Good. You opened this message. This isn't actually asari military command. They're busy tending to what's left of their planet.
So you survived our fight on Thessia. You're not as weak as I thought. But never forget that your best wasn't good enough to stop me. Now an entire planet is dying because you lacked the strength to win. The legend of Shepard needs to be re-written. I hope I'm there for the last chapter. It ends with your death.
Cerberus and TIM are actually good though. Its their depiction in ME3 that's terrible.
The game was fricking bad. The writing was bad, the combat was meh, the best parts are not fully fleshed out, people die for le drama rather than for reasons coherent with the world of ME >Crew interactions blow compared to ME 1 & 2 (most of the time you get one-liners, there is seriously almost nothing of value) >random child hallucinations everywhere that lead to nothing >actual edgy space ninja antagonist out of nowhere with plot armor who sends 2012 XBox Live-grade hatemail (get this guy a fedora) >why are the Quarians fighting the Geth while the galaxy is burning? They were the only major faction that believed Shepard about the Reapers, they should have been prepared for this >Cerberus goes from being a competent and terrifying organization to a clown car full of cartoon villains >Mordin dies because you need to distribute the genophage cure via the terrarforming machine for *reasons* >the Catalyst is a literal Deus Ex Machina >Destroy and Control both have you destroy the Geth (either literally or by removing their free will) making anything you do with them and Legion entirely pointless >The "best" ending (Synthesize) is actually the worst ending: it either accelerates the dark energy problem (ME2) or ensures Shepard is indoctrinated (ME1). Of course neither of those matter because the rainbow alphabet people rewrote the story to be about ending racism rather than preventing the end of all life.
and of course the cherry on top >nothing you do in the previous games really matters
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Nobody with a brain expected Andromeda to be good, especially after some of Bioware's more outspoken employees showed their true colors. That's why no one cared to do more than point and laugh.
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Eh you didn't miss much.
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The multiplayer is boring as frick. Alien Swarm is better and that shit is free.
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People whined endlessly about the Mako. I liked it but it got a lot of hate, that's why it was dropped.
Cerberus, TIM and even Kai Leng were fine if you had it spun off as a different game where the Systems Alliance is in conflict and Shepard gets to choose whether to remain loyal to the present government or side with TIM and Cerberus in taking it over. Then depending on your choices, you get different results. Probably more military with a Cerberus-ran Alliance, but the Council being less willing to cooperate with human supremacists in charge.
From there on, you could have Kai Leng as the Cerberus version of Garrus. He's a foil and partner to a Cerberus-aligned Renegade Shepard. A Cerberus Shepard would have mostly the ME2 cast, like Jacob and Miranda. While an Alliance Shepard would have the ME1 diverse cast.
This additional game or even DLC replacing Arrival would've >helped explain where Cerberus gets its amount of manpower even if they fail to take over the Alliance if you side against them >make your choices actually matter so you would have two entirely different games for the Reaper Invasion depending on who you sided with >give more context to Kai Leng beyond just him being a Sephiroth wannabe >develop the ME2 Cerberus cast more as they were basically reduced to NPCs, not even squad mates, in ME3
Kai Leng was lame, as was the Illusive Man suddenly turning moronic. Enemy variety was lacking. I'll agree that most of the game was decent enough, but it wasn't just the ending that was bad.
I don't think the Illusive Man was suddenly moronic, I think when they retrieved whatever tech they could from the Collectors he was slowly indoctrinated.
The game was fricking bad. The writing was bad, the combat was meh, the best parts are not fully fleshed out, people die for le drama rather than for reasons coherent with the world of ME >Crew interactions blow compared to ME 1 & 2 (most of the time you get one-liners, there is seriously almost nothing of value) >random child hallucinations everywhere that lead to nothing >actual edgy space ninja antagonist out of nowhere with plot armor who sends 2012 XBox Live-grade hatemail (get this guy a fedora) >why are the Quarians fighting the Geth while the galaxy is burning? They were the only major faction that believed Shepard about the Reapers, they should have been prepared for this >Cerberus goes from being a competent and terrifying organization to a clown car full of cartoon villains >Mordin dies because you need to distribute the genophage cure via the terrarforming machine for *reasons* >the Catalyst is a literal Deus Ex Machina >Destroy and Control both have you destroy the Geth (either literally or by removing their free will) making anything you do with them and Legion entirely pointless >The "best" ending (Synthesize) is actually the worst ending: it either accelerates the dark energy problem (ME2) or ensures Shepard is indoctrinated (ME1). Of course neither of those matter because the rainbow alphabet people rewrote the story to be about ending racism rather than preventing the end of all life.
and of course the cherry on top >nothing you do in the previous games really matters
Being mad at Mass Effect 3 for sucking after Andromeda was so so much worse is like seething about attack of the clones after the rise of skywalker.
Nobody with a brain expected Andromeda to be good, especially after some of Bioware's more outspoken employees showed their true colors. That's why no one cared to do more than point and laugh.
I will never not be mad at myself for always pirating this game meaning I never got to experience the multiplayer. By the time I finally bought it it was already too late.
Eh you didn't miss much.
It’s still better than mass effect 2, even with the dogshit ending. It’s proof that stellar gameplay can surpass a decent story. And don’t try to say ME3 combat isn’t good, the multiplayer is the best shit ever
The multiplayer is boring as frick. Alien Swarm is better and that shit is free.
Ok so it has bad story. 2 also had a terrible story where they completely dropped the Mako planet exploration. They could have had you exploring more protean ruins and continuing Liara’s research, while the Geth and Reapers slowly become more ominous after the death of …whatever that first squid was called. They turned the game into a heckin Hollywood action movie and it never recovered
People whined endlessly about the Mako. I liked it but it got a lot of hate, that's why it was dropped.
