>kept saying for years that P3 is the best Persona
>playing P3R
>it's mid af
>nostalgia lied to me
P3 bros... we ain't surviving the fraud allegations...
>kept saying for years that P3 is the best Persona. >playing P3R. >it's mid af. >nostalgia lied to me
Op is a massive homosexual. As they say.
as who says
Junpei probably, that's where Aigis gets all her sayings from.
Aigis you shouldn't use that kind of language
still mogs 5shit
not in any way shape or form does it come close to 5.
>not in any way shape or form does it come close to 5.
You are right, 5 is so bottom of the barrel it will never come close to 3's kino story.
>The pun guy is evil because... he is evil
>Junpei talks to a girl 3 times and the game REALLY wants you to care about this B-plot
>Strega being Strega
>Ken being an obnoxious moron
>Aigis's existence makes 0 sense and is never elaborated upon
>Talking dogs apparently
Great storytelling.
Im at October and the story is so bad Im tempted to drop the game.
The Ken-Aragaki "twist" was pants on heads moronic, and so was that everyone kept going to school afterwards as normal.
I guess there was a suicide alegory down there plus usual asian autism but that doesnt excuse terrible plot building
I'm that anon you're responding to and I can verify that the game is worth finishing just to see the final boss and ending. the rest of the story is complete dogshit but this game has an ending that rivals Royal's and an absolutely kino final boss. This is the thing that P3gays remember the most (and possibly the only thing that they remember) because it's so memorable that you can't help but think about it for days on end.
It might be the only time the story is worth a shit in a almost 80h hours game then.
P5 story wasnt good by any means but the tone was consistent at least (goofy and dumb, but consistent).
P3 shoehorns cheesy dramatic twists in the middle of nothing (no plot, no worldbuilding, paper thin character development) and I cant take them seriously
>shoehorns cheesy dramatic twists
P5 absolutely does this as well
Also did you play Reload or the original
>P5 does this as well
explain
off the top of my head Goro being evil, Ryuji and Morgana fakeout deaths within an hour of each other
if you thought Goro was shoehorned and not blatantly foreshadowed all throughout the game, then you might have brain damage anon.
okay then disregard that
another example I just thought of is Igor being fake Igor
<spoiler>Fake Igor</spoiler> was also foreshadowed from the very first thing he says to you. "Welcome to my Velvet Room" vs "Welcome to the Velvet Room".
I didn't catch that good eye, but the very different VA makes it apparent too.
Not really. The Japanese VA died, so him being replaced wouldn't be a surprise; and in English even the real Igor had a different voice actor from 3 and 4. But the fact that they got a VA with much deeper voice was a clue I guess.
Ah, I didn't know that the JP VA died. But yes, what I meant was the much deeper voice.
Another clue maybe, but of the Hashino games, it is the only Velvet room that is not taking you anywhere. In the opposite fashion, it locks you in place in a cell.
P3 has you riding up an elevator to your final destination and P4 a limousine that drives forward.
P5 was nothing but cheesy dramatic twists after kamoshida
with no character development at all (outside of morgana's temper tantrum I guess)
at least P3 has a great final stretch
>complaining about b-plots while defending Persona 5
Everything in that game after Kamoshida is a b-plot
>The pun guy is evil because... he is evil
So like Kandori and most Persona villain
>Junpei talks to a girl 3 times and the game REALLY wants you to care about this B-plot
Junpei is the child of a abusive father , of course the first girl that listen to him and don't tell him to frick off like Yukari will made him fall in love
>Strega being Strega
So like NWO and Palace owners?
>Ken being an obnoxious moron
Is a child with suicide toughs that nobody believe him what happened to his mother, if anything they should send him to therapy(and more after the answer)
>Aigis's existence makes 0 sense and is never elaborated upon
Dude, is a franchise were rumors became truth and Kirijo Family is just a branch from Nanjo , they have money and info to made any shit into reality
>Talking dogs apparently
He doesn't?
Every single palace after Madarame basically proves you wrong.
Kaneshiro's, Futaba's and Sae's palaces are good, what are you talking about?
Forgot Okumura, though that boss fight was little frustrating at first.
Basically every palace is good and has a better reason to exist or progress the story than most arcs in the earlier games
The only one I think has a shaky premise is Madarame's time limit. Otherwise though that arc still has a clear cause and effect and reason to happen
I'd say Okumura's palace's premise is also pretty shaky. Yes, the party is blindly jumping at an opportunity to change a heart, but the time limit being the deadline before Haru gets married involves the party the least (barring Haru who just joined) and has the lowest stakes.
>kamoshida threatens joker and ryuji with expulsion
>madarame will press the group for legal charges once the art exhibit is over
>the party thinks medjed is going to cause irreparable damage to society if they don't get futaba's help or reveal their identities
>the red tape blocking sae's investigation on the phantom thieves will be lifted
>election day
>maruki is going to master his control over the metaverse and his ability to actualize will be irreversible at that point
I'd actually argue the opposite and that it's one of the situations that has the most to do with the party because Okumura redeeming his marriage coupon is something that they trigger by poking around in his head with his daughter.
And in terms of premise, Haru's engagement is contractual so there being a time gap is natural, unlike Madarame's where he basically is just not reporting you to the police until he feels like it
Shhhhhh we need to parrot our stupid narrative.
If this guy was not he would frick 24/7
Big if true
One of my friends (persona 5 fan) said this exact shit. I feel bad for him , really. He played the shittiest reboot.
Persona 3's characters aren't even good. I don't know where all the dick-riding came from
you shut your prostitute mouth
He says posting the one of the only good character (besides Koromaru)
Nobody asks you Fuuka, stfu.
pit bawd
pit FRICKING prostitute
>Persona 3's characters aren't even good
Never got that but then again I felt that is more because they wanted male SL like Persona 4 or they are oldsona fans
Anon, the first trilogy is not even called smt, is something that happened to P3 and4 in the West because Nocturne was more popular at that time.
Just look at the japanese version of PS1 persona, I think It was called megami ibukuru: Persona or some shit
>Persona 3's characters aren't even good.
Better than 5's one dimensional characters
most people play it when they were 13 and massive otakus so they legitimately thought the game was "deep".
Thats because they literally lost their personalitys and are now voiced by black people. Play P3P instead, pure soul
Persona ended with 1. 1 is the only Persona that isn't total fricking shit. no shitty dating/friend sim elements and just a straight up proper JRPG. also 1's artstyle is the best
and by 1 I mean SMT Persona, NOT Revelations Persona
Good personality anon
>SMT Persona
No such game exists, the first is just called persona
Ackchyually it's Megami Ibunroku Persona
That's cool post your save file of P1.
