>go to jail for 20+ years for defending yourself against a raging psychopath trying to murder you with a baseball bat >fat ugly prostitute sits there filming with her phone and think that gives her the right to dump her trash on your lawn and have her psychotic boyfriend threatening to murder you
Sandwiching your complaint or critique between constant praise will just give the Game Dev the idea that your complaint is meaningless because you still liked the product to a considerable degree despite your complaint.
You don't have to bring up what they did right. Because if they did it right. You wouldn't complain about it.
When you’re older, you’ll understand that people are more willing to capitulate to your complaints when they know you’re not a fricking misery-guts who only lives to complain
>When you're older
Shut the frick up. If they don't want to 'capitulate' or even consider the argument, then they deserve to crash when no one wants their unpolished shit.
Why do developers think they're MY friends?
I'm not going to fricking praise you for something I paid money for. If the product is subpar you bet I'll complain.
It's cause a lot of onion boys get into it with a rock star mentality, expecting to be treated like Toby Fox for doing the bare minimum of shit. And of course then you have morons like David Jaffe who adopt the mentality later or one reason or another
Hi dev! Your game is amazing, best thing ever! That said it crashes at start up so I can't actually play it. I gave your game a 5-star review and would give you a handjob if I saw you IRL. Hugs and kisses!
Never understood this thought process.
You can dish your critique without being an butthole, but also without positive embellishment. I'm not responsible for the recipient throwing tantrums over not being told they're a good boy.
>Compliment sandwich
Is only useful if personally talking with someone and wanting to preserve their fragile feelings. I will tell you what I think of your game as I think up the ideas or if writing will order them to better organize the good and the bad as they relate to other subjects.
>skirt around criticism for the sake of muh feelings
frick that shit, if I ever release my game and someone gave a shit about it enough to say it's shit, I will take that as a means to improve. an unfiltered opinion is 10x more valuable than this corpo bullshit because of the fact that the person took time not only say it's shit, but WHY it's shit.
The problem with that mentality is complaining is the easiest thing in the world. Look no further than Ganker, the “Complain about games you’ve never played” Capital of the world.
Compliments, by which I mean genuine compliments, not mindless dickriding, actually prove that the person making the complaint has actually thought about the game you made, and are therefore far more worthy of consideration than the butthole who does nothing but b***h.
>t. moron who has never made something for the public in his life
There's a shit ton of bad critics out there. If a dev went around tweaking everything on account of morons like you, they would make a terrible game and you wouldn't play it anyway.
Seriously, artists ruin themselves by taking every critique to heart and trying to please everyone
>How to critique anything to actually elicit change >1. Explain why you bought the thing >2. Explain how the thing does not fulfill what was brought up in part 1 >3. Call the homosexual on the receiving end, a Black person homosexual and a thief
fix'd
1. Dirty kuffar, to me you are but a dog, but i have been forced to speak to you because of this abomination you just made
2. Your game is an insult to everything beautiful Allah has brought upon this earth
3. I can only hope you find repentance once i behead you and your breathen inshallah
This board is shit
I wish I could press a button and delete everyone who’s posted here in the last 10 years
Thank you for this thread Ganker
Did I do it right?
1. Thank you for making a new Zelda game, Nintendo! It looks great!
2. Too bad it's OPEN WORLD SLOP UBISHIT TRASH NO-CONTENT COPYPASTE COPYPASTE COPYPASTE FORCED SOUL NUZELDA AND MY CHILDHOOD IS FOREVER RUINED
3. I bought it though and hope you make good Zelda games in the future! Farewell Aonuma san <3
You should be more angry at the 30M people who brought BotW and the 10M people who bought TotK than Nintendo. You're never getting a big budget traditional entry again. At best they'll keep remaking their back catalogue to coast on nostalgia.
I'm not going to be screaming and flinging poop at devs when their game has issues, but I also don't see a reason to sugarcoat my message. We're not friends, peers, co-workers or anything. If they're going to treat me as a beta tester for their buggy release then I'm going to write a fricking bug report, not a love letter.
