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how did we go from solidly good $400 gaming computers to this shit
a good gaming pc still costs $400
4090 is a ai card not a gaming card
>a good gaming pc still costs $400
prove it.
not OP but I was curious so I made a part list. Other than a lack of VRAM I think this one would be pretty badass for $430 USD. As much shit as the 6500XT got at launch (and rightly so for its price), now that it's like 1/3rd of that, its a pretty decent budget card.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rxGjKX
basic build. you can easily get a better or cheaper machine by looking for used parts locally or re-using a component or two from an old computer
swap the 3600 for a 5600x at the least. Zen 3 has less stutters than Zen 2.
>Zen 3 has less stutters
it's also $60-70 more. in a $400 budget that is a huge swing in price
>Used power supply
Do you have a deathwish or something? Why the frick would someone get a used power supply but a new fricking case? Get a new ass power supply and pick up some old antec from 2000s locally for a tenner.
Ryzen 5 3600 at my place is solid option, cant be more happy with it, stuff like minecraft had like 2x FPS boost. It is that budget GPU prices are still moronic.
Nta but rx7800 is $500
You can also play current games at 1080p with a gtx1080 for $80.
I built mine for around $400. Ever heard of a "Xeon kit"? Sellers on AliExpress will take an used Xeon, used RAM, and a simple new mobo, and sell that cheap. Excellent starting point for a budget build.
Steam deck with a docking station. I was playing Europa Universalis IV and Destroy all Humans 2 on it. Shit was actually cash.
>Europa Universalis IV and Destroy all Humans 2
You can run those on a $100 used laptop. This thread is about gaming PCs.
Intel 12100 and a used 2060 plus some crap ram and budget mobo.
That'll be 400 aud
>a ai
ya its a ai not an ai eh
reminds me of those old build shitposts where someone builds a decent budget computer and then slaps on 3000 mousepads on the order as well
Don't forget the Pop-Tarts!
Its the same shit that happened to building custom automobiles. Enthusiasts are willing to overpay for everything. The more expensive it gets, the more bragging rights they have. There is no such thing as a corporate dick too big for their throats.
This, being a bad shopper is no excuse for overspending to make people like you more.
NVidia basically stopped competing on price since it's finished using the gaming market to bootstrap itself fully into industrial computing.
just get a 6600, its good enough to run most games 1440p ultra 60fps. its under $300 australian
but can I get 60fps in valdrakken or LFR?
>solidly good for 400 burgers
That has never been the case.
Maybe he meant just the gpu alone?
Two VooDoo 2s back in the day ran you 600, but that was the top of the line.
that's like 10k adjusted for inflation grandpa
Really? I actually had that setup, but it was eventually stolen. Lemme check the inflation calculator.
>1.1K
HOLY FRICK WE ARE DOOMED
Nvidia turned PC gays into console warring tards.
They will literally defend anything Nvidia does.
Buy an AMD 6XXX or 7XXX GPU as they still have decent drivers these days. Sure you don't get DLSS but who fricking cares.
Paying $2,000 for a GPU that will be pretty shit in 2 years from launch is fricking diabolical.
Not that anon but while I have hatred for years of bullshit (cheating benchmarks, using mega high quality hairworks to make amd run worse, pricing scams, selling cards to miners), DLSS is so much better than FSR that it makes nvidia tit for tat way fricking better.
Like I said, I hate nvidia as a company, but their technology is so much better that unless amd releases a super card with twice the base performance I gotta go with nvidia because FSR sucks wieners.
DLSS and FSR is shit.
Native or frick off. 6XXX and 7XXX are capable of running modern games natively without much issue.
Black person, native is obviously king, but ill take dlss with high/max settings over native low/medium any day.
FSR is a blurry mess and if you think they're equal then you're a moron.
FSR3 and DLSS3 are pretty much identical at this point and FSR3 going full open source will allow people to make it better. Stop with this cap, you have an argument for FSR2 and DLSS2 but FSR3 and DLSS3 are almost the same now. Even in fricking flopspoken when you compare in motion they look very much the same. But both these systems require you to be able to achieve at least 80fps in native to get a smooth experience this is true for both DLSS3 and FSR3 otherwise you get ghosting.
>FSR3 and DLSS3 are pretty much identical at this point
They absolutely are and FSR3 enjoys a 10% boost in performance against DLSS3.
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Even Nvidia 2XXX and 3XXX gays are rooting for FSR3 and looking for FSR3 mods because Nvidia locked DLSS3 to 40XX cards to make you upgrade.
I agree that FSR3 is way better than FSR2, but I prefer even DLSS performance over FSR3 quality.
Nvidia pumps out tons of DLSS supported games, while AMD is at 12 games total after 6 months of FSR 3 being released. It's good that it exists but its not the ideal solution yet.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/amd-fsr-3-now-in-a-dozen-games-including-starfield-too-bad-the-latter-has-hemorrhaged-players-since-launch
Plus, its worth mentioning, that AMD has bribed devs to not allow DLSS in their games and in some cases actively remove DLSS from their games from the beta to release stages.
>FSR3 and DLSS3 are pretty much identical at this point
At 4K, upscaled from 1440p, they are. Or if DLSS is better, it's not noticeable unless you zoom 10x on some barely visible tree on the distance.
But, at least for now, DLSS is a lot better if you upscale from lower resolutions. At 1440p, DLSS wins every time. At 1080p they are both pretty bad, but FSR is way way worse.
>AMD has bribed devs to not allow DLSS
Nah, that was a bullshit conspiracy theory. Because Nvidia owners were mad that Starfield didn't support DLSS at launch. Guess what, it didn't support FSR3 either, just FSR2 and not even the latest version. They ended up adding support for DLSS before FSR3.
Baldur's Gate 3 didn't support FSR for months, no one complained.
Nightgale is removing FSR3 https://videocardz.com/newz/nightingale-developers-decide-to-remove-amd-fsr3-support-right-before-launch because it makes the game crash for whatever reason, no one is complaining either.
I will never forgot, and always remind nvidiots that they threw a collective melty over not getting DLSS in a game that turned out to be irredeemable garbage.
Starfield?
Yes.
>FSR is a blurry mess
this is only true if you use performance mode... which is meant to prioritise performance. use quality mode if you want... you know, quality. or just use AFMF to get double fps with no loss of visuals at all, but then you'll probably cry about the 20ms frame delay which no human can even perceive.
Maybe 7900XTX can run native well enough but modern games are such slop you don't get decent FPS in native res in many new games. I consider average 60 with 1% lows worse than that pretty much unplayable these days.
Buddy, I owned a gtx 670 for 10 years. A 4090 would last longer.
>that will be pretty shit in 2 years
It will likely run every game for the next 10 years at a minimum on ultra with good fps.
I still don't think it justifies the cost, but let's not pretend this is going to stop being good any time soon. Even the gtx1080 is still good by today's standards.
I still have a 600$ pc and it run pretty much everything so i don't see the point of wasting 3000+ on pc for some rtx meme
Even when I was a teenager in the 2000s before gaming pcs' even existed, I knew a top the line computer would cost at least $2k
t. bought alienware
>I knew a top the line computer would cost at least $2k
In what world, not even the wallmart premades costed that much
Why do you need a 4090, if a PS5 is equivalent to a RTX 2060 which costs less $250
PS5 performance in mode is 1080p and 60 fps
or better yet, get a RTX 3060 which is even better, for $290
Nobody will answer you because only disingenuous arguments are allowed on console war threads.
Yeah, I see it's like that in these threads most of the time, just empty arguments
At the end of the day, consoles are still a closed hardware, and outdated a few years after release
Don't want to be confined to PS5-tier performance, while I'm at it going above might as well go and shoot for something which could survive the PS6 gen as well.
