itt: discussion and analysis of zodiac theory

i've been thinking a lot about zodiac theory recently and while i've never personally believed it myself, i figure it's only fair to have an actual discussion about it to any degree beyond "frick you zodiacgays", "frick you antizodiacgays" and the onslaught of "cope" and "seethe" that follows.

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Zodiactards are genuinely schizophrenic. There the same kinds of posters you see on /x/ fervently professing 'synchronicities'.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I can see the coincidences, but the people who push it are weirdly inconsistent. Like a fox isn't a dog, Cyndaquil could be called a mouse, but if we're just counting first forms Charmander isn't a dragon and Fuecoco is a straight up croc, and you can't have it both ways

      This. I'm only annoyed by it because of the goal-post moving. Zodiac believers see no logical fallacy in Typhlosion being nowhere near a mouse and ignore Charmander being a lizard

      No one said it has to be first forms either.

      The actual belief of zodiacgays is the fire starters take inspiration from the chinese zodiac while making its own spin on the concept (aka artistic liberties).

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >We are delusional
        Nice conscession

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Antizodiactards are genuinely glowing. There the same kinds of posters that go on a paranormal board to fervently profess atheism.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I can see the coincidences, but the people who push it are weirdly inconsistent. Like a fox isn't a dog, Cyndaquil could be called a mouse, but if we're just counting first forms Charmander isn't a dragon and Fuecoco is a straight up croc, and you can't have it both ways

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This. I'm only annoyed by it because of the goal-post moving. Zodiac believers see no logical fallacy in Typhlosion being nowhere near a mouse and ignore Charmander being a lizard

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No one said it has to be first forms either.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        So where does the badger and kitsune play into the Chinese Zodiac?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >t. Like a fox isn't a dog,
      its in the same family b***h

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        So?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          so that means they are both dogs

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            lol
            lmao

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >no argument
              every time.
              antizodiacgays have never had any argument

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                My argument is "Fenniken isn't a dog", you haven't refuted that

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                you have dyslexia? i just proved it was a dog.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                No, you proved it was related. The zodiac sign isn't "Canids", it's "Dog", don't disgrace Jackie Chan like this

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                the zodiac sign is canids.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                The zodiac sign is a dog. Ancient Chinese have zero fricks about whether foxes and dogs share the same genetical tree. For them, foxes and dogs are two different animals, you dumbfrick

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Prove it

                prove it

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Prove it

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            So by that logic, are zebras and donkeys horses?
            are orangutans and gorillas humans? are bees and wasps ants?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              mules are horses
              donkeys are horses
              zebras are horses

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Hold your horses

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                what about the others?
                Are you gonna argue that you're an orangutan?
                Because if zebras are horses, you're an orangutan.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                im a gorilla actually but since both are monkeys thats ok

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's pretty difficult to deny that they have been using the zodiac as some sort of guideline for the fire starters. 6/9 line up exactly, only cyndaquil and fennekin are outliers by the time they're fully evolved and those are still related to the zodiac counterpart. Fuecoco is obviously a mystery at this point, it could be an intentional break in the pattern or they could pull a snivy on us.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    wait i thought i was on the pokemon board?

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Foxes are dogs and GF considered Cyndaquil a rat.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I can't tell if people are so invested in it for real or it's just a game. It's a best real and at worst a coincidence, I have no idea why people seem to be so angry about it.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Stop promoting these schizos.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Looking at what we know and/or can reasonably imply about inspirations form dev statements:
    >Charmander
    Salamander = Fire came first with the turtle and frog inspirations for the other 2, evolved into a dragon because "dragons are cool"
    No known Zodiac relation
    >Cyndaquil
    Started as a bear, replaced later with another pokemon that wasn't even originally a fire type, no known theming for the trio, potentially part of a collection of zodiac themed mons in Johto, but more accurate rats exist
    No known Zodiac relation
    >Torchic
    Based on a fighting rooster, which gave it the Fighting type, no known theme for the trio
    No known zodiac relation
    >Chimchar
    Based on a character from a story with connection to monkeys, shares the theme with the rest of the trio
    No known zodiac relation
    >Tepig
    Based on the same story as Infernape, also shares a theme of non-american countries with the rest of the trio
    No known zodiac connection
    >Fennekin
    Shares an RPG class theme with the trio, possibly based on foxes being associated with magic, explicitly a Fennec Fox specifically
    No known zodiac connection
    >Litten
    Based on performers with the trio, specifically wrestlers known for animal theming, such as a tiger
    No known zodiac relation
    >Scorbunny
    Based on popular entertainment with the restof the trio, specifically soccer. Presumably chosen as a bunny because of the kicking/running connection to soccer
    No known zodiac relation
    >Fuecoco
    Explicitly a crocodile, no other theming known currently
    No known zodiac connection

    The fact that there has literally never been a reference to the zodiac that is clear if you aren't aware of the theory presents only one logical conclusion. The only "evidence" for the theory works exclusively if the theory is real. A theory can't be used to prove itself, so there is currently no way to prove it objectively.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >No known Zodiac relation

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        That image released decades after GSC and was not made by the same people as far as I know. It is not representative of the creators' intentions.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't know if A, so B is a fact
          Also if the intentions of the old devs were important you would have to defend things that were eventually retconned (like animals living among pokemon, or Mew being from Venezuela)

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't know A, so B is a fact
            If we don't know whether the creators agreed with the image, it can't be used to represent their intentions. When your entire theory is about exactly that, the distinction is important.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >If we don't know whether the creators agreed with the image, it can't be used to represent their intentions.
              Ok, I will give you that.
              >When your entire theory is about exactly that, the distinction is important.
              The theory is about what GF think, not about what GF was thinking years ago. Like I said, Pokemon (and any other series) evolves throughout the years

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Ironically pokemon actually have an official chinese zodiac, but zodiagays hate it.

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