ITT: Pokemon with abilities that are useless for them
>Rock Head
>only learns Double Edge
Imagine if it could use Brave Bird and Head Smash.
ITT: Pokemon with abilities that are useless for them. >Rock Head. >only learns Double Edge
ITT: Pokemon with abilities that are useless for them
>Rock Head
>only learns Double Edge
Imagine if it could use Brave Bird and Head Smash.
you're a fricking loser if you can't make Rock Head work on dact
kys, he's not
Yeah, GameFreak are a bunch of fricking losers. Telll me something that wasn't obvious.
onligatory
Only correct answer.
Still wouldn't be OP.
- it's frail
- weak to bullet punch, vacuum wave, bullet punch, accelerock, and aqua jet
- zacian exists
- you know damn well some dweeb has a tailwind team with a dracovish
- head smash has 80% accuracy
>weak to vacuum wave
Who the frick uses vacuum wave?
>Who the frick uses vacuum wave?
Special Lucarios.
That's it.
All Lucarios are special.
the soviets
Mew
wouldn't be what
it's not weak to vacuum wave anyway
>uses roster
Now what, b***h?
Post elo.
I don't play Pokemon. only children does that.
All ESLs should be rounded up and publicly executed.
well thats not fair
>uses roster
uses what now?
>roost
Anon, it's only gonna lose flying after it uses it and only until the end of that turn while vacuum wave has priority..
>he's not using Gale Wings Aerodactyl
NGMI
>Still wouldn't be OP.
Yes it would, banded Aerodactyl would be a terrifying lead or cleaner
Until Zacian comes in.
Nearly everything gets fricked by Zacian anyway, so your argument is invalid. Play the game.
>meme uber mons
post discarded
- zacian exists
What a stupid argument, that can be applied to literally any pokemon that ISN'T Zacian, remove yourself from the genepool IMMEDIATELY you fricking homosexual
>- weak to bullet punch, vacuum wave, bullet punch, accelerock, and aqua jet
>puts bullet punch twice
>and vacuum wave which its actually neutral to
gotcha buddy priority exists
>zacian exists
Zacian isn't even a check because Aerodactyl just Dragon Dances before it comes in and OHKOs with Earthquake.
>Can't greentext properly
>Vacuum Wave
>This is yet to happen
>Every move below 100% accuracy is not reliable
move below 100% accuracy is not reliable
Unironically yes.
Focus Blast is a meme for a reason.
>Doubles
>VGC
>any mon without monster stats or outright moronic abilities or crazy situational niche ever taking a spot out of six
Stfu doublestard the Singleschads are talking
>aerodactyl isn't OP cause zacian exists (?)
frick you moron
>ignoring the fact anon also mentioned dracovish
>aerodactyl isn't OP cause zacian and dracovish exist (?)
How is that any less absurd?
Name ONE priority move that those two Pokémon are weak to.
Aerodactyl on the other hand is weak to:
- Accelerock
- Aqua Jet
- Bullet Punch
- Ice Shard
- Water Shuriken
And unlike Fisheous Rend and Behemoth Blade, Head Smash can miss. Also unlike Head Smash, Fisheous Rend's damage is increased by Strong Jaw and Rain. 105 Attack isn't considered good in today's meta and Mega Evolution is more than likely not returning any time soon.
Name one viable Pokemon that learns any of those moves, OHKOs Aero with them, and can also switch into banded Head Smash/Brave Bird.
The upcoming OP cum-stained fursuit shillmon in SV.
So there are none and Aero getting "countered" by priority is irrelevant. Got it.
>105 Attack isn't considered good in today's meta
According to who? Dragapult has 100 special attack, Zeraora 112 attack, Tapu Koko 95 special attack, Tornadus-T 110 special attack, unsurprisingly these are all Pokémon that make up for it by being extremely speedy. And yet Aerodactyl outspeeds even them after just one Dragon Dance.
I'm not saying that Zacian and Dracovish aren't OP.
I'm saying that "less OP than Zacian and Dracovish" isn't exactly a high bar to clear.
looks like another ez victory for me.
Abilities are often assigned for lore and descriptive purposes.
Aerodactyl is a monster made of rock.
Pressure and Unnerve are because Aerodactyl is so terrifying and dangerous that other Pokémon are scared of them.