*should add I still denounce the current GPU market but old PC broke so it couldn't be shikatanai'd
>Don't want to be confined to PS5-tier performance
>Completely ignore what I wrote and the youtube video I post
With the RTX 3060 you will be able to play in ultra graphics and same resolution as performance mode in ps5, or 1440p with the same graphics, or 4k at 30fps, instead of the 1080p 60fps or 1728p 30fps that PS5 gives you in quality and performance modes
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>old PC broke
Well in that case you will have to invest more, so you might as well stick with using your ps5
I know, it's the same reason why Alan Wake 2 uses software solutions instead of hardware, besides running on low graphics, and that also happen with other UE5 games, like Fortnite
Cope. I'm on 4060 and you get High graphics settings in AAA slop. Ultra you need to cope with DLSS. 3060 is like 10% weaker so I don't what you are smoking.
You can do it, you will just have more constant framedrops, sometimes it also depends on the game, or the engine of that game. Anyway it is not necessary to play in ultra, high is enough, especially when almost every new game on current consoles runs with low (or even lower that low pc settings) to medium graphics settings, to run on performance mode, and games are created with the console version in mind
I forgot about this, you have a 4060, and I guess it has 8gb of vram, and having more vram is crucial if you want to play games at the highest graphics settings
The older 3060s have 12gb of vram, which was recommended to buy over the 8gb vram model, as well as avoiding the 4060 for the same reason
Another video on the subject
Remember that this is only for Ultra graphics, you can still play most of the games, with the 4060, with everything in high settings and 60 fps, which is better than on consoles which runs a mix of lower that low, low, medium and high settings
But still, the 3060 12gb vram, will have better performance in ultra graphics, than the 4060 with 8gb vram
The problem with 8GB is that some assets don't even load properly. Even if the framerate is fine.
Watch this video https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?feature=shared , check Hogwarts Legacy and Forspoken.
12GB is the new minimum.
>two more dogshit terrible games
...so? The quality of the game has nothing to do with its graphics. All RE Engine games are like this as well, I played RE2 Remake on a 4GB card and some textures didn't load. I had to lower texture quality from high to medium because I found the pop-in too distracting.
Most engines would rather drop texture quality than tank the framerate, that's why 8GB cards seem fine in benchmarks when they're not.
Yes, that's why people also complained a lot to nvidia to release a 4060 with 8gb of vram, instead of 16gb of vram, which would have been a logical upgrade from the 3060 with 12gb of vram
That they are bad games (Hogwarts Legacy not so much) does not discredit what they can demonstrate with the gpus, if a bad game runs better on a previous gen gpu than on the newer one, it is because there are problems with that new gpu
the PS5 doesn't support mesh shaders like the rtx2060 lmfao, even the gtx1650 has that implementation and that's why it has better value over time than the ps5
Late stage capitalism. Line has to go up, nothing personal consoomer.
because 91% of people are still playing the same shit they were in 2012 on the same graphics card they had back then
whoa there
stop asking antisemitic questions
RX 7800 XT is around 500 bucks
I don't want to pay $500 for a video card
I want to go back to the days when I could pay $150 for a great mid-tier card
Wish for $150 mid-range cards in one hand, and shit in the other, frogtourist. See which one fills up first.
You know those annoying old people who talk about how they remember buying gas for $0.25 a gallon? You're turning into the modern day version of them
>You know those annoying old people who talk about how they remember buying gas for $0.25 a gallon?
I don't find that annoying. If anything, they are the smarter bunch.
I bought $180 650 Ti Boost on launch and it was already obsolete when Metro Last Light released. I couldn't even reach 60 FPS at the lowest setting.
unfortunately we will not get there anymore, the times of the gtx 650, 750, 950 are over
you have to opt now for gpus above $250, or look in the used market
That hasn't been the case in over 20 fricking years
>That hasn't been the case in over 20 fricking years
>$140 1050ti can run AAA game like BF1 high setting 1080p 60fps.
Pascal generation was a mistake NVIDIA won't repeat ever again. And they won't need to because of AI.
Of course they won't, that's why they scam people by selling 4050 as 4060 while also raising the MSRP.
It could be the next 1050ti if it was sold under $200.
>We need to adjust for inflation
>CPU still cheap
>DDR4 still usable and got much cheaper
>DDR5 doesn't cost twice of DDR4
>SSD getting cheaper until the israelites start manipulating the production limit recently just to raised the price again.
B-B-B-BUT MUH INFLATION MSRP PRICING
f
pick your poison
Come home, white man.
>not the A380
Come on, at least post something not aimed towards oil tycoons.
>meme card that will not be supported
that thing supports everything except very old directx9 games
nah for me it's the A750
maybe in two or three gens they just aren't there yet
You can still make a really good pc for 500. Just don't be a tard. The 4090 is only for those who want the highest end. With a budget of 550 my brother has a complete 1440p gaming pc. It's even a bit future proofed thanks to dlss. I know it's hated but he won't care when he can still game for a long while to come.
Less than 1% of PC players have such hardware. It's not really part of the actual gaming market.
Nvidia is playing stupid games with market segmentation and is trying to split their GPU categories up so that each market segment is paying the maximum amount that they would theoretically be willing to pay.
This means that cards are given weaknesses that are obvious to the market segment that would have originally settled for them but may have been willing to pay a little more.
it happened once you've decided that you can settle for no less than 4k 240fps with ultra turbo full scene path tracing. i can probably build you a $400 pc from used parts with a second gen mid tier ryzen and gtx1080, it would run every fun game on the market just fine. highest-end, latest-gen parts PCs were never ever cheap
that piece of hardware in the OP is really only for the most extreme enthusiasts. there is no use case outside of maybe a content creator, or prosumer who just wants to walk around Cyberpunk 2077 with 55 mods installed. that's like looking at a McLaren 720S thinking you need it for your commute when the Corolla exists. inb4
>but you need it for VR!!!
pc master race became a meme and all the moronic normalgay redditors started up any and all nvidia shit regardless of cost or quality
triple A companies making "Realistic" graphics and shit. This is why we should go back to stylized stuff.
Ultraconsumerism is fricking cancer
needless graphics bloat which puts extreme demands on hardware for barely any meaningful return
It started with nvidia pushing super high end hardware as "must have". Nobody but a handful of idiots with more money than sense bought into this, though, because no games on offer demanded even half the power of nvidia's top of the line. So nvidia start getting real close to game devs and publishers, and since like 2010 games starting with AAA but really even AA now and some indies have become nothing but showcases for nvidia hardware. Nvidia convinces them that gamers want games that will use every single feature on the card, they want the absolute highest resolutions, they want dynamically rendered shadows and reflections even if it tanks FPS into the ground. So devs start doing this. They don't care about hardware requirements because nvidia gives them free top of the line cards to develop on, and is paying for them to showcase the hardware's limits.
If these companies actually did independent market research they'd find that only a tiny fraction of their potential audience even games on 4k displays. If they did their own surveys asking about Ray Tracing they'd find 99% of gamers don't even know what it is, and thus wouldn't give a single shit if the game had it or not. Think about all the over done graphic shit in games now and how little it has to do with what people buying games actually want. Stardew Valley is one of the most popular games of the last decade and it's a fricking 2D pixel game made by one guy. Graphics are a meme.
Why do you have so many replies you samegayging prostitute
When the way too long lasting ps360 gen finally ended. 10 fricking years of same hardware.
reminder that Ultra settings is a fricking meme and only homosexual morons try to push that shit.
