>”Joel doomed humanity by saving Ellie”
>no one dies from infected in TLOUS2
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>”Joel doomed humanity by saving Ellie”
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The only reason people died in the game was because of Abby’s revenge quest, and she didn’t kill Joel because he doomed humanity, she did it because he killed her father. The game itself doesn’t even support Joel dooming humanity with the only character who could actually have this motivation.
>The only reason people died in the game was because of Abby’s revenge quest,
That and shitty cultists that pretend that they're part of some ancient order of luddites arguing over the translations of their holy scriptures when the oldest members among them still remember going to Starbucks and using Netflix
abby is extremely based though
game would have been more interesting if it was just her POV with the twist being that ellie and her friend were the people who were hunting you all down. But the brain dead fans of TLOU1 would have never accepted that
>But the brain dead fans of TLOU1 would have never accepted that
Completely wrong lmao. The opinion that what’s wrong with part 2 is HOW it was done pops up just about every time it’s discussed. There’s a lot of problems with the game but literally just reversing the order of how ellie and abby are played (and not knowing what had happened or abby’s backstory until the confrontation) would’ve been interesting and would’ve worked better with what they were aiming for with abby
>bought and played tlou2
>brainless tlou fans
Ya I'm replying to one right now
>tlou2 is bad because Ganker said so
you are boring
No it's bad because it's a movie game full of major plot holes written by a woke hack who couldn't make it doing real writing for a show, movie, or book.
>muh movie game!!!!!
What about all the well executed 3rd person shooter gameplay? Guess that doesn't count.
>well executed
Lmao. It was easy enough for streamers and game "journalists" to beat without any frustration. It was built to appeal to people empirically dumber than a bird.
That’s what difficulty settings are for. Why do you feel the need to overcompensate HARD over TLOU being praised? Why are you so opinionated over a game you haven’t played?
I watched a YouTube play through so I actually played it just as much as any journalist that gave it a high rating. Why are you so mad?
>I didn’t play the game
Thanks for confirming what I already knew. Ganker users really don’t play games, it’s incredible.
As if there's a difference between watching it and playing it
>As if there's a difference between watching it and playing it
Only someone who doesnt play games would say this
Only someone who plays nothing but over hyped movie game shit like tlou and RDR2 thinks it makes a difference
>Only someone who plays nothing but over hyped movie game shit like tlou and RDR2 thinks it makes a difference
Why are you projecting your gaming insecurities onto me? Ive been playing games longer than you've been alive, over more genres, platforms and from various studios. You feel the need to shit yourself hard over a game you havent played, wondering why someone else likes it.
Consider playing games to form your own opinion.
>no bro this movie game is totally different you don't understand
>wtf why are you making fun of me
Lmao
When you start to put words in my mouth, that means I've already won. See you in the next thread, brush up on your youtube videos ok?
Cry more. A game so easy a bird can beat its puzzles isn't any different whether you're playing it or watching it and certainly doesn't change how bad the writing is
>he's still going
>he's still seething
It's not a big deal if you like games that are absurdly easy, some people just like a mid story written by a hack who couldn't make it in real shows and fell to video game writing, and that's ok 🙂
Thanks for the bump
Seething that your shitty movie game is constantly btfo
In your dreams 🙂
You lost
You sound like a homosexual. have a nice day you dumb Black person
Haha literally dumber than a bird
I’m guessing your bot script only has one insult coded in?
What's it like being dumber than a bird? Can you read and drive?
>NPC recycles through the same lines
Patrolling the Mojave makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
Lol game advertisers/journalists always get so mad when you bring up the bird video
>major plot holes
You can’t name a single one. Are you going to link a shitty YouTube video? Why are you so opinionated about a game you haven’t played?
>Joel was wrong for saving Ellie because her death would've saved the world
>except they were going to kill her for no reason and he was completely in the right to save her
Probably the most hilarious is Ellie murdering hundreds of people in 2 just to decide Revenge Is Bad at the last second and letting Abbey go
>kill her for no reason
Why must you lie? Marlene tells you IN A MANDATORY CUTSCENE why Ellie is dying in surgery. You find tapes to explain why Ellie has to die in the surgery.
Again, why are you so opinionated over a game you clearly haven’t played?
>wow this girl is immune? Let's kill her immediately to look at her brain!
They are obviously mad scientists that were going to kill her for no reason.
TLOU is the only series where people will get basic plot events factually wrong, and double down on it, in order to shit on it. Says a lot more about you to be honest. Anyone that bothered to play the game would call you a moron
I guess all you'd have to do is post a video of that cutscene then. But you won't.
have a nice day and your family. I want to bash your head repeatedly onto concrete.
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>this member of the mad scientists says "we have to remove her brain to get a vaccine, that proves they had to remove her brain to get a vaccine
Are you serious right now?
>I didnt play the game, here's what I think
Hey how true is this?
Very true. it is necessary to fix the world by breeding the immune ones as early as possible and every time they are breedable again after having healthy babies. While I would hate to do it, I would volunteer for the good of humanity to breed the immune ones so their genes may flourish and spread to all of humanity. Probably 25 times before they can no longer have children safely.
>No, Ellie was the like 17th "Miracle child" they were about to cut open and try to find a vaccine from.
Some moron linked this in another thread. Unless you're stupid, it's clear as fricking day in the recording he is referring to patients already infected and exhibiting fungal growth and associated aggression.
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Ellie isnt their 17th miracle child. Shes their fricking first lmao have a nice day
Oh well, refer to my previous argument then
>this mad scientist terrorist lady says they have to remove her brain to make a vaccine, that means they have to remove her brain to make a vaccine
So what you're saying is that they shouldn't have cut her head off, but instead bred her every 10 months.
No. Her immunity doesn't stem from her genetic make-up. It stems from being infected through the uterus seconds before the umbilical cord was cut.
>It stems from being infected through the uterus seconds before the umbilical cord was cut
A retcon from the show.
I thought this was a dedicated trolling effort but you people are actually taking this seriously aren't you? Best of luck with the rest of your lives.
Not either of those guys but where does it say they found other immune people?
JOEL MADE IT UP
>no argument
Lmao btfo
Didn't even mention Ellie wasn't the first person with immunity they found and they immediately killed the others with zero results
>Didn't even mention Ellie wasn't the first person with immunity they found and they immediately killed the others with zero results
YOU CANT LINK THIS. THERES NO PROOF REGARDING THIS. YOU LITERALLY CANT PROVE IT.
I see this lie repeated ad-nauseum.
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WHERE the frick does he mention other immune? Are you stupid?
The weird thing is you don't need to kill a child to reverse engineer a cure for a virus.
They are so well off that Ellie lives in a city and they throw parties.
Ellie shows more of a negative reaction to bigot sandwiches then she does infected
Everyone's entire life still has to be structured around dealing with the infected. Jackson is a relatively safe place and can throw parties and such, but only thanks to regular dedicated patrols of the surrounding area. The WLF have certain areas secured for their safe use but have to avoid huge parts of the city; the Scars are free of them only by virtue of living on a small island.
Many people- probably the majority- voluntarily live in quarantine zones and even seek them out if stuck outside one, because the ruthless authoritarian rules are still preferable to your children getting turned into zombies and tearing you apart.
By TLOU2 it's been 25 years and people have adapted to some degree. Life goes on, even in tough circumstances. A vaccine would still be a huge deal.
