to save the dominants. So it goes without saying that Cid was bound to meet people from the Empire (Clive and Benedikta) in the race to save or kill the dominant of Shiva (who was in fact Jill, a princess from the northern empire).
Torgall was found by Cid while he was investigating the dominant of Phoenix, but he was too late.
The "issue" at hand is that the narrative takes its time to set things up for a big pay off much later into the story. Moreover, some new contexts are built up in the side quests rather than the main quests, so people who won't play them might think the writers are lazy b***hes.
The result is that some people fail to see the clue or fail to remember them or make the connection, and it feels like an asspull to them If I told you the final antagonist was introduced before you met Cid, you wouldn't believe me. But that's a fact.
>Also the game is very easy.
Of course it is, or feels like it is. It never tries to kill you for being bad. But if you feel like the enemies are too tanky, you actually are bad at it.
it isnt believable
its all too coincidental
OK Barry.
>defending bad writing
even worse is the dion vs barbabas scene
they're fighting then mid fight dion just leaves and barbabas lets him, what was the point
>They both fight to the fullest
>Both armies wiped out entirely
Nice going genius. Dion fended off Barny to let him know dont try any primal shit or he will repel him.
>fullest
nope dion just dips after like 20 seconds and and there's no indication barn is even tired since all he did was swing his sword like 3 times
>Counter argument
>None
Ok.
yeah ff16 has a bad ending
it's gonna be funny seeing all the streamers see the book and their chat gonna go "it was all a dream"
>expected schrier to bring up 'muh diversity'
>made actual valid criticisms instead
damn this is a first
>It was just a dream
The ending?
what an abomination
>also ultima as villain just kind of pops out of fricking nowhere
It doesn't pop up out of nowhere, they mention ultima pretty early in the game. However that doesn't change the fact that it's a shit villain
so what's with Barnabas' mom. Why is he so obsessed with her?
never explained please wait for episode barbabas
She's hot? I was so disappointed with Barnabas and in extension, Ultima.
>so what's with Barnabas' mom. Why is he so obsessed with her?
Because he's a man
You can't possibly be serious. SE pulled a "it was all just a dream" in an actual mainline FF game?
Why would they think this is okay?
They didn't
They didn't, jesus christ.
1. Joshua dies
2. Clive takes on his name and writes the book to immortalize the little brother he loved
3. thousands of years pass, people now think it's a myth
It's just like the real world. Take Heracles for example, a guy that was a physical anomaly like Wilt just pops up and people think he's a demigod. Thousands of years later there's still myths about him.
>takes on his
clive died
>no he's ali
how? metia? so deus ex machina?
>Clive died
Literally the last we see of him is passing out on the beach. You're moronic if you think he died, especially with the flower field scene and the Metia lore, Clive's VA saying to pay attention to the Moon for the ending, etc.
How do we know he didnt die?
>final shot is Jill smiling into the sudden sunrise
>before that there's an optional mission, Clive and Jill talk, Jill says ''sure as the sunrise, I know that you would always come for me''
The game beats you over the head with hints that he lives. I fricking hate Japs and their ambiguous shit
>final shot is Jill smiling into the sudden sunrise
She doesn't look that happy though
that's a bittersweet smile, not a "holy frick my husband came back to me I need to jump him right now" smile
>Jill smiling into the sudden sunrise
Doesn't look like a happy smile. It was more like bitter-ish smile because she saw the sunrise and remembered that promise to come back sure as sunrise. Not a smile a relief and happiness because Clive actually came back.
wtf this is the face my gf makes everytime i come back home, you're telling me she's not actually happy to see me?
FF16 gays also probably think "Spike actually lived in Cowboy Bebop because we never got a confirmation that he died within the story".
Sick strawman, cant wait to see it a million more times
did she draw on those eyebrows
By that point she was sobbing hysterically and all of a sudden she stops, she knows he's alive
She had to stop crying at some point. What else was she supposed to do? Continue to cry until she dies of dehydration?
I would if I lost an 11/10 smokeshow like Clive
Oh so noctis didn't die in xv because cor says he'll await to see him at sunrise?
he has space aids
he died
Clive is a kill. We see how Jill mourns him later. There is nothing that would assume he's survived.
>Thousands of years pass
>But society still looks like it lives in the fricking 6th century, just like it did in the base game.
Think more.
It's all fictional, Joshua Rosfield is a person that wrote the story "Final Fantasy" that happens to contain a self-insert character named after the author. Like how the Divine Comedy has Dante, and Dante is also the author.
Besides why would Clive change his fricking name the "2nd" time his brother died and NOT the first time lol.
Why would they bother at all to show a society without magic if not to confirm that Clive succeeded in his mission
Because its a fictional tale meant to teach a lesson to kids???
You know there's plenty of stories irl that are meant to teach some morals. Lord of the Rings is a fricking WW2 allegory and kids love that shit.
Now THAT's reaching
Don't reply to moronic bait
Ahhh damn and I was the one who was actually gonna tell this to the other Anon, I fell for it
>Children's think the book is a fairy tale
>Mother thinks the book is a fairy tale.
