It’s been more than 20 years but after multiple mmos and shitshows like 12 13 and 15, final fantasy finally has a game to be proud of again
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Its been more than 20 years but after multiple mmos and shitshows like 12 13 and 15, final fantasy finally has a game to be proud of again
It's boring shit like XIII and XV.
Unlike those two, this one actually has good combat. It doesn’t have the slogging linearity and plodding pace that 13 did but moves quickly instead nor a worthless open world like 15
it's not that good.
>this one actually has good combat.
It's a flashy dmc-lite. The combat is boring and gay. Boss fights are a strange mix between fighting, qte and cutscenes.
Even the shitty nu-God of War had better gameplay on hard and against the Valkyries.
>It doesn’t have the slogging linearity and plodding pace that 13
it literally does lmao.
It moves far far quicker than 13 and isn’t an incomprehensible mess
>It moves far far quicker
The pacing in XVI is horrible. The cutscenes alone are too long and filled with hollow dialogues.
>It doesn’t have the slogging linearity and plodding pace that 13 did
It's literally XIII just with more cutscenes and action combat.
>this one actually has good combat
Yeah, unleash a fury combo full of particles onto one enemy until he's on the floor with just a tiny fraction of his HP but still not dead so you have to either do the finisher or do another combo.
Repeat for the other 5 enemies on the map.
>. It doesn’t have the slogging linearity and plodding pace that 13 did
While the overworld is more like FF12 zones rather than straight lines, FF16 has basically zero dungeons. The main story "dungeons" are all straight lines. The game establishes different cities but never even lets you really visit them. All you get is "towns" which are basically just set dressing because there's nothing in them and you can't even go in the houses. The pacing is also arguably even worse than 13.
You did not play XIII then, that game has the worst pacing of any mainline FF game
Not to mention a godawful story and cast of characters
until now that is. FF16 is basically
>something interesting happens
>now spend hours doing shitty menial fetch quest garbage until the next major story event happens
>"bro the game opens up after like 40 hours"
>it actually does
>90% of it is completely optional and you're back on the railroad in an hour if you don't opt to explore
What were the thinking?
It was fun
And exploring that area is worst than the worst of the fricking Monster Hunter games. It's probably worst than Dauntless.
Hell, I had more fun playing the Phantasy Star game for the DS.
>The game establishes different cities but never even lets you really visit them
XV set out to have four fleshed out cities and ended up having half of one, with Episode Ardyn flipping some leftover assets for Insomnia. XVI probably didn't want to frick itself with over-ambition and kept the scope in check. It's a shame but probably for the best.
15 is one of the best selling titles in the series and has positive user ratings across platforms. Cope and seethe.
13 is great though
lol
lmao
Explain why FF13 is bad. It still has the best combat in the series and one of the best worlds.
The fal'Cie have always been and will always continue to be stupid as they maintain almost zero consistency between the different FF13 games.
>The fal'Cie have always been and will always continue to be stupid as they maintain almost zero consistency between the different FF13 games.
Kek I almost forgot how bad this was. It's like they had a different loremasters between the games and none of them ever spoke to each other.
Yeah, or how these god machines are actual machines but some are manlike and others like the Cocoon heart crystal just vibe ambiently
>best combat in the series
that you don't get full control of until over halfway into the game. Only certain bosses needing actual strategy that isn't autobattle spam.
>Explain why FF13 is bad
Here, I'll do it in one picture.
I don't get it.
What's so bad about it?
How could you possibly think that the Shiva bike is worse than Sahz's Brunhilde fricking go-cart???
kek, salty homosexual can't afford a PS5 and assmad it's not on PC yet?
not him but why should I buy a console without many and good only titles?
Outside of some minor issues with the story, I have no idea why this game is so divisive. The moment to moment gameplay is objectively amazing.
The only thing I can think of is that a lot of this is some type of manufactured false flag operation. I can't imagine how anyone could rate this game less than a 8.5/10.
The ost is probably the best since 8 too
>The ost is probably the best since 8 too
All a matter of taste, but I can't remember shit from this OST, this is the so called "Great Soken, Nobuo's replacement" people hyped up?
This dude is shit.
Soken is mediocre. He never made a good overworld theme for XIV. All his boss themes are the same boring shit with vocals.
He has no hand for subtle music or ambience at all.
I started to play Yakuza 0 again and Kuze theme (Pledge of Demon) alone is better than every piece of Sokens creation.
>Kuze theme (Pledge of Demon)
this is a masterpiece
Dravanian Forelands is really good
no it's not. Soken can't do good overworld themes or loops. XIV was one of the few mmorpgs where I muted the music after few hours in every xpac.
post what you would consider good overworld music you gigaBlack person
Anything from Lineage 2 (!!!), FFXI, Ragnarok Online, WoW (vanilla, bc and wotlk), etc.
Using FFXI as an example is unfair because there isn't a game that exists with a better OST than that game.
Still the best raid ost:
like 90% of this is doesn't even qualify as music lmao. Frick yourself. You have bad taste.
you must be moronic.
No, I just like actual music. Your hopeless addiction to this dragontroony game has convinced you this is good when it's fricking dogshit anon. I'm sorry, you have to have a nice day for the good of the world.
not him. But the Ulduar soundtrack is one of the best things that video games have to offer. It's a masterpiece.
Modern orchestraslop is made to be ignored. This is simply too much for the fragile mind of a modern gamer.
Doesn't need to be it just always is. Notice how this actually has a melody and isn't just 90% generic moody ambient sound
Ambiet sound is the best sound for video games. Nothings is more comfy.
I don't need La-hee soken shit.
No it's not, it's boring forgettable trash, stop taking HRT sister.
Real music > Music made to be forgettable
Crazy i know
Never discuss music with jrpg gays
It's not even exclusive to JRPGs, every single game OST released after minecraft and Breath Of the Wild bears the soimark
Good music that's not made with the purpose of being background noise makes them piss and shit their pants in disgust.
No it isn't. It's forgettable and pointless.
I really wish you homosexuals had good taste in music. Video games jumpstarted my interest in it.
nope https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnJEZZ37KeQ
KYS
Stirred up a hornet's nest. but anon is right. ambience soundtrack is awesome. Especially for mmorpgs or dungeons.
Middle part reminds me of the PS1 version of Doom.
I'll agree to disagree. XII definitely has more to tinker with for sure, but I still like XVI more by quite a bit.
anons give it to me straight, i haven't played a single minute of XI and know next to nothing about it, is it worth getting into today? i know i likely missed the golden days but i wanna sink my teeth into a big MMO and XIV is boring as frick now
It's still great. And if you play retail you can play it even without grinding grps. Heck, even the cutscenes are better than from XIV.
>is it worth getting into today?
Depends what you're looking for. I would say if you want the original experience, it's not really worth it unless you're going to play on a private server, but even then...the magic is mostly gone.
If you simply want to enjoy a decent story, you can still get plenty of enjoyment out of retail as you can solo through the entirety of all story content in the game which is like 200-300 hours worth of stuff.
But what everyone looks back on fondly for why they enjoyed FFXI is dead for the most part.
>7:20 has the exact same notes as XIII-2's battle theme: https://youtu.be/zRYgA3dNwCE?t=25
not sure if intentional but that's pretty cool
Holy contrarianism. I don't suck off Soken either but some of his overworld OST is fantastic.
>but some of his overworld OST is fantastic.
No. Soken isn't good at all. Max mediocre.
I can't believe they ever replaced nobuo
Yeah. I kinda like the dominant boss themes but that's about it. Doesn't help that the orchestra is 100% VSTs for some reason. Like they could have a live orchestra soundtrack for Triangle Strategy but not FF16? The guy definitely isn't Uematsu-tier.
i'm only halfway through the game but only the Eikon battles have music worth noting. the field themes are all muffled so you can't even chill in an area listening to the music, not that many of them sound good. i think there's one area, south of Northreach, that has field music that i like but for some asinine reason the mixing for all the field music is garbage.
there's at least 2 areas, the Meadows in north Sanbreque, and the area in Rosaria leading to Port Ysolde, that have what i can only describe as a low hum as their field music. the Port Ysolde part of the story maybe makes sense to have such a dull tune to back it but it goes on for so long that it makes trodding through it even more boring. you can hear it in the beginning of these videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq6x1iZJR48 or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8zOMUhQ-yk i fricking hated those areas because of how miserable the field theme is.
i don't play XIV but all the wanking i've seen of the OST has lead me to listen to it and i can't say that i like much of Soken's work. there might be a good track here and there but most of it honestly sucks. his best seems to be trying to make "epic" music, but as soon as he needs to write a melody or some emotional tune he falls flat.
i don't think it's because he doesn't know how to write music, since there are pieces here and there that could have produced something worthwhile, it's as if he overindulges himself in having to make the music as loud as possible and add vocals all the time. there's a slow piece that plays during the Benedikta fight, which doesn't fit the battle itself, that shows he could make something melodious for a field theme or whatever other moment but chooses not to.