How a man takes feedback >receive criticism >reconsider based off feedback, or ignore the complaint if it was fukken moronic
How women take "feedback" >uhm, sweaty, i'm not going to listen if you're toxic kay? >uuuuuuhm i hear you? even though you're wrong and i'm right. >PRAISE ME! YAAAAS KWEEN!
Yeah no. Criticism being sugar coated is like something you tell a third grader to do when writing his report. The real world is gonna kick you in the dick and spit on you while your in pain
This has to be some indieslop dev, because in a """real""" dev environment you are treated like a plantation Black person by the likes of QA, ui/ux, devops people, sysadmins, and project managers
>I really like your starting menu >the game is entirely fricking nonfunctional how did you even release it in this state go frick yourself >the crash report page is easy and functional
I dont compliment them. I jump straight to what they did wrong then tell them how to fix it or what they could do better.
then I will talk about some things that I enjoyed at the end.
Like did anyone notice in Street Fighter 6 how just confusing and ridiculous the Matchmaking options are or how complicated it is to 1v1 a person on your friends list?
World Tour Mode was a fun little experience. I like the modernization changes that they did with the game overall. Graphics are great and the online is smooth enough with rollback. theres like 3 good songs in the entire soundtrack though and navigating the menus is like navigating a maze. I dont even get the point of sitting in the Battlegrounds Second-Life room when you can just sit in training mode.
I wouldn't trust someone who hits me with the compliment sandwich. You know they've spent too much time dealing with HR and are just trying to finesse you.
No, I will not dilute my honest criticism with unnecessary compliments. I will compliment something when it deserves a compliment and give harsh critique to it when it severely lacks something. If someone doesn't like this honest approach to life then they can eat a bag of dicks.
Needless compliments are only good for marketing (which I loathe), instead of these "compliments" just give constructive critisicm.
No, this is called pandering and respecting of persons.
Nobody has to do this. Moderators literally take away your freedom of speech due to deceptions like this, enjoy your heavily moderated sterilized lifestyle in fortnite with what is called Whitey Atmosphere.
America is based on truth and masculinity of men doing and saying the right things. Worshiping the israelite is basically only if you have to bend over for them. The place you are in isn't worth being in if it's all there is.
It's amazing that you thought this would sell.
This is literally the worst thing I have ever seen, with no redeeming qualities.
You've very brave for releasing this.
As long as what you say is constructive criticism/suggest
There's no reason to sugarcoat it nor there's any reason to just outright pour insults
Compare :
- this inventory fricking sucks
- it is too difficult to move items around; you shouldn't be required to double click an item and then double click where you want it move
Instead, drag and drop would be much easier
>"I bought your game and suggested it to all my friends, despite the issues, therefor that issue is not big enough to prevent me from buying it, thus you don't need to spend time adding it in
when people critique my games and demos, it's usually just all positivity and one tiny small criticism or mostly criticism and a small positive thing
I think it's mostly like a 'critic' would view it versus a regular consumer.
>It's very nice that the game shit the bed fast enough so you can still fit into the refund window. >Seriously you're asking $70 for this crap, what the frick dude. >I can only hope you will find Jesus or end your own life in peace.
Maybe you're right.
This is kind of a leftoid talking point but no, you do not need to present an alternative to offer criticism. You are not a professional game designer. They are.
>Hey the font you used is pretty nice! >the game is a nonfunctional mess of bugs and crashes with poorly thought out gameplay and disgusting visuals 🙂 >I told all my friends about your game
It's pretty fricking rich for frankfurt school critical theory enjoyer leftoids to suddenly revert to saying that you need to offer constructive alternatives to criticize corporate products.
>fullscreen not already an option
Any new game that's released and doesn't have something as basic as fullscreen I can already tell you is a fricking trash game. Hell even shitty RPG Maker eroges have fullscreen by default.
>Hey bro, thanks for making your game so short it can easily be refunded >I regret even the short time i spent playing it though >Don't let this complete failure discourage you, better luck next time
Am i doing it right?
What if there's nothing good about the game?