>BUT NOOO, ACTUALLY CLIVE SURVIVED AND CHANGED HIS NAME TO JOSHUA AND HE WROTE A BOOK AND 1000 YEARS PASSED BUT SOCIETY DIDN'T EVOLVE AND WAS ENTIRELY FORGOTTEN ABOUT SAME WITH EIKONS DESPITE THEM LITERALLY BEING WORLD-ENDING CALAMITIES THAT WERE RECORDING IN MULTIPLE HIGHLY ADVANCED SOCIETIES AND SAME WITH THE BLIGHT AND MAGIC TOO.
And this isn't reaching?
No, I personally think that the Joshua who wrote the book is Clive and Jill's son who she probably named Joshua because she knew that his father would've called him that, I think this would be pretty nice
See this is fine because you admit it's your headcanon.
I have no counterarguments against this. Again, there is no true interpretation of the ending. It was just fantasy is just as valid as it was forgotten.
Yeah the ending does leave a lot of free space for headcanons so I'd like to believe the Clive's son thing, it's bittersweet but also quite nice, everyone else is free to believe what they want without going against what actually happens in the story
Yeah I also think that's what happened.
Book is named "Final Fantasy" not "Record of the Eikons." It's made up.
What?
It's a fantasy book, not a historical record. It's made up.
Yeah, just like Romance of the 3 Kingdoms, right?
Yes. Romance is fictional but it used actual records, literally called Records of the Three Kingdoms.
Yeah, and the book itself is called Romance of the 3 Kingdoms.
And it has made-up bullshit woven inside facts.
Too bad there's no Record of the Eikons that we know of.
I don't think you're proving your point
Weak bait
Similar happens with Ivalice though. The world goes from what is in 12, to Tactics due to an apocalypse.
Yes, but that stuff is actually corroborated within the game.
At this point because the FF16 ending is an ambiguous piece of shit we're literally going my [HEADCANON] is better than your [HEADCANON].
what is wrong with "it was all just a dream"? It isn't the best but is good ending.
"The events depicted in this movie are fictitious. Any similarity to any person living or dead is merely coincidental"
FFVII Rebirth will save Square Enix.
Even if it's not supposed to be a fictional story, but retelling of events are actually happened, the ending still sucks ass, because of the "le heroic self-scrifice" bullshit. This cookie-cutter ending twist and the whole homosexual "bittersweet" shit is the second worst thing that can happen in endings (right behind "it was all a dream").
Yeah, its long since started to feel ultra cliche for any setting with magic and shit to end the story with, "and then the magic went away".
>story takes place entirely in the dream
>it was actually real life the whole time
Why did they downgrade Ifrit back to being an ugly ass furry?
The story may be a dud, but the summon designs in 16 are great, shut the frick up.
I never though sora vs Roxas in kh2 would ever be topped as the most hype shit ever at least for me but that clive vs dark clive and ifrit was peak gaming
I think trying to say there's only one definitely correct interpretation is kinda miss the point of the ending though.
>tfw you've seen a situation 10 times worse and people still can mental gymnastic their way into a happier ending
this is quite tame in comparison unless they release dlc or additional content later. but I feel like if that happens it will be more of a what if scenario. Don't think they'll recon the ending by adding dlc like you playing as Jill or whoever to find Clive-Joshua-Dion and a happily ever after.
What did Cid mean by this?
trying to convince himself he's not gay, just look at that ass
I suppose, he seems rather ambiguous. Especially in this exchange of dialogue. I wonder what he did to get Bahamut (Dion) to chase him?
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how likely is it at this point that the inevitable dlc will be just damage control for the ending?
DLC will be combat stuff, new enemies, bosses etc. KH data battles.
Considering the similarities between FF16 and Xenoblade 3 already, I'd say pretty likely.
The question is when would they set it. After the base game confirming Clive is alive?
They can't set it hundreds of years ago without gutting the combat system, since there would be no Mythos.
Maybe it'll be an alternate "what-if" timeline that sheds light into the base game.
If it's after the base game they'd need to revamp Clive's combat system, or play it from Jill's POV, because Clive's hand is fricked. If it's set during the game, then it'll probably unlock another ending that's less ambiguous
Barnabas origin story
you'll get shit like what if at best. don't think it'll be anything big but who knows.
> whole FFX-2 was a damage control for the ending
> FFXIII-2 looked like it was going to be damage control for the ending, but only made things worse
> FFXV was supposed to get ending damage control DLC, but got cancelled and stayed as novel
I'd say it's pretty likely, but whether it will actually get better — that's another story.
>FFXIII-2 looked like it was going to be damage control for the ending
??? XIII-2 retcons the original's ending by having Lightning disappear so the game can happen at all
xvs canned dlc was to be a non canon alternate timeline
any issues were already fixed in free patches
the ending is universally beloved
ff13-2 and 10-2 were canon continuations with damage control
They'll have you play Dion and Jill. Dion after his fall, then Jill after the end. Maybe Joshua if he actually does live.
100%
leviathan is dlc too
>Barry still seething
Dude, just wait for the sale threads.
So this is it?
The gay kiss failed and muh troony Ultima failed and Barry only has the book to complain about?
Are you serious, Barry?
Figures books would be his ultimate enemy
Everyone is saying ff16 has a terrible ending.
Who is everyone?
people who finished it
so literally deus ex machina?
Like who?
Jason Shrierer the israelite?
everyone hates it
Cope b***h boi.
Barry, you gone insane.
Now I just wait for the sale number for the last metric.