>get immunized against the infection
>lowliest enemy in the game just tears your throat out, snaps your neck, or disembowels you like every death animation in the first game
humanity is saved!
it'd stop bolstering enemy numbers and prevent people from dying to infection I guess
That could happen to you even without the infected being there.
NOOOOO IF ONLY I GOT ONE MORE BOOSTER
kek
Should've worn a mask, chud.
AAAAAAA I DOUBLE BOOSTED WITH ELLIE’S VACCINE AAAAA WHY AM I DYING
I don't understand, they didn't make a vaccine
100% buck broken
but how the frick would they make a vaccine for a fungus? pesticides arent a thing in tlous universe?
Did the sequel ever confirm whether Joel actually "doomed" humanity? I seem to remember there being doubt in the first game as to whether the Fireflies could actually make a cure or not
They never brought it up again, at least not in the main story. It could be in some collectible document but who cares at that point.
No, it was never confirmed, but it’s a common argument by tlous2 shills, and probably by Neil Druckmann himself, who was too moronic to even use it in the game correctly
>I seem to remember there being doubt in the first game as to whether the Fireflies could actually make a cure or not
this isn't part of the first game, and most people who are saying this stuff are pseuds who feel le smart for knowing about le medicine and how mysterious fictional fungus couldn't possibly be curable with a vaccine or whatever
it doesn't take someone being a pseud to realize the idea of a fungus somehow spreading so fast that it causes an overnight apocalypse is moronic.
it does because most people can accept the explanation that it's a mutated fungus that doesn't exist in our world right now, it's literally like resident evil with an extra layer of believability
Resident evil at least uses viruses, which are known to actually spread fast enough to cause pandemics. Fungi don't cause pandemics. They're not single-celled organisms that can travel super quickly. Moreover if you wanted to make a vaccine you wouldn't just kill the person and cut out a chunk of their brain, you'd look at what antibodies they have in their blood.
Also resident evil doesn't bill itself as a serious drama, it's over the top campy action/horror. If a series tries to bill itself at being super serious and grounded then I'm going to scrutinize the logic of things more.
>Resident evil at least uses viruses, which are known to actually spread fast enough to cause pandemics.
did you even play the game? the reason it spread so fast is because it got into people's food supply, and it's a mutated strain so it doesn't obey the same rules as the fungus you're talking about irl
>and it's a mutated strain so it doesn't obey the same rules as the fungus
>it's a different species so this magically makes it disobey literally every axiom fungi are known for
No, frick off.
Yep, even for racoon city to happen it took the virus hitting the water table and still took a few weeks to reach critical mass.
>No, frick off.
yes it's called fiction, you want to have a problem with it so you do
>it's called fiction
you're not accepting dragons, elves and talking trees in this comparison
No i'm having to accept magic zombies that work nothing like anything else in reality does, even what the writers copied from, but try to pretend that setting is grounded enough for grim drama with realistic consequences. The very foundation of the setting is flawed under any sort of scrutiny which gives the work as a whole a bad foundation leading to the exact kinds of discussion as to not whether joel was evil for putting his own love and life first but just how moronic the fireflies were
no that's wrong, they're not magical, it's a mutant strain of focus and it isn't explained to you in detail. it's the same as having a dragon and not knowing how it breathes fire and saying it's stupid because lizards don't do that
Yeah and if there was a supposedly super mature serious drama where Dragons showed up out of nowhere and caused an apocalypse overnight you'd think it was a bit silly.
yeah but a fungus that exists in the real world mutating into a fictional variant that is capable of jumping to humans isn't a dragon
So having Komodo Dragons suddenly mutate into firebreathing winged beasts overnight would be fine then?
no I think that would be kinda weird in a contemporary setting like the last of us has, plus the infection in the last of us takes a while to develop. there's a whole life cycle it's pretty cool! =)
That movie is called Reign of Fire and it's kino
>he doesn't know
It was silly as frick, but also good
I watched it as a kid and loved it, only when i watched it again as adult i realised how silly it is.
>it's a mutant strain of
Mutations don't work that way, you can't just throw the word mutant out and act like that excuses it working like no other fungus in reality.
>it isn't explained in detail
when the entire plot hitches on one b***h being immune enough and trying to deliver her to make a cure/vaccine then it's too fricking bad cause you've now turned the limelight onto its function.
>it's the same as having a dragon and not knowing how it breathes fire and saying it's stupid because lizards don't do that
No the frick it is not. Dragons aren't lizards, they're dragons and inherently supernatural in settings that do not pretend that they aren't. And the ones that aren't inherently magical and mighty beyond all regular capacity (and recognized as such) do actually offer explanations for how they breathe fire despite it not even being the point. Meanwhile, the entire point of Last of Us is trying to figure out how the zombies work to get rid of them instead of just surviving whatever plague or curse that they are.
>Mutations don't work that way, you can't just throw the word mutant out and act like that excuses it working like no other fungus in reality.
yeah you can
>when the entire plot hitches on one b***h being immune enough and trying to deliver her to make a cure/vaccine then it's too fricking bad cause you've now turned the limelight onto its function.
no you haven't, otherwise it would've been explained more
Also besides the movies, the RE viruses never reach apocalypse tier pandemic thanks to nuclear bombs/actually competent government agents
RE6 got the closest, but that was the first massive scale attack using conventional weapons as the payload delivery mechanism instead of getting it into the water supply or being transmitted by bite.
And because it is a virus, it is more believable (despite being an action horror franchise with fictional stuff) to find a vaccine to whatever Umbrella or any big pharma corp is creating compared to a fungus.
The lore drops in that final area *does* add doubt to the fireflies though? Strongly implied she would have been killed and dissected for naught.
The point imho was to make it ambiguous. Drunkman trying to pull a Christopher Nolan with that, and the main focus of all that was Joel redeeming himself more or less, as a father. Whether he was right or wrong with his choice didn't really matter at that point.
>Strongly implied she would have been killed and dissected for naught.
source
There are logs that explain that Ellie isn't the first immune murdered by them.
Originally the fireflies are weird cultists who were experimenting without any success.
Druckman retconned that in the remake by making them white.
Hope this helps.
weird cultists? no not at all, they see themselves as people trying to keep their version of the american ideal alive, this is made explicit in the game
after initial infection with the parasite, yeah, the fungus is different and it's also referred to as an infection. it's like being hiv positive and aids ridden
>no they aren't weird cultists
Play the first game again. Almost every character thinks the Fireflies are a bunch of a thugs and weirdos, but mostly that's just because the story paints them as a bunch of thugs and weirdos so I can see why you'd miss that.
no they don't, they just think they're naive
>after initial infection with the parasite
yes. AKA the brain isn't the source of the infection. The infection travels to the brain.
>the fungus is different
no it isn't. The infection is the fungus. There's nothing else going on.
no it says right in the note that it's a parasite
The parasite it's referring to is the fungus.
wrong the last of us is the best game ever
A parasite by definition is a being that lives in other organism and get benefits from it. In this case, the fungus is the textbook definition of a parasite.
Not confirmed, just heavily implied that the firefly "doctors" were quacks but that could just as easily be low quality writing.
I think Druckman literally thinks that somehow vaccines are made by cutting out chunks of people rather than analyzing antibodies
It was already bullshit that they can find a cure against a fungal parasite if it was clear that they don’t have the tech or the know-how considering that 20 years passed after the infection.