>>Crew interactions blow compared to ME 1 & 2 (most of the time you get one-liners, there is seriously almost nothing of value)
As opposed to ME1 and ME2 where they just bloviate about their backstories and personal problems and offer no interesting insights into the universe?
child hallucinations everywhere that lead to nothing
I agree, this was kinda gay. Would've been more cool to see people who died throughout the three games.
edgy space ninja antagonist out of nowhere with plot armor who sends 2012 XBox Live-grade hatemail (get this guy a fedora)
Fair but the mail will forever be funny >>why are the Quarians fighting the Geth while the galaxy is burning? They were the only major faction that believed Shepard about the Reapers, they should have been prepared for this
Because they hate them and they want their homeworld back? Did you pay attention to Tali's mission? The Reaper invasion is a perfect time for it since everyone's distracted.
goes from being a competent and terrifying organization to a clown car full of cartoon villains
That happened in ME2.
dies because you need to distribute the genophage cure via the terrarforming machine for *reasons*
It's about his sacrifice and atoning for his sins. >>the Catalyst is a literal Deus Ex Machina
Fair.
and Control both have you destroy the Geth (either literally or by removing their free will) making anything you do with them and Legion entirely pointless
Control doesn't remove their free will, you just take control of the Reapers. Control is actually the best ending for the Geth since it leaves them alive but doesn't rape them with organic shit. >>The "best" ending (Synthesize) is actually the worst ending: it either accelerates the dark energy problem (ME2) or ensures Shepard is indoctrinated (ME1).
Control is the best ending >and of course the cherry on top
you do in the previous games really matters
Same was true in ME1 and 2.
goes from being a competent and terrifying organization to a clown car full of cartoon villains >That happened in ME2.
It didn't. Stop parroting random shit online and come up with your own thoughts.
>control is the best ending
Black person are you for real ?
It's only a matter of time before shepards personality gets subsumed by the "reapers"
remember both sovereign and legion say that within reaper shell there are trillions and trillions of individual programs/entities whatever what was harvested from the previous cycles organics
the illusive man wanted to control the reapers not because he wanted to control the galaxy
rather to get all the knowledge of all the previous harvested cycles
he wanted to secure human dominance using the knowledge rather than the reapers themselves physically
so it's only a matter of time shepards personality becomes corrupted or subsumed
>Cerberus, gay Leng, Thessia and everything from Horizon onward being dogshit >War Assets scanning bullshit replacing actual side quest
besides that it was alright, I think 2 had the worst overall main story and ME3 had no choice after Arrival™ DLC when dealing with Reaper fleets but the least ME3 could've done was have depending on if you destroyed or preserved the moronic Human Reaper would determine if Cerberus would be allies or not
2 killed the series badly. then all the info leading up to the release of 3 made it clear its issues.
if you were disappointed when 3 came around thats on you
Mass Effect 2 did literally nothing to progress the reaper plot line besides adding a bunch of side characters which are replaceable in 3 anyway because they can ALL die.
Honestly, this. The reaper storyline should've resolved in ME1 and any sequels should've leaned into an anthology model within the setting. That's basically what everyone liked about ME2.
It annoys me that they came back because the first game had set up the idea that there is a maximum range you can travel with mass effect technology which meant the reapers were stuck in dark space forever unless someone invites them in through the citadel. The reapers only hope at that point is to have their remaining minions use subterfuge to get access to the citadel.
>It actually did a lot to set up the dark energy heat death of the universe plot
Only the Tali recruitment mission, that's basically it.
I agree though, it would have been better than the terrible ME3 reason for the reapers.
There's more than the tali mission. Parasini on Illium mentions lots of people are worried about dark energy all of a sudden. The tali recruitment mission strongly implies that synthetics tend to accelerate the heat death of the universe. The mass effect 3 reapers just needed to be less pretentious about their explanations. It's like they just forgot how to negotiate despite each individual reaper being millions of programs debating on what actions to take next.
It annoys me that they came back because the first game had set up the idea that there is a maximum range you can travel with mass effect technology which meant the reapers were stuck in dark space forever unless someone invites them in through the citadel. The reapers only hope at that point is to have their remaining minions use subterfuge to get access to the citadel.
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There's more than the tali mission. Parasini on Illium mentions lots of people are worried about dark energy all of a sudden. The tali recruitment mission strongly implies that synthetics tend to accelerate the heat death of the universe. The mass effect 3 reapers just needed to be less pretentious about their explanations. It's like they just forgot how to negotiate despite each individual reaper being millions of programs debating on what actions to take next.
Per ME1 and ME2, I always assumed the Reapers to be a recurring threat always acting through other powers, be it Collectors or Geth. ME3 forced it to be a 90s alien invasion storyline where you gotta save Earth and forced it to be a trilogy. Blaming ME2 or even ME1 for the inherent faults of ME3, which were introduced in 3, is very stupid.
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who's blaming me1 and 2?
8 months ago
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Read up above.
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The Alien Invasion storyline you're moaning about was literally introduced in the ME2 ending. >ME1 ending: " Reapers are coming" (turn of phrase) >Me2 ending: "the Reapers are coming" (they're literally flying here lol)
>It actually did a lot to set up the dark energy heat death of the universe plot
Only the Tali recruitment mission, that's basically it.
I agree though, it would have been better than the terrible ME3 reason for the reapers.
Ok so it has bad story. 2 also had a terrible story where they completely dropped the Mako planet exploration. They could have had you exploring more protean ruins and continuing Liara’s research, while the Geth and Reapers slowly become more ominous after the death of …whatever that first squid was called. They turned the game into a heckin Hollywood action movie and it never recovered
Nonsense. the hype for 3 was insane and the demo only emphasised it. It was so cathartic. Like the feeling a star wars fan gets when they say the thing.
The one which featured the surkesh mission with lots of references to previous games. Curing the genophage was hype as frick since wrex's one liners distracted people from the fact that the krogan are the alien version of the german empires.