>Jason Shrierer the israelite?
He will most likely praise the ending. Just like all other pretentious asses who hate fun.
Nah he hates the back third of the game, he liked the "grounded" parts. Like you know, going into alien ruins and fighting a lich
has he not played a fricking Final Fantasy game before?
The last part of XVI felt like Endwalker, but worse somehow
Never played XIV so to me it just kinda felt like Asura's Wrath, big angry qte face punch and everything
>how likely will the dlc be damage control for the ending I made up in my head
The final trophy is literally called Falling Star, telling you that Jill's wish came true, come on guys
So he's alive just because she wished for it, and the star granted her wish somehow? I mean I'll accept it but it's just not very satisfying
Cope b***h boi.
FFXVI has a better ending than FFX bullshit and you are kneeling.
16 has the worst ending in the franchise
>its ok its deus ex machina
Now that's a bait
How is it bait?
its fairy tales
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SAVE ME HOLY SPIRIT! GOD STRIKE HIM DOWN! JESUS CHRIST'S LIFE WASN'T A FAIRY TAIL!
Clive confirmed to be Jesus and the Final Fantasy book is le Bible. Yoshitpiss I kneel, the symbolism is too much
Yes
Yeah, that's not X, X-2, XIII, XV.
And? Most people don't even know about the Records, only Romance.
No but our records exist unlike the Eikons. Pure fiction
How is it not satisfying? She wished on the star in one of the very first scenes in the game, and it kept getting brought back up.
I'm not a fan of deus ex machina shit
Unearned bullshit is not okay even if set up early.
It's a fantasy game, the gods rewarded them for their suffering. It's a clichee as frick trope sure, doesn't mean it didn't happen with the amount of foreshadowing the game drops on you
I'm not denying it happened because it obviously did, what I'm saying is it's not satisfying at all
>the gods rewarded them
Proofs?
>''Folklore ascribes to Metia the role of message-bearer to the moon, so it is common custom across Valisthea to wish upon the star, that one's heartfelt desires might be conveyed to the heavens and beyond''
It's all foreshadowed in the lore entries
Kino.
>the unknown god blesses the lover couple
I'm crying right now brah.
It is only foreshadowed that it might happen (and might not). Where are the proofs that it actually happened?
>Star winks out
>final trophy is literall Falling Star
Everything implies that Jill's wish came true. Ben Starr also said to pay attention to that lore because it was important for the ending.
>Everything implies that Jill's wish came true. Ben Starr also said to pay attention to that lore because it was important for the ending.
And Tidus's voice actor said in an interview after the game came out that Tidus was probably still alive because he was narrating the story (even though the game goes past the point where he's narrating). What a VA says doesn't mean shit.
That's actually what everyone thought until they pull FF X-2, and they still pull some bullshit on how Tidus is le reformed in X-2 ending.
It's bullshit to drag the obvious out.
Every thought Tidus narrating the story means he's alive even though he was only narrating it the night they reached Zanarkand? That makes no sense.
So deus ex machina
Where is it forshown that metia is granting wishes nilly willy?
Too little to work with. I mean, I don't mind the idea of leaving thing open to interpretation. For example I was always a believer in picrelated. But here there is just nearly nothing to interpret. Wish on the star might've as well been "to make a better world for the future generations". Which was shown fulfilled later.
>gods reward
so deus ex machina
Are you interpreting the words deus ex machina literally
Why would god reward them? just because? its literally deus ex machina
no its deus ex machina because its never implied metia would revive anyone from the dead or do anything
stop using literally terms incorrectly
Bro deus ex machina has nothing to do with God rewarding anything you ESL moron
Are you fricking moronic
more like chekhov's gun
>the gods rewarded them for their suffering
Joshua and probably Dion are dead though
this is why the whole wishing star shit falls apart if it only brings back Clive as if all three of them didn't just save the world and go through immense suffering to get there. But frick Jote and Terence I guess.
What's Metia lore?
Lol that's not what deus ex machina is....you guys really have to pretend to be moronic to get the ending wrong huh...
>suddenly gets to live because she prayed
gods intervention
deus ex machina
he's alive just because
So you're saying Metia was actually real and granted her wish?
The part where Clive battles his shadow self or whatever was the most generic cliche anime thing ever
Why? The same thing happens to me every time I actually have to wash the dishes
The only time where devs actually manage to do kino "fight vs yourself" was Soul Reaver Defiance.
It's back up to 88 btw
>another Ganker doesn't understand subtlety episode
Remember a few months back when you morons were trying to argue that the world doesn't merge at the end of Xenoblade 3?
This is that all over again.
I'm sorry xenobros had to deal with that. Are these homies just pretending to be moronic or what
16 has the worst writing in the franchise
ex death being a tree and hiding himself as a splinter among the party is better written
Book called "Fantasy." Basic understanding of what Fantasy is would tell you the book is made up.
you fricking moron, Clive literally name drops "Final Fantasy" in the fight with Ultima. He wrote the book using Joshua as a pen name.
In the Japanese version too? Koji Fox has been known to change dialogue to make it more poetic and referential and shit
The English version is the definite version. That's an official statement by the team.
In one of the most embarrassing moments of the game. Even if he name dropped it it doesn't mean he should throw the entire English language out of the window just for a reference.
The game itself is called Final Fantasy.