It being able to use Head Smash and Brave Bird would make sense for lore reasons too.
>inb4 b-but aerodactyl's not a bird
Crobat. Checkmate.
>aerodactyl's not a bird
The easier checkmate is that all birds are dinosaurs.
but not all dinosaurs are birds.
Pterosaurs aren't dinosaurs, moron.
Cyndaquil isn't a rat either
True but neither is Crobat
Aerodactyl looks absolutely nothing like a pterosaur anyways.
Why doesn't Rampardos get Rock Head, then? Instead it has Sheer Force while Tyrantrum gets Rock Head? Shouldn't it be the other way around?
because Rampardos and Bastiodon can never have anything nice
They became extinct for a reason.
The latest reverse cope.
They were also successful enough to have abundant fossils for a reason.
That's not necessarily a measure of success, it just means they lived in an area where fossilization was common.
>the idea of a fossil pokémon being buffed upsets anon
Is Aurorus getting Power Gem really that blasphemous to your shitposting religion?
Zarude's Leaf Guard
>Generally useless ability
>It doesn't even fricking heal status, just prevents it in the sun
>While there are many grass types that benefit from the sun, the only other thing that benefits Zarude is Solar Blade
>It's fricking signature move not only heals status conditions, it also heals health
I know Zarude is a really good pokemon without an ability but it really got shafted on that department, could've had a cool signature ability or something
I mean the problem is just Leaf Guard being Hydration but worse for some reason
It's not JUST a worse, there are some vey situations where it could be better, like with hydration a faster mon could put you to sleep over and over again until your rain runs out while the same doesn't apply to leaf guard.
Zarude ability should have been Triage
Could've given it something like Scrappy and it still would've been more useful
Banded Aerodactyl
Timid @Life Orb
>Flare Blitz
>Head Smash
>Volt Tackle
>U-Turn
Ability: Unnerve
you mean Jolly
Rhyhorn and evos
ground type
ability:lightningrod
Lightning Rod is bad on Rhyhorn, but its not useless. You can still use it to draw lightning attacks in Doubles.
>Limber makes Stunfisk immune to paralysis
>Ground-type is immune to most common paralysis move
>Electric-types later gain complete immunity to paralysis condition
>lel but wat if I Soak THEN paralyze Stunfisk, a 32 Speed Pokemon???
I think Electric Surge would be a good fit for it
It would! I complained bitterly it didn't even get Electric Terrain in Gen 7, but Gamefreak finally gave it to Stunfisk in Gen 8. Electric Surge makes too much sense for this Ground/Electric mon apparently.
Gamefreak just has it out for the Stunfisk line
>only 1 ability, Mimicry
>no terrain moves of its own, so you have to pair it with a terrain setter in Doubles. Now you got two Pokemon of the same type!
>Ability gets rid of kino Ground/Steel typing for a generic mono-type that it doesn't have any good STAB moves for
>It does have Terrain Pulse to fix this issue, but this form of Stunfisk switches its higher special attack for higher physical attack!
Why Gamefreak. Just why?
The only real use I can find for this ability is as a Rillaboom switch-in on a mono-Ground team.
Here's what I would do:
Ability 1: Iron Barbs
(this gives it a useful ability equivalent to Static)
Ability 2: Mimicry
(replace Limber with this on regular Stunfisk too)
Hidden Ability: Sand Veil
(same as vanilla, sure whatever)
I mean if you wanted to really buff this thing, give it Arena Trap because THEMATIC.
Rhydon is fricked over in the same way as Aerodactyl by Rock Head, only worse because there is no defensible appeal to game balance. But Rhyperior has it pretty good with Solid Rock.
Depending from how Wave Crash works Defiant Empoleon might have an unexpected resurgence after being completely useless in four generations of existence.
It can get good mileage from Static but its problem is mostly having bad stats.
Meh. Solid Rock should make Double-Weaknesses act as if they're Resistances.
Defiant doesnt pop on self inflicted stat drops tho.
That has nothing to do with Wave Crash, it raises the action speed in Arceus, meaning that in core games it will probably be a priority move that causes recoil in exchange for above average power. Defiant just means it can catch stat drops to become immediately threatening and BTFO intimidators such as Landorus and Incineroar.
oh my bad confused the arceus skills, thought it was something that lowered action speed
>get most OP ability in the game according to smoggays
>Still borderline useless even with it
>terrible stats and movepool
>hurr why isn't it GOOD
Based moron.
