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There are homosexuals Who are still denying this obvious shit? They clearly wished that
yes imagination homosexuals are homosexuals
A false wish granter was responsible, the toxic chain is the proof
They're already subverting shit, the Momotaro pokemon is their gang leader
How did they come back to life then?
Did ogrepon actually not kill them and instead beat them into "next week" (now)?
Timetraveltrannies have always been fricking autistic
>fossil Pokemon exist and are fairly prevalent in the world due to revival machines, yet no paradox fossils were ever found
>somehow suicune, a resurrected dog Pokemon from Johto folklore that was literally incarnated by ho-oh has a reptilian ancestor
>all future Pokemon happen to be found in current-day paranormal magazines, the equivalent of a Goosebumps book
>half of the paradox forms are references to modern-day phenomena, such as salamance’s mega evolution or the ralts line combined
Anyone who genuinely thought it was actually time travel are so fricking moronic that they actually deserve this franchise
>calls suicune a dog
>2 hours
>massive fricking autists still haven't thrown a seismic temper tantrum over it
I'm sorry anon but nobody read your comment
autism
imagination homosexuals are the troonys
Pokemon exist and are fairly prevalent in the world due to revival machines, yet no paradox fossils were ever found
Fossils are canonically rare finds. There are only 15 documented fossils throughout the entirety of the pokemon series.
You'd have to be terminally moronic to believe they're the only ones when we have confirmation of ancient pokemon that don't have obtainable fossils like pre-experiement Genesect.
suicune, a resurrected dog Pokemon from Johto folklore that was literally incarnated by ho-oh has a reptilian ancestor
The beasts were always just the beasts. They weren't created by Ho-oh, just revived.
>>all future Pokemon happen to be found in current-day paranormal magazines, the equivalent of a goosebumps book
Okay? All of the Occulture entries were inspired by the book, not the other way around. Occulture acts as a red herring telling you that they're supposed to be fake only for the game to pull the rug out from under you revealing that they're real, not the other way around.
>>half of the paradox forms are references to modern-day phenomena, such as salamance’s mega evolution or the ralts line combined
What? Anon, mega evolution has existed for like 3000 years, it's not modern and I don't even know what you're talking about with Gardevoir and Gallade as if they weren't in PLA, a game that takes place at most 500 years before the modern day.
You're moronic on multiple accounts but your assumptions on years is especially egregious.
>Mega evolution has existed for like 3000 years.
No it was 1000 years. And besides these are PREHISTORIC pokemon. In both our own world and the pokemon world dinosaurs existed up until 65 million years ago. Relatively megas and the time such a thing as Roaring Moon would exist is an insane span of time.
Additionally PLA was only 100 years before modern day, not 500, evident by its aesthetic and Victorian era style of technology.
>And besides these are PREHISTORIC pokemon.
>Part of its body has become stone. Some scholars claim that this is Aerodactyl's true appearance.
>Mega Evolution awakened some dormant genes, bringing back the sharp rocks that once covered Aerodactyl's entire body.
>The power of Mega Evolution has completely restored its genes. The rocks on its body are harder than diamond.
NTA but I'm convinced that you imaginationgays haven't actually played these games before. There's already a precedent for mega evolution being related to ancient forms.
>Additionally PLA was only 100 years before modern day, not 500
You what.
You read that shit on bulbapedia didn't you.
Nah 100 years is way too late for Arceus, by that point we'd be able to see similarities between Hisui and Sinnoh in terms of topography but no, they're completely different.
Hell, look at fricking snowpoint temple everything but the top is underground by the modern day and it's no longer on a cliff. Not to mention the only architecture that's close to victorian is the Galactic HQ and that's it everything else is old Japanese or in the case of the diamond and pearl clans are even older with pit-dwellings.
You'd have to be terminally moronic to believe that it happened 100 years ago even with pokemon's advanced technology compared to real life.
Photos would also make no fricking sense either since they would have existed for at least 100 years since that point.
If you go by Hisui's real life counterpart it cannot be more than 200 years. Early 1800s at the earliest.
>If you go by Hisui's real life counterpart
It's literally a hodgepodge of shit from different eras. The diamond and pearl clan being in huts as natives would suggest that it's even older than 500 years but going even further than that is absurd.
Stop reading fricking bulbapedia and use context clues in the game.
>stop conducting research and follow my headcanon
>bulbapedia
>research
>The diamond and pearl clan being in huts as natives would suggest that it's even older than 500 years
Not really, the Japanese were African tier before they were forced to open their borders.
Jesus Christ. You are the moron of morons.
You know nothing about the Ainu, let alone anything about Japan's history.
You don't have to samegay, if you think you know something, say it.
Don't beat around the bush.
But you won't, because you know frick all which is why you have to pretend there are more people on your side than there actually are.
>Nah 100 years is way too late for Arceus, by that point we'd be able to see similarities between Hisui and Sinnoh in terms of topography but no, they're completely different.
>Hell, look at fricking snowpoint temple everything but the top is underground by the modern day and it's no longer on a cliff. Not to mention the only architecture that's close to victorian is the Galactic HQ and that's it everything else is old Japanese or in the case of the diamond and pearl clans are even older with pit-dwellings.
>You'd have to be terminally moronic to believe that it happened 100 years ago even with pokemon's advanced technology compared to real life.
>Photos would also make no fricking sense either since they would have existed for at least 100 years since that point.
Illiterate moronkun.... PLA is the pokemon version of the Republic of Ezo.
Which happened in 1869.
Which was 154 years ago.
So you're correct in that it was "more than 100"... it was 150ish.
Learn Japanese history before you bullshit about Japanese history.
Nice bulbapedia bullshit you have there but you failed to realise this
Not one single Persona has given a response to that which isn't just a glorified
>Y-you're wrong!
>Cites real life history.
>Calls it Bulbapedia bullshit.
You are braindead anon. Please read a book or a Wikipedia article instead of pokemon shit, because as shitty as GF can be they atleast do their research to create an inspiration of a location, or in this case a period of time, to real life history.
>The only architecture that's close to Victorian is the Galactic HQ.
Yes, because they're international, while everything else is locally made. It's identical to what was occurring during the late 1800s/early 1900s in real life Japan. Look up what Japan was like back then. Japan did not modernize at the same rate or time as the rest of the world. And obviously japanese inspired regions didn't either.
It's based off the Jaopanese colonisation of Yezo province, whcih then becamke Hokkaido/. Furthermore, the contemporary real-world tech they portray in Legends lines up with early 20'th century tech.
Perhaps it is YOU reading shit off the fansites and repeating it as gospel, because you sure as frick don't seem to have played the game. Or maybe you did, but you're like every normalgay 'tard ever and the simplest time-travel fricks you up mentally to the point you can't follow it.
>Perhaps it is YOU reading shit off the fansites
NTA but do you have any idea how moronic it is to say something like this when what he's saying isn't on a fan site?
Please, every discussion board form here to the darknet was sperging out about how it was set in "feudal japan", despite initial previews throwing doubt on that then the full release utterly obliterating it. It's twenty, twenty fricking three and we STILL have morons proving they don't play pokémon games, or can't understand the plots of pokémon games, written for 7 year olds, if they do by displaying a STAGGERING lack of comprehension and an overt sense of ego because of it.
And all of it could be avoided if 'tards paid attention to the kiddy vidya they spend their gameplay hours mashing "A" through.
Occulture is the main reason why I don't understand why timetravelbelievers are still so adamant. Time travel and Paradox Pokemon being real would not be a twist. We know the Pokemon are real, we can catch them. The professors state plainly that they're using a time machine. No one is going to pick up the Occulture magazines, see the articles about the paradoxes being cryptids, and then think "Ah, so none of this is real. Got it." and then be surprised when it is real. That wouldn't be a red herring, that would be a complete lack of genre awareness.
So why are the magazines there? And why are they tucked out of the way in the school in such a way that they'll only be found by players exploring thoroughly? The obvious answer is to make you doubt what the rest of the game has told you. The only reason not to take the professors at face value is because of what those magazines say. For example, why make it a point the past paradoxes, Slither Wing specifically, don't appear in the fossil record? "Oh fossils are rare finds so it's possible they did exist and just haven't been found yet." Sure, very possible. But that would make calling it out specifically a pointless move. It makes zero narrative sense to mention it if they are supposed to be real, but it makes perfect sense if the point is to suggest that maybe they're not actually from the past.
Basically, if the time travel is real, then there's no reason for the story to ever cast doubt on it, but it does anyway. If that means nothing then it's a real "curtains are blue" moment
>then there's no reason for the story to ever cast doubt on it, but it does anyway
They're red herrings anon the objective is to make the player think that they aren't real and then to go
>surprise they are Occulture was bullshit all along!
Also
>For example, why make it a point the past paradoxes, Slither Wing specifically, don't appear in the fossil record?
It said no Volcarona records existed from that time, not Sither Wing.
did you even read the whole post before replying
Yes, and it doesn't change because you don't like it. Whether you like it or not Occulture is literally meaningless, it had no purpose other than throwing off the player but for some reason imaginationgays like to see it as absolutely truth despite the game stating that it was embellishing from the book.
>surprise they are Occulture was bullshit all along!
That's my point though. That wouldn't be a twist. Occulture is obviously bullshit, it's explicitly a crappy paranormal magazine. Going "Surprise, players! Everything was exactly as we told you it was!" isn't clever, or compelling, or remotely anything good. And GameFreak aren't genius writers by a long shot, but they've never been that bad. Again, it wouldn't be a red herring, it would be a waste of time.
Whereas including these crappy magazines, having them be 90% bullshit, but sprinkle in hints of what was actually going on to make players start to suspect something was up would be good writing on par with what the rest of SV has going on
>but they've never been that bad.
