I just can't play these games. I want to play them so much. I bought TO for switch and for pc already, but the games are fricking slow. I still didn't get past chapter 1 (but I did beat the necromancer).
FFT I bought for my phone and didn't get to play it yet.
It's fine, you don't have to. This kind of gameplay is hard to crack for a lot of people—Tactical turn-based in general, but especially older stuff that still hadn't ironed-out a lot of antiquated design.
Maybe wait for some good mods with Reborn on the PC? I haven't played it myself so dunno what is already extant, but worth seeing if there's some QoL speed-up shit.
As for FF Tactics: I'm hopeful the eventual remake will have larger changes like a big graphics overhaul as well as a lot of QoL changes to the combat to make it feel less clunky, so maybe just hold out for that.
inb4 (You)'s getting angry at me for implying any changes whatsoever when they have a perfectly fine game to emulate for the OG experience.
>This kind of gameplay is hard to crack for a lot of people—Tactical turn-based
the thing is anon I don't mind tactical shit. I do like e.g. playing card games having combos, I also liked e.g. bravely default having strats and shit. It's just that there needs to be a better way then >menu opens >choose action >wait animation >choose action >wait animation >walk somewhere >say you are done >wait for your opponent to do the same >same shit again.
Once I also played Fire Emblem Shadow of something on 3ds. I found that faster paced and I just stopped playing because the story didn't catch me that much and I didn't like the dungeon grinding part. (Also characters were boring cookie cutter anime chars. Le cool childhood guy who was the leader, the childhood friend who is in love and then the princess who was just there but the guy fell in love etc. etc.)
Yeah seems like it's leaning more just archaic design issues for you then. Understandable, as the pacing kind of sucks at times, both in a micro and macro sense. Hell, even for me it was 2.5 pretty deep attempts over two decades and I still only FINALLY finished the game after finding a mod that greatly decreased the grind needed and increased later-game difficulty.
There's a reason I want them to pull huge overhaul remake, as the gameplay definitely needs to be streamlined in a lot of ways. It's actually crazy, when you start to think of it, how far just an updated UX for non-combat systems alone can improve the experience by magnitudes.
*Gameplay pacing. The narrative pacing is actually really good—if you didn't have the random battles and grinding you'll have to engage with in between story stuff.
Random tangent What-I-Want time:
Again, Square, please fully remake this game. Give us cel-shaded 3D models with a hatched-shading effect using Akihiko Yoshida's art style, full voice-over like TO: Reborn, QoL overhaul of combat to streamline the experience in multiple possible ways, upgraded menuing UX because of how much time you spend customizing, and make grinding unnecessary and shunt it off to the side. Add additional side content to justify engaging with the optional grinding so that the grinding can exist for both people who're just bad and need it for the MSQ as well as those who need it to attempt challenge content. The grinding content itself can also somewhat fill this side-narrative stuff.
>As for FF Tactics: I'm hopeful the eventual remake will have larger changes like a big graphics overhaul as well as a lot of QoL changes to the combat to make it feel less clunky, so maybe just hold out for that.
The only thing clunky about fft is the inability to revert to your unit's original position after you move , and I hope you're not talking about the magic charge mechanic when referring to the combat system being clunky
I think there was an xml hack for that feature for the PSX version. Maybe the issues with Move Gain Exp and similar abilities are fixed now.
I should really stop being lazy and start modding my own QoL version of the game.
I think it's this mod and it's pretty good https://ffhacktics.com/smf/index.php?topic=13119.0 , proposition system also got overhauled to not be as clunky as it was before , though I wish these features were in the psp version instead because the ps1 loading times made trying to use the proposition area really annoying at times
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The author updated the old QoL patch that had the "cancel movement" patch included. I read he fixed the issues with movement abilities and some menu and sprite corruption. Only bug that remains is if you heal past the "Critical" crouching animation with Move Gain HP. The animation doesn't update. Anyway it's mostly bug free.