Sherlock. Anyway, why are they banned (if they have Shadow Tag instead of Telepathy) then?
i don't understand the question. wobb hasn't been banned for like 15 years
You can't use it with Shadow tag in fanfic meta you mongol. Think it was banned from Ubers too
In doubles, sure, but in singles it can basically score you a free revenge kill against any offensive mon that's not strong enough to OHKO it.
>erm, then just OHKO it then????
This is everything that can OHKO Wobbuffet. I crossed out repeats of the same mon (distinctions like different sets, totems and gmaxes) and mons that don't exist in the current meta (megas and Hoopa).
And keep in mind, this is only the standard specially defensive Wobb set. The only one of these Pokemon that can guaranteed OHKO physically defensive Wobb is Crawdaunt, with Bisharp and Alolan Marowak just having a chance.
Wobbuffet isn't good against the general meta, but it shuts down an entire playstyle.
Couldn't you just run a boosting move and Wobbuffet now has to guess an encore, a destiny bond, or switch out against a pokemon that just set up unless it runs a focus sash and the opponent isn't using a multi-hit attack?
The thing about set-up moves (or any other non-attacks like toxic, leech seed, etc) is that you aren't going to be running those on literally every Pokemon. The Wobb user can just pick its target and get a guaranteed KO every time.
>Yeah no, not free because you will sacrifice Wob's hp for it and without a full health bar its literal fodder.
You're an idiot. KO'ing a Pokemon of your choice and getting to keep Wobb as a sack gives you a massive advantage in any game. This isn't a downside, it's literally the reason you use Wobb.
>Wobbuffett also autoloses to set up even if you Encore predict it unless you run Sash.
No, when you encore something into a set up move you just switch into your own set up sweeper and enjoy your free turn.
>free revenge kill
Yeah no, not free because you will sacrifice Wob's hp for it and without a full health bar its literal fodder.
Wobbuffett also autoloses to set up even if you Encore predict it unless you run Sash.
Why did it get Defiant over Competitive? I'm aware it gets Swords Dance and Aqua Jet but I don't see anybody run physical Empoleon
>Why did it get Defiant over Competitive?
There is a very simple answer to this and that's that Competitive was not an ability when Hidden Abilities were handed out in Gen 5.
As far as I'm aware the only HA that was released that actually got changed in Gen 6 was Scolipedes Quick Feet to Speed Boost.
And Chandelures Shadow Tag to Infiltrator
They were never available with those abilities. You couldn't legitimately get HA Chandelure until gen 6, and the dogs until gen 7. With Scolipede, you can get one with Quick Feet in gen 5 and it will change to Speed Boost if you transfer it up
And the legendary gerbil's got changed from flash fire/volt absorb/water absorb to inner focus
The initial large handouts of abilities and hidden abilities are responsible for a lot of the most terrible offenders when it comes to abilities.
A lot of Ground Pokemon were handed Sand Veil because they needed something and nothing more thematic to their design existed. That's why things like Golem, Gligar, and Donphan got it when they don't even live in sandy environments.
>As far as I'm aware the only HA that was released that actually got changed in Gen 6 was Scolipedes Quick Feet to Speed Boost.
+10 to Attack AND it's hidden ability being changed for the better.
Something that won't happen again for a long time.
Speaking of starters with useless abilities
>Meganium
>Delphox
>Samurott
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!
Meganium was because of a current ongoing Venusaur psyop narrative that TPCi is pushing on everyone.
They gave Serperior an even stronger ability than Venusaur, though, and Rillaboom too.
Masuda considers Unova his magnum opus and Galar is the Shill region so the grass starters there get to be good.
I don’t mind Shell Armor on the Unova form(more bulk and less weaknesses), it’s only lacking moves to take advantage of it like recovery move, Bulk Up, and Calm Mind but the Hisuian should’ve gotten Tough Claws instead(they made it faster at the cost of defenses and is weak to more types). Missed opportunity
Why not Intimidate for Unovan?
This is from the Pokédex to see if you think it can work.
>A simple glare from one of them quiets everybody.