You clearly haven't played many Gamefreak games considering the last 3 generations were worse
>we're going to summon a pokemon that can kill us all because of a problem we won't experience for another 3000 years, also here's a fake team to use as a red herring
>I'm going to latch and alien pokemon to my head because I'm an insane woman also here's a fake team to use as a red herring
>I'm going to destroy everything wiping out all of the lazy people to build our utopia but the people on my team are just those lazy trust fund kid
You're saying GF isn't this bad but it's literally one of the better examples of world building and stories from GF.
>but sprinkle in hints of what was actually going on
That's why every Occulture book says the article was based on something from the Scarlet/Violet book and by the time you see the ones at Poco you've done most of Arven's storyline which is all about finding the herbs mentioned in the book.
Why are there only two raidons?
The professor wanted the Winged King/Iron Serpent, the super special OC donut steel version of Cyclizar that Heath created but what they got the first time was a nice quirky natured raidon that's more similar to Cyclizar's actual behaviour so they wished again to get the blood thirsty raidon that ended up killing them.
that's weird, that's not what the game says
Thats because the game is lying to you, except when it doesnt which is different depending on what supports the imagination theory
All of this is information is from the game, you're just too mentally disabled and can't put it together.
that's weird, I played the game where the journals and AI tell you about the Raidon's.
>Build """"time machine"""" because of fictional tabloids
>Get nice Koraidon/Miraidon
>Bring the mean raidon
>Die
I don't see how this goes against anything I said.
I don’t believe you played the game.
is 100% correct.
>but I was never able to bring over more that two specimens of Koraidon.
thank you for disproving yourself
…what was disproven??? This is also my first message in the thread.
They brought over the first raidon, which is the one you have, then they brought over a second one, which is the one that killed the professor, and no more have been brought over since.
Is this supposed to prove that anon wrong? The "100% correct" post is fanfiction, nowhere does it say the professors only wished/search for only two, just that they only got two.
To further the first statement in that picture you post heavily implies the professors tried to get MORE than two.
Yeah and they died after bringing the second one
I missed the implication it was all wishing not actual time travel but like, quite literally:
Raidon 1 shows up and is nice -> Raidon 2 shows up and kills the professor -> No more Raidon show up, which is why there are only 2, which is what OP was responding to anyways.
Idc if it’s actual time travel or “imagination” I’ll let y’all homosexuals argue over that, but like literally the rest of it is exactly what happened in the game lol.
Regardless if the assumption of the professors demise happening before they can manifest more raidons, why does the AI not carry on and manifest more? Is the AI not there to carry on with the professors wishes? Theres unlimited amounts of paradox mons from the time machine but only two raidons?
>why does the AI not carry on and manifest more?
Play the game
they did. where's the other Raidons?
Again, play the game (or watch a playthrough of it) and you'll understand why the AI isn't looking for more raidons
why would the AI make more raidons when its opposed to the professor's plan and likely watched the second raidon kill the real professor
What makes you think there are only 2?
Someone's gonna have to explain to me how do you get time traveling out of this dlc. The whole talking to dead people via the tera crystals is the strangest new information we got in this game.
The talking to ‘ghosts’ would actually make sense if what is actually happening is not literally people manifesting, but holograms, recorded memories, of people, events, being transmitted as if they were still alive. Holograms could also be manipulated if Terapago’s crystals are just recording images they ‘see’.
It could even be what Heath saw, other than we know the real Great Tusk/Iron Treads that killed a team member, the others could have been manifested holograms…
It could even be that the Paradox Pokémon are naturally holograms, until adding in the Pokeball catching mechanic, making them manifest as ‘real’?
Would make just as much sense if the "ghosts" were manifestations of people's desires to see their lost loved ones again. If Terapagos does grant wishes or bring imagination to life, then it tracks that if people approach its crystals believing they'll let them see and speak with the dead, then they could create a reasonable facsimile of those people from the minds of the mourners.
>Someone wants to be stronger than they are now
>They get stronger
>ThIs Is ThE wOrK oF mAgIc TuRtLeS!
explain Munkidori becoming smart
He got educated and studied hard.
Forget about the imagination shit for a bit I literally can't comprehend what part of this dlc was related to time travel.
According to timetravelgays the Crystal Lake is used to communicate with people from the past and the Loyal Three were not revived, but instead time traveled to the present
>I literally can't comprehend what part of this dlc was related to time travel.
That's because it wasn't about time travel, it was about the effect Terapagos' power has on emotions.
And debunking imagination by having a character with an intense desire get absolutely shit on.
>Kieran gets so pissed his intense spite magically revives 3 mons
>this somehow disproves imagination
sure
How does it prove imagination when Kieran wouldn't want them to come back?
>you are stated to remind Ogerpon of her previous trainer
>Kieran gets pissed at you and probably wants you out of the picture
>the Loyal Three he revived killed Ogerpon’s previous trainer
do I need to spell it out
>>you are stated to remind Ogerpon of her previous trainer
Headcanon
gets pissed at you and probably wants you out of the picture
Happens way at the end.
>>the Loyal Three he revived killed Ogerpon’s previous trainer
They wouldn't attack you they would go for Ogerpon, which they did and that goes against Kieran's desire of keeping Ogerpon to himself and safe.
Where's you logic here? You do actually have to spell it out because I'm looking at it from every possible angle and it doesn't make sense under imagination.
gets so pissed his intense spite magically revives 3 mons that attacked Ogerpon, the pokemon he has an obsession over and wants to see protected
>Kieran wanted to be Ogrepon's partner and practically went mad because of it but never had his wish granted
>this somehow proves imagination
Sure
So what Pokemon were they before? Would've been cool if they designed that in mind.
wheres that dude who would argue for hours against the idea that sv had a theme about wishes and treasure and desire
The time machine pulled their future versions who had achieved their wishes back into the present.
Anon, they were dead.
They died, anon. There are no future versions of them - Ogerpon killed them as soon as their wishes were granted, and they were most definitely dead - the villagers recovered and buried their broken corpses. This also means they couldn't have been pulled from the past - the forms they appear in are the ones they got after their wishes had been granted, just before their deaths; likewise, if they had time traveled in that short window between when they got their hands on the masks and when Ogerpon tracked them down, they would have vanished before Ogerpon could kill them, which would have meant there was no fight for the villagers to misinterpret, no bodies for them to bury, and no reason for them to build a shrine in their honor. Time travel just doesn't work here.
>Ogerpon killed them as soon as their wishes were granted,
They never had wishes granted.
They killed Ogerpon's master, stole the masks and then Ogerpon killed them.
No wishes.
If wishes were a thing they wouldn't have died because they were in possession of the three masks and would have demolished Ogerpon.
Also if wishes were a thing then they would have been revived as good pokemon because that's how everyone saw them.
>Also if wishes were a thing then they would have been revived as good pokemon because that's how everyone saw them.
Everyone except Kieren, who wished everyone would see Ogerpon as the hero. Considering it seems he's the one who revived The Loyal Three, it's his desire that got granted.
Also, people keep saying that him getting cucked out of catching Ogerpon goes against his wish - but his original desire was to clear her name and befriend her, not own her (that's literally OUR - the player's - wish, since collecting every Pokemon in existence, no matter how rare, is our whole thing. Gotta fill out that 'Dex, amirite?). In that sense, he gets exactly what he wanted - Ogerpon gets to be a hero, and she sees him as a 'friend', but we're her bestie because we're the ones who played the active role in helping her, hence why she comes with us in the end
>Everyone except Kieren, who wished everyone would see Ogerpon as the hero
That wasn't his wish though. His wish was to be strong enough to be Ogerpon's trainer
>"I want to be as cool as the ogre."
>"I...wanna try to get stronger. So I can do things for myself, you know? I'm gonna become someone people can rely on. Then, just maybe...I could be that ogre's friend."
>I need to become... A lot stronger
>Stronger. Stronger! Stronger and stronger and stronger!
The schizos are so mindbroken they've spent the last 3 days completely terrified to talk about Briar. You've lost.
You're gonna be pissing and shitting yourself when 2nd DLC comes out and the big "plot twist" is her finding out for herself that everything Heath said was a lie.
Sorry billy but every piece of new information we've gotten since release has only supported what I've believed. There's a reason you're afraid to talk about her and need to find any text that includes "dream" "wish" or "belief" to keep coping.
Nobody replies to your posts because they're complete non sequiturs, that image doesn't prove or disprove anything other than briar being evil.
>briar being evil
lol
>Theme is sinister and threatening in a game where all character themes are upbeat and friendly.
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Yep, final boss material
kieran is gonna be the big bad of indigo disk and his wish and desire to become stronger than mc for cucking ogerpon from him is gonna be him being granted that wish by terapagos or whatever
I'm still hanging on to the schizo theory that geeta is the big bad.
>professor wanted “paradise” from their machine for themselves, the raidon, the paradoxes, and the son
>they die, their machine goes haywire and needs to be shut down, the paradoxes are berserk, their son hates them, and only their clone gets to go to “paradise”
>Kieran wants a cute ogre wife
>she completely cucks him in favor of the protag, literally everyone keeping his desire away from him including his own family
Yeah, Briar is totally going to prove Heath correct just like she said. Surely this won’t be subverted too, and surely everything will progress exactly as presented on the surface.
I dont know if it's imagination but there's clearly more to it than time travel... The first expedition to the crater, 200 years before the game starts, saw Past/Future pokemon way before the time machine was invented by the professor.
And this is mentioned as a mystery by Arven himself in the post-game, it's not just a plot hole. People played the game and read the text right?
