>just make it like Diablo 3 again
lol the hype died down and people are starting to realize how fricking trash 4 is and how good 3 actually was
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I remember 3 being about the same with less build variety.
>Less build variety
While I don't know if this is the case yet since I am still doing the campaign. I remember in D3 you weren't forced to used certain skills once your unlocked them. You weren't forced to use basic attacks if you didn't want to. You could put anything on your right and left click. Now if feel funneled from the very beginning to build around my starting points. Even though ideally i don't want to be left clicking at all unless thats the build that kills everything quickly.
I like 4 but i am hoping some wacky stuff drops soon that changes how i play dramatically.
What? It's the same, there are basic attacks and for some classes they generate resources and for others they are free then you have spenders.
You are just as much forced in both games to use them unless or until you can get legendaries that can generate enough resources so you don't need to use them.
There are literally two builds that work with Necro right now in D4, and their only difference is which damage skill you choose.
>less build variety
Sure it's not on Poe level but come on, what the frick are you on?
I’m having fun. Cope.
dilate troony
>NO YOURE NOT HAVING FUN YOU HAVE TO BE MISERABLE LIKE ME MAKING THESE THREADS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER...
embarrassing
Yep this is literally the mentality of the forum trannies and redditors.
Seethe you fricking troony
>nooo don't point out how the game is shit
go back to the blizz forums, oh wait they're talking shit about the game too! lmao
>damage numbers in an ARPG
Cringe gay yikes oof
>this is fun
Lol, the moment this turns into the same disgusting moshpit as D3 and PoE is the moment I quit.
>pig threatens to stop eating slop as he is slopping it up
i laughed out loud
Yeah what the frick D4 demo was fine, I enjoyed being less powerful, PoE autistic fireworks are extremely unfun.
they already got your money paypiggy
density is what makes arpg combat fun..carving a path through a horde of enemies is objectively cooler than killing mobs 1 by 1
3 was unironically good after Raper of Souls though
still is i never understood the hate for 3
because it had a dogshit launch. moron. youd be the guy who walks into a area devastated by a hurricane, rebuilt and then say i dont see what the problem was everything is fine
Huh. Japan got hit by two nukes and today it's looking better than ever.
homie i bought that game on lauch and it was fun af
you must have stayed on normal difficulty then because the balance of that game was atrocious
you had to buy shit off the auction house just to progress
you couldn't be more wrong you clearly don't know what you're talking about anybody could get to hell but after act 2 it was hard af and you needed to scout for items on the INGAME GOLD auction house
the morons who review bombed that game are just mad cause they to stupid and didn't abuse the real money auction house and made a quick buck
twitch streamers back then even made lottery drawings with viewers for runs in hell act 3 so they could get good gear
why are you disagreeing with me and then telling me exactly what I told you? lmao
take your fricking meds you subhuman troony
Launch was an actual dumpster fire and the RMAH was the beginning of Blizzard taking their israeliteness to new highs.
Game was great otherwise
diablo 4 is trash
diablo 3 is trash
if you think otherwise you're wrong moronic
simple as
this is an absolute fact
>subhuman troony hates on 3
nah 3 is the only good diablo game frick 2 trannies
i played that trash back in 2007 and all there was to it was baal runs BY FRICKING BOTS and polak rune scammers
sorry about the mental moronation anon
my condolences
take your meds schizo
D4 is basically d3, and it's absolute dogshit
nope 4 is cancerous woke trash that also looks like mud and is no fun so it's more like 2
It definitely looks visually like d2, but mechanically it is MUCH closer to d3, not even comparible to d2, really.
>It definitely looks visually like d2
It doesn't, looks more like PoE if anything.
>It definitely looks visually like d2
nah, it's like a "realistic" version of 3, and there are times when it's literally indistinguishable from 3
D3 was fun but it looked like shit, D4 looks great it just needs some tweaking
>D4 looks great
you're fricking delusional
D4 is what Diablo should look like instead of ugly cartoony WoW like D3
nta, and I agree d3 looks cartoon as frick, but of everything I've seen about d4, it looks grey as frick
even the enemies are grey
everyone is fricking grey
>noooooo it's supposed to look like a brown shit stain
Both look like shit. D4 is like they course-corrected way too fricking hard from the D3 rainbow criticism and decided to make it dull and colorless instead.
>going for realism when graphics are constantly improving every year
Always ends up making a game look bad.
yes much better to make your game eternally ugly like D3 than try to make something that looks good for at least a few years
Explain this then D2ard.
explain what? how d2 still looks way better than d3 even when you put a black and white filter over it?
Diablo 2, even non-resurrected, still looks better than D3. D4 too really.
We get it man, you're an epic contrarian....
The contrarian opinion is actually thinking D3 looks good though.
It does look good. And I like Torchlight too. I can handle a bit of color. Quit being a fedora tipping little shit.