You can still get a solid gaming PC for cheap if you're happy with 1080p, 60fps and no memetracing
Graphics hit diminishing returns years ago. I have an expensive PC but that's only because I fell for the VR meme.
you can still get a $400 PC and play games that look like the games you played when PCs were $400
Nvidia turning into Apple
Meme tech
Industry realizing they can double the price of anything by including the word "gaming".
Crypto.
covid
crypto
AI
nvidia stock skyrocketing and them realizing they can do whatever the frick they want
Go on Marketplace and you can find plenty of serviceable gaming PCs for that price.
Sometimes they might have weird issues and require a replacement part though
I has nothing to do with crypto or AI.
It has to do with PC Gaming becoming console war centric thanks to EGS vs Steam and AMD vs Nvidia.
By having sides it is easy to turn rebbit sobyoys into culture warriors and loyal brand buyers.
This creates an unneeded demand by people who buy a new computer every fricking year with the newest GPUs because linus homosexual tips told them to.
bad devs who make terrible unoptimized garbage of shit are being rewarded thus hardware needs to carry the load
I remember when graphics cards were $250 usd.
Literally the same price of a Wii, Original Xbox, or ps2 but in a single component for you Dell/Compaq desktop with Accelerated Graphics Port (AGP)
this is just for ai prompters to prooompt and miners, nobody needs this, a 4060 is good enough for gaming even if you "NEED" raytracing for some reason
Not even close. Ain't nobody playing 120 fps 4k with full raytracing without a 4090. And if you aren't, you might as well be a console pleb.
You'll NEVER get 120fps 4k with full raytracing on a 4090, unless you upscale and fake frame the shirt out of it.. it's just still a gimmick.
You can but only on games made before 2016
nobody is playing at 4k you moron, and if you are, you're a moron. double moron.
>raytracing
hahaha you fell for that? you deserved to get ripped off.
You don't need a 4090. A 4070 super will absolutely dumpster on all current gen consoles.
>4070 super
>12GB
lol
my rx460 from THE LAST DECADE has 8
Your rx460 is also utter dogshit, so there's that.
Yeah no difference between that and a card with only 12GB in 2024 LMAO
theres not a single good game that wont run on a 3060, said card also offers best price-perf ratio, depending on your regional price ofc
Nice try Jensen, but we're not going to buy your old, overpricedand underpowered stock of shitty cards. People with a brain will get a 6700xt.
lmao
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/gaming-pc-build-you-need-beat-ps5/
>Its another meme list of components that have changed their price and availability since it was published.
lmao
Yeah. It got cheaper
>consoleBlack person is moronic
lmao, now the things are either cheaper or the better parts got cheaper, basically for this price you can buy an even better PC
consoleBlack folk are pathetic lmao
Holy frick. At that point you might as well get a phone with a snapdragon and attachable controller. I get free computer stuff from friends, but if I didn't have access I would even bother.
>buy a console
Nah lol
i'm still playing most games on my 1060, though i haven't tried any AAAslop because I just have zero interest in it so if you're one of those kinds of people yeah maybe
i've had a 2060 for quite a while and the only game to really show it was when i pirated starfield
>look up the most expensive GPU
>WOW GUYS IT'S SO EXPENSIVE!
PCbros...
Who is playing videogames on the state-owned nuclear simulation supercomputer?
Me. I use these things every day. Linux is the future
Nuclear engineers and physics nerds fricking around on their lunch break.
i need it to make dota 2 run at a solid 144 fps
cool but how well can it run Crysis
Pretty poorly probably. These things are fast but the latency on these things tends to be abysmal.
>Supercomputer
Black person I'm not going to compute chaos theory any time soon, why would anyone except goberment funded researchers need a super computer?
To build their perfect AI wife
>Buy $100 million dollar super computer for weaher forecasting
>It says tomorrow will be sunny
>It rains for 5 hours
>Money stolen
Forecasts are only as good as the data you give them so really it's not about who has the best and fastest super computer, it's about who has the most satellites and observation stations with the best instruments.
partly true. forecast calculations are also chaotic enough that computation precision errors can build up to very large errors over time. it's usually correct for 1 day in the future, but anything further is already a bad estimation.
>and video gaming
us ausgays suffer
At least get a good looking card if you want to spend high
> 4080
> Good
lmao. In many ways it's the worst card in the lineup, because it is the one that got gimped the hardest at the highest price. An XTX curb stomps it.
I did, got the best of the best. I am running MSI Liquid Suprim X on a black hytec y40 case.
Sorry, this is the right pic.
Whoops sorry this is the real one.
ASUS TUF OC 7900XTX 24GB.
It never gets hot because they just slapped the 4090 cooler on it and called it a day.
Thing can reach a stable OC of 3.2GHz and you're within 5% of the 4090 in performance.
TUF cards are fricking awesome and not overpriced either
Honestly was a bit hesitant at first but have had no problems with TUF 7900XTX. I don't think it ever went over 65C either yet even on a hot 39C Japanese summer day.
TUF was the worst offender with ear-raping coil whine out of all the XTX models I tried (I tried them all) and shit software. Nitro was only one with barely audible whine which after a few months was totally gone.
Im just using the defaults really.
Don't really have any coil whine.
What's your fan profile? Mine run at 1900-2000 RPM and keep the Hotspot <=80C while playing RE4 at 240 fps/1080p, wondering how good my Sapphire Pulse is. Also, what's a good benchmark program
Not sure if you're interested, I'm running my Nitro on ultrawide up to 165hz and the highest speed my fans go when under full load is no more than 1400rpm and I can keep the hotspot at 78°C max.
I built this a few months ago. If you knew how powerful this thing is, you’d cum blood.
>ASUS
Is there any real reason for a large power jump after getting a RTX 4070 series card? Most games don't have enough effects and shit for anything beyond 4k 60 fps to be an actual hurdle. Plenty of games are still releasing on the phone hardware of the Switch, and games that "need" all that horsepower often cost hundreds of millions to make, so most devs won't even go for that.
For good vidya all you generally need is an RX 6600 which has prices starting around $200.
>The most expensive component is... EXPENSIVE????
WHAT THE FRICK????
Local AI got me by the balls. Intending to go Quad GPU when RTX 5000 series hit. Oh, and playing any vidya too of course.
>Pony XL SD
>Miqu Leak
The best is yet to cum.
>3DPD garbage
Nah.
why quad gpu if sli an nvlink are dead
Vram pooling over PCIE
lmao
there are more missing pieces than that
an ai girlfriend can't
1. marry you
2. hug you and give you physical affection
3. bear your children
better start treating those people you call 'roasties' with some respect.
Protip: modern women are shit at all of that
modern men are far worse
Post breasts and share your OnlyFans
Neither can a real one
and neither do roasties
Wtf i don't remember writing that last comment
Nice try roastie, I'm not becoming your personal bank account
Just you wait until they start making robots. Then we’ll see who’s laughing.
>Just you wait until they start making robot
Nvidia robot:
>for 1000$ you get a Sexbot9050 that will lightly kiss your dick, but only the very tip
>for 5000$ you get a Sexbot9060 that will kiss your dick all over
>for 1000$ you get a Sexbot9070 that will suck your peepee, but just the tip
>for 5000$ you get a Sexbot9080 that will give you a blowjob (no deepthroat), but toothy
>for 20000$ you get a Sexbot9090 that will gobble your wiener like it's the world is ending and that blowjob is the only thing that can save it
AMD robot:
>for 5000$ you get a Sexbot9900xtxxxroflmao that will give you a very good blowjob and will even deepthroat, but each time it does that, it has a small chance to bite your dick off
Funny you assume a sexbot will be that cheap.
If a sexbot were ever to be made, the cheapest model will be at least as cheap as a car.