I never had much trouble with loading with the PSX version. If anything it always run smoother than the PSP one for me. The new proposition area might just be doing a bit of heavy lifting it sounds like, i haven't tried the mod myself.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's great , it's the second best improvement mod of this game i've played , the best one is fft tweaked , it's one of those mods that after playing it you could never return to the og game without feeling like it's incomplete , completely rebalances every single class in the game , has some of the best qol on the psp version and you can even get the multiplayer exclusive items in the story , it also made me and other fft fans realize how fricking superfluous and overbearing the gain extra jp support skill was for the game , having that as a passive thing for all classes is the best change anyone could make
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I always liked the solution of reducing JP costs instead of a passive Gain JP UP ability. That way the game can generate enemies with more skills to use since they can allocate their spawning JP better and there is parity with the player getting the JP advantage
Mostly referring to menuing and scenario navigation, less so any actual combat mechanics—though I wouldn't mind tuning there, either, since shit like Charge can be improved on and has been by many mods. Referring to the former, though, Game Design has changed a lot in the nearly two decades since Tactics debuted. I can think of many ways to speed-up the pace of combat and smooth-out ancillary stuff that indirectly slows it down, like finding a good view-angle of the battlefield.
That's fair , on some stages the camera only moving in fixed corners can be a major detrement , free cam movement would be a really good edition to the game
Also yeah I don't know what the hell they were thinking with all of archer's abilities being some variant of charge that can't lock on , is single target and takes an eternity because archers don't have anything that can compensate for it like mages do with short charge skill , and could miss
Awful class that completely needs a rework if we get a remaster/remake
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I meant the spell-charging mechanic, which isn't a huge problem but definitely could be upgraded, and has been changed in many mods like I said.
That said, in the context you're talking about, I legit played a mod that refreshed job design across the board, and one of the changes was swapping Mustadio's Machinist abilities with the Archer's Charge. The guy then gave the new Archer abilities some re-imagining and re-balancing as well as the job itself to make it viable for longer, but I also discovered his Machinist change worked with Ninja's dual-wield. So, Mustadio was running around dual-wielding fricking rifles that both used the Charge shot.
Further kudos to him: entirely organically just out of experimenting with stuff (as he didn't go into the nitty-gritty of all change possibilities. Trade-off is some iffy documentation, but it was fun getting that novel experience again to a degree all these years later.
I gotta jet here but if you were curious it's the Valeria mod. Later!
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh damn that sounds like one hell of a time , I'll remember to download that mod if I have the time for that , thanks for the recommendation
Seems like the thread is about to do a Tietra so im going off too
Pleasure talking to ya , peace!
I also think fft needs a teardown and rebuild mechanically
They really need a better way to do job experimentation than any kind of jp grind. I have done no grind fft with no problems but it's because I'm not like exploring the archer class for a chapter like a new player would and I just specialize in the jp cheapest good stuff
Has anyone ever made a mod or has there ever been an update that removes that fricking ugly upscaling for the sprites? It's not a dealbreaker or anything, but that smoothing looks like complete ass and I would prefer pixels over the shitty adobe photoshop upscale bilinear smoothing
>90% of jobs are pointless
It was only 'good' at the time just for the same reason mario rpg was: a novel concept but one so shit. But it was good because itwas 'different' for the franchise
>rng the game
just get LUCT with the One Vision mod
Generics are so cute. I don't know what it is about them that i love so much. Probably how you end up making up a personality for them by the end of your playthrough.
It is a masterpiece
They dropped the ball with the shitty sequels and soulless port but the original game is still fantastic
I wish they'd leave Ivalice alone, they will never do it justice
Advance games are okay on their own but horrible for the setting
Vagrant Story is fine (from memory), FFXII tries too hard to legitimize the Advance games
Getting any depth out of the Jobs system requires spending most of the game grinding away in non-story combat encounters at which point any character that's built out the way you want is so over-leveled that the actual battles are steamroll affairs that don't need any tactics at all to win.
Archer's charge while certainly uninteresting is not a bad concept. A delayed action that gets stronger the more charging you can sneak in is cool.