Soken is good, but incredibly overrated by XIV gays who all suffer from Boss Baby syndrome. There's a compilation album called Beyond Meteor that has the OST from XIV 1.0 composed by Uematsu and it BTFOs anything Soken made for that game: https://youtu.be/rThNaoLGau8
Yesssssssssssss, and my personal favorite
Soken is better than Modern Day Uetmatsu, Uematsu peaked with FFVI
Soken is a really good composer but the troony cultist are annoying
Uematsu peaked with 11. Soken is mediocre.
XI is really really good Soken is not mediocre, the fact that he can somehow make ambience and orchestraslop interesting puts him in a category of his own.
>Soken is not mediocre, the fact that he can somehow make ambience and orchestraslop interesting puts him in a category of his own.
Soken can't do anything. the whole XIV game has one good track: the desert area in ShB.
Uematsu could do ear catchy tracks and good loops. It never got boring. Soken needs to be muted after 5 minutes.
>Uematsu peaked with 11.
Bruh, I STILL remember this song.
Chains of Promathia is fricking kino.
why did they have to repeat the same track for 5 different boss fights then?
The old games did that too, what’s the big deal?
because they baited people who don't like final fantasy at all and didn't play any of that garbage
Bad take. I like 16 more than most of Ganker but one if it's biggest failings is a bland, forgettable soundtrack for 95% of the game. It'd honestly be fine if this were a literal Game of Thrones game or some shit, but considering music is FF's strong suit it actually sucked.
You obviously didn't play FFIX.
IX has it's moments but VIII is pretty undeniably Nobuo's magnus opus
7 is a better Nomura game
>VIII
Used goods gays don't get a say, sorry
It's fine you were filtered from the very beginning and couldn't help but draw 100 of every new spell you encountered, murdering your enjoyment of the best game in the series. Just don't be a smug homosexual about it
9 has a great battle theme but the boss themes are low tier in the franchise. 8 has a great battle AND the best boss theme
You have got to be joking.
The art direction and MC's design is ugly.
>MC's design is ugly
But Clive is edgekino
The tattoo alone is cringe. XVI feels like a gay version of The Bouncer
>The tattoo alone is cringe
It's not a tattoo, it's a slave brand.
And he gets it surgically removed and just has a scar for 75% of the game.
>And he gets it surgically removed and just has a scar for 75% of the game.
And there's poison in the brand so they're dying anyway when they scrape it off.
He's too muscly and hairy.
perfect for me
>and hairy.
He has not body hair at all.
>hairy.
Maybe on the top of his head. He's pretty smooth everywhere else.
>shaves every inch of his body before going to resque jill
what did he mean by this?
Putting aside the considerations about this specific FF, we need again more main characters like that
No one wants to play an old man. The game would've been better if the time skip was only a year or two
30 is like prime age for main character. Physical peaks, experienced in life. 15 year old Clive could not lead a Final Fantasy
>No one wants to play an old man. The game would've been better if the time skip was only a year or two
gameplay is shit
story is trash
thought the music was great after the demo but it was only those few tracks that get repeated in the whole game
the track from benediktas fight is used in like 5 other boss fights
Two types of people like this game, FF fangirls and people that are somehow new to action games
Kys contrarian homosexual.
>contrarian
HOW FRICKING DARE YOU HAVE AN OPINION NOT SANCTIONED BY GROUP-THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! homosexual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>I enter to a thread of thing I hate
>I offer no meaningful argument, just shit or trash or whatever
>People call me moronic
>But I am very smart, look at my infantile fit
This is how you look.
This you?
>I can't imagine how anyone could rate this game less than a 8.5/10.
you nailed it with falseflagging homosexuals. The game is definitely GOTY frontrunner at the moment, but there are a number of big titles left this year. It's not a -perfect- game, but anything below a 9/10 is probably just tendies seething or shitposting summergays.
objectively amazing:
>combat
>cut scenes
>ost
>world
could lose points for:
>narrative pacing
>a few vo bits here and there
>non-main story character model animations
>gear pacing
That's literally it. Any other complaints are just shitposts
the combat is shit you have no idea what you're talking about
>endies seething or shitposting summergays
So which one are you?
what's an endy
let me guess it's from twitter and you have the gall to call me a "summergay"
summergay for sure. enjoy your stay, and remember to study up when august rolls around.
I find all the complaints about pacing of sidequests to be so weird. These games have always been filled with slow paced exposition and random shit to do. I mean hell, you had decades of random encounters which some view as pure busy work.
Yet for FF16, some are considering it to be such a cardinal sin and I just don't get it. The sidequests are some of the best part because you get exposition on a ton of the side characters and it helps to add a lot to the world building.
Instead you have these people who think this is a DMC game and just want to button through all the dialogue and get pissed and whining about "pacing" because they're forced to help someone in the hideaway with gathering parts to build a ship or whatever. It just seems like such fake outrage to me.
I don't really think that's fair anon, because we're not really comparing this game to previous FF entries as a benchmark. The single-player mainline games have been shit for 20 years, and the ones before that are just old games.
FFXVI is an action RPG (light) released in 2023, yet somehow the sidequest and filler stuff is quite a bit worse than games like Assassin's Creed and others have been doing for the past decade. Combat's fun, and it's a big spectacle, but a lot of the rest of the game design feels like playing a mid/late 2000's game.
>FFXVI is an action RPG (light)
It's not a RPG at all. Even the MP of CoD is more RPG than XVI.
Anon, in 2023, if it has EXP and levels, it's an RPG. Gatekeeping the term is over 3 decades too late.
>filler stuff is quite a bit worse than games like Assassin's Creed
Are you referring to any of the recent AC games like Odyssey or Ragnarok? Because the meaningful filler quests in those games are few and far between compared to the massive amount of random MMO tier fetch quests you will be going on. If you're going to use that as your benchmark, I don't think the quality of FF16 sidequests is all the different.
What about something like the Witcher games then? Even excluding 3 because that was open world, 1 and 2's side content were just a lot more interesting.
Although maybe you have a point and it's just about the reward structures being better. FFXVI has absolutely dull reward structures, no visual gear upgrades etc, weapons and armor are just stat sticks.
I dunno. Even in Witcher 3 you have the majority of side quests boiling down to "run here and use witcher vision to follow tracks or kill X amount of stuff". I think in my mind, the "MMO sidequest" complaint is more a complaint with video games side quests in general.
Witcher 3 has more engaging sidequests just because the performances of those characters is really good and you get invested with them. They're also generally just more interesting with the topics they're covering and end up having storylines woven through multiple sidequests.
> FFXVI has absolutely dull reward structures, no visual gear upgrades etc, weapons and armor are just stat sticks.
Yeah this is one of the main problems. If you don't care about the characters the incentives for sidequests completely breaks down as you are just getting boring crafting mats that you already have a ton of.
I still remember the fine ass of the herb lady in the witcher 3 tutorial area.
And Witcher 3 had good quests for a modern RPG. You can really feel that Gothic 2 was a inspiration for them.
Witcher 3 side quests work because a majority of them have interesting stories and the rewards are more useful than the absolutely useless gold/crafting mats here
>majority
Let's not exaggerate just to try and make a point. It had basic b***h sidequests with some peak kino sprinkled in.
>It had basic b***h sidequests with some peak kino sprinkled in.
I think people wouldn't have such an issue with FF16 sidequests if they actually played out as well as some of the later ones you get with Joshua.
The whole thing I kept wanting was going on sidequests and having people in your party banter with Clive.
>jill commenting on stuff
>cid joking around or fricking around with clive
>shooting the shit with uncle byron
This would've made every single side quest a lot more bearable even if the rewards were still shit.
I dunno Dutch. The whole game feels so stiff compared to other games no matter if western or japanese games.
Instead of trying to hard to copy GoT they should study games like GTAIV, etc. Much better dialogues, much better humor.
>GTAIV
I don't think humor of a game like GTA would ever work in a FF game though. Tonally they are so diametrically opposed.
I would maybe instead recommend the Yakuza games being a decent model for them to emulate if they want to go the more humorous route. I always thought they balanced perfectly with having a seriously toned story and goofy as all hell side content.
>I would maybe instead recommend the Yakuza games being a decent model for them to emulate if they want to go the more humorous route. I always thought they balanced perfectly with having a seriously toned story and goofy as all hell side content.