>It's cry alone is enough to intimidate most enemies.
Intimidate would be great(especially when it gets Flip Turn) but I feel they'll never replace Shell Armor as it's the design's whole shtick
Yes.
Sadness
It doesn't? What the frick?
Spinda has no moves to take advantage of Contrary.
It had Superpower as a Dream World move but GF hasn't seen fit to add it to its normal movepool since.
Gen 3 scyther having swarm as its ability when the only bug move it learns is fury cutter, and I guess silver wind with its whopping 60 power and 5 PP as an egg move.
Normalize delcatty
Swarm should have been ability that boosts owner poer x 1.7 for each other bug with swarm on your side
I like the idea but 1.7x is a bit much
>boosts owner poer x 1.7 for each other bug with swarm on your side
Unless you're talking about active allies in doubles and triples and not about allies in the back in a singles format like how beat up works, that's absolutely insane. Carry 6 swarm mons, one of them being scarf volcarona, and lead with it. You have the equivalent of a belly drum built-in with no setup, whatever attack you click will most likely sweep the opposing team with little opposition if they don't have something for it specifically. Doesn't even have to be volcarona; heracross, scizor or galvantula to name a few are all absurd with this.
Even if you limit it to boosting bug moves only, it's terrifying because nothing is immune to bug and since 7 types resist it, not many teams account for it offensively, so chances are you're more prepared against EQ or stone edge than a mega horn sweep.
sap sipper HA for azumarill. Okay, grass immunity is nice, but azumarill is completely pointless with huge power
It can be used for surprise frick you perish songs.
? post elo
>Brave Bird
Aerodactyl isn't a bird.
Zubat line isnt either
>implying bats aren't birds
Zubat also isn't broken with Brave Bird. lmao
Aerodactyl wouldn't be broken with Brave Bird either. It'd hit harder, sure, but not that hard. There are stronger attacks from Pokemon currently in PU than Aerodactyl's Brave Bird. Gallade's Close Combat, Cinccino's Tail Slap, Archeops' Head Smash and Meteor Beam, Aggron's Head Smash, Glastrier's everything, Perrserker's Iron Head, and so on. You could say that the difference is that Aerodactyl is faster, and that's true, but it's also notably frail for a Pokemon with less attack than Unfezant (which hits monstrously hard with Brave Bird)
Aerodactyl wouldn't be either.
Maybe it would've been broken in gen 4 with Brave Bird (even then it's iffy) but definitely not now.
It has 130 speed in its stat, it 2HKOs Toxapex with max defense investment.
This thing would nuke your team. It's the shit eating grin option for late clean sweeping, it's broken, it's never going to happen.
>it 2HKOs Toxapex with max defense investment.
good
>umm don't you see it'll hurt the stall meta!!!!
we have an actual showdown council member here
Actually it would make stall better
>This thing would nuke your team. It's the shit eating grin option for late clean sweeping, it's broken, it's never going to happen.
>but zacian and dracovish are balanced
Proof that there is a major bias against Rock-type Pokémon induced by Game Freak.
Suggest that Aurorus should be buffed, and everyone starts screaming and hissing about how it would ruin game balancing and that "it went extinct for a reason" and "uh AKSHUALLY".
Suggest that Meganium should have something other than Leaf Guard, and people start growling and barking that it would make Meganium OP.
Suggest that Torterra should have Shell Smash, "WAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH IF EVERY POKÉMON IS GOOD THEN NO POKÉMON IS GOOD PLEASE LOOK AT MY STRAWMAN".
Suggest that Tyrantrum should have STAB biting moves "WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH JUST USE GARCHOMP AND IT WENT EXTINCT FOR A REASON™"
Suggest that Garchomp should have Dragon Dance & Close Combat, and everyone starts cooming and praising the suggestion as if Garchomp was a shitmon.
Frick all of you, and especially Game Freak.
>Look, Aerodactyl wouldn't be broken becuase.... ZACIAN!!!
Rofl
Yeah everything should just be broken to balance the meta.
You conveniently ignored me mentioning Dracovish to prop up any upcoming whataboutism arguments didn't you?
a 130 speed with 105 attack and a 120BP move with 100% acc and no drawbacks that is barelly resisted by anything LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO
that's a gimmick mon, some can be good some can be excellent. They usually get nerfed.
