ITT: vidya villain tropes you hate

ITT: vidya villain tropes you hate

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this trope done right is one of my favourites actually

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >UHM, ACKSHYUALLY---
      Debunked.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Uh, sorry sweetie. Snopes fact checked it.
        Undebunked.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it was kino in metal gear rising

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I could kill you where you stand!
    >...but that would be too easy. Fight my minions instead. I shall take my leave.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I want to destroy the world just because lol

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I have a generic sympathetic backstory to make the player feel bad for me because villains can't just be evil or sociopaths.

      I like a villain with depth but it's usually done in such a cliche' way nowadays.

      At least make the villain go crazy so his lack of logic doesn't make any sense.

      Hmm...the duality of villain motivations I see.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I was thinking of sephiroth for

        >I want to destroy the world just because lol

        as a 'no reason lol' guy, but he is evil to us, and rational according to his alien nature.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But that's not Sephiroth. Dude was already was already unhinged because of growing up like a lab rat + constant admiration of being the strongest.
          Then he finds out he's a monster experiment and we fight him while he's playing a 5d chess battle with an alien parasite in his mind.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sure sure, what about: Sephi is the product of human experimenting with nature/alien, we cannot know when the alien will repossess his blood.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          he literally has a reason though. he has the blood of a powerful alien species that humans tried to use for their benefit while hiding the truth from him, which is why he hates and wants to kill us all

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is based
      not every villain needs a sobstory

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Jack Horner was the best surprise in Puss and Boots
        No Twist Villain
        No Sob Story
        No Subversions
        Just a complete asshole

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sundowner was one of the best villains to grace this godforsaken earth.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I love this one

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And who is this?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fandaniel from final fantasy 14

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Some people are just assholes. I think it's a woeful display of zero awareness for anybody on this basket weaving to not understand such a basic concept.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I have a generic sympathetic backstory to make the player feel bad for me because villains can't just be evil or sociopaths.

    I like a villain with depth but it's usually done in such a cliche' way nowadays.

    At least make the villain go crazy so his lack of logic doesn't make any sense.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone wants their villain to be Shylock but they forget that abuse he received doesn't justify the abuse he gives to others.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shylock was right tho? He just got fucked over by everyone else

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I want to destroy the world just because lol

      >AMBITIOUS STORYTELLING... BAD
      >CHEAP GOYSLOP... GOOD

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based anon that has read his fair share of stories.

      >I want to destroy the world just because lol

      Cringe zoomer that watches marvel movies.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why not both be sypathic and crazy?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sympathetic*

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Name 10 games

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NotSoDifferentRemark/VideoGames

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >All life is suffering because, uhhhh
    >I had a rough childhood, OKAY???
    >Now it's time to destroy the world

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this. Come up with an actual motivation, you hacks!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >All life is suffering because, uhhh
      >*villain proceeds to read off of Schopenhauer and Zapffe's bibliographies*

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Literally me

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >villain actually cares about his minions and treats them like family

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this can be supremely based when spun in a different way
      it's got unexplored potential

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No fuck this guy's subbordinates they're all annoying as FUCK. Ruined the arc for me.
        DUHUHUHUHUH DOFEEEEE DHUHUHUHUHUHU

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Villain teams being bros with each other is based and horribly underutilized

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Villain is way, way more competent and forward-thinking than the side the PC is on.
      >But still has a goal that is wholly incompatible with the PC

      The best. Enemies you can respect and admire, yet STILL need to kill (and probably need to kill BECAUSE of this) are the fun ones.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm going to detonate a super weapon which will kill countless innocents, it will be muh legacy

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      people do this in real life

      Throwing a fit over losing.
      >N-no! This cannot be! My plans! My troops! All gone! How could you defeat someone as great as me?!
      ... and so on. It fits if the villain was always supposed to be a weak person, but if he was an actual threat and a clever person it just make him look stupid and takes away the joy of defeating him. He can be humbled and defeated and still have some dignity.

      you'll get the point of this trope someday

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Throwing a fit over losing.
    >N-no! This cannot be! My plans! My troops! All gone! How could you defeat someone as great as me?!
    ... and so on. It fits if the villain was always supposed to be a weak person, but if he was an actual threat and a clever person it just make him look stupid and takes away the joy of defeating him. He can be humbled and defeated and still have some dignity.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the antagonist is the protagonist from the future

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it was done well in inFamous 1