>be homosexual OP
>notice CURRENT THING happened on Ganker's Ganker - The Vidya
>make random inflammatory comment on CURRENT THING
>go back to sucking donkey wieners for 2 hours
I think you are moronic. Anyone that has played Persona 3 multiple times, knows its limits.
Tartarus was excruciatingly boring in Persona 3 and FES. This version adds enough improvements to make it tolerable, especially after Fuuka joins, so you can scan the completed floors for Treasure Hands and decide if you want to immediately skip to the next floor.
fax
There's nothing more pathetic than review/salesgays. Actual herd mentality.
>nothing more pathetic
There is. People who post Steam playercount stats.
Persona 5 just came at the right time, when western journos wanted a new game that doesn't look like a westernslop.
P5R came several years after that time
I'm having fun with the game itself but the story/characters are really bland and boring. It's obvious that they were just trying to nail down a new kind of template for a game and then 4 and 5 had an actual storylines with real characters.
>4 and 5 had an actual storylines with real characters.
You mean the villians in Royal that give each other boring exposition dumps about things they already know and are one dimensional as hell? That kind fo great character writing?
>4 and 5 had an actual storylines with real characters.
Real characters that stop being relevant once their arc is over
As opposed to 3 that dumps a small orphan child into your party with barely any fanfare but I guess joining with zero relevance is okay for some inane reason
I don't think they were phoning it out just to make a template, atlus' games simply weren't big on the story before p4
>no story until the last 3 months
>social links are 3-5 lines long
>frick all to do in the evenings
>dungeon is RNG hallways for 260+ floors
>bosses are just random monsters instead of cool shadow versions of people
No shit dude, it's the oldest "modern" Persona, ofc it's nowhere as refined as 4 and 5
>Remake game
>Learn nothing from any games made since then
>Not even newer versions of P3
>Make a completely "faithful" remake
I sure am glad Reload was a completely squandered opportunity where all that was added was baton pass, the privilege of being able to control your own party and a limit break system.
>the privilege of being able to control your own party
Wait, your party members were stuck in auto-act mode in the original game? Holy shit that sounds unplayable.
It's fine.
It’s not how it sounds. You can give them directions each turn and the enemy AI is designed around the limitation. And you end the game with a pretty big list of specific commands. More than you’ll need honestly.
It's fine in the modern titles too. I throw it on act freely every once in a while. Check it out next time you go for a replay, it's pretty entertaining and makes the navigator lines mean a bit more. Plus the whole theme of the series of strength from trust in friends. First video I found of it in p5r to show you what I mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sllZcRXVT8
Works well in P3R too. They make dumb decisions sometimes, but the game is easy enough anyways if you've played megaten before, even on merciless. The Junpei AI makes especially questionable decisions, and I can't decide if that is intentional design genius, or I'm overthinking it.
It was pretty funny at times
I wish the AI passed turns around.
It was fine, honestly. If you couldn't work around them you were just bad at the game.
Tartarus is basically Diablo 1 but above ground and I dare you to say that was a bad game. The fundamental mechanics of tartarus vs the shadow world are negligible, it's only the decorations that really change. P5 is the first one to actually really change the layout in a meaningful way.
I'd rather something like Reload over FF7 Rebirth.
>No shit dude, it's the oldest "modern" Persona, ofc it's nowhere as refined as 4
Except 4 has all these problems, if not worse, specially in the story department. You already discover almost everything there's to be known about that game's story barely halfway through, and then after that it's just mindless repetition of the same thing until the latter part of the game, where you discover the killer and then fight a random god out of nowhere. That's it. The bosses are better, but slightly, the dungeons are less interesting than Tartarus in P3R, mechanically speaking.
>Except 4 has all these problems
No it fricking doesn't
This is all that really needs to be said. It’s my second persona game after never finishing royal and I’m enjoying it somewhat but this sums it up well.
well yeah I mean it came out in 2006 on the PS2 ffs
As a longtime fan of it I'm glad with how it was handled, it's basically what I wanted except for the cutscenes which piss me the frick off
I could go on about other things but I feel that's nitpicking a bit
P5 has incredibly bad pacing cause it peaks at start falls off hard during the whole middle game after madarame and then gets better again at very end. And somehow P4 is still worse game all things considered.
p4 should be approached with a total comfy-comedy lens imo, aka p4animation
its a more or less coming of age story with wacky teenages, wholly unserious (and not really smt-y), but i like it nevertheless since it does remind me fondly of the good old days
I'd like to clarify I don't think P4 is bad but its just my least favorite out of the bunch, I actually like it more than P1 which is a game I wouldn't really recommend for anyone.
p4 is a coming of age about coming to terms with yourself, and not hiding your true feelings (it just so happens that one of the characters true feelings is to be a psycho incel)
honestly i read the game as "balancing your life and not going for the extreme" after a while
>refusing your true feeling is bad aka Kanji can be proud of his sewing skill and pursue to craft
>but embracing it too much is also damn bad aka Adachi
>so be a responsible adult and balance it out aka Yukiko deciding to inherit the inn on her own term with her own control
I think thats what the game is actually, its just sorta muddled. I like p4's cast a lot so I can handle the theme not quite panning out as well.
>>no story until the last 3 months
False, you get each members introduction, Shadow and SEES mystery. It's pure build up and it can be annoying but it's there.
links are 3-5 lines long
Sometimes true, but not always. I like most SL in 3 but yeah, they made them slightly better in 4-5.
>frick all to do in the evenings
Correct, an actual negative.
>dungeon is RNG hallways for 260+ floors
Correct, some people claim that it's to mimmick the tedium of everyday life but that's cope to me. If Reload had an opportunity to redo something this should be it.
are just random monsters instead of cool shadow versions of people
Not a bad thing, I remember some of these frickers more than the bosses of P4-5.
>Shadow and SEES mystery
I would like the story of this game more if you couldn't just take almost everything that happens in it out and arrive at the same ending. The story revolves around the main character to such a comical degree that you don't even need any of the game's villains to arrive at the fight with Nyx.