Human society collapsed almost immediately. Like within 2 weeks the world was fricked. The full weight of our scientific abilities ground to a halt almost immediately as pretty much every center of civilization had to deal with local outbreaks. Like you can't science shit when all your roads, shipping, electricity, and phones just stop fricking working because the manpower necessary to operate those things stays at home or just outright flees.
It's rather believable that Abby's dad is in fact one of the last people who has the skills to both identify and develop a cure to anything. I mean there aren't a lot of those people in the world to begin with and let's be real here most of those people are useless during an apocalypse. Like you have to imagine in our own world we can't identify a lot of fricking diseases when it walks through the fricking doors of a hospital. All that really freaky antibiotic-resistant shit, there's no identifying it until it fricking pollutes your entire facility and you realize the patient is carrying something worse than HIV and it will take millions of fricking dollars to merely TRY and cleanse the building because it's not like you can close the hospital.
There are basically two miracles at work here. Ellie herself and the fact they found a guy who could take a stab at a cure. And given how everything ground to a halt, it's not terribly surprising it took 20 fricking years for this to happen.
The only good post ITT and as of this moment it remains unacknowledged.
You people are a fricking disgrace.
Good post, anon.
No, not counting flashbacks Ellie's immunity is brought up one time in the whole game for a couple minutes of cheap tension, and then it's dropped and completely forgotten about immediately afterward in favor of the drama about Dina's israeli hapa baby. They never bring up her immunity again
actually doomed for sure? no, but an ingame findable lore thing says the doctors are having some levels of success. so from joels perspective, there would be some possible chance giving the girl up could of quite possibly saved all of humanity. so it just becomes a numbers game. is saving quite possibly billions of lives worth trading one persons life? up to you, really. what percent of likelyhood is worth it?
for poltards and non-poltards, heres some examples. would you blow up an entire town of innocent people if it might of had hitler in in before ww2? how about an entire town of innocent people, if the first israelite was in it? youd be saving possibly millions, if not billions of lives. now replace that town with just one girl.
>what about this scenario that's completely different
frick off moron
yeah my scenarios has far less higher stakes lmao. del wit it
No, Ellie was the like 17th "Miracle child" they were about to cut open and try to find a vaccine from.
Instead of doing the intelligent thing and taking all of these seemingly immune kids and just breeding them to make an advanced naturally resistant population, they were just cutting their heads off and poking the brain going "Why isn't this working", if they just had a mass child breeding program the world would have been saved. then of course they made one of the people who could save the world through breeding gay and made her a genetic dead end. That's the real tragedy, homosexualry ending the genes that could save the world.
The TV show addressed this. In the second episode there’s a pre-Apocalypse in Thailand or the Philippines or wherever, where the military there asks their top fungus expert about a vaccine and she says the only thing that can be done at this point is to firebomb everything. The show also implies that pregnancy has something to do with Ellie’s immunity, something Marlene is well aware of since she was there at Ellie’s birth, but rather than having Ellie bear a child they decide killing her would be the better bet. Additionally, even if that were true, then that would mean Ellie was already infected at birth and any of the blood scans that I’m sure people would regularly get would show her as being positive, so Marlene would have known Ellie was infected for as long as she lived.
I don’t want to beat TLOU, but if the story is anything like the show, then yes Joel did nothing wrong.
they honestly shouldn't have shown anything about Ellie's mom and they shouldn't have made Marlene not be in Ellie's life until she tries to ship her off to the hospital, just fricking complicates things in the story without any real payoff
I've always wondered about that. How did ellie go here entire life not getting scanned? It looks like in quarantine zones they are constantly checking people in the show and game.
They scan people who get caught trying to leave or re-enter. I don't remember anyone getting scanned routinely/randomly.
the "her mother was infected during pregnancy" stuff was just plain moronic, Ellie should have just been an anomaly and that's it
I never watched the show but even then TLOU2 begrudgingly admits Joel did nothing wrong in its ending. Ellie has a teenage angst meltdown about how she should’ve died because then her death would mean something, then Joel tells her point blank that he would kill for her all over again. She forgives him and then their relationship starts to heal…until Abby decides to play golf with Joel’s head.
Also even if the Fireflies somehow developed a vaccine, and not from Ellie’s blood or something but from some fungus in her brain (???), it’s not like it would’ve made a difference. Forget America falling, the entire world is fricked. Governments have fallen, entire cities if not states and countries are overrun with hordes of infected, so what good would a vaccine like that do? It wouldn’t really make a huge difference when infected are tearing you limb from limb and it probably wouldn’t have been easy to produce or transport either. And with the world being in its current state, it’d take centuries to rebuild.
don't even bother with the show, bad adaptation and bad show overall, 100% carried by Pascal
Pedro sucked to, over emotional or robotic, no in-between.
everything sucked. It also suffers from the same shit like Game of thrones where they changed events and characterization but kept some pivotal moments the same so the characters act like schizos because they act like they do in the videogame but all of their interactions and characterization is different leading up to those moments. Can't wait to see season 2 where they change nothing because Neil has a hateboner for TLoU 1 since it wasn't his stupid Tess revenge story he wanted
ARGH I SHOULD HAVE TRIPLE VAXXES
Why don't antifungal antibiotics work?
Super shrooms
Is this still the worst casting of all time?
No, how could you even think that? She did a fine job in the series. In terms of acting at least, the tv series still focused more so on drama and less on logic. Can't even imagine how fricking stupid it's going to be in Season 2.
No she literally played Ellie perfectly. In fact i dont think there's a more perfect casting.
It's just a shame she looks like a goblin
>she literally played Ellie perfectly.
No she didn't , she played her like a rude and creepy little psycho, she makes game Ellie look like a complete sweetheart in comparison.
Stop asking questions, fricking incel.
It's a deep and moving character drama, just sit down and fricking watch.
As far as I know, normal antibiotics are useless against fungi, but you have a good point. Did they even use antifungals in TLOU?
You know how in Bioshock Infinite, Ken Levine made the game about Quantum Physics because it "made him feel stupid" and he "couldn't understand anything about it"?
Neil thought that mushroom that made zombie ants was cool.
>Neil thought that mushroom that made zombie ants was cool.
aw frick off, that wasn't even his idea at all.
We know. It's not even his story.
Her face looks like Buzz Lightyear
Cant believe I found this girl cute in game of thrones
If there were cordyceps that infected humans, the issue would be getting the antifungal medicine to take to the brain. The other issue is how quickly it moves, the cordyceps ghat exist in ant take like a week to kill and resurrect an ant, in the last of us, the infection takes around 12 hours (the only example I can think of is that black kid).
That's the quickest fungus infection known to mankind, fungal infections in humans which are able to mortally harm a human takes months, and the quickest one we know have seen takes 2 weeks. Brain fungus, which we have observed and treated, were a type that take 25-40 days to kill someone, with them becoming permanently injured from the infection within a week. So, the two factors, the fact it targets the brain and is incredibly fast moving, means simply antifungal medication, at least what we have in modern times, would definitely not be up to the job. Maybe if it was fast moving and not in the brain we could treat it, but this sort of fungus would be pretty devastating.
She looks like she makes grilled cheese sandwiches at night.
>I'm not making them at night Dad!
