>it's canon tunnelers destroyed vegas
Hahahahahahahahahaha
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Anyone thinking New Vegas was ever canon was delusional. The Fallout franchise always began with 3 in Bethesda's eyes.
1, 2, and NV are the only canon Fallout entries.
Not anymore. 3, 4, and 76 are the nu-canon and will remain that way under Bethesda and Microsoft.
The day Bethesda goes under will be marked as a holiday for gaming.
Tactics is also somewhat canon with Fallout 3, as Tactics is where the Brotherhood airships crossing from the West to East comes from.
Wtf is that face?
generations of inbreeding
Ugly artstyle
This drawing fricking sucks, stop posting it
sorry, can't hear you. Did you say "post it more"?
nobody said that
where did you even find this shit
What's wrong with her face?
just filter it
Unffff...
>tfw no loose tribal gf
The show pretty much references 1, 2, and NV more than it references 2 and 4 though.
The NCR and Shady Sands are centrally important to the plot. Mr House and the Master appear in it.
>the Master appears
when? I must have missed this
When the Vault Tech investors are all together, one of them talks about breeding a race of Super Mutants in his vault. Presumably that's meant to be the Master.
great, a new retcon that makes the lore more stupid
oh okay. so he doesn't appear.
What the frick, no. That's just some literal who evil capitalist who specifically wants to use "illegal immigrants" to breed super soldiers because it signifies to the audience that he's an evil capitalist. He also represents some company.
Richard Grey is just some guy who got exiled from Vault 8 and became a doctor in the Hub before becoming what we see in the game.
I want this to be true because it would be one of the stupidest things ever. It would be like if you're talking to a businessman and after a while, he gets up to leave. While leaving, someone then calls out "Leaving already, Mr. House?"
Because that's how stupid The Master appearing would be.
We can go stupider
Mr House is literally in the show.
But they don't include him purely as a reference and hide his identity until the end of the scene as a got'cha. They include him in a scene with retcons the biggest thing his character ever did so that he can say
>It's a fun idea, there's a lot of money to be made in the end of the world
and look vaguely skeptical or something when Vault-Tec suggests starting the Great War themselves So I don't know if that's better or worse.
>there's a lot of money to be made in the end of the world
This is such a fricking stupid line, I know investors and business israelites can be delusional but that's way too much of a stretch for him to even consider saying with a straight face.
don't worry it was definitely sarcastic even though the rest of the dialogue in the show is dog shit
Even if it's sarcastic it's implying that everyone else still believes it's a good idea which is moronic whichever way you try and put it.
look man their supposed to be evil capitalists what do you want. for them to be dipping puppies into vats of acid because they're not profitable enough? like the enclave?
>Nooo capitalism could never fail without the particular moral failure of a millionaire
Peak capitalist realism.
I hope you get acid thrown in your face.
Reminder that the showrunner a self admitted Fallout 3 fan who asked not only for the show to be canon but to blow up ]Shady Sands and Bethesda didn't give a shit either way.
This is also the game guy who fricked up Westworld Season 2 because the redditors figured out the plot twist ahead of time so he rewrote the entire second half of the season mid-production.
Nuking Shady Sands was the first thing those writers pitched to Todd. I hate Bethesda so much.
You can just tell this company doesn't give a shit about any lore consistency and just wants to shit out a product without considering if it clashes with any previously established fact. They'll say shit like Yes, it's all still canon 🙂 just to shut up the goy cattle and keep them happy while not really giving it a single thought.
It's a worthless waste of time to get yourself so invested in a universe that even the people in charge couldn't give less of a frick about. It reminds me of Warcraft/WOW fans
Worse for me isn't even NV, it's that they've taken the main overarching plot from
>Earth has been strip mined of resources and is worthless, the Vaults were never meant to save anyone, they were just an experiment designed to provide data for the real survival plan - sending people to colonize other planets after the world is destroyed
to
>duuuuuuude if we nuke ourselves we could make soooooo much money
wanting to destroy civilization to reshape it in your own image would indeed be very profitable, as money is just an extrapolation of power
The amount of people who lapped up Todd's damage control interview is pathetic
Just continue treating the show as it's own thing. Todd can show up in a few years and say "yeah it's not canon to the games". Boom and now it's not.
Look at the absolute shitshow the canon of Warcraft is. They change things all the time. Remember how stupid Med'an was to the lore? Everyone fricking hated him. Blizzard then later quietly said "oh yeah he's not canon anymore" and that was that. None of this matters except to show Bethesda doesn't give a shit about lore consistency like said.
Except Todd already said it's canon and went as far as doing a blatant damage control interview to cover Amazon's ass for the Shady Sands timeline. Technically he was covering Bethesda's ass as well, because they likely had someone consulting on the show. They've not only committed, they've doubled down.
>someone consulting on the show
Multiple people, including Todd. Nolan ran all lore through them to ensure consistency.
>line it up just right to render the entirety of FNV null and void in preparation for Fallout 6 in late 2046
Based Todd implementing the use of Dragon Breaks™ in their other franchises for wiping the slate clean.