Time travelgays are saying the time machine actually sent the pokemon back to heath's time to be discovered despite the game never saying this anywhere, and that arven calling out this issue is actually evidence for time travel, somehow
imagination gays are GAY!
did i frick up by not catching them? i didnt see the option after taking down their titanic forms
After the story just visit the places again and they are there.
> dex entries say those powers were granted by their poison lash
> has nothing to do with tera
> they had it before they went to kitakami, long before even having contact with anything related to tera
> THIS PROVES MY THEORY EVEN THOUGH IT'S COMPLETELY UNRELATED!!!
typical imaginationschizogay
>has nothing to do with tera
Can you prove this?
As far as I know nothing in the dlc says where the toxic chain came from.
Everything related to tera takes the form of shiny crystals, as you might have noticed.
Do you see anything like that in the chains?
Also, what would your thought process here be: "nothing in the game relates this to tera, so it's related"?
>Everything related to tera takes the form of shiny crystals
Glimmora line
>"nothing in the game relates this to tera, so it's related"?
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence is what I'm saying.
>Glimmora
you mean the pokemon that it explicitly stated in its pokedex entry to be made of "crystalized poison energy"?
Yeah, that one
>Everything related to tera takes the form of shiny crystals
The TERArium dome doesn't
Paradox Pokemon don't exist in Proper Pokemon History, cops timekeks.
*cope
you are the one coping you illiterate GAY imaginationgay
So when does Terapogos grant the alternate timeline wish or are we just pretending that doesn't matter
To be honest, I liked the idea that the way the story was told was for the most part right but the mask maker being friends with the ogre and Kieran being a giga autist spun it into the ogre dindu nuffin and those damn foreigners are the problem, with the tera crystals in the area granting their wish.
Notice how the Loyal Three only get revived AFTER Kieran has his spergout.
>Notice how the Loyal Three only get revived AFTER Kieran has his spergout.
Which kind of goes against the whole imagination theory because Kieran didn't like them.
In fact, if it was wishes to reality they would have been brought back the moment the idea of the Loyal Three came to be, not to mention they would have been revived as good pokemon to match the way they were depicted.
Everything about this dlc seems to be made expliticly to say that wishes to reality isn't a thing. I mean, Kieran literally wished with all his heart to see Ogerpon and what happens is that you, the new guy in town, who was only just learning about the legend, and his sister, who thought it was evil, see it and hide it from him.
That's the exact opposite of his desire.
>Kieran literally wished with all his heart
think of how wishes are being granted. was there any herba mystica around? no. was kieran a scientist working in area zero near a bunch of tera crystals? no. did kieran even have a tera orb that you and your rivals have? no. did kieran even step foot in crystal pond to potentially have a wish get granted? no
>was kieran a scientist working in area zero near a bunch of tera crystals? no. did kieran even have a tera orb that you and your rivals have? no
You realise the mask was made out of the crystal, right? When he gets his hand on it that's when his emotional state takes a turn for the worse so it's clearly having an effect on him.
Also, if you're going to make that argument then it still wouldn't be possible for Kieran to bring back the Loyal Three even if he did want them to be revived because under your reasoning he wouldn't have been near any crystals to revive them.
In other words not only would he not have the desire to bring them back he wouldn't have the power to do so.
You're trying your hardest to make this theory fit together but the fact is that it simply doesn't and leads to way too many plot holes.
> When he gets his hand on it that's when his emotional state takes a turn for the worse so it's clearly having an effect on him.
no his emotional state got worse when he overheard the true ogrepon story and realize you and his sis were lying to him during the festival
> In other words not only would he not have the desire to bring them back he wouldn't have the power to do so.
what he did do is bring the teal mask near the shrine where their bodies are buried. remember one important detail from the main story where the professor is long dead but their wishes like the AI and “time machine” still carry on after their death? so it makes sense the Loyal Three had a desire so strong to get revenge on Ogrepon that it carried on after their death and ended up reviving them to give them a 2nd chance
>no his emotional state got worse when he overheard the true ogrepon story and realize you and his sis were lying to him during the festival
You do realise there's a difference between being sad and being angry right?
Even then Carmine even mentions how it's not like him to get like that.
>but their wishes like the AI and “time machine” still carry on after their death?
Not only does this have nothing to do with the current argument, but the AI wasn't the result of a wish.
In fact its believed that the new assistant was either Geeta or Briar and not the AI.
Excuse me, captured it at the wrong point.
It was obvious from the beginning that it was wishes to reality, even more so now with Ogerpon terastallizing after it remembers its trainer.
>short, dull feathers, bird
Doduo
>small, weak, dog
Yamper
>stupid, clumsy, monkey
Pansear
it is time travel Imagination homosexualry is GAY!
But I thought it was imagination? Good to see you can't keep your story straight.
Also, they looked like this before they ever encountered the tera crystals so....
So the people who believe this stuff don't actually play the games confirmed. Here's what they looked like when they arrived in katakami, which is what they look like right now.
>what they looked like when they arrived
you were hearing this folktale by word of mouth from the grandpa. you didn’t watch a video recording of the past or something
Anon, I know you like to think Game Freak don't know what they're doing, but I assure you it's you overthinking a story in a game aimed at 7 year olds. The "loyal" three gained their chains elsewhere and with their new-found strength and abilities, they went to steal the magical masks of the ogre and smash anyone who got in their way, just as Game Freak portrayed in-game so 7 year olds could comprehend it. Congrats on trying to make a simple story needlessly complicated.
>can find them spawning on the mountain
>outside of paldea and coincidentally where there's an area zero crystal
what the frick is the deal with glimmora?
WE'RE OFF TO SEE THE WIZARD
THE WONDERFUL WIZARD OF AZ
to add on to this, kitakami has basically a mini area zero. grieving villagers look into the waters to meet their loved ones who died, another wish being granted.
another thing of note is that oni mountain also has feebas living in it. but a milotic appeared out of crystal pond to fight you, and you find a crystal it was holding onto. so what likely happened is that a wild feebas got ahold of a crystal and was granted its wish to evolve and become beautiful. it didn’t need a prism scale, nor caught by a trainer or traded
i think the OZ theory makes more sense when you connect it with the base story of the game, rather than trying to connect it to the DLC.
>The lion, the scarecrow and the tinman are Arven, Nemona and Penny
>OZ is the professor, who hid their true nature to everyone in the Kingdom of OZ (Paldea)
So who're the Wicked Witches?
The Treasures? one in each direction.
I wonder what pokemon were they originally
If the descriptions on the map were true, they were unremarkable and unknown pokémon before finding the toxic chains
yeah i know, was wondering what those were. a random slakoth/growlithe/pidove?
i don't think so. They just were... you know, pokémon. I think it's kinda like with the Legendary Beasts from Johto, where is never specified if the three before being resurrected by Ho-Oh where a different species of pokémon that we know of (like the theory they were a Vaporeon, Jolteon and Flareon), or if they were a species unknown today
The paradox beasts confirm that they were always just the beasts.
timetravelcucks try so hard
Unfezzant (female) would be a more likely shout to me.
They were Munkidori, Okidogi and Fezandipiti.
That's it. Obtaining the chains don't change what they are.
what if the professor's wish was granted... and they were given a real time machine???
Then it would just be time travel and imaginationgays would be pissed.
Anyone else cant wait for Indigo Disk to BTFO imganination trannies?
Briar being in the game alone confirms Heath was right.
I mean, Teal Mask already destroyer the theory but they're still going.
Just two more months Bros, trust the plan, time travel is definitely going to finally get some evidence next DLC just trust the PLAN
>Briar wants to clear Heaths name by meeting >Terapagos is real as we know from announcements
>Therefore, Briar WILL meet Terapagos and clear Heaths name
THe story has already been written and firgured out. Imaginationtrannies need only to accept how wrong they are and bow out..
BUt unfrortunately, inferior ppeole can not comrehend superiority so they will lash out, even though this case has already been closed.
G fricking G.
Yep just like Kieran totally caught Ogerpon and how Sada and Turo created their paradise.
So you agree imagination is wrong.
Sada wanted to created WHAT?
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Can you please learn to type before trying to dish out insults? Also, be sure to livestream your suicide when time travel inevitably gets disproven.
Briar is literally GameFreak mocking time travel gays; she's going to get utterly OBLITERATED in the next DLC when she finds out everything she thought she knew about Heath was wrong.
>Briar is literally GameFreak mocking time travel gays
By mocking do you mean, a hint at alternate time lines?
>when she finds out everything she thought she knew about Heath was wrong.
Anon, we literally know everything about Heath was true.
The layout of Area zero is the same
The herbs exist and they were planted outside of Area Zero like the book says
The plate is there.
The markings are there.
The paradox mons are there.
Even though Terapagos isn't in the game yet we know that exists
So what is supposed to be wrong exactly? You can't say any of that is fake wlbecausr then you'll have massive plotholes.
>replies 98
>posters 40
timetravelgay vocal minority still loud as usual
Roughly 2 replies per person is really not a lot. A thread with a 1:1 poster/post ratio is a dead thread with no one talking.
imaginationniger should be seething and alone
So what evidence is there for imagination now that we know they crystals don't grant wishes?
Aside from the paradox Mons making zero fricking sense? Brute bonnet literally mimics a modern objects
>Inb4 foonguss Dex entry
A theory
>there are people that still believe the time travel theory
seriously?
>there are people who still believe what the devs say about the story of their own game?
seriously?
You mean like Arwen when he says time travel doesnt make sense? LOL
More so GameFreak themselves blatantly telling you it’s Time Travel.
Doesnt look that convicing when 99% of the time they say time travel make no sense.
The characters who don’t know what time travel is doesn’t outweigh what the devs said, especially in the series where time travel already exists as seen with Celebi and Dialgia.
GameFreak could have easily said “came from mysterious places” to keep imagination a secret.
