It's been 7 years since Sid Meier's Civilization VI released. It's finally time for Sid Meier's Civilization VII.
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It's been 7 years since Sid Meier's Civilization VI released.
I can't wait to pay 50 dollars for 1/3rd of a game
>50
70*
I love how it took like four expansions for Civ 5 to have all the features Civ 4 did at launch but zoomers still act like its the best in the series.
I still play civ v: vp with extra unique abilities and feel no need to get a new game
I put 2.5k hours into Civ V and switched to Civ VI when it came out. I got 6k hours in Civ VI
What does VP add that makes it so good? I've been wondering if I should give it a go but I usually hate fan made "balance changes"
You won't find a bigger Amplitude defender on this board. Do not play Humankind. Has it actually improved at all since launch? I hated it on release but I believe it had the bones to be more redeemable than something like Cyberpunk
endless legends 2 died for humankind. huge bummer.
VP is just autistic bloat, autists like that stuff even if it's objectively bad
Unless they manage to make warfare less of a fricking slog I really can't give a frick about Civ and Civ-likes anymore
good luck with that, 1uupt tards won
I hope we get actual good leader choices this time.
Cope. Doomstacks do not make warfare any better.
I didn't say they make it better, but they do make it faster, which is what I said
inb4
>nooooo they don't :~~*~~*(
that would be complicated (they won't do it) and the war would still be a slog
God forbid they make a compromise like stacking a limited number of units on a tile to give strategic options and make it less tedious to manage
I wouldn't mind if the AI were allowed to stack 2 units on higher difficulties so they can move units more competently.
You can somewhat stack 3 units on one tile by turning them into a corp then an army. Or would you rather have 3 normal powered turns instead of 1 turn at 3x power. Or could it be wanting a variety of units on the same tile. Just curious as someone who went from civ 1 to 5 and missed everything in between
>Doomstacks do not make warfare any better.
Sure, they do. The ai can actually manage that and be pretty formidable.
1UPT isn't really that big of an issue, what the game needs is some less tedious way to move your army between cities like some sort of marching formation or early troop transporters or frick if I know what, it's just never, ever fun to move 10+ units every single fricking turn
You can click and drag so the units will move autonomously until they reach their destination. Sure, they might be ambushed or take a moronic route, but it's easier than moving all of your units.
Sure, but at least in VI, they will stop if some unit ends up being in their way and instead of automatically choosing the next best route, you are left to give them a new order. Have a lot of units that you want to move and you're essentially left with moving most of them manually every turn anyway.
They will stop if an enemy unit blocks their way. I've had units do a dance with city state workers blocking a mountain pass. Moving units becomes significantly easier with roads since they can usually follow the roads to jump over units that are in their way.
>America: Eleanor Roosevelt
>England: Æthelflæd
>France: Eleanor of Aquitaine
>Rome: Livia Drusilla
>China: Empress Dowager Cixi
>Japan: Empress Suiko
>Byzantium: Theodora
>Carthage: Dido
>Spain: Isabella
>India: Indira Gandhi
>Egypt: Cleopatra VII
>Germany: Removed from the game because Angela Merkel isn't dead yet and can't be used as a leader
>Germany
Maria Theresa as the emperor of HRE
who cares if she was a consort, didn't matter with Theodora
But she was from Austria, not Germany.
: Empress Dowager Cixi
That incompetent frickup? Might as well have Nicholas II lead Russia
The point was to pick female leaders that would be spitting in the faces of people from those cultures.
Then why the frick did you pick Æthelflæd, Eleanor, Isabella or Dido?
Because those are female leaders that are insulting to their native cultures. Keep in mind it's Isabella without Ferdinand.
How? How are any of them insulting
>Keep in mind it's Isabella without Ferdinand.
Yes and? She was still Queen of Castile and León before Ferdinand
>Æthelflæd
She didn't even rule England, she ruled Mercia and was deposed by her brother. She's not an important ruler, just the daughter of Alfred who Civ fans have been wanting for a long time.
>Eleanor
Eleanor wasn't a ruler of England much less France. She was an annoying harpy who kept pestering her husbands to do things.
>Dido
Dido isn't even real, and everyone would much rather have Hannibal Barca, Hamilcar Barca, or even Bomilcar
>Yes and? She was still Queen of Castile and León before Ferdinand
But Ferdinand is still responsible for basically all of the important things the Catholic Monarchs did during their reign. It's the same as having Theodora be the solo leader of Byzantium when Justinian was the real power behind the throne. Though I guess their daughter Joanna would be even more of a slap in the face to the Spanish.
