Let's think about this logically, FF7 remake sold 7million, had a loads of assets for part 2 already made, part 3 already has the vast majority of its assets made, they've kept like 80% of the same team for all 3 games, 3 lots of sony exclusivity money(I assume for part 3_, EGS exclusivity money(I pray to God just for intergrade), yet people still think the FF7 remakes are flops?
Do you morons even know the definitions of word you use? Fricking. Morons.
They're not cancelling final fricking fantasy its everything else thats getting scrapped
They're restructuring because the AA games don't make a profit and are just a massive money sink, so rather than releasing 10-15 AA games a year they're cutting them out completely and focusing on 'indie' budget games and AAA games.
The sales of Remake, 16, and Rebirth had almost nothing to do with the decision. It's strictly based on how insanely underperforming the majority of their AA titles are.
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They're restructuring because the AA games don't make a profit and are just a massive money sink, so rather than releasing 10-15 AA games a year they're cutting them out completely and focusing on 'indie' budget games and AAA games.
The sales of Remake, 16, and Rebirth had almost nothing to do with the decision. It's strictly based on how insanely underperforming the majority of their AA titles are.
Why are they restructuring then?
the reestructure has been in the talks since kyriu took over, you morons
that was like a year ago or something
what, you b***hes think this kind of stuff is done from one day to another?
Did you miss the part where they just canceled a bunch of games right now?
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Why were they still paying people for these projects?
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Because you don't restructure a business overnight. It needs to be thought out, planned out, different analysts give their input. Then the board of directors needs to approve of it as well. Which didn't happen until late March.
>the reestructure has been in the talks since kyriu took over, you morons
Absolutely nothing I said in the original post (
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They're restructuring because the AA games don't make a profit and are just a massive money sink, so rather than releasing 10-15 AA games a year they're cutting them out completely and focusing on 'indie' budget games and AAA games.
The sales of Remake, 16, and Rebirth had almost nothing to do with the decision. It's strictly based on how insanely underperforming the majority of their AA titles are.
) says otherwise you half-assed clown.
In fact, specifically saying that the sales of 16 and Rebirth having almost nothing to do with the decision plays in line with what you're saying.
Wow so they're gonna do the thing that every other vidya company did 10 years ago. Truly up on the times. Luckily they're be ahead of the game with nfts and ai!
>The sales of Remake, 16, and Rebirth had almost nothing to do with the decision.
cope - they had three major "AAA" flops in a row, to say it didn't influence or speed it up would be naive
Are you so dense that you assume flop means solely financial? The drop off rate from Remake to Rebirth is significant, and if their Golden Goose of 7 can't even retain of bring in players, then they're fricked. Zoomers don't give a shit about the brand, Boomers who hoped for a remake and got baited lost the tiny bit of good faith they had left for Square. Outside of that 16 had a fairly mixed reception, so beyond the compilationgays and sunken costers who will buy part 3 of the remake, what light on the horizon is left for Square? Their Break In Case Of Emergencies remake of 7 just did okay, and if they could screw that up what chance does 17 have?
Wow they're already on final fantasy 17? Amazing how they've made so many games when none of them are selling that well. I'm not sure theres any other game that has 17 numbered entries usually they rebrand or retitle at that point.
Rebirth is 14th for LIFETIME revenue. The other titles have been out for years, most decades. Rebirth has been out for 2 months. Did you miss that this is for lifetime sales? Also consider that most rebirth assets were already made with remake. Part 3 will have basically all of the assets from rebirth at this point. Therefore, the cost of each subsequent installment is less. The sales, while still immature, can then be lower for rebirth and part 3 from a profitability standpoint. Does this make sense to baby? Or should I re-explain in Tactical Mode?
I think XVI showed that pandering to modern tastes doesn't work. They need to go back to basics. Also reduce their budgets. Fans will buy that game at any quality if its fun and what they're looking for.
Dragon Quest 12 flopping is going to fricking kill them and I'm all for it. This company went to shit after FF13 and was only kept alive by their shitty gachas. Avengers genuinely should have killed them off for good but it never did.
I don't play modern FF nor do I talk about it.
The idea that DQ12 would bomb though is still moronic. It's just wild speculation because nothing actually interesting happens in most of your lives.
It was very easy to predict the trajectory of FF considering how often it was out of touch with its audience.
If you couldn't tell that franchise was in a downward spiral by at least XIII, you're probably moronic.
