Just finished Xenoblade 3: Future Redeemed. What a great ending to the trilogy. What a fantastic franchise. It was a great ride start to finish. Good characters, good story, and a fantastic send off for Shulk and Rex. A great send off for Noah as well. I have to say this is one of the best RPG franchises I've ever had the pleasure of playing.
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This posts screams "I barely play JRPGs"
Name a better JRPG that came out in the last 5 years
Final Fantasy 16
I'm kidding, Jesus Christ what a dumpster fire that was, holy shit.
I finished that one recently, it was fricking ass, and now I'm playing XC3. So far 3 is so much better than 2.
I liked it just fine. We're never getting a lightning in a bottle game like FF7 (or launch FFXI) ever again. I've accepted this reality after many years. XC3 FR reminded me it's at least possible to come close.
Was it really that bad? I have nothing against it i just don't want to buy a PS5 just for it
It's an 8/10. Highs outweigh the lows.
It's better than a turd like Xenoblade 3. Ganker has horrendous taste these days.
XBC2 > XBC3 > FF16 > XBC1DE
But I'd rate all those games between 9/10 and 10/10.
>FF16 > XBC1DE
I think FF16's combat far exceeded a lot of what it tried to do with its endgame story or side quests
I like Clive, I love Gav, and I enjoyed Jill and Torgal and Cid and Mid and a lot of the Hideaway characters
But there was something missing for me, something to tie it all together. I legitimately think that the RPG systems felt too vestigial. I'd rather the game make all the side characters mechanically involved in the player's experience or cut out the level and stat system altogether, build the game around a handful of modifiers on your abilities ala end-game Diablo and have the Hideaway characters and their side quest chains give you new gear to modify those abilities to match playstyles that represent their roles.
It would be really cool if I help Tarja and the healers a lot and get gear that lets me heal myself in certain ways during combat
>I'd rate all those games between 9/10 and 10/10.
>Was it really that bad?
he's just shitposting
Not bad, leagues better than XIII or XV
But it failed to do that thing that FFX or VII or VI did which was become a huge generational touchstone game.
While FF16 will certainly sell a lot, it's very unlikely to leave the lasting impression in people's memories that something like Persona 5 has at this point. I'm not even a big Persona fan but I think what Square would like from their major flagship series isn't just sales but also reclaiming the mainstream relevance they lost. First to Western RPGs in the 7th gen (skyrim, Witcher, Mass Effect) and then to other JRPG series (Persona, Nier Automata, Fire Emblem)
While it's a cash cow for them, I think there is a bit of insecurity at Square over relying so heavily on FF7 stuff to keep the franchise relevant
It's trash. Try the demo before you buy on PC and you will quickly see for yourself. Unless they axe the demo for obvious reasons on PC.
not an RPG
DQ11
Agreed.
Xenoblade was pretty good as a trilogy, overall
DQ11 was 2017. But it's definitely on the same level as Xenoblade, though I like how the Xenoblade games use gameplay to tell their stories a bit better
This
Though I'd say that XB1, 2 and 3 are like three different spokes on a wheel. FR is the hub that binds their themes together and elevates the Xenoblade series as a whole to being greater than the sum of its admittedly great parts.
NTA but Fuga is pretty good. It lacks some of the expansiveness of Xenoblade, both gameplay and thematically. But it's damn good all the same, so happy they hit the 300k milestone recently
P5 and P5R aren't bad games but I've been getting upset that they're taking on so many vestigial elements from past games just because they were popular.
Why did Persona 3 have a time management mechanic? To express the theme of death's inevitability and the importance of how we spend our time alive.
Why was PErsona 4 about jumping into people's heads? Because it was a game about identity and self-image and how rumors end up creating insecurities in how people see themselves, causing rejection and strife.
PErsona 5 is neither about identity nor the inevitability of death but it has narrative and gameplay elements that were put into past games specifically to hammer home those themes. Worse off, PErsona 5 doesnt really bring a lot to the table to narratively or mechanically express its themes of rebellion and freedom and social reform
Why is it a game over when the MC dies in Persona 3? Because that's the character you're controlling, that's (You), and you can only influence the other party members, not outright direct them, they're their own people. If you die, that's it, it's over.
Why is it a game over when the MC dies in Persona 4 and 5, and 3P, and 3R? ...Because it was a game over in P3.
Yeah, my point exactly. It's dumb to me that Persona is sort of limiting itself just because it feels obligated to do what worked before for the sake of popularity. It violates the basic tenets of RPGs for me that they are untethering story from gameplay that badly
FR is basically fan-fiction tier indulgence but people like that because, well, it's designed FOR the fans.
3 was pretty light overall on indulging nostalgia or people's love of past characters, but FR goes HARD on it and it's what a lot of people wanted from 3 in the first place. I don't really agree with that view for base-game 3 but I did enjoy FR quite a lot
There's also some major gameplay improvements FR made, such as:
>tethering character progression to exploration and completionist stuff
>moving combo finishers onto big fancy Unity/Chain Order attacks, which feels better overall as a reward for pulling off a full chain attack
>Unity Combos allowing you to alter your party playstyle in unique ways (as a replacement for Heroes being present at all)
>Fusion Arts actually introduce new effects, rather than just performing two arts at once
So it's both fan-service and it's a more tight experience mechanically
Played them all at release, and I'd say
XBC2 > XBC1 DX > DQ11S > FF7R
I'd agree with you if the final act wasn't a thing.
Came out 6 years ago
Not with that third arc. Worst DQ in years.
You’re just mad since no one cares about Xenosaga
YWNBAW
Star Ocean 6 plays like a bad Ys, nope. Despite the shitty story, at least SO4 still player like a Star Ocean game.
Melia and Fiora are better than your incel bait garbage
Rephrase it to "Name a good JRPG that came out in the last 5 years", to which the answer is none. JRPGs are creatively fricking dead, and the west killed it.