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It really wasn't

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the antagonist is the protagonist from the past

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the protagonist has amnesia

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The protagonist has amnesia
          >Hear about this mysterious guy constantly who is just the biggest dick asshole in the entire universe and everyone hates them
          Wonder what's gonna happen

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the antagonist is the protagonist from the first game

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the postgame optional superboss with 18 phases and 50 different fight-specific mechanics that requires a calculator and extremely careful planning to not get instantly wiped out is the protagonist from the first game

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Final boss is the game's superboss

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >original game has 3 canon protagonists
          >all 3 become bosses in the sequel

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Name 5 games

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Diablo 2
              Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction
              Diablo 2 Remastered

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hate when badguys pull a "I WAS TRYING TO STOP A BIGGER THREAT" out of their asses.

    FFXV is the worst offender because this reveal IS IN THE 6TH PIECE OF DLC, the Ardyn DLC

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I don't need to talk to you or explain what I am doing, I am SO FUCKING SMART. The most you get from me is a quote from some fucking 1800s book the writer read before writing this dumb shit

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      C O M P L E X
      M O T I V E S

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >villain wants to control everyone to save the world with order or whatever
    >to the point that they're actively willing to mindwipe, crush people with force or commit actual genocide to meet his gials
    >throughout the game they've showed no desire whatsoever to listen to the protagonist or his friends/family, maybe even mocked them
    >suddenly during the final battle they crack and instantly give up after one fight with the sole reason that they're told this is actually hurting people or becoming the thing they hate
    >then the villain sacrifices themselves to save the protagonist in the same cutscene

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      man, i hope this shit game never happend

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It happened in Rune Factory 5 (minus the genocide) for an example, but this general villain type is fairly common.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NOOOOOO YOU'RE NOT ME

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    only time that I got upset by a villain's backstory was in Army of Two: The Devil's Cartel
    >third installement in a series
    >the villains are the protagonists of the first two games
    it just didn't feel right.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I am a twisted villain. I want to save the world / humanity and free them of pain, and the only way is to destroy all humankind because they won't be in pain if they're dead.

    Okay Seymour/Mithos/[insert most JRPG villains] we get it, you have parent/dead sister/[no friends/family] issues.

    At least fess up to hating everyone because of your shit childhood/dead sister/[general mistreatment of others].

    I'd respect omnicidal maniacs if their insane logic had internal consistency in the context of their insanity or they fessed up to the protagonists that actually they just hate everyone, fuck them all, and they're taking the world with them.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >If you kill him you're no better than him

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wow, he really cracked him up there.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >main character can’t kill villain
      >villain gets killed by secondary protagonist or dies in some retarded way

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >main character can choose to kill the villain
        >if you don't do it a side character gets impatient and kills the villain himself

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          God Fable 2 was such shit.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fable 2 is the only one I remember.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Borderlands 2 did it too.

            >I am a twisted villain. I want to save the world / humanity and free them of pain, and the only way is to destroy all humankind because they won't be in pain if they're dead.

            Okay Seymour/Mithos/[insert most JRPG villains] we get it, you have parent/dead sister/[no friends/family] issues.

            At least fess up to hating everyone because of your shit childhood/dead sister/[general mistreatment of others].

            I'd respect omnicidal maniacs if their insane logic had internal consistency in the context of their insanity or they fessed up to the protagonists that actually they just hate everyone, fuck them all, and they're taking the world with them.

            >I'd respect omnicidal maniacs if their insane logic had internal consistency in the context of their insanity
            Like Old King in Armored Core: For Answer?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yakuza every single fucking time

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Worst part of Xenoblade

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fuck you I love Vegeta

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >We live in a soci- ACK

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this kinda worked well with Swords and Sandals 2 though

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >villain is on the ground with a gun next to them
    >protagonist and side characters walks away from him
    guess the game

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yakuza

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I liked it when Zenos called us out on it and we could agree with him and then proceed to punch each other to death

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he's just like me

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >game 1
    >all villain cares about is conquest and manipulates to get his way
    >dies to a hero's sacrifice
    >game 2
    >game 1 villain was actually setting everything up to beat the bigger badder villain but he never told anyone his actual plan at the time

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >villain in the first game is some dude who just seems evil because evil
    >villain in the second game appears kind of tragic but is actually just manipulative
    >villain in a future game of the series turns out to be the original person of the person he possessed of which the 2 persons in which this person split were the villains of the previous games