That's besides the point either way because DQXII's core audience, you know, the people who actually buy the games, is completely alien to anyone here. >b-but they're wokify it!
DQ, unlike FF, is still owned by and has major development led by its original creator. >b-but action combat!
People who have never played a DQ game read what Horii said and took it to me he was making an ARPG, when the reality was that DQXI was a return to traditional gameplay after IX and X were completely different types of games. DQ has always been a series that constantly evolved its gameplay.
No one predicted what would happen to final fantasy games BEFORE they got bad thats the point.
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People did actually.
Sure, the majority of people (keep in mind, the majority of FF fans were children or teenagers) didn't, but the writing was on the wall. >most successful FF games were one that tried to be trend setters and pushed the boundaries of graphical fidelity in games >this leads to Spirits Within and the CG model meme >'guchi leaves >it becomes clear FF now just gets tossed around to whoever (X-2, Compilation of VII, The After Years, XI) >games becomes less focused on gameplay and exploration, more focused on pretty cutscenes and melodrama only teenagers would find emotional
It was very obvious in the early 2000s that if FF didn't get its shit together, it would inevitably spiral into its current irrelevancy. This is because of multiple factors mentioned above, with the core of FF transforming into "We have to have the biggest games ever", because that's what VII and VIII were at the time of release. You could see this behavior manifesting in X, and it combined with the complete aimlessness of the franchise beyond emulating VII and VIII style melodrama was the recipe for the Fabula Nova Crystallis project, a massive five game project all about being the biggest and best game series of all time.
Meanwhile, DQ has never had such pretentions. People who say all the games are the same are moronic, but DQ does constantly evolve while being aware of its place. After the mega success of 3, you wanna know what they did? They made a narrative heavy game with a set party. After the mega success of 4? They ditched the set party and had the player's core party be monsters they collected throughout the game. Fast forward and 9 would be the only game to truly emulate 3's style of DQ, and it was a pseudo online co-op handheld game. DQ is constantly evolving and redefining itself.
The irony is that FF hasn't changed what it is, but rather continues to chase what it used to be nearly 30 years ago, which is why it's dead and irrelevant.
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Hindsight is 20/20 what modern franchise could you predict is gonna go to shit now that doesn't currently have any bad games?
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>he says, while predicting DQ will go to shit because ???
It was very easy to predict the trajectory of FF considering how often it was out of touch with its audience.
If you couldn't tell that franchise was in a downward spiral by at least XIII, you're probably moronic.
That's besides the point either way because DQXII's core audience, you know, the people who actually buy the games, is completely alien to anyone here. >b-but they're wokify it!
DQ, unlike FF, is still owned by and has major development led by its original creator. >b-but action combat!
People who have never played a DQ game read what Horii said and took it to me he was making an ARPG, when the reality was that DQXI was a return to traditional gameplay after IX and X were completely different types of games. DQ has always been a series that constantly evolved its gameplay.
FF7R kneecapped itself right off the bat, by nerfing Tifa's breasts. Add to that, that Nomura is a mess and should never be in charge of anything, just look at the mess that is kingdom hearts. We need more stuff like Nier or Stellar Blade, hot women in a game that looks good and plays well to.
why are white men so racist? it almost feels like the hate for them is justified
keep being like that, you will never not be hated if you keep being like that
I feel like FF is being and has been used as a way to insert vanity projects of some of these cooky producers and directors, which end up poisoning the brand, rather than actually focusing on what people want. Instead they blame fortnite and mobile games much like how harada blames Tekken fans for not wanting responsibility for their losses and not that Murray is a fricking hack.
I and many other Japanese fans miss the old FF and the reason I don’t play these slop games is because they abandoned it
Too hard for them
What, are you antisemitic or something?
Thankfully they won't since they're run by old fricks that will soon see the demise of the company.
It will be hard
It being my dick
half gay
Let's think about this logically, FF7 remake sold 7million, had a loads of assets for part 2 already made, part 3 already has the vast majority of its assets made, they've kept like 80% of the same team for all 3 games, 3 lots of sony exclusivity money(I assume for part 3_, EGS exclusivity money(I pray to God just for intergrade), yet people still think the FF7 remakes are flops?
Do you morons even know the definitions of word you use? Fricking. Morons.
They're not cancelling final fricking fantasy its everything else thats getting scrapped
Why are they restructuring then?
