Designs are meant to be functional and sleek first and foremost. One of the best designs in DBZ, which is a story known mainly for it's visual qualities, is just Vegeta with an M on his forehead and no armor.
Trying to push the envelope doesn't justify an ugly design. It doesn't benefit anyone either, if you wanna experiment, maybe focus on the fricking game itself and not on making ugly monsters when the whole point of the franchise is having cool, marketable creatures to play around with.
>One of the best designs in DBZ, which is a story known mainly for it's visual qualities, is just Vegeta with an M on his forehead and no armor.
majin vegeta is a dogshit design >Trying to push the envelope doesn't justify an ugly design.
Like most of the gen 1 pokemon, especially Venusaur. >maybe focus on the fricking game itself and not on making ugly monsters when the whole point of the franchise is having cool, marketable creatures to play around with.
Digimon's designs have always been better, and they're what you'd call "ugly".
>and they're what you'd call "ugly".
No, because they have cool designs, not gay troony designs. You seem to have a problem conceptualizing this difference, probably because you chopped your dick off.
>Digimon's designs have always been better
Your opinion has automatically become invalid. The reason why Pokémon took off and Digimon didn't is that the first actually has memorable, visually-pleasing design, while the latter is ugly overdesigned garbage that looks like it came out of a knock off chinese game.
No, the reason is that Pokemon had more consistent and accessible game design and it was shilled like the second coming of Jesus by Nintendo. Zoomies weren't there for the relentless marketing blitz, which Digimon did not receive.
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Anonymous
90% of pokémon's popularity is due to the creature design and the whole social gimmick. The development process of Pokemon Red and Green was full of financial difficulties, bad programming, and baffling game design and it was thought the games would fail. It was only shilled later
>Your opinion has automatically become invalid.
Malding moron. >The reason why Pokémon took off and Digimon didn't is
Because pokemon had nintendo's marketing behind it and Bandai didn't give a frick and still don't. >the first actually has memorable, visually-pleasing design
Greymon, agumon, garurumon, angemon, all more iconic than 90% of the gen 1 dex. 90% of gen 1's dex is fugly shitmons, and the sprites in the game were not only off model but somehow even fricking worse. >overdesigned
and now your opinion is invalidated, because you're using a meaningless buzzword. Also, digimon came first homosexual.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I took a look at the designs you mentioned and they were all ugly garbage
>majin vegeta is a dogshit design
It's popularity and constant appearances in videogames prove you wrong. But there's also Frieza, who follows a similar design philosophy. Go ahead and call Frieza dogshit, and two things will happen: 1. You'll prove that you're a bullshitter. 2. I will respond with yet another design that is iconic, beloved and follows the exact same philosophy.
>Like most of the gen 1 pokemon
You're contradicting yourself.
>Digimon's designs have always been better
Digimon's designs don't even stray from the formula I explained though. The ones that do are very niche and appreciated for their ideas rather than their looks. But even the crazier digimon don't stray from your typical legendary pokemon design pre-gen 5
>It's popularity and constant appearances in videogames prove you wrong.
It shows up because it's a plot point and Vegeta doesn't get SS3 except in shit like super heroes you moron. Also, appeal to popularity is a fallacy. >But there's also Frieza, who follows a similar design philosophy
he has 3 forms that are exactly what you'd call "overdesigned" before his final form, and even then he's got golden now which is also what you would call "overdesigned". Freiza is also not even the best DB villain design, that goes to cell. Freiza only comes back because he's the first villain from DBZ. >You're contradicting yourself.
Gen 1's designs are almost exclusively dogshit except a select few like charizard, mewtwo, and the nidos. >Digimon's designs don't even stray from the formula I explained though
They absolutely do and are cooler, more marketable monsters than anything pokemon could ever produce. Almost every single one is a banger, even the ones that are meant to be literal failures like numemon are far more iconic than anything from the gen 1 dex of pokemon. >But even the crazier digimon don't stray from your typical legendary pokemon design pre-gen 5
Is a lie you tell yourself.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>appeal to popularity is a fallacy
It's perfectly valid when discussing the appeal of a character design or some other visual quality in a story. If you believe there's a different, better way to measure the quality of a design then go ahead and explain it, as well as argue why it's more valid. If it's some bullshit about "muh creativity!!" and other abstract shit that doesn't directly factor into visual appeal, then you're missing the whole point of what character design is supposed to be. >It shows up because it's a plot point
It shows up in games where Super Buu, Adult Gohan, etc, aren't included. So you're wrong. The driving force behind a fighting game's success also lies in the quality of the character designs, because you want casuals to play. So they will always pick the best looking characters if they can't just include them all. And lots of people, who were introduced to DBZ through the games, liked Majin Vegeta despite the complete lack of context.