What you want is to turn Aerodactyl into a mini-mega fug.
>105 attack
>good
what year are you from?
>that's a gimmick mon, some can be good some can be excellent
Are ALL the fossil Pokémon supposed to be gimmick Pokémon? Then by your logic, they're all supposed to be good at the minimum. Oh wait, you're probably going to make exceptions and say "those don't count" because of the "Aurorus doesn't need a buff" Kool-aid reverse-cope.
Everything being broken is objectively better than only shillmons being broken.
Frick off. Aerodactyl deserves to be good after so many gens of being a shitmon.
This isn't being good though. It would be pure cancer.
252+ Atk Aerodactyl Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 100-118 (32.8 - 38.8%) -- 99.2% chance to 3HKO
Why do you lie?
And this is only marginally more than dual wingbeat from mega aerodactyl and that's only UUBL
It has 130 speed
You're forgetting something my dears.
And? It's not strong enough to OHKO anything without set up, nor is it bulky enough to set up on most things. You are absolutely moronic if you think brave bird is the difference between aerodactyl being NU like it is now or ubers.
what be a late game sweeper?
you're a brick wall that is bad at the game and has already been caught lying
you lost
cope
>caught lying
Me? you're the one who forgot to band the 130 speed mon with a 120BP nuke
>merely hope that the enemy lets all their remotely bulky mons die first and then it's really strong!
fricking shedinja is OP by this logic
+1 252+ Atk Aerodactyl Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 186-219 (61.1 - 72%)
+1 252+ Atk Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 166-196 (54.6 - 64.4%)
These are the actually relevant calcs. It's a lot of damage, you don't have to weaken it by much. And it's a lot easier to setup a Dragon Dance than you'd think, aside from the fact that forcing switches is trivial with Aerodactyl you can still do it relatively safely against the likes of Tornadus-T, Volcarona, Heatran, even Lando without rock moves. Or you can just band it and spam Brave Bird/Head Smash freely.
Thing is also that this is (as often is the case) a Pokémon that can be contained by more defensive teams (but is still able to win if played well) but just tears other offensive teams that aren't priospam or Barraskewda rain apart.
Rillaboom does the same plus has a broken priority move and healing and 4x resistance to eq plus overrides other terrains. What's your point Black person?
It's an archosaur just like birds
It makes sense thematicaly.
Not sure why Weavile has Pressure but I'm kinda glad that it does. Any decent ability would've made it broken.
What's the strongest possible and somewhat thematic ability that would keep Weavile balanced?
Hyper Cutter. or Inner Focus, since that one also blocks Intimidate in Gen VIII
Frisk, inner focus, unnerve, infiltrator, skill link, sniper, unburden. I also want to say stakeout but that one might be too much
>Frisk
I like this because it preserves Pressure's function on Weavile of scouting for speed tiers while also being useful for scouting sets in its own right.
>Infiltrator
This is probably the best you can do for Weavile (aside from my novel idea which I'll detail below) without turning it broken.
>Skill Link
A notable flaw of Weavile is the accuracy vs. power dilemma when choosing Triple Axel or Icicle Crash, and Skill Link Icicle Spear would invalidate that so I'd be inclined to say no.
>Unburden
This sounds scary with Psychic Seed but clunky to use.
>Stakeout
This would be broken on anything with better stats than Gumshoos, let alone Weavile.
My novel idea is to give it Intimidate. A automatic attack drop on something so frail most likely wouldn't be broken but it'd be interesting to see the degree of versatility to which it could be used.
Tough claws?
YOU FRICKING HOMOSEXUALS WANT BRAVE BIRD ON A THING WITH ROCK HEAD, 130 SPEED, 105 ATTACK
AND A GODDAMN MEGA EVOLUTION WITH 135 ATTACK, 150 SPEED AND TOUGH CLAWS
FRICKING have a nice day
Megas are dead and regular Aero wouldn't even be that good with it.
>regular Aero wouldn't even be that good with it.
I might have agreed before it got Dragon Dance, after a Dragon Dance you NEED priority or to keep your Toxapex/Slowbro/Melmetal healthy otherwise it's over. Getting a Dragon Dance off isn't even that hard.