Clearly you haven't gone out car shopping lately or only care about reckonised brands
China shits out cars for real cheap and i think there are even some euro car makers that do as well
Well if we'll compare Nvidia to any car brand we'd obviously compare it to BMW, Mercedes, Land Rover, etc. If you want the lada equivalent of a sexbot then wait a few years after nvidia makes them.
The androids in the Detroit game costs from a few hundred bucks to like 8k which is pretty funny considering they are basically indistinguishable from real humans
damn, I totally fricked up with pricing, meant 8000$ for 9070 and 10000$ for 9080
>sexbot9900xtx may experience driver crashes during intense orgasms
my autistic amdwaifu cannot be this cute
>expecting nvidia to make a sexbot
>nvidia who funds feminist frequency
>nvidia sexbot costs 4x as much as amd sexbot, has a chance to catch fire randomly, and will be gimped through firmware updates when the next model releases
>amd sexbot gets better every year despite newer models coming out because firmware updates
oh cool there was a good language model link? what are the vram reqs on it?
Classic IT professional, lots of disposable income but nothing to spend it on except an AI girlfriend
I just want a decent build for a reasonable price. Will we ever see those days again?
>decent build
>reasonable price
tell me what is a decent build and what is a reasonable price?
Scorptec > PCCG
>price out building a PC with my case, PSU, fans
>price out a prebuilt of the exact same specs (have to buy an extra SSD) with new case, PSU, fans
>prebuilt is only $20 more
You know back in the day, it was definitely cheaper to build your own but I'm not convinced of that shit anymore.
prebuilds use shit parts
What do you mean
They get the cheapest no name brands wholesale.
Maybe they are decent, maybe they aren't, you won't know.
Also back in the day they used to use crazy dangerous cheap PSUs, I assume things are better now hopefully.
>I assume things are better now hopefully.
Completely depends on the brand you're buying from. People suck off alienware and they still rip off $1000+ prebuilts sales with single sticks of slow ram.
That's pretty much a non issue for bits like that. Comes with slow ram? A good RAM setup will cost you $120. Only a single 1tb SSD? Buy another for $50.
If you're paying that much then the prebuilt maker is getting enough money to not rip you off like that.
I've only ever bought one prebuilt and my PSU started smoking and ruined the entire motherboard when it blew. Never again. Frickers had to replace it all but I was still without a PC for over a week.
Prebuilts only have decent GPUs and CPUs. Everything else is garbage so they perform like shit and break down often, it's moronic.
Of course, otherwise you’d be getting a good deal and the nerds scamming you wouldn’t make jack shit
I bought a prebuilt on loan only way i could get a new pc. Built my first one but i got this and said it was coming with all stock parts and when it got here it had all coolermaster parts. Idk if they ran out of supplies but the pc runs damn good. The only thing i had to replace was a 120mm fan and its a great buy. Came with a i5 13600kf cpu and a 3070. Runs like a champ.
Wholesale deals.
Tech has advanced to the point that it legitimately does not matter anymore. The shittiest manufacturer of your card will still give you the performance you need. Graphics tech just has not advanced in the past 6 years like it did the 6 years before it. If you price a part at $400 and one at $1200, there's not going to be difference between them that effectively matters if you're not rendering professionally or mining crypto.
>he shittiest manufacturer of your card will still give you the performance you need
Let's see your pny/zotac gpu timestamped and currently running anon
I literally can't use prebuilt PCs. They are for morons only.
>First prebuilt
>All case fans are shitty 3-pin fans routed directly to PSU
>run 100% even when idle at desktop
>hearing damage no thanks, returned
>Second prebuilt
>4-pin fans that are just too fricking loud, would have to replace with quieter ones to hear self think
>Third prebuilt
>The most obnoxious pump noise to drive one insane (yes the loop was oriented correctly)
I've accepted that prebuilt PCs are exclusively for the same morons that blew out their hearing with earbuds at max volume by the time they were 14, AKA normalgays.
Yes, but a simple fix is using a fan controller mod or app
Prebuilts are fine if every single piece of the computer is listed with its name. They tend to cheap out on storage, PSU, RAM and rarely the motherboard
I suggested a friend use a trusted company for a prebuilt because I knew he didnt feel like building his PC himself and it was fine. It takes maybe a day in total of research and messing with a computer to know how to take one apart and rebuild it though so I dont really understand people using prebuilts anymore.
You don't need a 4090
You don't need a 4080
I do.
AI CP (legal) don't render themselves.
But they’re really cool.
I NEED more VRAM DAMNIT LOWER THE PRICES YOU FRICKING israeliteS
*softly whispers*
No.
I will buy an 8k monitor
>nooo you cant just keep playing on 1080p, you cant even read this small text after zooming in 10x
Correct.
Why do you need a 4090 exactly?
It seems on Ganker you either get a 500$ console that equals an RTX 2060, or you get a PC with a 4090 in it. No inbetween. Why?
You have to experience it to understand
No, the differences are marginal. This entire shtick is just trend chasing for consumer cattle. Same shit as the morons who buy the latest iphone every year.
Haha, you’re comparing apple inflating the price of phones that are inferior to to anything samsung makes with custom built pcs using the most powerful gpus in the world. Smartphones are not a niche market; pc building is. Most people building their own shit are not consoomer cattle. They usually have a valid use case for their chosen specs.
>Smartphones are not a niche market; pc building is.
lol
lmao even
That's why all the "cool people" are doing it nowadays? Or why Nvidia's stocks have skyrocketed in the last 5 years?
Disingenuous post
nvidia stocks skyrocketed because of the crypto mining boom followed by the ai boom
nvidia stock skyrocketed because of multiple reasons, yours and mine included.
Nvidia’s stocks took off largely because of their involvement with Tesla. They are more of a household name for gen y and gen z now than ever before, but most people are still not building their own pcs. Prebuilts are more popular than ever. Henry Cavill could’ve paid someone to buy him parts, frick if I know. He apparently loved warhammer since he was a kid. Not sure that makes him cool.
>all the cool guys
Is this why 3 years later, Henry Cavill is the only exemple of this you can provide?
>Smartphones are not a niche market; pc building is. Most people building their own shit are not consoomer cattle. They usually have a valid use case for their chosen specs.
lmao. Two of my friends have a 4090 and guess what we mostly play? 90 minutes of deep rock galactic or apex legends in the evenings. They are both still in 1080p too. I have a 4070 (didn't want to deal with amd drivers and didn't want to deal with the new meme 12pin either so it was my only choice) and a 14600k so it's not like I'm holding them back, there's just nothing interesting to play. Helldivers 2 looked interesting until they decided to add some shitty korean anticheat.
Don't get me started on all the rgb shit and all the moronic peripherals such as $200 mechanical keyboards for trannies or $100+ wireless mice where you still have to buy an extra $40 dongle for them to work so you still have a wire on your desk anyway.
Gamers and pc gamers in particular are mostly morons who are easily parted with their money buying things they don't need, just like most normalgays.
Because the point of a flame war is not to argue your point using reason and evidence. The point is to repost the same disingenuous option that you know is fauluty6 hundreds of times until your voice is louder than the other guy's.
The point is to buy top of the line parts so they take longer to go obsolete. The only issue is that 10 year old 1060s and shit are still not obsolete, so it doesn't really matter.
My 970 is still pumping so why would I want to replace that?
i use a 1060 and its completey fine
>It seems on Ganker
Therein lies your answer.
>Why do you need a 4090
Cos gaming in 4k max graphics on the best looking games is an experience you can't describe to people, you have to experience it yourself.
Also Blender Renders fast enough that you don't have a nice day.
So I can play the hit game Immortals of Aveum™.
>Why do you need a 4090 exactly?
For local LLMs and production work.
You're fricking stupid if you buy one purely for games, though.