The only characters you actually need are the MC, Aigis, someone to explain what to do and turn Aigis on (Mitsuru or her father), Fuuka (only because the narrative calls for a navigator that can detect Shadows outside Tartarus) and Ryoji. Even the way P3's written now just highlights how unimportant most of the persona users are with that minor point about how Mitsuru and Co got absolutely nowhere in exploring the tower
All Persona games are generic weebshit, but 3 has cool characters. 5 has style but nothing else. Pick your poison
Kamoshida and his palace single handly mogs every P3 arc / character
P5R has more depth to it
None of them have depth, you're just arguing that your shit tastes better because you like the corn it has in it.
>xenoblade
Like clockwork. Acquire taste
this homie is a zelda gay falseflag. he doesnt care about perona
Kamoshida is the only good one.
>kamoshida is a corrupt high school teacher which makes sense as a villain as youre a hs student
>is constantly being an butthole towards the main characters
>harasses a student you know so badly she tries to kill herself
>second villain is some super famous artist who you barely know or interact with
how the frick did this happen
apparently they're all based off of real people, so maybe that shit just hit differently if you're japanese. in either case the last palace is shrimply kino
>Kamoshida and his palace single handly mogs every P3 arc
I dont know anything about P3 and Kamoshida's palace was great but the arc is stupid:
Why did Ann get into the car with Kamoshida?
Why did Kamoshida offer you a ride too?
Why does Shiho give a shit about starting in girls volleyball?
Why does Ann give a shit that her friend starts in girls volleyball?
Why does Joker look down on Kamoshida when he blackmails his teacher in the same way? Actually his blackmail: "teacher works in adult industry" is valid blackmail material where "not starting (or friend not starting) in girls volleyball" is ridiculous
Why does an Kamoshida need to blackmail girls? Hes attractive, one of the tallest men in Japan, and an Olympic athlete. Also Shiho relative to other girls in the game is a basic b***h.
Why does Shiho attempt to commit suicide after Ann starts dating Kamoshida?
Japanese society is different yada yada, they would rather get molested on the train then cause a minor social disturbance.
P3's people die if they are dead is far superior to this
>muh Japanese society
You only say this because like every p3gay there's no world outside your basement. Saying that there's no basis anywhere else in the world for your future being dicated by your athletic career is possibly the dumbest shit I've ever heard in my life.
I need someone to translate what gibberish you just said
These are some of the dumbest takes imaginable tbqh but I know some peppe think this way unironically
>ad hominem
Explain your position or dont post at all.
>Joker blackmails Kawakami
The answer to all of these questions is "only someone with room temperature IQ would ask these questions"
>Why did Kamoshida offer you a ride too?
That did always seem odd to me tbh. I guess because they wanted you to think he was still an alright guy at that point (most you'd seen is him talking to Kawakami and offering the ride to Ann prior) and then you get his palace, and he threatens you at the school gate.
Tldr for that is that he still needs to keep up appearances for non team students
He has SOME control over the school, but not all of it
>Why did Ann get into the car with Kamoshida?
Probably doesn't want to cause a fuss or antagonise Kamoshida and damage Shiho's chances at the Volleyball team.
>Why did Kamoshida offer you a ride too?
Probably because he doesn't want to seem suspicious to either you or Ann since he's only at the early stages of grooming her.
>Why does Shiho give a shit about starting in girls volleyball?
Because she plays competitively and probably has dreams of pursuing a career doing so. She wants to actually play the game not warm the bench to make a name for herself and to get better at the sport.
>Why does Ann give a shit that her friend starts in girls volleyball?
Because she cares about her friend and wants to help her realise her dream.
>Why does Joker look down on Kamoshida when he blackmails his teacher in the same way?
Joker does not blackmail Kawakami.
>Why does an Kamoshida need to blackmail girls? Hes attractive, one of the tallest men in Japan, and an Olympic athlete.
Tbh this is probably the only reasonable point in the game. Kamoshida could probably get b***hes even high school b***hes if he wanted, but I guess the game has an idealistic view of women because one of the game's selling points is the choose your waifu stuff.
> Also Shiho relative to other girls in the game is a basic b***h.
Kamoshida's true target is Ann, but he wouldn't say no to Shiho either.
>Why does Shiho attempt to commit suicide after Ann starts dating Kamoshida?
That's... not what happened in Persona 5.
>Joker does not blackmail Kawakami.
Joker finds out Kawakami moonlights in an adult service job. Kawakami offers to be his personal maid to keep quiet about it. Call it whatever you want, him accepting is a pretty immoral thing to do. She would not offer freely the same thing if Joker didn't know about it.
>Kawakami offers to be his personal maid to keep quiet about it.
She does do that, but Joker doesn't accept the deal. When you do her social link he pays her for her job like any other client.
She did not offer anything freely dude
1 was actually good. 2 was digshit, and 3-5 are just moe weebshit
You are at most 16 and never played the game before now
>you have to be intelligent to appreciate this shounen anime plot
You will look back at this one day in disgust
"Adults are all sooooooo evil, teenagers in leather and masks are so coooooool when they steal hearts OMG."
Are you some gen omega child?
>falling for the bait
P5 is dead. Gone. Sent to the shadow realm. Trapped in the Disney Vault, as they say.
The only gripe I have with P3R is the price, Atlus are some greedy israelites
Like I said: acquire taste. Try playing a real man's game like one of the Trials games.
okie google only returns bike/racing games. whats the full name?
TRAILS not Trials you buffoon.
lmaaao ok I was planning to play the series
I heard you should start with the sky one? or skip to the steel ones
I don't like that I can't join the music or Kendo clubs. I don't like the new mass destruction or dorm theme. I don't like the new Nyx. I don't like the look of the dorm for most of the game. I don't like how much easier it is. Love everything else though.
Persona 3 has Aigis, so it's better by default. Sorry, I don't make the rules.
>P3 is the best Persona
>P3R is not good
No contradiction there. That aside you type like an insufferable homosexual.
I don't know if I'm trapped by nostalgia but P3 will always be the goat jrpg to me. It's right under Doom and Medieval 2 Total war for favourite game
Shame Reload exists just to try and ruin that nostalgia.
The lack of a Teddie or Morgana style character is enough to make p3 rise above the other Hashino games. Especially when those disney-drawn mofos are your navs for way too long and you have to listen to them, mute the game, or turn the language to Japanese so that you at least can't comprehend them anymore.
Aigis is still a similar archetype in that she has to find out what it means to be human yada yada yada, but it doesn't rub me the wrong way that those other two do. She doesn't feel as forced maybe, I dunno.
