Genuinely, I'm trying to get myself into the JRPG mindset, and I just can't. Everything I look into ends up being terribly unsophisticated compared to even mediocre WRPG entries.
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If you don't enjoy it, you don't enjoy it. Not like JRPG fans had to put effort into liking these games. Just accept it and move on, you'll feel better
What exactly do you want from a game? JRPGs are pretty linear in nature, so your decisions usually don't mean a lot if that's what you want.
the exact same things i want from WRPGs: good combat, good exploration and good character building.
dumb analogy. I like sushi because it tastes good and is relatively healthy. I might like a japanese movie because its a good movie. I wouldnt like a food or a movie just *because* it is japanese. Is that the appeal to *you*? That its japanese? Thats stupid.
I don't care if something is japanese, but you clearly do because you made this thread
JRPGs are an established genre. That most are games developed by Japanese people is actually incidental. For example, ff ix is considered a JRPG but it was actually developed by a western studio. Dark souls is not considered a JRPG despite being both developed in Japan and ostensibly an RPG. I am asking JRPG fans to explain why and what about the genre they like. Now please, you gay moron, stop being so obtuse.
>ff ix is considered a JRPG but it was actually developed by a western studio.
Using a Japanese dev team.
>Dark souls is not considered a JRPG despite being both developed in Japan and ostensibly an RPG.
Mainly by people too moronic to know that Dark Souls is a jrpg.
>I am asking JRPG fans to explain why and what about the genre they like
Cool characters, nice art-style, a personal story that doesn't feel like the eleventh regurgitation of modern DnD, comfy world.
NTA but the analogy makes sense. You like sushi because you think it tastes good. It's incidental that it's Japanese. I like JRPGs because I think they're fun. It's incidental that they're Japanese
As multiple people have pointed out, no use in trying to get into something if you don't like it. But if you really want to try some, name some RPGs you do like and some non-RPGs you like so we get a sense of your taste.
>good combat
You mean like Dark Souls where you just press the dodge button until the enemy is done their attack animation before you press the attack button? Or Skyrim where you just press the attack button repeated until the HP sponge you're fighting arbitrarily dies? Or Baldur's Gate where you just move to a position so you can press the attack button?
You're right bro WRPGs are superior and nothing like JRPGs
>good exploration
Ah yes I love running into copypaste dungeons wasting 30+ minutes to get a weapon that will be obsolete within 5 minutes, or running off to far corners of the near empty open world map to find... nothing. I hate each area having a purpose and not being filled with meaningless busy work or empty space to give the artificial feeling of being a vast open world, you're right bro JRPGs suck.
>and good character building
Yeah I love being given a choice to either take the strongest build that actually lets me play the game or dump my stats into a bunch of meme builds that are objectively inferior to the 1-3 viable builds. Your right bro JRPGs suuuuuucccckkkkkkk
>like Dark Souls
bro that's a jrpg, you know that right?
i mean it's an action game. It's tenuous to call it an rpg of any kind.
>wRPG
>good combat
holy frick lol
>good exploration
best exploration in modern RPGs are from japan (fromsoft/monolithsoft)
>JRPGs are pretty linear in nature, so your decisions usually don't mean a lot
Every time I see a statement like this I want to strangle a b***h. This is one of the most common stereotypes and it's wrong as hell. A huge amount of jrpgs incorporate choice, most have multiple endings and branching paths. Or big open sections where the story goes nonlinear so the player has choice. The very first RPG to have multiple endings where the player's choice mattered was Dragon Quest for crying out loud.
I would also add that the supposed non linearity of wrpgs is actually largely fake, very few games having the budget to script and program multiple permutations or branching content. A lot of player "choice" is just dialogue flavor options. It's not something I look for in RPGs and linearity or predefined characters is not something I hold against JRPGs, and actually I think CRPGs as a medium are awfully suited to non linearity and c&c driven experiences.
dude, you just described like the 95% of the formula for scripting a game. is very simple in theory, but just go ahead and type billions of lines of great scripting by yourself, fricking moron. This includes all type of RPG games, Western, Japanese, Corean, European, is the same shit when you put it in those terms.
want something different, just go back to stupid fifa games and never go back, stupid whinny b***h
I totally understand what you say, it can be corny or cringe sometimes, is ok if you are not into, is not your type of games, you have to consider yourself that most of japanese games are made for adults who never want to grow up and want to experience childish fairy tale adventures.
>The very first RPG to have multiple endings where the player's choice mattered was Dragon Quest
lol
>lol
Ok, other than TTRPGs which don't count for purpose of discussing videogames, name an RPG prior to Dragon Quest which featured ending effected by the choice you made.
>Dragon Quest which featured ending effected by the choice you made
lol
>Dragon Quest which featured ending effected by the choice you made.