Fuga: Melodies of Steel
Xenoblade 2
Xenoblade 2 could be a perfect game if Pneuma's sacrifice was actually a sacrifice an not a fix for pyra and mythra body swap
>He wants a pointless bitter ending shoehorned in
Would have absolutely fricking ruined the game. Imagine closing out by killing off Pyra and Mythra for a reason that was never even foreshadowed and came out of fricking nowhere.
If there's any issue with the final sequence, it's that it doesn't make any sense for Klaus to just peace out when the Orbital Station is apparently setup in a way where his death will frick up the world, that's completely nonsensical with his resolve and conclusion. Adding sad endings doesn't make stories better, stop advocating for this garbage.
>He wants a pointless bitter ending shoehorned in
Yes actually. I also think Fiora should have died. Crying for a character that will be revived seconds later feels awful but that's just me
>Admitting the ending was bad and poorly thought out
>NO THAT ONE THING WOULD HAVE RUINED THE GAME
The ending was perfectly fine. Killing off Pyra and Mythra to leave an optimistic and hopeful game on a huge downer, for no reason, with no setup, would have ruined it, yes. What would it have added to Rex's story, or their story? Nothing.
Pyra and mythra wanted the entire game to just die. She dying but sacrificing herself to save everyone would be completely fine for the character. You already have your harem giga had rex relax
The entire point of the character journey is learning that they don't want to die, and giving them a reason to live. The entire point of that scene (which I don't like and shouldn't have been included) was that they have a reason to sacrifice themselves, they do it, and then regret it. The credits song is literally Pyra/Mythra singing about how they're not ready to die, they don't want to leave and they want to stay with Rex.
Having them die would have been absolute garbage, and it would have ruined the game.
If you have an issue with that sequence, fine. But the issue *should* be that the entire scenario even happened, not that it didn't kill them. Especially not when Ch6 set that up anyway.
If you want to replace the sacrificing sequence then yes I'm fine with it. Just don't make a sacrifice being a fricking waste of time. This is what ruins the character for me not them actually dying.
Most moronic opinion, the whole giant robot self-destruct was a worthless and unnecessary deus ex machina in the first place but in any case, she gave her core crystal to Rex before "sacrificing" herself so there was no actual way for her/Pyra/Mythra to die since Blades can always come back from their core.
I mean, that was the plan, but the director or dunno who didn't want a bittersweet ending and changed it to Rex getting both at the same time
What is this weird head canon were XB2 is better than XB3?
XB1 is the best with XB2 being the worst.
X is better than XB2
Anon, that's your opinion. I love 2 the most, and no rationalization will change that.
>shit compass
>shit navigation
>shit UI
>laggy menus
>worst performance of all 3
Its garbage anon. I liked Torna but its still garbage
>xgay doesn't know what basic english terms like head canon means
I knew you were a pajeet.
Who the frick is xgay?
This thread is about the series as a whole
3 kinda blows ass though
>3 blows
>2 is fine
Lol okay
2 for it’s many blemishes had a good final few chapters and world that wasn’t a slog to explore. 3’s story legitimately gets more disappointing for every answer it gives you.
I disagree. The field skills continuously hindered the world around it. The gacha system around the blade distribution made backtracking a tedious chore, rather than rewarding exploration for the sake of it, ala XB1. This was made doubly evident in Torna, where blades were granted with the story, and had logistic design behind their skill trees.
Additionally the combat and tone of the combat both felt rather cheap and childish, again compared to XB1. Just offensive across the board. The only similar experience I can recall is going from Bloodborne to Dark Souls 3. Just a cheap imitation of its former entry.
3 is saved by its characters even though the plot just gives up at the end.
I did not care for Noah and Mio whatsoever.
So boring.
Loved Eunie, Lanz, Tion, and Sena though.
Lanz is probably the best character in all of the xeno games. He is a true bro through and through from start to finish
>3 is saved by its characters
When people say this what they actually mean is
>I like self-inserting as Noah and jacking off to Mio
No, when I say it, I mean the range of character writing in 3 is a very solid and consistent 9/10
2 has a range of characters from 11/10 to 7/10. 1 has a small range that hovers around 8/10 for basically everyone.
XB3 goes from 9 to 10, but it doesnt really have any transcendent characters like 2 does, unfortunately. N comes close but he lacks that special something that Malos, Jin, Rex and Pyra/Mythra did
>the range of character writing in 3 is a very solid and consistent 9/10
>N comes close
You can't be serious
2 gets better the more I think about it.
3 gets worse the more I think about it.
Octopath Traveler 2
Octopath is awful, I legitimately don't understand how anyone can like it.
I am fairly convinced that many people have not played it and merely say the name.
I got conned into buying the first one and it was complete garbage.
I gave SaGa a try recently too with Scarlet Ambition, also garbage.
NEO TWEWY
Octopath traveler 2
Dragon quest 11
Neo TWEWY
Star Ocean 6
DQ11 and Octo2 are on the same level as Xeno
NeoTWEWY and Star Ocean 6 are good but not on the same level of design as Xeno or the others
Xeno a shit
NEO TWEWY unironically has some of the most synergetic ARPG combat to come out in a long time. And unlike Xeno 3, status effects actually work on bosses.
SMT V. But Xenoblade trilogy still excellent
That's the absolute state of things unfortunately.
yeah man, old good new bad
You can tell how inexperienced someone is by their interest in mediocre Xenoblade games.
Based JRPG fan calling out easily impressed Xenobabies.
I play a lot of them and still think Xenoblade is one of the best series in the genre, and the current peak of modern JRPGs. I really struggle to think of another that rivals it right now
I've beaten every offline DQ game, every FF game (including vanilla XI content and XIV), Most of the SaGa games, all of the Trails games, all of the Tales games and a myriad of one-off titles
I think Xenoblade is probably the JRPG series in terms of quality.
I'm not saying games like FF5 and 6 or DQ5 and 8 were bad for their time. Xenoblade is obviously standing on the shoulders of Giants but it also makes great strides from that starting line.