I know they won't (considering the owl in Soul Hackers 2 and what looks to be another in the Metaphor trailer), but I hope that Atlus stops including these things. If they want the mascot-type things for merch and advertising or w/e, they could add more demons along the lines of the Jack Bros to serve a similar purpose.
Aegis is just Sophia done worse.
stupidest post I've read all week
Mascot characters are just part and parcel of japanese media
>what looks to be another in the Metaphor trailer
The fairy looks more like UberPixie or her SMTV equivalent.
People shit on P3-5 but Nocturne hurt a lot more to megaten than those
Yeah the fairy girl in Metaphor seems to be both the mascot character and navigator, though I can't imagine they can do they "how do I human" stuff again when she's in a fantasy setting as is.
every persona game mid SMTV better
I'll be damned if you motherfrickers fool me again, I told you I liked SMTIV and Tokyo Mirage Sessions and you made me play that shit Persona 5 even tough it is barely a game.
I should sue all of you for false advertising.
>Tokyo
>and you made me play that shit Persona 5 even tough it is barely a game.
This, but with Persona 3.
>Explained all the reasons I didn't like P5 and what I liked
>Based anons recommended me SMTIII: Nocturne, SMTV and Tokyo Mirage Sessions
Loved those games. I started playing P3R, its not as restrictive as P5, but I still wouldn't recommend it to you. I might drop it too.
>P3 = P3R
moron
5 had such a shitty plot and main crew I never even tried golden, I just don't want to go through all that shit again
4 had a kind of shit main crew too but goddamn was it a comfy game, I wish that was the one they remade
>mfw P3 was my first Persona game yet it's my least favourite.
Yes I prefer 1 and Innocent Sin to it, deal with it.
>I am going to share a completely moronic opinion and provide no justification for it, DEAL WITH IT!
ok
>no justification
Tarturus is the most moronic dungeon idea put the gaming I've ever seen in a JRPG and anyone who defends it has no taste or has played anything else worthwhile to compare it to.
I could try to defend Tartarus on it's own merits because I don't actually think it's bad but
>anyone who defends it... has played anything else worthwhile to compare it to
Come on, you can't say that after mentioning Innocent Sin in your previous post. I like that game too but I'll take Tartarus any day over infinite braindead trial and error.
You are right anon.
>Dungeon crawlers are so torturous for people that something as quick and painless as Tartarus is too much
Pretty fricking please?
Persona games are complete ass compared to SMT
Is today opposite day? SMT is among the most shallow JRPG series ever created. All it is is combat and that's it.
>All it is is combat and that's it.
Yes, which is why its good
nah. I prefer supper to ingredients tyvm.
If you actually believed that and aren’t just a larping troony you would have shilled EO instead
I looked at footage of P3R and thought it looked too weeb, too gay.
So I've been playing through modded FES. I just got Koromaru on the team and have been having a decent amount of fun so far.
Biggest issue is that I'm almost maxed social stats and completed all the social links I could outside of school so I'm about to run out of stuff to do during the summer.
I also find it frustrating that you can't social link with multiple females at once and you are forced to date them. I didn't want to date the Justice arcana girl but was forced to so I could progress her social link and now I'm locked out of doing either Yukari (who I did want to date) or Strength until I max out Justice.
Swapping equipment is a hassle too, there's a mod to fix it but it's not working for some reason. Only other complaint is that there aren't that many personas to fuse for. I always end up finding the same ones each level range regardless of fusion combinations.
So far I'd say
4>3>>>5
>I looked at footage of P3R and thought it looked too weeb, too gay.
>So I've been playing through modded FES
This is the most moronic thing I've read today
Why? I'm just upscaling the textures and adding some QoL stuff.
I'm not blowing up the colour saturation to max, I'm not adding pseudo-homosexual drawings of the protag on every menu screen, I'm not turning tartarus into a hallway or lowering the difficulty to baby tier. I also didn't remove the scene where everyone is disgusted by the troony.
>Avoids a version of the game that addresses one of his complaints with the version of the game he is playing instead.
Congratulations, you played yourself.
I just care more about what it lost than I care about what it added
I don't believe you.
I'm being serious my man. I know about all the improvements that P3R has, I just care more about the atmosphere of the original.
The subdued colours, the more claustrophobic tartarus, the troony scene, the music...
I just can't like the remake without feeling like a homosexual.
>the troony scene
This homosexual likes having trannies in his games
Do you even know what the troony scene is? The main characters are all rightfully disgusted by the freak.
I'm well aware, and I don't care. I want trannies removed from everything. I don't want to even have to acknowledge those disgusting freaks exist so it being gone from 3 is genuinely an improvement to me.
Regardless, it was there in the original and thus it should have been there in the remake.
It was obviously remove because it depicted them in a negative, as it should when addressing them.
So regardless of your strategies to go about the troony problem, Reloaded is taking a blatantly pro-troony stance, one which has priority over accuracy to the original vision of the game, and a stance which should not be tolerated.
That's fair, but anything that makes it so I don't have to acknowledge the existence of troons is a win in my book.
>using yukari instead of ken
>using mitsuru instead of aigis
christ you are a moron
a lot of people on Ganker are genuinely stupid.
If you are directly controlling your teammates then you haven't played P3
I don't care.
You didn't play Persona 3
don't care+cope+seethe+your gay
>yukarigay is moronic as usual
Your run is dead anyway since you didn’t focus on school slinks
You sound like you're trying to fit in
Going back to 3 something I appreciate compared to 5 is that the characters aren't repeating the same shit in story scenes over and over. 5's script could've been cut down a lot and it would've been a big improvement.
I think part of this is that they carried over the discrete end dates of arcs into the new games. P4 had this issue as well to some extent.
In P3, the cast must wait until every full moon for their next challenge. P5 doesn't account for the fact that you can clear out the arc's mission very quickly, but because of adhering to this calendar system of P3, they have to wait around anyways for a month (they might have well as been waiting around for the next full moon). So your group of friends has to send you something every day in the meantime and rehash a bunch of stuff.
Yeah, I do think that the calling card is going to work this time Ryuji, we've seen it 4 fricking times by now.
I don't know how you could fix this without massively changing the scope of the game if you want to keep the calendar system. Making the game that much more dynamic to your own individual timelines and choices seems tricky to implement. Of course, removing the game from a calendar system would fix this, but that's sort of the appeal.