I have a 4060. I'll sell it get half my money back and get a 5060ti in late 2024/early 2025 when the new cards drop. A bunch of people just cope with an 8gb AMD card to be even cheaper but they are too busy gaming that you don't hear from them.
if my motherboard can run nvidia graphics cards can i use radeon graphics cards on it too?
nvidia shit is getting too expensive for me so i'm gonna need some alternatives.
currently on a 1660gtx
Yes
radeon graphics cards and nvidia graphics cards are not interchangeable so dont even try
clean drivers, swap it out, install new amd card, yes
if you want an amd card, choose the rx 7600xt, which performs better than the rx 6600xt.
now, you may find a rtx 3060 at something more than the price of those amd gpu (I'm talking about a difference between $250 and $290) and nvidia graphics have better optimization with games and drivers, for example with helldivers 2 on native resolution the performance is worse in amd gpus, being that the rx x600 are similar to the rtx xx60 in performance
Just buy a steam deck bro
>Just build a PC bro
I already have though.
Cute little resolution, bud.
I can afford a couple of those, can you?
>it's not a gaming PC if I don't have an overpriced AI card that I won't utilize even for 50% of its power
How many of you actually need a powerful GPU (for those who primarily buy this stuff to play games)?
I think the most graphically demanding game I play currently is Street Fighter 6 and my GTX 1080 still runs it okay. I never play movie games like Uncharted or The Last Of Us.
i do so i can call others poorgay online, duh
I do high poly 3D sculpting, illustration, video editing, and game. Even if I didn’t, I’d still want the option of future-proofing my PC
need 489 fps ingame for propper compgayging with 244hz monitor
i do. need my vr wife to look as good as possible.
I have a 4070, and I use it for 3D rendering on the card. It works just fine in some projects. I wish for more Vram and likely should buy a used 3090 instead, but a decision has been made. I also have zero problems with video games as I play on 1080p. and honestly, a cheaper graphic card would be enough for it. Hell, my 1660s were still solid.
If I were only gaming, I would likely buy an AMD card. Then again, they eat much more electricity, and European comies and socialists are retarted, so maybe over the long run, it would cost more to run an AMD card than to buy an NVIDIA.
I don't need anything more powerful than my 1660 ti for gaming. What I do need are cuda cores and vram to do fricking anything with local AI models.
A PS5 is worse than a 7 year old midrange videocard
its honestly quite sad
i bought a pny tho
Just bought a 4070 Super, at least it's twice as powerful as the PS5
Yeah being a PC bro here is suffering
On the upside cs2 runs great on my old 2060 and 1080ti on starlink lol
There's zero reason to buy a 4090.
24gb vram and 4k gaming
4k looks the same as 1080p
Like I said, zero reason.
Most people buying 4090s aren't even rich, just fricking moronic with zero impulse control or ability to realize how bad of a deal they're getting.
>buy cheap thing that will become e-waste sooner
>buy expensive thing that will become e-waste later
>bro I'm doing it to SAVE THE PLANET!!!
the added power usage alone is worse for the planet than just buying 2-3 cheaper cards Frick off
The 4090 is very power efficient when power limiting/undervolting.
>buy the top of the line card to gimp it
Undervolting us the weirdest shit to me
More powerful components are not always perfectly efficient at stock voltage, but they do give tweakers a greater ceiling to tighten efficiency while still getting near peak performance
Undervolting lets you get even more performance sometimes since you can boost higher for longer because of lower temps. The instability is the issue there.
A fricking work laptop last longer than your 5000$ pc
That’s a silly thing to say.
You see this GPU? You see this GPU? That GPU costs more than your PC. I got 165fps at 4k. How much did you get? You see, pal, that's who I am; and you're nothing. Low wattage? I don't give a shit. Good at 1080p? FRICK YOU. Go home and play in HD.
Funny bc you can undervolt the 4090 and still get 90% of the performance
Zoom zoom. Missed a reference to one of the greatest movies ever.
Hello pccasegear
>3080 12 GB
just buy a console it's super cheap and they'll even charge you more to use your internet!
That's why I'm taking out a loan to build my dream PC
I've seen people say "just buy a used GTX 1080, it's pretty similar to a RTX 4060, but it's ~$100 instead of $400!", but would the long term costs be enough to outweigh the initial costs?
I'm clearly not someone versed in physics or energy usage or technology, but a quick google search says that a 4060 is rated at 115W while a 1080's is 180W. Obviously these cards are not going to be on full blast during use, but let's assume they are both running on machines that run the same hardware, doing the exact same things. Would they still be using the same amount of energy? If not, and the 4060 is more energy efficient, would the long term costs outweight the initial ~$300 price difference over time (let's say 3-4 years)?
>would the long term costs outweight the initial ~$300 price difference over time (let's say 3-4 years)?
Yes. You will not use $300 more worth of electricity in 3-4 years.
>NVIDIA can do whatever the frick they want since AMD is perpetually moronic
Truly a cursed timeline.
>AMD is perpetually moronic
6XXX and 7XXX cards are good GPUs with good drivers.
It's not my fault dumb pcgays can't get past nvidia shills bringing up 10 year old AMD memes.
My friend with a 7900x has had constant driver issues.
I don't trust amd despite having a ryzen cpu.
Ive had a 7900XTX since august and have had zero problems with anything.
Sounds like a skill issue.
I trust someone I know more than a guy on Ganker.
Sounds like your friend is fricking moronic lmao.
AMD could do to Nvidia what they did to Intel in the CPU market but they just don't feel like it for some reason. Maybe they are happy just hogging the console manufacturing space for now.
I went back in time and changed the RNDA3 stack to as follows:
7900XTX -> 7900XT
7900XT -> 7800XT
7900GRE -> 7700XT
7800XT -> 7600XT
7700XT -> 7500
7600XT -> 7400
Now everyone loves AMD in this new timeline. The problem isn't with RNDA3. RNDA3 performs fine. It's the naming conventions that are fricked.
yeah I fricking hate how AMD names their shit. also how quick they are to abandon their cards (5/6 years) meanwhile nvidia supports their cards for more than a decade.
Isn't China supposed to be getting into chips or something? Same with the US. Why do video card prices keep going up?
I'm a third worlder who earns 400 dollars a month and I've still managed to build a PC who runs baldurs gate 3 on 2k, cyberpunk with ray tracing and a bunch of other games easily and I didn't even had to starve
There's literally no reason to buy a console, specially if you're American, like just flip burgers for a month and you'll be able to buy a RTX 4090
Gaming is still a reasonably cheap hobby if you're a smart spender. I'm still upgrading my PC gradually even though I'm unemployed.
This. I know guys who can barely hold a minimum wage job and they have still managed to build semi-decent gaming pcs out of second hand parts. It simply makes more sense for them to to do this and be able to play literally thousands games for free instead of paying for online subscriptions and overpriced console games.
The whole "le consoles are le more affordable" is just a desperate clutching at straws giga-cope from console gays
I'm still not buying any Nshitia gpu.
>pcybyte had a 4090 for $1200 at one point all sold out except a completely different state
still sad i missed it
Oi i need some help.
I bought a ryzen 7 5700x3D and my computer won't turn on. Is this a PSU problem or a pin problem? I'm using a 7 3700x atm
As in, fully doesn't turn on, or just doesn't have picture/does POST?
Fully doesn't turn on, i press the button and nothing happens. I can see the mobo flash when i plut it in but that's it.
You could possible have done the front panel connecters wrong. Double check that. You could also connect none and use a screw driver or something to start it off the power switch/power button pins themselves.
Check all cables, reseat ram. If not worky, clear cmos
Did you update your BIOS?
yes, i fear that the cpu might be faulty
This isn't a slight against AMD. But, is it just me, or they have a really high CPU failure rate? It seems like whenever anyone has an issue booting the CPU is just dead.