Is this some reddit or discord meme?
https://www.tiktok.com/@flashreels/video/7283168163242593579?lang=en
Not going on tiktok, homosexual
shane ghillis joke
So what's the deal with her face, does she have some birth defect or what?
just aggressively British
literally a israelite given the role because israelites run hollywood
Your immune system is normally kept away from certain parts of your body because it's too destructive - particularly your brain and your eyes
It's why meningitis is so deadly
I hate The Last of Us but you could theoretically make a vaccine against fungus since you have five types of white blood cells with lymphocytes creating antibodies and neutrophils killing the fungus itself so every moron trying to sound smart and say antifungal vaccines aren’t real are wrong and stupid. But
brings up a good point since the fungus clearly crosses your blood brain barrier where your immune system can’t enter under normal circumstances.
Antibiotics only kill bacteria, you braindead moron. They were even originally developed from fungus, for frick’s sake
Because it doesn't reach the same places the cordyceps fungus infects in the human. So to put it simply its not fast enough to stop it from spreading to places it can't reach.
wew lad
I once had a nightmare where her face was bloody with hyper realistic creepypasta eyes, with her head on the body of the amazing bulk. She turned people into immortal stone golems and threw them into her personal swimming pool to forever filter feed the bleach.
Anyone who thinks tlou has good writing should seriously take up watching movies instead
He doomed irl humanity to TLOU2
Lots of dogs do though. Thanks israeliteman.
>play TLOU years ago at launch
>forget almost everything about it
>normie friend makes me watch the show
>first episode
>see Joel's daughter is black
>hey.....I dont remember this.....
>google it
kek, shameless
Netflix blackification was the real infection that will doom humanity all along.
Blackification is only a symptom.
Infection by Merchant parasites is the cause and we're already long gone.
>no one dies from infected in TLOUS2
yes they do? there's an entire thing about people leaving jackson and dying which starts joel and ellie arguing
>find girl with quasi-immunity to infection
>first thought is to cut her open
I think humanity was doomed anyway
the origin of the infection is inside the brain
no it isn't.
yes it is, that's why clickers' heads burst open and they go blind https://youtu.be/yH5MgEbBOps?t=983
and the medical pamphlet note says this:
>INCUBATION
• After initial infection, the parasite travels to the host's brain over a period of one to two days.
• The incubation concludes when the Cordyceps has taken over all major bodily functions of the host (Stage One CBI).
>After initial infection
hurr durr
How did they plan on making a 'cure' for a fungal infection by cutting her brain open?
YOU DONT UNDERSTAND DAD I SHOULD HAVE LET THEM CUT OPEN MY BRAIN FOR NO REASON
the parasite gets into your system through bodily fluids and the vaccine kills it before it can travel through your blood
I believe that in game, the prevailing idea was that Ellie had been been infected by the fungus and indeed had one in her brain, but it was a stunted mutated version which didn't actually do any of the zombification stuff but still prevented any further fungi from taking root. So the idea was that they could dig the cordyceps out of her brain and then breed/clone it to "infect" other people with the harmless version so that they couldn't be infected by the zombie version.
There were no guarantees and it's entirely possible that Ellie's condition couldn't be replicated that easily but I guess they felt that rolling the dice was the best option they had.
This is the most realistic yet creative theory about handling the fungus cure I've read, it's better than whatever they were going with in the game.
Sorry, but it's hard to believe they're in particular danger since everyone has guns.
The Army could have stopped the Fungus Amongus just by shooting down from a second story and barricading the stairs.
they do stuff like this in the zones, but most places are overrun due to bureaucratic failure. that's one of the major themes of the games and why jackson is such a parasite, because it's a small hick town with no big government
I have no idea how anyone thinks the clickers are any danger if random civies who have probably only seen guns in movies are capable of surviving against them. I've seen people genuinely say they'd rather be in a Left 4 Dead scenario than Last of Us.
>Vaccine for a fungal infection
Not even our best researchers with state of the art technology can make progress on that so don’t expect me to believe that a group of people with broken tech and no clear knowlegde of what they are doing can find a solution.
The remake need a alternative timeline where Joel live
>Fireflies kill Ellie
>Cure is actually useless
>Joel goes on rampage through Firefly base
>Kills just about everyone
>Goes after Abby cause of blind rage
>Through course of the game Joel is killing regular not even associated with Abby just associated with the faction leader who is helping Abby get away
>Only by the end when Joel realizes he's killed so many innocent people just trying to survive does he find that revenge is le bad
>he find that revenge is le bad
No, frick this israeli propaganda, he reaches his goal and then he's finally at peace, he decides to build a new safe heaven for him and his kin.
>DOOD I KNOW THERE'S A ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE OUT THERE THAT ENDED THE WORLD BUT HUMANS ARE THE REAL MONSTERS
10/10, I am subverted
Better focus an hour long episode on two old gay dudes making out in bed through their beards. That'll get the people back in to it
How would a cure even work
The people turned zombies are beyond saving
A person if infected would most likely be dead by being ripped apart, and if they got away would they have the resources to make it towards the closest city to get a vaccine in time?
It makes no sense, why bother working on a vaccine, work on rebuilding America
>group of doctors trying to save humanity
>find the rarest specimen you've never seen before, someone immune to the fungus
>first idea is to brain her and hope for the best
Wow, what a truly mature plot for us adult gamers. I'm sure if we found someone immune to cancer cells, we'd thrown them under the guillotine and do the rain dance because good science/medicine is notorious for moving really really fast and throwing shit at the wall. A long series of tests and research sounds boring and gay!
they've been working on it forever but they have come up to a wall and they need someone with immunity brah, that's the story
Yep. I agree. Why do a bunch of tests on Ellie and only kill her as a last resort, when you can brain her within 24 hours.
After all, it's only the fungus that ended modern society, so there's no real stakes. Just roll the dice!
>Yep. I agree. Why do a bunch of tests on Ellie and only kill her as a last resort, when you can brain her within 24 hours.
we don't know, you're supposed to assume the doctors who have been studying it forever know what they're doing
>just trust the post-apocalyptic mad scientists bro!
Yeah, nah I'll pass on that one. What's the rush anyway? You have someone immune, and it's completely new to you. How about run some tests for a week?
Not sure why this game for babies gives people like you brain damage. Once again, if we found a person immune to cancer cells in modern day, would the average doctor just put a glock to her head day one? After all, many people study cancer as their life's work. Durr durr durr I'm moronic.
they already ran tests and they're at the point where they have to cut into her brain
They ran no tests and cutting into her brain would solve nothing. There's zero chance that cutting into someone's brain is going to magically give you vaccine info.
they did a blood test and took an MRI
then they have no reason to cut out a chunk of her brain.
In the context of the game, they need brain tissue specifically to start clinical trials for their vaccine. Whether or not it reflects real world science is irrelevant to the fictional zombie apocalypse.
> they need brain tissue specifically to start clinical trials for their vaccine
HOW. HOW DOES BRAIN TISSUE HELP MAKING A VACCINE
>Whether or not it reflects real world science is irrelevant to the fictional zombie apocalypse
it does when the core moral dilemma of the ending relies on whether or not the doctors can actually do it and the game sells itself as grounded and serious. Vaccines help your body produce antibodies to a specific infection by introducing the necessary antigens in a way where there's no real risk of infection. This is middle school biology. There's no way cutting out a chunk of someone's brain is going to help you make a vaccine.