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This sounds familiar but I can’t remember

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have never played Kingdom's Hearts at all beyond the first game years ago, but I am 100% certain this is Kingdom Hearts.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          kek, yes its kingdom hearts. And im not a loremaster or anything this was just what I vaguely remembered

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Villain has manipulated literally everyone (including you) in an extremely convoluted plan perfectly for thousands of years to make an insane power grab
    >Fails to consider you beating them afterwards

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      game?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Monster Girl Quest

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >porn game
          >plot

          lol

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Borderlands 2 except it was only 5 years

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >if you kill a killer, the number of killers in the world stays the same
    Now, what if I kill TWO killers?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      then you're already too far gone and need to be brought to justice

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Literally Punisher.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    “It was ME, you’re evil relative that you don’t remember, nor was my identity hinted at throughout the game”
    >RUINER

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I want to eradicate all life because my girlfriend died

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      count bleck Super paper Mario

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"I'm not a bad guy, really I'm not..."
    >does only evil and greedy things

    It's worse with the hero. New Kratos from GOW was especially guilty of this
    >"You don't want to know what I've done. Don't tempt me I don't care about good or evil."
    >goes out of his way to do kind and righteous acts and avoid evil, more convenient ways.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most mentions of good and bad guys to your opponent make me roll my eyes a little, why would you try to convince your enemy by saying you are not a bad guy
      It's fine when used in combat as a callout
      >good guys = friendlies
      >bad guys = hostiles

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It can be good.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Technically they aren't the same person.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        young Karl looked the same as Charlie judging by Altera and Astolfo's memories.
        so Charlie probably has a lot of OGKarl on him in addition to all the italian fanfiction stuff

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Karl carried the game. Great presence and every one of his songs were great

      Technically they aren't the same person.

      Yeah they were.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        young Karl looked the same as Charlie judging by Altera and Astolfo's memories.
        so Charlie probably has a lot of OGKarl on him in addition to all the italian fanfiction stuff

        Karl de Grobe is the man who actually existed in history, Charlemagne is created from how people perceive the myth of Karl's legacy. There is some mixed in there because all forms of the grail are lazy, but just like Jack and Jack the Ripper they're not the same person.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Charlie calls Karl Charlemagne before the final fight
      >Karl calls Charlie Karl before the final fight
      kino

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >villain is literally me

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I have seen so much shit that this entire world must be purged
    >I am so suicidal that it's literally not enough for just me to die

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I am a HARD MAN doing HARD DECISIONS.
    Fuck you.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it is the most kino

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >if you kill him then you'll be just like him!
    Has there been ANY justification towards this? If his death will save millions of lives then of fucking course I'm going to finish him off. Hell, I'm sure his people would appreciate me killing their shitty tyrant of a leader so we can actually work towards some kind of liberation or peace.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I liked Max Payne 3 when Max is convinced to not kill the villian because his ally cop has more than enough evidence to sent him to jail and when the bad guy gloats he would still walk away, we get:
      >You'll walk, WITH A LIMP!
      >*Crushed leg noises*

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        3 is the one in Brazil, right? Should have killed him, Brazilian jails are either hotrible torture or a small vacation home, from where the top dogs command crime in cells with huge tvs, food brought by Uber Eats, and fuck whores every weekend.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It is a moral stance, not a practical one. The idea is not that killing is always inherently a wrong action no matter the context, but that killing as an ends and not the means is. Because of this it is usually presented at a time where the hero has already prevented the catastrophe or believes the fight to be over, IE the hero is standing over them with weapon raised.

      Most importantly to keep in mind however is that it is never meant to be taken literally, these are their political views and you won't actually be a war criminal or whatever. Although a little forced it is playing into the classic Hero vs Villain story. Soul Sacrifice Delta is a good example of this taken to its most extreme state in most of the stories.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's retarded. I don't care if their plan has been stopped.
        How is killing someone who tried to kill millions the same as killing millions?

        Every single person the Joker killed after Batman first caught him is on his head. Even Buddhists will kill to prevent evil. Just look at the whites who cried about Buddhists killing Muslims who burned Buddhist nuns alive.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Usually they explain Batman's policy by saying he knows he's insane enough that if he starts killing because it's easier he's never gonna stop

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >How is killing someone who tried to kill millions the same as killing millions?
          It isn't literal. The point isn't that you are literally hitler if you kill the villain under any circumstances, it is that you should hold yourself to a higher stand. I don't know why it is so hard for people to understand that stories, particularly Japanese stories which heavily lean on the Adventure/Hero's Journey format, tend to exaggerate points to hammer things home.