This. Mass Effect 2 sucked. Dragon Age was both gay and dead. EA had been churning out shit since the 90s. Only newbies were dumb enough to buy into the hype for ME3
ME2 felt like it should've had 2 routes, one where you go back to Alliance paragon or keep working with Cerebus Renegade
The main story was completly moronic but I liked the side quest and new characters except Jacob
I think priority Thessia is infinitely worse than the ending. Everything about it is complete ass from a writing perspective.
>Shepard becomes a mopey dickweed who seems more upset the planet of the blue strippers was attacked instead of Earth >"By the goddess. Literally." >Cutscene defeat by Kai Lang >Liara is heavily focused on this mission, is unironically the worst squadmate
It also doesn't really progress the plot very much outside of "We have to kill Cerberus before we kill the reapers."
Pretty much everything involving cerberus sucks in 3. Liara doesn't suck though, fully upgraded singularity is the best detonation primer in the entire game and her recharge speed is extremely fast.
This. It really was the start of everything that went wrong >increased casualization >increased embracing of globohomo >everyone is a gay romance option, and advertisement is for male and female Shepard which was never the case previously >complete removal of nuanced characters (Cerberus/TIM) by turning them into straight cartoon villains
You can see all of this repeated in a gaming franchise of your choosing.
I've being playing as femshep and the amount of plain pathetic deliveries of lines meant to sound badass is staggering. It's almost funny bad but eventually it gets annoying because so many of the lines don't match the tone of the prompt. The dialogue was obviously designed for mark first and foremost.
I will never not be mad at myself for always pirating this game meaning I never got to experience the multiplayer. By the time I finally bought it it was already too late.
Yeah yeah all the autists are mad because of the abc ending; however, objectively, ME3 is a much better than ME2. ME1 is still the best game of the trilogy with its unabashedly RPG design, but ME2 feels so clunky and outdated compared to 1 and 3. It doesn't know what it wants to be; it is not an RPG yet it is not a relatively smooth action game like ME3. So stop whining about ME3 and instead take off the nostalgia goggles and start critizing ME2 you morons
It’s still better than mass effect 2, even with the dogshit ending. It’s proof that stellar gameplay can surpass a decent story. And don’t try to say ME3 combat isn’t good, the multiplayer is the best shit ever
The ending of this game literally mindbroke me. It sent me into an autistic rage and compelled me to start a fanfiction account where I would write wish-fulfilling stories post-ending of Tali and Shepard having a happily ever after. Literal years I spent doing that, then I graduated high school and got bored of writing it.
>dig the archives for some threads from around me3's release >people freaking out about ashley being revealed to be a troony
nothing has changed after all
Engineer might as well be a medic. If support roles are your thing then have at it, but I prefer to play more active combat classes like Soldier or Vanguard. Vanguard with an assault rifle is pure KINO, throwing people around with biotics and shredding them with automatic weapons never gets old.
Shotguns are fun, but the assault rifle gives the Vanguard more versatility. Shotgun and biotics make you a close range power house, but the assault rifle gives you more reach and firepower to focus down mini bosses before charging in and mopping up the cannon fodder.
you know what
i forgive ME3s ending
it's been more than a decade and when ever I replay the game I don't play for the ending
I play because I like hanging out with the old crew
one last ride
The problem is that Mass Effect 2 did nothing to progress the plot in any way. It should've set up the solution to the Reaper problem. There's even references to a superweapon in 1 and 2 they could've used >find planet in ME1 with a massive fricking scar from some ancient, planet killing weapon >find the dead reaper in ME2 that's meant to have been killed by it
The logical path would've been to make ME2 about following the trail back to that weapon and developing a superweapon based on that. Tie it in with the dark energy subplot and you're golden. Add an extra, better ending or two for players who played the previous games and they'd have been fine even without the original writers.
>The problem is that Mass Effect 2 did nothing to progress the plot in any way.
Well, it did expanded the worldbuilding.
ME2 is the reason why we have so many flashed out races and factions than we had in ME1, where all you had to interact with the races and factions was talking with your crew or people at the Citadel.
Like the Geth. They went from a totally evil robot race to a race that is moraly grey and full of nuance.
>All 3 community patches >Saren Stages ME1 >Skip Minigames ME2 >One Probe All Resources ME2 >Sheploo Consistency Project >Miranda Butt Shot Restoration
Is what I use
Did anyone else collect shit tons of different suits of armor in ME1 with different colors/camo patterns and outfit their entire squad in different suits based on the environment they were in? Yes, I'm highly autistic.
- community patches
- anything that skips a hacking minigame/resource gathering
- anything that adjusts the game towards the original (lighting, skybox/character/butt restoration)
- codex error corrections (not sure if this exists for LE)
- Saren stages
Yeah there a lot of space sims but nothing really like the more rpg linear story/character focus of ME
It just seems like the better option for a space game rather than focusing on being able to explore every copy pasted rock that so many are focused on
>It just seems like the better option for a space game rather than focusing on being able to explore every copy pasted rock
I agree, however I have to admit I did really like driving around and exploring in the MAKO in ME1. The driving mechanics were goofy as hell, and most of the planets you could explore were just barren wastelands dotted with the occasional prothean ruin or pirate outpost, but it still made the world feel more open and alive having that level of exploration. I think ME2 did a better job by having you scan for anomalies and fly right into the action, but I really missed that exploration aspect in ME3 since all the side missions are just sent to you by email, and scanning planets is only used for collecting war assets similar to collecting minerals in ME2.
In retrospect I'm not sure why everyone got so pissed when games that people wank over way more, especially Witcher 3 and BG3, genuinely have worse endings but no one cares.
It was a different time and we still had different standards, different view of the industry, not as jaded perhaps. It's one of those "you had to be there" moments.
Because people were way more attached to ME. Most of the people who hail The Witcher 3 as the greatest game of all time haven't even played the other 2 games, especially not when TW3 came out and made the series a household name. So it was basically a one-off with a meh ending, but then Blood and Wine came out and it's still basically one of the best DLC ever and completely redeemed it.