Whatever you say, my little epic contrarian.
Uh no you.
the overwhelming reception of D3 was that it was bad. thinking it was ever good is unironically the contrarian opinion.
Look at this thread. Plenty of lads thinking it's GOATed now as we speak. History is being rewritten. You are being phased out. Cope.
Yeah, that's effectively what I said. Particularly in there, the overwhelming consensus ever since they showed their finalized design was that the artstyle looked like shit for a Diablo game.
They should have kept 3's aesthetic for 4. Vibrant and the colors POPPED.
Disagree, D3 bad doesn't mean D4 is good, D4 is just reduction in saturation, Diablo should look like PoE, dark but vivid
Your post proves his point. Top looks way better than bottom.
3 had sovl, 4 looks like a unity asset flip
3 had absolutely no soul and was designed by hacks who didnt even understand arpgs.
idgi
your post literally proves his point?
You just like the grass.
dilate troony
no need to share your itinerary
bring dich um du hurensohn
I remember kids in highschool thinking they were cool because they looked up german phrases.
it made them look hella gay
bring dich um du dummer hurensohn
are you a bot
MUY GRANDE ESPINA ANFILADA !
Why is the part under the skill icons transparent in D4? That and the floating globes look so gay.
Because unlike Diablo 3, Diablo 4 is really a console game
D4 looks like a Korean game
I wish
why didn't you actually go to Alcarnus so you can show an almost 1 to 1 comparison shot?
D4 is an absolutely amazing looking game, people that say differently either haven't played the game or are intentionally lying
i didn't wait around until dusk or dawn because i couldn't be bothered
your comparison shot proves his point
no it doesn't
the textures are far better, the color matches what Diablo should be, the lighting is truly amazing when you pay attention to it
there are little details like footprints and puffs in the sand as you move, or wading through heavy snow. long grasses sway towards a portal if you open one and it dynamically lights whatever area you're in
certain free cosmetic unlocks like the crown i'm using also dynamically light the environment
it's a beautiful game
COPE
looks bland
what are those random pits and spikes anyway? looks like ai generated mobileshit. yawn.
they're a 1 to 1 reference to that exact location in D3 you ignorant homosexual
where do you see those in the d3 image?
it's a little further on, in the lair of the witch at the end of alcarnus in D3 where you fight the boss
go and find any of the probably millions of pics online if you want a d3 comparison
Has the same vibe as Diablo 2. D4 may be utter shit due to monetization or something else, but I wonder if people will complain about its graphics/art direction.
D3 should've never went the warcraft 3 route.
What the frick is wrong with the zoom levels of this game it feels claustrophobic
Go back.
I miss Blini
Guys guys. Diablo has always sucked and will always appeal to children who get mad when you badmouth a multimillion dollar company.
You should know this by now.
3 wasn't good either.
I'm allowed to like 3 now.
>b-but it doesn't look dark and scurry and moody and-
Don't care. Didn't ask. Don't @ me.
d3 is trash
It's unironically the best in the series. Cope sub-70 IQ midwit.
only if you have the lowest standards and are also moronic
>cope
lol
>no argument.
I accept your concession stand.
you had no argument, therefore I don't need any
>c-concession
I see you're using the hottest meme of the month
You just want to argue standards and can't put up. Show me that ebin 3x3 then lad. I gotta see this.
I mean even d3 has more options than d4
lmao
>dust devils
is now a legendary affix
>hurricane
pretty sure that's a legendary affix too
>blood funnel
wow, now my ww is red and gives me hp!
>wind shear
similar effects exist in gear and paragon board
>volcanic eruption
wow, more damage!
yeah bro d3 sure is deep lmao
There's some moron on here who keeps trying to convince people that Diablo III didn't have build customization, when it arguably has the most customization of any ARPG. Every rune drastically changes how each skill operates, and every skill has five runes.
>Every rune drastically changes how each skill operates
400% extra damage "drastically changes" how WW works? Lmao, ok bro.
According to
those don't count as different builds.
>Have five choices for every skill
>Versus having two choices of skill, and nothing else
Also both of those posts were made by me.
D3 was explicitly designed so that every skill and rune combination works. That is how they sold it during development, "there are as many builds as combinations"
The problem with that is it is not how builds work. Builds are based on synergies were abilities work together and D3 had none of that because they made it so everything can work with everything.
This is why they added the whole legendary affixes and sets defining builds system.
Did you even play the game?
There is a specific rune you need to use for each skill for each build. That's a major thing that pissed me off, I thought you could move the elemental damage around for variety, but you get soft locked out of higher rifts if you don't use the right runes
d3 was more about using one or two sets and having high trifecta pieces, it wasnt really any more than d4 is right now
D3 skill system was cool.