It's horribly balanced that's for sure. I played around with giving each charge level the corresponding clockticks till resolution number (so that charge+1 has a CRT of just 1 for example) and it felt pretty nifty. Charges more than 7 felt really useless still i'll admit.
It would be cool if the archer's next turn came faster after a charge proportionally to the charge time so you can get free damage for smart delaying without impacting overall number of actions
*Same logic would also make magic charges feel better in the late game when people get enough speed that magic charge starts wasting a large number of your actions
Your speed keeps building while charging. It's why charge +20 is so bad because your next turn comes before you get it off. I see what you're trying to say but im not sure delayed actions are bad action economy unless they reach that dumb +20 case. Them scaling bad with speed sucks i'll admit. They could just have them resolve faster depending on the units speed.
while we are here is this one as good?
Yes!
Yeah, but Reborn takes some liberties to make it more of a tactical game than an RPG compared to the other versions so your preference may vary.
Gameplay has always felt off with FFT; too easy to be overpowered if you know what you are doing or underpowered if you don't. Great story though.
Actually think it matches the writing of FFT with superior gameplay.
I just can't play these games. I want to play them so much. I bought TO for switch and for pc already, but the games are fricking slow. I still didn't get past chapter 1 (but I did beat the necromancer).
FFT I bought for my phone and didn't get to play it yet.
Emulate them and speed toggle. Sadly the music is pretty nice and you'll frick it up but what can you do.
It's fine, you don't have to. This kind of gameplay is hard to crack for a lot of people—Tactical turn-based in general, but especially older stuff that still hadn't ironed-out a lot of antiquated design.
Maybe wait for some good mods with Reborn on the PC? I haven't played it myself so dunno what is already extant, but worth seeing if there's some QoL speed-up shit.
As for FF Tactics: I'm hopeful the eventual remake will have larger changes like a big graphics overhaul as well as a lot of QoL changes to the combat to make it feel less clunky, so maybe just hold out for that.
inb4 (You)'s getting angry at me for implying any changes whatsoever when they have a perfectly fine game to emulate for the OG experience.
>This kind of gameplay is hard to crack for a lot of people—Tactical turn-based
the thing is anon I don't mind tactical shit. I do like e.g. playing card games having combos, I also liked e.g. bravely default having strats and shit. It's just that there needs to be a better way then
>menu opens
>choose action
>wait animation
>choose action
>wait animation
>walk somewhere
>say you are done
>wait for your opponent to do the same
>same shit again.
Once I also played Fire Emblem Shadow of something on 3ds. I found that faster paced and I just stopped playing because the story didn't catch me that much and I didn't like the dungeon grinding part. (Also characters were boring cookie cutter anime chars. Le cool childhood guy who was the leader, the childhood friend who is in love and then the princess who was just there but the guy fell in love etc. etc.)
Yeah seems like it's leaning more just archaic design issues for you then. Understandable, as the pacing kind of sucks at times, both in a micro and macro sense. Hell, even for me it was 2.5 pretty deep attempts over two decades and I still only FINALLY finished the game after finding a mod that greatly decreased the grind needed and increased later-game difficulty.
There's a reason I want them to pull huge overhaul remake, as the gameplay definitely needs to be streamlined in a lot of ways. It's actually crazy, when you start to think of it, how far just an updated UX for non-combat systems alone can improve the experience by magnitudes.
*Gameplay pacing. The narrative pacing is actually really good—if you didn't have the random battles and grinding you'll have to engage with in between story stuff.
Random tangent What-I-Want time:
Again, Square, please fully remake this game. Give us cel-shaded 3D models with a hatched-shading effect using Akihiko Yoshida's art style, full voice-over like TO: Reborn, QoL overhaul of combat to streamline the experience in multiple possible ways, upgraded menuing UX because of how much time you spend customizing, and make grinding unnecessary and shunt it off to the side. Add additional side content to justify engaging with the optional grinding so that the grinding can exist for both people who're just bad and need it for the MSQ as well as those who need it to attempt challenge content. The grinding content itself can also somewhat fill this side-narrative stuff.