It wasn't a full-fledged ending, but just an elaborate game over instead.
It was highly limited by the tech of the time. But you could choose to rescue and thus eventually marry the princess or not, and you could choose to BBEG or join him...which was bad end but it was still your choice. RPGs up to this point had not been doing anything like that.
>But you could choose to rescue and thus eventually marry the princess or not, and you could choose to BBEG or join him...which was bad end but it was still your choice. RPGs up to this point had not been doing anything like that.
But thou must. This is no different than choosing not to give the orb back at the end of Wiz 2. Wiz 4 is the first RPG I can think of with multiple endings.
And the first game I can think of whose gameplay revolved around player choice was Ultima 4. Something about 4s.
>give yourself over to evil
>world becomes shrouded in darkness
>basically become the dragon lord's b***h
>"wtf why is the ending so unsatisfying?!"
This anon is right, there are linear wrpgs and jrpgs that have choices that don't matter, it's not exclusive to genre or nationality.
Some JRPGs with Choices Matter and Multiple Endings:
>Devil Survivor Overclocked
>Growlanser II and IV
>Langriser II and IV
>Disgaea 1-3
>Soul Nomad
>SMT IV
>Tales of Xillia 2
>Valkyrie Profile: CotP
>Persona 4 Golden
>Fire Emblem Three Houses
>Caligula Effect Overdose
>Fate/Extra
>Sakura Taisen
YMMV with the latter titles but every game here has multiple endings and some level of choice the player is constantly making either regarding gameplay or story progression. Just have to look in the right places, same as WRPGs or any other genre. All it takes is a google search to see if something has multiple endings people.
Xillia 2 is funny in a morbid sense.
>Everything I look into ends up being terribly unsophisticated compared to even mediocre WRPG entries.
that is 100% false, wrpg is the genre with the most bugs of all
if you don't like japanese movies or japanese food do you try to get into the jmovie or jfood mindset? I don't see the point
>art
>music
>gameplay designed to emphasize the artistic experience
That's pretty much it. WRPGs are more subordinate to the writers than the artists in contrast. There are precisely 0 good writers in the video game industry and this leads to the grim state of WRPGs.
WRPG's biggest problem is they set themselves up for an endless and futile attempt to emulate tabletop RPGs which can never be realized.
I don't see the point to it anyway. Let tabletop be tabletop and let computer games be games played on a computer. Make the best of your medium
idea was computers could automate boring stuff like calculating dice rolls and modifiers
I didnt really get into playing jrpgs until I started working 50 hour weeks and didnt feel like playing some big action packed steam game after work. Theres something really relaxing about just exploring a jrpg world for a couple hours at the end of the day. Thats just how i got into them at least
>WRPG
False flag by a weeb.
I just can't get into JRPGs. The characters and their interactions just seem so cringe. Plus they usually have the most boring 4 homies in a row turn based combat that hate. The only jrpgs I like are the classic ones like chrono trigger that have amazing stories and actually good characters
>The characters and their interactions just seem so cringe.
In a lot of cases, this is due to western localizers deliberately making dialog cringe.
Sounds like a case of irony poisoning which can't digest anything that isn't self-mockery.
>ones like chrono trigger that have amazing stories and actually good characters
2/10 troll attempt. you'll snag the CT fanboys, but that is all.
>I just can't get into JRPGs
>The only jrpgs I like are the classic ones like chrono trigger that have amazing stories and actually good characters
It sounds like you like JRPGs, just old JRPGs, unless you somehow like only chrono trigger and none of the other countless games made by the same people
story, music, graphics, enough theorycrafting to entertain next question
Old (90s) JRPGs are cool when you are a teenager, but I do not know why someone would persist in playing them into adulthood, or why someone would keep playing the newer ones. Weebs, I guess.
Don't even bother trying. A large chunk of JRPGs are linear, with very simple dialogue/characterisation, a simplistic combat system with few to no meaningful choices and overly easy encounters. And the vast majority of them have awful writing - which is surprising, Japs also make VNs, some of which are pretty good.
My guess is that it has everything to do with the presentation. JRPGs tend to have a nicer, cleaner, more appealing artstyle and more distinctive music. Other RPGs prefer doom & gloom with a more ambient soundtrack. Plus fewer attractive women. That's my guess, people like JRPGs because of their aesthetics, not because of their content. Though personally I find the atmosphere of games like VTMB, Witcher 1 or System Shock 2 above anything the Japs have ever made.
That's not to say ALL JRPGs are bad. Some of them, like the SaGa series, pride themselves on their nonlinearity and Black Souls is just about the only well-written JRPG. But you should try to avoid the genre and take the opinions of their fans with a heavy dose of scepticism.
weebs are media ignorant junkies who think their moonslop is the height of vidya/literature/film/series and will never know what they don't know. JRPGs cater to this ignorant and backwards fanbase, hence why they're all the same childish nonsense. It isn't likely you'll find anything satisfying from this trough if you didn't start in it.