Been running AMD off and on for over 22 years now. I've never had an AMD CPU die on me. Frick off, Poonam.
Why so defensive? I currently am using AMD.
I had some issues when I did a platform upgrade to 7800x3d, and the issue was the motherboard thankfully. But searching similar issues of it just n ot posting, or issues with rebooting, etc, in most cases the CPU was the issue. I also did watch some videos of some guy repairing his viewer's not working pcs, and there were at least probably 4-5 instances of the issue just being a dead Ryzen CPU in a sample size of maybe 20-30 videos. Perhaps the data is skewed by virtue of AMD being seemingly more popular with gaming builds more recently. But I feel like there is a higher rate of failure.
>7800x3d
you probably just had to update the bios right?
No, the board had compatibility from the original bios.
I had an issue with my 7950x3D that was resolved with a bios update.
I'm not saying that doesn't work in some/most cases, but just that I've seen fair amount of cases relatively speaking of AMD either just RMAing hte CPU and the issue being resolved or the CPU being replaced with another one also resolving the issue.
There's a reason prebuilts are almost entirely Intel. But Ryzen is better when it works, they are just inconsistent.
>There's a reason prebuilts are almost entirely Intel
Because Intel locked up the OEM market decades ago???
you know all of a sudden it makes sense why no one is making cutting edge vr games.
imagine having to spend $10k on a rig + vr device
It's pretty funny to me that for example PS5 VR costs more than the console itself. And it has maybe two games or something.
Gran Turismo and the Resident Evil VR modes (the latter of which are playstation exclusive) are the biggest exclusives, the rest are multiplatform.
And remember - if you buy PS5 VR, then you can't use it for video content, vr sporting events or concerts live, or even youtube VR
No one talks about the cost of the desk, or the life long hunching involved. The soul crushing realization that dawns on you
>I- I’m a pc gamer now
>It’s okay.
>I’m not throwing away my life. I’m not!
>What’s that noise?
>Outside the blacked out window, boys and girls are laughing, holding hands in the sunshine and playing console games together. Playing goofy coop. Bonding over similar taste in console games. Raising families.
Never understood this meme. I have a better posture at the desk than I have on the couch.
homie, I play from my bed with an ergotron. And those kids aren’t outside. They’re in your head. Kids don’t fricking go outside anymore. They’re on ipads.
>Outside the blacked out window, boys and girls are laughing, holding hands in the sunshine and playing console games together. Playing goofy coop. Bonding over similar taste in console games. Raising families.
none of this happens in current year
Chair issue. Spend more than $500 on the chair which you use every day, moron.
PC GAMING IS SO EXPENSIVE OMG, I MEAN HOW THE FRICK AM I SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR THIS OVERPRICED LED LIGHTS USELESS BUTTONS TRANSFORMERS LOOKING ASS MOUSE???????????????? IT'S IMPOSSIBLE
....just buy a normal one?
IT'S NOT GAMER IF I DON'T SPEND 500 ON EVERY PIECE OF TECH REEEEEEEEEEE
homie THE NORMAL LOOKING CASE IS MORE EXPENSIVE
Bro, actual gaming mice are very basic looking and lightweight. Stop buying razer shit
>lightweight.
Spotted the wristlet
As long has my kd is positive I’ll remain gay
>I’ll remain gay
we know.
Just name the colour scheme "Straight White" and I'll buy a PC and live on water and rice for the rest of next five years.
it's got the rainbow tips though, which to be fair isn't a gay thing for chinks
I got a 3080 years ago and I'm fine with it until the 70 series comes out
7800X3D and NZXT N7 B650e
No problems setting it all up.
The problem you people have with intel and amd is you guys buy $500 CPUs but never respect them and buy cheap $100 budget mobos which fricking suck and wonder why the CPU just dies.
For a 7800X3D minimum $200 mobo.
Cpus almost never die unless you bend pins, cheap mobos are fine.
>cheap mobos are fine.
lmao
They are. The only reason a mobo would fry a cpu is because it's faulty and that's not limited to cheap mobos. See the somewhat recent ASUS X670E Extreme frying 7800x3d cpus controversy, that's a $900 mobo.
AM5 mobos don't even start that low. At least near launch even the most entry level AM5 mobo was beefy.
I will never upgrade my dual cpu 2011-3 xeon build unless the chinks make new mobos for the lga3647/4189 or SP3 socket.
Imagine buying shitty ass consumer market CPUs that have shitty ass silicon and 8c/16t at max.
>buying from pccasegear
its like you want to get israeliteed
With Intel's 400w monstrosities you need a 22 stage VRM.
But with the x3D chips you can get away with a budget mobo. Problem is the garbage memory controllers with AMD.
>4070 super
>ryzen 7 7800x3d
>32gb ram
>1080p
yeap, its mid-tier build gaming time
7800X3D isn't mid tier wtf
homie what are you smoking
>bro just wants super stable framerate
based
1080p is worthless since 1440p with DLSS looks better with the same performance
dlss looks like shit in most cases
maybe if you're somehow living about 5 years ago
I simply don't play with any AA, so my game looks fine without smearing naturally.
wait, cpus die?
really old cpu's might
in theory no becaus ethey're solid state devices
in reality yes, because they generate a lot of heat and transistors can die out
>I HAVE to use the 4090!
>I HAVE to play the goyslop at 4k!
Here's a hot pro tip: a decent modern CPU is far more important for good vidya game performance than a top of the line graphics card unless you really just jerk off to benchmarks and AI all day
Christ almighty
If your PC didn't cost 10k are you even gaming? I think not
You forgot the poptarts.
thanks for reminding me of that
>850 for a case
what the fugggggggggggggggggggggggggg
loool. anon trying to build a gaming rig to make a youtube short about.
"I spent $10K on a MONSTER PC! Is it better than my $3K comp?!"
>$850 case
Bros, do i really need to pay so fricking much just to play modern videogames? At this point i'd rather build something just for 400 so i can play minecraft and dying light like i usually did on my PS4.
The mb, cpu and case are overkill. People have no excuse build in giant cases anymore as it is unless they have a weird legacy workstation build
Shit, thought that was real for a moment, but i am most likely still gonna just build a PC for 400 since i think i can get enough decent specs with that. I typically play indie or older games (90s, 2000s) which should run fine with the right cpu and graphics card
You might as well just buy a used macbook
It's a meme built showcasing the most expensive components that are available. But a decent build these days will still cost you 1-2k easily depending on where you live and what kind of deals you look for.
What the frick? who the hell would buy a PC case for $800
heh,
13900ks died and upgraded to a 14900k
i play osrs and wow
WHY DO RAMS NOW HAVE LEDS
WHY
FOR WHAT PURPOSE
the gays
Finally we return to soul.
fricking tandies and their dumb ass mario, heard they made some gaming tablet recently
remember when computers were actual a working tool instead of a toy
then men mentally turn into kids
i grew up with a commodore and i can't remember that. however, i do remember that most widely available computers were all about vidya, next to no one had an x86 pc, everyone had amiga or commodore
That's crazy high actually.
I'm pretty sure you could have gotten a cheaper car than this, brand new.
>2 mb ram
let me guess, you need more?
The internet was better when it had this implicit IQ filter.
What games can you run on it?
It can run Doom if you slot in more memory.
>lightning fast 20Mhz
Aged well
My system was $900 total with a 6950xt and 13600k for the base. If you can build it yourself, and know what to look for regarding used/open box items you'll make out like a bandit. I've literally never spent more than 1k.
