I've been wanting to get into BG1/2 after playing Pathfinder just to see where it all started. I've heard a lot of complaints about the Enhanced Edition and the Siege of Dragonspear DLC added by Beamdog though, are they really that bad?
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It isn't that bad. New AD&D2e content in the 2010s is pretty awesome. SoD is better than most RPGs.
It certainly isn't as good as the original content though. And storywise it is shoehorned in and uncessary.
>are they really that bad?
Just take a look at this stellar writing.
>It isn't that bad
And this shill is trying to trick you.
>SoD is better than most RPGs.
lol no
i dont see anything wrong with it. are you just a seething midwit?
>ill pretend to eat shit to own the libs
Ok?
The ee is fine but please for the love of god don't play siege of dragonspear, at least not on your first run.
Yeah forgot to mention this. Don't play SoD the first time you play. It fricks up the pacing and overlevels you for 2.
Yeah keep pretending like its just boomers shitting on poor beamdog
They fricked up the balancing by adding moronic shit from Baldurs Gate 2 such as class kits and a few other things. If you play EE, you didn't play the game. You can get a kind of similar experience by ignoring the class kits tho. They aren't in Baldurs Gate 1, but in beamdog's fanfic only, completely trivialising the early game.
They did this same bullshit with Icewind Dale 1: EE. homosexuals couldn't just remaster the game, they had the AUDACITY, to add their own filth to it.
My recommendation, take 20 minutes of your life to just mod the original.
Yeah I guess. But weren't people playing like that before ee anyway? With tutu or whatnot? I mean, early bg1 isn't even about how "good" you are at the game, it's more about whether you know where to go to easily get lvl 2-3. EE doesnt really trivialize this, your companions are still vanilla (well, except the shitty ee ones no one plays i guess), but I guess it maybe evens the ground for newcomers.
In any case, BG was a trilogy (2.5 with tob if you prefer) before EE, it already made sense to be a berserker in bg1 instead of magically morphing into one in bg2. EE didn't change that, and everyone was already modding that shit out.
The only thing I really blame them for is that godawful shit looking UI they put instead of the original soulfull one. Mysterious decision for sure.
I guess it's not the end of the world if you avoid class kits & new companions. I'm still just salty about it.
Yeah I get it. Let's just be happy beamdog can't get their hands on bg anymore it seems. And it's frankly nice to have a readily accessible version for modern systems, even if one prefers the originals (+mods), so it's alright it exists. I enjoyed the way I can build my character from bg1 to bg2 and ToB with TuTu and continue enjoying with EE (while avoiding the beamdog companions).
bgTuTu etc. were very popular way before the EEs, so claiming EEs broke the "balance" is some Sawyer-tier autism; do not use the options you consider OP if you don't want to. And of course play the original vanilla game if you prefer but let's not pretend it didn't have some absolutely broken bullshit too like the summons (essentially no limit). The beauty of BGs is that you can have wildly different experiences both difficulty-wise and gameplay wise with different setups, classes, builds, parties and playstyles.
I do however admit that the borderline-op items you can get from some of the beamdog companions quests is kinda bullshit. Again, this is content you don't need to use / engage with or you can just mod it out.
tl;dr: beamdog a shite, but bg1 in bg2 engine is not something they came up with.
tbf, the kits they added in Icewind Dale makes it much better/more broken for solo runs and it can be a ton of fun. my complaint is, other than bugs, are that they fricked the voicelines for the party and that is too unforgivable a sin to commit
For a newcomer it is the best option by far. It has lots of features that will make your life easier. No reason not to use it. It is only slightly annoying for oldgays who find the new UI unnatural, but that doesnt apply to you.
As for the rest: ee companions are horseshit, they just don't fit the tone of the game, so ignore them. It's that simple.
I've never played sod, don't see the appeal. I mean, ee character are shite, the arena thing they made was shite, so I must assume Sod isn't caviar but indeed just more shite.
EE is perfectly fine. They did add some annoying stuff, but the entire controversy around EE comes from boomers and /misc/tards. If you want Baldur's Gate to be more accessible but without making it casual, go for it.
Most mods have been adapted for it, too.