Xenoblade won't be as influential as something like FF7 or DQ3 but it understands the unique pull and value of this sub-genre and executes better than any other series on delivering that value, which is using gameplay to tell its story.
Many JRPGs have a better story and/or better gameplay than Xenoblade. But you'll be hard pressed to find many games that are better at expressing story events, character development and setting through gameplay
How does one enter Xenoblade? Do you need to play Chronicles?
Do you wanna play everything? Start from Xenogears and go from there. Keep in mind that Xenogears and Xenosaga aren’t required to understand blade; knowledge of them does make some things in later entries more impactful, though.
Do you just want to play the modern games? Start with XC1.
Just don’t skip entires (including DLC and extra stories) from whatever starting point you choose and you’ll be fine.
Already played gears and some of xenosaga, but if it is all one thing the I will go back and replay before starting the new ones then.
The high praise intrigues me...
It will be longer than that for me, I am slow and in the middle of other games at the moment. Probably 6 months.
Good to know.
Thank you xeno-anons, now I know the plan I will follow.
>Thank you xeno-anons, now I know the plan I will follow.
Also, for what it's worth, remember that as long as you own a copy of the game officially, there's nothing wrong with just emulating the games at 4K 60 on your PC. The Switch Xenoblade games art-styles and assets actually hold up really well at 4K, so if you mainly play games on PC, don't hesitate to do so (just please buy copies at some point if you like the games so Nintendo knows to fund more of them)
Don’t you’ll only be disappointed about such an amazing adventure like 1 leads to such a nasty drawn-out shart of a conclusion like 3.
1 DE > Future Connected > 2 > Torna > 3 > Future Redeemed
X is optional
See you in a month
Just play in chronological order: DE, 2, 3 and then Future Redeemed at the end. Each game's gameplay gets more enjoyable over time, imo (though people still have preferences for some over others). So I say it's best to start with the slowest and work your way up so you can enjoy the improvements in order
You can play Future Connected (the extra campaign in DE) if you want more Xenoblade 1. IT's good but considered the weakest campaign in the series
Torna (the DLC campaign for 2) is pretty good but has some grindy requirements for progressing its main story. Still fun and good story if you're willing to push through those requirements.
Future Redeemed is mandatory though, it's narratively as important as any of the main games
>Me in the left with my queen
>Anon plays videogames and loves them
>The literal first post of the thread is upset about this
>you have to like all video games!
No, no we don't.
Nobody said that, moron.
But if someone comes onto a Videogame board, and posts about a videogame that they've just beaten, and is discussing fricking videogames, then coming into that thread to say "I DON'T LIKE GAME!!!!!!" is obnoxious and stupid.
If you've ever concerned yourself with the state of discussion on this site, maybe you should consider not acting like a fricking moron. It's fine to dislike games, but coming into a thread about a game series you've decided you don't like only to shit up the discussion is fostering nothing but the dumb "le Ganker hates all le videojuegos" meme- the exact shit that has people using this place just to shitpost and getting their actual discussion somewhere else.
Didn't ask, Didn't read, don't care. Go back to plebbit cry baby.
I have played over 100 JRPGs and over 50 WRPGs since 1995, yes Xenoblade is among the best. Fricking cope
FPWP, get fricked Xenohater.
>Cynical wannabe elitist reddit cat poster
Go back to Twitter homosexual, also notice how you morons say shit like this but you never list examples of better games because you're a prostitute for (you)s but you're too chickenshit to get your own trash taste exposed.
welcome to Ganker
also most of userbase here plays Japanese games with Engl*sh d*bbing
>not playing in the language you actually understand
unironically have a nice day dub hating communist.
This I play jrpgs for long time and only one I liked is 2 while I hate battle system. 1 sucked and didn't bother with others. X had nignog ost so dropped it. Suikoden2, FF7, FFX, Metal Max 4, Toushin Toshi 3ds and Bravely Default. sill much better but Xenoblade 2 is up there with them for me. IF only rex wives ending was int 2 instead of 3 would've been much better.
Also Pokemon and Digimon World 1 and 3.
Do you enjoy eating feces?
>Can't think of a reason to hate X outside of the music
XGODS win again
Why would I hate it it had me has, sexy designs and outfits and nice looking monsters. Only ost was very terrible.
Cope gay. Xenoblade 1 has boring characters, boring auto battler battle system and too long for nothing. Also collectables in Xenoblade games suck as a games they aren't fun.
>sexy designs and outfits
The average 2oomer
If your game has shitty battle system and nothing to look forward to might as well enjoy fanservice
Not when your fan service looks like generic oc shit you might find on some random Pixiv account.
Xenoblade 1 had better girls
>Xenoblade 1 had better girls
LOL
Good joke buddy
Xenoblade 1 girls are fricking TRASH
No one except contrarians care about them
Xenoblade 3 concluded the series thematically
Future Redeemed concluded the series plot (and thematically again)
I hope they keep going with with a new plot.
I like to pretend Xenoblade 1 is the only one they released
Sorry fricko, there's 4, 6 if you count Torna and FR
I love this series so much. An incredible amount of soul. God bless Nintendo for funding this niche series. Can't wait to see what's next from the team. Especially with new hardware. Performance wise 3 seems like a wonder for them to push so much on such low tier hardware.
Also I never got to play Xenosaga (never had PS2 generation stuff) and I really wish those would get ported somehow but it doesn't seem like Bandai is super interested in eating the cost. Plus with "these modern times" they'd probably censor the frick out of them anyways. One day I'll stop being lazy and just work out an emulator to check them out.
At least is better than thePersona series, which is basically a meme at this point.
Nah not really. I loved XC1 and all but the Persona games are pretty great, even if I don't like the social link stuff much at all.
>At least is better than the Persona series
Not even you truly believe this.