I guess you could say the same for ME3 with Citadel, which is also great, but afterwards you have to do the actual ending all the same, so it's not really comparable.
>played through both 1 and 2 probably 40 times each if not more >played through 3 good amount as well >the games have become absolutely unenjoyable and will probably never be enjoyable ever again
I wish I could still play them but everytime I try I get bored out of my wits after a handful of hours.
>Mass Effect 3 came out 11 years ago >Sonic Adventure 2 came out 22 years ago >Metal Gear Solid 2 came out 33 years ago
I'm getting too old for this...
>superior in everything
lol
ME2 combat is piss poor
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your mom is a prostitute
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ME2's combat is fine on normal difficulties, but if you play it on Insanity the game throws endless waves of enemies at you. There were several instances I thought the game had bugged because I had exhausted all ammo for every weapon, and picked up every thermal clip I could find, but they were still coming. Insanity in ME2 really is not an enjoyable experience. It's not even that difficult, it's just mentally exhausting. You have to constantly juggle weapons to conserve ammo, micromanage squad powers, find a peice of cover enemies won't advance past to flank you, and when you come up against mini bosses you just kite them around while slowly whittling away at their HP. It overall just feels cheesy, and not very satisfying.
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>but if you play it on Insanity the game throws endless waves of enemies at you
I played them all on Insanity and this applies more to 3 than 2. 2 actually had encounters other than "big place where enemies arriving in waves consisting of X amount of these classes". It's basically multiplayer encounters but in singleplayer, it gets so boring after a while. Also the fact that enemies can get stuck out of bounds because of biotic detonations and the encounter will not end unless you force quit and do it all over again is very frustrating. Happened to me like 3-4 times in one playthrough.
Mass Effect 2 with Mass Effect 3's weapon load out system would be beautiful. Just playing as a straight up Soldier has always been my favorite way to play ME, but I always wanted to be able to use SMG's in ME2. In ME3 I ditch the heavy pistol and shotgun because even fully upgrading the best ones they kinda suck. I use the SMG as my primary weapon, switch the assault rifle for bigger groups, and use the sniper for picking off the tankier enemies or anything further away.
A lot of people criticize ME3 for It's ending which is valid, but my issue is really the pacing. The problem is the actual gameplay is so heavily spaced out because every other mission you have to go run around the Citadel/Normandy talking to people, flying around the galaxy collecting war assets, and it's just so tedious. I just want to kill kill baddies with my big space guns God damnit, not spend 80% of my time running around and around the Citadel talking to people and riding elevators.
Dildo space magic isn't even that far fetched to defeat a galactic threat like the reapers. ME 1 and 2 already did the whole blow up the bad guy/place credits roll.
Honestly the character assassination of Mordin was far more egregious. The only morally controversial character they didn't give a hecking wholesome good rewrite was Morinth lol.
They could have done something cool like have Miranda or Jacob stay loyal to Cerberus and take the role of Kai lel type character or done something actually unique.
I didn't play Mass Effect 3 or any of the games, but I remember when EA called gamers entitled for calling it out and that shit there opened the floodgates for a lot of people and publishers to follow suit with the entitlement claims. Only the video game industry can get away with insulting its consumer base, the core base, not the casuals who are passing by, and they're also to blame as well.
I'm surprised they tried to damage control at all with ME3. Even Weird Al talked about it.
Basically only two people knew about the ending, so only two people wrote the ending (Casey Hudson and another butthole I forgor).
As such, none of the other writers knew about it and didn't know how bad it was.
Therefore, the players had the right to call it off, because what they did was unprofessional and pure bullshit just out of the fear of "muh leaks".
There was no artistic integrity, just two idiots who got butthurt because we didn't buy their fanfiction.
It wasn't just on the two lead writers, the studio got bought out and ME3 was rushed out for the holiday season. It had less dev time than either 1 or 2 did.
That definitely had a large effect on how the overall story went, we would have gotten more alternatives if they'd had time to implement them.
The ironic part is that the "fix" patch for the ending just makes it worse. It takes all the mystery out of it that at least left it open for headcanon and replaces it with canon moronation, and the scene where the Normandy saves your teammates from Harbinger while Harbinger just stands there and lets you do it is so fricking moronic I have to question their IQ.
I redeemed every online pass from rented copies.
Good. You opened this message. This isn't actually asari military command. They're busy tending to what's left of their planet.
So you survived our fight on Thessia. You're not as weak as I thought. But never forget that your best wasn't good enough to stop me. Now an entire planet is dying because you lacked the strength to win. The legend of Shepard needs to be re-written. I hope I'm there for the last chapter. It ends with your death.
-KL
Why did the secondary (or tetriary villain) shitpost at you?
He was a GMPC as this dudes (RIP)'s autistic breakdown of the ME series discusses:
https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=31743
Cerberus and TIM are actually good though. Its their depiction in ME3 that's terrible.
Cerberus, TIM and even Kai Leng were fine if you had it spun off as a different game where the Systems Alliance is in conflict and Shepard gets to choose whether to remain loyal to the present government or side with TIM and Cerberus in taking it over. Then depending on your choices, you get different results. Probably more military with a Cerberus-ran Alliance, but the Council being less willing to cooperate with human supremacists in charge.
From there on, you could have Kai Leng as the Cerberus version of Garrus. He's a foil and partner to a Cerberus-aligned Renegade Shepard. A Cerberus Shepard would have mostly the ME2 cast, like Jacob and Miranda. While an Alliance Shepard would have the ME1 diverse cast.
This additional game or even DLC replacing Arrival would've
>helped explain where Cerberus gets its amount of manpower even if they fail to take over the Alliance if you side against them
>make your choices actually matter so you would have two entirely different games for the Reaper Invasion depending on who you sided with
>give more context to Kai Leng beyond just him being a Sephiroth wannabe
>develop the ME2 Cerberus cast more as they were basically reduced to NPCs, not even squad mates, in ME3
About? It was good.