I'm not even talking about the phone chats, even though they also irk me. Even in the story they'll establish things only to repeat the same things in later conversations. Usually putting the blame on Ryuuji for not understanding what's going on, but it's the player's intelligence they're really insulting.
this shit is what kills the modern JRPG, I dropped NEO TWEWY due to that, fricking stupid way to pad out the game
>genuinely like Persona 5
>but also love to rag on it and shitpost about it endlessly
I have an abusive relationship with P5
same
thats why i play jap dub
also doesnt futaba say something like:
This japanese brings back memories? why japonizu lol
She said
>美しいジャポニズムだな
>Such beautiful Japonisme!
Japonisme was an artistic movement in the West that was inspired by ukiyo art. All of the traditionally Japanese paintings you see come from this style of painting.
Also, what good does the dub do you if you don't understand Japanese?
For me, the voice acting is just superior. Also I can catch a few words and tell if the sub match
Fair enough. I recommend you go the extra mile and learn the whole language. The dialogue really improves in Japanese.
Correct, your Japanese is good! At least it'll help with localization >.> it's a pain to find a good translation. It makes me wanna try to learn
Go for it, anon. It's a lot of fun, and believe me when I say that playing something in Japanese is a completely different experience. I'd argue localizers change more than 70% of the script and often for no reason.
I mixed natsukashi with otsukashii
>otsukashii
You mean utsukushii? The kanjis are pretty different
美 (beauty) vs. 懐 (yearning)
Wow, this translation's completely butchered
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>さあ、戦いに花を添えるとしよう
Now, let's add some flowers to the battle
>綺麗なバラにはトゲがあんのね
>Don't forget, even the prettiest roses have thorns~
>これで終幕だッ!!
>This is the end!
I wish persona 6 would go back to more substantial character development outside of s. links and pronounced inner party dynamics instead of everyone's lives feeling like they revolve around the main character
or at least reflect romance s. links in the main story somehow
but I know it won't
Atlus is a shadow of its former self and has been ever since P3, so don't expect anything even remotely approaching good, compelling character drama or even proper implementation of social links and the resultant character development.
In fact: gentle reminder that P3 was, in fact, the downfall of Atlus both creatively, as a developer and as a company.
Part of the problem is also that Persona awakenings, which weren't a thing in Persona 3 outside the main character, are now big parts of the game before you get a new party member - which essentially means they have an arc before they even join up.
that's true, it kind of feels like getting a party member is its own 'arc' and their development is more or less finished when they finally join and their s. link is just dealing with leftover insecurities or minor stuff
problem is most of the time it feels pretty removed from the main plot and even the other party members a lot of the time too. like it's too episodic or something, though there's probably a better word to describe it
I'm in July atm, just got to Yakushima. Right before this there's a part where:
Akihiko meets up with Shinjiro
Yukari is thinking about her dad's letter
Junpei is figuring his shit out
Mitsuru is talking to Fuuka about digging through the Kirijo database
And the MC isn't involved in any of it. He's not even mentioned. I really hope 6 is more like this.
Oh dont worry, everyone would be sucking MC dick soon.
Oh MC-kun you are so cool, strong, smart and handsome. We wouldnt be know how to tie our shoes without you around. Please lead us to battle and breed all the dorm girls (the dog too if you swing that way)
Don't get me wrong, I've played through FES in the past, I know the game. There is quite a lot of dicksucking over the MC's leadership, I'm not denying that. But the characters have lives apart from the MC and that is severely lacking in 5.
Just gate social link progression until X date so it fits with the characters development, or do this link episode shit again.
Why were the Phantom Thieves so soulless and why did the group dynamic feel so superficial? It didn't feel like they were friends. At the end of P3 I felt sadness. At the end of P4 I felt bittersweet. When P5 ended I felt nothing at all. It was incredibly underwhelming.
I think because most of the characters are too tied to each other through Joker.
Ryuuji, Ann, Morgana and to an extent Yusuke are fine with each other, there are strong personal relationships there, but what about Haru and anyone except Morgana? Futaba and anyone but Yusuke? What's the dynamic between Makoto and Ann? There's too many gaps in the group.
I played P4G in 2020, P5R in 2022 and just finished P3R 2 days ago.
My rankings are 3>4>5.
Best and worst party members gameplay-wise in P3R?
Best is a tie between Aigis and Junpei. The worst is Akihiko. Junpei is a crit monster who also comes packaged with Marakukaja for safety, and Aigis has Phys Amp innately and both Matarukaja and Marakukaja. Stick an Omega Drive on her and she’ll be critting similar to Junpei. And Akihiko just doesn’t excel at anything. His magic and strength are evened out, so he’s not good for much beyond being ok in random encounters. But bring Junpei and Aigis with you and you’re unstoppable.
A shame about Akihiko. Loved him in P3 with all of the debuffs he brought.
>The worst is Akihiko.
They really fricked him up in Reloaded. In utility and voice acting
Akihiko is far stronger than you people think.
Can run boost/amp for all of his offensive types at once. Buff Amp is completely bonkers in performance allowing him to hit well above his weight. His charge condition is mistranslated and the real effect is far far better than people think as it generates charge as long as he is buffed.
Exactly, you get it anon.
They should really reword his buff amp ability so that it doesn't seem like only buffs that he personally applies to himself have this effect.
The biggest problem with Junpei is that he can't crit consistently without sacrificing his kit. I'd say Yukari is the best just because she does her job and really fricking well to the point you don't need any other healers unlike in the original where you want to keep diarahan on someone else.
Assuming on merciless.
MC is of course the best and can do everything. Scarlet Havoc (even without a charge) is busted and is affected by apt pupil, crit amp/boost and slash amp/boost. Auto-ma skills are busted.
Next is Fuuka. On command charge for magic AND phys is broken. If for some reason you struggle with SP, she will cast a soma like spell as well if you use her theurgy when the party's SP is low.
Akihiko is still strong. His personality is worded poorly, but he gets stronger from any buffs applied to him. So if you're running auto-ma- spells on your opening persona, he is just insanely strong and will crit and shock all the time.
Ken's theurgy from his ultimate persona is great and I used it to take down the reaper rather early (I massively regretted this though because it gave everyone an obscene level boost, like from early 70s to 90s). His personality is fun as well for bosses, because you can just spam high magic skills to get him below 50% sp and take full advantage.
Yukari is great for getting through Tartarus floors because she can heal the party to full in between fights for next to no SP. Ken is the better healer/support in boss fights.
Mitsuru is great, but she's a pretty one-purpose character. Just concentrate then hit them hard. She does it well. Marin karin is great in the early floors too, especially since it will guarantee crits.