NTA but I played P2-5 and they're genuinely the most overrated current jrpg series. They're the same brand of trashy jrpg junk food as every other series (Xenoblade included) but get put on a pedestal since their flashy UIs and music do all the heavy lifting to make casuals think they're so unique. The definition of style over substance games
Persona is a 7/10 series and nothing more. At least Xenoblade had a unique story concept with the AI simulated worlds manifesting into real ones
Anyone else kind of let down with the 3's story?
I think 1 and 2 were just too good to top.
Future Redeemed was fricking awesome though.
I wish THAT would have been the 100+ hour game.
Yes, and that seems to be a growing sentiment now that everything has been laid out and properly digested. The game felt more an exercise in ego masturbation for the creator rather than the end of a trilogy.
I really don’t see the sentiment anywhere outside of here. The general consensus is that 3 is a great game at the absolute minimum.
I think it's just Aionios that is a depressing world. The story is actually good. But it lacks the "adventure" from XC2 and epic revenge kino from XC1
I don't think it was a depressing world I just thing Origin feels like a very anti-climatic way to end the series given the foundation that 1 & 2 laid out before us.
Also, despite 3's theme being "the weight of life" death hardly means anything and I would say death had way more significance in 1 and 2 especially.
I actually really like how 3 tackles life and death through their bastardization. Neither have any lasting meaning within the cycle of Keves and Agnus, deriving the soldiers of fundamental aspects of their own existence. Does a good job of driving home how demented the world is.
This
The point is that the weight of life is diminished in Aionios where people are treated like crops to be reaped, consumed and shat back into the battlefield.
The whole point is that once the party becomes aware of life outside of the war, their lives suddenly mean far far more to themselves and their fighting becomes more meaningful beyond just trying to 'eat' the life force of others for survival.
It could be argue that the goal of the party is to restore weight to life and death, instead of them becoming cheap, mutilated tools for Moebius to sustain themselves and the world in a perpetual state of stasis
Fire didn't die and Pneuma sacrifice just split Pyra and Mythra... I don't think Xenoblade ever cared about weight of life. Aionios is just a big hell where souls suffer for eternity.
So many people die in Xenoblade 2
I honestly thought the game was really depressing with how sad and fricked up it could be at times.
The setting just lacks any sense of finality as a consequence of how the Origin system is set up. Like, if noah and his party lose, then Z and the entire world just wait a thousand cycles until it happens again. Anyone that dies doesnt actually die for real because this isnt the real them, even the people who become moebius and cant reincarnate anymore still have their data stored by origin so when the heroes inevitably win they get recreated with the new world. Even if Z does farm Noah reincarnations for forever, eventually even the Eternal Now runs out because bits of Aionios are permanently lost every time an Annihilation Event happens, so after a certain point it just becomes a wash and Z rules over a purple metal ball floating in nothing, feeding and watering captured Queen Administrators, until he finally runs out of resources and does the thing because his inability to kill the queens overrides his procrastination to make the new world.
>I wish THAT would have been the 100+ hour game.
I hear this a lot but when I think about what that would have actually been like, I think it would get boring, if not insufferable, after the 40 hour mark.
The fact that Nikol and Glimmer fall by the wayside in development to be devices for Rex and Shulk to have parental development sort of tells me that it would be hard to balance a proper new cast of characters with fanservice for the old.
Arguably, the only new characters in FR that get proper development are Matthew and Na'el.
>Anyone else kind of let down with the 3's story?
The only thing that was a let-down to me was the pacing of the final chapter.
Running around to grab Origin Fragments wasn't very fun
Crys is an interesting idea to me but too much of his development with Noah is re-running the same path that the Joran storyline already finished up immediately beforehand
And then Origin just is too visually monotonous to be interesting. Origin should have been broken down into three distinct parts:
>The purple techno hell that we see (up to N fight/Melia freed)
>The memory zone that we see in FR; both party members and heroes see events from their past lives that serve as obstacles for everyone to get through.
>The 'Moebius City' at the bottom of Origin, surrounding the theater and is where the Moebius actually hang out when they're not getting kids to kill each other. You actually see the souls of Moebius you beat in side content and main story here, except for N and M
This would have provided some decent variety of both story and lore events and visually distinct areas to experience
My issue with 3 is mostly the world design, shit feels too empty due to every "city" being a camp with a big mech somewhere in the miiddle. The only memorable things of the enviroment are the leftovers from 1 and 2, and the Cloudkeep I guess
I think they just needed to make the ferronises more visible as landmarks the way parts of the Titans were in XB2 or the Mechonis was in XB1 or the way the world tree was in XB2 again.
If I'm in a region, I should be able to see the ferronises from an obvious vantage point from miles and miles away. It should be the equivalent of an army Standard, raised high to let allies and enemies know you're there.
>A great send off for Noah as well. I have to say this is one of the best RPG franchises I've ever had the pleasure of playing.
It really was, I'm glad you enjoyed it so much, Anon. It was a hell of a ride for me and probably what I'd consider one of, if not the strongest trilogies in gaming. Every game was absolutely fantastic.
For me overall, I'd say: 2 > FR > 3 > 1 > Torna > FC
2 has the best animations, imo
https://twitter.com/Blun_Z/status/1690439200309407744
2 was some real jank kino and I love it.
It's one of the few modern JRPGs to really nail down the sense of a globe trotting adventure, both in terms of the actual spaces you explore and the narrative scope.
The fact that each chapter basically had two anime 'arcs' worth of story made the story feel HUGE but noticeably so.
3's still my favorite but I'm happy 2 is doing so well in sales and so many people tried it out and beat it in anticipation of Xenoblade 3
I don't know if it was just the frame of mind I was in when playing 3 compared to 2- but just as you say, 2 really felt like this massive adventure all around the world, and it felt like the story was constantly evolving and changing, and being revealed for you moment by moment.