Then it’s not a game made by people who care about it, and wasting any words on it, positive or negative, will be wasted breath
Who eats a burger like that?
too big
Your hole will adjust to the girth.
sounds painful
This has to be a fetish thing
that burger has a decent ass
shut up pussy
>go to jail for 20+ years for defending yourself against a raging psychopath trying to murder you with a baseball bat
>fat ugly prostitute sits there filming with her phone and think that gives her the right to dump her trash on your lawn and have her psychotic boyfriend threatening to murder you
Weirdly enough the son, who did the actual shooting, was found not guilty and released.
How to critique your fanbase
>Thanks for buying and playing the game
>Could you be slightly less racist?
>Thanks for for all the reviews and wishlists
Sandwiching your complaint or critique between constant praise will just give the Game Dev the idea that your complaint is meaningless because you still liked the product to a considerable degree despite your complaint.
You don't have to bring up what they did right. Because if they did it right. You wouldn't complain about it.
When you’re older, you’ll understand that people are more willing to capitulate to your complaints when they know you’re not a fricking misery-guts who only lives to complain
When you are older you'll understand that they won't listen to your complaint in any capacity unless it threatens their livelihood or bottom line.
>When you're older
Shut the frick up. If they don't want to 'capitulate' or even consider the argument, then they deserve to crash when no one wants their unpolished shit.
>Lie
>Critique
>Lie
>American analogy
If you don't include a fullscreen option in your game you deserve to be bullied.
What you do with libtard developers is harass them the frick out of the industry
you shouldn't have to do this when talking to adults
Gamedevs are barely human, let alone adults.
>when talking to adults
Implying
what about a doubledown sort of compliment sandwhich
>a complaint
>something minor you liked
>a complaint
>compliment sandwich
THAT'S A FRICKING BURGER moron
>It's nice you game exist
>I hope you commit suicide
>Your game exist
Like a fine sandwich
Why do developers think they're MY friends?
I'm not going to fricking praise you for something I paid money for. If the product is subpar you bet I'll complain.
It's cause a lot of onion boys get into it with a rock star mentality, expecting to be treated like Toby Fox for doing the bare minimum of shit. And of course then you have morons like David Jaffe who adopt the mentality later or one reason or another
It's true, I gave up my humanity long ago
If the product is subpar why did you pay money for it to begin with?
>food analogy
>food analogy
>food analogy
Safe insulting
>food analogy
Hi dev! Your game is amazing, best thing ever! That said it crashes at start up so I can't actually play it. I gave your game a 5-star review and would give you a handjob if I saw you IRL. Hugs and kisses!
I don't pay for games so if it's shit I simply uninstall it and download something else.
>how to critique
>>>
bring up critique
So the entire point is to say good things in your 'critique'?
>Soul Eater poster can't read
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
SEX
Your mom's butthole is tight
have a nice day
Your dad's too
Those guys will never survive working a real job
Never understood this thought process.
You can dish your critique without being an butthole, but also without positive embellishment. I'm not responsible for the recipient throwing tantrums over not being told they're a good boy.
>I like the intro theme
>your core mechanics are unplayable dogshit
>the UI is nice
>food analogy
>have a nice day Black person
>imagine being so fat computers food
Big if large
>nice water
>could have more water
>amazing water in this game
Whoever made this is so disgustingly disingenuous that I can physically feel the bitterness dripping out of this image.
>Compliment sandwich
Is only useful if personally talking with someone and wanting to preserve their fragile feelings. I will tell you what I think of your game as I think up the ideas or if writing will order them to better organize the good and the bad as they relate to other subjects.
1 HEY Black person
2 your game fricking sucks
3 hope you die
how was that?
>skirt around criticism for the sake of muh feelings
frick that shit, if I ever release my game and someone gave a shit about it enough to say it's shit, I will take that as a means to improve. an unfiltered opinion is 10x more valuable than this corpo bullshit because of the fact that the person took time not only say it's shit, but WHY it's shit.
The problem with that mentality is complaining is the easiest thing in the world. Look no further than Ganker, the “Complain about games you’ve never played” Capital of the world.
Compliments, by which I mean genuine compliments, not mindless dickriding, actually prove that the person making the complaint has actually thought about the game you made, and are therefore far more worthy of consideration than the butthole who does nothing but b***h.