It's not real.
But it uses real language conventions
I don't even know what that even means, what?
Go suck off Noctis, Barry.
Or that homie b***h from Flopspoken.
It uses English so it has to follow the rules of English even if the writer has punch of the language to be pretentious as it is.
What rule was broken here?
Non because the Book is appropriately named Fantasy and it's all made up. Other people are implying that the book was a record despite being unashamedly named "Final Fantasy"
At least athia exists unlike valisthea
What?
Is Athia in the room about him?
He's OK I guess.
But the game's shit forced ending ruins the game.
stop coping
fricking forspoken is even on the nose about its Alice in wonderland allegory since frey owns the book yet athia actually exists
OK, this is Barry.
Is Athia in the room right now?
Show me where in the history of valisthea that metia granted anybodies prayer
Show me the full history of Valisthea.
jesus christ thats terrible
no she doesn't
its deus ex machina
So deus ex machina
Nah the character designs were trash you have shit taste
I'm so glad i don't own a ps5, this is hilarious
Ashura's Wrath has one of the best story in vidya game.
JRPG exposes brainlet like nobody else.
inb4 it's not a JRPG
Barry won. Based Christ allegory >>>>>> That hack Maehiro pulling an incoherent shlock mess nobody besides MMOcultists enjoy. It's so disappointing see CBU3 try to throw shit on the tradition of the series, which made all the classic FF games universally beloved.
Barry is now literally trying some Gnosis to disprove the divinity of our lord Clive as written in Final Fantasy XVI (tm).
Yeah OK Barry, got anymore?
So no argument?
You know how you tell a jesus story? like ffxv where cosmogony is their bible and it has falsified tales of their history to make somnus look good and ardyn who is the anti christ had all his jesus deeds erased from history
ff16 is just schlock garbage "i prayed so the gods let clive live through deus ex machina" shit
that'd be like if in xv the bros prayed to the astrals to let noct live and Bahamut revives noct
that be deus ex machina
but that doesn't happen because noct ends it all and his life and humanity can flourish since the dawn returned and they have the astral shards as an energy source
clive didn't even fix the blight either
so if he's alive its deus ex machina and failed to fix the blight, if he died he failed to fix the blight and theyre back to mudhuts
I don't need an argument, Barry.
I'm just here to laugh at your bullshit.
You're literally defending ff16 being deus ex machina
Deus Ex Machina literally means god intervenes out of nowhere to save the protagonist, where is that shit here?
It's not him that's moronic.
It's the ending and the plot structures that desperately tries to make you le sad.
I fricking hate forced sad ending.
The book is named Final Fantasy, it can mean the end of the unrealistic (magic), it doesn't mean it's all made-up.
Holy shit, I can't believe I have to explain this.
But magic was real and a part of the fabric reality. It's not unrealistic. It just stopped being used since humans loss access to it. A dodo doesn't become fantasy because it's extinct.
Magic = fantastical.
End of the fantastical = final fantasy.
We world no magic now, capiche, Barry?
Magic was not fantastical because it was part of the world.
OK, so you think it shouldn't be called magic then since it's not le fantastical?
No because we called things we believed to have existing in real life magic. Magic was more of a verbal thing as it involved verbal spells. Magic in XVI is a visible and tangible force.
So should it be called magic or not?
Did they fail the English language here?
It should be called magic. I answered "no" you were phasing the question in the negative.
Why call it magic when it's not fantastical?
Holy shit, in a world where magic and eikon exist, are we supposed to be atheist?
Because was not fantastical even in real life. The use of the word is appropriate
1
a
: the use of means (such as charms or spells) believed to have supernatural power over natural forces
b
: magic rites or incantations
2
a
: an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source
Both pitchers, although they are older, haven't lost their magic.
b
: something that seems to cast a spell : ENCHANTMENT
all the mystery, magic and romance which belong to royalty alone
—J. E. P. Grigg
3
: the art of producing illusions by sleight of hand
entertained with acts of jugglery and magic
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/magic
Is the magic in FFXVI illusion tricks?
So your argument would be that magic is not fantastical as well?
metia never granted anyone else's wish
its deus ex machina
Um, proof?
If she doesn't grant any, why is there a belief in the first place?
Checkmate atheist.
The game and everything it presents
if its not in the games story or anything presented to the audience it didnt happen
>why is there
same reason we have people wishing upon stars in real life
In the game it says there's a belief that Metia grants wishes.
And ba dum, she does grant wishes at the end of the game.
>same reason we have people wishing upon stars in real life
People actually do it IRL and sometimes actually get their wishes tho? No one knows why.
Harumph....
And nowhere does it say it ever has
the fact its only in the 11th hour is literally deus ex machina
holy frick are you moronic
>And nowhere does it say it ever has
Um, the belief existence means there are people who have done it and got their wishes, thus it becomes a belief.
Who the frick would know these specific things if it doesn't work?
Now you're coping
its bad writing and deux ex machina
OK Barry.
>Deus Ex Machina literally means god intervenes out of nowhere to save the protagonist, where is that shit here?
But that's... literally what you are saying happened here. You are saying the gods saved Clive because Jill wished for them to do so? Even though there's no precedent for gods actually being real in the game?
Except the god here is literally said to grant wishes of those wishing before a star.
It's literally on the nose.