Yeah Yakuza is a great example too. No cutscene of XVI is reaching the kino of this:
I never played any Yakuza game but holy shit this is awesome. Where should I start? With 0?
I'm not exaggerating. There were some stinkers but most of them were pretty interesting and some of them are main story quality.
I'm doing every single one in FF16 and there hasn't been a single good one lol.
Getting Ambrosia back was neat but the rest are literal MMO-tier.
The last two batches of sidequests are actually pretty good, they flesh out all the side characters. The problem is again the pacing, it's a whole bunch of them before the penultimate dungeon, and between that one and the final dungeon, along with a dozen hunts that unlock then as well.
This is why writing is everything in RPGs. 90 percent of Witcher quests are either "Go here and track down the monster" or fetch quests, but they work because the quests will have good writing to back them up and have decisions that you have to think about from a story perspective. If FF16 had good writing, these issues wouldn't be a problem.
Side quests are the pacing issues. Anyone who says they are is just blowing smoke. The pacing issues come in:
>the main story
where tension builds very quickly and hops around from location to location. This is as opposed to previous entries that often do a bit more to introduce you to the world and cast before shit hits the fan
>gear
You often will simply -have- the best gear available, and then when more inventory at the blacksmith or shop opens up, you have everything you need to buy it all immediately. You then use it for 1-2 chapters of story progression and then sub it all out again (and again, already have all the materials required). I can't think of a single time the blacksmith had a sword available that I couldn't immediately buy. I think the game does lose some points because the anticipation for future gear is an RPG staple, and this game hasn't really delivered on that yet.
>I can't think of a single time the blacksmith had a sword available that I couldn't immediately bu
The only time is when they require a hunt material like for bracers or whatever. But that's more a pacing issue with how they dole out hunts. I find it really stupid they don't just slap all the hunts in the overworld right from the start. Let you encounter super high level hunts and get your shit pushed in. It would make the world feel more dangerous and alive.
Instead they want until specific sections of story before just spawning hunts in.
>Instead they want until specific sections of story before just spawning hunts in.
This is probably the biggest issue with the game so far. By the time they open stuff up to you, you're strong enough to turbo-stomp it. I agree that letting you run into too-strong-for-you enemies would make the game world feel more alive. One of the small complaints I've had.
There is 0 chance it gets GOTY. The really poor pacing after the eikon fights will hold it back.
TotK has way better pacing and playability.
>TotK
kids game
TotK has gameplay and not flashy dmc-lite ripoff with QTE bossfights and mmo telegraphs.
>combat good
>sponge enemies
>cutscenes
>more cutscenes than death stranding
>world
>walking corridors all the time
Playtrannies are the worst.
>falseflagging summergay
remember to get that reading list done before august. Don't put it off!
I agree with score. Probably one of the greatest soundtracks of all time but combat is a button masher and the world is very meh and linear. I kinda almost sort liked FF15 slightly more. 16 is very decent but it’s nothing new or exciting.
>I kinda almost sort liked FF15 slightly more
I liked 15 more in terms of exploration and comfy party dynamic. Also, magic grenades are moronic but how the magic interacted with characters and environment was great. Warps strikes were satisfying but here you have Phoenix Shift so you can still warp (albeit shorter distances) all over the place
It’s crazy because FF15 didn’t really do anything that amazing either. In fact individually a lot of FF15 was crap from story to combat to open world but put together it was pretty memorable and the journey was really special by the end and it just felt epic. 16 is sluggish around the corners especially with pacing. It’s hard to care about literally any of the villagers or characters apart from Clive or Hugo.
>combat is a button masher
I'm not -the- most committed action game player, but this is my experience with literally every action game. Anyone pretending it's hard to get credits on anything like Devil May Cry, Bayonetta, Nier, whatever are being disingenuous as frick. I've beaten every DMC by mashing basic attacks and timing dodges. The whole genre is built around getting high score combos and -how- quickly you can dumpster an enemy, not -whether or not- you can do it. The whole genre -can- be reduced to button mashing, but that's not where any of the depth lies
>The game is definitely GOTY frontrunner at the moment
Lmao it's like 5th place
Right now the only game that has any chance of stopping totk from winning is starfield
>Right now the only game that has any chance of stopping totk from winning is starfield
This. Too much filler here to win.
>starfield
>not released
anon literally said that. totk, skinned as anything other than zelda, is a ~7/10. Not pretending the tendie bias doesn't exist, and so it'll definitely get a nomination, but it's a name drop and little else.
TotK, RE4R are the only current contenders.
Starfield depends on how broken it ships and I don't think anyone expect much of SpiderMan2.
>I don't think anyone expect much of SpiderMan2.
you underestimate how much normalgays eat up capeshit
With how much shit Imsoniac is working on and with their dev times, I expect just a competent sequel, nothing revolutionary or big.
-zero rpg elements
-no party
-zero real dungeons. The story "dungeons" are all 13-tier corridors
-loot fricking sucks. No interesting items to find. You're constantly getting gil bugs and shit even though unless you're buying all of the music for the jukebox you will always have more money than you could ever possibly spend. Accessories are basically all boring "reduce the cooldown time of this specific ability."
-towns are window dressing. They lack any real character and you can't even go into the buildings. You see those cool-looking cities from the previews? Well you don't get to actually explore any of them.
-one of the shittiest main villains with the shittiest design in FF history. I don't like FFXV but Ardyn was way more charismatic and had a way cooler design than this alien gay.
-ton of menial fetch quests.
>the moment to moment gameplay is objectively amazing
-excessive motion blur and particle vomit make it hard to see what enemies are doing
-cycling through eikons and managing cooldowns simply don't work well in an action game. You shouldn't be forcing the player to take their eyes off the enemy to see which eikon they have selected or which abilities are ready to go. Even God of War has the common sense to assign different weapons to the dpad instead of cycling through them.
Yea it's very good and very much final fantasy. Yay.
I cans understand it getting an 8/10 average but my favorite games are often rated 8/10. This seems like it will be a classic 20 hours in.
-1 point for each aids riddled buttbawd forced onto my screen
Put in 30 hours. It's really fun but held back by the ps5. PC version will run this game at 4k 60+ and it'll look amazing.
I played the demo for a bit but the terrible frame rate is a turn off. Even performance mode can't hold 60 fps. I didn't buy a PS5 to play in 30fps.
Not to mention it overheats and bricks ps5s at certain parts like the morbol fight, while running at sub 30 fps on performance mode kek.
>expecting a niggress to maintain their console
I'm assuming this is people playing on the graphic mode instead of aiming for performance?
I'm about 50 hours in and haven't had this issue once.
I pre-ordered my ps5, have never cleaned it and never had this happen lul. Clean your rooms you animals.
should be sucking my dick
>buys console
>starts b***hing about shit performance
Do consolecucks really?
>shitshows like 12
shut the frick up. its only fault was that it was unfinished.
TITAN TITAN
ROCK THE TITAN
wonder if koji and soken will perform these at fanfest
>24 mins long boss
>Half of it is a shitty on rails section
>The other half is you slowly chirping away the boss's energy with fireballs and whenever he gets closer to you
That Gunbuster reference just before the final faze had me pumped.
Thats actually pretty fricking cool and very FFesque
FF has a good game finally
>final fantasy finally has a game to be proud of again
It's boring af narrative wise, after the first 10 hours it all goes downhill.
Jill fricking sucks as a "love interest" if you can even call them that, hardly even a character, and people thought Lunafreya was bad, she'd be the kind of b***h that would have a thousand yard stare while you frick her.
The combat is DMClite.
The side quests however, REALLY shows the FFXIVness of it all.
>lunafreya is better
Kek you watched the game didn't you
No I'm playing it as I type this, Jill fricking sucks.
You can't tell me that she has any real semblance of Character.
she's just a blank canvas for femcels to paint themselves onto
>she's just a blank canvas for femcels to paint themselves onto
Well they're boring too.
Right but the chick who's offscreen until 15 hours in and then dies is better xD gotcha
I never said anywhere that she was better, Just because she was just as bad, doesn't make Jill better, hell, I'd say Jill is worse.
>I never said she was better
>hell, Jill is worse
Holy moron! How do you remember to breathe!
Just because something is shit, doesn't suddenly make other shit better anon.
It's still shit.
>The side quests however, REALLY shows the FFXIVness of it all.
Some are actually great like the girl who tells you to recover his doll with white hair, Chloe, and you found a dead Bearer with white hair, the girls comes in and starts shit talking the dead body and that she's the third one that breaks on her.
Clive loses his shit, screams to the girl that she's fricked up and that a human life was lost due to his whims and leaves the little girl crying
That sounds cornball as frick lmao
How is that "great"?