          In the real world self defense would likely just allow you to shoot him dead the moment you have enough reason to assume he is going to hurt a lot of people. Nobody except maybe the family would try to prosecute you and or condemn your actions, but that doesn't make for good entertainment. So instead they tie it all to the Hero's inner struggles and character growth.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's retarded and I hate you for attempting to defend it.
            The trope is terrible because it doesn't take into account the context of the game. There's a whole castle of dead goons, but I stop at the boss? How does that make sense? Trying to shoehorn in some vague moral high ground against a literal embodiment of evil, just comes across as a hack. The journey of a hero doesn't require the protagonist to become retarded at the final hurdle
            It was a huge issue in TLOU2 because you brutally murder a ton of random nobodies but save the one person you have a legitimate grievance against.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >It was a huge issue in TLOU2 because you brutally murder a ton of random nobodies but save the one person you have a legitimate grievance against.
              I know you didn't play the game, because in reality not only does Elie have a personal grievance with Abby, but Abby is also a horrible, evil piece of shit human being and unironically worse than anyone else you've killed, her entire motivation was simping for a bunch of mass murderers because she's a retarded meathead and the only reason Elie doesn't want to kill her is because she's the caretaker of an insane murder child, who you're supposed to feel bad for because he killed his mom after his mom deadnamed him even though in reality that just makes the child seem like yet another horrible murderous psychopath that needs to be put down. God I hate this shit game.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Honestly the whole game plot was trash, the gameplay was mediocre at least.
                Still, the cop out of not killing the main villian is hack writing for midwits who want to leave their audience with the least profound message in writing. It's not some epiphany or character growth, it's just cheap emotional writing especially if it's an irredeemable villian like emperor Palpatine or the Joker.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I liked a response I saw here back when it came out and shills were like 'oh it's actually more satisfying with the theme of cyclical revenge etc'.
                The response was that the theme Druckman was going for would have been more effective if Ellie (justifiably) killed Abbey like the dog she is, left the kid tied to the stake or whatever, and then went back to where she last saw Dinah when she asked her to desist from revenge. But Dinah is gone as Ellie chose revenge over her. Ellie picks up her guitar to play and remember Joel, but can't because Abbey bit off her fingers. It ends as she either cries or quietly contemplates that avenged Joel, but ultimately lost all the things his sacrifices and teachings helped her to build.

                THAT does a lot more with the concept of whether revenge is worth it than a hacky 'actually I'm ending the cycle' cliche. It's clear he wasn't willing to let Ellie develop logically and because of that he couldn't make the hard, narratively satisfying choice.

                If Ellie NEVER killed non infected in the game, then the current ending would work better. But she fucking murders a pregnant chick and other ancillary characters and countless faceless nobodies, but not Abby - the one who arguably deserves death the most (outside of the slavers).

                Why is Ellie held to this standard of not killing when Abbey ALSO could have made the decision to end the cycle by seeing Joel doing good for his community, especially after saving her ass? Both are protagonists that the game strains over making you identify with. The intended contrast between Ellie and Abbey being more similar than different falls so fucking flat in the context of the gameplay. But I guess that isn't surprising since LoU2 is ostensibly a movie first.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Abby is also a horrible, evil piece of shit human being and unironically worse than anyone else you've killed
                You are retarded, you kill a bunch of sadistic slavers right before the final confrontation with Abby.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And? The slavers don't have the mistaken belief that their actions are righteous, they know they're evil assholes who are just playing to win. Abby mistakenly believes herself to be a good guy, and will continue to carry out far more heinous acts as a result than a bunch of slavers who will die after capturing a couple of random people anyway.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It isn't batmat's job to decide that. I agree he should be dead, but that's on the criminal justice system.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People mock superheroes for this, but they need to remember superheroes are vigilantes that inherently break the law and the authorities don't have a reason to trust them and not try to arrest ro shoot them on sight as chaotic madmen. But if it's known that a vigilante won't cross a certain line no matter what, that gives them at least some notion of accountability and makes them more trustworthy, especially in a world flooded with vigilantes where having some of them as allies is preferable.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is a moral stance, not a practical one. The idea is not that killing is always inherently a wrong action no matter the context, but that killing as an ends and not the means is. Because of this it is usually presented at a time where the hero has already prevented the catastrophe or believes the fight to be over, IE the hero is standing over them with weapon raised.