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3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>he has 3 forms
Notice i specifically posted a picture of his fourth form because his previous forms are mediocre and only exist to enhance the impact of his final form. It's almost as if Toriyama was directly speaking at the audience and telling them the exact same shit im telling you right now. >Freiza is also not even the best DB villain design, that goes to cell
So i'm wrong about Frieza being the best design. The best design is ACTUALLY a rehash of Frieza lmao. >They absolutely do and are cooler, because i say so
Compelling. >more marketable monsters
Someone show this homie some maket statistics
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>no response
Guess i win another argument.
>yeah bro take a look a this ICONIC design, Cooler than the kanto dex btw, it's TOTALLY NOT an overdesigned ai generated-looking clusterfrick of elements the designers thought looked cool in a schizophrenic episode. Heh it must be... le nintendo shilling's fault! That's why my ugly chinese knock off designs didn't take off, yeah that must be it!!!
The guy actually believes overdesigned is a good thing, so the way to make him seethe is by posting digimon that are actually popular, and proving how simple they really are in comparison to the bloated, irrelevant, weird ass digimon and pokemon that he jerks off to on the daily. As usual, simple gen 1 inspired designs >>>>> modern pokemon
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>he has 3 forms
Notice i specifically posted a picture of his fourth form because his previous forms are mediocre and only exist to enhance the impact of his final form. It's almost as if Toriyama was directly speaking at the audience and telling them the exact same shit im telling you right now. >Freiza is also not even the best DB villain design, that goes to cell
So i'm wrong about Frieza being the best design. The best design is ACTUALLY a rehash of Frieza lmao. >They absolutely do and are cooler, because i say so
Compelling. >more marketable monsters
Someone show this homie some maket statistics
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For all the nostalgia pandering GF is accused of, its strange that they haven’t tried to create a new game with the retro artstyle yet. Someone pointed out in another thread that a lot of frickugly new Mons look passable or even good in GBA pixel art.
Or they could HIRE THIS MAN and get someone to ape Sugimori’s OG watercolor art in 3D, like with those “test demo” videos that keep floating around. It’d be kino
>its strange that they haven’t tried to create a new game with the retro artstyle yet.
Because that isn't actually appealing to the primary demographic the Pokemon truly and only cares about: The current generation of Japanese Children.
The bonus sales from nostalgia pandering are always a bonus, but the main market has ALWAYS been nip kids who, as a result of being smartphone toddlers, need things to be as neon bright and extravagant as possible to grab their attention so they can scream to mommy and daddy to buy the newest Pokemon thing.
The more subdued colors of old won't cut it in that regard, it'd just make Pokemon seem like a franchise for "old fogies" which is exactly what happened in the early 2010's to allow Yo-Kai Watch to temporarily boom in popularity in Japan.
>yeah bro take a look a this ICONIC design, Cooler than the kanto dex btw, it's TOTALLY NOT an overdesigned ai generated-looking clusterfrick of elements the designers thought looked cool in a schizophrenic episode. Heh it must be... le nintendo shilling's fault! That's why my ugly chinese knock off designs didn't take off, yeah that must be it!!!
>balding clown crocodile with random coloured shapes all over its body
nothing being made these days can be taken seriously. Designers are fricked in the head now
nostalgia is the only thing that might get me to like Quaquaval to be honest. If it was a first gen mon, maybe it would have art that makes it try to look tough and give me a way better first impression
Yes, venasaur looks worse.
Yes, First Partner Pokémon peaked in Gen 1, and it's been downhill ever since
What’s a “first partner Pokémon”?
Starter
BlackRock troons will pretend that Gen1 is boomer core and right is more creative
they would be right
the majority of gen 1 pokemon are cartoon animals and nothing more
Kys, furtroon
I'm not trans
Designs are meant to be functional and sleek first and foremost. One of the best designs in DBZ, which is a story known mainly for it's visual qualities, is just Vegeta with an M on his forehead and no armor.
Trying to push the envelope doesn't justify an ugly design. It doesn't benefit anyone either, if you wanna experiment, maybe focus on the fricking game itself and not on making ugly monsters when the whole point of the franchise is having cool, marketable creatures to play around with.