AH was not inherently bad. Most complainers were just autistic traders who want to rip off noobs with barter system like they did in D2. they got their monkey paw by blizzard taking out AH and killing trading entirely because blizzard is autistic about shutting down real money sites (a problem only 10% of people actually cared about, people who played the game normally didnt care what some people in other peoples worlds were doing)
Loot drops werent even that bad in D3, inferno was just over tuned.
Itemization was bad.
Rifts are dumb endgame.
The art style was bad
The story was bad
The story presentation was bad.
The enemy scaling was bad.
Overall the game was bad even though it improved on D2s skill system.
This is not a matter of opinion, these are objective facts. D3 losers can cope and seethe. D2 trader autists can also seethe, your b***hing made blizzard make D3 trading scene even worse, good job. D4 skill system is inferior to D3 but combat is overall better because of better tuned enemies. People complaining they ant press a button to instantly see twenty 6 digit numbers on their screen and kill everything are mentally ill.
you're welcome for enlightening you, homosexuals.
kys you subhuman troony
d2 is cancer and so are you
>subhuman
Your reading comprehension is a good indicator of that comment being projection.
dumb monkey
>Rifts are amazing bad.
>The art style was bad
>The story was bad
>The story presentation was bad.
You're a funny guy. I'm sure somebody will fall for it.
rifts are for moronic homosexuals who think progression means getting to a higher greater rift without 0 chance for failure. and no, moron I don't mean they'll never fail a rift I mean there is 0 risk in pushing rifts which guarantees greater rewards. rifts are cancer unless you actually play hardcore.
and the story? nephalem is awful for diablo. before everyone were just normal ass people, now they're all the children of angels and demons and literally super beings
story presentation was also bad, the expansion with adventure mode proves that
art style is literally subjective. although I can't agree with the gay ass areas they added with unicorns and rainbows
>RMAH not inherently bad
D3 skill system was cool.
AH was not inherently bad. Most complainers were just autistic traders who want to rip off noobs with barter system like they did in D2. they got their monkey paw by blizzard taking out AH and killing trading entirely because blizzard is autistic about shutting down real money sites (a problem only 10% of people actually cared about, people who played the game normally didnt care what some people in other peoples worlds were doing)
Loot drops werent even that bad in D3, inferno was just over tuned.
Itemization was bad.
Rifts are amazing endgame.
The art style was awesome
The story was dank
The story presentation was dope.
The enemy scaling was ok.
Overall the game was cool even though it improved on D2s skill system.
This is not a matter of opinion, these are objective facts. D2 losers can cope and seethe. D2 trader autists can also seethe, your b***hing made blizzard make D3 trading scene even worse, good job. D4 skill system is inferior to D3 but combat is overall better because of better tuned enemies. People complaining they ant press a button to instantly see twenty 6 digit numbers on their screen and kill everything are mentally ill.
you're welcome for enlightening you, homosexuals.
you don't get to rewrite history just because you posted doge memes little guy
I get that you were 11 years old at the time and your memory is fuzzy, but half of the shit you made up won't even fly on blizzard forums
Cry moar.
>won't even fly on blizzard forums
lol.
every single thing i posted was a fact. I played D2 a lot back in the day and closely followed D3 development and talked on the forums before and after release. the forums werent useable after release btw, everyone was b***hing about how shit of a game it was. worst player reception for an AAA game i have ever seen.
fr man ong no cap
damn dog, you must be actually moronic. You clearly don't know what defines a fact.
name 1 thing that is wrong or an opinion
>Rifts are amazing endgame.
>The art style was awesome
>The story was dank
>The story presentation was dope.
You're a funny guy. I'm sure somebody will fall for it.
bad
bad
bad
>D3 skill system was cool.
>AH was not inherently bad. Most complainers were just autistic traders who want to rip off noobs with barter system like they did in D2. they got their monkey paw by blizzard taking out AH and killing trading entirely because blizzard is autistic about shutting down real money sites (a problem only 10% of people actually cared about, people who played the game normally didnt care what some people in other peoples worlds were doing)
>Loot drops werent even that bad in D3, inferno was just over tuned.
>Itemization was bad.
>Rifts are bad
>The art style was bad
>The story was bad
>The story presentation was bad
>The enemy scaling was bad
>Overall the game was Bad even though it improved on D2s skill system.
>This is not a matter of opinion, these are objective facts. D2 losers can cope and seethe. D2 trader autists can also seethe, your b***hing made blizzard make D3 trading scene even worse, good job. D4 skill system is inferior to D3 but combat is overall better because of better tuned enemies. People complaining they ant press a button to instantly see twenty 6 digit numbers on their screen and kill everything are mentally ill.
>you're welcome for enlightening you, homosexuals.
>Instead of trading items with players you can now trade items for gold in the AH!