You don't need a 4090
My 2060 runs every new game at 1080p High. If your monitor is 4k, a 30xx will do the job. Anyone buying a 40xx who doesn't make UltraHD pre-rendered video sdeserves to be poor.
imagine being a console warrior
couldn't be me
>7900 xt prices are back around $750
shit, glad I picked one up when I did for $680
>Pc working fine
>Put new CPU in
>All fans turn on, gpu fan turns off, lights turn on but dimly, mouse lighting turns on but dimly, get no display no matter what I try or what cord I try
>Put old CPU back in
>GPU fan turns on but otherwise exact same
uh...bros?
update your bios
did that before installing the new cpu and made sure the bios update took without corruption
move your ram around. Try with 1 stick
tried it to no joy
send the cpu back or test it on another rig
Cmos reset like other anon said
Reset your BIOS with your screwdriver.
Any bent motherboard pins or suspicious spots? If not and you've tried alternating single sticks of RAM, including clearing CMOS between, removing everything but CPU and RAM and cooler and still no dice, you may either have incompatible RAM, or the CPU may be dead.
Nothing I can visibly suspect. I should have made myself clear but putting the old CPU back in doesn't fix anything except the GPU fan turns on while it doesn't turn on when the new CPU is in.
The old and new CPUs both produce no display which makes me suspect its the mobo?
Seems like the most likely scenario. It's basically impossible to troubleshoot if you don't have a second lot of components outside of the CPU.
If it's an AMD mobo, you're supposed to let it memory training by letting the computer on for like 15 minutes.
Turn the computer off and on after that and it should be fine
Gigabyte ga-a320m-s2h, tried putting a 5600x in it after a bios update
yeah I don't have any extra parts that would work with it anyway, thanks
have you left it unplugged for a few mins, cleared cmos, then started outside of the case with just 1 ram stick, cpu cooler and jumping the pins to test boot? No storage connected or peripherals aside from the monitor. Try also a different cable and port on the gpu.
Not yet but I'll try it tomorrow
good luck anon, it's an incredibly shitty situation
if only motherboards had LEDs that told you what competent was stopping the computer from posting...
bidenomics baby
He put the economy back on its feet!
That's an early adopter tax and an "I'm a loser unless I have the most expensive card" moron tax
You never have to get the most expensive card on market if all you want to do is gaming. Gaming cards are mid-tier.
r8 my build
Yer good to go
If you have the money for that 4090, that's good, you're assured for the next generation of games
You dont need 64gb of ram bro.
I'm futureproofing
I might actually switch to 32gb anyway because it's hard to find good compatible 64gb ram for that mobo tho
so fricked up that the cpu is like 100% cheaper than the gpu, nvgreedia
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08WPRMVWB?psc=1
is there any reason why i shouldn't buy this if i'm upgrading from a gtx 1660?
If you just remove the 640$ that you would need to pay just to play online on the PS5 and add that on top of the PC buying budget you can get a much better than a console PC that will last you 8 years for like 1200$. Probably 12 years if you upgrade the GPu after 6.
Some anons got really upset when I told them my youngest brother built a 3060 ti build that was running ratchet and clank with raytracing at well over 60fps for about 520$ if I'm counting taxes. I don't judge console bros, but It's getting really bad with all these fees.
NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU'RE A LIAR YOU NEED A $40000 PC AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Man, I paid almost 500€ for my 3060Ti, prices are fricked. This was on launch though.
A 4070 Super is probably already as powerful as a PS6 (Ps5 is on par whit a 2060 super) and its like 600$.
Nah. Maybe a 4070Ti Super. 12GB VRAM will not be enough to keep up with PS6. 12GB is already pushing it with PS5 ports.
Only because the PS5 ports are badly optimized.
Most PS5 games just run at sub 1440p resolutions dynamic when the frames drop they just lie to you.
All of the ports i tried has no uses if i keep the rolution locked to 1440p.
To be fair as i stated you can just sell the 4070 super when the PS6 comes out and buy a replacement.
If you get any 16 core CPU chances are you are already future prof.
>it's super cheap
unironically, yes
none of this really matters to me anymore.
i haven't played anything made past 2010 in a very long time
If 1080TI can't run it, it's not worth playing.
Yeah I built a 5k PC just to browse Ganker and play cookie clicker.
>purposely looking for prices for a Bugatti
>"JUST BUY A CAR BRO OF COURSE IT'S THAT EASY"
NO BRO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND
IF YOU DON'T DRIVE A LAMBORGHINI YOU MIGHT AS WELL NOT DRIVE AT ALL
>tractor company
>making cars
ishygddt
Can you recommend me a strong graphic card that doesn't cost higher than 400 or is that just a fantasy?
Describe "strong" in your terms.
What do you want to do with it? 1080p? 1440p? 4k?
You need to buy used
save the extra $100 and get a 7800 xt
>12gb vram $500
>24gb vram $3500
Why? vram is the most important thing anyway
>12gb vram $500
>48gb vram $5000
where is your god now
Funny thing is the VRAM chips are cheap as frick.
About $27 for 8GB GDDR6X VRAM chips these days.
Nvidia is just skimping on them and charging you more so you upgrade every generation.
It isn't a secret the 40XX GPU's perform like shit at native without DLSS.
They hit their VRAM capacity quite quickly.
Imagine a perfect world where we could upgrade VRAM like we buy RAM sticks.
intel should get in on that.
Stop being anti-Semitic.
>americans
>supposedly first world country
>can't afford $1000 PC
lol, lmao even
I bought a 4060 because that was in my budget. I'll be able to play dragon's dogma 2, which I'm excited for.
Same, but I got it for other reasons. People online act like you're playing on integrated graphics when everything is perfectly playable at a minimum of 1080p 60fps.
>People online act like you're playing on integrated graphics
No, people act like you're paying more for a card that performs worse than a card releaser earlier that is cheaper - which you are
Not where I live. The 3060 is the same price and sometimes even more expensive.
>performs worse
debatable. I've made my research and game performance is very slightly in the favor of the 4060. The only thing the 3060 is better is in 3D rendering and AI stuff, which I don't care for. I'm not happy that my card barely an upgrade over the last gen, but I didn't have many options in my budget. And no don't tell me about AMD, frick off.
>And no don't tell me about AMD, frick off.
The brands don't matter, look at the price to frame cost. You should've taken a 2070 or something, better yet, a 6700xt.
For 1200 you can get a far decent PC for gaming and other things
getting my 3090 last march for 550 bucks doesn't seem so bad anymore
Come on, be honest. You stole it.
I'm white m8
>Have 7800xt
>Only play gachashit and l4d2
>Have 7900XTX
>Only play Fallout 76
>It runs like shit anyways
Thanks Todd.
>playing fallout 76
>ever
peak sub-80 IQ reddit landwhale slop coonsoomer moment
It's fun now.
I enjoy nuking homosexuals bases who are like lv3000
They get so pissed.
>76 is good now, b-because reddit said it is!
whatever you say todd. a polished piece of shit is still a piece of shit.
Last quarter Nvidia revenue from gaming was 13%
Seven quarters ago it was 43%
It's so fricking over.
Geforce needs to split from Nvidia to it's own company (but it won't happen since they are competing for the same components as their AI cards)
The frick? Nvidia expects to make 2 times their average revenue in Q2 and Q3 2024? Do I understand this right?
Yeah, their AI stuff is selling like hotcakes and the profit margins are insane. Nvidia is already the 6th most valuable company in the world.
>itt: poorgay 4090 owners trying to justify their $3699 purchase
this is why you are poor. you bought something with money you didn't have and now you are stuck paying off a credit debt. cope harder lmao
>t. he still doesnt want to upgrade his nvidia graphic card from 2013
I do have the money tho, it's just easier on the wallet and savings to pay a small sum over time while still being able to save the rest of the money, than taking out a noticeable chunk out of savings which might be needed for an emergency, and besides, if you're savvy enough, you'll pre-close that loan anyway to minimize overpayment
I swear if any of the 5000 cards outside of the 5050 equivalent still have 8gb or lower vram i will nuke someone
You know it, hell... didn't they just release a 6GB card just now?