It's not like Ex-Death jumping out of a tree or Necron in a spaceship here.
>Except the god here is literally said to grant wishes of those wishing before a star.
Do you believe in god in real life too? Do you think he's the one granting peoples wishes? Do you not know what belief is?
Google "recorded miracle".
>bro gods totally exist
what dude?
this is just terrible writing
Oh so you're a christian
Where did it grant wishes to anyone before?
The dudes who spread the belief in the first place?
also all the stuff people praise in ff16 like the level design and environments and animation was done by FFXV devs
>Clive dies
>no
>ok he lives but it's bullshit
>no
>it doesn't count
This is the amount of cope going on at Barry.
>h-hes alive because she prayed
everyone prayed to metia, why dont they get their wish?
because she deserves it more, frick the other plebs give the ice queen the fiery wiener she needs
>because she deserves it more
Why? Jill is quite possibly the most boring FF heroine ever.
>wowwww why is the story focused on the main characters
Maybe they should have tried making their main characters not boring
Jill drags Clive down. He's fun whenever he's with Joshua, Gav or Byron.
True, I think he was pretty fun together with Cid too. They game really needed a new permanent party member after Cid died
It seemed like Dion would have been suitable had he not joined the team near the endgame.
Goalpost shifted
Not everyone saved humankind though. If the Gods answered every prayer they'd just be slaves to mankind.
Jill was cuter in the prologue
True she hit the wall pretty quickly.
Shut the frick up homosexual shill. Go suck yoshitpiss wiener.
JRPG logic is that god's not real or if he is real he fricking despises you but also that children's superstitions can save lives and you'll be reunited with your loved ones in the afterlife anyways
FFXVI is the best FF to date, Barry is just mad
How many of these posts do you guys think are from the same person? And I'm talking about both sides
The one who says le ending is le dream, le deus ex machine, le unearned happy ending is 100% Barry.
It's the same b***hy ass Barry that has been plagued the board for years now.
Now we just need ACgay complaining about the 15 hours cutscenes.
About 3 50
A majority of them, I love falseflagging
Tidus and Yuna were the last good FF lovers
Tidus was a b***h with a shit forced sad ending.
Yes, I'm still mad.
No, Tidus was a good character.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No.
Great comeback. What's so bad about him?
>get dropped into Wabhabi SEABlack person land
>has to go along with their moronic death cult
>none of your so-called friends tell you that Summoners exist to die and their closest loved ones becomes Sin 2.0
yeah Tidus is the moron here and not everyone else
actually replay FFX as an adult and Tidus looks a hell of a lot more reasonable given his circumstances
It' ok when I defend my game's bad writing.
It's ok when I shit on your game's bad writing.
It's not ok when you defend your game's bad writing.
Simple as
Is FF7 rebirth gonna be the ultimate cuckhold final fantasy? I mean with Zack being alive, I just can't see how else this could end. First you have a ton of romantic scenes together, and then you send her out to another man.
How can it be cuckhold, when Cloud has only set his eyes on Tifa?
>Odin is clearly matched even with Bahamut
>Barnabas says he's never met anybody that rivals his strength before in his fight against Clive
poor dion
They were only matched in a brief skirmish to be fair. Considering Barnabas was cutting up eikons in his human form, I don't think Dion would be quite on that level in an extended fight. That being said Dion is also a good counter to him so who knows.
>be strongest eikon by a fricking mile
>mommy issues?
>just a schizo worshipper for ayy lmao
they had no idea what to do with him
He would've been great as a last boss fight-wise instead of whatever the frick Ultima was, what were they thinking
Ultima was foreshadowed and built up since the prologue, they were thinking straight.
>foreshadowed =/= good
Ultima is shit and just the typical JRPG evil good with the same motivations as FF9 Garland except not as charismatic. I'd much rather have schizo doomer Vergil
I failed to see what's bad about Ultima in the way you described him. Charisma? Barnabas barely had any more than Ultima if you actually play the game.
Kaguya was not forshadowed or built up.
Ultima appeared in the prologue and kept appearing throughout the game as much as Barnabas did, in fact. And he didn't replace Barnabas, Barnabas was never the final villain to begin with,.
>She thinks I'm talking about Barney
troony Kaguya took over once the writer wrote off Anabelle through suicide. troony Kaguya has basically the same motivations as proper Kaguya.
Nah they were copying Kaguya from Naruto. Right down to the reveal replacing a better villain.
I'm not saying Ultima is bad because he appeared out of nowhere, I'm saying Ultima is just incredibly disappointing as a boss because he's a non-character.
He's a non character. Ultima was in fact more of a character then Barnabas and anyone from his Empire. Like are you for real?
they're all non characters
Is that your final (fantasy) cope?
The character writing in this game is pretty bad, but Maehiro has gone on record before saying he's not good at character-focused writing so I wasn't really expecting better. Characters are just an afterthought for him.
And what's bad about it exactly?
all of the eikons not aligned with Clive (and some who are) are terminal jobbers that exist to have a cool boss battle then fricking die immediately
Half assed arcs, weak motivations, scenes that lead to nothing, plot points dropped, unsatisfying resolutions
They lack nuance or any really compelling inner struggles imo. Jill's arc in particular is laughable, and is resolved in a single tip to the iron kingdom where she kills a bunch of evil dudes and then is able to move on. So she can spend the rest of the game praying for her boyfies safe return.
well yeah, she tied up her loose ends?