>Players inflate the price of items to the tens of millions
>In a game where you barely get gold to begin with
I love how you leave out the part where to combat those sites blizzard started to sell gold themselves but it didn't solve the inflated prices on the AH. Getting rid of trade was the dumbest fricking thing they ever did.
>AH was not inherently bad
AH was inherently horrendous since the entire loot drop ""balance"" was built around people not actually finding any gear they can use so they can be funneled into using the AH as the only actual way to get upgrades. It was fricking terrible beyond belief.
this isnt even true. you got memed on and are just regurgitating what morons said
>The story was dank
>The story presentation was dope.
The story is complete garbage, i'm usually the guy who listen to every single dialogue of the npc's and in this game i started skipping them at around mid-act 1
The writing is so bad, and the settings are often copy pasted (and not in a subtle way) from another game/movie (like the tree is basically the bog lady from witcher, many such cases in this game). Inarius and the religious people are writen to be literal morons on purpose so that we feel like lilith as a good point or watever, most of the characters that we follow are insufferable to the point where they make wirt from D1 feel like a 200IQ character.
Mephisto is the only decent character i can remember. I could write an essay at how bad and marvel-tier the story of D4 is.
>The art style was awesome
nah dude. D4 art style is so much better
>The art style was awesome
you die now, WoW troony
>Dust Devil
Affix
>Hurricane
Affix
>Blood Funnel
kek
>Wind Shear
literally a skill in the game
>Volcanic Eruption
thats missing
D4 added this to WW
Unique gloves that make WW explode when you stop based on the damage you've done
There might be more but I don't play WW
you guys love to pretend there isn't one cookie cutter build that's better than the rest which makes both options pointless
>hurr there's a best build why make any alternatives
Have you ever played a videogame before?
>I'm allowed to like 3 now.
Don't care. Didn't ask.
Reminder that multiple necromancer minion stats DO NOT WORK right now.
>how good 3 actually was
3 was never good. It improved with RoS, but it was just less shitty
4 is fine, Blizzard is doing a decent job this time, mainly because they are not doing 3 again.
>4 is fine
have you ever played ANY Diablo game before?
took us 6 years to get to this phenomenal game design!
>can tell even when barely visible these are also copied
>Blizzard is doing a decent job this time,
This sums up my opinion on Blizzard fans really well. Yeah I know, "CORPORATION BAD", but has Ganker been infiltrated that hard?
But they're both the same, they're both trash.
3 will never be a good game. 4 is already better and its still shit. Morons complaining baout their OP build being nerfed is moronic, especially when respects are almost free. the whole D3/4 build system where items make the build by buffing one skill by 1000% is moronic anyways.
Looking in these threads really makes me realize that nobody on this shithole actually plays fricking games
jesus frick some of these opinions are moronic
lol
87 is pretty good though.
yea it's great and not at all by moronic journos
same journos that gave the most broken and unfinished game diablo 3 an 88
How in the actual frick did D4 manage to get a worse score than D3? Did Blizzard not pay enough?
Same reason why D3 has the same score as D2.
D3 is better anon, D4 didnt last 1 week on twitch, no one important is playing it, and that is something the new gamers look into
It currently has 171k viewers.
Yep and one of the top streamers right now is an onlyfans girl showing as much cleavage as possible
nice
Looks about right.
D1 is king
and always will be at this rate
honestly I'm shocked that d4's journo score is that low. guess they didn't bribe them enough with free shit
Did blizzard manage to collectively wipe every customer's memory for this release? How are people convinced that D2 has low mob density? Cow level is ridiculous and everyone knows it. I've never seen any arpg with fewer mobs than D4
>any diablo after 2
>good
LEL
D2 is laden with flaws, sure, but holy shit thinking d3 is a better game, what woodwork have you cretins crawled out from.
I honestly dont think any players come on the internet to pretend D3 wasnt shit. I honestly believe it is blizzard employees who worked on the game and dont understand how they fricked it up.
I honestly dont think any players come on the internet to pretend D2 wasnt shit. I honestly believe it is blizzard north employees who worked on the game and dont understand how they fricked it up.
>heh i got him by rewriting his comment as if its against that game that i personally dont like
pathetic
Get owned sonny.
D2 > D1 > D4 > dog poop > D3
why do you have that saved
hes a D3 fan
D2ards gettin scared because a 3chad uprising is gonna happen.
I'm a reformed PoE mazie and I desperately need am aRPG that will let me make cool builds without absolutely consuming the rest of my free time because I genuinely despise trading. Do they even exist anymore? How is D4 in comparison, is it worth it? $70 is a lot, but its still chump change compared to what I spent on PoE over the years.
I played Grim Dawn and its my favorite aRPg, but Ive already sunk 1,500 hours into it and I'm okay with letting it rest. I bounced off Last Epoch, unfortunately.
I just wanna have fun again.