Koromaru is kind of annoying because his high speed stat means he will act first before the MC unless your auto-ma persona has high AG. His party-wide charge is nice though, and debilitate can be useful, although he learns it very late.
Junpei is nice because he can crit often. He is slow, so he will often be the last to act, but that's probably the position where you need a crit if you couldn't finish the encounter before then.
Aigis I found kind of lackluster. She gets enduring soul and insta-heal, matarukaja and marakukaja, but I didn't find her that key.
Shinji is the man.
Shinji is so broken they had to delete him
I genuinely grew out of it, I used to leave these games as a teen.
I'm having the exact opposite experience. I tried FES when I was a teenager but bounced off of it after a couple of hours. I didn't want to play a game set in high school at the time and already got my dungeon crawling fix elsewhere, like in Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup and Dark Spire.
I'm 28 now and having a ball with this game. I'm probably gonna try the rest of the series in release order down the line.
🙂
I love Fuuka!
I LOVE FUUKA!
fuuka has some delicious feet and legs with that outfit
ITT
Persona 3 only has a good ending
Persona 4 only has a good villain
Persona 5 has the best style, gameplay, party and plot
Simple as.
Playing P5R after the original P3 and reload, I had to come to terms with how the main theme didn't really hit until you reached the final palace. Royal made the main cast a lot more likeable, you hang with them more, and its just a lot better. The third trimester is great content, and Akechi being brought back, just to be a copy created by your cognition and innate want for things to have ended differently, is kino as frick. Maruki is also a great "villain".
The main real issue with P5R is that it takes so long to get to the third trimester, it overshadows the entire plot by how good it is, and its short. It's sorta like the okumura "question your justice" sorta thing, but done completely correct. If you accept his deal, everyone's life becomes way better. Makes you question what you're doing, makes you think about whether suffering is worth going through at all. Fricked up.
Reload is troony dogshit with no soul and if you like it you should actually put a real gun to your head and pull the trigger.
P3R is a terrible remake.
Play FES
It's not, keep seething
The majority of P3R's problems would simply have been fixed if they had just taken the stuff that worked in 5. The difficulty I feel like is supposed to be "easy". Every persona game I have played has ended the same way, you start weak as shit, on any difficulty, and then as soon as you get access to fusion, the game breaks because its extremely easy to get new personas. Maybe just add the negotiation system.
>Always loved Aigis’ crazy eyes in her cut-in
>They kept it the same
I clapped.
It still bothers me that they used that lame singer for Reload. She sounds bland and obviously now I'm seeing tourists saying the remade music is better because it's what they listened to first.
Never played the original and I can say Reload music is bad save a couple tracks
Color your night and changing seasons are goat thoughbeit
I like the new songs like Color your Night and Full Moon Full Life but the remixes of stuff like Burn my Dread or Mass Destruction suck.
I liked how she sounded on When the Moon's Reaching Out Stars more than the original mix, honestly
I don't like how the new songs they added sound like rejected tracks from the P5 OST.
It sure has a bit of disconnect between the remade tracks; Full Moon sounds like shit, Meaning of Armbands is alright but Its Going Down Now is a contender for my favorite normal battle track in a Persona game.
Lotus Juice is so corny now. I mean he was back then as well but in a funny engrish from this strange japanese game kind of way. Now he's singing and ruining older songs like the dorm theme.
Iwatodai Dorm was originally never sung by Lotus Juice. It was purely made up from hip hop samples. In fact a lot of the original P3 music uses samples, but this time they wanted to make it their own instead of using stock shit from a sample pack.
I know he didn't do Iwatodai Dorm but it's a track that he retroactively ruined in reload with dumb lines like "mindin my biz so mind your own biz"
Plus that track really needed zoomer slang like "CHILL VIBES" in it even though the game is still set in the 00s.
>zoomer slang like "CHILL VIBES"
this shit has been around for like a century lol
boomer-zoomer hasn't discovered that nothing from zoomer culture is new kek.
won't be long till chill pill comes back in vogue and gen alpha thinks they're speshul for it.
You're an idiot if you think zoomers invented that.
They don't invent anything, but things get associated with them because they can't go two sentences without saying it, its like they latch onto a meme and use it obsessively desperately trying to fit in so you end up seeing it everywhere and eventually it starts getting used in marketing aimed at them. It's this big cringe circle that starts over every 6 months
If there's one track that has been improved it's the dorm music. I always loved the instrumental, but the filter or whatever they had on the voice in the OG made it sound fricking moronic.
>If there's one track that has been improved it's the dorm music
Dude, the OG vocals sound like he had a stroke.
That sounds more like nostalgia talking anon.
my main complaint is that by november / december you finish all the night social links and have max stats. There is jack shit to do in the evening.
Nothing but planting seeds or walking koromaru for the millionth time
use the arcana cards to roid out your lategame personas in tartarsauce with the extra time perhaps?
It is a largely average experience, it just happens to have a really good final act. But I feel like there was some poll or something where people say they prefer if something is just fine all the way through with a great ending rather than something having a great start and then being just fine the rest of the way. Which is funny because Persona 5 goes for the latter approach. I still like both games, but 3 just sticks with me more. It feels like it puts a neat bow on everything, which makes the rest of the game look more compelling than it might actually be in retrospect.
>which makes the rest of the game look more compelling than it might actually be in retrospect.
I think this is why I like 3 so much. After the great seal, the theme of the game becomes much more apparent, and you can really look back on "most' of the social links and see how it ties in. Obviously the Sun goes with it the most (and its why its the most beloved one in the series)
pretty much my 1st experience with p3 too
>monster of the week? kinda meh tb h
>the betrayal
>who the frick are these spergs that randomly appeared
>the finale
the middle of the game (before the "everyone awoke to their final persona" bit) was honestly weird, like a total different game before setting up for the end
>best character is a dog
Just like real life
whats the best persona?
Innocent Sin, Followed by 3
Persona 4 if you want be comfy
Persona 5 if you want the best gameplay...I guess...
Persona 3 if you want a good story
P5 royal objectively
Only arguments against it are nostalgia and blind contrarianism
I never liked the original mass destruction. Sorry.
that's fine, wiping all out is the superior song anyway
It's going down now > Wiping all out > Mass destruction (Answer version) > Mass destruction (Journey version)
Why does this game have stupid sexy shotas
Unironically the japanese female audience. Ken is a romance option for femc.
That's because FES is the best persona game not P5 Blue
>P5 Blue
I'll be using that
How about you just call it by it's name.