And yet they missed Shady Sands being blown up 4 years before New Vegas
man, they did a really bad job at it, then
the autist in your picture is moronic, no not all of NV had to have happene within 2 months, it could have happened at any point within the next year since a) when people say things like "it was 15 years ago" they usually aren't being 100% accurate and even if he was, you don't know when his birthday is, so it could have been a few months in 2982. Second, npcs referencing Shady Sands in NV doesnt mean shit, people reference Rome without saying "the fall of Rome", usually the "fall" of a place is only labeled in retrospect and could have been a slow decline, more evident to those living there than those a whole state away. Even if the fall was rapid, we see how long it takes for information to spread in the wasteland, its just as possible the NV NPC didn't hear about it or that mentioning it wasn't relevent to whatever they were talking about.
It's the capital of the fricking NCR, moron
Does this mean you can't play New Vegas anymore or something?
No.
It means that nothing you do in NV matters anymore.
(It never did because Obsidian made it and not Bethesda. Bethesda was never going to respect the lore of a game that ended up being better than their own.)
I think you and I have very different ideas on what "matters" means in the context of playing a videogame.
Yes now stop playing New Vegas.
The writing was on the wall when fallout 4 released a decade ago.
In fact, the enduring message behind the New Vevas DLC stories should have clued you in that this was the end for your Fallout. It's time you let go of the past and began again.
total slop death
The greatest part about all of this is you can tell how bewildered and enraged the NMAgays and their groomed NVtrannies are that there's actual dissent from the circlejerk they've had over fallout discourse for the past 15 years. These guys are so moronic that they can't even put 2 and 2 together of why a supermarket full of hostile raiders they have to fight through hasn't been picked clean.
Why didn't the raiders eat everything?
Rationing. Now apply your reasoning to all the abandoned places in NVtroon land with stockpiles of resources? Why are there still star bottle caps lying around in places that have been picked clean?
>Rationing
For that long? With that many?
Yes. If your argument is going to literally be nitpicking the nutritional requirements of each raider per day then I've already won and you're just coping. The sharecropper farms wouldn't be enough to maintain Vegas, by the way.
>Yes.
But raiders aren't shown to be that nice, even to each other. Why didn't they kill each other over it?
Why do the raiders in any of the other games stick together?
There are a lot of terminals that show they don't really get along that well. 4 is filled with them.
So you didn't answer my question. Why don't the raiders in Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas just kill eachother? Why do people leave sunset sasaparilla bottle caps behind when even if they don't know the value of the star they know that it's a bottle cap worth money? Why is fallout 3 the only game where this level of scrutiny gets applied?
>1
"Raiders" are actually "raider gangs", who emerged from the remnants of Vault 15's inhabitants who decided not to leave the vault. The only gang you encounter is the Khans, although the Jackals and Vipers also emerged from Vault 15. The raider gangs maintain some sense of social cohesion because they're descended from the diverse Vault 15 population and have a shared interest in surviving. They raid Shady Sands.
>2
The New Khans don't kill each other because Garl's son relied on mercenaries to rebuild the Khans into an anti-NCR gang. They have shelter (Vault 15) and food and water from raiding caravans in NCR territory. They are an actual settlement, just not a self-sufficient one. The other "raiders" in Fallout 2 are also mercenaries working for another person. They all have a shared interest in surviving.
>NV
The Great Khans are an established community with its own history and culture. The Jackals and Vipers prey on trade and local communities to sustain themselves. There's also some smaller gang that no one gives a shit about. The fiends have no reason to turn on each other considering there's a steady supply of NCR troopers and Westside locals to harass and kill.
You're using 3's moronic baseline of all raiders being "raiders" - violent psychopaths who live in burned-out buildings surrounded by tortured remains for no reason - as justification for these other groups not acting like lunatics for no reason.
So who says the Super Duper Mart doesn't have a social cohesion? Did they need to have an official gang logo for the environmental storytelling to be spoonfed to you?
>So who says the Super Duper Mart doesn't have a social cohesion
The dead bodies everywhere?
The ones outside who aggro anything they see and do not respawn?
Dead bodies aggro things now?
>non-respawning
And the NVtroony is officially out of copes LOL
Do you understand the point is about the dead bodies used as decorations? Because it seems like you don't.
>Two Nuka-Cola vending machines are against the wall of the store between the entrances, along with a pair of non-respawning raiders who engage in combat with anything they detect.
Now have a nice day.
You seem to not even understand anything being talked about.
The more I argued with the NVtrannies, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid.
All I'm seeing is you being really hooked on your imagined enemy and not understanding anything because of it.
One could say you're blinded by your memes.
I accept your concession.
>more memes
Proving me right
>i might have been a coping nitpicking moron but you used memes therefore i win!!!
Clearly you don't play these games at all and are just a secondary trying to nitpick "worldbuilding"
Clearly you still don't understand.
I like new vegas because its the cowboy fallout what now Black person
You are talking to a guy whose answer for why the Super Duper Mart still has food is that the raiders just rationed everything really really carefully for 200 years. He is not acting in good faith.
>for 200 years
Megaton was founded in 2241, and Moira states that nobody has been out to the mart for "a while." You morons deliberately misinterpret the game to fit the narrative of that original gaslighting simpsons pic, pathetic.