Now RPGs with black kweens and dykes? Those are real RPGs. I fricking love Western RPGs.
JRPGs were once called Light RPGs. That should be your frame of reference.
> even mediocre WRPG entries.
You sound ZOOMISH!
>jrpg age much better than wrpg art and gameplaywise
>wider variety of artstyles,
Wrpgs just have the same hyperreal slop that ages like milk, jrpgs have everything from children's story book art to odd obstructions out of a Salvador Dali painting
>gameplay, and often hybridization among other genres
You are going to b***h about turnbased ones, but that's only surface level shit, there are plently of jrpgs that play like platformers i.e. rocketslime, or kingdomhearts, or magic pengel. Ones that are like RTS like growlanser. And even shumps like sigma star.
>Music
Overall Jrpgs have much better scores.
Aren't you that mentally ill guy who's obsessed with race?
I still don't know what a "WRPG" is. It doesn't describe anything.
a role playing game made in the west, but you know what people means when they say WRPG, you're just being an autist
No, I don't. Like how are Skyrim and Underrail related? It's nonsense stemming from the fact that people don't know what a jRPG is anymore.
It's kind telling that people who engage in the east vs. west slapfight aren't very knowledgeable or competent with regards to RPGs. Guess it's like a fallback to having nothing intelligent to say.
Aesthetics. I like the cool, charming character designs and beautiful characters, the unique monster and mech designs, the cool settings of a world set on the back of humongous titans and the crazy plots of rejoining worlds or time travel and stuff. I like the dramatic posing of the characters and camera framing in battles. I like the spell effects. Etc. JRPG are incredibly memorable visually, which is imperative in an AUDIO-VISUAL medium. I find Western games to be visually unmemorable unless they're World of Warcraft or The Banner Saga.
MUSIC: again JRPGs triumph here with their memorable melodies.
STORY: I find the characters to be very likeable and endearing, and characters are what keeps someone invested in a story. People will stick out a meh plot if they like the characters. I am hard pressed to think of any WRPG characters that I got invested in, whereas there are too many to count for JRPG characters.
Gameplay: is usually fun.
At it's core, JRPGs are a way of getting DnD and RPGs on consoles, in a streamlined way where you don't need huge manuals and lots of external help to understand mechanics/experience the game. The idea is anyone can turn them on and start playing and understand what's going on.
I think along the way too many didn't understand this and you get some really generic garbage that unfortunately clogs up the genre.
it's not for everyone, move on and play your halo
They suck, only few of them are worthwhile. I will name them for you.
1) Chrono Trigger
worth it for the music, its length is great since its not too long, and the gameplay is fun.
2) Final Fantasy game
Pick between (6,7,9,10)
One of them should suffice, as they get stale and boring if you play all of them, but any of those games will be a good representation of the series.
3) Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne
Turnbased inspired by the pokemon system, it has some rpg elements so you may enjoy it.
it tends to be edgy so dont take it too seriously
4) Dragon Quest V or VIII
the most basic and epitome of jrpg formula,
done in the best way.
5) Earthbound
quirky weird take on the jrpg genre deserves a shot
6) Tactics Ogre
a tactical jrpg where surprisingly the turnbased combat is above average, has decent story too. deserves a shot
7) Suikoden 2
the last jrpg you play, its the best one so its good to end on this note, play it after finishing the 6 games before it.
thats where you get the seal of jrpg
all other games dont deserve your time. replay a good rpg instead.
funny to end the list with tactics ogre and suikoden 2, by far some of the worst battle systems ever. so. fricking. boring.
way to out yourself as a normal gay
>3) Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne
>Turnbased inspired by the pokemon system
Firstly the combat is nothing like Pokémon due to the Press Turn system. And secondly SMT did monster collecting before Pokémon.
It's funny because I feel exactly the same way about WRPGs. With JRPGs, sure you'll often have 4 homies in a row combat, but generally there'll be a bunch of other system gimmicks attached to make that feel fresh, and then sometimes you also have more action-based gameplay like with the Tales series, Star Ocean, or even stuff like Nier and Souls.
WRPGs have the exact same boring regurgitation of DnD mechanics every single time. Sure there's exceptions like Fallout, but ultimately they're the same garbage every time. That wouldn't be enough for me to dislike them, but then you also end up with an extremely bland and forgettable cast of characters who have absolutely no effect on the story because the PC is god and has to be able to flip out and murder his party for no reason other than "you can do anything!!!!" which is lame and limits every party member to ultimately just being a bag of meat that follows you around. Shit sucks, man.
Its so bizarre how Adam Sessler and Jennifer Hepler are beloved here now.