Sexy pose. Too hot for the remake. Although she does still spin her hand around after the all out attack.
Troonsona
story:
3>4>5
social links:
4>3>5
characters:
4>3>5
dungeons or whatever you should call them:
5>4>3
pick your poison I guess. The story in Persona 5 is so bad and I dont know why people just take it
>The story in Persona 5 is so bad and I dont know why people just take it
not really, its just horribly paced. the beginning is amazing, then its sorta meh until november, then it picks up and doesn't stop until after the third trimester.
The first dungeon is really good, apart from being on a leash for 80% of it. It does a great job setting up the villain, the stakes, everything you really need. When the music hits during the heist too it's great.
After that though it's just riding off the momentum for another 65 hours.
3>everything and I'm tired of pretending the other games do anything better
story:
3>4>5
social links:
5>4>3
characters:
3>4>5
dungeons or whatever you should call them:
5>4>3
>5 having the best social links
The only really good social link is Yoshida, just because he's the only social link to tie in well with the game's main theme of finding your inner strength and fighting for what's right. The party members in 5 feel rather underwritten and the confidants typically go like this:
>oh no i am being blackmailed if only someone could slap them around in momentos
>my blackmailer became a decent human being out of nowhere i knew it you must be a phantom thief
It's so repetitive.
>social links:
>4>3>5
That's a damn lie
P3 and P4 only have a better story than base P5. Royal edges them out, if you think the story is bad, then you simply have bad taste.
>P3 and P4 only have a better story than base P5
not really
Why is this game $70?
its on gamepass. Play it for 10 or 15. Who in their right mind would pay 70
>ayo ya'll fr aint dat mid af bruh
Why do zoomies desperately try to copy black people's speech patterns?
The problem with the new OST isn’t Lotus Juice. It’s the bad mixing.
that's true but it's also lotus juice
>it's mid af
Too much broccoli for me
P5 handled the multi girlfriend route better. P3 is so unrealistic. The MC would be slaughtered for having like 8 girlfriends at once
He did actually die so who cares.
true man is lucky he died before valentines day. Thats when the real nyx and fall would arrive
In p5 they all have a slapstick scene and somehow sojirou fixes it for you the same day
In 3 it's more like this
>P3 team are mostly competent and responsible people who can handle themselves, they just need some guidance and leadership
>P4 team are new to everything about personas and shadows and are in over their heads but everyone is mostly rational
>P5 team are all stupid morons, you are the only sensible person who's job it is to babysit and tard wrangle
Why?
P3 cast is the only cast that lives by themselves in a dorm, they have to be pretty mature to hash out any problem. p5's cast isn't like that at all, makoto and yusuke (somehow) are levelheaded and generally make sound decisions
Lazy writing. The characters in 5 become vehicles to push the plot instead of genuine agents within the story.
Morgana is there to force you to do what the writers want, Makoto is there to bullshit contrivances because she's oh so smart, and Ryuji is there to be moronic in order to advance the plot in an unnatural way.
Imagine if Adachi walked outside your house and said "man, I can't believe I can push people into TVs and kill them! But I wish that meddling kid would stop getting in my way!" That's basically Ryuji.
Makoto is such a bizarre character. She has that motorcycle and gets really hammy during battle, but then outside of dungeons she feels like a wet blanket with just as much personality. She's constantly hyped up as smart, but then tries to start shit with a yakuza gang leader. In real life, that shit could get you fricking killed. It feels like they never really nailed what her character is supposed to be.
You realize her getting emotional and trying to take the mafia shit into her own hands is exactly what made them bring her on board because she proved she was just like them, right? People like
enjoy reducing P5's social links to almost nothing in an effort to make P3's shitty ones look better but no character arc seems to be as memoryholed as the one where the smart girl stops doing exactly what her social structure tells her to do
>le hecking strong&powerful™ woman is actually deathly moronic
I mean, that's probably the most realistic P5 got
>P5 team are all stupid morons
*ahem*
Every persona games have pros and cons, just pick your poison
This doesn't even make sense. Fine dining doesn't taste like cardboard. I've never heard someone make that claim before. It's usually rich and intense but overpriced and in tiny portions.
> Food analogy
>Food analogy
Is it all that american normieculture can produce?
WHOLE LOTTA MOVES I'M MAKING ON YOU LIKE DANCE FLOOR
AND DURING THIS BEATDOWN YOU PROLLY WISH THAT YOU COULD FAST FORWARD
CHECK IT OUT I'M IN THE HOUSE LIKE CARPET
AND IF THERE'S TOO MANY HEADS ON MY BLUNT I WON'T SPARK IT
I'LL PUT IT IN MY POCKET AND SAVE IT
LIKE ROCKET FUEL
>we will never have a based Stacy FeMC seducing shotas ever again
Playing P3 retroactively makes P4 and P5 worse because you realize all characters are just bootleg copies of the P3 cast.
>P3 has the best story because... it gets good at the end!
imo
agreed
I like Shido's and Maruki's palace. Yaldabaoth feels like ass pull though much like in Ameno-sagiri in P4.
I couldnt agree more.
4 attempted the enjoyment curve of 3 with the main plot and the little girl but it just didnt hit the mark
I think the content of the royal version towards the end still improves the experience of the game for some time and creates some intrigue (although I did not complete it)
The Royal content is mostly for people that don't have the attention span for actual P5 by giving them something way more kiddy to end off the whole experience
That's fair, I don't mind the long stretch of not much going on in 3 as is (honestly you could have paced out stuff like Ken/Shinjiro or Junpei/Chidori a bit better to have something going on) but 4 is definitely more egregious in that regard since all you really do is save the next victim in between shenanigans until eventually Nanako gets grabbed.
P3 has a very meh ending for what it was trying to achieve
Honestly talking to Akinari's mom and her telling you to take care of those you love before they're gone got me more then the actually ending and Aigis rambling she found a reason to live.
It's funny because by that logic P5 would have the best story since nothing in 3 comes close to Maruki's storyline.
P5R makes the other games look mid in comparison
Persona 3 killed Persona 3
Frick your shitty demake
It's not a demake. You don't know what a demake is.