>when 99% of the time they say time travel make no sense.
Which they don't.
>company just withholding the big secret until indigo disk dlc drops
is the idea of being lied to incomprehensible to you? even the anime is dancing around the idea of terapagos without showing what its powers really are yet
Remember how GF kept saying that Ogerpon was evil?
No? Never
They literally constantly called it an "evil ogre" while saying the loyal three were heroes.
So where did GF say that Ogerpon was evil?
Did GF also theme the entire generation around her being evil?
Okay? So where did GF say they were evil?
You can see them mention time travel here
And in the TCG the next set is Paradox Rift.
You can see the time theme everywhere. But nowhere has GF said Ogerpon was evil
I literally posted an image of them calling Ogerpon evil, you're just pretending to be oblivious.
In the story? Because that was kitakamians telling you what they velieved. Game Freak never stated anythjg regarding Ogerpon from an out-of-universe perspective along those lines.
Are you SURE you can distinguish between fiction and reality?
Game Freak wrote the game brother.
The screenshot I posted is from the direct before the teal mask released.
Stop pretending to be dumb.
holy fricking shit the length you will go to deny a fact is nothing short of insane
So now the story doesn't count? Mentions of time travel in the story are sacrosanct, but mentions of Ogerpon being evil only count if they come from promotional material? Anon, you are being lied to for the sake of a fictional mystery. Deal with it
>anon brings up promo text and not in game text to show that time travel evidence goes beyond the game itself
>to prove that GF called ogerpon evil outside of the game you post a screenshot of... The game
Genius
>ignores evidence that ogerpon has been called evil outside of the game when anon posts it
Glass house
>when anon posts it
Where? You posted a specific thing FROM the game.
Nta, bud
Does it really matter if you're just as moronic and believe that a cap from the game isn't from the game?
You don't have a counter argument so you have to pretend the evidence isn't real.
Anon, ignoring the fact that you took something from a game doesn't change the fact that it's from a game.
Again, it was from promotional material.
You don't have counter argument so you have to pretend the evidence isn't real.
>Again, it was from promotional material
Anon, it's recounting the legend from the game.
So?
>from the game.
I genuinely do not understand what you're point is supposed to be.
You think the marketing can't ever be misleading about the plot? Except when that mislead is also repeated in the game? Even though your original image was also a mislead present in both the actual game and promotional material?
I honestly can't make sense of your incoherent point (and clearly neither can you, your train of thought is clearly built as it goes)
Anon, the marketing is only misleading if the game is trying to be misleading which is the case with Ogrepon. It's actually a plot point that Ogerpon was thought of as the villain.
The same can't be said about time travel, once the game came out they were being extremely open about it being time travel with every part of the generation being centered around that theme in some way.
In other words if it were time travel they would have drilled in the time travel theme before release and not after not to mention the big reveal wouldn't have been time travel.
I'm the one who posted the screenshot, this was NOT from the game and you know that.
Literally the moment they say it:
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Stop playing dumb.
Literally the exact moment they say it:
>future or past pokemon make a time travel to appears 200 years ago just to spook heath and then disappears
>paradox pokemon can't reproduce
>great tusk and iron treads are different from book and in-game model
>obviously walking wake e raging bolt are ancestor of suicune and raikou
sure
>arven last sentence
The breeding thing doesn't matter because the extradimensional pokemon from Sun and Moon can't breed either, even though they should be able to.
How many of these threads do we have to keep having before people accept that PARADOX pokemon are meant to be both and neither time travel/imagination at once. It's a P A R A D O X you fricking spergs. Can we stop fighting about this already? They intentionally put in evidence for both, as a PARADOX.
>They intentionally put in evidence for both, as a PARADOX.
Anon, there's literally only evidence for one and you don't understand what a paradox is because there's no contradiction in your idea.
>suicune entei and raicune
>reincarnated vaporeon flareon and jolteon respectively
>munkidori okidogi and dezandippiti
>??? ??? and ???
raikou*
ignore that
Maschif, flamigo and mankey
>all include the letters ne in that order
>all include the letters eon in that order
>all include the letters ii in that order
>all include the letters ??? In that order
So I guess the dlc didn't exactly convince people that the tera stuff is more related to desire than it strictly being a time related ability. Will Indigo disk hammer in the point more with some wacky shit happening with our new growing possible villain?
How do I unlock Raicune
>The story could never lie though
This is the crux of the time travel gay argument, you morons can fathom the idea of a character lying or spreading wrong information because of ignorance.
2 more months until imagination schizos are exterminated.
into the timetravelgay BTFO screencap you go
And then it turned out it wasn't Terapagos that granted their "wishes" but their chains.
>The chain is made from toxins that enhance capabilities. It stimulated Munkidori's brain and caused the Pokémon's psychic powers to bloom
>Fezandipiti owes its beautiful looks and lovely voice to the toxic stimulants emanating from the chain wrapped around its body.
>After all its muscles were stimulated by the toxic chain around its neck, Okidogi transformed and gained a powerful physique.
So much for these wishes.
chains don’t randomly revive a dead pokemon hundreds of years later either
Neither does Terapagos.
After all the dlc hammered home that no matter how hard you wish for something you can't always have it.
Holy headcanon.
>Kieran wished to see Ogerpon
>you and his sister who didn't care saw it before him
>Kieran wished to be Ogerpon's trainer
>you beat him and became her trainer
>You steal Ogrepon
>Kieran wants you gone
>Revives Three to get rid of you
>It backfires
That's not even remotely correct.
It's
>you and Carmine meet ogerpon
>Kieran has no reason to want you gone because you have no attachment to it yet
>three revived for no reason even though Kieran hates them
>they ignore you and go immediately and steal Ogerpon's masks again and then they go right off to attack Ogerpon
>you stop it and Ogerpon tags along and finally it starts getting attached to you
>three revived for no reason even though Kieran hates them
>they ignore you and go immediately and steal Ogerpon's masks again and then they go right off to attack Ogerpon
It's not 'for no reason, despite Kieran hating them'. They revive BECAUSE Kieran hates them. He wants everyone in Kitakami to know Ogerpon was the good guy and they were the bad guys, and - surprise - they suddenly revive and show everyone their true colors by attacking Ogerpon right off the bat. This plants them firmly and undeniably in the aggressor role, and Ogerpon as the victim/good guy, which proves Kieran correct. It's exactly what he wished for.
>He wants everyone in Kitakami to know Ogerpon was the good guy
He never once mentions that. He says things along the lines of
>it's cool
>it want to live with it
>I want to get stronger and so things on my own so I can be it's friend
He doesn't think about changing the town's perception of Ogerpon until the quest for the masks starts and he leaves.
>He never once mentions that.
That's literally why he goes to the Loyal Three shrine after stealing the mask??? When you get there he's pissed off about being lied to about the true story and won't shut up about wanting the truth exposed
>That's literally why he goes to the Loyal Three shrine after stealing the mask???
Have you played the game?
Because he doesn't say that.
He says
>you knew didn't you
>you knew the oger wasn't the bad guy and was treated like an outcast
>and you did the same to me!
I'm paraphrasing but that's the gist. The entire time he doesn't actually say anything about wanting to help Ogerpon, it's all about what HE wants and how HE'S treated.
>The entire time he doesn't actually say anything about wanting to help Ogerpon, it's all about what HE wants and how HE'S treated.
The thing is, he relates with - and to a degree, seems to self-insert as - Ogerpon. He sees the way the villagers treat her as the same as how he's being treated, so making them see Ogerpon as a hero instead of an outcast would, in a sense, make HIM less of an outcast himself.
So? How is that supposed to excuse his behavior and attitude?
It isn't. He's toxic. And that toxicity awakens the loyal three. What's hard to follow here?
>And that toxicity awakens the loyal three.
Meaning it wasn't a wish.
Bringing the Loyal Three back from the dead so that everyone could see what kind of Pokemon they really were was helpful to his goal, anon. It proved him right, which gave him the validation and acceptance he's been seeking the whole time.
>Bringing the Loyal Three back from the dead so that everyone could see what kind of Pokemon they really were was helpful to his goal, anon
Hardly if they immediately went to steal Ogerpon's masks again and finish it off.
And no one treated them like they were evil when they were brought back, in fact they just handed the masks over.
>which gave him the validation and acceptance he's been seeking the whole time.
It didn't because that's not what he wanted, he wanted two things
1. To be stronger.
2. To be with Ogerpon.
Sure as hell ain't time travel either
Eh, more connection to time travel than imagination since the emotional manipulation and power source part don't exist in the imagination theory.
>Eh, more connection to time travel than imagination
There's literally zero connection to time travel, it can't be more than anything
>since the emotional manipulation and power source part don't exist in the imagination theory.
What are you talking about? That literally is the theory. Terapagos responding to the desires and emotions of people to create approximations of what it thinks they want.
>There's literally zero connection to time travel
Name 5 time travel things in the new DLC.
>create imaginary goalposts for imaginary argument
Is that you, Terapogos?
Concession accepted.
Tick Tock schizo
I dont use that app.
>Briar is Heath's decendant
>her clothes have the opposite version decals on it hinting at alternate timelines
>the lake is said to show deceased people aka people from the past
>the dlc is traditional Japanese themed to contrast with Blueberry's futuristic theme
Eh, one off but I'm sure something will come up in the future
Meanwhile there are no imagination connections that aren't a gross misinterpretation that goes against the core idea of the theory.
You just named 4 Imagination theory things though? The pool is obviously just like the mirror in Harry Potter.
>The pool is obviously just like the mirror in Harry Potter.
The mirror doesn't show the dead explicitly nor does it bring wishes to reality.
>The Mirror of Erised was a magical mirror, which, according to Albus Dumbledore, showed the "deepest, most desperate desire of our hearts."