>One of the best designs in DBZ, which is a story known mainly for it's visual qualities, is just Vegeta with an M on his forehead and no armor.
majin vegeta is a dogshit design
>Trying to push the envelope doesn't justify an ugly design.
Like most of the gen 1 pokemon, especially Venusaur.
>maybe focus on the fricking game itself and not on making ugly monsters when the whole point of the franchise is having cool, marketable creatures to play around with.
Digimon's designs have always been better, and they're what you'd call "ugly".
>and they're what you'd call "ugly".
No, because they have cool designs, not gay troony designs. You seem to have a problem conceptualizing this difference, probably because you chopped your dick off.
>Digimon's designs have always been better
Your opinion has automatically become invalid. The reason why Pokémon took off and Digimon didn't is that the first actually has memorable, visually-pleasing design, while the latter is ugly overdesigned garbage that looks like it came out of a knock off chinese game.
No, the reason is that Pokemon had more consistent and accessible game design and it was shilled like the second coming of Jesus by Nintendo. Zoomies weren't there for the relentless marketing blitz, which Digimon did not receive.
90% of pokémon's popularity is due to the creature design and the whole social gimmick. The development process of Pokemon Red and Green was full of financial difficulties, bad programming, and baffling game design and it was thought the games would fail. It was only shilled later
>Your opinion has automatically become invalid.
Malding moron.
>The reason why Pokémon took off and Digimon didn't is
Because pokemon had nintendo's marketing behind it and Bandai didn't give a frick and still don't.
>the first actually has memorable, visually-pleasing design
Greymon, agumon, garurumon, angemon, all more iconic than 90% of the gen 1 dex. 90% of gen 1's dex is fugly shitmons, and the sprites in the game were not only off model but somehow even fricking worse.
>overdesigned
and now your opinion is invalidated, because you're using a meaningless buzzword. Also, digimon came first homosexual.
I took a look at the designs you mentioned and they were all ugly garbage
>majin vegeta is a dogshit design
It's popularity and constant appearances in videogames prove you wrong. But there's also Frieza, who follows a similar design philosophy. Go ahead and call Frieza dogshit, and two things will happen: 1. You'll prove that you're a bullshitter. 2. I will respond with yet another design that is iconic, beloved and follows the exact same philosophy.
>Like most of the gen 1 pokemon
You're contradicting yourself.
>Digimon's designs have always been better
Digimon's designs don't even stray from the formula I explained though. The ones that do are very niche and appreciated for their ideas rather than their looks. But even the crazier digimon don't stray from your typical legendary pokemon design pre-gen 5
Also, Digimon designs are WAY cleaner and cooler than this gay looking duck
could ever be
>It's popularity and constant appearances in videogames prove you wrong.
It shows up because it's a plot point and Vegeta doesn't get SS3 except in shit like super heroes you moron. Also, appeal to popularity is a fallacy.
>But there's also Frieza, who follows a similar design philosophy
he has 3 forms that are exactly what you'd call "overdesigned" before his final form, and even then he's got golden now which is also what you would call "overdesigned". Freiza is also not even the best DB villain design, that goes to cell. Freiza only comes back because he's the first villain from DBZ.
>You're contradicting yourself.
Gen 1's designs are almost exclusively dogshit except a select few like charizard, mewtwo, and the nidos.
>Digimon's designs don't even stray from the formula I explained though
They absolutely do and are cooler, more marketable monsters than anything pokemon could ever produce. Almost every single one is a banger, even the ones that are meant to be literal failures like numemon are far more iconic than anything from the gen 1 dex of pokemon.
>But even the crazier digimon don't stray from your typical legendary pokemon design pre-gen 5
Is a lie you tell yourself.
>appeal to popularity is a fallacy
It's perfectly valid when discussing the appeal of a character design or some other visual quality in a story. If you believe there's a different, better way to measure the quality of a design then go ahead and explain it, as well as argue why it's more valid. If it's some bullshit about "muh creativity!!" and other abstract shit that doesn't directly factor into visual appeal, then you're missing the whole point of what character design is supposed to be.
>It shows up because it's a plot point
It shows up in games where Super Buu, Adult Gohan, etc, aren't included. So you're wrong. The driving force behind a fighting game's success also lies in the quality of the character designs, because you want casuals to play. So they will always pick the best looking characters if they can't just include them all. And lots of people, who were introduced to DBZ through the games, liked Majin Vegeta despite the complete lack of context.