        Most importantly to keep in mind however is that it is never meant to be taken literally, these are their political views and you won't actually be a war criminal or whatever. Although a little forced it is playing into the classic Hero vs Villain story. Soul Sacrifice Delta is a good example of this taken to its most extreme state in most of the stories.

        Something else is that, although most superheroes work outside the law, they still generally respect it. Them working outside the law is, ideally, just a result of authorities not being equipped to deal with supervillains. But they're not looking to change the status quo or overthrow the government. Which is why they believe in law and due process. If the law sentences a villain to death penalty, a superhero won't interfere, but they believe they have the right to make decisions like this and take the law into their own hands, only help uphold it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You don't even have to go that far, just look at the skeleton and it is easy to understand.
          >Villain kills out of hate
          >Hero hates Villain
          >If Hero kills Villain out of hate, both of them kill out of hate

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The biggest problem in DC is that their jails are a joke, and they need to be to keep the constant content coming, and that no group of people ever wants to change the status quo without it being completely retarded or evil Superman.
          I'm not mad that Batman didn't kill the Joker. I find ridiculous that Joker didn't die trying to escape custody or getting shanked in the shower when the cops let him there with other prisoners "by mistake"

          That's retarded and I hate you for attempting to defend it.
          The trope is terrible because it doesn't take into account the context of the game. There's a whole castle of dead goons, but I stop at the boss? How does that make sense? Trying to shoehorn in some vague moral high ground against a literal embodiment of evil, just comes across as a hack. The journey of a hero doesn't require the protagonist to become retarded at the final hurdle
          It was a huge issue in TLOU2 because you brutally murder a ton of random nobodies but save the one person you have a legitimate grievance against.

          Yeah, I can understand Batman's autism and autbor's fiat means he never kills no one, but a lot of games really push this shit. Especially when the heroes aren't some kind of modern law enforcement or bounty hunters. Why would a knight or a post apocalyptic survivor not execute the head of the enemy faction after beating him in battle?

          I liked a response I saw here back when it came out and shills were like 'oh it's actually more satisfying with the theme of cyclical revenge etc'.
          The response was that the theme Druckman was going for would have been more effective if Ellie (justifiably) killed Abbey like the dog she is, left the kid tied to the stake or whatever, and then went back to where she last saw Dinah when she asked her to desist from revenge. But Dinah is gone as Ellie chose revenge over her. Ellie picks up her guitar to play and remember Joel, but can't because Abbey bit off her fingers. It ends as she either cries or quietly contemplates that avenged Joel, but ultimately lost all the things his sacrifices and teachings helped her to build.

          THAT does a lot more with the concept of whether revenge is worth it than a hacky 'actually I'm ending the cycle' cliche. It's clear he wasn't willing to let Ellie develop logically and because of that he couldn't make the hard, narratively satisfying choice.

          If Ellie NEVER killed non infected in the game, then the current ending would work better. But she fucking murders a pregnant chick and other ancillary characters and countless faceless nobodies, but not Abby - the one who arguably deserves death the most (outside of the slavers).

          Why is Ellie held to this standard of not killing when Abbey ALSO could have made the decision to end the cycle by seeing Joel doing good for his community, especially after saving her ass? Both are protagonists that the game strains over making you identify with. The intended contrast between Ellie and Abbey being more similar than different falls so fucking flat in the context of the gameplay. But I guess that isn't surprising since LoU2 is ostensibly a movie first.

          Druckman is high on his own farts.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I fucking hate this, that reasoning is never done well in any media. It's only acceptable when the reasoning is
      >if you kill him, you will never be the same again
      which was what happened in Fullmetal Alchemist.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's only acceptable when the reasoning is "if you kill him, you will never be the same again"
        That IS the reasoning.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is Breaking Bad any good?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Give me your top 5 series of all time and I'll tell you if you'll like it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't really watch live action TV. Don't really watch movies either unless I really like them. Used to watch a lot of anime.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Guess you can give it a shot. It's pretty good but massively overhyped though.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      picked it up randomly during xmas break, ended up watching the entirety of it, along with Better Call Saul
      yeah, it's pretty fucking good

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wait does this mean hate as in for what they’ve done and who they are or because their character is terribly written