Quite literally Imagination theory in a nutshell. Literally Terapagos. Oh wait no the lake just used the time travel machine to summon the dead ghosts kek
The imagination theory is that Terapagos explicitly GRANTS wishes. The mirror does not.
And once again the mirror does not explicitly show the dead. Quirrel saw himself giving the stone to Voldemort for example.
Semantics. Don't care.
Hardly semantics when seeing and bringing to life are two different things.
>one off joke about the mirror which shows your deepest desires
>autists latch into it because they have nothing else
Mirror shows deepest desires = Lake shows deepest desires (dead family or shit)
Wheres the time travel in the lake again? Not to mention the lake is full of tera crystals, do they magically now allow ghosts to time travel or is the lake just granting your wish to see your dead relatives??????
where does it say ghosts or deepest desires anon
Where does it say time travel?
where did i say anything about time travel schizo. defend what you're saying, don't deflect.
>ask to name 5 time travel things in dlc
>says lake
maybe read the conversation troll
that's what you said, not me. defend what your claiming, stop deflecting.
>proven wrong
>double down
i'm pretty sure imagination theory is just commentary on narcissistic tendencies of autists at this point
None of theses things actually have anything to do with time travel though....
Split timelines are caused by fricking with the past.
SV isn't about split timelines though. Scarlet and Violet just take place in totally different universes. The rest of your points are just going "well.........people existed in the past, so, point for time travel!" which is kinda whack, you couldn't even come up with 5 like anon asked.
>SV isn't about split timelines though.
They are quite literally split from the same timeline. Something happened where Arven's parent is the opposite gender and interested in the past/future. Stop samegayging schizo
Yeah but every Pokemon game is like that. Different legendary, different evil team, different time of day. That's not a point for SV, it's just something Pokemon has always done
>game is about time travel
>split timeline
>NONONONO DONT LOOK AT THAT
>>game is about time travel
But enough about Sun/Moon.
But enough about PLA
And RBY
And GS
And DPP
Sun and moon was about alternate universes you moron.
No it was time travel. Different timelines.
What makes you think it was time travel?
Because you traveled to different timelines in the game.
Anon, the closest thing to an alternate time in gen 7 is ultra ruin.
Every step brings me closer to my last
Well why wait then? have a nice day now.
Wait for what?
I think to him, an alternate universe = an alternate timeline which means it's time travel even though the games were very explicit about you fricking around in space and the UBs being ayylmaos.
Frick it, everything is time travel.
You can time travel in space. UBs are also alien pokemon from the FUTURE which means time travel.
Yes anon and we're now further ahead in time now than we were 5 seconds ago, time travel fricking confirmed.
>There's literally zero connection to time travel, it can't be more than anything
I just said how it connects to the time travel theory by connection it to core elements that were discussed day one.
>Terapagos responding to the desires and emotions of people to create approximations of what it thinks they want.
Oh, you're illiterate. That explains it.
You see the imagination theory is all about granting desires not reacting or manipulating them. Basically if it worked that way then we'd be seeing whatever the professor's paradise was go off without a hitch because it was granted by Pagos, the three wouldn't be revived and Kieran would just be Ogerpon's abusive trainer.
They wouldn't be insane or power hungry either.
>You see the imagination theory is all about granting desires not reacting or manipulating them. Basically if it worked that way then we'd be seeing whatever the professor's paradise was go off without a hitch because it was granted by Pagos, the three wouldn't be revived and Kieran would just be Ogerpon's abusive trainer.
Except that's a deliberate misinterpretation of the theory. The core tenet of the imagination theory is that the professors wanted to use the Tera crystals for time travel, but Terapagos could not do that and made approximations of what they expected ancient/future Pokemon to be like instead. Literally the basis of the theory is Terapagos granting a wish wrong. If it worked like you claim it does, then the imagination/wish theory and the time travel theory would be the same thing because it would have just granted their wish for time travel. But it didn't, it worked like a rabbit's foot and gave them a bastardization of their desire instead, because that was the best it could do
Kieran waking up the Loyal Three follows the same pattern. His desire is to meet Ogerpon. That wish can't be granted, so what he gets instead is the Loyal Three attacking Ogerpon
>but Terapagos could not do that and made approximations of what they expected ancient/future Pokemon to be like instead
Which would make it a plot hole because it isn't actually granting desires and the machine itself would be functionally useless since it isn't actually doing anything. Not to mention the AI wouldn't have gone anywhere of it wasn't a time machine.
Usually the explanation there is that the AI was "reabsorbed" which doesn't make sense since its body is fully mechanical and not crystal as much as theorists say otherwise but I digress.
>Literally the basis of the theory is Terapagos granting a wish wrong
Which hasn't ever been stated before today which is a huge issue with the imagination theory and it's believers, you'll constantly revise the theory when it's put under scrutiny without any new information to justify it to the point where the theory is now just a ton of assumptions.
>If it worked like you claim it does, then the imagination/wish theory and the time travel theory would be the same thing because it would have just granted their wish for time travel
Again, that's the problem. The imagination theory doesn't follow any kind of logic other than "I don't want it to be time travel" which is why there's so many revisions.to desperately make it make sense.
>Kieran waking up the Loyal Three follows the same pattern. His desire is to meet Ogerpon. That wish can't be granted,
Yeah except that wish can in fact be granted quite easily. To say it can't is tantamount to saying that Terapagos and it's crystals have no power at all.
>so what he gets instead is the Loyal Three attacking Ogerpon
Which is the anti-thesis to his wish, he wouldn't want it harmed.
>Which would make it a plot hole because it isn't actually granting desires
Yeah, that's what I said. It's not granting desires, it's trying to, to the best of its ability. Did you miss that, or did you just not read what I said?
>and the machine itself would be functionally useless since it isn't actually doing anything
Yeah, that's the idea. It's not an actual time machine. The professors think it is, but really it's a glorified hunk of junk. If it's doing anything at all, it's just serving as a conduit for Terapagos' power
>Not to mention the AI wouldn't have gone anywhere of it wasn't a time machine.
Yeah, so where'd it go? That's an interesting question that TID might answer.
>Which hasn't ever been stated before today
It's literally the basis of the theory? If the imagination theory is true then Terapagos categorically failed to grant the professors' wish for time travel and substituted the Paradox mons instead. That has always been the theory.
>you'll constantly revise the theory
Yeah, that's how theory works. It expands and adapts in response to new information. As opposed to the time travel theory, which is comprised of taking everything at face value and ignoring anything that might suggest something more is going on
>Yeah except that wish can in fact be granted quite easily
How? Does Terapagos now have teleportation powers?
>Which is the anti-thesis to his wish
Again, welcome to the conversation! Kieran doesn't get what he wants. He gets a messed up monkey's paw (which is what I meant when I said rabbit's foot before, my bad) version of what he wants
>It's not granting desires, it's trying to, to the best of its ability.
Which is a revision of the theory once again highlighting the issue with it.
You can't say it grants desires one day and then suddenly change it to not grant desires becuase then there's no logic to the theory and it all falls apart.
>that's the idea
Then it shouldn't have worked yet we see pokeballs come out and the AI goes in. The only logical explanation is that it's a working time machine. Imagination just doesn't work.
>so where'd it go?
Into the past/future. It's a working time machine.
It clearly can't listen to the desires of the AI if the machine wasn't turned off by it so it wouldn't have done a thing if it desired to go back in time but it couldn't, there's no approximation for that.
>It's literally the basis of the theory?
It's not, the theory changes every day.
>Yeah, that's how theory works.
No, theories aren't just changed on a whim because you need it to in order to not be a laughing stock.
A change to a theory requires new information and between the release of the game and the dlc there was nothing the would prompt the constant alterations of the theory but they still happened because it would constantly be torn apart in lore threads.
>Does Terapagos now have teleportation powers?
That's a good question actually, the imagination theory doesn't really have an explanation for Terapagos' abilities, it can just do anything.
Meanwhile with time travel it's just a powerful source of energy which is what's said in game.
>Which is a revision of the theory
Again, it's really not. It is and has always been that the wishes are not literally granted. Hence there not being actual time travel. That is where the theory comes from, I do not know how to make this clearer for you
>Then it shouldn't have worked yet we see pokeballs come out
Yeah, and if Terapagos is making the Paradoxes, then it's spitting them out through there, inside the Pokeballs the professors put in. Simple as that
>so it wouldn't have done a thing if it desired to go back in time but it couldn't
We don't know what it would have done. Anon, we don't need to have all the answers now, that's what TID is for. If it turns out there is no time travel, then where the professor went becomes a plot point, maybe it's the reason we go back down into Area Zero.
>the theory changes every day
You haven't actually pointed out a change to the theory. You've just called things that were baked into it from day one changes because you don't get it.
>It is and has always been that the wishes are not literally granted
We have archive posts anon, if you haven't been discussing this from the start like the rest of us just look back through those and you'll see that it was literal wish granting which is why no one took it seriously in the first place because it made no sense to have a time machine.
>, I do not know how to make this clearer for you
Anon, you can't make it clear when you're missing information. Before I take part in these threads I always compare it to the last revision of the theory.
>Simple as that
And I see you conveniently ignored the AI going in.
>We don't know what it would have done
Of course we do, it simply wouldn't have worked because it doesn't literally grant wishes and it can't destroy the AI because it would have to make the AI think it has traveled back into the past.
>then where the professor went becomes a plot point
No, they won't ever explore that so it'll just become a plot hole.
>You haven't actually pointed out a change to the theory.
You're attempting to change it right now from literal wishing to approximation. Even in this very thread there are people saying that Kieran revived the three as a literal wish.
Also that wouldn't happen either under the imagination theory if it can only fake wishes.