>HOW. HOW DOES BRAIN TISSUE HELP MAKING A VACCINE
The fungal infection grows on the limbic system (i think) of the brain,
>it does when the core moral dilemma of the ending relies on whether or not the doctors can actually do it and the game sells itself as grounded and serious. Vaccines help your body produce antibodies to a specific infection by introducing the necessary antigens in a way where there's no real risk of infection. This is middle school biology. There's no way cutting out a chunk of someone's brain is going to help you make a vaccine.
It does not matter. The moral ambiguity stems from the choice joel makes as a layman. If the in game universe concludes that brain tissue is needed for a vaccine and not once attempts to contradict the science for this, then in game it is taken at face value as true - it is believable enough for the plot to continue with it. It is why Joel never questions their technique or equipment, and only ever says that if they did succeed that society is too far gone for it to matter as a justification of his actions.
>and only ever says that if they did succeed that society is too far gone for it to matter as a justification of his actions.
I don't remember him saying anything like this
Not him but it doesn't really matter if Joel said it or not. The relevant part is:
>choice joel makes as a layman
Joel made a decision that benefits him in his small view of the world. He wasn't looking at the big picture he was looking out for himself and Ellie. He made a decision in the moment and we don't need anything in the second game to understand this.
And in the second game, he makes this very clear by telling Ellie he would do it all over again exactly if given another chance. That's Joel with the power of hindsight and being honest about what kind of person he is. He knows he's the sort of person who'd trade humanity's hope to take care of Ellie.
>ok maybe they were going to kill her for literally no reason or benefit but Joel couldn't have known that!
Reminds me of that cope article with a headline that was something like "covid vax conspiracy theorists were right but it doesn't count because they were just guessing"
Remember when we weren't allowed to say the virus MIGHT HAVE come from the virus lab a mile away from the outbreak?
you weren't allowed to say that because people needed to come together and form a consensus and not freak out
This is the stupidest fricking post itt. What the frick does that have to do with understanding the OBVIOUS source of the virus? Everyone knew. The only people who didn't were the ones who didn't care enough to look in it to at all
What we needed was the truth. If you think we needed anything, knowing the source would have done wonders for finding a vaccine that actually works.
What we always need is freedom to think.
Good christ. It is just a bad cold for most people.
>What we needed was the truth.
wrong actually, we needed to believe whatever was most effective for making society function properly
You're a useful idiot.
Closing every business except Amazon is what society needed to function properly? Arresting people for going to church or funerals?
You're a complete fricking idiot, just stop posting your dumb little sniveling opinions. Pretend the government told you to, it's for your own good.
>Closing every business except Amazon is what society needed to function properly? Arresting people for going to church or funerals?
not necessarily no, but we did need some information control
>we need censorship
Sure, for the massive corps like Amazon, so that enough people wouldn't understand that those things were unnecessary. Information control is very beneficial to people with bad intentions.
bad and good intentions, any intentions really.
Then I'll take information and facts and the real experts not being silenced so that I can come to my own conclusions about which is which.
You have the mindset of a child who thinks mommy and daddy knows best and will protect you
>You have the mindset of a child who thinks mommy and daddy knows best and will protect you
never said this???
>the government should keep bad scary information away from the public by deplatforming actual scientists who worked on rna technology
>nuh huh i don't think daddy and mommy know best and will keep me safe!
>wrong actually, we needed to believe whatever was most effective for making society function properly
I believe that what is effective for making society function properly is to stop people like you from having any say whatsoever in its function, from the most minor issue to the biggest
I'm glad to hear you'd be okay with laws being made to facilitate this
We did freak out. The governments freaked out. You freaked out so hard you think anything is justifiable for its sake.
Do you still wear a mask?
I don't wear a mask no
meds schizoid
>Joel made a decision that benefits him in his small view of the world. He wasn't looking at the big picture he was looking out for himself and Ellie
And you cannot begin to approach that subject without first looking at whether the fireflies had any chance of actual success. That he made a selfish decision doesn't matter if there was never any hope for a solution from them in the first place. Him killing them to save ellie only matters if they weren't incompetent fricking buffoons who tried to murder him and slaughter their chance for a cure the very first seconds they have.
>it does when the core moral dilemma of the ending relies on whether or not the doctors can actually do it and the game sells itself as grounded and serious. Vaccines help your body produce antibodies to a specific infection by introducing the necessary antigens in a way where there's no real risk of infection. This is middle school biology. There's no way cutting out a chunk of someone's brain is going to help you make a vaccine.
You might actually be too autistic for this.
The whole point of the ending is that it's about a man who has lost everything finally finding something worth living for and realizes it's being taken away from him again and snaps. The details are irrelevant, it's about the moment.
you don't know that, you're not a fungus doctor in the last of us
lol they did this, it says so in the game
> As we've seen in all past cases, the antigenic titers of the patient's Cordyceps remain high in both the serum and the cerebrospinal fluid. Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab... however white blood cell lines, including percentages and absolute-counts, are completely normal. There is no elevation of pro-inflammatory cytokines, and an MRI of the brain shows no evidence of fungal-growth in the limbic regions, which would normally accompany the prodrome of aggression in infected patients.
Too fricking bad the last of us is based in real life attempting to display realistic and grounded consequences in it's narrative which directly centers around the nature of the infection. It's more than open to this criticism, it's the the primary vector. have a nice day cuckman, your story is shit and waving around the 'suspension of disbelief' flag isn't some magical immunity from having to put effort into writing.
They had her no time at all, there is no amount of testing they could've done in that time which would lead to the conclusion of brain removal.
They ran tests in boston where it was determined they needed the fungal samples that grew on her brain.
When why not just take samples of the fungus on her brain and not cut into her actual brain.
because the core of the infection is deep inside the brain and it's significant for an unexplained reason
>The fungal infection grows on the limbic system (i think) of the brain
and? Covid 19 infects the lungs. Do you think they made the vaccine by ripping out peoples lungs? That's not how it works.
it does in the last of us because it's a fictional infection
So it's just bad writing then.
if you want but the game isn't really about that
except the game literally is about that.
no it's about the characters and their relationships to each other, it's not about the details of vaccine distribution and doing blood tests
No, I'm pretty sure it's a big deal that the "morally gray" choice Joel made by saving Ellie was 100% the right thing to do since they were going to kill her for literally nothing, you utter fricking moron
it isn't about a morally gray thing lol it's a character study / character drama, joel's decision had nothing to do with morality
So what drama is there in saving his surrogate daughter from actual mad scientists that were going to kill her for no benefit?
there was benefit, in the fiction of the last of us the vaccine was most likely going to work lol.
because getting angry about china and stuff isn't good when people are freaking out? people just needed to chill
>closing the border to the place where the virus is coming from is racist, you don't even know it was made there
>who cares where it actually came from? That's not even important so it should be allowed to be censored and people who pointed it out should be called crazy racists and be silenced
Ok there's no way you're not baiting at this point. No one is this brain dead.
it's not censored anymore it was only censored when everyone was freaking out
And? What's your point? That it's ok to censor inconvenient information? What does "everyone was freaking out" even mean to you and why did that justify silencing anyone pointing out the facts?
Same thing with the moronic masking and arresting people just for going outside and "social distancing". It was all bullshit with no scientific backing.