D3 is 20 bucks on the Switch right now and it's worth every penny, unlike this D4 grindfest you can get to level 70 in D3 in just a few hours and start having a ton of fun instantly with the seasonal content, you'll love it.
Ignore what the D3 haters have to say it is leagues better than D4 in terms of fun factor, almost every build is viable and the switch version does not have Always Online gaygetory meaning you get to play whenever you want with full offline functionality including the ability to pause game.
>omg we gave everyone a dodgeroll
consoleBlack folk are cancer
no u
oh and I forgot to mention it also includes d2 resurrection as well
What the frick? $20 for two full games when the Eternal Collection for D3 alone is $40. Absolute fricking shekelsteins.
I opened up someone's video of them grinding away at WT3 dungeons
It took them 3 fricking hours to go from 61 to 61.5
shut the frick up. This game has a dogshit leveling experience
you could reasonably hit 75-80 in D2R without grinding once, just on the journey through hell
>3
>good
OLD GAME GOOD NEW GAME BAD
i've never played diablo before but i picked 4 up and it's alright i guess
bit pissed off i can't have an ultimate skill though because there is lmao only 4 skill slots and i need 3 for shouts and 1 for rupture
>how fun 3 was
i almost slept mid game because of how boring it was
once i finished the campaign i never wanted to go back
the only good thing about d3 was the chaos of the first 3 months of launch and people making tons of cash off the real money auction house also sorc in d3 was hot as frick
4 being trash does not make 3 suddenly good.
No, it was already good.
RoS D3 and onward was kino.
We can only hope D4 gets to that point. It's a sorr state at the moment. Post-campaign.
All Diablo games suck, they should have made a western answer to Dark Souls like they initially set out to do instead of recycling recycling this shitty 1998 gameplay.
Yep, I agree. Zased.
Do you guys think there's something a little inherently sad about a developer working for nearly 10 years on a game, probably through the best years of his life, just for that game to be made to appeal entirely to people who play like 4 hours a week and will largely have entirely forgotten the game even existed in like 3-4 years?
Frick that loser
Do you have any facts to back that up?
Nah, he's getting paid to do what he's told. It's no different than any other job.
That looks like dogshit
Is there any, ANY, ARPG where its more like you vs 1-a few enemies instead of giant clusterfricks?
alaloth
You, you are a gem.
Blizzard has an awful balance philosophy. It was only tolerable when they made decent games and kept their politics largely out of their games. Now? They make mediocre games that cram troony shit down your throat and just "rotate the meta" guaranteeing that if you're having fun, at some point they'll break something on your end and make your character miserable, while allowing someone else to have fun until they break them...The end result? Why the frick would a company do this? Because it forces you to make more characters and spend more time in game buying more cosmetics and other stupid shit. It's all predatory bullshit.
What i got from you is that Diablo 4 is woke trash and it's no fun
I agree
Oh nononononono Diablo 2 sisters they are making fun of us again
>if you're bored doing something insanely boring, try doing something even more boring
Diablo really is the bottom of the barrel in gaming.
It was still faster to do baal than it is to do any of the end game activities in 4 that drop worthwhile loot
Damn, even the redditors are making fun of D2
Redditors are bottom-tier trash. Ganker isn't much better, but the consensus is that Diablo 2 is the best Diablo, and in terms of atmosphere Diablo 1 did it even better
Only r*ddit0rs care about a consensus.
Well, they've got the wrong consensus. Diablo 2 is better and they're trying to change the consensus just like they got every idiot to believe Majora's Mask was better than OoT
Hope it works then if it makes you mad.
That's all you want? You don't want to be right? You just want to make people mad?
Yep. Frick D2ards.
>even the redditors
sounds like you've found where you belong
>Add three zero's to every number
>AWOOGA
yes making moronicly busted builds with insane synergy is fun. this is why i like PoE more than what i played in the diablo beta then again i played druid the whole time...
Blizzard really hates druids, they never give them any cool shit that is straight up better than what the other classes have. It's always some kind of variation that ends up being worse because it's 'le jack of all trades class'.
Frick blizzard.
Why do I feel like nothing i'm doing even matters in D4
>level up
>get a skill point
>either forced to spend it on shit i don't want or i get some 1% upgrade to bullshit
whereas i can boot up PoE and like 10 levels in i'm already having a fricking blast building my character
Should I play diablo 4 if I've never played a hack and slash
this isn't even a hack a slash, so go for it
whats fun is earning cosmetics and not paying $20 a pop
Diablo 3 was fun. 4 is not. Simple as.
I need a Paladin. I'm struggling to want to continue the grind to max without a Paladin. I want a hero character.
3 was never bad. Sure, 2 is a classic and has more depth, but 3 is more immediately playable and fun. 4 is just tedious and feels like work. 2 and 3 are both more fast paced and enjoyable.