It only very rarely did the kind of shtick where characters don't ask any questions or look into anything, because it's trying to keep a mystery for a later reveal. You've got the bits about Pyra's past, but that's addressed directly and we know why Rex isn't prodding it. And it never drew out any of the mysteries to the point where it felt like it was overstaying its welcome, you'd constantly have new things revealed to you or shown to you, and at the same time new questions were always added.
Compared to 3 where a huge part of it really just felt like getting from point A to point B, and then the pacing dropped off a fricking cliff when you get to the Etheryia sea and spend a goddamn week exploring such a massive zone in such a godawfully awkward way. And the game constantly seemed to have things where the characters would just not ask questions, or look into anything, all to preserve a latter reveal. You have Triton in your group and the characters are still going "Who are Moebius though!?", you literally get Mio as M and... she reveals fricking nothing at all, because they've given that revelation to Nia. Mio becomes Moebius and it changes nothing- she doesn't fight differently, she doesn't act or think differently, and she doesn't learn or change a single thing. It just feels like wasted potential.
I loved 3 overall, but it frustrated me a good deal. I did absolutely love that prison scene though, goddamn that made you hate N, and his commeuppance was so very sweet. And then FR made me kind'a like him...
I'll say Xenoblade 3 is interesting to me as a game that does almost too much showing and too little telling. A rare problem but a real one at times.
The pacing of 3 is an interesting issue because I do agree that it's very much at odds with the driving force of the main story (Mio's term limit) and it becomes hard to justify that urgency when you're doing Triton's Triple Challenge.
As for characters asking questions about the world, I think there's a line between whether it's something the characters want to know and something the player wants to know. For the characters, it doesn't really matter who Moebius are, because they're using soldiers for their own fuel and also trying to stop the party from freeing the world. They learn enough about Moebius as a faction from K, who makes it clear that they see soldiers as crops and chattel to be consumed for the Consul's benefit. That's as much as Ouroboros needs to know to oppose them
>Mio as M
So, this one is interesting because M didn't know that much, beyond the Queen's location. We can kind of put it together that M does remember all her past lives on Aionios but DOESNT actually remember her past life as Nia's kid since she didn't know that Aionios was originally two separate worlds. Only Nia, MElia and other characters who survived intersection knew any of that.
>Mio becomes Moebius and it changes nothing
She does get that new talent art but it's also implied that she sort of lost her Moebius powers when after they beat N's ass. Like her inability to use Soul Eclipse after using it to give Noah some flashbacks sort of implied to me that some Moebius powers are only usable under Z's allowance.
The new Talent art Mio gets is like how the last Lucky 7 ability Noah gets is reserved for after he absorbs N. They don't get all the Moebius powers when you're actually opposing Moebius
I feel like anyone that thinks 2 was the best Xenoblade only did the main story when the game released and never touched it again.
When you actually really get into the system you realize how ass everything is, the game blueballs you constantly with shit mechanics, and doesn't even trust you to use them right away so you have to rush the story to even have the basic battle system open to you.
It's no wonder the last few chapters are remembered so fondly, they have none of that shit.
2 has some issues but I think the 'feeling' of it is what lots of people latch onto.
I like 3's actual systems the most but 2's animations for arts and attacks and SFX are the best in the series.
There are things I wish were either reworked or used more in gameplay
>Seal effects on Elemental combo finishers
>Cloud Sea level for finding new areas and monsters
>Arts having pointless "do more damage to insect" abilities
>Blade Passives sometimes not synergizing very well
>Blade affinity benefits on Blade Specials often being pointless for things like "more damage on topple" as if toppled enemies aren't almost immediately launched
Those sorts of things could be fine tuned, for sure
But I think the rhythm of it felt much better than something like Xenoblade 1, so ultimately people enjoyed it more in the moment
The complexity for arts was simpler than in 1 but you had more systems to juggle concurrently overall so the amount of mental legwork on players was about the same
The battle system was fine, I'm talking about how the gameplay outside of battles is you browsing menus to upgrade skills, and switch up blades to access portions of the overworld, or do basic shit like look for materials.
The fact merc missions take away blades you could use for these forcing you to either cancel the mission or wait until they come back is bullshit, the counterargument I often see for this is "Just don't do the merc missions, bro" which is also bullshit, a feature of the game shouldn't clash so hard you have to just pretend it doesn't exist to have a better time.
Another thing I wasn't too fond of was you needing to play an arcade game to make Poppi good if you wanted to use her.
And I know all the games do this, but I got really tired of the game playing a cutscene, and then making you walk a short distance to another cutscene, I started noticing it happening so often in the final chapters.
3 and especially the remaster of 1 were so much better to play, I could turn them and just relax without worrying too much.
>The fact merc missions take away blades you could use for these forcing you to either cancel the mission or wait until they come back is bullshit, the counterargument I often see for this is "Just don't do the merc missions, bro" which is also bullshit, a feature of the game shouldn't clash so hard you have to just pretend it doesn't exist to have a better time.
Rather than that, it feels like the issue is you have way too few Blades. I never had this problem, because I usually wasn't sending my most useful Blades off on Merc missions.
You've got way, way more Blades than you'll ever use, so Merc missions are a way to get something out of them.
>Rather than that, it feels like the issue is you have way too few Blades
I wonder why that is.
Oh, yeah. 2 has some really jank stuff in terms of QoL and system synergy.
You have to go into the affinity menu to actually have the new nodes take effect, you can't have merc missions run while the game is off (even though that would really make sense for a game that is portable and on the go)
Lots of stuff, I completely agree with you.
>Another thing I wasn't too fond of was you needing to play an arcade game to make Poppi good if you wanted to use her.
This is perfect, I love this actually. If anything, I wish 3 had more mini games attached to each Hero to unlock their full potential
I think mini game-combat synergy is the peak of JRPG storytelling. In FF9, catching frogs with Quina to upgrade her frog drop ability is peak because, simple and stupid as it is, it completely makes sense for Quina as the goofiest character to get limit-breaking damage from eating frogs.
It also represents the need for her to have restraint by having you need to balance the number of frogs she eats with leaving enough to repopulate for more frogs to catch later.