Last good video game, to be precise
It was good. But the ending sucked.
The last 20 minutes of the game is fricking garbage.
Kai Leng was lame, as was the Illusive Man suddenly turning moronic. Enemy variety was lacking. I'll agree that most of the game was decent enough, but it wasn't just the ending that was bad.
I don't think the Illusive Man was suddenly moronic, I think when they retrieved whatever tech they could from the Collectors he was slowly indoctrinated.
The game was fricking bad. The writing was bad, the combat was meh, the best parts are not fully fleshed out, people die for le drama rather than for reasons coherent with the world of ME
>Crew interactions blow compared to ME 1 & 2 (most of the time you get one-liners, there is seriously almost nothing of value)
>random child hallucinations everywhere that lead to nothing
>actual edgy space ninja antagonist out of nowhere with plot armor who sends 2012 XBox Live-grade hatemail (get this guy a fedora)
>why are the Quarians fighting the Geth while the galaxy is burning? They were the only major faction that believed Shepard about the Reapers, they should have been prepared for this
>Cerberus goes from being a competent and terrifying organization to a clown car full of cartoon villains
>Mordin dies because you need to distribute the genophage cure via the terrarforming machine for *reasons*
>the Catalyst is a literal Deus Ex Machina
>Destroy and Control both have you destroy the Geth (either literally or by removing their free will) making anything you do with them and Legion entirely pointless
>The "best" ending (Synthesize) is actually the worst ending: it either accelerates the dark energy problem (ME2) or ensures Shepard is indoctrinated (ME1). Of course neither of those matter because the rainbow alphabet people rewrote the story to be about ending racism rather than preventing the end of all life.
and of course the cherry on top
>nothing you do in the previous games really matters
Nobody with a brain expected Andromeda to be good, especially after some of Bioware's more outspoken employees showed their true colors. That's why no one cared to do more than point and laugh.
Eh you didn't miss much.
The multiplayer is boring as frick. Alien Swarm is better and that shit is free.
People whined endlessly about the Mako. I liked it but it got a lot of hate, that's why it was dropped.
>crew interactions blow compared to me1 ,2
>ME 2
frick off moron
what interactions in ME 2 ?
ME 2 has like 4 lines of dialogue
>>Crew interactions blow compared to ME 1 & 2 (most of the time you get one-liners, there is seriously almost nothing of value)
As opposed to ME1 and ME2 where they just bloviate about their backstories and personal problems and offer no interesting insights into the universe?
child hallucinations everywhere that lead to nothing
I agree, this was kinda gay. Would've been more cool to see people who died throughout the three games.
edgy space ninja antagonist out of nowhere with plot armor who sends 2012 XBox Live-grade hatemail (get this guy a fedora)
Fair but the mail will forever be funny
>>why are the Quarians fighting the Geth while the galaxy is burning? They were the only major faction that believed Shepard about the Reapers, they should have been prepared for this
Because they hate them and they want their homeworld back? Did you pay attention to Tali's mission? The Reaper invasion is a perfect time for it since everyone's distracted.
goes from being a competent and terrifying organization to a clown car full of cartoon villains
That happened in ME2.
dies because you need to distribute the genophage cure via the terrarforming machine for *reasons*
It's about his sacrifice and atoning for his sins.
>>the Catalyst is a literal Deus Ex Machina
Fair.
and Control both have you destroy the Geth (either literally or by removing their free will) making anything you do with them and Legion entirely pointless
Control doesn't remove their free will, you just take control of the Reapers. Control is actually the best ending for the Geth since it leaves them alive but doesn't rape them with organic shit.
>>The "best" ending (Synthesize) is actually the worst ending: it either accelerates the dark energy problem (ME2) or ensures Shepard is indoctrinated (ME1).
Control is the best ending
>and of course the cherry on top
you do in the previous games really matters
Same was true in ME1 and 2.
Saren wanted Synthesis.
The Illusive Man wanted Control.
They were both indoctrinated. Hmm...
goes from being a competent and terrifying organization to a clown car full of cartoon villains
>That happened in ME2.
It didn't. Stop parroting random shit online and come up with your own thoughts.
>control is the best ending
Black person are you for real ?
It's only a matter of time before shepards personality gets subsumed by the "reapers"
remember both sovereign and legion say that within reaper shell there are trillions and trillions of individual programs/entities whatever what was harvested from the previous cycles organics
the illusive man wanted to control the reapers not because he wanted to control the galaxy
rather to get all the knowledge of all the previous harvested cycles
he wanted to secure human dominance using the knowledge rather than the reapers themselves physically
so it's only a matter of time shepards personality becomes corrupted or subsumed
>Cerberus, gay Leng, Thessia and everything from Horizon onward being dogshit
>War Assets scanning bullshit replacing actual side quest
besides that it was alright, I think 2 had the worst overall main story and ME3 had no choice after Arrival™ DLC when dealing with Reaper fleets but the least ME3 could've done was have depending on if you destroyed or preserved the moronic Human Reaper would determine if Cerberus would be allies or not
Losing their main writer was rough
2 killed the series badly. then all the info leading up to the release of 3 made it clear its issues.
if you were disappointed when 3 came around thats on you
>2 killed the series badly
cope
Mass Effect 2 did literally nothing to progress the reaper plot line besides adding a bunch of side characters which are replaceable in 3 anyway because they can ALL die.
That's the fault of 3, not 2.
>the reaper plot line
not even a good twist, one of the worse parts of ME1
Honestly, this. The reaper storyline should've resolved in ME1 and any sequels should've leaned into an anthology model within the setting. That's basically what everyone liked about ME2.