Let's hear it, what would you change about Jill's arc to make it better. Since apparently not being able to move on without achieving closure by taking revenge on the person that tortured you for years and made you do think you don't even want to utter seems laughable to you.
probably because it felt like complete filler. The Iron Kingdom is completely irrelevant and it's bad guy is a literal who.
So are the Dhalmeks, I am not sure how bloated this game could get if both of those factions needed to be apart of the bigger story. They had their place, which is religious fanatics and the Dhalmeks were just sand people. This back and forth warring between mother crystal holders has been happening for like a thousand years in universe
nta but first of all I wouldn't have made it so she's not absent all the time because she's dying of Shiva cancer, and then I would've given her meaningful relations with characters that aren't just Clive. Also I would've added some kind of tension or conflict to her and Clive's initial relationship so it feels much more cathartic when they finally get together.
>"I wouldn't have made it so she's not absent all the time because she's dying of Shiva cancer"
So her being forced to abuse her powers for years should have no consequences according to you? Great writing man.
>"and then I would've given her meaningful relations with characters that aren't just Clive"
That would completely take away from the whole theme of their story being that they only have each other left in the world.
>"I would've added some kind of tension or conflict to her and Clive's initial relationship so it feels much more cathartic when they finally get together."
>How would you improve the relationship between two people
>I would add unnecessary drama or NTR
Every fricking time with you frauds, your idea of good writing is the cheapest trick in the book.
>get taken as a young kid, only surviving because you were a dominant to be used as a tool
>kill everyone involved
Like what else does she have, Clive literally got "over" his shit with an internal Clive vs Clive fight.
>Be strongest Eikon by a fricking mile
But enough about Dion.
>virgin Clive beat Dion
>Clive needed the "have sex" powerup to beat Barnabas
Barnabas > Dion
>Virgin Clive beat Dion
Also never happened. Not sure if we played the same game.
maybe if clive fricked his mom he'd have been as powerful as barnabas from the get go
she would've tried the second she learnt what a Mythos was
This b***h birthed a super dominant and she looked down on him because he didn't inherit the flaming chicken. Realizing Clive was actually special and she fricked up was probably a big reason why she offed herself.
>births Mythos
>births Phoenix
>births Ultima
this b***h's pussy is unreal
That quick skirmish had horsepussy too. Dion would beat Barny, but maybe not in an extended fight cause he seemed tired from that exchanged and needed to drink/sit down.
>That quick skirmish had horsepussy too
Barny's horse is a permanent part of his transformation, so I am not sure why that matters.
>Clive is resurrected by Metia
>show me proof
>it's foreshown
>it doesn't count, we need scientific proof
>here
>it's deus ex machina, doesn't count, bad writing
Barry is at his wits' end.
I am curious though, is Metia real? Do gods exist in XVI? I thought it was just Ultima
We don't know and it frankly doesn't matter. Whether the goddess literally intervened or not isn't that important, the point is that the whole point of that scene is that Jill's wish at the start of the game was granted.
And I'm saying it's unsatisfying writing
And you failed to explain why it's unsatisfying.
He explained thoroughly why its unsatisfying
>Re-read the chain of reply
No he didn't.
>She
???
>He took over once writer wrote off Anabella trough suicide
Ultima appeared as an Alien character WAYY before the Anabelle drama, anon.
Do you even know how Anabella died? Like are you for real?
The anabelle suicide happened after troony Kaguya revealed itself to have been controlling Oliver. Yeah the comparison fits
>Controlling Oliver
Lol. He wasn't controlling Oliver, he was Oliver.
>Comparison fits
Nah it doesn't. Again, Kaguya was revealed after Madara was betrayed and defeated by black Zetsu.
Ultima was fricking around all over the place since the prologue and snipets of Dion's brother or Anabelle being yet another person controlled by Ultima were thrown all over the place.
Kaguya was around since the Akatsuki reveal through Black Zetsu. Next
Nah. Black Zetsu was a separate character from Kaguya, even after the Kaguya reveal. The gay even considered her his mother not a part of himself so no, you fricked up. And didn't do shit either until the betrayal either (at least white Zetsu was an army fodder). He was an actual non character.
Ultima was Ultima, and appeared as Ultima, and did Ultima things looooong before the Dion/Anabella arc.
So, next cope?
Nah Black Zetsu is born from Kaguya's will. He's analogous to the multiple Ultima clones existing at the same time except he's better written.
A son is also born from amother's will. But I don't see anyone considering Clive and Joshua being called Anabella 2.0 and 3.0.
And since humanity and especially Cilve was born from Ultima's will that also mean Clive is part of Ultima p's character.
>Except he is better written
>Does nothing for 400+ chapter except being in awe at how amazing Itachi is. Then betrays Madara just before the latter wins. Basically a non character and super passive antagonist.
>Ultima : stalks clive and all the dominants. Make them kill themselves in order to raise clive while conserving his own energy as much as possible. Basically a very active antagonist.
You are factually wrong.
ff16 is worse written than naruto and game of thrones season 8
>No argument
You lost. Just give up.
ultima is worse written than bhunivelze in lighting returns
Time of appearance is far less important than literal impact on the story and both troony Kaguya and Proper Kaguya basically do the same thing. They even have the same goal of brainwashing all of humanity and needing a vessel.