>well in a vacuum durpadurp
fricking have a nice day holy shit
Aero would be way too OP as a late cleaner, just spam the shit out of that 120BP move with no drabacks. Oh wow remember when Talonflame was cancer using this move even though it would kill himself and having less attack?
Aerodactyl having Brave Bird and Head Smash wouldn't be OP if it was a cum-stained fursuit shillmon like Lucario is.
Pokémon balancing is dictated by marketing.
Lucario isn't even good moron.
It WAS good.
Some Pokémon were shit from the start, but /vp/ doesn't like it when people say that a Pokémon like Meganium needs a buff.
Who the frick said anything about Meganium?
Talonflame has PRIORITY moron. It also had versatility due to having a better type, being able to run defensive sets like it often did. 120bp priority is absolutely insane, even on a Pokemon with only 81 attack.
Talonflame is also still NU. It has only 4 less speed than Aerodactyl, so if fast Brave Birds were so OP Talonflame would surely still be high tier. Brave Bird on Aerodactyl would be perfectly fine. There are faster Pokemon that hit harder that are balanced. Zeraora, Dragapult, Barraskewda, and Tapu Koko are all faster and shit on Aerodactyl's damage output.
>Oh wow remember when Talonflame was cancer using this move even though it would kill himself and having less attack?
Talonflame was using it with priority, anon.
And besides, it also had priority Roost, which was an underrated waspect to how OP Talonflame was.
at this point in powercreep it would be strong but not a world beater and there is somewhat a president for it
>Archeops: a pokemon with 140 atk and 110 speed and has head smash
>Mega Aero only has tough claws likely blowing itself up trying to oneshot something
>Dracovish's strong jaw boosted fisheous rend is stronger
I could totally see them giving Aero one of the moves sometime down the line
FRICK I forgot it got dragon dance
Dragon dance 6 times in a row, see if I give a shit
>252+ Atk Life Orb Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Aerodactyl in Grassy Terrain: 294-347 (97.6 - 115.2%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
>252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Aerodactyl: 278-330 (92.3 - 109.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
>252+ Atk Choice Band Weavile Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Aerodactyl: 288-342 (95.6 - 113.6%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
>take like 10 or 20 evs from attack to defense
>suddenly your argument is invalid
>inb4 stealth wieners
Why is Stealth Rock damage not a valid point? Aerodactyl is weak to Rock, it takes 25% from switching in.
Your point is those moves counter this buffed Aerodactyl, adding variables that counter Aero is just moving the goalposts.
If, hypothetically, you set up Aero with 6 DDs and you didn't hurt it beforehand, that's ggs and your prioritiy moves aren't enough.
That wasn't my point. My point was that Aerodactyl is so frail even your hypothetical monstrously OP Zacian-tier Aerodactyl (after only getting Brave Bird and Head Smash!) would lose to anything with priority.
Even with full PhysDef investment it still gets OHKO'd 50% of the time from full by Scizor.
>252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Aerodactyl: 336-396 (92.3 - 108.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
And there you have an actual counter, unlike the ones you posted before. Slap me now b***h you wont
Learn to identify strawmen and why it's not worth replying to them.
>252+ Atk Life Orb Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 20 HP / 20 Def Aerodactyl in Grassy Terrain: 286-337 (93.4 - 110.1%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
>252+ Atk Choice Band Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 60 HP / 60 Def Aerodactyl in Grassy Terrain: 310-366 (98.1 - 115.8%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
You can take even half the attack EVs away from Aero and it'll still eat shit from Rillaboom
you're moronic
LOL ok. Well back to reality then, where Aero isn't broken.
Why the frick does Aura Break even exist? All it does is make Xerneas and Yveltal deal 25% less damage instead of 33% more. You can't even use it on the best form of Zygarde, and the other 2 forms have stats so far below Xerneas and Yveltal that you'd never want to use it in any format with them.
Game Freak had to give Zygarde one of the most broken moves in Pokemon for it to stop being completely outclassed by Garchomp, and Garchomp isn't even a legendary. Zygarde basically plays with no ability to make up for having Thousand Arrows.
I should mention that it only affects the Fairy and Dark type moves boosted by said auras. Yveltal can easily just switch to spamming Oblivion Wing instead of Dark Pulse or Knock Off. Xerneas still dumps on Zygarde with Moon Blast even with inverted Fairy Aura.