Clive is mostly a pretty calm and reasonable dude, even after seeing lots and lots of bearers die before, but is this one little girl that makes him loses his shit. He doesn't even treat the guy that was feeding bearer to his dog as bad as her.
>yet another badly written slavery bad quest
wow
What is bad about it? You have played the game, right?
>slavery bad
>btw did you know that slavery bad?
>in case you've forgotten: slavery bad
>oh wow, look the time - it's slavery bad o'clock
I get it, I get it - slavery bad. no need to repeat yourself.
They need to show you WHY is bad, because morons in Ganker need to be beat up with the theme in their face otherwise we have years of:
>Was Naoto trans all along?
That and the dog guy and his son are like the only good sidequests. Everything else is basically "Collect 5 bear asses" tier.
The Hunts are better than any side quest in the game.
>Walk here
>Press interact button
>Slavery bad
this is the bar for a good sidequest these days? Witcher 3 ruined videogames
Clive feels like an older squall to me. Fine by mine, i actually like 8
Is clive the most handsome protag in vidya history? Asking for a friend
Why the frick is it called Final Fantasy? It has nothing to do with the series at all.
if there's a chocobo in it SE doesn't care
>Chocobos, Crystals, Japanese Gay Boys as Villains
It's FF to me.
>This will sell our game
This was one of the funniest scenes. Ultima real-time cucking Hugo lmao
I really like how they put focus on ifrit's long thick tongue in this scene. I really wish i were benedikta in this scene and he introduced his long flaming tongue into my mouth.
Game's great Ganker btfo
Loved it, though it has some flaws, and I dislike downer endings.
I hope they follow up on this one but with a Job System instead of Eikons.
The only bad thing about XVI is barry with his several negative shill account here on Ganker and on reddit.
>That Bahamut fight
Jesus fricking christ.
Fight was too good and overshadowed the next two Eikon fights.
Compare the smaller stuff in the main story before Garuda, like going through Lostwing village, to the Mid stuff before Titan or the trader's pass stuff before Bahamut. The filler in the main story starts feeling REALLY tedious, running back and forth talking to people who are cardboard cutouts and doing 2 small battles at most.
>doing 2 small battles at most.
So? Why do you need combat sections for the sidequests? You get plenty of combat sections within the main scenario or if you want more you can just do arcade mode. The primary reward and incentive for the sidequests is expansion upon existing characters.
They're MMO tier sidequests. There's no interesting gameplay, interesting story or some new game mechanic in any of them.
>They're MMO tier sidequests. There's no interesting gameplay, interesting story
It's seems like a interesting story to me.
>sidequests
That shit is in the main path.
>best FF since VIIR
>it's not even an RPG anymore
lel I'm not complaining
>>best FF since VIIR
>every post that praises xvi has to shit one the past FF games like XIII and XV
>but Skips XIV
>Conveniently the only FF square enix said actually damaged the brand
don't let cult members fool you. correcting the mistake will not erase what was said.
I've longed for a Vagrant Story sequel for years, and I thought we might get it here, but no. It's not even close.
I wish there was anything in this game with even 10% of the depth and soul of Callo and Hardin's interactions.
I played it for around 12 hours and have to say that the pacing is worse than in MGS4. Too much cutscenes, too much dialogues... and all of them are empty yada yada.
Sorry about your crippling moronation, Anon.
FF series will never ever recover cause of the damage done by FFXV. I was a diehard FF fan till I played FFXV
>I was a diehard FF fan till I played FFXV
Playing any FF after X.
12 was better than 10
Only in terms of dungeon design.
>12 was as good as 10
I'm of the opinion you can't really compare the two as the gameplay is so wildly different. But I absolutely love both of them for what they are. Probably my two favorite FF's.
Why is everyone so desperate to get this game over?
only cult members think this game is a draw but its drawing no dimes.
It's good for smut. Clive having a happy life and family with Jill while hate fricking and impregnating his c**t of a mother. That and Barnabas being barnabas.
>FFI
>WoL looks like a glamour rock homosexual
>FFII
>Firion looks like a gypsy homosexual
>FFIII
>Onion Knight looks is a fricking child
>FFIV
>see FFI
>FFV
>Bartz looks like a fricking twink
>FFVII
>Cloud's hairstyle is genuinely moronic and is just a mess of polygons
>FFVIII
>Squall was potentially the most good-looking guy (before FFXVI)
>FFIX
>Zidane looks like some homosexuals from the 90s
>FFX
>see FFIX
>FFXII
>see FFV
>FFXV
>Noctis's Sasuke hair is stupid as hell. Looks much better after timeskip
Clive is unironically the best looking FF protag hands-down, followed by Squall.
>Onion Knight is* a fricking child
Clive looks like a 00s host with muscles. The whole armor design is the same ugly shit like from XIV tomestones.
I actually had this same thought, that Clive looked laughable and then I thought back on _all_ the FF protags.
Honestly, the main series of numbered titles completely, as you say, has goofy as hell looking protags.
Cloud, Squall, Lightning, are obviously the top tier of character models, and Clive isn't that different. The early games especially have a hysterically over the top aesthetic.
>The early games especially have a hysterically over the top aesthetic.
because they go for fairy tale vibes, not realism. Also Amano's costume designs are cool as frick. Nu-FF is afraid of colors and patterns.
That actually looks cool, the problem is that it's almost always clashing with something that doesn't match it at all. I don't know why they can't stick to themes.
> the problem is that it's almost always clashing with something that doesn't match it at all
what do you mean?
>Doesn't feel very mystical.
It weirdly tries to play both sides. On the one hand it wants to be dark, gritty, and realistic, but then Clive fights like an anime character and the eikon fights are the most over the top insane nonsense.
meant to reply to
>WoL looks like a glamour rock homosexual
as any good FF protag should.
Final Fantasy is bad because of the nepotism running in that studio. Fans treat these person's like idols this feeding their egos even more.
Yoshi P, Nomura, Tabata and so on it's all weed that needs to be trimmed out.
>Tabata and so on it's all weed that needs to be trimmed out.
Well Tabata's been out for years now, so that's 1/3
The worst thing about XVI is the humor. It feels so forced and mature.
Cid and Gav are funny though. The singer is trash I wanted him to die in the Hideout 1.0.
Gav is best boy
where's the thirst?
Cid said that they should behave themselves, Jill is clearly frustrated by that because she knows for a fact that Clive will indeed behave (won't make a move on her).
i think you're reading too much into it
>Gav is best boy
That he is.
>friendzoned by best boy
clivebros.... not like this
Don't give up hope...Clive is just awkward in his interaction. It will take some time to bloom is all.
I disagree
What's wrong with their faces?
They don't use wildly exaggerated anime-tier animations.
Clive, Jill, Benedicta, etc. have strange faces.
MMO quality.
Guys how do I use ifrits abilities? I don’t get it, is it only available when I’m in limitbreak mode or can I switch to it likee Phoenix and Garuda?
Ifrits abilities can replace Phoenix's initially but when fully upgrades you can put them on any eikon.
These 16 bait threads are always filled with the most random and exaggerated criticism
Welcome to the FF community.
Lol yeah it's not the coping seethers, totally
Which is?
I looked at some footage and to me it seems like it's literally just combat arena -> cut scene -> combat arena
Is there any more to it? Any exploration?
Is the combat and story good enough to keep that formula interesting?
The game has larger areas, but there's no point to exploration and the linear dungeon setpieces and the boss fights are where the game shines. The stuff inbetween them starts to feel like a dull slog, especially in the second half of the game.
>The game has larger areas, but there's no point to exploration
I guess you can just leave all those treasure chests that have 25 gil in them to me, sucker.
>Is there any more to it? Any exploration?
The overworld is more like FF12 but some of the zones are arguably too big and there's nothing really interesting to find in any of them. Zero optional dungeons. Towns are bland dogshit where you can't even go inside the buildings and none of the cool-looking cities are accessible. outside of the overworld you have the main story missions which are 13-tier corridors. So overall there isn't really much exploration to be had.
It's definitely engaging and unless you're playing on journo mode the combat can be pretty fun. Most cutscenes are pretty nice too. Main attraction of the game is the spectacle and setpieces though, 12/10 for both of those but the game itself is just pretty good, certainly better than 13 and 15. Not sure if it's better than 12 or some of the earlier barebones games like 1 and 2 but it's hard to compare there
Am I deluded for thinking why they didn't just make "FFXV: This time we actually Finished it"?
I genuinely don't get why final fantasy needed to turn into some linear dmc-lite game.
Because these games are easier to make and the grandpa mafiosos in charge of the franchise haven't done dry humping it. They don't care if the series is going to shit as long they make money.
>Because these games are easier to make
>an action game is easier to make
>than an excel spreadsheet
Yes it is. An Elder Scrolls game is significantly harder to make than 6 hour long DMC game.