Faucci even came out and said recently he has no idea where the whole 6 feet requirement thing came from and that it has no research backing it and that he personally never recommended it. Censoring truth is ALWAYS wrong
>Censoring truth is ALWAYS wrong
no it isn't lol
I guess if you're a huge corporation or government trying to gain unlawful unjustified power you'd have a point. As I am neither of those things, you'd be wrong.
it's important for social cohesion, haven't u ever heard about the noble lie?
yes, we do
Yes, the mega rich and powerful need to control information so that the masses that just want to live their lives don't realize things would be a lot better without them. The noble lie is very important to slave owners, dictators, authoritarians, and fascists
>yes, we do
why are you here? isn't Ganker a bad and scary place full of misogynists and incels? would The Experts approve of you participating in this forum?
>noble lie?
Yes the serfs needed to be lied to so the caring and kind noble class could kill small business and jack up food and gas prices to the point that normal people have to decide whether they want to eat this week or be able to drive to work, thank you Baron c**tfrick what would we do without you
Functioning vaccines can be made from ellie's fungal brain tissue in the last of us universe, so, no, it is not "100% morally correct"
No, it can't. Literally your headcanon.
you = a moron
mad scientist = phd in biology
It's accepted tlou canon and trying to apply meta bullshit to the fictional infection to the fictional zombie apocalypse in order to answer a question of morality is severely autistic.
gb2 reddit
Wrong and debunked already by multiple posts itt
What is the in game logic that contradicts it?
No it isn't? The game is about the brutality and moral ambiguity of mankind faced with an apocalypse, it's literally based on the road by cormac mccarthy and you can quickly see parallels between the man's selfishness in that to joel's. The fungal infection is a narrative vehicle for the themes of the game and is not present for its themes or game mechanics and goes unchallenged logically by the rest of the plot so it's believable enough to serve the game. It's not "bad writing" because the zombie apocalypse can't happen irl or that vaccines for a fungal infection aren't at all congruent to real world medicine.
>ok fine it is bad writing but writing doesn't matter
Lmao. It's the only fricking thing that matters with movie games like this. The writing is the whole reason normalgays loved it so much
Louis Pasteur created the world's first live, attenuated vaccine (for rabies) in 1885 from dessicated brain tissue, and then later spinal cord suspensions.
Conveniently ignored post lmao
Did he kill the only person in the world that was naturally immune to a world ending disease to do it?
Did he make a vaccine by ripping out the brain of an infected organism?
Well the fungus takes over the brain, so those samples could potentially answer something about a vaccine or absolutely nothing. All these answers will never make them killing her without consent And attempting to kill Joel make any more sense anyway, so it's all pointless
You type like a fricking homosexual
have a nice day immediately you fricking cringe weirdo.
Not even a big fan of the games but you're just insufferable. Holy frick
>immune to cancer cells
These are the calibre of people criticizing tlou mcguffin as unrealistic and detrimental.
And how would cutting out a chunk of her brain magically get them a vaccine? Rather than, you know, analyzing her immune system.
I dunno it's not explained because it isn't interesting lol
So realistically, if a competent organization found Ellie, how would they study her?
>take blood sample
>look at her antibodies to figure out what antigens the vaccine needs
>figure out a way to get these antigens inside people without infection in a dose strong enough to help fight future infections, probably through an inert version of the fungus
>test it on a few people and see if it's effective
>tweak as needed.
I think the real problem they encounter is that a vaccine, a preventative solution, is probably out of the question due to the fact that it's a fungus. The "cure" would probably have to be something that is taken after infection, like epinephrine or the drugs that are taken in an emergency after exposure to HIV. The non-Ellie human physiology is entirely vulnerable to this shit and it's not like people will evolve their way out of it. The cure probably involves an immediate injection of a novel highly toxic fungicide after being bitten. But the way they described Ellie's condition the fungus is THERE, it just doesn't affect her. And unfortunately the hack writers haven't addressed what happens when Ellie kisses or fricks someone because she has to be infectious.
Humanity was pretty fricking lucky that casual airborne exposure isn't infectious. There's no doubt everyone is sucking in some number of spores it's just that the mucous of human biology is enough to stop it from actually reaching your nervous system. Like you need a full-on bite to be infected, which is pretty fricking convenient.
Blood and tissue samples
maybe cerebrospinal fluid if nothing came from blood but only after exhausting everything else because doing any sort of big puncture with post apoc medicine should be treated as though it's killing her 100% of the time and nothing more can come from it
Any immunity to it would come from the immune system and maybe the blood-brain barrier, not the brain itself.
Joel even mentions this toward the end of the first game, neither of them know what making the vaccine will entail but he tells Ellie they'll probably just take some blood samples or something
Moreover blood results would obviously be the only thing useful in producing a vaccine as you can't magically change the physical structure of peoples brains with a vaccine.
unironically, the conversation would be brought up to have ellie have offspring to see whether immunity is passed down, and if so, they'd make her have as much as possible to do tests on. this would have made the fireflies seem more competent, while also giving joel a reason to go ballistic.
Why are the last of us critics so obsessed with making raping and impregnating a 14-year-old girl a central part of the story
probably something to do with it being "the last of us". as in, literally the last chance. at all. huh. thats a good name, they should make a game or story about that
She's 14 and a lesbian, don't fantasize about raping her
>can't defend massive plot hole, better start putting words in the smarter peoples mouths
because its more interesting and offputting than a simple she dies surgery, there's a reason why the road is far more effective than tlou, its not afraid to go into the darkest corners of humanity to make the small bright spots lighter. tlou fans are just consuming a watered down product, a game that's too afraid to truly explore the depravity of its world.
The road is legit not as good as the last of us, the boy is a shit character
your opinion has been noted and promptly ignored
This is the gayest post I've seen this year thus far, even gayer than all of the actual gay porn threads on various different boards
Congratulations!!!
>tlou fans are just consuming a watered down product
Its a game. The road is a book. Why are we so obsessed with comparing two totally different mediums?
Both are multi-media products so I don't really know what you're actually trying to say here.
You really think comparing the book to a videogame makes any sense at all? They are fundamentally different in pretty much every aspect.
One is a series of video games, a TV show and I don't know, probably some tie-in fiction books out there. The other is a book with a film adaptation.
And the show tlou and the game are totally different as well. Was proving my point your intention? Just cause they CAN be adapted doesn't mean they are the same.
Literally nothing to do with my post.
I guess it's just funny that plot holes are fine with video games and that the writing is such a lower standard that you can't compare it with books.
Reminded me of how Neil is such a piece of shit writer he could only get a job on a video game
>I guess it's just funny that plot holes are fine with video games
Who said that? Wasn't me.
>he could only get a job on a video game
Pretty sure he just wanted to work on games.
Lol sure he did. Just like people with journalism and communication degrees who can only get a job as a video game "journalist" totally love games
Oh ok cool prove it. I'm waiting.
Every hack who calls him self a game journalist. The guy who couldn't figure out the cuphead tutorial comes to mind. Then someone posted a video of a bird figuring out the puzzle faster than him.
I forgot what game but there was that one butthole who complained about an ending being anticlimactic only to be told he had to play the game on normal, not easy, to see the ending then deleted his review after briefly pretending he did play on normal until one of the actual devs responded. He was a great example
Wait so wheres the proof that druckman didn't want to work on games? That it probably wasn't the first choice for some game journos? This is moronic. You're moronic.