Siege of Dragonspear is uninspired, much like the rest of modern RTwP genre. Worse than WotR, even though WotR is already pretty bad (by the way, they were written by the same troony). I wouldn't bother, really.
wut? It's the same writer, really? That would explain why i couldnt muster the will to finish wotr
>Written by the same uninspired sjw
I didn't know this but it figures
EE is fine as it is, you don't like a companion? Don't let him join or dismiss him if you wanted at least to try them.
Boomers might hate anything new and the pol-bogeymen might hate anything with a whiff of wokeness, but that still doesn't excuse beamdogs dogshit-level writing for the new content and characters, neither does it excuse them paywalling the originals behind their EE product (for digital purchase, I guess it's possible to buy used disc copies of the originals or just pirate them). Beamdog did some nice QoL things and the mobile ports which I appreciate but they have a shitty reputation for a reason. Thank god they didn't get to do bg3 or anything like that.
Are you sure they're written by the same person?
SoD and WoTR AP was written by Amber Scott. Owlcat is a troon studio so the original content they wrote is hardly different from what Amber Scott would've written.
>deranged b***hing about SoD
okay lol
stop pretending the original trilogy had any quality writing to begin with
Not that anon but:
>stop pretending the original trilogy had any quality writing to begin with
It's fantasy pulp done well and it fits the game great, written by people who were having fun with it. It doesn't try to be high literature. The beamdog content on the other hand is a non-stop cringefest by writers who failed to get real jobs or success in serious writing and resorted to what they could get: video game writing.
>purposefully bad writing is... le good!
nope
>deranged b***hing about beamdog
okay lol
>I am too dumb to tell what pulp fantasy is
Im not even surprised honestly.
>okay lol
I accept your concession.
It's not purposefully bad you colossal moron. It has a consistent tone that fits the game well and fulfils it's purpose. Beamshit on the other hand reeks of tryhard drama writing by writers who don't actually understand the original content's nature.
>already coping by moving the goalpost from "its not that bad" to "a-a-ackshually the original games w-w-were bad too"
Your cope is so marvelous I am starting to think you might be Beamdogtroony.
>but the entire controversy around EE comes from boomers and /misc/tards.
Riiiiight.
Somehow its completly unrelated to the abyssmal writing you yourself point out in Dragonspear you leftypol mongoloid.
Social media has demoralized you to such a degree it fried your brain. The only way out for you is to have a nice day.
>the entire controversy around EE comes from boomers and /misc/tards
wrong
all i hate about it is how shit they made the interface but they still try to shove it down our throats by forcing us to buy ee if we want to play regular
good thing i still have original cds
SoD sticks out like a sore thumb from the rest of the BG1 campaign.
>OP stuff like kits, dual wielding, traps and familiars in BG1
>changing existing characters because of SJW butthurt (Khalid and Jaheira for 'stereotype of nagging wife', 'desexualizing' Safana, making Eldoth less 'toxic' etc.)
>putting pozzed companions, giving them OP items and stats to force new players to take them
>introducing shitton of new bugs to 20 years old game
>introducing literal troony npc - in a world where changing sex isn't much an issue due to magic.
>fricking up balance by Suck on the Dragonshit, you come into BG2 absurdly overleveled.
Yeah, totally not any difference from the original. Btw I still have original CDs, copied them to avoid possibility of losing an original, non-pozzed version.
Nah, just people b***hing. EE is fine for new people both because the BG2 kits are there and because it has better system compatibility than OG BG1.
SoD though reeks of fanfic - It's overly epic, flanderises its characters, is poorly optimised if your OpenGL compatibility is low and gets unreasonably hard for casuals who don't optimise. It's not acknowledged canon-wise becuase of how bad it fits in the overall lore and how little it sets up and expands on BG2 and ToB lore. Try it, but don't feel ashamed to drop it should you feel burned-out.
The EE did nothing wrong aside from the extra content.
Hitler did especially nothing wrong.
>replay BG
>try to play SoD for the first time to see what it's like
>two characters still stuck in the Sarevok boss room
Lmao
>you must collect your party before venturing forth
>I've been wanting to get into BG1/2 after playing Pathfinder just to see where it all started.
Then you're barking up entirely the wrong tree. Pathfinder has very little in common with BG or AD&D 2E. You've probably heard people say, "Wow Kingmaker is great, this reminds me of Baldur's Gate!" These people are morons. Only in the most superficial understanding of CRPGs would someone make that claim.