>Kieran doesn't get what he wants.
Then it's not granting his wish.
>He gets a messed up monkey's paw, (which is what I meant when I said rabbit's foot before, my bad) version of what he wants
You're still off, the downside of a Monkey's Paw is that it's literal. If you wish to be the cream of the crop at school you'll become a pot of cream in some crops at school.
A genie is the one that fricks with you.
But it doesn't matter either way ebacaue Terapagos doesn't work like either in the imagination theory.
Well, until its revised again and it suddenly does.
Stupidos werent in the argument threads since day 1? It went that Prof wanted past/future mons but time travel is literally impossible like the game says so it granted professors wish and made a working time machine. The paradox mons arent real past/future mons but made up stuff from the occult books somehow. In this case BOTH time travel and wish granting are true. Only thing is that timetravelgays say that theres no wish granting going on and its ONLY time travel.
>It went that Prof wanted past/future mons but time travel is literally impossible like the game says
SV isn't even the first game with time travel. And nothing said its impossible either.
>but made up stuff from the occult books somehow
The Scarlet and Violet books predate Occulture anon, they don't mean anything so stop acting like they do.
>In this case BOTH time travel and wish granting are true.
Anon, if time travel and wish granting are both true then it's just time travel.
They wished for a functional time machine and now they have one and the story plays out with everything just being pulled from the past/future.
>And nothing said its impossible either.
The game says time machine is impossible with current tech unless i dreamed that up.
>The game says time machine is impossible with current tech
That's the AI, not the time machine itself.
I'd say that's evidence towards time travel given someone from the future would have to provide the knowledge or technology for it.
>Occulture doesn't mean anything
It's literally why the professors built their machine.
It doesn't. I was never trying to 'excuse' him for anything - it was asked what his motive for wanting to 'befriend' Ogerpon was, and the answer is that she's a means to an ends for him because he sees himself as being in a similar situation.
Your second sentence here answers your first one, dude. He was helping Ogerpon to help himself - that was literally his motivation, because he saw himself as the outcast/ogre in the stories. Redeeming her redeemed himself as a means to an ends.
>Your second sentence here answers your first one, dude.
Yeah no, it doesn't because he's not doing it for the benefit of Ogerpon or himself, he's doing it to gain the favor of Ogerpon to fulfil his own desires.
>Redeeming her redeemed himself
It was never about redemption.
You'd have a point if he ever even hinted at that being his objective. Even convincing the people to accept Ogerpon was done just so Ogerpon would like him and not for the sake of Ogerpon.
And later asks you to take Ogrepon to the village to show shes not evil at all hmm... makes you think
it's from the livestream idiot theres a female voice narrating it
>>And later asks you to take Ogrepon to the village to show shes not evil at all hmm... makes you think
Yes, because he decided to tell everyone on the village about the ogre's true story not because it was the right thing to do but to manipulate the ogre into liking him best because he oh so gracefully helped, all remarked with his keikaku doori grin when the villagers start apologizing.
Concession accepted.
He's right though.
>Ogerpon and it's master wanted to go into town and were shunned
>got the masks and were accepted but then were mugged by the lousy three instead
>Kieran wished to live with the ogre
>gets cucked by you
Where is the imagination connection?
Hell the closest thing is the revival of the three and even then that doesn't make sense because no one wanted them to come back. It's more likely that they had a some kind of residual energy attached to them when they stole the masks since that uses Terapagos' crystals and that energy revived them. It would also explain why they titanized too since they didn't exactly eat Herba Mystica.
>Neither does Terapagos.
And yet it was the presence of a Tera crystal combined with Kieran's powerful negative emotions that revived them. Where's the time travel here, genius?
>And yet it was the presence of a Tera crystal combined with Kieran's powerful negative emotions that revived them.
You mean Kieran who never liked them to begin with and would have zero reason to want them revived?
Unless you're saying his one true wish was to see Ogerpon kicked around like a football.
>alternate timelines
>Briar has symbols from the other book that shouldn't exist
HMMMMMMMM
>Briar
>riar
>iar
>Liar
hmmm
>Heath
>eath
>cheat
HMMMMMM
>hes pretending to be blind now
timetravelkeks not looking too hot
>once a Pokémon short, dull feathers
>female birds tend to have duller colors
>male birds generally have more vibrant colors
What the frick, did Fezandipiti get a sex change???
Why are you morons even arguing about Ogrepon it doesn't matter. All of the mons are tradeable so they have no relevancy past this point. Kieran will cry about it that's about it.
Briar is the one that discovers the 19th tera type
She's the one that shows Heath Terapogos with the crown
It's time travel, get over it.
No if it was time travel there would be no story to tie Terapagos in. Tera has nothing to do with time travel. They want you to think its that because they will reveal its not that and thats the big twist with the second DLC. Think about it, what would time travel even bring to the story anymore?
go back to /x/
What do you mean go back i have like 10 threads open there.
Hold up.. is that.. thats a screenshot from the GAME??! Yup doesnt count.
>revived out of nowhere
>"time travel makes more sense"
huh?
>Kitakima is a region in pokejapan
>story is about evil pokemon tricking others to steal from someone else
>said evil spirits return to life and seek revenge
>autists pretend this isn't a common japanese trope
It's obviously time travel bro. It all connects.
Show where it says the Pool lets you speak to "ghosts". I'll wait.
>miss your loved ones
>WISH to see them again
Are you telling me that I missed lore from not checking the map markers during the story?
What did he even mean by that?
>hurrdurr where ghost
>Heath meets someone as written in the Paradox book
>Liko has same experience with Lucius
durr ghosts
>durr ghosts
Yes. Thanks for agreeing.
I sincerely hope that we still don't have any concrete answers about how Terapagos and the Tera Crystals work even after Indigo Disk + Hidden Treasure of Area Zero just so these debates can continue ad nauseum, an eternal clash of beliefs in what is correct.
Which in turn will be used to make a modern day example of the "Truth VS Ideal" theme of BW, so really, this is all one big foreshadow for UNOVA CONFIRMED.
Legends Unova is pretty much already confirmed.
I mean, if we don't get any more information then the definitive answer would just be time travel. The story wouldn't work otherwise.
Better yet, just use the simplest answer of "Arceus is having a laugh again" just like how it casually drags the PLA Protagonist into Hisui, and likewise allows spacetime distortions to exist which give people amnesia and leave them forever trapped in a time period that isn't of their own, blissfully unaware of the life they formerly lived and the loved ones that were a part of it.
We've gone from:
Game about past and future pokemon and time travel
to wishes and imagination
to ghosts
Ghosts have been in the game since gen 1 bro.
>ghosts?
>in pokemon games?
>haha absolutely not haha time travel bros
Scarlet dex entries
>After all its muscles were stimulated by the toxic chain around its neck, Okidogi transformed and gained a powerful physique.
>The chain is made from toxins that enhance capabilities. It stimulated Munkidori's brain and caused the Pokémon's psychic powers to bloom.
>Fezandipiti owes its beautiful looks and lovely voice to the toxic stimulants emanating from the chain wrapped around its body.
It's the chains, but there's still the question of where the chains came from
The chains are either a monkey's paw scenario from Terapagos, much like how the professor literally goes insane in their pursuits before dying, or it relates to their designation as "retainer" Pokemon and the chains were given by their to-be-seen leader.
They had the chains long before coming to Kitakami, it has nothing to do with Terapagos.
Im sure theres plenty of evidence of them running around with the chains in Hoenn and Kanto before arriving in Kitakami.
>it has nothing to do with Terapagos
There's no evidence of this, for all we know they were from paldea originally and got the chain there.
Then prove they're related to Terapagos.
All we know is that they came to Kitakami from another land unless you can prove that they came from Paldea it's unrelated.
>then how do they know of what the Loyal Three used to be like before they acquired their chains?
They don't. You're the one who catches them and records the function of the chains into the dex.
The burden of proof is not on me, you're the one who made the statement that they were not from paldea/never interacted with terapagos.
>The burden of proof is not on me,
It is, you made the initial claim.
I simply stated that they had them before they came to Kitakami which is shown in the game.
That means that you have some kind of evidence connecting the chains to Terapagos.
Ok morono
In other words, you hopped into a conversation, didn't know what was happening, used the term "burden of proof wrong" but think you aren't the moron here?
And this is why no one takes imagination theorists seriously.
If they had the chains before coming to Kitakami, then how do they know of what the Loyal Three used to be like before they acquired their chains?
The peach is to blame
It’s probably related to tera crystals anyways. It looks suspiciously similar to Glimmora
NOOOO IT'S IMAGINATION DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS
Imaginationgays
>THE POKEDEX IS CANON IT SAYS THE PARADOX POKEMON AREN'T REAL
>UHHH THESE DEX ENTRIES ARE WRONG IT'S CLEARLY IMAGINATION
The map descriptions and the dex do not contradict each other.
It's clear they just wished for the chains.
Imaginationgays in a nutshell
If it disagrees with their headcanon
>there's no evidence of that
If it agrees with their headcanon
>I don't need evidence, penny said x
Peach is endgame
I hope it evolves into a cute antro boy
>pokemon with basic cognitive function made specific wishes by the wish turtle
>professor had to create tera orbs and then spend 10+ years of their life building a time machine just for terapogos to grant their wishes
the coping is my favorite part
Well, yes. It doesn't take a lot to grant an idiot wisdom, a weakling power, or give beauty to the ugly.