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Villain that does terrible shit because of traumatic youth and constantly monologues how no one understands their pain

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    PERRRSONAAAA

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      PERUSONA

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Villain has justified and normal goal but since they go about it in a sinister way and they look evil we have to kill them

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >villain is so evil that he makes the player not care about him by giving the game as little of a story as possible and only really giving some backstory right before the finale in hopes of manipulating the player to just do sidequests forever
    >As a last resort he tries to make his final fight as boring as possible in hopes of making the player turn of the game so he can never be defeated

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nice try villain I've played Drakengard.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > villain might just be a stern but loving father
    > N-NO HE’S ACTUALLY EVIL NOW

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fucking hell, this was a great movie but that bit really did feel like it was character assassination for the sake of not letting an ideology have a morales character. especially when they had Pinocchio talking with the son about sternness and love, I'd be curious to find out why exactly they decided to do it

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >we are the same
    That CAN be kino when used right though.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You still foolishly consider yourself an entity separate from the whole, I know better. And I. Will. Show you.

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Villain decides to fuck up the whole world just for fun and because they can
    >Accidentally fucks it up way more than they meant to, ruins everything for everyone forever including themselves

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >protagonist decides to fuck up the whole world just for fun and because they can
      >purposefully fucks it up way more than they meant to, ruins everything for everyone forever including themselves, main villain of the game is creeped out by them and tries to stop them, protagonist vores him
      >laughs about it as the world is erased

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Undertale?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, Undertale's genocide route is literal pussy shit comapred to Soul Nomad.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm gonna guess he's talking about Soul Nomad and the World Eaters

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >villain was actually just possessed by an evil spirit
    JRPGs love this dogshit

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >kick villain's ass thoroughly in the boss fight
    >cutscene plays afterwards where my character either loses or is barely holding on despite never getting hit by that asshole once in the actual fight

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Name seven games.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Trails of Cold Steel
        Trails of Cold Steel 2
        Trails of Cold Steel 3
        Trails of Cold Steel 4
        Hajimari no Kiseki
        Final Fantasy X
        Jackie Chan: Stuntmaster

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Jackie Chan: Stuntmaster

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this trope was cool as fuck in Persona 4 fuck you

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >boss' lieutenant/subordinate/right hand is infinitely better both as a character and a boss fight

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Due to the villains actions you get a emotionally numb cute girl you have to foster for her to recover and eventually form a strong bond. And lots of sex

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Villain literally has no motive and is just a fucking lunatic.

    Now so rare with all the shades of grey villains I actually wouldn't mind a bad dude I'm cool enough to kill.

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they're all white now.

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Uh actually it's society fault I'm evil so that gives me the right to murder a bunch people
    A then someone makes a thread on Ganker about their BASED and did nothing wrong.

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I AM THE EGGMAN!

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It's another "the villain's motives are better than the protagonist's" trope.
    Wow how fucking original, I truly miss villains who were just evil for the sake of being evil. Nowadays everything just needs to have a complacent story behind it for something reasons, villains are meant to be hated.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >x is meant to be y
      midwit art take

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Villains are meant to be hated
      Fuck you. Villains are meant for protagonists to struggle against so that they learn something about themselves.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yasu did nothing wrong

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It turned out that way but it wasn't really by their own choosing.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >x is meant to be y
        midwit art take

        Villains are meant to be hated, that doesn't mean that's all they are meant to fucking do. You can have a villain who puts a fight and makes the protagonist learn a thing or two unintentionally or whatever. But the second the villain just goes "Uhhh actually I was just trying to make the lives of my people better and shit" is when I roll my eyes back and go "Oh this fucking retarded shit again? Yeah great never would have seen that one coming."

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >"Uhhh actually I was just trying to make the lives of my people better and shit
          You can have a character that does this and is still clearly villainous. You're viewing this too narrowly.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      and I truly miss when I didn't see people say this exact opinion every fucking corner I turn
      It's not a particularly good one either.
      Characters like Sundowner work because they aren't the main threat. He isn't even the penultimate conflict. A villain who's just an asshole for the sake of it simply isn't good enough to carry a story. They're only good supplements for a nuanced antagonist. You don't see it as much anymore because it's poor writing and 9 times out of 10 makes for an ultimately uninteresting climax.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You don't see it as much anymore because it's poor writing and 9 times out of 10 makes for an ultimately uninteresting climax.
        Or people are so caught up in their pretentious assholes these days that they can no longer accept a basic narrative for what it is. Everything has to be deep with multiple nuances and shades of grey! We can have both, you know? That's what pisses me off the most, more than the idea itself.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you can enjoy your penny pinchers menu cheeseburger if you want, I enjoy them to. but don't be a fag and stand up when someone decides they want to try something a outside of the norm

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"Uhhh actually I was just trying to make the lives of my people better and shit
        You can have a character that does this and is still clearly villainous. You're viewing this too narrowly.