Pathfinder's autistic emphasis on munchkinism masquerading as "s y s t e m m a s t e r y" is completely antithetical to AD&D's very linear and predictable lanes of character advancement and much more humbling difficulty.
You will not be slinging out ridiculous damage with some build you got off reddit. You'll be rolling for an hour to get over a 90 for stats for that precious percentile Strength Bonus and max Dex/Con only to still get your shit kicked in by a bounty hunter with a "save or wander around helplessly for a full minute" spell.
Even the most fervent attempts at munchkinism (kensai/mage dualclass for example) take so much caution, time, and dedication to see returns that it's pretty much guaranteed to both bore and filter the munckin (protip: that kensai/mage doesn't even really take off until BG2).
And even the much maligned inclusion of BG2 classes and kits (like the cavalier ir blackguard, who's immune to some of the annoying spells) still won't get you far without a solid grasp of what threats are ahead and what to avoid and what to beeline for until you get on your feet.
TL;DR BG1/2 and PFKM are nothing alike and that's a good thing. Google THAC0 and descending AC before you play.
Get good, Pathfinder requires build autism only on the highest difficulties. You don't need any deep understanding of it to beat it on normal, which is the intended difficulty for casual gamers
The fact that it offers more depth for players that want more out of it is just a bonus
I found Baldur's Gate 1 way easier than either Pathfinder game on normal difficulty. It didn't get difficult until ToB, because I hadn't learned the haste-centric high level playstyle.
EE is fine, just ignore the added characters. People b***hing about "balance" in a single player crpg are moronic. Normal difficulty Baldur's Gate is meant to be breezed through. I played it when I was 17 and didn't have to turn off the AI until the demon sidequest at the end of BG1
EE is shit and shits all over the balancing of BG.
The original version is the preferred way of playing it. At most adding the widescreen mod if you find the max resolution in the original options not working well with your screen.
> custom soundsets dont play select sounds unless you mod a 2da file
i can forgive much but this is crossing a line
Beamdog is guilty of a number of different crimes. Here are the major ones.
1. The Enhanced Editions are essentially a collection of free mods that had existed for nearly twenty years. Beamdog gathered them all up, slapped "Enhanced Edition" on it and resold it as a new product. There's very very little in the Enhanced Editions that wasn't already out there, and most of it is stuff you don't want (like obnoxious character outlines).
2. The games didn't sell so well and the originals were still far outselling them, even twenty years after their release, so Beamdog had EVERY digital distributor stop selling the originals and ONLY sell the Enhanced Edition. If you want to buy a digital copy of the originals now, they're "bundled" into the Enhanced Edition. Now these scumbags can claim sales from people just wanting to buy the originals as their own.
3. The infamous 600+ bugs on launch. The game is still riddled with bugs (as even a perfunctory glance over their forums show) but the fact that it took nearly two years for them to get a game that had been working fine for 20 years to reach playability after launch is telling of their wild incompetence.
4. This is where we get to the ones that really piss people off. Beamdog couldn't just remaster the game, they had to frick with the content too. New dialogue for existing NPCs like Jaheira, Viconia, Safana, Kivan, et cetera was written in to make the characters more progressive and leftist friendly. Beamdog shills will argue that "adding content isn't changing content XDDD" but it is when the new content changes the core personalities of the existing characters. This is in addition to adding a slew of their own LGBT (hitherto there were none in Baldur's Gate) NPCs, all flooded with OP attributes and magic items to encourage people to play them despite their cancer.
5. Siege of motherfricking Dragonspear.
the worst part of it is the low effort imo. like when you start a new game you find a girdle really early on that changes the wearer's sex. surely you could offer that to the trans person to help fix their dysphoria?
no. no, you can't. but you can listen to them explain how they made up a name by combining syllables from different languages
Transgenderism would be a mental illness in either world. When you exist in a fantasy universe where you can not only change your gender on a genetic functioning level, but your race or even your species, but you still elect to remain as a man that identifies as a woman, there's nothing there but pure mental illness.
Holy shit you're late. This used to be the first post in these kinds of threads.
I was eating a 30 day board ban from disagreeing with a jannie on another board.
Bless you.
honestly I appreciate the technical improvements in the EE editions. i just install a mod that removes the new NPCs and get on with it.