The professor, meanwhile, wanted to not only build a Time Machine, but ALSO have it so that it pulled Pokemon from the Past/Future in order to see what the Pokemon of that era were like, and allow Past/Future and Present to harmonize in the same era.
so what you're telling me is that the professor used terapogos to create tera orbs and then for the next 10+ years never once made a wish but everyone else that interacted with the turtle did
No, they're saying that the professor's wish was to make a functional time machine, which they believed would take 10+ years to build, and it did take that long. They still had to build it by hand, Terapagos is just what makes it "work"
wait i thought the professor was being mind controlled when was it monkey paw
Timegays will be like, the clock moves forward, total point for timetravel, imagineers btfo.
so they're pretty much Pokemon Shadaloo then?
Munkidori = M Bison
Fezandippiti = Vega
Okidogi = Balrog
Timegays be like, Raikou was a giraffe, Ho-Oh btfo.
Wishgays be like, the pokemon wanted to be stronger so terapogos did it, timeschizos in shambles
>Sada's name means past
>Turo's name means future
>korai means ancient
>mirai means future
bros i've cracked the code it's imagination
i'm going to catch terapogos in a dream ball!
Timetravelbros are just dumb, they cannot be helped.
>look those 3 mons just came out of nowhere
>they also got titan forms for some reason
>must be the work of a time machine!
You're saying time travel is dumb but don't understand that Terapagos doesn't actually control time. It's crystals are just massive power sources capable of powering things up.
Is this why imaginationgays hate time travel? Because they don't understand it?
>Because they don't understand it?
This has always been the reason and I've been saying it since the start of all of this. They can't comprehend it so they don't think it's real. It's why people think the earth is flat. It's why they don't think we went to the moon. It's why they think life is a simulation. Shit is too complex to understand so they stick their fingers in their ear and deny deny deny.
time travel would be the most boring option out there and for that sole reason I would dismiss it. fortunately, there are plenty of other clues that point out that not only TT is for dull, hollywood raised dimwits, but is also not what's going on
Can you make me a list of Time Travel media you've consumed that you think this particular story would be boring?
its boring because it settles the question for good with an obvious answer. its like if the Code da Vinci would end in the first five minutes
>are there hidden meanings in this painting? no its just a regular painting. The end
Still way more elaborate and interesting. Celebi, Dialga have already introduced time travel, and Jirachi never really showed its potential. Connecting the dots in a satisfactory way to connect Area 0 to the AI to the loyal 3 and titan pokemon is just much more fun than "hurr time travel"
You're not answering my question. Can you please provide what time travel books, movies, tv shows, or video games you've played? What makes it boring to you?
You just posted it. Most pseudo garbage ever made.
You're confusing me. Is time travel boring to you because it's "obvious" or because it's convoluted?
If THATS confusing to you i will not suggest you watch any time travel shows...
No what's confusing me is that you dislike it, but the reason you dislike it isn't because it doesn't give some moronic bait and switch to stim your zoomer brain.
>OH MY HECKIN GOD THE STORY WAS ALL FAKE IT WAS IMAGINATION!!!
That's what you sound like
Projection.
>Celebi, Dialga have already introduced time travel,
They're time travelling pokemon but different time periods haven't really been explored in any significant manner. In the two canonical instances you have:
Celebi taking you back to watch Silver and Giovanni
Arceus sending you back to Hisui.
In both situations modern pokemon still existed so the evolutionary changes shown over time was never explored, hell, everyone expected a hisuian Magikarp because a few dex entries are about how it never used to be the flopping garbage mon we know it as. Granted SV didn't explore that either but it's at least dipping it's toes into it.
Anyway, in the case of SV we're talking about eras that are so far removed from anything we've seen in any other piece of pokemon media thus far.
>and Jirachi never really showed its potential.
Because Jirachi and wishing in general doesn't really have any story potential. Wishing is less for world building and more world altering, if you want to make a huge continuity change then that's when you use it.
>Granted SV didn't explore that either but it's at least dipping it's toes into it.
And by this I mean an older Magikarp not real world evolution in general because it's obviously exploring it. Poor wording on my part
This homie hasnt seen aladdin
You clearly haven't because that was about Al being a trickster, not the wishes themselves.
>The filmmakers thought the moral message of the original tale was inappropriate, and decided to "put a spin on it" by making the fulfillment of wishes seem like a great solution, but eventually becoming a problem
>fulfillment of wishes
?
Is that supposed to prove your point?
>Al tricks the genie into free wishes
>tricks jasmine into loving him
>Al remembers "mighty cosmic power, itty bitty living space" and tricks jafar into trapping himself
The entire thing is about Al being a clever street rat with the wishes just being a vector to progress the story rather than being majorly important.
Well beyond the fact that it was technically the solution to the story which also goes against your quote.
There's literally no evidence in game suggesting that.
>a vector to progress the story rather than being majorly important
Oh you are trolling ok. Good to know.
Ah, the old
>I have no counter argument so I'll just call him a troll
I've never had to resort to that fortunately.
Ah, the old
>say stupid shit
>get called out for it
Being a trickster isnt a fricking theme moron. The theme is that granting wishes isnt always the best thing its literally a quote from the fricking makers.
>The theme is that granting wishes isnt always the best thing its literally a quote from the fricking makers.
Which it clearly wasn't because wishing pushed the story forward
>trapped in the cave of wonders
>wish to be free
>you're now out
>want to be with jasmine
>wish to be PRINCE ALI FABULOUS HE ALI ABABWA
>win her heart
>Jafar gets the lamp, undoes everything and turns you back into a street rat while capturing your girl
>solution?
>get him to wish to frick himself over
And as a bonus the genie was wished to be free.
Wishing was always the solution in zmthe movie so they were talking out of their ass when they said it wasn't.
That's said no one said Aladdin tricking people was a theme, it was his character and always tied into just about every of the movie outside of the epilogue.
I can see why you believe in the imagination theory now. Even Disney movies are too complex for you.
>literally has a quote from the writers
>no that cant be it
Sorry i didnt know your autism is this severe.
Can you at least try to make an argument if you're going to continue?
I mean, appealing to authority doesn't matter if the authority doesn't even know the material properly.
>wishing in general doesn't really have any story potential
Weird because it's being used in SV
Which is the entire point of the matter - they WANT to have a definitive end of the story. That's why the DLC continues on where the main game's story left off, so they can bring their story to a conclusion for good. Sorry they don't seem to be supporting your theory.
Why would it be boring exactly?
>time travel would be the most boring option out there and for that sole reason I would dismiss it.
You're saying this in defence of dreams to life aka low tier reality warping that can be used to explain anything without any regard for rules and logic.
...Soo its basically batteries and not time travel? Gotcha.
This is what happens when you're a hillbilly and don't understand science.
Science says time travel isnt real.
We're not talking about time travel.
Actually science says time travel is theoretically possible but you know, the means would kill you before anything else.
It powers the time machine.
The main story requires time travel but not every use of Terapagos' power is time travel.
This isn't a hard concept to grasp.
>The main story requires time travel
it doesnt
You can't explain it without time travel that's why the imagination theory is 90% headcanon nonsense like Heath lying.
I can explain everything with magic or God made it happen so you are wrong.
Which makes it 90% headcanon.
Just like time travel.
Which only uses the game for evidence.
Which is 91% headcanon.
this is the kind of boomer who doesn't know the difference between a graphics card and a cpu
Honestly I'm not sure which is going to be true, I just think building up time travel as a major theme and then having it be a twist that it was actually Terapagos dream-weaving all along would be much cooler than just plain old time travel
How is a metric frick ton of plot holes they'll never explain cool?
Because he's an imaginationgay pretending to be a fence-sitter. That's why she wants le ebin bait'n'switch finish to the match.
Or he's a Russo stan and that actually sounds like good writing to him. Guess we'll never know.
It's worked shoot bro
I believe SV is the first instances of the opposing legendary Pokemon not existing in the same universe as one another and when its traded to the other game, its treated like a freakish Cyclizar and it drives me nuts that nobody acknowledges this.
All of the paradox mons are treated as if they aren't real in the opposite timeline game.
At least the Pokedex uses the occult magazines as a reference. The ride mons don't get shit by comparison.
It's the same with the other paradoxes from the alternate version, they don't exist in that universe, so to the pokdex they're literally just things from tabloids that were actually real for some reason. Occulture doesn't write about the box legend, so if you're playing Scarlet, there's simply zero information anywhere about Miraidon.
Okay, I want to step back for a moment out of the headcanon zone and look at what evidence we actually have
Time Travel Theory
- SV is past/future themed (Professor names, Paradoxes, etc.)
- The stated function of the Time Machine
- Paradox Pokemon existed during Heath's expedition, before the creation of the time machine but long after the point they should have died out, implying they were sent back via time travel for unknown reasons
Imagination/Wish Theory
- Originates from a leaker with a solid track record
- Frequent in-game dialogue about dreams and imagination (ex. Penny "Become who you really want to be" and Geeta "You go beyond my imagination so easily")
- No Volcarona-like fossils from the era Slither Wing supposedly hails from, suggesting it may not really be from the past
- The existence of the Beast Trio/Musketeer Trio paradoxes, foreshadowed by drawings in the Scarlet/Violet book that were not based on any real creatures, but rather were dreamt up in the artist's imagination
Other
- The lower levels of Area Zero feature strange symbols and indestructible plaques of unknown origin described as "beyond modern science." This could be a hint towards time travel, with people from the future with advanced technology travelling to the ancient past and leaving these symbols and plaques, or something more mystical. Unclear.
- All Paradox Pokemon (excluding the raidons) have one of the same two abilities and feature similar design elements (the past mons all being reptilian, the future mons all being robots). This could be evidence that they're all fabrications, not real creatures, or it could just be an Ultra Beast situation, where every one has the same ability despite coming from alternate universes.
- The Tera crystals in the Crystal Pool supposedly allow you to meet people who have died. This could be via time travel, or a manifestation of a desire to meet a lost loved one again. Unclear.