If there were more aura abilities it'd make sense
Speaking of which, why IS Oblivion Wing a flying type move and not a dark type move? I thought it was a Dark move for so long just based on its animation and name. Mandela effect.
I'm guessing it's because Fairy Aura doesn't boost Xerneas' signature move either, and Game Freak didn't want to play favorites.
>Game Freak had to give Zygarde one of the most broken moves in Pokemon for it to stop being completely outclassed by Garchomp
Game Freak can nerf Garchomp and buff all the weaker non-legendary Dragon-type Pokémon, but then everyone would just throw a hissy shitfit over Flygon having a better Attack stat or Tyrantrum having better Speed and Special Defense
Game Freak can't really nerf Garchomp. It's good even with the most basic moveset. Sure, you could take away Stealth Rock from it, but it still would be able to go with ol' reliable Earthquake/Stone Edge/Outrage/Fire Blast (or Swords Dance).
You also can't nerf Garchomp's stats since it's a psuedo legendary and will always have 600 BST.
>Game Freak can't really nerf Garchomp
They already did in a big way
>You also can't nerf Garchomp's stats since it's a psuedo legendary and will always have 600 BST.
Don't underestimate how fricking moronic Game Freak can be. If they made Hisuian Avalugg worse than Kalosian Avalugg, they can do anything.
There's a reason you don't see any Avalugg in modern day Sinnoh. It's because the regional Avalugg was so shit it got BTFO by all the little Machops running around
>rock and ice being shit is a good thing because of survival of the fittest
Is this the latest shit reverse-cope that people cling to now?
Hey, both Ice/Rock types are extinct for a reason
Hey, Aerodactyl went extinct for a reason despite being the terror of the skies.
Just like real dinosaurs.
That's because the Ice Age gave way to Mamoswine, which walked the Earth and OHKO'd all Aerodactyls with a cheeky Ice Shard.
Aerodactyl has GENWUN privilege though.
>NU
>Genwun privilege
Aerodactly is Rock type because it's a fossil. All fossils are Rock-type except for the newest ones because Game Freak decided they don't give a shit about consistency or quality anymore since you'll just buy their turds anyways.
The Galar fossils would've been part Rock if they weren't hybrid abominations.
>Arctophoca is a pleisosaur wearing a parka
>Aerodactyl is a Rock type because <headcanon>
>There's a reason you don't see any Avalugg in modern day Sinnoh.
What a fricking shitmon.
Obviously there's no more H-Zoroark because this chad wiped them out.
>not even in the Sinnoh dex
moron alert
>No ability
No wonder it got clapped
Weaviles hunted those into extinction
>extinction
They seem to be "alive" and well in gen 9's region
To be fair Sinnoh's timeline is out of wack, and these games might have more in it.
Dialga/Arceus/Celebi/whatever other time manipulating legendary could be introduced probably dragged a few of them along for the ride at some point
The only remaining ones are the ones actually clever enough to remain in hiding.
You can take points off speed and put them in special defense or something, nerfing its speed tier while keeping the BST intact.
Zygarde should be able to change into its Perfect forme without Power Construct. It’d be fine with regular Aura Break as its ability, though perhaps it should neutralize the effects if Fairy Aura and Dark Aura completely
What ability would fit zygarde? Swarm? Analytic? Shed skin? Pressure? What would a new signature ability for it do, assuming the effects of power construct were built into the pokemon and not the ability?
Pressure would still be preferable and thematically fitting. You could give it an ability that is to terrains what Cloud Nine or Air Lock are to weathers, too.
Yeah, Zygarde actually has the bulk to make good use of Pressure. It also has Thousand Waves and Spite so you could make a gimmick out of it.
>Why the frick does Aura Break even exist? All it does is make Xerneas and Yveltal deal 25% less damage instead of 33% more.
Doubles, probably. Same thing with Misty Terrain which halves Dragon-type damage despite the only mons who have Misty Surge being Fairy-types who are immune to Dragon.
Zygarde is a restricted Pokemon though, so you'd never want to give up a precious restricted slot to mildly inconvenience Xerneas or Yveltal with a Pokemon that only has 600 BST (not to mention its stat spread is also lackluster).
If it was built into Power Construct, it'd be fine. I could see people using Zygarde-Complete rather often since it is a good Pokemon that can stand up to Xerneas and Yveltal.