>she ruled Mercia
And how important was Mercia in the history of England? Was London not a city in Mercia?
>She's not an important ruler
By what merit
>Eleanor wasn't a ruler of England much less France
She was
>Hannibal Barca, Hamilcar Barca, or even Bomilcar
Because they are generals who never ruled their civilizations. While I do agree that putting someone who never existed (as far as we know) isn't a good move it would be even worse to put Bracas as ruler because again Hannibal had to take orders from someone else.
>And how important was Mercia in the history of England? Was London not a city in Mercia?
Not very important. And London wasn't a particularly important city to the Anglosaxons. Winchester was the capital of England during that era.
>Because they are generals who never ruled their civilizations. While I do agree that putting someone who never existed (as far as we know) isn't a good move it would be even worse to put Bracas as ruler because again Hannibal had to take orders from someone else.
The Barcas were heavily involved in Carthaginian politics. They effectively ruled Spain as their own little fiefdom.
>The Barcas were heavily involved in Carthaginian politics
So was Cato, lets have Cato lead ROme
>So was Cato, lets have Cato lead ROme
You mean like how Pericles leads Greece in Civ VI?
I always wanted Rome to have 3 leaders, one representing the Kingdom Era, one representing the Republic Era, and one representing the Empire. Numa Pompilius - Cicero - Marcus Aurelius was always my dream roster for Rome
They won’t let England have a real leader because it’s easy to put in womyn.
Æthelflæd is literally the Lady of Mercia. She was the daughter of Alfred the Great.
Also, it's hard to choose a bad female ruler for England. Vicky, Lizzy, Anne, and Mary II were all fantastic rulers, and Mary I too depending on how Catholic you are.
All just figureheads
Civ 2 already did female leaders for everyone. Japan had Amaterasu. Zulu was Shakala, which i think just means 'wife of Shaka'
The Zulu leaders were Shaka and Shaka in drag. It was fricking hilarious to me as a kid.
>Women's Suffrage was a great wonder
Civ II was woke?!
>Women's Suffrage turns your society into a police state
>You need to research Communism before you can build the United Nations
Nah, it's based.
>Æthelflæd
Man, native English names are wild. Why did we ever abandon them to use almost exclusively israeli-derived ones?
>Man, native English names are wild. Why did we ever abandon them to use almost exclusively israeli-derived ones?
Because we got conquered by French speaking Vikings that agreed to convert to Catholicism in exchange for free land in Northern France.
We still do have Anglosaxon names in modern English. Edward, Edmund, Andrea, Arlo, Avery, Baldwin, Brandon, Braxton, Bryce, Carolyn, Chad, Chelsea, Clover, Callum, Darlene, Dawn, Darwin, Godwin, Harold, Oswald, Edith, Audrey, and Alvin are all Anglo Saxon names.
Yeah but those names are all comparatively rare next to your Mark, James, David, and Josephs.
Edward/Eddie, Chelsea, Harold/Harry, and Brandon are all common names even today. Loads of those names were popular in the past 2 centuries as well.
Anglo-Saxon isn't exactly native British though.
Welsh is native British.
Because all the printing typefaces had to be imported from Germany and use German letters.
Anon, we switched to Abrahamic names long before the Printing Press was invented.
>no more Russia
>Adds Ukraine
>Russia: Elizaveta Petrovna
>Ukraine: Olga of Kyiv
>Cossacks are no longer Russia's UU
Streltsy bros, our time has come
Did anyone try the Millenia demo on steam? Does it have any chance of scratching the civ itch?
Try Humankind instead.
>Black person on the cover
No thanks
I tried it and it was the most boring historical 4X I've ever played
Humankind is shit. That's why it has such bad reviews on Steam.
Humankind is one of the worst 4X games I've ever played. It being made by the same devs as ES2 is baffling to me since ES2 is probably my single favourite 4X game.
As much as I hate Paradox, Humankind is shit and threw the major selling point of the Endless games (Vastly different civs with vastly different playstyles) in the garbage for a bunch of samey muck.
Millenia was decent but had the same issue Civ VI and Humankind have where you're racing to unlock the next age so you can grab the best Civ trait first. At least Millennia does the Smallworld thing and gives extra xp to the ones that haven't been picked yet.