They're restructuring because the AA games don't make a profit and are just a massive money sink, so rather than releasing 10-15 AA games a year they're cutting them out completely and focusing on 'indie' budget games and AAA games.
The sales of Remake, 16, and Rebirth had almost nothing to do with the decision. It's strictly based on how insanely underperforming the majority of their AA titles are.
>The sales of Remake, 16, and Rebirth had almost nothing to do with the decision
How much is Square paying you to spout nonsense?
Ok barry.
the reestructure has been in the talks since kyriu took over, you morons
that was like a year ago or something
what, you b***hes think this kind of stuff is done from one day to another?
Did you miss the part where they just canceled a bunch of games right now?
Why were they still paying people for these projects?
Because you don't restructure a business overnight. It needs to be thought out, planned out, different analysts give their input. Then the board of directors needs to approve of it as well. Which didn't happen until late March.
>the reestructure has been in the talks since kyriu took over, you morons
Absolutely nothing I said in the original post (
) says otherwise you half-assed clown.
In fact, specifically saying that the sales of 16 and Rebirth having almost nothing to do with the decision plays in line with what you're saying.
Wow so they're gonna do the thing that every other vidya company did 10 years ago. Truly up on the times. Luckily they're be ahead of the game with nfts and ai!
>The sales of Remake, 16, and Rebirth had almost nothing to do with the decision.
cope - they had three major "AAA" flops in a row, to say it didn't influence or speed it up would be naive
They said they're gonna focus on those types of games though. If they were flops they'd be moving away from them.
Are you so dense that you assume flop means solely financial? The drop off rate from Remake to Rebirth is significant, and if their Golden Goose of 7 can't even retain of bring in players, then they're fricked. Zoomers don't give a shit about the brand, Boomers who hoped for a remake and got baited lost the tiny bit of good faith they had left for Square. Outside of that 16 had a fairly mixed reception, so beyond the compilationgays and sunken costers who will buy part 3 of the remake, what light on the horizon is left for Square? Their Break In Case Of Emergencies remake of 7 just did okay, and if they could screw that up what chance does 17 have?
>flop means solely financial?
you mean the things its meant since the dawn of time?
Wow they're already on final fantasy 17? Amazing how they've made so many games when none of them are selling that well. I'm not sure theres any other game that has 17 numbered entries usually they rebrand or retitle at that point.
>Their Break In Case Of Emergencies remake of 7 just did okay.
>Remake 2nd in sales
>Remake II 14th
Yeah, so the remake was shit and now people know
Rebirth is 14th for LIFETIME revenue. The other titles have been out for years, most decades. Rebirth has been out for 2 months. Did you miss that this is for lifetime sales? Also consider that most rebirth assets were already made with remake. Part 3 will have basically all of the assets from rebirth at this point. Therefore, the cost of each subsequent installment is less. The sales, while still immature, can then be lower for rebirth and part 3 from a profitability standpoint. Does this make sense to baby? Or should I re-explain in Tactical Mode?
zoomers seem to have latched on to XV
Also it would help if they actually made RPGs again. All the white people left this fanbase a long time ago
They already have turn based RPGs with plenty of white people in them.
cmon man you don't have to specify the creators of bomberman we all know who they are
It's about ass with zoomers
We need big butt SE chicks in FF17
I think XVI showed that pandering to modern tastes doesn't work. They need to go back to basics. Also reduce their budgets. Fans will buy that game at any quality if its fun and what they're looking for.
Does jill have a nice ass?
Even if she did you would make up some other missing fad to place the blame on.
Modern taste is shit. It's just gays, blacks, ugly hags in hijab and that's it.
Zoomers are the most asexual genre of us all, they contribute the most of birthrate declination.
Barret and Sazh are great though
But the games are not about them.
not sazh
Literally the only good FFXIII character
Need more e-girls and young girls like Yuffie.
This, also babymaking sex with Yuffie.
>white men with big breasts
Huh
Dragon Quest 12 flopping is going to fricking kill them and I'm all for it. This company went to shit after FF13 and was only kept alive by their shitty gachas. Avengers genuinely should have killed them off for good but it never did.
>games that aren't even out yet are flopping
wow square enix is really in the shitter
>Dragon Quest 12 flopping is going to fricking kill them and I'm all for it
You're moronic if you think this will happen.
And what was it you said about final fantasy again?
I don't play modern FF nor do I talk about it.
The idea that DQ12 would bomb though is still moronic. It's just wild speculation because nothing actually interesting happens in most of your lives.