Anyone else tired of all the speculation, feel free to add on
Let me just fix this for you
>Time Travel Theory
>- SV is past/future themed (Professor names, Paradoxes, etc.)
>- The stated function of the Time Machine
>- Paradox Pokemon existed during Heath's expedition, before the creation of the time machine but long after the point they should have died out, implying they were sent back via time travel for unknown reasons
>AI technology doesn't exist in the modern day
>Arven foreshadowing the use of the time machine to complete the paradox
>Imagination/Wish Theory
>- Originates from a leaker with a solid track record
>- Frequent in-game dialogue about dreams and imagination (ex. Penny "Become who you really want to be" and Geeta "You go beyond my imagination so easily")
>Other
>- The lower levels of Area Zero feature strange symbols and indestructible plaques of unknown origin described as "beyond modern science." This could be a hint towards time travel, with people from the future with advanced technology travelling to the ancient past and leaving these symbols and plaques, or something more mystical. Unclear.
>- All Paradox Pokemon (excluding the raidons) have one of the same two abilities and feature similar design elements (the past mons all being reptilian, the future mons all being robots). This could be evidence that they're all fabrications, not real creatures, or it could just be an Ultra Beast situation, where every one has the same ability despite coming from alternate universes.
>- The Tera crystals in the Crystal Pool supposedly allow you to meet people who have died. This could be via time travel, or a manifestation of a desire to meet a lost loved one again. Unclear.
>AI technology doesn't exist in the modern day
This is explained as being possible through the power of the Tera crystals. We don't know how exactly it works, but we know the AI did not come from the future. This is a decent point but belongs in the Other category
>Arven foreshadowing the use of the time machine to complete the paradox
This is a reiteration of the point of the Paradoxes existing pre-time machine, not a separate point
>Two removed points
Please only add
>but we know the AI did not come from the future.
The AI doesn't have to come from the future, someone with the knowledge could.
>This is a reiteration of the point of the Paradoxes existing pre-time machine
Not exactly, Arven's last lines are about the text but it's explicit foreshadowing.
>Please only add
Reasons for the removal are here
>The AI doesn't have to come from the future, someone with the knowledge could
Totally true, but we have no evidence for that, which is why I think it should go in the Other category. It's possible, but still requires heavy speculation and would contradict existing dialogue somewhat, so it shouldn't be counted as explicit evidence until TID comes out and it's proven one way or the other
>Not exactly, Arven's last lines are about the text but it's explicit foreshadowing
Not sure I get your meaning here. He mentions finding a copy of the book in the school entrance hall, so it's not meant to be the same copy that disappeared with the professor, and then the rest of his dialogue is about the Paradox Pokemon themselves. Did I miss something?
>Reasons for the removal are here
Ah, thank you kindly. I do disagree though. Slither Wing's Occulture article should maybe be moved to the Other category, since it doesn't really support the imagination theory so much as it casts doubt on time travel. It had to come from somewhere, but there's no evidence of that somewhere being the past. And I included the Beasts/Swords point because their foreshadowing drawings explicitly mention the artist's imagination. The actual mons being separate and not 1:1 recreations could be a point against this, but I wouldn't say it debunks it entirely. It feels too relevant to exclude
These
> No Volcarona-like fossils from the era Slither Wing supposedly hails from, suggesting it may not really be from the past
> The existence of the Beast Trio/Musketeer Trio paradoxes, foreshadowed by drawings in the Scarlet/Violet book that were not based on any real creatures, but rather were dreamt up in the artist's imagination
Don't support imagination. In fact the former would suggest time travel, if volcarona fossils couldn't by found because you know, evolution.
But it also from Occulture so it's not evidence for anything
The beasts and swords go against imagination outright since they're six separate pokemon with completely different traits not shown in the imagined combinations.
Also, according to the datamine there's not enough space for two combinations.
you forgot herba mystica having no set effect and just doing whatever the person eats it wants it to do
That's not a thing, the herbs have set effects we read in the book and see in game when Arven feeds Mabosstiff.
>But I believe it! I think what it says is true! And according to this book, eating all five Herba Mystica can cure anything that ails you! Case in point, Mabosstiff's paws were cold as ice before he ate that last herb. But they've warmed up a little now—I'm sure they have!"
>Bitter Herba Mystica is good for one's blood circulation and helps warm up the body, even boosting the immune system.
The only time it differs is when it's used as a gameplay mechanic which has no bearing on the lore.
>
>conflating game mechanics with lore
BROS SYLVEON BECAME TERA FAIRY
IT USED ITS IMAGINATION TO BECOME ITS TRUE SELF
A FAIRY TYPE
BROS SYLVEON BECAME TERA FAIRY
IT USED TIME TRAVEL TO BECOME ITS TRUE SELF
A FAIRY TYPE
you know you've lost the plot when your crackpot theory gets mocked and you try to act like the other side was the one that invented it
>doesnt count
every time
This is why they stick to writing stories for children.
Even when they do, no c**t has the required functional reading level to understand it.
Seriously man, put time-travel into anything and watch the brains pop headgaskets trying to wrap themselves around it.
I have no idea why people have so much trouble understanding time travel when the first thing most stories about it cover is the mechanics.
This gay has been sitting in this thread all day and when he runs out of responses he goes
>oh you're trolling
and runs away
Why can't it be both?
>terapagos grants wishes/desires
>professor wants a time machine
>time machine appears
>the time machine actually works and it pulls pokemon from the past/future
>now there's a legit paradox causing paradox pokemon to show up in the past, current day and future
Anon, that's just time travel. The whole reason this "debate" exists is because there a handful of people who just don't like the idea of time travel.
>granting wish is time travel
Since when?
>The whole reason this "debate" exists is because there a handful of people who just don't like the idea of time trave
No its literally because Arwen said it doesnt make sense and people picked up on it.
>Since when?
Because if you're wishing for a time machine to use as a time machine it's just time travel.
You're not using the power of wishes to conjure a new pokemon based on what you think a prehistoric pokemon would look like, it's just a prehistoric pokemon.
Take FoP for example, when Timmy wishes for a time scooter he's not going back to an imaginary past that he wished for he's just going back to the actual past preventing his father from getting the trophy.
>No its literally because Arwen said it doesnt make sense and people picked up on it
That's foreshadowing anon, anyone with a brain picked up on the fact that there's a bootstrap paradox.
Nuh uh when they reveal Terapagos granted a wish to make a time machine i will say i was right.
Okay.
That's basically just pretending you were right rather than actually being right you know.
I mean, at that point you're just using the time travel theory and replacing the fact that they built it with a wish making it 99% what everyone supporting time travel was saying in the first place.
Pretending? No, i was right the whole time. Win is a win.
Sorry Anon, but I pretty clearly pointed out how it could be both in my post. I'm not sure how you could get just time travel from it. Basically Terapagos still grants wishes/desires/dreams and because of this the professor's desire creates a time travel machine (terapagos fulfilling the dream/wish) which then brings said pokemon to the past/present/future.
Once you have a time machine that time machine has to stay in the past/future/present which causes the paradox and paradox pokemon, but this still all stems from the professor dreaming for a time machine and Terapagos fulfilling that desire.
To me it just makes sense that it's both theories. But I'm not too invested either way, it's just fun to read other people's thoughts and theories.
>Basically Terapagos still grants wishes/desires/dreams and because of this the professor's desire creates a time travel machine (terapagos fulfilling the dream/wish) which then brings said pokemon to the past/present/future.
But anon, that's just time travel.
Yeah you wished for a time machine but now it's not the act of wishing pushing things forward it's the act of time travel.
The paradox pokemon aren't fakes imagined by the professor based on what's in the journal, they're just real prehistoric/future pokemon
The AI didn't get turned back into crystals, they just went into the past/future
Get it?
Because the basis of the wish/imagination theory is that the Paradox Pokemon aren't actually Pokemon from the ancient past/distant future, they're just creations of Terapagos pulled from the minds of the professors. This is the center of the argument.
So if both are true, if Terapagos did turn out to be a wish granter, and it granted the professors' wish for little time travel, meaning the Paradoxes really are from the past/future, then Team Time Travel wins and Team Imagination loses on the field that matters.
*literal time travel, ack
>time machine is real
>paradox mons not
what now
God you people are illiterate as frick.
Not an argument. Time machine can be real and Paradox mons can be not real at the same time.
No, no they can't.
If you wish for a time machine and get a time machine you just have a time machine. Where are the fakes coming from if you aren't wishing for fakes.
Yes, yes you can. You wish a time machine. You get a time machine, You put the time machine in a different room. You go to other room and wish for Paradox mons. You need to get better imagination bro...
The why wish for the time machine you moron?
You have to excuse him, imaginationgays don't think that far ahead.
>he doesnt want a time machine
Except the Paradox 'mons come from the time machine. On screen, no less
Post clip of Paradox Suicune coming from the Machine.
Play the game
The game that says time travel makes no sense? Got it.
The game that only suggests time travel and doesn't have a hint of imagination.
The game that shows a Master Ball containing a Paradox Volcarona out of the machine into the professor's hand. Doesn't matter if it came from another time or from Terapagos' butthole. Point is that this
is the most idiotic take I've seen all day, and that's saying something.
>doesnt matter
Nice post lol.
Deflection
Deflected back.
when did genie make aladdin spend 10 years building a machine before granting his wishes
>illiterate malding reply
And suddenly it's clear why this fellow dislikes time-travel as an answer...
>game introduces time travel
>pokemon are called paradoxes
>post game makes you question the validity
>introduce DLC character where their mission is to prove it to be true
Autists got baited by the game and now can't wrap their head around Briar existing.
>thinks hes smarter than the director
Typical time travel pseud, probably has steins gate posters.