Mini games are my shit in JRPGs and my biggest sleight against 3 is that it didn't have enough (I liked the monster ranching and potato-growing ones tho)
A big problem with the minigame was me not enjoying it that much, it didn't have enough going on to be fun after the first few runs.
I also wouldn't have hated it as much if there wasn't that one dungeon that heavily cripples blades that aren't Poppi, so you get kinda fricked over if you didn't do the minigame a lot.
>A big problem with the minigame was me not enjoying it that much, it didn't have enough going on to be fun after the first few runs.
I liked it myself, but they patched in an Easy Mode in which should have let you get pretty much anything you needed without any real hassle. I think it was a little tricky to get the Master Chips or whatever, but that's about the only roadblock.
I don't believe there was any penalty to playing on Easy, it was just a pride thing.
Sure, we can debate if tiger tiger could have been more fun or not. But I'd rather have the attempt than have Poppi's progression just be drops from monsters
I'm not doubting people that said they did, but I really don't remember Spirit Crucible Alpys being THAT hard to get through, and I know I didn't grind.
It was more annoying than anything since it was a classic Xenoblade cave situation where enemies will just fall from the ceiling and aggro you while you're walking along a narrow path. That and the poison water everywhere. But I didn't pull my hair out or anything. I think I was too obsessed with getting through it so I could get more of that sweet sweet, NARRATIVE.
I mean, if it was the game that made you FEEL the most, I think it's ok to say it's your favorite
Art is about comunication, even with games I'd say what really matters is what you take from them. That's why people say a game being flawed is better than being mediocre, because at least you get something out of the flawed one.
Help me understand why people like FR so much, because I played it when it came out and it felt like fan fiction to me with its convoluted efforts to connect EVERYTHING in the 3 games in hokey ways. That and the whole "somehow Shulk and Rex returned" thing to excuse them being alive in Aionios for purely fanservice purposes just made the whole thing feel less like a competent, coherent ending and more like a mess of ideas meant to mindlessly appeal to fans.
Is it just the fanservice? Or is there something else that I'm missing?
I had the same response. All characters were overall bad, mostly a result of a shortened game. Rex/Shulk are strictly there for fan service. A could have been removed from the game entirely and no one would have noticed because she played zero part in the plot other than a short lived voice of reason. The story is connected poorly to the point where some characters will straight up say "no idea how we're still alive or here". All topped with a non-ending explaining essentially nothing except for what happened to Alvis. Combat was also worse because anyone with half a brain cell figured out double spinning edge.
The original intended ending, as stated by devs, was to have their core crystal glow, and end it there. It's honestly the better option as it invokes wonder/hope into the, at that point, sad ending instead of being some relatively irrational result on top of making their "sacrifice" entirely pointless for a relatively lame "happy ending". Plus it allows writers to work off of it in any direction. As bad as 3's late game plot was, it's ending was much better, as it did exactly this.
Double spinning edge fricked the aggro table up to hard, was better to control shulk and evasion tank if you wanted to clear anything on the hardest difficulty post level 50.
Irrelevant when the super boss's main mechanics are giant area attacks. Cleared all of them on hard, primarily using healers and Rex in between so that someone could do damage. Aggro is pointless when you can die to wipe it. Plus dying becomes beneficial to your healers to reset their skills. That said, my point remains as hard mode super bosses is autistic play that few even attempt.
In a game where 80% of the skills are useless situational bullshit like +5% bonus accuracy to flying enemies at night, I agree with this. Or rather, have a way to convert extra materials you find into gems needed for Poppi parts, in addition to the mini game which would still serve as a more focused way of farming parts.
I really don't know why they include those "flying enemy" or "machine enemy" or "MORE DAMAGE INDOORS" upgrades on gear or Blades or what have you.
The games are never hard enough to justify needing them.
If we get DEs of 2 and 3 ever, this is what they need to change: replace the hyper situational shit with stuff that can at least synergize with other abilities or gear
You can keep enemy types but have it so they have generalized qualities that make them distinct to fight, rather than having specific abilities that work better on them.
Flying enemies can be hit by ground-affecting abilities, Humanoid enemies can use combo reactions, etc
People sure love their harem anime JRPGs
3 is AIDS.
Frick the worthless, forgettable Alphabet Gang villains
Frick the Harem that amounted to frick all storywise, and only invited more lustposting from the worst sects of the fandom
Frick retconning Alvis into more FotM waifu garbage
Frick boring mash-up world that’s drab, flat and a pain in the ass to explore
Frick Takahashi for trying to sand any unique fantasy identity off of Xenoblade as an IP so that he can just make Xenosaga again in the future
>so that he can just make Xenosaga again in the future
We own this franchise, bladebaby
Frick you, I want my actual selection of fantasy races. Not just homogenized humans with an obligatory Nopon mascot.
Why do people like future redeemed
The story is just as fricking moronic as the main game and the fanservice is half assed and nonsensical
Battered housewife syndrome among the Xenoblade sycophants
Because it was actually the part 3 people wanted, also it tied X and Saga together in to Chronicles.
>Because it was actually the part 3 people wanted
>REX AND SHULK ARE HERE
>why? uhhhhhhhhhh
>where is everyone else? uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>and here's their kids! but not all of them, or their wives, and also they never actually admit to each other they're related so all their interactions are extremely basic
>also no other main character that is missing only because we literally wrote them out even gets referred to by name, if they're acknowledged at all
>DUDE WE UNFRICKED 3'S ENDING by not showing any character resolution at all, just yes the world's actually DID merge even though we knew that already and it still was not properly developed and an asspull anyway
Already didn’t like 3, FR just convinced me that there’s absolutely no good ideas at all that came from trying to connect everything.
A lot of the grievances with Future Redeemed stem from 3's core concept of being in this alternate reality world with 10 year life spans and everything's just held in a pseudo-stasis.