        Except you are considering that the villain is an asshole and nothing but an asshole. I'm just tired of every single fucking modern day story trying to give villains a redemption moment for some ungodly reason, its ok for villains to die as villains.
        And yes it is also ok for them to just be evil.

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not killing the end boss because "le KiLlInG iS BaD"
    Nobody cared about the 100s of dead minions, but the one person who absolutely should be killed gets to walk so devs can make a ham fisted moral stance.

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >vidya villain tropes you hate
    When the villain is established as clearly evil or something close to it but then they do a 180 at the last second and make him ackshully a good guy all along.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >When the villain is established as clearly evil or something close to it but then they do a 180 at the last second and make him ackshully a good guy all along.

      Yeah, I hated that in Cold Steel 4 and in the Ardyn DLC

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Villain has a scene where they eat food and its not really relevant to anything. They just eat the food.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it's the greatest scene in the entire series

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah the best scene is the one where a single person watches a guy fail high jump 300 times and nobody else is there. PS I now love this guy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >villain is just kind of a dick and unpredictable
      >everyone treats like he's the most evil motherfucker around despite him genuinely helping out the protagonists multiple times
      Kirei is extremely based and I hate how TM treated him

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Everyone in the same room as Kirei knows he's fucked in the head. It's instinct.
        There's a documented phenomena where just being in the same room as a sociopath can unnerve you.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, I can understand that other characters feel unnerved by Kirei's presence, but I think their antagonism against him is unwarranted a lot of the time.

  58. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Villain literally escapes the final boss fight and goes "hahahahah see you in the sequel"
    >It's actually really good, leaving absolutely nothing resolved at all.

    LoK is a weird series.

  59. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >""""""MAIN TOTALLY THE MAIN VILLAIN ANTAGONIST FINAL BOSS RIGHT HERE GUYS""""" is a bumbling fucking retard
    >Side villain/ villain assistant/ chump villain is actually LE BIG EVIL AND IS LE WAY STRONK AND TAKES THE MAGUFFIN THEY WERE THE REAL BAD GUY ALL ALONG
    >Work """"Together"""" with bumbling retard """"antagonist"""" (Spoiler alert, they do fuck all to help and its really just the protag winning like usual)
    >After BIGGU BAD is dead they go back to hating each other and bumbling retard villain continues to be villain
    I really fucking hate this one

  60. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Antagonist bodies you right at the start of the game.
    >Completely unstoppable
    >You're just a lil guy
    >Chase him as he stomps through the world wrecking shit
    >"How are we gonna stop him?"
    >"This is a suicide mission!"
    >Heh they don't know I've played video games and know he'll somehow be beata-
    >Nope, you can't beat him and he wins and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.
    >We did tell you.
    I know PoEII isn't exactly great, but honestly this was a nice inversion. Even though by this point I've bodied the avatar of heat death and multiple fucked up things. Still.

  61. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS???
    >haha.. you are too simple to even begin to comprehend (aka i have a garbage writer)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anytime a villian refuses to elaborate on their plans, you know the writer is trash.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most 40K games when dealing with Eldar have this. Only Inquisitor Marty has one of them explaining properly, but only after you kick his ass.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ask villains plans
      >They say I'm too smart to understand why grognar smash.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >My plan is too complex for your feeble minds to comprehend!!
      >*find out later it isn't complex at all*

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS???
        >haha.. you are too simple to even begin to comprehend (aka i have a garbage writer)

  62. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Yes now I'm at your mercy and you can kill me but then you'll never know this SECRET

  63. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >villain is a wheel
    >he can move, he can feel
    >you can't stop him turning

  64. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have a vagina Ganker!

  65. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >villain is evil because....
    >he's hungry???
    great writing todd

  66. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    my most hated is the "bigger bad that has no reason to exist nor had any buildup" that shows up after you beat the big bad.

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