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I really hope they drop that ugly ass artstyle for 7
Civ VI is the best looking civ to date
It also features the most expressive leaders
It's also the ugliest CIV with the worst UI (visually and functionally)
You're being a contrarian
Only slightly
The leaders in 6 are legitimately ugly and the UI is awful
The ingame landscapes and cities look fine but not so much better than 5 that I would drop that game in favor of 6
Nah he's right, the leaders in Civ 6 have woke faces and the map looks like a mobile game
certainly would be nice
what aesthethcs would you go for?
I think barbarians clans and corporations should be part of the vanilla experiences, they should also add an economy win condition and increase the importance of rivers
Why? Civ V was perfection. Just leave the series be. VI did enough damage.
>Civ IV was perfection
ftfy
how do I marry Victoria in civ 6 ?
What will happen when Sid Meier dies?
Same thing that happened with Tom Clancy, they will just continue to use his name
>It's been 7 years since Sid Meier's Civilization VI
And it's been 8 years since it was revealed.
FRICK
Civ V is 14 years old in September.
old enough to blank
So, you're saying if she's off the clock she's old enough for wiener?
Jadwiga is so fricking cute, why did she have to be so fricking bad?
Because she was a terrible choice for a leader. If Firaxis went with Jan III Sobieski or Casimir III (again) or Piłsudski or even Jagiełło, Poland would be much stronger. Poland was a top 5, some argue top 3, Civ in V for a reason.
They could have just kept making add-ons for Civ 5 and people would have liked it.
Loved the Hard Times Come Again No More for the American theme. Probably won't ever get another Stephan Foster song ever again in any piece of media. Bet they will put some israelite song in like Fanfare for the Common Man or something gay in the next one.
>Probably won't ever get another Stephan Foster song ever again in any piece of media
Why?
Because black face, even though Abe Lincoln and everyone in America loved love him and played Dixie Land when the union won the war because it was one of his favorite songs. They tore down his statue already years ago.
>They tore down his statue already years ago.
A statue, which had black people under his booths. He has more then one statue
Not sure which monument you're talking about, but I'm sure multiple were taken down when none of them should have.
Why not just remake the statue to have the black man stand on the same level as him?
Because the purpose is just to destroy.
Then create, make stronger.
Bluegrass music has direct lineage to his folk music so it's still being created and is stronger than ever, luckily. One of the few genres that is full of soul even at the more popular level. I love the version of Hards Times so much on Civ 6 and wish more games would use his music.
>and played Dixie Land when the union won the war
>Yay I'm going to play a song celebrating the place I just burned down and economically and demographically ruined for centuries!
Rat bastard.
I would love Battle Hymn of the Republic as a theme for America, but I agree Stephen Foster's music should be the main theme. Were I in charge, it'd go
>Ancient/Classical Era
Swanee River
>Medieval/Renaissance Era
Oh Susanna
>Industrial/Early Modern Era
Camptown Races
>Atomic/Information Era
Hard Times Come Again No More
>War declared by Enemy
Battle Hymn of the Republic
>War declared by America
Yankee Doodle Dandy
It's probably going to be 70 dollars for 1/3 of the game, I hope they go back to realistic graphics
>It's been 7 years
Are the mods for VI even as good as V yet or was the game so irredeemable that people just gave up?
Yes.
Sid Meier is going to be 70 years old this month, he better get too it.
And Araki is 63 and still drawing JJBA monthly
he made it longer than miura but im sure he will eventually croak out of the blue too.
That's because he's an immortal.
That's his stand in action. Him and Sakurai have the same stand that makes them unaging.
>It's been 7 years since Sid Meier's Civilization VI released.
I hope for more waifus in Civ 7
Put Fidel in you COWARDS
Cuba's not important enough to get a spot. Maybe if we got more Latin American civs, but I doubt Cuba would get in before the likes of Argentina, Chile, or even a proper Mexican civ.
Also, we don't want any dumb smelly commies.
>Cuba's not important enough to get a spot.
It is, it has been making america seeth for 70 years at this point
And Taiwan has been making China seethe for the past 80 years. Doesn't mean Taiwan should be in the game.
And that's the extent of its historical relevance.
This. Cuba went from being a Spanish colony to an American puppet state to a Soviet client state. It's one of the least relevant Latin American countries. I'd reckon Haiti would sooner get in.
Is there any reason to play a civ game other than V?