Good thing FFXVI isn't 6 hours long then. Idiot.
Absolutely, especially when they're garbage, like this one. There's barely any hit detection, the skill tree is pathetically miniscule, the entire screen is just particles flying everywhere.
These chinkcets making these games are at the end of their life, you think they give a frick about providing you an actual good experience? You think they want to develop games that take effort and time to make? kek guys like Yoshi P are just wipping their asses to this franchise on their way out.
>the skill tree is pathetically miniscule
there is no tree. It's just purchasing moves like you do in DMC.
If FF XV devs actually tried to finish all the shit they set out to do that game would still be in development. They wanted a full open world with two continents and four fully fleshed out cities and towns all connected via a railway system. They failed miserably and XVI devs probably didn't want to trip over the same stone.
Did Ishikawa write this? I feel like Shadowbringers had better writing.
Maehiro. ARR/Heavensward writer.
It explains a lot. ARR writing and pacing are so bad its called "the great filter" by FF14 fans.
>ARR writing and pacing are so bad its called "the great filter" by FF14 fans.
More like ShB is the great filter. I started to skip the story after fat guy flew away.
Ah, makes sense why it feels so dry.
Kazutoyo Maehiro
The homosexual responsible for some of the tactics games, FFXII, vagrant story and The Last Remnant.
Matsuno wrote all of those with the exception of TLR, which wasn't Maehiro either
amen, just beat it last night. what a ride.
>Odin is just a regular FFXVI shit fight
NOOOOOOOOO THE PLATINUM TOUCH WHERE IS IT
>uhh how do we make this fight when he has a flying horse and is fricking huge
>uhhh ifrit breaks the sword that can slice anything and kills it
okay? I don't expect Bahamut quality, but I expected more.
i wish it wasn't the regular garbage ARPG gameplay
The Odin fight was so disappointing and I was very let down by it.
Why do you say platinum. I've played bayo 1,2 and nier. I haven't felt anything from platinum
>Why do you say platinum. I've played bayo 1,2 and nier. I haven't felt anything from platinum
Yeah i also wonder why you stupid zoomer
I wish we could just use all 7 summons instead of only picking 3.
diamond dust in 16 is so satisfying man
my favorite FF spell
>I wish
I wish this game wasn't money laundering for all that money SE owes to the Yakuza for their failed NFT business.
Why did that one reviewer say the sandBlack person faction weren't sandBlack folk? Look plenty swarthy to me.
Dhalmekia is basically the European territories of the Ottoman Empire. Of course some liberal mutt moron doesn't get it
I thought Barnabas was going to be THE rival from the trailers.
>Undefeated fighting autist warrior-king who rose to power through strength alone
>”Frick politics I just love war and crave a challenge”
>Easily beats Clive twice, setting up a cathartic moment later for both Clive and the player when they overcome him
>Nah never mind he’s actually just a lackey to the ayyys
Missed opportunity for a stellar eikon fight as well, it was all just meh
My Black person. This also retroactively shit up Benedikta's character since now we're supposed to believe she bought into his schizo bullshit, making her a moron. His supposed rivalry with Bahamut also goes absolutely nowhere.
There was also that one scene where the game shows you he's actually a weird deranged homosexual with a Oedipus complex who gets naked in his room so Ultima can show him visions of Hugo, Benedikta and his fricking mother naked so he can cry in their lap. And then does nothing with that.
The game feels mostly un-compromised but if I had to point to one thing where they likely had to cut shit out, it would be Barnabas.
>The game feels mostly un-compromised but if I had to point to one thing where they likely had to cut shit out
Also
>Leviathan
>Torgal being Fenrir feels like they just didn't want to waste the model and animations they had already made
>Ran'dallah
>Metia/the moon/basically anything to do with the Fallen
It is baffling they didn't have Torgal/Fenrir killing Barnabas/Odin.
now that would actually be kino
Good point here
>Leviathan
Almost certainly mid production as they name-dropped it so it made it past the concept stage
>Torgrir
Probably just an idea they floated in to have him help in Eikon fights but decided it was too much work
>Ran'dellah on the map and unused
Yeah this was egregious, also there's the northern territory section and the broken mother crystal there that I thought we would go to at some point.
>Second base is an Airship
Implies to me that originally they had the makings of a much bigger game but they realized that they'd run through their budget after Bahamut, which felt like the typical halfway point in most final Fantasy games
>Metia
I thought to God we would end up in space at some point considering the Bahamut fight.
Oh well, in a perfect world this game would have more budget
>There was also that one scene where the game shows you he's actually a weird deranged homosexual with a Oedipus complex who gets naked in his room so Ultima can show him visions of Hugo, Benedikta and his fricking mother naked so he can cry in their lap. And then does nothing with that.
WHAT DID THEY FRICKING MEAN BY THIS?!
>crave a challenge
Unironically a worse fate for his characters than eating alien pussy.
Benedikta was just someone who everyone else deemed useless and she had no place and fell into the people like Cid and Barnabas who saved her/gave her purpose. Its why she freaks out extra hard when Garuda is taken. I doubt she really knew what the frick was going on.
Fallen was definitely a dead end they maybe had in the initial scenario and was quickly cut. For an ancient civilization plotline FF games love, this one went nowhere. Leviathan was 100% DLC bait, if they wanted to purely cut it they would just alter the mural.
>someone who everyone else deemed useless
>dominant
>useless
wtf are they smoking?
Hard to know when she got her powers, part of it might be since Cid and Barny are from Ash, so was she.
Garuda is the weakest Eikon. Only Phoenix is weaker.
>A is the weakest
>but B is weaker
Yoshi-P wienersuckers are the pinnacle of mankind
even the weakest dominant is capable of turning the tides of battle. she's more useful than 99.9% of people on the planet
Phoenix is insanely overpowered though
Phoenix is a support Eikon, he's the designated healbawd.
Phoenix is stronger, his shield alone makes him better than anything Garuda could do.
>Fallen was definitely a dead end they maybe had in the initial scenario and was quickly cut.
They didn't even bother explaining the how and when and why of the Fall. I mean it's supposed to have been Ultima right? The Sins of Dzemekys? Why did that mothercrystal get destroyed then?
DLC bait, please look forward to it.
>walk by hooker at Martha's place
>"I'd totally suck your knob clean if you weren't an imperial ;^*~~"
>get dad armor
>walk by the hooker again
>......... :^|
wtf bros...
>wtf bros...
The other hooker says
>If you didn't have that brand, I'd be on you like a rash
Ahhhh, I misremembered. Shit.
>brand is super noticeable and on the same spot for everyone
>people automatically hate anyone with the brand
>get it removed and not have a super noticeable scar
>no one questions why you have a scar exactly where the brand usually is
>everyone treats all these people running around with these scars completely normally
???
One quest goes into it. There is actually toxin beneath the brand, so if a branded tries to remove it then they're likely going to release the toxin which will kill them. It is unthinkable to normal people that a branded would be able to remove their brand because of that.
Koji has been having way too much fun witht his game.
>tfw the "nose buried in my nuts" line from Harpocrates
>put in the effort to get Goddendamerung
>it's literally the same model as the ragnarok
I'm actually upset
Fitting as both names mean the same thing only in different languages
>people believing in SE after all the FF failures in the last 2 decades
The way they talk about the Veil in this game make it sounds like literal paradise kek. These soldiers will fight and die for “courtesan” pussy
Why does Dion get to keep his roided out bahamut?
Ok the cutscenes from the introduction of emperor sylv and up were fricking hype. Also Jill holding Clive's hand was heckin cute. More like this please
What's something this games doing that's going to keep people coming back? Pretty far in the game now and once I'm done I might not come back. DMC is still a better action game series, there's no RPG elements and the story isn't great enough to experience again or talk about for that long.
NG+ difficulty, arcade mode scores and chronolith trials.
I really don't think so.
You don't have to play every game for 100 hours.
12 was a masterpiece but I get the hate from low iq turn based fans like you OP.
*slurpee
> We barely need stats
> We don't need status ailments
> We don't need elemental weaknesses/strengths
> We don't need physical/magical division damage
> We don't need buffs/debuffs
> We don't need skill/magic variety
> We don't need mana/stamina systems
> We don't need Black folk, but we add homosexuals instead
> We don't need active exploration
> We don't need good sidequests
> We don't need secrets around the world
> We don't need endgame
> We don't need superbosses
> We don't need turns, it's time to evolve
> RPG evolution is just turning into Devil May Cry and removing basic content
would be great to have some of these things that are missing but dev time would take 2 or 3 more years.
>we don't need elemental weakness
Why the frick didn't they include this?! The game goes out of the way to tell you that gaining an Eikons power changes the element of Clives' but there's literally no system tied to it in the game.