>As for FF Tactics: I'm hopeful the eventual remake will have larger changes like a big graphics overhaul as well as a lot of QoL changes to the combat to make it feel less clunky, so maybe just hold out for that.
The only thing clunky about fft is the inability to revert to your unit's original position after you move , and I hope you're not talking about the magic charge mechanic when referring to the combat system being clunky
I think there was an xml hack for that feature for the PSX version. Maybe the issues with Move Gain Exp and similar abilities are fixed now.
I should really stop being lazy and start modding my own QoL version of the game.
I think it's this mod and it's pretty good https://ffhacktics.com/smf/index.php?topic=13119.0 , proposition system also got overhauled to not be as clunky as it was before , though I wish these features were in the psp version instead because the ps1 loading times made trying to use the proposition area really annoying at times
The author updated the old QoL patch that had the "cancel movement" patch included. I read he fixed the issues with movement abilities and some menu and sprite corruption. Only bug that remains is if you heal past the "Critical" crouching animation with Move Gain HP. The animation doesn't update. Anyway it's mostly bug free.
I never had much trouble with loading with the PSX version. If anything it always run smoother than the PSP one for me. The new proposition area might just be doing a bit of heavy lifting it sounds like, i haven't tried the mod myself.
It's great , it's the second best improvement mod of this game i've played , the best one is fft tweaked , it's one of those mods that after playing it you could never return to the og game without feeling like it's incomplete , completely rebalances every single class in the game , has some of the best qol on the psp version and you can even get the multiplayer exclusive items in the story , it also made me and other fft fans realize how fricking superfluous and overbearing the gain extra jp support skill was for the game , having that as a passive thing for all classes is the best change anyone could make
I always liked the solution of reducing JP costs instead of a passive Gain JP UP ability. That way the game can generate enemies with more skills to use since they can allocate their spawning JP better and there is parity with the player getting the JP advantage
Mostly referring to menuing and scenario navigation, less so any actual combat mechanics—though I wouldn't mind tuning there, either, since shit like Charge can be improved on and has been by many mods. Referring to the former, though, Game Design has changed a lot in the nearly two decades since Tactics debuted. I can think of many ways to speed-up the pace of combat and smooth-out ancillary stuff that indirectly slows it down, like finding a good view-angle of the battlefield.
That's fair , on some stages the camera only moving in fixed corners can be a major detrement , free cam movement would be a really good edition to the game
Also yeah I don't know what the hell they were thinking with all of archer's abilities being some variant of charge that can't lock on , is single target and takes an eternity because archers don't have anything that can compensate for it like mages do with short charge skill , and could miss
Awful class that completely needs a rework if we get a remaster/remake
I meant the spell-charging mechanic, which isn't a huge problem but definitely could be upgraded, and has been changed in many mods like I said.
That said, in the context you're talking about, I legit played a mod that refreshed job design across the board, and one of the changes was swapping Mustadio's Machinist abilities with the Archer's Charge. The guy then gave the new Archer abilities some re-imagining and re-balancing as well as the job itself to make it viable for longer, but I also discovered his Machinist change worked with Ninja's dual-wield. So, Mustadio was running around dual-wielding fricking rifles that both used the Charge shot.
Further kudos to him: entirely organically just out of experimenting with stuff (as he didn't go into the nitty-gritty of all change possibilities. Trade-off is some iffy documentation, but it was fun getting that novel experience again to a degree all these years later.
I gotta jet here but if you were curious it's the Valeria mod. Later!
Oh damn that sounds like one hell of a time , I'll remember to download that mod if I have the time for that , thanks for the recommendation
Seems like the thread is about to do a Tietra so im going off too
Pleasure talking to ya , peace!
I also think fft needs a teardown and rebuild mechanically
They really need a better way to do job experimentation than any kind of jp grind. I have done no grind fft with no problems but it's because I'm not like exploring the archer class for a chapter like a new player would and I just specialize in the jp cheapest good stuff
Has anyone ever made a mod or has there ever been an update that removes that fricking ugly upscaling for the sprites? It's not a dealbreaker or anything, but that smoothing looks like complete ass and I would prefer pixels over the shitty adobe photoshop upscale bilinear smoothing
Not aware of any mods for the Reborn version.