>t. moron who has never made something for the public in his life
There's a shit ton of bad critics out there. If a dev went around tweaking everything on account of morons like you, they would make a terrible game and you wouldn't play it anyway.
Seriously, artists ruin themselves by taking every critique to heart and trying to please everyone
One way ticket to failure, every little criticism shouldn’t be listened to. Negative criticism =/= useful criticism
>How to critique anything to actually elicit change
>1. Explain why you bought the thing
>2. Explain how the thing does not fulfill what was brought up in part 1
>3. Call the homosexual on the receiving end, a Black person homosexual and a thief
fix'd
>wants 2 compliments and a POLITE critique
that's not how this works unless you gave me your game for free.
1. Dirty kuffar, to me you are but a dog, but i have been forced to speak to you because of this abomination you just made
2. Your game is an insult to everything beautiful Allah has brought upon this earth
3. I can only hope you find repentance once i behead you and your breathen inshallah
>This is a well-built machine
>It's expensive, overly complex, and solves a problem nobody actually had
>Juice is good for you
>JuicEro
They're making juice porn now?
YES LET'S POST THE SAME IMAGE FOR THE HUNDREDTH TIME AND ARGUE ABOUT FRICKING NOTHING UNTIL WE HIT THE BUMP LIMIT. ANOTHER CLASSIC Ganker THREAD BOYS
This board is shit
I wish I could press a button and delete everyone who’s posted here in the last 10 years
Thank you for this thread Ganker
Did I do it right?
I'll call any dev that posts this a homosexual and pirate his game and not even bother to play it
1. Thank you for making a new Zelda game, Nintendo! It looks great!
2. Too bad it's OPEN WORLD SLOP UBISHIT TRASH NO-CONTENT COPYPASTE COPYPASTE COPYPASTE FORCED SOUL NUZELDA AND MY CHILDHOOD IS FOREVER RUINED
3. I bought it though and hope you make good Zelda games in the future! Farewell Aonuma san <3
You should be more angry at the 30M people who brought BotW and the 10M people who bought TotK than Nintendo. You're never getting a big budget traditional entry again. At best they'll keep remaking their back catalogue to coast on nostalgia.
Why does sincerely making an articulated view point terrify people here?
Its asking for "niceness" and praise for 2/3rds of the review.
Not that im against shitting on a dev and his game on a well articulated manned that drives the point on how dogshit his game is
I'm not going to be screaming and flinging poop at devs when their game has issues, but I also don't see a reason to sugarcoat my message. We're not friends, peers, co-workers or anything. If they're going to treat me as a beta tester for their buggy release then I'm going to write a fricking bug report, not a love letter.
female behavior (the downfall of civilization)
How a man takes feedback
>receive criticism
>reconsider based off feedback, or ignore the complaint if it was fukken moronic
How women take "feedback"
>uhm, sweaty, i'm not going to listen if you're toxic kay?
>uuuuuuhm i hear you? even though you're wrong and i'm right.
>PRAISE ME! YAAAAS KWEEN!
Yeah no. Criticism being sugar coated is like something you tell a third grader to do when writing his report. The real world is gonna kick you in the dick and spit on you while your in pain
wouldn't it be better to give him a real sandwich though i don't think there's much nutritional value in a compliment he might go hungry
Thank you sir, for letting me pay $70 so you ignore my feedback unless I give you a rimjob.
This has to be some indieslop dev, because in a """real""" dev environment you are treated like a plantation Black person by the likes of QA, ui/ux, devops people, sysadmins, and project managers
>I really like your starting menu
>the game is entirely fricking nonfunctional how did you even release it in this state go frick yourself
>the crash report page is easy and functional
I dont compliment them. I jump straight to what they did wrong then tell them how to fix it or what they could do better.
then I will talk about some things that I enjoyed at the end.
Like did anyone notice in Street Fighter 6 how just confusing and ridiculous the Matchmaking options are or how complicated it is to 1v1 a person on your friends list?