It annoys me that they came back because the first game had set up the idea that there is a maximum range you can travel with mass effect technology which meant the reapers were stuck in dark space forever unless someone invites them in through the citadel. The reapers only hope at that point is to have their remaining minions use subterfuge to get access to the citadel.
There's more than the tali mission. Parasini on Illium mentions lots of people are worried about dark energy all of a sudden. The tali recruitment mission strongly implies that synthetics tend to accelerate the heat death of the universe. The mass effect 3 reapers just needed to be less pretentious about their explanations. It's like they just forgot how to negotiate despite each individual reaper being millions of programs debating on what actions to take next.
Per ME1 and ME2, I always assumed the Reapers to be a recurring threat always acting through other powers, be it Collectors or Geth. ME3 forced it to be a 90s alien invasion storyline where you gotta save Earth and forced it to be a trilogy. Blaming ME2 or even ME1 for the inherent faults of ME3, which were introduced in 3, is very stupid.
who's blaming me1 and 2?
Read up above.
The Alien Invasion storyline you're moaning about was literally introduced in the ME2 ending.
>ME1 ending: " Reapers are coming" (turn of phrase)
>Me2 ending: "the Reapers are coming" (they're literally flying here lol)
It actually did a lot to set up the dark energy heat death of the universe plot. Mass effect 3 abandoning it doesn't make 2 bad, it makes 3 bad.
>It actually did a lot to set up the dark energy heat death of the universe plot
Only the Tali recruitment mission, that's basically it.
I agree though, it would have been better than the terrible ME3 reason for the reapers.
Ok so it has bad story. 2 also had a terrible story where they completely dropped the Mako planet exploration. They could have had you exploring more protean ruins and continuing Liara’s research, while the Geth and Reapers slowly become more ominous after the death of …whatever that first squid was called. They turned the game into a heckin Hollywood action movie and it never recovered
Ah yes, the "reaper plotline", the thing nobody cared about at the time. Very interesting point to make.
Nonsense. the hype for 3 was insane and the demo only emphasised it. It was so cathartic. Like the feeling a star wars fan gets when they say the thing.
>Demo
Which one?
The one which featured the surkesh mission with lots of references to previous games. Curing the genophage was hype as frick since wrex's one liners distracted people from the fact that the krogan are the alien version of the german empires.
This.
>SWTOR
>Mass Effect 3
Bioware had a killer year in 2012.
>MUH TORTANIC muh ending
Those wouldn't really set in until after both releases.
This. Mass Effect 2 sucked. Dragon Age was both gay and dead. EA had been churning out shit since the 90s. Only newbies were dumb enough to buy into the hype for ME3
ME2 felt like it should've had 2 routes, one where you go back to Alliance paragon or keep working with Cerebus Renegade
The main story was completly moronic but I liked the side quest and new characters except Jacob
I think priority Thessia is infinitely worse than the ending. Everything about it is complete ass from a writing perspective.
>Shepard becomes a mopey dickweed who seems more upset the planet of the blue strippers was attacked instead of Earth
>"By the goddess. Literally."
>Cutscene defeat by Kai Lang
>Liara is heavily focused on this mission, is unironically the worst squadmate
It also doesn't really progress the plot very much outside of "We have to kill Cerberus before we kill the reapers."
Pretty much everything involving cerberus sucks in 3. Liara doesn't suck though, fully upgraded singularity is the best detonation primer in the entire game and her recharge speed is extremely fast.
11 years, actually. This game was a harbinger for the death of the gaming industry.
This. It really was the start of everything that went wrong
>increased casualization
>increased embracing of globohomo
>everyone is a gay romance option, and advertisement is for male and female Shepard which was never the case previously
>complete removal of nuanced characters (Cerberus/TIM) by turning them into straight cartoon villains
You can see all of this repeated in a gaming franchise of your choosing.
ME3 really was a travesty, but holy shit I wish there was 1 game these days that was even THIS good.
Being mad at Mass Effect 3 for sucking after Andromeda was so so much worse is like seething about attack of the clones after the rise of skywalker.
female shep was a waste of budget
I've being playing as femshep and the amount of plain pathetic deliveries of lines meant to sound badass is staggering. It's almost funny bad but eventually it gets annoying because so many of the lines don't match the tone of the prompt. The dialogue was obviously designed for mark first and foremost.
Yep
That happens with every single fem protag
>Worse face
>Worse VA for renegade (AKA the more fun route)
I will never not be mad at myself for always pirating this game meaning I never got to experience the multiplayer. By the time I finally bought it it was already too late.
Yeah yeah all the autists are mad because of the abc ending; however, objectively, ME3 is a much better than ME2. ME1 is still the best game of the trilogy with its unabashedly RPG design, but ME2 feels so clunky and outdated compared to 1 and 3. It doesn't know what it wants to be; it is not an RPG yet it is not a relatively smooth action game like ME3. So stop whining about ME3 and instead take off the nostalgia goggles and start critizing ME2 you morons
It’s still better than mass effect 2, even with the dogshit ending. It’s proof that stellar gameplay can surpass a decent story. And don’t try to say ME3 combat isn’t good, the multiplayer is the best shit ever
10 years since the most kino game of all time and most kino MP ever
Based
The ending of this game literally mindbroke me. It sent me into an autistic rage and compelled me to start a fanfiction account where I would write wish-fulfilling stories post-ending of Tali and Shepard having a happily ever after. Literal years I spent doing that, then I graduated high school and got bored of writing it.
Post yf when you realize Baldur's Gate 3 endings are literally "control" and "destory"
You did pick the best ending, right?
Classic
wat the fug
>dig the archives for some threads from around me3's release
>people freaking out about ashley being revealed to be a troony
nothing has changed after all
Marauder Shields
>Not playing as engineer
Lmao
Engineer might as well be a medic. If support roles are your thing then have at it, but I prefer to play more active combat classes like Soldier or Vanguard. Vanguard with an assault rifle is pure KINO, throwing people around with biotics and shredding them with automatic weapons never gets old.