I finally started playing it a few weeks ago
Are there any mods that are actually worthwhile or is it all just replacing leaders with gachashit characters
There are like 10 animated leader mods that look pretty decently even if they somewhat obviously use some other leaders as a base, but it's simply nice to have more
There are several mods that are huge modpacks that change large chunks of the game. I personally have about 40 mods downloaded, but those run the gamut from mods that add new wonders to mods that improve the visuals of the game to mods that improve balance.
it's been a few years since i've loaded it up but I remember better map tacks and detailed policy cards being a must
>got my friends into civ through pic related being backwards compatible on xbox one a few years ago
>they all graduated to the main series
>civ 5 and 6 looked to complicated for me
The base games of V and VI are actually pretty easy to get into. It's only when you get into the ExPack content that it becomes complex.
only gays, idiots and homosexual idiot autistic care
I'm an autistic gay idiot so I do care.
That's good to hear.
Better thing to hear real normal human beings don't care about degenerates like yourself
I only play Civ II
You should try Civ III. It's pretty good.
Don't listen to this idiot, skip III and go to IV. III adds culture and borders which drags the whole thing down until it's balanced properly in 4. Military victories are basically impossible in III unless you game the system to get a Great General in the stone age and can start cranking out armies with the Military Academy.
Is there a grid-based 4x game where the combat isn't ass?
There's none that are better than Civ, as dire as that sounds.
Beyond earth did it best, fight me under my orbital lasers and terrain ignoring artillery
how do you improve upon whats already been made? figure that out first
Civ III still the best.
Civ VI still the best
Will core functionality like air units be completely broken from the get go this time?
Will they also end up sitting on their asses over the years and never bothering to make any interesting DLC for their flagship title?
HoMM V > HoMM III
I just want AI that is not brain dead and doesn't cheat.
I just bought Civ 6, I never thought I would like 4x. The two hours I've played I've had fun.
4X games are the comfiest games on the planet.
I initially started Stellaris, put about 60 hours in but I'm taking a break. Getting tons of pop-ups and notifications mid/late game got annoying fast.
I'll jump to another 4x then, maybe Old World or something.
>I initially started Stellaris, put about 60 hours in but I'm taking a break. Getting tons of pop-ups and notifications mid/late game got annoying fast.
Well I'll exclude real time 4x games. Turn based is where it's at. Being able to just take it at your own time without constantly changing game speeds is fun.
Getting yourself a reclining grandpa chair and a Logitech m575 to pair with them is pretty top tier for laid back games
It is only fun on a surface level. After enough hours when you realize how shit most mechanics are and how cobbled together with duct tape everything is it loses most of the magic.
No option to opt out of united nations or no buy. I'm so over that shit, I don't give a frick what other countries think it's just annoying tedium every single time
that would be a fun gameplay element. they already have Defensive Pacts it could be variation on that.
Honestly I don't even know how the system works or is supposed to work. Just ever so often I'm told to vote on some random thing. Most of the time all the options are pointless and useless to me and then the thing I picked is never what wins.
I dunno, I always thought it was pretty simple to understand.
I would unironically cum over a (un)Civilization: Warhammer.
It's called Gladius. It's so-so.
Is Age of Wonders 4 good? I was thinking about getting it on PS5.
I really focused on tactical combat, like xcom and everything else kind of feels like an after thought. It gets old quick.
A lot of anons here seemed to like it when it came out.
check out /vst/
There's hardly any threads on /vst/ you're better off with the civ/4x general on /vg/
It's the single most soulless 4x I've ever played and trying to play it on PS5 would have to be awful.
No. It’s fun for like 2 games max
Are there any post-apocalyptic civ games? basically a mass extinction event has occurred and you need to rebuild society. You could choose the event and you would have tom deal with the aftermath and everything. Goal would basically to rebuild society to where it was or further....or not, you can choose. A cyberpunk type civ game would be fun too everything is just STONE AGE TO MODERN TIMES shit.
What pozzed mechanic do you think they'll add anons?
Maybe they'll add a new victory condition "lgbt acceptance" that requires you to destroy religions/civs that take anti lgbt bonuses
It's never going to be good if they don't design it with multiplayer as the basic assumption.
You can teach an AI to play a well-balanced game, but MP will always be awful if the SP experience is the only thing ever considered. This is a large part of why 5 is better.
MP in these games is shit. You hop into MP for a relaxing game and there's always that one fricking homosexual with 18k hours who just rolls over everyone
>frie....
frick off
Yeah, because the game has shit balance. If they made the game starting from MP, both SP and MP players would enjoy themselves.