3 is awful and either too easy if you play it on regular difficulty or too tedious as enemies become damage sponges on harder difficulties. I didnt even feel in danger for the first few acts because enemies didnt do any damage. it was just one terrible story sequence after another with terrible combat mixed it. THe devs should have had all their asset siezed and been banished to australia for their abysmal performance. it was a total shit game with no substance.
This middle ground shit doesn't work. You're not gonna go winning favor of D2ards by helping prop their game up.
One's good and the other is shit.
2 and 3 are both good. Anyone who says otherwise is being an unreasonable moron.
Yeah well D2ards are unreasonable.
D2 is shit
>big numbers = fun xD
AZNs ruined video games
3 was actually pretty great at the end. It was not great in the beginning.
3 at launch was a lot better than 4 currently is though.
Thought people would wake up to Blizard's horrible ~~*antics*~~ by now. Got me a bit crestfallen that people are in a forever loop of just being moronic consumers. It's everywhere.
How come every new Blizzard game is
>fastest selling pc game ever
>most unit sold in first hours ever
>highest earning blizzard game ever
but then when quarterly shareholders report is published every time it says that
>monthly active users are down
>income is down
>there are layoffs
>projects are cancelled
Something doesn't add up here
They're bullshitting so the boomer investors don't bail. Blizzard has been in a death spiral for a long time.
>arpgtards being numberBlack folk again
please tell us about how fire is hot next op
anyone here saying diablo 3 was good is a fricking gay
3 was fun and I'm tired of pretending otherwise. 4 is neutered in comparison.
Diablo 3 was good
I hope you guys REALLY like grinding Renown every season since they seem dead set on making you do all this from scratch every reset.
I'm just really glad that I'm not playing this game at all.
It's also funny seeing people that do and how they justify it to themselves. It reminds me of this guy I know, everyone knew he was gay because he behaved like a girl and yet he claimed he was a straight man. The mental gymnastics he went through to keep his delusions up was admirable, just like Diablo 4 players claiming it's a good game.
same
best part about it is a saved myself like 80$ by skipping
This would have been really fun as a collectathon if it had been bound to your account. All the stat boosts and pick ups just carry over on all characters.
I heard that was what the Lilith statues were, so did they go back on that?
It is pretty crazy that they keep removing density which is the only reason to play an ARPG.
Dungeons feel fricking empty, and the ones that don't are being nerfed until they are empty.
It honestly feels like they are mad people are reaching level 100 within a week of release. So they'd rather nuke the game.
That's always been a problem with blizzard though, they become petulant when players understand their games better than they do.
>d2 bad because it's just baal runs
>d4 good because it's lots of shit dungeons
I'd rather run one good dungeon 10000 times than run 10000 shitty dungeons one time. I just want high mob density so I can roll the dice as much as possible in the shortest amount of time.
>I just want high mob density so I can roll the dice as much as possible in the shortest amount of time.
So you literally want rift running......from Diablo 3........which you conveniently left out......
they patched d2r, its not about baal runs anymore
>d2
>build varity is based on items. You can have 100's of different builds on a base skill tree.
>gindy as frick with killing the same bosses over and over again.
>d3
>items become more standardized and class based.
>reduced builds and everything becomes cookie cutter with millions of dmg output
>tried to move away with the boss grind.
>D4
>kept the same shitty shitty d3 itemization and tried to add less grinding to the game
>added autism paragon board
>added shitty aspects that 100% make or break builds. Even to the point where your class is really unplayable if you dont have certain aspects
>build diversity is even less then d3.
How anyone would think D4 was good is beyond me. Everyone was just like LOOK ITS LESS CARTOONY THAT MEANS THEY'RE GOING BACK TO D2 EVERYTHING!!!!
tbh d4 is worth $30 max
make it 0$ and I still wouldnt play it. its filled wiith casuals and the gameplay looks ass
D3s skills were actual fun
Rogues abilities are dogshit as is this clunky butthole of a skill tree
PoEs gem system is far better than this even
>there are anons who have sunk low enough to pretend D3 was good
Ganker has fallen
The narrative for d3 always was it was fun but shallow
At least it was after people stopped sperging about the colourful aesthetic (which I had no issue with)
t. knows nothing about it past release
is d4 actually worse than diablo immortal?
I'm playing Grim Dawn 🙂
>there are anons who have buoyance high enough to know D3 was good
Ganker has arisen
i want to like arpgs because they seem fun in premise, but then you just hold your mouse button on enemies and that's the game
Diablo 2 wasn't exactly like this. It was much better. Part of the game, just like RE, was inventory management, which gave it a survival horror feel. Play Diablo 2. You won't be disappointed
>teleport past everything
>cast hammers
>teleport past everything
>cast hammers again
So deep and survival horror.