He did
Go pray to metia
the full game is on youtube
He didn't. Quote it to me if he did.
Considering Hugo didn't immediatly, you're factually wrong.
>Half assed arcs
I see none.
>Weak motivations
I see none either. Except Barbabas', maybe. But according to Freud, his is actually the strongest, so I'll abide by Freud.
>Plot points dropped.
I see none.
>Unsatisfying resolutions.
Again, I see none.
>Lack of nuance
Define nuance and give an example on how the situation could have been more nuanced.
>Resolved in a single trip to the iron kingdom
>Kill dudes
>Is able to move on
How exatly is this bad? Nuance is about execution. You just named the facts, you didn't explain how the execution of said facts lacked nuance.
>Considering Hugo didn't immediatly
still a terminal jobber
>Btfo
>Moves the goal post
So you're just lying through your teeth then. Good to know.
stop coping xvi-kun
xvi is worse than xv in story and writing and way more shit in xvi happened offscreen
>the point is that the whole point of that scene is that Jill's wish at the start of the game was granted
Or not. It's not like there is anything that supports this theory.
That star has only mattered once in the whole story, and it was in context with Jill's wish. You are hard in denial right now.
And? But why do you assume that her wish actually got fulfilled? Just because you want it to be fulfilled?
>Clive survived the huge explosion thing only to die a second later on the beach
Setting aside how little sense that would make, Clive was last seen alive and that's a fact, so there isn't really much need for me to defend anything. Beyond that though, why else would you think the star would flicker if not to symbolize responding to Jill's wish (and as we know the only significance of the star is in context with Jill's wish). And how else would you have a star signify responding to Jill's if not by going out? If her wish wasn't granted, the star would simply not have shown any change. Honestly what I am really wondering is why you are so sure Clive is dead when last he was seen pretty alive, with only the hand he used to cast the spell at the end having suffered any side effects. It's a huge assumption on your part, not mine.
>why else would you think the star would flicker
Just some unrelated atmospheric phenomenon.
>Clive was last seen alive
Why is Jill crying then? Because Clive broke her favorite coffee mug?
>Just some unrelated atmospheric phenomenon
Okay bro, I guess it was all a coincidence, makes sense. Concession accepted
>Why is Jill crying then? Because Clive broke her favorite coffee mug?
Obviously some dust got in her eye from an unrelatable windy phenomenon.
>Beyond that though, why else would you think the star would flicker if not to symbolize responding to Jill's wish
Naturally Metia made the star flicker to mock Jill's naivety.
I love stories where gods toy with the fates of men
Not really, he has no position to lose he just denies and argues in circles
Man you're coping instead of playing ff16
Literally for clive to suddenly be alive is textbook deus ex machina
metia has done literally nothing at any point in 16 and suddenly just because jill prayed clive gets to live? literally deus ex machina because god intervenes and lets him live
OK Barry.
Cope
ask harpocretes
even in all his shit nothing has ever indicated metia granted anybody's wish
Show me the history of Valisthea, hell show me the complete recording of Valisthea since its existence and I will show you where Metia miracles happen.
>show me made up shit
I'm not the hack maehiro
The fact that not even the fricking lore master in ff16 has any reforded incident of metia granting any wish is because it never has
stop fricking coping you fricking shill
trying to go "durr it totally did they just didn't write it or include it" is bad writing even on itself
but the fact of the matter is metia granting jills prayer is deus ex machina
Again, show me the history then I will point to you.
No history? Keep coping, Barry.
My argument is magic is fantastical.
End of magic = end of fantastical = final fantasy, the book name.
Then why would you fall back on magic being illusory not applicable to magic shown in game?
Wait, are you arguing that magic in FFXVI is illusion tricks and not a supernatural power?
No I'm arguring that magic was used for things believed to be real in real life. So it would apply to things that are real in FFXVI
....what?
Magic has multiple definitions, do you think it's a supernatural force of power or illusion tricks? Pick one.
I'm picking the magic in the general sense? What are you even on? The "supernatural" was believed to have been real back then too.
OK Barry, you run out of argument now.
You didn't have any arguments, but a misunderstanding of language though.
No, I have an argument and clearly, you just fail to argue and now come with "magic in a general sense", what?
Supernatural power, or illusion tricks?
Both because both were believed to be real just like magic in FFXVI. You were trying to fish for a gotcha because your definition of fantasy is "Fantastical" which fantasy is a root word of and not the actual definition. And you were trying to tie to the the definition of magic.
The illustion tricks are not believed to be real, hence illusion.
You are just coping now.
You finally got he semantics victory despite multiple definitions being able to exist for words. Pat yourself on the back
Thanks bro.
Always know I'm an expert debater after literally 10000 hours of Ganker.
I can probably convince someone to suicide tbh.
>it doesn't count, we need scientific proof
>here
Where?
>sniff
Aah imagine the smell. What an amazing game. The script is so INTERESTING and well directed. It takes the best of FFXII, the political intrigue, but doesn't fumble it. I am so INTRIGUED by these COMPLEX and MATURE characters. I want YoshiP to watch me intently suck Dion's shlong. Aah Bahamut and Titan. Wherefore art though Ifrit? FFXVI is the best FF ever made, after XIV of course. YoshiP saved FF once again. Nomura, Tabata and Toriyama are crying in their corners. Yoshida please let me suck your Final wienertasy. I need it. 10/10 game. Shit like XV and XIII were only mediocre 8/10s lol.