>using ANY guns as Vanguard
.imagine not using a shotgun and one shotting everyone in a chain
Shotguns are fun, but the assault rifle gives the Vanguard more versatility. Shotgun and biotics make you a close range power house, but the assault rifle gives you more reach and firepower to focus down mini bosses before charging in and mopping up the cannon fodder.
Engineer is literally OP in ME3
you know what
i forgive ME3s ending
it's been more than a decade and when ever I replay the game I don't play for the ending
I play because I like hanging out with the old crew
one last ride
>I like hanging out with the old crew
ME was the last Star Trek show
I just install the Better Ending Mod and I'm happy with it.
Feels very satisfying!
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Kino 10/10
I cried in real life
Every single game in the trilogy was perfect. But 1 is still my favorite.
1 is objectively the best combining companions, skill tree freedom and exploration. It feels like Star Trek kino.
1>3>2>
The only good mass effect is 1. 2 and 3 are trash gears clones that suck sweaty ballbag. 1 is a great game.
I liked the idea of Andromeda, going to another galaxy, and it's a shame how much the devs fricked it up.
If I want to play this series for the first time, is legendary edition recommended over the original?
yes
Go to >>>/vg/, moron.
still better than 2
1>3>>>>2
I still havent played 3
The problem is that Mass Effect 2 did nothing to progress the plot in any way. It should've set up the solution to the Reaper problem. There's even references to a superweapon in 1 and 2 they could've used
>find planet in ME1 with a massive fricking scar from some ancient, planet killing weapon
>find the dead reaper in ME2 that's meant to have been killed by it
The logical path would've been to make ME2 about following the trail back to that weapon and developing a superweapon based on that. Tie it in with the dark energy subplot and you're golden. Add an extra, better ending or two for players who played the previous games and they'd have been fine even without the original writers.
Reapers being the endgame in 3 is not the fault of anyone but ME3.
>The problem is that Mass Effect 2 did nothing to progress the plot in any way.
Well, it did expanded the worldbuilding.
ME2 is the reason why we have so many flashed out races and factions than we had in ME1, where all you had to interact with the races and factions was talking with your crew or people at the Citadel.
Like the Geth. They went from a totally evil robot race to a race that is moraly grey and full of nuance.
What mods would you guys recommend for a LE playthrough? It's not my first playthrough.
Naked Liara
Pregnant Tali
Naked Jack
Pregnant Miranda
Naked Ashley
Pregnant Reporter Girl
Codpiece Space Armor
>no pregnant dr chocolates
hmmmm
>All 3 community patches
>Saren Stages ME1
>Skip Minigames ME2
>One Probe All Resources ME2
>Sheploo Consistency Project
>Miranda Butt Shot Restoration
Is what I use
Did anyone else collect shit tons of different suits of armor in ME1 with different colors/camo patterns and outfit their entire squad in different suits based on the environment they were in? Yes, I'm highly autistic.
- community patches
- anything that skips a hacking minigame/resource gathering
- anything that adjusts the game towards the original (lighting, skybox/character/butt restoration)
- codex error corrections (not sure if this exists for LE)
- Saren stages
I miss ME3 MP
>23-9-17
multiplayer stil alive ?
The servers are still up, yes.
I never woulda played Warframe if it was still around and of they added more maps/gamemodes, that's for sure
It's insane to me, that literally nobody out there has tried to even just make a one-off sci-fi rpg with aliens and stuff like this at all.
I remember when I thought Starfield was gonna be this but then they announced there were no aliens, and everything went downhill from there...
People will tell you games haven't gotten worse and then it's crickets when you ask what games now are trying to do something like this from 2007.
Yeah there a lot of space sims but nothing really like the more rpg linear story/character focus of ME
It just seems like the better option for a space game rather than focusing on being able to explore every copy pasted rock that so many are focused on
>It just seems like the better option for a space game rather than focusing on being able to explore every copy pasted rock
I agree, however I have to admit I did really like driving around and exploring in the MAKO in ME1. The driving mechanics were goofy as hell, and most of the planets you could explore were just barren wastelands dotted with the occasional prothean ruin or pirate outpost, but it still made the world feel more open and alive having that level of exploration. I think ME2 did a better job by having you scan for anomalies and fly right into the action, but I really missed that exploration aspect in ME3 since all the side missions are just sent to you by email, and scanning planets is only used for collecting war assets similar to collecting minerals in ME2.
In retrospect I'm not sure why everyone got so pissed when games that people wank over way more, especially Witcher 3 and BG3, genuinely have worse endings but no one cares.
It was a different time and we still had different standards, different view of the industry, not as jaded perhaps. It's one of those "you had to be there" moments.
Personally, I just never played those.
Because people were way more attached to ME. Most of the people who hail The Witcher 3 as the greatest game of all time haven't even played the other 2 games, especially not when TW3 came out and made the series a household name. So it was basically a one-off with a meh ending, but then Blood and Wine came out and it's still basically one of the best DLC ever and completely redeemed it.
I guess you could say the same for ME3 with Citadel, which is also great, but afterwards you have to do the actual ending all the same, so it's not really comparable.
>played through both 1 and 2 probably 40 times each if not more
>played through 3 good amount as well
>the games have become absolutely unenjoyable and will probably never be enjoyable ever again
I wish I could still play them but everytime I try I get bored out of my wits after a handful of hours.
>Mass Effect 3 came out 11 years ago
>Sonic Adventure 2 came out 22 years ago
>Metal Gear Solid 2 came out 33 years ago
I'm getting too old for this...