That too
>90% of jobs are pointless
It was only 'good' at the time just for the same reason mario rpg was: a novel concept but one so shit. But it was good because itwas 'different' for the franchise
>rng the game
just get LUCT with the One Vision mod
As long as you dont shill the garbage that is LUCT I agree
>FF16 but good
Yes.
Never thought of it this way but you're right. The writing is better too.
Depends on your definition of a masterpiece. It's a flawed game in many way but the flaws are heavily out-weighted by what it gets right.
its the best FF game
It's amazing, but I liked A2 much better. More classes, eqs and quests.
Are there any other games that gives the same vibes? I mean sound effects and visuals. I couldn't get into Tactics Ogre.
>I mean sound effects and visuals. I couldn't get into Tactics Ogre.
wat
Leakbros... FF Tactics was suppose to get a remaster like 5 years ago...
A remaster is whatever. A new tactics game would be really nice.
Generics are so cute. I don't know what it is about them that i love so much. Probably how you end up making up a personality for them by the end of your playthrough.
>I don't know what it is about them
because they get to wear the job's armor and uniques dont?
I still try and fail horribly at setting up lookalike costumes in XIV, aside from what I can scavenge from the Ivalice raids.
Mediocre game
>muh journo-slop is a masterpiece!
holy goysloppers
It's overrated.
I like the aesthetics and the story but the forced grinding ruins it and makes it a chore to play.
get patient bruh
It is a masterpiece
They dropped the ball with the shitty sequels and soulless port but the original game is still fantastic
I wish they'd leave Ivalice alone, they will never do it justice
What do u mean, Vagrant Story and FF12 are amazing games, i really loved tactics Advance games too
Advance games are okay on their own but horrible for the setting
Vagrant Story is fine (from memory), FFXII tries too hard to legitimize the Advance games
meant for
>advance games are okay on their own
I'm going to have to yellow card this comment chief.
I'm in the Jagd, sorry
Getting any depth out of the Jobs system requires spending most of the game grinding away in non-story combat encounters at which point any character that's built out the way you want is so over-leveled that the actual battles are steamroll affairs that don't need any tactics at all to win.
It's one of the worst games in its genre, but because it says Squaresoft on the box, thousands of 90 IQ autists will worship it anyway.
you had to post that bait when the thread was created if you wanted to bait more people other than me
When the frick are we getting an HD Steam version that has WotL content with native UI and controls for PC?
Tell me you think FE is good and has good map design so I can laugh.
just emulate the original bruh
But I want the extra stuff and also faster loading.
All emulated psx games have faster loading and also faster anything else you want
Not always. Sometimes speeding up the CPU or disc read speed can frick with the game.
Archer's charge while certainly uninteresting is not a bad concept. A delayed action that gets stronger the more charging you can sneak in is cool.
It's horribly balanced that's for sure. I played around with giving each charge level the corresponding clockticks till resolution number (so that charge+1 has a CRT of just 1 for example) and it felt pretty nifty. Charges more than 7 felt really useless still i'll admit.
It would be cool if the archer's next turn came faster after a charge proportionally to the charge time so you can get free damage for smart delaying without impacting overall number of actions
*Same logic would also make magic charges feel better in the late game when people get enough speed that magic charge starts wasting a large number of your actions
Your speed keeps building while charging. It's why charge +20 is so bad because your next turn comes before you get it off. I see what you're trying to say but im not sure delayed actions are bad action economy unless they reach that dumb +20 case. Them scaling bad with speed sucks i'll admit. They could just have them resolve faster depending on the units speed.
k i n o
Orlandu ruins the game
you ruin the game homosexual
just don't use him dummy
Fine
RAMZA AND ALMA HAVE SEX EVERY NIGHT
Gonna play this for the first time soon. Should I emulate the ps1 version on my 3ds or play the psp remake
Choose whichever script you like best