If they simply merged the worlds of 1 and 2 normally or made some sort of rift that allowed you to travel between the worlds and had everyone have their normal biology and none of this gimmicky Aionios crap, it would have been leagues better.
>Shulk takes up smoking like Dickson
Even if it’s a shitpost image it’s a neat detail and I love that.
I've got some issues with FR and I don't really find Matthew all that compelling- similar to Torna where I'd rather have followed Addam and Mythra than followed Jin and Lora, I'd much rather have just spent the time and character focus on Rex and Shulk instead.
It's a bit cowardly in how it never outright says that Nikol is Shulk's son, and Glimmer is Rex's daughter, it implies it so clearly that you can't miss it, and yet won't ever say it, nevermind Glimmer and Nikol never learn those things. Similar with the handful of lines from Rex where you can see his tone shifting as he talks about Nia, Pyra and Mythra, you can hear his love for them... but Nia was free and active at this point in the story, why the frick is Rex hanging around here instead of with her? Why isn't he seeking her out? Why isn't she part of their gang?
But everything else about it just feels wonderful
>Rex and Shulk both feel like wonderful evolutions of their character, older, wiser, a little more cynical but the same men
>That incredible conversation from Shulk where A gently chides him for asking about the future
>Rex going "Wheeeeee" when sliding down ropelines, and that whole Salvager King questline
>It's just fricking fun to play, super enjoyable battle system and when you start overcapping chain attacks the damage numbers you can pull with Rex is absolutely obscene
>Super Bossses that're largely enjoyable, although not as good as 2's
>No time wasting bullshit, moves fast, progresses quickly, doesn't come to a screeching halt like Torna
>Feels like it was scoped properly. Torna is way, way, way, smaller than the story it needed to tell and it feels it. FC didn't know what it was doing. FR feels like the perfect length for its narrative, and the narrative is interesting all the way through without any dead spots
Truly, it's goddamn wonderful.
> but Nia was free and active at this point in the story, why the frick is Rex hanging around here instead of with her? Why isn't he seeking her out? Why isn't she part of their gang?
Well gee, it’s almost like the whole harem thing was an ill thought out idea that they did for wankbait, rather than because they had any sort of story ideas to go with it.
Sounds like you're just looking for reasons to make yourself mad, Anon. Do you think Rex wouldn't be looking for Nia if she hadn't married him? no? The harem has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
And the harem was from 2 anyway, people who seriously didn't think Nia was going to join after the Union attack, after Nia's talent tree unlocks, and after the NG+ sequence were just setting themselves up for failure.
>don’t actually build the meaningful parts of a romance across two entire encyclopedia length games beyond one line of flavor text and a title screen you added post release
>just expect people to clap and be invested because it makes them jerk off and wish they were the character
If you can’t write anything about it, don’t write it into your story. Simple enough.
You only have yourself to blame for being moronic.
>why the frick is Rex hanging around here instead of with her? Why isn't he seeking her out? Why isn't she part of their gang?
She had already went to sleep in the Cloudkeep at the time of FR. Try actually paying attention.
Because it's bargain bin popcorn MAHVAL capeshit "I clapped when I saw it" bullshit for normalgays, and normalgays love Xenoblade.
They aren't smart enough to understand the dialogue of 3 as anything but "KILLING BAD", and just wanted to see references to 1, 2, and Xenosaga.
I understood 3, I loved 3, it's my second highest mainline game. But FR is better.
Fanservice isn't bad, and "I clapped when I saw it!" shit complaints doesn't make any sense when you're talking about a directly connected 3 part series. There's meant to be overlap, there's meant to be references, the connections are a huge part of the larger narrative, that's outright the point. And, even though I love them, RLM are goddamn hypocrites with that too, since Picard S3 is literally "I clapped when I saw the Enterprise D" and they fricking loved it.
Turns out, people really do like enjoy seeing reasonable connections to things they value. RLM being super cynical about Star Wars isn't relevant to Xenoblade's third mainline entry.
>RLM are goddamn hypocrites with that too
Doesn't matter who made the argument as long as it has weight to it.
The most successful pieces of media these days are remakes and nostalgiabait, it makes the modern consumer look like a bunch of middleaged losers that can't let go of their childhood, while actual children don't give a frick about anything but memes, e-celebs, and smoking weed.
Real talk, Pyra and Mythra staying dead, and Rex moving on by getting together with Nia would have been much better story than the harem.
>B-But it's le sad!
I don't care
I think that would have been the more typical ending but I'm happy with how 2 chose to go with an outright happy ending that breaks the moment a bit.
I would have been okay with your idea but I'm still happy with what we got
Marketer thread
FF16 was boring. Boring characters, boring world, mediocre gameplay that felt suitable for party based ARPG combat but you only got 1 character so it got stale quick.
Xenoblade 2 is dogshit
I replayed all the Xeno games. I was hard on Xenoblade 2 the first time but after 200 hours, its still the worst Xeno in the series.
>I have to say this is one of the best RPG franchises I've ever had the pleasure of playing.
this reads like a reddit post btw
Xenoblade 3 was so bad it made me retroactively question my enjoyment of 1 and 2
YOU BASTARDS!
WORK ON XENOBLADE X'S STUPID FRICKING PORT SO YOU CAN FINISH WHAT YOU FRICKING STARTED YOU GODDAMN COWARDS.
I WILL NOT BE PLAYING YOUR END GAME CONTENT WHILE YOU'VE JUST BLUEBALLED ME.
I WILL NOT PLAY XENOBLADE 1, 2 OR 3 OR BUY ANY OF YOUR CONTENT.
AND JUST OUT OF SPITE I WILL ALSO NOT TOUCH ANY OTHER "XENO" GAME.
YOU WILL MAKE XENOBLADE X2.
As someone who was definitely high on the ride when playing FR, now that the dust has unironically settled, yeah, it was pretty flawed.
I'm not saying I wouldn't WANT it. I did like seeing Shulk and Rex again, and having them interact canonically for the first time.