I can deal with no status ailments and buffs, but no elemental weaknesses/interactions seems like such a huge missed opportunity that'd give the game some some extra depth.
Because le action game and not forcing you to use an eikon you dont like (since magic element is tied to each eikon). Its ok till you kill Bombs with fire, but stull could be argued its not canon and pretend elements dont matter. Then you have Jill stopping lava with freeze in Drake's Breath and so on
also your basic magic projectile is pretty worthless.
XVI is the best FF since X, but people underrate the games we've had in the interim. XIII was mediocre but the sequels were good, as was XV. WoFF, VIIR and SoP were very good, nearly great. They were all overhyped for sure (well except Lightning Returns since nobody expected much out of that) but none of them were bad and I'm tired of dipshits pretending otherwise.
Its not better than 11 12 or 14 by a long shot
I haven't played the MMOs so I can't compare it to them, but it's definitely better than XII. Especially the base game. International made some improvements but it's still one of the worst FF games. It's still a solid game but it (along with X-2) is definitely where the series started to trend downwards in terms of quality.
Thats a matter of taste, but 12 has infinitely more depth and a party system, which puts it ahead of 16 by default.
Its issues, if you want to call them that is that the style is more similar to baldurs gate than a ff, which people may or may not like. 16 is shallow, even for an action game.
12 is boring shit. Hunts are the only good part of that game.
Once again. Taste. What you can’t deny is that there’s something there.
> is that the style is more similar to baldurs gate than a ff
No it's that it's one of the worst takes on a RTWP system ever. You can just have the AI do everything for you. The abilities are all super basic JRPG abilities. Positioning basically doesn't matter. And it also lacks a lot of depth compared to BG. If Square Enix decided to make an FF game that was like an older Bioware RPG then that might actually be cool but ff12 just feels like it kinda wants to be Baldur's gate in terms of combat but it's nowhere near Baldur's gate on any level in terms of gameplay.
I would totally play Baldur's Gate: Square Enix edition, but Square seems to hate everything that people like about RPGs. you want to meet cool characters and have them join your adventure as party members? frick you. You want to explore cities with actual content and labyrinthine dungeons and find interesting magical equipment and scrolls and shit? frick you.
>16 is shallow, even for an action game.
this is such a strange lie. Why not criticize one of the many things the game actually does poorly? Pretending FF16 is any less deep than DMC or Bayo or whatever makes no sense.
Yes it is shallow by design because of the games it's emulating, and people are right to be upset about that. I'm gonna be honest, I didn't buy a PS5 for this but after everything I've seen since release, I don't even know that I'll bother pirating it when it gets cracked. That's really sad. I was a die hard FF fan once upon a time.
>XVI is the best FF since X
Yeah... No.
The greatest love story ever told vs discount GoT with the most boring vg "couple" ever put to screen.
Clive and Cid have more chemistry
>The greatest love story ever told
Don't make me bring out the novel anon
>Don't make me bring out the novel
No one talks about that, even the Japanese.
Now about the music.
Kino, I love FFX
>that art
how is x so soulful...
i miss real Final Fantasy
god she's so fricking hot
they really got the Amber Heard vibes perfectly
>when she was going full schizo trying to explain herself hastily to Clive and Jill
Made me diamonds.
"Best since X" means it's not as good as X, anon.
Except 16 is arguably still worse than 12.
Tidus is a boring and one-dimensional character
>GoT
Opinion discarded, at least play the game before shitposting
>but devs said!
Play the fricking game
>Opinion discarded, at least play the game before shitposting
The devs themself stated that they highly influenced by GoT
But like always the fans know it better and James Sunderland is starring at player.
They also have named other influences, but since you havent played the game I dont care what you have to say
And FF 4
And DQV
And Tactics (FF and Ogre)
And Devilman
And Gundam
>Play the fricking game
I am, and it's GoT with a side of Naruto and a sprinkle of Evangelion.
>and it's GoT
is shorthand used by zoomies for "anything that involves politics"?
No the devs were proudly advertising that they were aping GoT whilst missing the point of it in execution. GoT isn't even that good.
I don't mind taking inspiration from western media, even GoT, but there was a better way to do it.
i never noticed just how moronic ffx character design is. only auron and yuna are fine, and i still have some questions for una. particulary those fricking boots. why not just give her geta since she's already wearing a discount kimono and obi
i fricking sold ragnarok without realizing i'd need it for gotterdammerung.... and blackthorne doesn't seem to be able to make it again.
NOOOOOOOOOOO.
Why would you sell anything in this game? Gil is useless.
Kek I sell everything the moment I have a new toy. No regrets.
>Jesse wieners of all people destroys the MUH NOT REAL FF gays in a single video
It's not a real FF. Nobody would be crying if it would be some none main title like dirge or cerberus or stranger of paradise.
But as main title it should be a rpg. No matter if a modern one like XII or XV or the old turn-based/ATB ones.
You're wrong.
I am at Clive and Jill confronting his mother. The cutscene seemed sped up. They all speak really fast suddenly. Does anyone has the same issue?
there are a few moments like that in the game but it's not something you should be concerned about.
>calling Soken shit
Is there a more guaranteed way of ousting yourself as either a shitposter or contrarian?
The Titan Lost music is disappointingly bad, but there is also so many times they use the basic boss theme instead of a unique one. The highs are high, but the lows are quite low with Soken
People literally don't appreciate his musicn if it isn't orchestral rock bombastic crazy music, it's baffling. That isn't all there is to video game music.
Well, he's certainly no Eumatsu
This game will be very very fortunate to be nominated for GotY.
The music in orabelle downs and eastpool are fricking amazing zone music. How the frick does soken do it
>final fantasy finally has a game to be proud of again
True, but it's not this one.
nth for Jote a qt
She is so unbelievably gorgeous. Like a goddess has graced us.
who do all the characters look like they had the blur tool rubbed over their skin?
It's the magic of the XIV engine
What compells people to try so hard to think of ways to call a game shit when they haven't even played it nor intended to buy it in the first place. Are they really so bored?
I don't need to taste shit to know that it's bad
It basically boils down to they’re angry people are enjoying the game. While I think shitposting about a game is an autistic waste of time, at least the people who’ve played it and shitpost about it gave the game a chance and have actual arguments in their shitposting, I also want to say criticism isn’t shitposting because I know some moron will think I implied that.
There's a lot to criticize about the game but frick me if countering Ultimalius's attacks eikon for eikon after which that major chord choral + trumpets version of Find the Flame kicked in wasn't the most kino shit in FF ever.
Actually trumped Endsinger.
>bought FF15 when it was on sale because I told myself I'd replay the game again some day
>having a great time with FF16
>there's no way I'll be able to enjoy what was already a lukewarm experience now
woops
2023 rankings Tok>RE4>SF6>Diablo 4>Hi-Fi>Dead Space>FF16
?t=1982
Frick anyone who calls this "not muh FF". These people have no souls.
There is nothing soulful standing in a XIV arena circle and doing QTEs.
>It's nothing new or exciting
>it's too different from older games, it's not a real FF game
>The story is just a GoT copy, forcing mature themes
>I prefer FF6 which has a more FF feel (includes genocide, suicide and slavery themes)
>FF7 (Includes rape theme and forcing interspecies sex)
>FF10 (Religious corruption)
These threads are so fricking wild, sometimes I wonder if the self-proclaimed "old FF fans" have actually played any of the old games, or if they remember anything from them.
>
memory holes are real
and so are contrarians
and trolls
just learn to filter the worthless posts and I don't mean by using an addon
FF10 wasn't dark from what I remember.
It's basically an isekai.
FFXVI isn't real FF. Keep coping with your cherrypicked trivia
Sorry it's a real FF game.
Time to move on boomer.
Square Enix is on the verge of bankruptcy and this is how you handle it?
>Square Enix is on the verge of bankruptcy
CBU3 with FF14 are the ones that have kept it afloat this long. Who else would you trust to turn things around?
XVI is trash but SE has it's most profitable year of all time by a mile
>anything I disagree with is just cherrypicking
Sorry old man but time to step aside for the new direction for mainline FF games.
They're going to do a complete reversal for XVII, I guarantee it.
kek nobody cares if it's a "real" ff the game sucks that's why it has shit sales numbers and so many people shit on it
Almost universal praise.
Pick more cherries ya mark homosexual.
>Almost universal praise.
>Pick more cherries ya mark homosexual.
holy cope, be ready for the lowest sales numbers in the history of the franchise kek
This game will have little cultural influence, only because it looks like any edgy and generic Western game.
i hope devs start to realize the medieval thematic is incredibly stale and overdone soon
When will people just admit that FFX was shit?