Ya some interview he did for the Prime show he literally says he always wanted to be a real writer for a tv show. I think it was a behind the scenes thing that played after I watched the first two episodes s before the 3rd one was even out
Wow thanks anon. An actual answer good job. If that's true.
If you play on something harder than baby mode then that's just not true.
This post would make Neil cry. He's desperate to be seen as a "real" writer
This would completely fix the plot hole. Neil "please let me be a real tv writer" drukman couldn't come up with this in years. Took anon 200 posts into a random thread
Breed her.
If we found someone immune to cancer, they'd be assassinated for risking companies millions. Not much different.
I watched this movie for the first time two hours ago and in that span I have seen a thread on Ganker and this picture twice outside of said thread. I am the only person alive and the rest of you are just robots trying to get me to kill myself.
Make sure to watch The Painted Bird next!
OH MY GOD WHO CARESSSSSSSSSSSS
>who cares
The show runners did. That’s why they… ya know… changed it?
>changed it
>Picked actor who could do role
>Yes this is definitely to make that schizo on 4chunk mad. We did it boys. Now hes NEVER going to take his medication
You're a fricking moron if you think theres not agenda with the show.
WE GOT ANOTHER 3 OF EM BOYS WERE ON A ROLL
schizo' isn't an argument, in fact all it does is show your hand
THERES ANOTHER ONE
nice job convincingly playing oblivious to what's happening to the media
How would you feel if they made Black Panther white? Or Lee Everett in a Telltale Walking Dead TV series?
Shit they got Black folk playing real historical figures over on the BBC. I say let's see Ryan Reynolds play Martin Luther King Jr and Ryan Gosling play Malcom X
Exactly, if it really doesn't matter then those casting decisions should be just fine
That reminds me I wish we could get a Kingdom Come sequel already
actor who could do role
lmao what is this weak ass shilling? Characters being blackwashed is a meme at this point and you keep posting crap like this
If I understand correctly, an important part of Part 1 is to graph the moral ambiguity (and competence in general) of the Fireflies. The first contact the player has with the organization is a terrorist car bombing.
they're terrorists in the context of a failing authoritarian state
In this context, an insurgent leader with good judgment would not seek to terrorize the population with indiscriminate attacks that guarantee the loss of innocent lives and lose all legitimacy in the eyes of the public opinion of those they want to "liberate".
There is also the recording of the member of the fireflies who let free some monkeys without thinking that they were infected and was immediately killed by them.
That is what I mean by the game depicts the organization as ambiguous as possible also in relation to their competence and whether they are really the best governance option to rebuild civilization, as they proclaim.
Both Joel and the player know something does not add up. The game leaves you breadcrumbs all over.
>In this context, an insurgent leader with good judgment would not seek to terrorize the population with indiscriminate attacks that guarantee the loss of innocent lives and lose all legitimacy in the eyes of the public opinion of those they want to "liberate".
this kind of scrutiny isn't applied to like anything else lmao, you know that fuel only lasts for like six months until it begins to degrade so when bill gives them a thing to suck it out of cars it makes no sense? why not complain about that?
Bill's actions are insubstantial in the narrative. He is a secondary character who is interesting to get to know, but carries no consequences. The Fireflies define Joel and Ellie's journey. Discovering their true moral nature is key.
>There is also the recording of the member of the fireflies who let free some monkeys without thinking that they were infected and was immediately killed by them.
Wrong, he was talking about letting them free in the recording instead of just killing them since he felt bad for them, and while he was talking to one through the cage, it happened to bite him and he realizes he just got infected. They maul him or some shit like that.
*They didn't maul him or some shit like that.
Well, surely the character was portrayed as a competent member of the fireflies.
It was portrayed as a freak accident from a moment of carelessness.
Sure.
>guy spends all his time working with these monkeys
>develops a bit of a fondness for them, evident by the fact that he was planning to go against orders to kill them and just set them free somewhere
>accidentally opens himself up to get bitten because he's too comfortable around them
Fail to see what the issue is here.
Also let's not forget that fireflies prefered to use their manpower on blowing up a random checkpoint and got two randos to escort "the world's last hope".
The morons that were going to kill her were literally never going to find a cure.
but i was feeding people to clickers left and right
>DO YOU LIKE ABBY YET?
>DO YOU LIKE ABBY YET?
>DO YOU LIKE ABBY YET?
>DO YOU LIKE ABBY YET?
>DO YOU LIKE ABBY YET?
imagine the smell of roidussy
I read that in Spongebob's voice, kek.
>DO YOU LIKE ABBY YET MR KRABS?
>Joel doomed humanity by saving Ellie
Can you prove that a cure was ever a possibility?
Also
>next to zero infected in TLoU2
>all this talking over a corridor shooter with baby's first anime tier story
/crust/chads wya?
the fireflies would never have cured the infection
I hope part 3 is new main characters entirely
The world is destroyed, Joel needs money and documents in the first part
>Young, promising hope for the future of humanity
>Becomes a selfish, revenge-obsessed homosexual degenerate who just makes everyone's life harder/worse
Damn, what did they mean by this?
Anon... the game was made by a literal, dyed-in-the-wool, real life israelite
why didn't best korea just nuke the west?
Damn, zoomies really think The Last of Us is in any manner superior to The Road?
Goddamn.
I'd like someone to explain to me how they'd make a vaccine for fungus. Aren't vaccines for viruses?
All foreign bodies are picked up by the bodies immune system. Make a vaccine that primes the immune response for a foreign fungus, same as foreign viral matter (theoretically).
We have vaccines for viruses and bacteria for instance. It's not solely for viruses.
I thought bacteria was strictly antibiotics. Interesting.
Antibiotics are administered for an acute infection, or perhaps prophylaxis of a foreseen immunocompromised state, like organ transplant.
We have for instance the PCV13 vaccine for strep pneumo.
Thank you, anon. <3
Vaccines do not exist for fungal infections, you can't innoculate against mushrooms. The game's entire premise is a farce, doubly so because it tries to be "realistic" in its portrayal
idc got the game free with my GPU
>Another shitty TLOU2 thread
Cuckmann, just stop...
>entering a thread for a game you don’t care about and bumping it
TLOU2 Won
This is the one series where people shitting on it don’t know what they’re talking about. They get basic plot events wrong and constantly resort to lying. Why are you so opinionated on a game you haven’t played?
Just like the Walking Dead, they kinda forgot about the infected. So did the TV show as well interestingly.
Why don't they just shoot all the zombies? They're zombies, it's easy to kill them. Almost all zombie media that takes place after the first week fails to answer this. You have compounds, weapons, and you understand how they work. Any zombie media taking place after the first week and not ending with "the military/new warlord just shows up and locks it all down" isn't being realistic.
And that'd be fine, I like magic zombies. But you know these writers would have a conniption if you said they weren't.
Not to defend the mess that TLoU is, but admittedly, the fact that the spores can make you turn does complicate things. If you breath any of that bullshit in, you're done. So not only do you have fast, hyper aggressive zombies that can infect you with a single scratch, but you've got entire zones that may as well be instant death if you walk in without a gas mask. Not to mention how dead zombies can put out the spores, which could then get into ventilation systems undetected.