But even before it was revealed, I lamented the fact that the DLC was just going to be more prequel junk about an aspect of the base game's story that literally needed NO further explanation than what was given.
>Do my weekly check of gelbooru's Xenoblade tag
>Still primarily Pyra, Mythra, and Nia
What makes them so special?
Smash secondaries
Shill thread
Moeshitters will praise 2 for qualities it doesn't even have. It doesn't have that much going for, the story is pretentious and dumb, the setting turns out to be lacking despite the first impressions you get and the idea of multiple titans, it all felt generic and fake. The gameplay felt dumbed down and the whole blade-driver thing felt like a dumb Pokemon gimmick like Z moves or some shit artificially put together. Don't get me started on the gacha shit. It was quite underwhelming once you finish the intro, all your expectations bursted.
3 is a fricking mess, guess they tried to recreate Xenosaga with this one. It only pretends to be deep but it's really as shallow as 2 was. The gameplay is a fricking incoherent mess supposed to look cool? Repetitive storyline I guess that's what they were going for lmao, really running in circles, not engaging at all. Trying to pander to fans of their previous works felt like some shitty fanfic. Really "less is more"
Xenoblade 1 is a standard yet enjoyable JRPG with a simple yet engaging fantasy story with an original setting and elements making it feel unique and memorable.
Are all xeno 1 gays raging homosexuals?
But Xenoblade 1 is the only Xenoblade without a troony
>Xeno 1
Yeah, Geargays love wiener
Just because you're right doesn't mean you're correct.
I disliked 3 but somehow clocked over 1000 hours playing and replaying it over and over again, in a sort of endless now
Future Redeemed just went off the goddamned rails. A lot fun gameplaywise, but total nonsense.
Its not over though, and frankly I'm scared of Xenoblade becoming a cash cow like Persona.
You're 2 games and 3 dlcs late
I hate how 2 and 3 didn't just place the sword at the front like 1 did.
I hate Rex's harem because Melia is still alone and everyone is laughing at my b***h.
Frick off moron.
Dunban is single and ready to mingle
If she wants a handsome Homz husband then he's everything she wished for. What she likes in Shulk he picked from Dunban!
Stop replying to shitposters
>crippled homs fingers wrote this post
You're a sistercon weirdo
Everyone loves Melia. More than Fiora, but less than Nia.
It's not Melia's fault that Takahashi is a bad writer who flanderizes her.
Ya'll lost
Catgirls are awful
Based xeno enjoyer.
>Rex: Where do you workout?
>Shulk: At the library
Shulk looks manly though.
Compared to Rex, no one looks all that manly.
Bro looks like he eats lightning and craps thunder.
>Rex: Where do you workout?
>Shulk: At the hair salon
Holy mother of esl itt
xenoblade 2 bad
if you like it you're wrong
simple as
Whoa, stop it Jesus.
You can't just tell the truth like that.
I don't get why people praise FR so much, the plot is lame, combat genuinely sucks, and the party is probably the worst in the series sans X. Matthew and A are great but Shulk and Rex barely do anything outside of being "the mentor/father figures", and the fact that they're both doing that same thing really drags things down, and then Glimmer and Shulk's kid I genuinely can't remember the name of never do anything. At least the exploration and side content was great, but it felt really underwhelming as an experience to me and Torna mogs the shit out of it as an expansion. Really, 3's season pass is a complete travesty compared to 2's just in general.
Only played Xen 2, great world building, really interesting to explore the biomes.
Every thing else is just bad, characters are a joke, the villain is some fratboy looking pokemon thing, the story is some weird nonsene thing, the combat is a QTE rhythm game that has the visuals of slot machine.
>strongest blade in xenoblade 2 was created by the sword art online artist
says all you need to know about xenoblade 2
Are there even people here that started with Xenoblade on wii, or just remaster people.
I started with Xenoblade 1 on the New 3ds because I was interested in X.
Putting huge game like xc on weak system like 3ds was really something.
For what its worth its genuinely an impressive as frick port, even if it looks like shit half the time.
Exactly. And then they try to tell me they can't port xcx to switch. That's fricking bullshit, if they managed to port that to 3ds
I started with Xenogears on the PS1.
Unironically, I started with X.
I got interested in the series when Chuggaconroy did his original Let's Play of it many moons ago. What's crazy is that I never even finished X and thought
>Gee, I hope the next game is more narrative driven like the first game
And thank the Architect above it was.
Xenoblade Wii, but I had already finished Xenogears and the Xenosaga trilogy back then.
Takahashi is kino and makes Ganker seethe, which is always amusing. Same with any Kojima game thread around here.
>loved first one to death
>never finished 2
>never started torna
>never finished 3
Even if i buy games i never finish them today. The drive is just gone. I don't know if it's just me jaded or the other 2 aren't as good as the first one, and i don't mean gameplay. Even the music didn't catch as much as the first one.
Its just you, the scene direction only got better in 2 and 3, especially the use of music. Wandering Spirit playing as Rex and Malos are arguing and the world is burning and Klaus is ruminating is the Komm Susser Todd moment of the Xeno series.
Yeah probably. I tried to get back to them, but when you return to a game months after you don't remember anything and starting All over, thinking i have to play 100h again puts me off too.
Didn't even open Torna, lol. No idea why i bought it.
>1 and 2
Normalgay e-celeb garbage
>X and 3
Xenokino
There literally wasn't a single normalgay and redditor in xenoblade before Smash shit.
>before Smash shit
The original Xenoblade was the only game out when Shulk got in Smash, so that's literally the only game it applies to.
As a dedicated baten kaitos fan, XC1 was always normalgay shit. Project Waterfall or whatever the frick it was ruined the fanbase.
I'm glad you had a good time
Xenoblade 2 ALWAYS WINS. ALWAYS. Now seethe. You will forever be a dickless troony and I will feed on your suffering. Seethe troony seethe.
most sane 2oomer fan