And I take it you played old school final fantasy? And you never thought they would make it to the point they're at now?
I did, all of them. And modern SE is shit.
No one predicted what would happen to final fantasy games BEFORE they got bad thats the point.
People did actually.
Sure, the majority of people (keep in mind, the majority of FF fans were children or teenagers) didn't, but the writing was on the wall.
>most successful FF games were one that tried to be trend setters and pushed the boundaries of graphical fidelity in games
>this leads to Spirits Within and the CG model meme
>'guchi leaves
>it becomes clear FF now just gets tossed around to whoever (X-2, Compilation of VII, The After Years, XI)
>games becomes less focused on gameplay and exploration, more focused on pretty cutscenes and melodrama only teenagers would find emotional
It was very obvious in the early 2000s that if FF didn't get its shit together, it would inevitably spiral into its current irrelevancy. This is because of multiple factors mentioned above, with the core of FF transforming into "We have to have the biggest games ever", because that's what VII and VIII were at the time of release. You could see this behavior manifesting in X, and it combined with the complete aimlessness of the franchise beyond emulating VII and VIII style melodrama was the recipe for the Fabula Nova Crystallis project, a massive five game project all about being the biggest and best game series of all time.
Meanwhile, DQ has never had such pretentions. People who say all the games are the same are moronic, but DQ does constantly evolve while being aware of its place. After the mega success of 3, you wanna know what they did? They made a narrative heavy game with a set party. After the mega success of 4? They ditched the set party and had the player's core party be monsters they collected throughout the game. Fast forward and 9 would be the only game to truly emulate 3's style of DQ, and it was a pseudo online co-op handheld game. DQ is constantly evolving and redefining itself.
The irony is that FF hasn't changed what it is, but rather continues to chase what it used to be nearly 30 years ago, which is why it's dead and irrelevant.
Hindsight is 20/20 what modern franchise could you predict is gonna go to shit now that doesn't currently have any bad games?
>he says, while predicting DQ will go to shit because ???
It was very easy to predict the trajectory of FF considering how often it was out of touch with its audience.
If you couldn't tell that franchise was in a downward spiral by at least XIII, you're probably moronic.
That's besides the point either way because DQXII's core audience, you know, the people who actually buy the games, is completely alien to anyone here.
>b-but they're wokify it!
DQ, unlike FF, is still owned by and has major development led by its original creator.
>b-but action combat!
People who have never played a DQ game read what Horii said and took it to me he was making an ARPG, when the reality was that DQXI was a return to traditional gameplay after IX and X were completely different types of games. DQ has always been a series that constantly evolved its gameplay.
Square Enix Problems:
1. Bad management
2. Wasteful expenditure
3. Disillusioned interest in new technology like NFTs
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100. Diversity inclusion
Don't forget SE's ethics department, those homosexuals should be gassed.
you are missing a big one buddy
developer here gives a full round down on how those ethic departments and dei homosexuals work
There hasn't been a single square enix game that has interested me in over 15 years. At some point its time to let go.
>Just make games about white men and women with big breasts its not that hard.
Literally yes.
Already censored.
they did and its the best selling ff
FF7R kneecapped itself right off the bat, by nerfing Tifa's breasts. Add to that, that Nomura is a mess and should never be in charge of anything, just look at the mess that is kingdom hearts. We need more stuff like Nier or Stellar Blade, hot women in a game that looks good and plays well to.
>we need more action games
yes
>Nier
>plays well
Pick one
why are white men so racist? it almost feels like the hate for them is justified
keep being like that, you will never not be hated if you keep being like that
We're hated no matter what we do now. Might as well have fun and reciprocate the feeling.
Sounds difficult, wouldnt you like slopa instead?
>wants men to be in games
gay
>games don't have to be good they just have to align with my political beliefs
I just wanna play good games, which is why I don't play squeenix games.
I feel like FF is being and has been used as a way to insert vanity projects of some of these cooky producers and directors, which end up poisoning the brand, rather than actually focusing on what people want. Instead they blame fortnite and mobile games much like how harada blames Tekken fans for not wanting responsibility for their losses and not that Murray is a fricking hack.
I and many other Japanese fans miss the old FF and the reason I don’t play these slop games is because they abandoned it
Please...just make final fantasy tactics advance 3....please....
>women with big breasts
I'd rather play a mobage or kusoge with cute e-girls that are completely for (You).
So ff7 remake?