>So you didn't answer my question
Why would I? I have nothing to do with your moron squabble.
good thing there's not a questline where one of the outcomes is new vegas losing its supply of brahmin meat
NMA is so jaded they don't even care anymore. The people seething are all discord mods and exiled redditors
>Shady Sands? What's that? I did chess club idk man just blow it up or something
sasuga, todd...
No it isn't.
Source: Me.
Cry about it.
It's canon in the bible that Todd called Ganker a pack of rollaids too but you don't see me making threads about it.
Nothing makes devs seethe harder than when outsiders come in and make a side game that the fans consider best in the series. They will do whatever they can to delete it from canon.
Somtaaw are in HW3 tho.
tunnellers are moronic and make no real sense
only the queens and hulking dudes are anything worth mentioning and they still die to 5.56 like everything else
>squad of tunnellers show up
>lol whatever
>irradiated deathclaw and friend one shot my by hitting me at the same time, with med-x and the heaviest armor in the game
>cry and abuse all my drugs as much as possible and try to line them up so they can't 1 shot me in vats, can finally block an attack while losing 2/3rds of my HP
thankfully i wasn't playing hardcore but holy frick tunnellers are a joke, literally just need some turbo and they are done
>NV references 3, 2 and 1 with respect and subtlety
>Bethesda just shits all over the canon with every new entry
I mean I don't give two shits but I still find it funny, they probably aren't even doing it on purpose they just don't care
You're not wrong. Why should they care when they're the ones in charge of making anything new? No one's going to come along and show them how to properly do it again
Todd Howard is the Vince Russo of video games.
Just play ATOM, it's better than Fallout anyway and the devs actually give a shit about consistency and worldbuilding.
FACT: Fallout 1, 2, Tactics (kinda), 3, NV, 4 and 76 are the ONLY canon Fallout games. It's true.
What games have world building similar to 1, 2 and NV?
Any other games with sort of interesting politics like FNV?
>the Tremors won
absolutely based. The Tunnelers and the Cazadors gave you a glimpse of why the Wasteland was REALLY fricking dangerous
Tremors are scrubs, it's the Ass-Blasters you need to watch out for.
>tunnelers are weak to flashing lights
>...and they're going to destroy vegas
upgrading the substation will fend them off. vegas will rise Gankerros...
or get the madre hologram tech
Why wouldn't it just be a gradual degradation
Why does this moron assumed they went IMMEDIATELY from the NCR we see in New Vegas to the NCR we see at the end of the show
If you get the frick nuked out of you how is it so far fetched that they'd end up how they're portrayed in the show?
Why are people looking so deep into this games lore anyway? I think the stories are better left to there own individual merit and they're not met to coincide much, and Fallouts writing has never been that impressive in the first place
Besides canon means nothing with the range of choices you make to effect the outcome in the games, how is the show gonna account for that shit.
Changing established lore to tell a better story in a new installment is one thing if the writers are strong (not Bethesda). In this case it feels like their taint infecting something previously enjoyable.
morons act like canon is an objective thing. It's not, it's fiction. You should be arguing about objective things like history and science. It's useless to argue about subjective topics.
Crying about lore should get you placed in an interment camp. It really is selfish entitlement to a clownish degree. Nobody gives a frick. People are dying on the streets and you’re dilating an infected wound about how buttfrustrated you are about the direction the ratio of debris in a fictional setting is taking. You really should all be sent to fight in wars. The very idea that some autistic nerd homosexual is winding up his “Yeah let’s not care about quality I guess, *snort* *pushes up glasses*” arguments in response to this post is even more putrid. Never think about this franchise again or be cursed. There, I said it. Maybe some of you homosexuals are the suspicious type. Shoo. Get the frick out of here you smelly homosexuals.
Grim
Did the show actually use some of the material from that old Fallout movie concept that's been floating around for decades? I might watch it if that's the case. I always thought it sounded interesting.
If we squint hard enough, you could argue the only canon ending for New Vegas is basically Courier speed running yes man route, with the worst possible outcomes for the Mojave wasteland and its people, since New Vegas appears empty and dead.
Then Shady Sands and the NCR central government are wiped out by the nuke at very late 2281 or very early 82 at most.
This leaves a 5 year realistic gap for the NCR to crumble on its other regions and creating factions that no longer follow the NCR banner since its government is gone.
After this full collapse in 5 years after the destruction of Shady Sands, then we have some health 10 years for the NCR to become a memory, basically.
Also, some people speculate that the shows adds 2277 as "the fall of Shady Sands" most likely because the remnants of the NCR see the invasions to the Mojave as the straw that broke the camels back and left the NCR weak.
But MY courier DIDNT DO THAT.
No worries, mine will
isn't the principle of fricking over west coast lore more important than the accuracy of the timeline by which it occured
Yes, but people get bogged down in the details because it's "proof"
The conversation should really just end at "They set the story in LA for no reason and moved Shady Sands hundreds of miles"
Todd can't even fricking canonize his own stand alone game Starfield.
That article doesn’t say anything just that they’re being cryptic