Sounds like a skill issue on your part, I bet your that one who has 18k hours and complains
about "muh AI"
I actually have no idea what I'm talking about as I only have 2 hours in the game and playing on warlord or something and have no idea what the frick I'm supposed to be doing so maybe you are right
I'll illustrate:
>SP balance
You start the game as England. You find a relic in a goodie hut that instantly gives you faith, and you chase Eurekas using the meta tech/civic order to get the golden age harbor science bonuses for the next two eras, keeping to yourself until Renaissance, at which point you've completely surpassed the AI, who has been buying from you at a hard-coded rate, and who doesn't understand any of its entanglements well enough to make a reasonable peace deal. You sit in a corner until you manage a science victory.
You can up the difficulty by letting the AI cheat, which makes it a threat until the Renaissance era, requiring you to turtle.
In MP, some bozo picks Sejong or Babylon, then drops tanks on everyone else on his continent before getting a science win against the only two guys who didn't leave by Renaissance.
Even the BBG modders can't fix it.
>MP balance
Goodie hut rewards scale with the number found, so you have to commit to scouting to get anything worthwhile. Eurekas are removed, turtling is punished, and techs are designed around powerspikes. Hiding away comes with a massive opportunity cost due to the potential benefits of peace deals, World Congress only affects City-states, and CS bonuses are homogenized to encourage regional focus.
The other players are the game, and costs for infrastructure are shifted from production towards upkeep. Amenity bonuses/maluses are strengthened, making luxuries a serious flashpoint, and civ bonuses are kept weak to keep gameplay centered on player interactions. Finally, victory conditions are all mashed together into a prestige system so every action you take contributes a weighted amount to a victory, with points to offset the lack of immediate gain from things like Liberation wars and alliances.
The England player above is now incentivized, both in SP and MP, to build up infrastructure, then use his military and player diplomacy to feed it. Turtling and ICS are both discouraged.
Civ leaders should be based on whatever best supports the civ's intended gameplay style.
I like how Civ VI, from Gathering Storm onwards, did a really good job on making the new civs stand out. Most of the civs introduced from Gathering Storm onwards have more unique playstyles more reminiscent of Endless Legends than base Civ VI, especially the likes of the Maori, Babylonians, Mali, and Mayans (as poorly designed as the Mayans are).
this kicks ass!!!!!!
lmao, this homie has to play Maori on fricking PANGAEA.
>kupe
>pangea
nevermind this doesnt kick ass actually its gay and i hate your guts
>humankind is still 50 (FIFTY) US DOLLARS
haha what the frick
Civ VII soon
Civ Valentines first
What 5 leaders do you want that are longshots? Hard mode: no Hitler
For me it's:
>Minamoto no Yoritomo - Japan
>Andrew Jackson - America
>Alfred the Great - England
>Ferdinand + Isabella - Spain Yes, at the same time
>Clovis - Franks
Hitler
Mao
Stalin
Pinochet
uhhhh
Jackie Chan?
>King Kanajeji - Hausaland (The Nigerian government actively censors anything relating to secession)
>Robert Clive - England (Glorification of colonialism)
>Nurhaci - Manchus (They're never getting in. Too close to both China and Mongolia, functionally.)
>Sundiata Keita - Mali (Will always be overshadowed by the wastrel.)
>Muhammad - Arabia (For obvious reasons.)
>Sundiata Keita
Anon?
>Sundiata Keita
He's in Civ VI in the leader's pass that wasn't very good.
I want Mao back so I can nuke the shit out him and China
I also like eliminating shitty civs that I think have no place in the game. Every time the Cree or Mapuche show up I run their asses over.
I've still barely even played 6. I put maybe 10 hours into it. I played 5 for like 700 hours.
Still playing civ 5, downloaded civ 6 when it first came out, hated the artstyle so much i stopped playing at like 6 hours, meanwhile i've got near a 1000 in civ 5
i still cant believe paradox went for the civ 6 look
I really hope that they get rid of the global warming mechanic that ruins your coastlines and anything on them. I really dont give a shit if the planet is getting hot because of our frickery, literally dont give a frick. If you think global warming is real, good for you. Just dont introduce a dumbass moronic mechanic that inevitably fricks with your game and makes maps with more water actively worse to play. How come I can reduce natural disasters to damn near zero, but I cant change this rising sea level shit?
I sure like seeing my districts and land get rekt all of a sudden and then cripple my game plan for a lot of turns just to be able to fix my shit up. Or not, my shit might not be fixable. I sure like conquering cities and having them be flooded and needing to take like 50 turns to fix them up or 25 turns with engineer spam. Thanks.