Never, I love FFX
Just looking at this image
makes FFX look infinitely more interesting and something you want to engage with than anything they've released since then
nobody was looking at xvi and thinking "woah this looks so interesting i want to know more!"
I agree, it's just the game is not the image. It's a pretty shallow rpg with the gayest characters ever. I just don't get that so many people cum in their pants thinking about it when it'd decidedly average and not as good as even FFXII
I still replay every so often because I love it so much but I can never be bothered to do all the side-content because it just takes so damn long.
Also, FRICK BLITZBALL!
Blitzball is the reason I know all the shitpost whining about FFXVI not having minigames comes from people who've never played a single game in the series.
>FRICK BLITZBALL
confirmed falseflagger
>castle rosaria
>phoenix vs ifrit
>regular battle theme
>Jill and Clive under the moon scene
>stillwind swamps
>stillwind battle music
>mini boss music
>Clive and Joshua talking
>eastpool music and battle music
>orabelle down music
>Clive vs ifrit music
Wtf are you homosexuals on? The music has been nothing but a masterpiece
Second hideaway theme is great
Does the NG+ mode have anything substantial that would warrant playing the game again?
New enemy placement and a new level cap.
Level cap to 100, all stages/dungeons have alternate enemy packs,everything is more aggressive and hits harder, accessories can be upgraded.
Wait, people unironically like Tidus? That moron who fake laughs in one of the worst voice acted scenes in video game history? Christ
And still people remember Tidus. Clive will be forgotten in a few months.
Yes people remember shit characters all the time, it's not a good thing anon.
Tidus wasn't shit. He was just sometimes annoying. Same goes for most FF heroes. But Chris Redfield is the worst FF protagonist of all FF games. He's bland, boring and has a stiff face.
X-2 made him shit.
X-2 is shit.
>Wait, people unironically like Tidus?
Yes
>That loveable kid who fake laughs in one of the greatest voice acted scenes in video game history?
Yeah that's the one.
>she got filtered by the meme
sis, watch the actual scene. It's better than anything involving Clive and Jill once you understand the context https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXZhTb0eUqA
Yes he has daddy issues just like me.
Vaan re-contextualizes Tidus for me, in a "okay, Tidus isn't THAT bad" way.
>Wait, people unironically like Tidus?
Yes. He is the greatest FF protagonist because he was whisked away from his home, has to learn to adapt to his new situation, ends up being told he's not a real boy, grows as a person and settles with the fact that he'll disappear.
> That moron who fake laughs in one of the worst voice acted scenes in video game history? Christ
The whole point of the scene is that they're forcing themselves to laugh on purpose to relieve stress. It's a weird scene (and the other characters even acknowledge this) but acting like that one scene makes Tidus bad is dumb
>The whole point of the scene is that they're forcing themselves to laugh on purpose to relieve stress.
Don't explain it to them anon, they're too dumb to realize laugh therapy is an actual thing.
XV's sound track was much better. Shimomura only second to Uematsu when it comes to Squeenix game music
100% agree, i great action FF with great build variety and combat system,really likeable 10/10 MC ,incredible boss fights and a overall love letter to the franchise.
you are doing yourself a disservice if you don't open psn right now and buy Final Fantasy:Stranger of Paradise
It's good, but hopefully people see it ain't a masterpiece and stop dickriding CBU3
give them an inch and they'll take a mile
watch
This, holy frick
Specially the Yoship and Soken dickriding
First one is decent at spreadsheets and time management
Soken has some really good songs but half the new shit he's dishing out is that garbage with the weird autotuned vocals that make me want to rip my ears every time I hear it
>but half the new shit he's dishing out is that garbage with the weird autotuned vocals that make me want to rip my ears every time I hear it
stfu barry
I'm not Barry you moron
I just fricking hate how he butchered half the current raid tier's OST with that
?t=75
Like this bit
>'m not Barry you moron
sure buddy
>shitting on P12 theme
Begone, heretic.
I actually really like it until the part I linked, that's why it pisses me off
Toxoplasmosis, hate to see it
The music in ff16 sucks.
I'm Barry btw.
No, im barry.
>It's good
Yes
>but hopefully people see it ain't a masterpiece
There's a few things barring it from that status yeah
>and stop dickriding CBU3
I will not because at the very least Final Fantasy is redeemed by this and I can actually look forward to another game.
>dickriding CBU3
After 10 years of FF being a mediocre product those homosexuals produced what's basically a love letter to the franchise. They hit all the right notes and copied WOW gameplay. They deserve the dickriding from salvaging 1.0. and the next 2 expansions. After that.. yeah they've been kinda garbage but i blame the troons and the tourists
Barnabas at Kanver and Barny at his boss fight are two different characters
If you're shitting on the music then now I really know you're just in it to try to shit on these so called XIV cultists. You can't stand the praise the MMO devs received so now everything they do is shit to you. That's not a very good way to go about life, you could be enjoying sokens fantastic music but instead you choose to let his fans rub you the wrong way
>Odins sword has the power to sever the very threads of creation
>parts the ocean Moses style
>mogs Clive twice
>fiery boi snaps in without much effort
I feel like they missed a step somewhere...
After the second mogging I was expecting another Dagobah Cave/Lady of the Lake kind of sequence where Clive gets a powerup and finds out some secrets, maybe Barnabas' backstory, and it never came.
All the budget spent on Bahamut, and for damn good reason
16 is shit but 12 was garbage too.
the frick
die
Yoshi-p like the other anon said, is good at managing.
He was also a programmer (before becoming producer).
And he is obssesed with streamlining and optimizing the fun out of a game.
I'm not suprised by many of XVI negatives knowing his decisions in XIV.
Honestly they should've just kept him where he was, and had him continue eroding the goodwill of the XIV playerbase with every new casual focused decision and new mogstation item and just given XVI to Yoko Taro
Not even planning to touch this game until I get it from a bargain bin, but answer this. Are there any secret dungeons or super bosses?
i wish they'd had Yoko Shimomura compose for this game, but for whatever reason she refuses to work with anyone that isn't Nomura even if she calls him an annoying weirdo in interviews
or Mitsuda, hell even Ishimoto deserves another chance at composing for FF. Soken is boring
> but for whatever reason she refuses to work with anyone that isn't Nomura
no, Square people just have their cliques. Soken is YoshiPs friend so he gets put on YoshiP's game.
this. you can even point out the little director-composer pair ups
>Sakaguchi-Uematsu
>Nomura-Shimomura
>Toriyama-Hamauzu
>Taro-Okabe
>Yoshi-Soken
for better or worse, these people learn to work together, and stick together.
Hamauzu deserved a better director
>i wish they'd had Yoko Shimomura compose for this game, but for whatever reason she refuses to work with anyone that isn't Nomura even if she calls him an annoying weirdo in interviews
She also works with Sakurai, she loves him and they wank each other from time to time, they even held concerts together.
16 feels more like Vagrant Story or Tactics than Final Fantasy. I don't want to play a 40 year old humorless protag who has his love interest raped by some creepy priest for 13 years straight.
FF is meant to be comfy uplifting stories, not this GoT doom and misery and rape shit.
Can you frickers play the damn game before you make stupid posts like this. I thought it was weird that Jill straight out mentioned she was never raped, but it is because of people like you that they had to put that line in.
>Clive
>40s
>humorless
Jesus Christ play the fricking game
This is a good post. It does feel like a successor to Tactics and Vagrant Story, but I actually like that.
>FF is meant to be comfy uplifting stories
Something I like about this game is that the small wins hit a lot harder because of the overall tone. The reunion with Wade and Byron's introduction felt great because of it.
The Vagrant Story comparison is pretty apt. You get a villain that the game hypes up a ton, only for some alien shit to come into play
I'd give my honest opinion on this shit, but for some reason they decided it was a wise move to release it on one console. Sorry Squeenix u fricked up
Don't worry they'll release it on steam and have it on sale every week like a used prostitute in 6 months time
Might give it a go for 10 euros at most. Especially considering how much people are shitting on the game now.
>Barry mindbreaks the entire board and turns them into paranoid schizos
Pretty based ngl
FFbros we won
Frick it, reached the second hub, game is kino.
>Typhoon
>Cid's death with that theme
>Ultima appearing this soon
>Joshua
>Clive becoming Cid and stealing his theme
Typhoon was cool, yeah. Is there footage of this fight in FF Mode already? I wonder how much it changes.
Unfortunately that's the point where the pacing starts to go to shit.
I really wouldn't have minded the hub just opening up into more side content to do at my own leisure, but frick me, the mandatory parts like getting Mid's parts for the Enterprise just made me scream for the next dungeon to arrive already.
hi there mr intern. how many threads per day you need to start? whats the $ per post rates this year?