GO GO GO
YOU MUST DIE
I WILL DESTROY YOU
ENEMIES EVERYWHERE
It's ENEMY IS EVERYWHERE
the meltdown over tali's face reveal was even funnier
I was a liaragay the whole time
Mass Effect 2 won
simple as
Shit take. That’s like saying Cisquisition is the best Dragshow Age
dao won
me2 won
simple as
your opinion is just dogshit
Seething Storytroony. ME3 will always be better than ME2. Only thing it has going for it is Martin Sheen and Miranda
ME2 is just superior in everything
me3 is just a cheap copy made for the moronic codbros
enjoy your low iq slop brainlet 😀
>superior in everything
lol
ME2 combat is piss poor
your mom is a prostitute
ME2's combat is fine on normal difficulties, but if you play it on Insanity the game throws endless waves of enemies at you. There were several instances I thought the game had bugged because I had exhausted all ammo for every weapon, and picked up every thermal clip I could find, but they were still coming. Insanity in ME2 really is not an enjoyable experience. It's not even that difficult, it's just mentally exhausting. You have to constantly juggle weapons to conserve ammo, micromanage squad powers, find a peice of cover enemies won't advance past to flank you, and when you come up against mini bosses you just kite them around while slowly whittling away at their HP. It overall just feels cheesy, and not very satisfying.
>but if you play it on Insanity the game throws endless waves of enemies at you
I played them all on Insanity and this applies more to 3 than 2. 2 actually had encounters other than "big place where enemies arriving in waves consisting of X amount of these classes". It's basically multiplayer encounters but in singleplayer, it gets so boring after a while. Also the fact that enemies can get stuck out of bounds because of biotic detonations and the encounter will not end unless you force quit and do it all over again is very frustrating. Happened to me like 3-4 times in one playthrough.
Mass Effect 2 with Mass Effect 3's weapon load out system would be beautiful. Just playing as a straight up Soldier has always been my favorite way to play ME, but I always wanted to be able to use SMG's in ME2. In ME3 I ditch the heavy pistol and shotgun because even fully upgrading the best ones they kinda suck. I use the SMG as my primary weapon, switch the assault rifle for bigger groups, and use the sniper for picking off the tankier enemies or anything further away.
Fricking this. I was so mad when they announced they were updating ME1's combat to match ME3 but not ME2's.
I just got mods to allow all classes to use all weapons
Shepard is a space james bond/rambo hybrid, he should be able to use all of them
ME2 has a different appeal from ME1, which I prefer, but I'll take both.
I think I'm finally ready to replay ME1 and 2, but there's not much reason to touch 3.
A lot of people criticize ME3 for It's ending which is valid, but my issue is really the pacing. The problem is the actual gameplay is so heavily spaced out because every other mission you have to go run around the Citadel/Normandy talking to people, flying around the galaxy collecting war assets, and it's just so tedious. I just want to kill kill baddies with my big space guns God damnit, not spend 80% of my time running around and around the Citadel talking to people and riding elevators.
Same. I will never not be mad.
Dildo space magic isn't even that far fetched to defeat a galactic threat like the reapers. ME 1 and 2 already did the whole blow up the bad guy/place credits roll.
Honestly the character assassination of Mordin was far more egregious. The only morally controversial character they didn't give a hecking wholesome good rewrite was Morinth lol.
They could have done something cool like have Miranda or Jacob stay loyal to Cerberus and take the role of Kai lel type character or done something actually unique.
Reminder:
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Remember when Tali’s face reveal was a stock image off google put into ms paint to remove two fingers?
Man that first couple weeks of ME3 release were some of the funniest this board had.
>that final chat with Garrus in London
Absolute kino here tho
Say what you will about the single player, but the multiplayer was some of the most fun I've had during this era.
>t. vorcha pyro enjoyer
I just wish there weren't so many gay aliens in Mass Effect. There's literally a race that's 100% gay and survives through genetic parasitism.
Don't you talk about my Liara that way, she's my 100 year old (teenager by Asari standards) autistic blue skin tentacle head waifu!
I didn't play Mass Effect 3 or any of the games, but I remember when EA called gamers entitled for calling it out and that shit there opened the floodgates for a lot of people and publishers to follow suit with the entitlement claims. Only the video game industry can get away with insulting its consumer base, the core base, not the casuals who are passing by, and they're also to blame as well.
I'm surprised they tried to damage control at all with ME3. Even Weird Al talked about it.
Basically only two people knew about the ending, so only two people wrote the ending (Casey Hudson and another butthole I forgor).
As such, none of the other writers knew about it and didn't know how bad it was.
Therefore, the players had the right to call it off, because what they did was unprofessional and pure bullshit just out of the fear of "muh leaks".
There was no artistic integrity, just two idiots who got butthurt because we didn't buy their fanfiction.
That other butthole you mentioned is Mac Walters
It wasn't just on the two lead writers, the studio got bought out and ME3 was rushed out for the holiday season. It had less dev time than either 1 or 2 did.
That definitely had a large effect on how the overall story went, we would have gotten more alternatives if they'd had time to implement them.
Are there any changes from the original me3 in legendary?
they improved the gunplay
I've never managed to defeat clone shepard on insanity.
But i actually like the Leviathans.
A franchise/universe killer in videogame format.
The best way to play ME is to play either 1 or 2 and treat it as a standalone game. Otherwise you'll ruin it.
My favorite series of all time. Choices actually matter, it's lore rich, and way better than Starshit.
>Choices actually matter
My favorite part is how the end of the game choice in 2 is rendered entirely irrelevant in 3
>Choose to save the Collector Base
>Cerberus steals it and you never see the fruits of your labor
>Choose to destroy the Collector Base
>Cerberus rebuilds it and you never see the fruits of your labor
>Bu-bu-but there is a difference! If you let Cerberus have the base, you get 500 more EMS at the end of the game!
The ironic part is that the "fix" patch for the ending just makes it worse. It takes all the mystery out of it that at least left it open for headcanon and replaces it with canon moronation, and the scene where the Normandy saves your teammates from Harbinger while Harbinger just stands there and lets you do it is so fricking moronic I have to question their IQ.
same