That's when you level up and actually get a good enough character to maintain the mana cost
Good thing it only takes a few hours to level to 80 and start farming right away. Do it every ladder reset with the boys.
hang on a minute you need to press 1 2 3 4 and occasionally Q too
Kind of true, but that’s basically shooters too
The issue is shallow arpgs like Diablo that don’t require any decision making turning the genre into a cookie clicker
I'd much rather have harder more methodical combat like Alaloth than ability spam garbage.
I don't like all these different systems that try to trick you into feeling like there's gameplay variety. You are doing the same thing for all of them, they just make you waste more of your time.
D4 gameplay effectively ends after world tier 3
>D4 gameplay effectively ends after world tier 3
So in WT4?
I would have argued it ended at level 50 since paragon boards hardly change the gameplay in anyway.
I'm trying to enjoy Diablo 4, and I'm level 55 Necromancer, but the game just loses direction at that point and turns into a pointless grind. I won't be here for the first Season I don't think, but I'm sure that will make it more fun competing and stuff. The game needs more direction after the Campaign, and instead of traveling to a Nightmare dungeon, you just need to have a Dungeon TP in the cities. Also, it needs to have a mercenary in single player because this game is just a single player game now. It's too annoying and open world with multiple people trying to keep on the same page. Also, it needs a Paladin class to keep me interested if these things are neglected.
As an addendum, I bet they will add these things in the expansion, just like they added mounts. They will add Mercenaries and the inevitable cosmetics
>the game just loses direction at that point and turns into a pointless grind
>The game needs more direction after the Campaign
Uhhh, the point is to grind more for better gear!?!?? You need to become stronger!!!
Anyway, ARPG post campaign content or "endgame" is literally just doing the same shit over and over again for bigger numbers and getting to max level. Some games try to have some shitty narrative point to explain why you're doing this shit, but it's more of an excuse than an actual story.
Problem is, D4 fundamentally fricked up because scaling means that matter how much you grind abd how big your numbers get, you'll always take just as long to kill an enemy as you did 10 levels before, possibly more if you didn't get better equipment.
Not really. When I entered Nightmare difficulty, my character has seen noticeable improvement in DPS. Before that it was unnoticeable.
You're a pip
Yeah well you're a umm.......nip.....
Aw hell yeah. Time for a reply chain.
You're speaking to the number 2 Crusader in the world!
Athene has you beat. He's #1.
>he grinded paragon points
3 was garbage, 4 is worse
>level up
>get weaker
????
Lol that is what it feels like doesn't it. There was a point from about level 15 to level 48 or so where my character felt weak as Hell, and then after the Capstone dungeon and Nightmare, my character just went insane
D3 was more fun, I really don't see how it's more "fun" to lock people into builds and make it so you can't just freely experiment with all the abilities your class has with no limits and then also making the overall game slower. It's going back to the D2/PoE and other shitty dull boring ARPG games like Titan Quest mentality of giving the player less options and punishing them for not min/maxing. Then people just say "I guess you don't like the genre" so maybe they're right, if that's how the genre is "supposed to be" then it's a dogshit boring genre.
Games that advertise "play how you want", boasting about build variety and viability, big skill trees and shit like that generally can't balance things for shit and end up with 2 meta builds and a 100 trash builds.
you can freely experiment you donkey brained moron. respecs are so cheap and gold is so easy to come by you can experiment all the frick you want. you just can’t have literally every power and stat boost at the same time
>how good 3
ow, damn, i almost give a frick about your opinion, cuck
being at the mercy of drops is frustrating. I had codex legendaries as druid and I felt like a God. Then I went to WT3 and found better sacred rares with higher item power and now things are slower. Level 57 btw
Anyway, I wish I could find a way to make the game more fun. As it is, it's pretty boring after the Campaign. You make your character marginally better after getting drops, but there's no real grind. There's too much variety. If you want to improve it, add Dungeon TPs in town after you use the chalice.
I really loved Diablo 2 when I first played it, just played it as a casual and didnt know anything about builds or meta or whatever stupid bullshit was going on.
Coming to the realization that Diablo-likes were autistic grindfests where the end game is you running around being untouchable clicking everywhere like a moron and doing infinity damage is where I realized this entire genre is fricking trash and no skill is involved. Its literally just looking up builds and grinding for gear. Gay
Why the frick is Diablo 3 still so expensive? It's $40 for the game with the expacs, which I assume add shit worth getting? Bunch of turbo israelites.
The average player kills 10 enemies per hour and dies in the process.
It's heartwarming, when compared to the minmaxing forums and reddit crying about mob density.
Imagine the game through the eyes of a casual or a newcomer.
That's what I was wondering, and there's no way to find a discount for the PC. A fricking ten year old game.
Deals GG acts like it drops to $20 every few months. I was going to set an alert for it, but they want me to login with Steam, which isn't happening. I guess I could pirate Grim Dawn. Isn't that the same shit?