World Tour Mode was a fun little experience. I like the modernization changes that they did with the game overall. Graphics are great and the online is smooth enough with rollback. theres like 3 good songs in the entire soundtrack though and navigating the menus is like navigating a maze. I dont even get the point of sitting in the Battlegrounds Second-Life room when you can just sit in training mode.
>Like did anyone notice in Street Fighter 6 how just confusing and ridiculous the Matchmaking options
>ranked
>casual
Damn that's complicated
I wouldn't trust someone who hits me with the compliment sandwich. You know they've spent too much time dealing with HR and are just trying to finesse you.
The worst thing you can do to a creator is tell them their work is perfect when it isn't
No, I will not dilute my honest criticism with unnecessary compliments. I will compliment something when it deserves a compliment and give harsh critique to it when it severely lacks something. If someone doesn't like this honest approach to life then they can eat a bag of dicks.
Needless compliments are only good for marketing (which I loathe), instead of these "compliments" just give constructive critisicm.
No, this is called pandering and respecting of persons.
Nobody has to do this. Moderators literally take away your freedom of speech due to deceptions like this, enjoy your heavily moderated sterilized lifestyle in fortnite with what is called Whitey Atmosphere.
America is based on truth and masculinity of men doing and saying the right things. Worshiping the israelite is basically only if you have to bend over for them. The place you are in isn't worth being in if it's all there is.
Take your meds
Jesus Christ is a israelite, and He gave God to the Gentiles. You are nobody to say that to me.
Take your meds and touch grass
You have no arguments. You have no games.
I am the argument
I made the game
It's amazing that you thought this would sell.
This is literally the worst thing I have ever seen, with no redeeming qualities.
You've very brave for releasing this.
>asking for a basic feature is a critique that needs to be sugar coated
As long as what you say is constructive criticism/suggest
There's no reason to sugarcoat it nor there's any reason to just outright pour insults
Compare :
- this inventory fricking sucks
- it is too difficult to move items around; you shouldn't be required to double click an item and then double click where you want it move
Instead, drag and drop would be much easier
I think you're a homosexual
But at least the editing is pretty high quality
Make sure to use a straw when making crystals for prettier designs
>state the condition
>critique flaws
>reasoning
>provide examples
>kind regards
So its like reporting a bug?
How I read it:
>"I bought your game and suggested it to all my friends, despite the issues, therefor that issue is not big enough to prevent me from buying it, thus you don't need to spend time adding it in
Reddit and it's consequences have been a disaster for the internet
Yes the obsession of people here with other websites has been obnoxious.
>it's
Kill all Black folk frick trannies aaaa I'm going insane save me daddy
when people critique my games and demos, it's usually just all positivity and one tiny small criticism or mostly criticism and a small positive thing
I think it's mostly like a 'critic' would view it versus a regular consumer.
>It's very nice that the game shit the bed fast enough so you can still fit into the refund window.
>Seriously you're asking $70 for this crap, what the frick dude.
>I can only hope you will find Jesus or end your own life in peace.
Maybe you're right.
>critique
>critique some more
>propose ways to improve
>critique yet again and rub salt in wound by saying the "it's a shame, the game had potential"
This is kind of a leftoid talking point but no, you do not need to present an alternative to offer criticism. You are not a professional game designer. They are.
This is how you're supposed to give critique to children, not fricking adults.
>Hey the font you used is pretty nice!
>the game is a nonfunctional mess of bugs and crashes with poorly thought out gameplay and disgusting visuals 🙂
>I told all my friends about your game
Ass-kissing and schmoozing are disingenuous and if I have a genuine complaint, I'm not sandwiching it between lies.
It's pretty fricking rich for frankfurt school critical theory enjoyer leftoids to suddenly revert to saying that you need to offer constructive alternatives to criticize corporate products.
>fullscreen not already an option
Any new game that's released and doesn't have something as basic as fullscreen I can already tell you is a fricking trash game. Hell even shitty RPG Maker eroges have fullscreen by default.
>Hey bro, thanks for making your game so short it can easily be refunded
>I regret even the short time i spent playing it though
>Don't let this complete failure discourage you, better luck next time
Am i doing it right?