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>no response
Guess i win another argument.
The guy actually believes overdesigned is a good thing, so the way to make him seethe is by posting digimon that are actually popular, and proving how simple they really are in comparison to the bloated, irrelevant, weird ass digimon and pokemon that he jerks off to on the daily. As usual, simple gen 1 inspired designs >>>>> modern pokemon
>he has 3 forms
Notice i specifically posted a picture of his fourth form because his previous forms are mediocre and only exist to enhance the impact of his final form. It's almost as if Toriyama was directly speaking at the audience and telling them the exact same shit im telling you right now.
>Freiza is also not even the best DB villain design, that goes to cell
So i'm wrong about Frieza being the best design. The best design is ACTUALLY a rehash of Frieza lmao.
>They absolutely do and are cooler, because i say so
Compelling.
>more marketable monsters
Someone show this homie some maket statistics
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>th-they're just cartoon animals!
Yes, and that's a good thing.
Speak english
For all the nostalgia pandering GF is accused of, its strange that they haven’t tried to create a new game with the retro artstyle yet. Someone pointed out in another thread that a lot of frickugly new Mons look passable or even good in GBA pixel art.
Or they could HIRE THIS MAN and get someone to ape Sugimori’s OG watercolor art in 3D, like with those “test demo” videos that keep floating around. It’d be kino
Quaquaval has more thought put into his design than any of those generic cartoon animals.
That looks like shit.
Not good thoughts.
>Quaquaval has more thought put into his design
that doesn't make it good.
>Quaquaval has more thought put into his design
Overthinking is a bad thing, anon.
You look like shit homosexual
>its strange that they haven’t tried to create a new game with the retro artstyle yet.
Because that isn't actually appealing to the primary demographic the Pokemon truly and only cares about: The current generation of Japanese Children.
The bonus sales from nostalgia pandering are always a bonus, but the main market has ALWAYS been nip kids who, as a result of being smartphone toddlers, need things to be as neon bright and extravagant as possible to grab their attention so they can scream to mommy and daddy to buy the newest Pokemon thing.
The more subdued colors of old won't cut it in that regard, it'd just make Pokemon seem like a franchise for "old fogies" which is exactly what happened in the early 2010's to allow Yo-Kai Watch to temporarily boom in popularity in Japan.
the best image ive seen debunking the nostalgia meme
FPWP
>Verification not required.
Gay "dragon" vs gay bird
SHIT! Wrong order. But seriously, why are the new water starters either gay twinks are troons?
Bingtendo wanted one of the starters to be the designated girl one, for girls.
Why are you so obsessed with trannies?
Gens III and IV had the better starters anyway
>Gen 1 = Gen 3 > Gen 4 > Gen 2 >> Gen 5 > never played the rest
>yeah bro take a look a this ICONIC design, Cooler than the kanto dex btw, it's TOTALLY NOT an overdesigned ai generated-looking clusterfrick of elements the designers thought looked cool in a schizophrenic episode. Heh it must be... le nintendo shilling's fault! That's why my ugly chinese knock off designs didn't take off, yeah that must be it!!!
Stop typing while you're shitting your pants in anger
Nothing changed, you just grew up
Ok, but Sceptile becomes 300% better thanks to gen 6 and gigamax inteleon has a literal rifle.
Basic sceptile has 2 leaves on the wrists.
As much as I dislike the furry pandering, new starters are generally immensely more monstruous
>Generic cartoon animalsgay are obsessed with trannies
Many such cases
Quaquaval fricks. It's a battle peawiener with water blades.
t. boomer who started with gen1
Yeah, it is
homosexual imbecile
>balding clown crocodile with random coloured shapes all over its body
nothing being made these days can be taken seriously. Designers are fricked in the head now
>he's samegayging
And also these mostly shine thanks to new games, especially Venusaur which was questionably ugly and boring
These are extremely more masculine than that. And they count as gen 8 mons, btw.
after gen 2 they started overdesigning pokemon and starters were hit the hardest
>Kanto starters need to gang up together just to beat one recent starter
Kanto is pathetic.
nostalgia is the only thing that might get me to like Quaquaval to be honest. If it was a first gen mon, maybe it would have art that makes it try to look tough and give me a way better first impression
Greninja, Chesnaught and Rillaboom are the only good 3D starters.
everything else is pure garbage