I'm playing the latest GOG (pirated) version of Grim Dawn at the moment, and don't find it that fun; but I'm not an expert in the genre.
There's a server emulator for D3 called blizzless.
I think Diablo fans are some of the biggest victims of stockholme syndrome. You had a single good game and Blizzard exploits that nostalgia by releasing shit over and over and people keep getting tricked because it says Diablo.
They need better trading. It improved the community and made it more organic by simply being a game that was never intended to be worth real world money. It's a single player game now. They made a lot of mistakes and didn't learn enough from PoE. They made their money in a more scummy way by selling cosmetics and restricting trade.
>a single good game
I'm not the biggest fan of Diablo 1 but it's still a good game. D1 and D2 are the only good Diablos.
Like, will you ever see this game's players say griffs or enigma in local chat and other players know what it is instantly? Never will happen. Every item is a trash item. Completely valueless
They also made, on top of the bad itemization, a catered drop rate to each individual class, so if you play on one character, you'll never get to use an item you got for it on another one, which makes the stash almost useless. The game is just bad, man. I could go on about how shit it is and the more I think the more I dislike it
>crit damage
>vulnerable damage
>overpower damage
>stun damage
>slow damage
>cc damage
>near damage
>far damage
>undamaged damage
>damaged damage
>damage over time damage
>damage
itemization in this game is boring as frick, uniques are the only interesting loot
Yeah. The stats are bad and useless. They simplified them for babby morons
I am playing 2 right now and I don't know, it's boring?
I am in the last quest of the first chapter on lvl 16 and not feeling it.
I always heard how hard this game is but honestly, it is extremely like 3, I remember stoped playing because how easy and boring it was. 2 is nut the same shit?
>D3 is shit on for years by basically everyone outside a select few contrarians
>now that D4 is a thing D3 "fans" suddenly appear out of thin air to act like 3 was "actually always good"
Also, D4 takes a shit on my PC's processor and sometimes it will be laggy to the point of needing to be restarted and then it eases up. Also, setting background FPS to above 60 helped some as well.
D3 RoS was an awesome game and everyone who disagrees are people who played vanilla d3. RoS mogs d4 in every way, objectively. Especially since all the endgame grinds are the same, nightmare dungeons are GRs, helltides and treeshit are bounties, it's quite literally the exact same gameplay options but with annoying janky mounts and less build variety.
NO REFUNDS
3 was never good
It's incredible how such a shit genre of games will spawn so many people that hope and wish that this iteration will somehow not be shit and then are shocked when, ultimately, it is in fact dogshit again.
>level up five times
>find no good gear
>enemies now take 3x as long to kill
bravo, bravo. simply amazing
Never should have had leveling up monsters. A good way to have done it would have been to make monsters of each area a certain level like it apparently seems to be sometimes. They shouldn't scale to your level. If you do Act 1 they should be max 20 or whatever, and then to access Act 2, you should have to access it through the quests, not just have the ability to go to the next Act without completing the 1st one.
>d4 monkeys are on a psyop to make people think d2 is more repetitive than their shit slop
You have like 15 different areas to farm in D2 and they have different immunities/layouts to be good for different builds. Also mob density is good so it's fun. No idea how running the same dungeon made out 5 rooms stitched together, with 20 mobs living in it in total, is better
I played 3 on launch, beat the main campaign which felt short as frick and saw you had to spend real money on the auction house.
I quit.
Did the game get better or is this some serious rose tinted goggles shit?
My Shadowblight Necromancer. It absolutely melts everything. I don't know if there's a build guide and there probably is, but you use Howl From Below to send your Corpse Explosions foward, as well as Blighted Corpse Explosion, so everything in front of you gets melted with DoT
I had no idea that Lost Ark had necromancers
D4 is my first diablo and I'm having fun. Seethe.
3 sucked
The people on Metacritic honestly have the right ideas. The loot is boring because it's BiS almost every time. Every drop is not RNG. It's cultivated for your account at the time that it drops. There's no sense that you got something valuable because every drop is just an improvement to one character. That's the way it is because they don't want to lose money to RWT. It's just the way it is. You can't do shit
It's just the PoE morons coming over to Diablo 4 now that they see all their friends playing it. Then they complain because it's not PoE.
Frick em.
Who the frick play this trash games the only Guy i once knew Who played this diablo shit was à fat frick moronic we called him uncle fester..
Did they add some some fricking matchmaking/partyfinder/dungeonfinder/lobby/ANYTHING yet?
there's been like 1 buff to an ability and everything else they've done has just been nerfs
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>D3 crowd after 12 years of the mess they call a game FINALLY have a chance to call another game bad
LMAO
>make it like D3 but with way better graphics
>OP thinks this somehow makes D3 good, but D4 not good
Okay then. Nothing wrong with that picture.