This one I mean
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3050-6-gb.c4188
Told you to buy the 1080ti years ago and you laughed
Still going strong to this day, might never upgrade until it dies on me
>wasting your life on video games
""""People"""" who watch these channels are more wretched than even NTRgays or trannies.
>why the frick would you play videogames
Why the frick would you take advice from a TikTok '''''''''''''''''''influencer'''''''''''''''''''''' of all people?
Let me guess, this guy runs a MLM Pyramid scheme too?
>don't play videogames
>go clubbing
>drink gets spiked
>wake up 48 hours later locked in a steel box in the desert with a bleeding anus
no, I choose vidya
This nigra looks like the emperor of incels, he needs to escape reality more than anyone
How much would a PC made just to emulate old shit and hook up to the TV cost?
I remember emulating Ps1 game on an old HP with integrated graphics like 15 years ago
>How much would a PC made just to emulate old shit and hook up to the TV cost?
Like $500, depending on how old you're talking about it could be half that, or even less. Most emulation software isn't very demanding. You could emulate on a used Dell Optiplex that cost you like a hundred bucks.
a fricking phone emulates ps1 these days, a decent phone will emulate a ps2
you can find pc capable of emulation in a landfill for free because nobody wants that garbage
Phone hardware is actually pretty impressive. The issue with phones has always been their software, especially their operating systems, holding them back from doing anything useful.
Emulate old shit? A $200 laptop could probably handle up to PS2 games.
>Gets caught doing false advertising
>gets a slap in the wrist and doesn't need to issue full refunds
Why does America have such shitty consumer protection?
I just spent far too much on a new PC because my current one is dying hard. I'm regretting it now but when it arrives in a week or so I'll be able to play games and do my work without worrying about my PC dying because I looked at it funny.
Money comes back and this is how I enjoy my alone time.
Top jej
I raffed
>4090
do moron mutts really?
What cards would you say are midrange, for both AMD and NVIDIA? The line always seems blurry
depends on how you define it. my good ol' rx 6650XT could be considered midrange, since it can handle everything on high/ultra settings when running 1080p.
$500-700 is midrange.
>AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor 3.21 GHz
>Radeon RX 570 Series
I'm not sure how I managed to survive this far without complete overhaul. Can't wait for sub 20fps Shadow of the Erdtree.
I got a 6900xt for christmas, did I do good?
>6900xt
>69
nice
Enter
Here's a way to prove them wrong - list what you'd need for a decent PC, then list prices for each component and make a post with results.
I want to play at 1440p at ultra settings with ray tracing on, render blender porn, jerk it to VR and flood my brain with personally generated AI coom pictures so RTX4090 is the bare minimum to be considered decent
You could have just said that you're mentally ill
we're on Ganker, that's already a given, moron
>some moron on ebay panic sold their 4090 msi card for just 1k months ago
Still feels good to get that deal.
Seeing consolegays say you need to factor in the cost of an antivirus made me realize they still mentally live in 1999, when gaming on PC actually was more expensive
wtf. Were they 60 years old by chance?
>have 2060
>settings low-medium
>ray tracing off
>motion blur off
>over the top particle effects off
>get 60+ frames in every game that wasent optimized by morons
you dont need all that extra bullshit
BRUH, I need Genshin with volumetric fog n shit in 4K.
lmao I'm pretty sure you can do 4k in Genshin with a 3060
Yeah, most games that depend of MTX are extremely well optimized...
Genshi is the most barebones open world: No fog or weather effects, no day/night cycle, NPCs never walk, they lack of dynamic shadows, they are static in a position, no forests (trees randomly placed in the map)
Genshin is actually optimized relatively well, you can probably run it in 4k/60fps with like a 2070/6700xt
>settings low-medium
If it's 1080p you can run most shit at high/max with a 2060
Just did
>4k 240Hz OLEDs finally here
>1400€
Frick that.
So what do I need for 1080p 60fps minimum? I’m tired of my games stuttering at random points
a 3060
maybe 3070 tops
For some games it's impossible because they stutter even on high end hardware.
So it depends how much are you going to spend on your machine and what games are you going to play.
>So what do I need for 1080p 60fps minimum? I’m tired of my games stuttering at random points
Do you play on SSD or HDD? If HDD - that's your problem.
Most of my games are on an ssd.
Fighting games and action rpgs I guess. I was playing Granblue Fantasy Relink and I got occasional stutters during some fights
>Granblue Fantasy Relink
Poor PC port, it has both traversal stutter and overall bad performance for how the game looks. Graphic options change almost nothing and there are 3 in total to begin with.
You still didn't say how much do you want to spend and what hardware do you have right now.
Oh. I have a 1070 with an i7 6700. I guess my price point would be 500-700 since I could probably sell my current computer to cover some costs
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Yn7pJy
I assume you will reuse Case and storage.
You might look at the used market as well, you might upgrade to 6700XT/6750XT or 3060Ti/3070.
Used AM4 is usually cheaper than intel.
You don't need beefy PSU for this but that 750W is cheap right now so it won't hurt but if you feel confident with your current one it's also a way to save money.
I've updated my rig to ryzen5/newmobo/16gb/psu for $320. But old garbage like GTX1650 still selling here for $190, crap like 6500xt - $225.
You don't need a 4090 for anything. If you're hurting for cash there are options.
>4090 for anything
That's only true if you're using your GPU exclusively to play games at 1080p@60fps and nothing more lmao
>only a 4090 can play games over 1080/60
Look at the state of you, consolefaff.
unless they're 10+ year old games and you care about consistency, then yes
Maybe should've omitted the 60fps part, you dont need a 4090 for 1080p gaming period, but for anything higher if you want good consistent fps sure
Also if you care about literally anything other than gaming that needs a gpu then a 4090 is also an obvious choice
>unless they're 10+ year old games and you care about consistency, then yes
You're completely wrong, your ignorance and idiocy is not a substitute for benchmarks.
Why do consolegays thing that a gaming PC can only have the latest and most powerful card? You can play fine with a 3070 or a 2080. 4k is a meme resolution not even consoles can manage without lowering most other settings and upscaling.
It's a great card, but realistically speaking you're perfectly fine with something on the level of a 4070/7800xt
>been having memory issues running basic games and simple tasks lately
>boot up speccy and see my CPU shitting itself
well frick i ordered some paste because it's due for a new batch so i'm hoping that will help cool the temps back to normal
Thats why i stick with prebuilt. It works and money well spent, no need for voodoo dancing and praying to silicon gods.
>uh oh compatibility is kill
>some elements are simply not working mkay
>it s-shouldnt be like this
>black screen..
lmao keep coping lego gays
I MUST GET NVIDIA, R/WALLSTREETBETS GOING TO THE MOON
I MUST GET 4090, ALL THE KIDS WILL BE JEALOUS OF IT AND MY IPHONE 15 PRO MAX
It would be half that if you weren’t a fricking moron falling for the nShitia shilling.
You’re too stupid for a computer. I recommend you stick to mobile games.
>3060
>R7 5800X
>164Hz 2K monitor
>2.5TB m2 SSD storage
Its enough for 8th gen games. Not enough 9th gen games to warrant an upgrade.
The only thing you will need to upgrade, if necessary, is your gpu, as your amd cpu will hold up to the next generation
Console gamers will have to buy a whole new console again
You're a pay piggy and bad with spending if you have anything higher than 4070 super