i've been thinking a lot about zodiac theory recently and while i've never personally believed it myself, i figure it's only fair to have an actual discussion about it to any degree beyond "frick you zodiacgays", "frick you antizodiacgays" and the onslaught of "cope" and "seethe" that follows.
Zodiactards are genuinely schizophrenic. There the same kinds of posters you see on /x/ fervently professing 'synchronicities'.
The actual belief of zodiacgays is the fire starters take inspiration from the chinese zodiac while making its own spin on the concept (aka artistic liberties).
>We are delusional
Nice conscession
Antizodiactards are genuinely glowing. There the same kinds of posters that go on a paranormal board to fervently profess atheism.
I can see the coincidences, but the people who push it are weirdly inconsistent. Like a fox isn't a dog, Cyndaquil could be called a mouse, but if we're just counting first forms Charmander isn't a dragon and Fuecoco is a straight up croc, and you can't have it both ways
This. I'm only annoyed by it because of the goal-post moving. Zodiac believers see no logical fallacy in Typhlosion being nowhere near a mouse and ignore Charmander being a lizard
No one said it has to be first forms either.
So where does the badger and kitsune play into the Chinese Zodiac?
>t. Like a fox isn't a dog,
its in the same family b***h
So?
so that means they are both dogs
lol
lmao
>no argument
every time.
antizodiacgays have never had any argument
My argument is "Fenniken isn't a dog", you haven't refuted that
you have dyslexia? i just proved it was a dog.
No, you proved it was related. The zodiac sign isn't "Canids", it's "Dog", don't disgrace Jackie Chan like this
the zodiac sign is canids.
The zodiac sign is a dog. Ancient Chinese have zero fricks about whether foxes and dogs share the same genetical tree. For them, foxes and dogs are two different animals, you dumbfrick
prove it
Prove it
So by that logic, are zebras and donkeys horses?
are orangutans and gorillas humans? are bees and wasps ants?
mules are horses
donkeys are horses
zebras are horses
Hold your horses
what about the others?
Are you gonna argue that you're an orangutan?
Because if zebras are horses, you're an orangutan.
im a gorilla actually but since both are monkeys thats ok
It's pretty difficult to deny that they have been using the zodiac as some sort of guideline for the fire starters. 6/9 line up exactly, only cyndaquil and fennekin are outliers by the time they're fully evolved and those are still related to the zodiac counterpart. Fuecoco is obviously a mystery at this point, it could be an intentional break in the pattern or they could pull a snivy on us.
wait i thought i was on the pokemon board?
Foxes are dogs and GF considered Cyndaquil a rat.
I can't tell if people are so invested in it for real or it's just a game. It's a best real and at worst a coincidence, I have no idea why people seem to be so angry about it.
Stop promoting these schizos.
No
Looking at what we know and/or can reasonably imply about inspirations form dev statements:
>Charmander
Salamander = Fire came first with the turtle and frog inspirations for the other 2, evolved into a dragon because "dragons are cool"
No known Zodiac relation
>Cyndaquil
Started as a bear, replaced later with another pokemon that wasn't even originally a fire type, no known theming for the trio, potentially part of a collection of zodiac themed mons in Johto, but more accurate rats exist
No known Zodiac relation
>Torchic
Based on a fighting rooster, which gave it the Fighting type, no known theme for the trio
No known zodiac relation
>Chimchar
Based on a character from a story with connection to monkeys, shares the theme with the rest of the trio
No known zodiac relation
>Tepig
Based on the same story as Infernape, also shares a theme of non-american countries with the rest of the trio
No known zodiac connection
>Fennekin
Shares an RPG class theme with the trio, possibly based on foxes being associated with magic, explicitly a Fennec Fox specifically
No known zodiac connection
>Litten
Based on performers with the trio, specifically wrestlers known for animal theming, such as a tiger
No known zodiac relation
>Scorbunny
Based on popular entertainment with the restof the trio, specifically soccer. Presumably chosen as a bunny because of the kicking/running connection to soccer
No known zodiac relation
>Fuecoco
Explicitly a crocodile, no other theming known currently
No known zodiac connection
The fact that there has literally never been a reference to the zodiac that is clear if you aren't aware of the theory presents only one logical conclusion. The only "evidence" for the theory works exclusively if the theory is real. A theory can't be used to prove itself, so there is currently no way to prove it objectively.
>No known Zodiac relation
That image released decades after GSC and was not made by the same people as far as I know. It is not representative of the creators' intentions.
>I don't know if A, so B is a fact
Also if the intentions of the old devs were important you would have to defend things that were eventually retconned (like animals living among pokemon, or Mew being from Venezuela)
>I don't know A, so B is a fact
If we don't know whether the creators agreed with the image, it can't be used to represent their intentions. When your entire theory is about exactly that, the distinction is important.
>If we don't know whether the creators agreed with the image, it can't be used to represent their intentions.
Ok, I will give you that.
>When your entire theory is about exactly that, the distinction is important.
The theory is about what GF think, not about what GF was thinking years ago. Like I said, Pokemon (and any other series) evolves throughout the years
Ironically pokemon actually have an official chinese zodiac, but zodiagays hate it.