>Game Freak had to give Zygarde one of the most broken moves in Pokemon for it to stop being completely outclassed by Garchomp
Yeah, Zygarde would still be OU if it didn't learn Glare.
Zygarde-100% should've just been its own form, not tied to an ability.
Aura Break could allow ground moves to hit flying types, dragon moves to hit fairy types, and maybe even allow psychic moves to hit dark types just to be extra spicy.
Also, fricking give my boy(s) Recover. A flatworm cell Pokemon should be able to regenerate.
Anything with volt/water absorb/flash fire despite having resistance to that type already.
Please stop shilling scizor. Post your elo already.
What's wrong with Scizor?
It's not a serious OU mon.
It was when Kyurem was around
Every legendary with pressure except deo-D
>what is eternatus
Kyurem makes good used of it.
>No Guard
>lowest accuracy move is 85%
>Keen Eye
>Steadfast
Sand Rush is okay but there's about a dozen or so better sand sweepers plus it already has 112 speed+priority. I wish it got Tough Claws like it's moronic cheeto-coloured cousin.
>ITT stupid motherfrickers actually defending broken mons
I know they're never going to do it, but they really should go back and re-examine some of the Pokemon ability choices. Or add 4th abilities. If they can go back and tweak stats or sometimes change an ability between games, there's no reason they couldn't also do this
>I know they're never going to do it, but they really should go back and re-examine some of the Pokemon ability choices.
It happened before with Scolipede's Quick Feet being changed to Speed Boost (HA) in gen 6, and that was the only time there any Pokémon had one of their abilities changed outside of ROM hacks.
Scolipede's regular abilities are Swarm and Poison Point.
Quick feet: increases Speed by 50% if the Pokémon has a status condition.
Speed Boost: Speed is increased by one stage after every turn.
Also got a +10 to Attack in gen 6 as well from 90 to 100.
They also changed stats for a lot of other mons. And also abilities for Chandelure and Gengar. But what I think the poster was getting at is more they need to do big sweeping changes for a lot of other Pokemon which will probably never happen. Maybe breaking up who is available each generation helps cut down on the amount they need to look at?
>Maybe breaking up who is available each generation helps cut down on the amount they need to look at?
I like this stand-up comedy show of yours.
For me it's not so much useless abilities that annoy me but some Pokemon not getting reworked or new abilities post release. I think one of the reasons game freak made megas and regionals is to fix older Pokemon in this capacity, but it's such an ass backwards way when they could just go back and change the ability or typing or stat or whatever. Just a few examples of gen 1 monsters that come to mind:
>Electrode has Static, Soundproof and Aftermath. All three make sense for flavor, but so do Motor Drive and Lightningrod which work with the stats and the actual description of it in the Pokedex (which says it absorbs electricity to pick up speed / explode). Competitively both abilities would work better too since it's mostly a suicide lead/disruptor anyway
>The Lickitung line doesn't get Gluttony. Just like them not getting Lick in Gen 1...
>Victreebel still only has two abilities: Chlorophyll and Gluttony. Why not give it something unexpected like Corrosion or Aroma Veil? Both match its lore and personally I think giving it Corrosion I feel gives it a really cool niche, especially if they tweak Corrosion to let you hit Steel with any poison move
>Hypno in general needs love. It has three kind of pointless abilities that don't help it much (Inner Focus, Insomnia and Forewarn). I don't think it will get Bad Dreams but it's definitely got potential for some sort of ability that buffs sleeping moves or something
a thread full of people who are terrified to actually look at things in practice
stabmons aerodactyl (where it can freely use brave bird and head smash) is considered one of the best pokemon in the game, and has consistently high usage (ranging from 22% at all elos, to 10% at 1760+). this places it somewhere between cinderace and kyurem (both of which are banned to ubers in standard play, and both of which actually benefit a bit from stabmons rules thanks to new access to fire lash and icicle crash/ice shard respectively).
it certainly has its flaws (most notably it likes to run choice band so it's super vulnerable to stuff like sneaky pebbles and various chip damage) and it's also benefitting from accelerock here (not that it needs it, given its 130 speed), but i think if aerodactyl is really good in a scene as strong as stabmons, it's probably going to be a problem in regular play