Burning everything to a crisp certainly fixes a lot of that, but making it where the fungus grows on its own in places, corpses of infected can grow the fungus, and you're battling the mass hysteria/infection that fast zombies cause is a pretty rough combination.
But yeah, it shouldn't have been a world-ending phenomenon. It'd wipe out some countries and take years to work through most likely, but to reduce the world to an apocalyptic state is a bit of a stretch.
Well it wasn't just the zombies that wiped out civilization, it was 99% of the population getting done in by infected food and later a super virulent airborne pox that makes any area outside the quarantine zones a deathtrap.
It really puts things into perspective with all the fresh war footage coming out right now, and you realize just how many bodies even a single bullet from a 50 cal machine gun can go through.
And they fire like a gazillion of them a sec. Suddenly that crowd of zombos is just mush before a trio of Humvees.
>Most obvious samegay post's
Humanity doomed itself by giving Joel zero reason to care about it above Ellie.
The vaccine would've just created a power vaccuum, a tool to influence control over people. By this point we have a post-infection generation who are raised from birth how to deal with infected and post-apocalyptic society. Joel was right in not taking the chance
When you put any actual thought into the “what if” scenario of them killing Ellie and somehow actually making a cure it doesn’t hold up. This is why pt 2 and it’s shills will always be colossal morons
>fireflies burn through their extremely limited resources to produce The Cure™
>it's used to inoculate a grand total of 2-3 ragtag paramilitary homosexuals
>they all die in the same IED explosion whilst digging through spore pockets for rare loot
Wow, just imagine all the possibilities that a cure could unlock!
Spot on lmao
>whilst digging through spore pockets for rare loot
Pretty much all the vaccine would be good for, outside of the rare times where someone just gets bitten/scratched instead of torn apart
>make The Cure by putting Ellie's brain in a juicer
>inoculate maybe half a dozen people
>whip out the juicer again
>repeat until juicer breaks or humanity is saved
>When you put any actual thought into the “what if” scenario of them killing Ellie and somehow actually making a cure it doesn’t hold up.
You're stupid as shit. The cure wasnt the fricking point.
>The cure wasnt the fricking point.
It plays a big role in the story but regardless I didn’t say it was, no need to have a meltdown bucko
To be fair, betting it all on some risky surgery was kind of a crapshoot to begin with. Honestly, Ellie should just try to have as many kids as possible and hope that they inherit whatever made her immune.
Honestly, it's probably pointless to think too hard about it because it's pretty clearly forced drama. The Last of Us games have some good character writing but the plots themselves are really kinda dumb.
How were the Fireflies even supposed to mass produce and distribute their cure to humanity without basic manufacturing infrastructure or global supply chains?
Joel should have given up Ellie because she turned out to be a terrible daughter.
morally any decision Joel made was correct because they tried to israelite him
The israeliteess was able to survive the whole of TLOU2, my theory is this is thanks entirely to the magical properties provided by greedily sucking on Ellie's wet pussy every night for months. Drinking Ellie's piss and squeezing out Ellie's soggy panties after a long hot sweaty day. She probably had her tongue up Ellie's ass plenty of times too. That also explains how Joel was able to survive the first game
makes sense
sex with Ellie
The entire point is not whether the cure can be created or not, nor whether humanity can survive without it, it's about what Joel believes in. He believes he is dooming humanity and he still chooses Ellie. That's what matters. A world where a father doesn't choose his child over the world is not a world worth saving.
So how many of your children have dried up and shriveled away in a loose sock, shirt, or rag anon? Or even more deplorable, did you eat them? I know I have.
dont you think it's a bit selfish of Ellie to not have children of her own when you think about it?
just watched the show after replaying the first game and I gotta say it's like they're actively trying to ruin every character from the game, Joel especially. They waste so much time on OC donut steel in the first 5 episodes you don+t get any real Joel Ellie bonding so the scenes that are directly taken word for word from the game fall flat because they have no prior characterization that was present in the game. It also doesn't help they forbade the actors to watch the cutscenes/play the game so the frickers don't even know the context of the scenes they're supposed to replicate which they don't have thanks to the first couple of episodes changing so much
>ellie is immune
>israelite isn't
>they kiss
>israelite doesn't die
???
This is especially stupid since they set up Ellie being infectious after biting David. Got to push homosexualry though, I guess.
they didn't set it up for her to be infectious, she was using the fact they don't know she's immune so she could use their panic after she bites him. But it's still stupid because the explanation in the hospital about her condition is that she has the fungus in her still but it's not affecting her
>This is especially stupid since they set up Ellie being infectious after biting David.
I love how you people fall for the bait setup by the fricking game. I bet you believed Joel's lies at the end. Holy shit you people are stupid
Ellie initially has no idea whether she's infectious or not. She makes David believe she might be for a moment, but that's just a desperate diversion tactic.
Her first (post-infection) intimate contact is with a girl named Kat, who kisses HER. Ellie reacts angrily for fear that it might spread, but after seeing that it doesn't she's reassured that she can't infect anyone. It's therefore a non-issue by the time Dina comes along.
>writers were obviously too "socially aware" to have at least one group trying to take ellie and turn her into a breeding factory of immune kids
funny how one of the most obvious and realistic options can't be in the story because it would go against the politics of the devs
It's not like anyone but Joel knew she was immune.
It's even more moronic in the show, because they got rid of spores, the biggest and most dangerous vector to spread the fungus.
A moronic doctor opening the head of a child to see what is inside wouldn't save humanity, and the game doesn't provide support for that. In fact, you could assume he opened the head of many other people with no avail before from the mess.
Joel doomed nobody, and Abby's father deserved it
All the time spent doing that could have been spent organizing purging efforts. Moreover, the Fungus Amongus has the same problem every zombie apocalypse does: unless it makes the host care for itself and can find food and water, it will die in days. If it doesn't need food and water, it will die in a couple weeks from exposure and failure to sleep properly.
Basically by the time Ellie grew up the zombies would be gone and the world would be primed for repopulation.
Cordyceps doesn't require its host to be alive
Do you understand that cells die daily even when the creature is alive?
Without the restorative process maintained by the body, the cordyceps will be sitting alive on a corpse that has no nerve connections and bones that have no muscles to move.
there's not enough adult Ellie cosplay porn, prime tomboy material
Because she's a canon lesbian, and lorecucks arrive in porn by droves being buttholes about it when she's taking the D
NEXT GUY NEXT GUY NEXT GUY
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The fireflies could have thought her bodily fluids had the vaccine in it.
A bunch of cultists wanting to drink her pee.
so what are the chances that Last of us 2 is out on PC this year? Really want to play it, after the pc port of 1 I'm actually enjoying the gameplay and I've heard that 2 is better in that regard
the combat in 2 is the best part of it, and there is plenty of it. But there is also a loooooot of story in between encounters.
>Some questionable cultish "doctors" in a dirty as frick, abandoned and partially destroyed hospital was going to cut open an immune persons head to find.... something, in her brain, all inside a room that isn't secured nor sanitized nor quarantined, neither of which are the "doctors", and they would have, somehow, found a vaccine.
I mean, if your daughterfu had brain cancer you wouldn't go to Mexico to perform the operation, would you.
if it is the only choice I would
>no mention of Sarah
Shit thread
>neil gets humiliated at an award show
>suddenly a mass influx of tlou2 apologists show up on Ganker
Joel shoulda just married Ellie when she was of age.