P3
>Easily the most competent storytelling and character writing out of the three
>MC is somehow the most powerful Persona 3 protag yet the least wanked compared to Yu and Joker
>themes are more in line with the classic games
>Tartarus even with all the additions made in Reload is still very fricking boring
P4
>harem antics the game
>scooby doo tier plot that went harder on the school setting than the previous ones
>everyone relies on Yu because Yu is just that awesome
>instead of dealing with typical SMT themes like death and loss this is more of a coming-of-age story with teens finding their true self
>the individual character dungeons are better than Tartarus but the execution is pretty meh - characters do dumb shit to move the plot forward
P5
>easily the best gameplay out of all games
>but also the worst writing
>if P4 was a harem/chad fantasy - P5 is a straightup power fantasy
>everyone except Joker is a moron - simply existing to move the plot forward - even worse than the characters in Persona 4 did it
>constantly going out of character just to force an event
>outside of the main story the links however are decently written and the highlight of the game ignoring the much better gameplay and dungeons
I like 4 for what it is but it is a shame that it wasn't a one off and instead a step in the wrong direction.
>everyone except Joker is a moron
Except Makoto.
They ruined the OST and the dub. What a shame
P3 was never as good as P5 and no amount of screeching will change that tbh
>P5 has the worst writing
There was more thought and attention to detail put into the prison e-girls than was put into both Akihiko and Mitsuru put together
P3's story and cast are so barebones you'd have to be literally insane to place either above P5
>demake
eww
What ruined Reload for me is no more Fatigue
as much as I love P3, the last 1/3 of the game is so badly paced I really wish they did something with it. 2 months of doing nothing but going to the arcade during the day and I still got Telos
>Playing souless demake
that's entirely your fault
P4chads staying above the fray, winning effortlessly as p3gays and p5trannies destroy themselves, taking out the weird p1/p2/smt contrarians with them
>he thinks he can fix her
You know, after playing the nu-sona games I don't understand why 5 gets so much shit. 4 was easily the worst for me, there's almost nothing it does better than the other games.
4 has good writing, 5 doesn't. Simple as
5 is the most popular while also being the game that filters third worlders that can't read the most of any persona. 3 filters the least
5 is beloved though? What you're seeing now is just backlash from the over excessive praise it got and even then you still have defenders of it in these threads.
4 is the one that nearly everyone unanimously agrees is the weakest despite having an absolutely stellar reception just like 5. People tend to forget how hard Atlus milked it and they only did it because it sold well.
5 is fine, it's just the one that made the series popular therefore it's bad to oldgays.
>I'm gonna kill you and get revenge for mom even though I know it was an accident!
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T ALREADY BE DYING OF SICKNESS ANYWAYS IT MAKES MY REVENGE MEANINGLESS
What the frick was his problem?
YOU CAN'T ALREADY BE DYING OF SICKNESS ANYWAYS IT MAKES MY REVENGE MEANINGLESS
If you don't understand this you are sub 80
I really don't though. Killing for revenge shouldn't make you happy and if it does, you're smooth brained enough to revel in the act of killing and not the implications of it so that the other party already dying shouldn't even matter in the first place.
His entire reason for not killing himself 2 years prior just died.
But he was going to kill himself after anyway.
>even though I know it was an accident!
Why does this matter? Killing someone by accident is still wrong.
It didn't for Ken, he didn't give a frick if Shinji killed his mom intentionally or not.
What I don't get is why this confuses people.
Wouldn't you be pissed if your loved one died because of some idiot's stupid mistake?
This would be like a cop shooting an innocent person while aiming for a criminal. He had good intentions, but that doesn't justify it.
What's this?
A one off comic about Punisher killing the marvel universe.
TL;DR Aliens attack, superheroes fight in park where Frank's family is and Cyclops accidentally lasers them in the fight, Frank runs in as they're bickering about who's to blame and Cyclops gives him a half hearted apology
watching personagays have their slapfights over their shitty vn "games" is always funny.
3 has the best ending
4 has the best antagonist
5 has the best party, girls, visuals, soundtrack and writing which is why it's the popular one.
Only coping homosexuals think otherwise.
5 has the worst girls, name literally one good girl. I almost dropped the game when Ann said she was discriminated against for being a Hapa
You didn't like Hifumi? I personally think P5 has the best girls, at least from their designs.
I was talking about the main cast of girls but I will concede that p5 has the best side b***hes. Persona 3 has the best main girls and passable side girls thoughever
Literally all of p5's main girls are better than Mitsuru, Fuuka, or any of P4's girls
But I will acknowledge that Yukari is good
Mitsuru>Makoto>Kasumi>Fuuka>Haru>Futaba>Yukari>Ann
I didn't get far enough to rank Aegis yet.
didnt expect this guy to be such a bro, him and the old couple were great links
>Starting a witch hunt over a cigarette butt
Is the type of gay who joins the student council really like this?
yes and he realizes how cringe it is too but only is a gay about it on principle
Sun is my favorite but Emperor and Tower are cool.
Did you get the battle panties yet ?
If I were to play P3 for the first time, which version should I choose? FES or Reload?
always Reload, I will never recommend playing FES again
Reload, it is a more enjoyable experience.
P3's characters are the most popular with the least mature people because they're written like how emotional underdeveloped kids imagine themselves to be.
Fuuka > Futaba
I just don't care for the gremlin gamer gurl gimmick or Rise crying about being an idol and who the real her is, despite already figuring that out at the end of her dungeon.
Fuuka is so cute
>Handholding
Fricking bawd
>>it's mid af
Zoomer speak makes your opinion not worth listening, kid. You should go back.
>Fuuka >
Go back to /pg/
>Trashing Fuuka
Get the frick out of my board troon
I wish persona 6 lets you switch between press turn and 1 more. The latest iteration of both systems are overpowered but I liked press turn's shenaningans more.
I'd like them to do a small town again in P6 over a city like 3 and 5. It's comfy.
What other Persona has a bratty JK like Ai?
For me it's the maid outfit on mitsuru and the ann suit for yukari
I just love latex too much
P3 and P4 icons are the chad yes meme unlike P5
Demake
still cant believe they didnt shift around evening/afterschool links
its weird how you literally have nothing to do during evenings for 1/5th of the game
I don't know what's worse, OP or having P5gays dick riding the protagonist, only for Reload to come out and not even a month after go full "ACKCHULLY turns out P3 protagonist is the BEST written protagonist in all the series!"
If anything Reloaded renewed my love of 3. I couldn't really bring myself to get through 5 and I thought that maybe the series was never that good. Once I started playing through reloaded it all started coming back to me
persona games are too long for their own good.
dropped persona 5 towards the end of art gallery dungeon and persona3R after the beach episode despite enjoying both games.