>vidya threads in a videogames board? Not on my watch
I want to go back and play the PS1 games. Is 8 or 9 better to start with?
Whatever you want, dude. But use the fast forward function on your emulator, specially on IX
HAG RAPE
>somehow didn't age a day in 18+ years
She found a hole in the wall.
bros I want her to manipulate me and make me her boytoy so bad I can't take it anymore
Why does look younger than Clive?
built for Clive's big Mythos wiener, according to Zoroastrian tenets there is nothing purer than breeding your mother
t. Barnabas
>moviegame but japan
I'm so happy it flopped. Japanese gaming might've dodged the biggest bullet ever.
>it flopped
The doomie cope is unreal
It did though lmao
Because... you had a dream?
Because I've been following the news about it's reception since it came out gay. I know the truth is hurting you, but I will not lie to make you feel better.
Ah, your personal selection? I can take 3 or 4 90+ reviews and the "sold out" screenshot and have an argument as valid as yours that states otherwise, maybe even more because Im actually giving examples.
Here
I like Yoshi and co. Not necessarily because of the content they have produced (but some of that is undeniably great too) but because they're willing to talk, act and engage with the community and playerbase in a human manner. That and it's obvious that they care a lot of the product they make, even if they sometimes miss the mark. I don't simp for these guys, I just talk positively about them because they're likable, there's a difference.
It's nothing more than a breath of fresh air among the heavily corporatized red tape "Dear gamers" white text on black jpg bullshit that is the go-to standard now.
Ok so the worst part about pscing is Mid fetch quests? I can understand that, but its not been a week since release, perhaps if we dont play 10 hours a day the pacing might feel better?
>perhaps if we dont play 10 hours a day the pacing might feel better?
I play 2-3 hours, if even that and even I can tell the pacing goes full moron.
So you are 10-13 hours in? You havent reached Mid yet unless you are rushing
>perhaps if we dont play 10 hours a day the pacing might feel better?
I think honestly it'd have been improved if they made just more areas to travel and fight through, even if they were linear dungeons or sections like the forest early on. You really begin to notice enemy variety drying up and teleporting everywhere.
Mid's quests should be patched out of the game. In fact, just delete this useless character entirely.
Final Fantasy XVI: MID
How to get money fast? Unlike some of you I like collecting the orchestrion rolls but they're fricking expensive
Just play the game, do all the quests and money will come. Theres no "side activities" anyway
i read elsewhere that gav has feelings for clive but i may have entirely missed that. i don't see it. any thoughts?
Nah, it's typical rainbow echo chambers that can't fathom non-sexual male friendships.
I can't say so, it's more than likely people shipping them. To each their own, either way they have a good dynamic.
I like how the cover looks like a dumpster fire, a good indicator of the product within.
When do we get famitsu sales numbers chuds?
holy shit guys a Barry just flew over my house
I'm just posting to say I've not played and enjoyed a game for 10 hours straight in like 5 years until FFXVI came along and I have a PS5 and a PC.
I will play for another 10 tomorrow
That's honestly pretty sad
casuals
Touch some grass bro. Any longer than 3 hours is some unhealthy weirdo shit.
leave
Go back to redd!t homosexual
Its ok, as long as you take breakes, I stand up every 30-60 minutes, move around maybe do some quick stuff lile wash dishes, etc. Rest your eyes at least 10 minutes or so. Im 30 now, if I dont do this I feel like shit pretty quickly
Don't fricking suggest healthy long-term gaming habits here homosexual. KYS
The weird part is I've literally seen anti shills say they were playing for that many hours straight too and still end up hating. how the frick does that work
>*saves the Final Fantasy franchise in you're path*
magic = technology
eikons = nukes
blight = pollution
am i getting this right
Yes and no, I noticed that this shit is more a critique to Japan attachment to the "old ways" of the postWar era and how Elders keep power on hold due to tradition (crystals) and by punishing people for the way they were born (or when like the lost generation) and most of the conflict is that this way may have earned them short term wealth (Japanese bubble) but there isn't any point sticking to it, it needs to die so that the Japanese can find a way to recover their economy.
Anon please, it's just the usual Gnosticism flavored anti-Buddhism that is prevalent in Japanese cultural products for the past half century.
I know about the gods n shit, classical fanfare but Cid's argument about needing shit to change and grow it remembered me about an article about Japan's economic struggle that was almost word for word that scene about being tethered to the "crystal".
I need the OST already for the Bahamut and final boss themes.
I don't know yet. I'm about an hour into the demo and the voice acting is pretty good. Upset about no Japanese lip sync. But even in performance mode there are fps issues and the motion blur is pretty awful in either mode. Also the game of thrones influence is pretty fricking obvious and I'm not super interested in those types of settings. Doesn't feel very mystical.
Ok
>Upset about no Japanese lip sync.
yeah this is a bummer
>the motion blur is pretty awful
they promised to patch in an option to turn it off
>Also the game of thrones influence is pretty fricking obvious and I'm not super interested in those types of settings. Doesn't feel very mystical.
it has been said to death but the biggest influence isn't GoT, but Matsuno. play FFT and you'll see what i mean. the theatrical Shakespeare like presentation of the scenes, bigger than life characters driven by honor and shit, the focus on war and its atrocities. hell Matsuno games are sometimes even more heavy-handed than XVI in that regard. FFT has you taking part in a civilian massacre at the end of its first act
>FFT has you taking part in a civilian massacre at the end of its first act
That's tactics ogre and it was given as a choice
As long as this homosexual
is among the civilians, it's not even a choice.
>they promised to patch in an option to turn it off
well they haven't.
> but Matsuno
Nah not really. Matsuno stuff doesn't usually have nudity, homosexuality, cursing, or copious amounts of northern accents. Matsuno also doesn't make everything desaturated and gray.
You know there's nip media like Shigurui or Berserker?
>b-but devs mentioned GoT!
One of many influences, yes
>One of many influences
That's downplaying it a bit. They made all core members early on buy and watch 5 seasons of Game of Thrones blu-ray. That's not "one of many influences the game director had in his mind", that's "this is what we're chasing, everybody do your homework".
They didn't tell people to read Berserk, they told them to watch Game of Thrones.
Yes, I remember when Jon Snow turned into a winged hellbeast and fought a Demiurge while the voices of his friends were giving him faith.
You're very smart.
I've seen this exact comment multiple times in different places. It's essentially "Um, the plot actually has differences from the plot of Game of Thrones, you fricking moron!!!!!!" And it's so fricking gay. It's AoT meets GoT and it's worse than both.
>I've seen this exact comment multiple times in different places.
Probably because ti's common sense, which you don't seem to have.
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No that's the naruto influence. Even then GoTslop has mythical beasts and even people transforming in some manner.
>they didn't make nip devs consume nip media from the past 30 years all over again, but instead a western example of high fantasy they missed
>Shigurui
nothing to do with ff16
>Berserk
Also basically nothing to do with FF16. Dragon's Dogma is Berserk Aesthetics. FF16 is HBO shit where everything is gray and people wear black leather a lot.
Cid is literally played by an actor who was on GoT.
>Cid is literally played by an actor who was on GoT.
Most of Yoshida's voice actors are swiped from Game of Thrones.
(See: Shadowbringers)
>Matsuno doesn't have homosexuality
Vagrant Story is the gayest game ever made
Matsuno hinted at a possible a "sequel" already (picrel is from twitter thread asking people what they thought of the "Save The Queen" raid in XIV)
I fully believe he'd be down to do it, I just have less faith in Square allocating the necessary resources. Even worse: I fear they would want to start with a shitty remake.
>Matsuno quotes using '>'
does he use this site bros? have we been shitposting with Matsuno without knowing it?
Probably not this site, but I don't see why he wouldn't use japan's equivalent. You're not cancelled for being a nazi if people find out you post there.
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Kek, I nailed it, You're not even worth a (You)
Vagrant Story is such a masterpiece, bros... I still believe in a sequel. But I fear it'll become some generic Soulslike. Not that it would be a bad fit, if I'm being honest, but the original is a lot more unique.
Isn't the main character's name Ashley? Gayyyyyy
YOU'RE GAY FRICK YOU
Ashley Riot sounds like a trans porn star name. Just sayin
How do you know that, son...?
You'll never find out. I have a terrific poker face.
It's so tiresome to discuss with fans of this game, I don't understand what makes them so defensive. In Souls discussion nobody loses their shit when you point out the rather obvious influences each title had. On the contrary, people usually get interested and ask for recommendations so they can experience the "source material" themselves.
Soulsbros have had 7 games to cope with divisive changes, but those changes aren't so grand to have it jump gameplay genres.