Wait wait wait, explain.
The story of the game was revealed to have been a fantasy book all along.
Bull shit
You are right, he is bullshiting you. But you shouldn't expect that homosexual to admit it.
Nope. It's revealed to have been a fantasy story named Final Fantasy and is regarded, rightfully, as a fairy tale.
The ending reveals none of it happened and it was just the events of a book.
Game needed more nigs like XV
Love how everyone slowly gets more shitpost material as they watch their favorite streamers play the game. Real organic stuff.
>when Cid and Clive are arriving back at the base after Garuda, Hugo is getting Benedikta's head delivered to him
Okay this makes sense
>Jill and Clive head NW to Rosalith, and somehow during this period the Dhalmek spy dude finds them and follows them around
This part doesn't make sense to me. Like they have no clue one of the Rosfields is there and that they might return to Rosalith.
just like 12 they knew they couldn't get everyone to play the mmo, so they added the mmo to the singleplayer game. frick me these sidetasks are so fricking boring.
>game's ultimate villain is a white woman
Holy fricking based YoshiP.
We have done it.
>arguing with people who pretended to play the game and live vicariously through leak summaries
>This thread is getting dumber and dumber
kek thanks for the laugh guys
This game seriously has the greatest story of any FF I've ever played. It hit all the right beats perfectly. It has made me feel a range of emotion and I'm loving every minute of it. Just wanted to speak my mind. The acting is phenomenal, music is phenomenal, and the gameplay is fricking amazing. What a time to be alive.
It's the worst, stop with the damage control
so its naruto ending bad and game of thrones ending bad thrown in a blender
It's game of throngs with much worse characters.
>those really fricking expensive abilities
Are they still required to be on the two slots avaliable? They seem strong but a large investment plus taking a slow seem very not worth it.
The only thing left is the sales number.
Please by god, don't flop.
I'm gonna wish on a star that it doesn't flop.
It's gonna be gimped by the fact not everyone has a ps5, and it's the only reason to even own the console so people who like FF but play elsewhere are probably not very eager to buy an FF game for $570
I've already sacrificed 100 cows to make it flop, sorry.
If you are an hindu, that is a huge sacrilege.
t. Barry
t. xvi-kun
Already the 1st day.
If it's on the 3rd day and we don't see it selling millions, it's joever for us YoshiPbros...
I can't believe I just read 600+ posts that barely touch on the essence of the story. 90% of posts are autistic circles debating the veracity of a fictional story. Maybe 10 posts actually talk about and discuss themes. What a waste of any "discussion."
There's a reason certain mythologies have stronger resonance than others. It has nothing to do with believability even in universe.
Because Barry has run out of argument and starts making it about it not real = not count in a Fantasy game.
xvi-kun why are you coping over xvi having deus ex machina?
homosexuals who cry "Barry, Barry" at every post they don't like are more obnoxious than the moron himself.
It's clear Jill needs to be raped by a pack of BVLLs for 10 years straight until she's mindbroken and hand back to Clive.
That would indeed make for superior writing
I'm late to the party. Do people unironically it's all a dream or is it just a meme?
It's Barry.
It's a meme for the ironic morons but I am sure there are some unironic ones mixed together
Its naruto ending levels of bad
Look at this cope
defending deus ex machina
We explained it's nothing like Naruto. (Although it had a better ending than FFXV)
So either way, You lost.
XV has the best ending in the franchise and its thoroughly explained why ff16 is like naruto but worse
>Got btfo.
>No argument.
>Still insists.
Dude, enough already. You lost.
>humanity shall not depend on magic ever again!
>but here you go jill, have this magical wishing star to magically bring back ur dude 😀
Removing magic solving everything is so funny
Just saying, but Barry you do know that nobody but you uses xvi-kun right? I get you are still mad about your previous nickname but you are just making your butthurt obvious this way
xvi-kun is losing it
God 16 has such trash writing
it's like even worse than lightning returns ending
>Barry you do know that nobody but you uses xvi-kun right?
I use it when I'm falseflagging hehehe
Clive's mom needs to personally rape Jill with her pack of BVLLs while Clive watches with his wiener twitching for this game to have good writing.
Base XV:
>Insomnia's fall offscreen (CGI intro movie)
>Gladio's training/scar offscreen (episode Gladio)
>Ignis going blind offscreen (episode Ignis)
>Prompto's adventures and him finding out he's a clone offscreen (Episode Prompto)
>Noctis timeskip in the crystal with bahamut offscreen, you need the Comrades DLC story for some offscreen stuff while Noctis sleeps
>Ardyn's backstory offscreen in DLC
You needed DLCs to see all these offscreen stuff, maybe XVI is going to have DLCs and have us watch offscreen stuff.
inb4 Barry or LARPer (you) me with:
>Those weren't necessary/filler content, story was complete without those, xvi-kun..
oh no I expect a wall of text for this one... yoshitpiss shill, what have you done?
Just downloaded FFXV, is this really how it starts?
This is a pretty good Barry larp. Still the posts are a bit too tidy and not quite as autistically written, but I would give it an 8/10.