Was Kerghan (from Arcanum) right?
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Was Kerghan (from Arcanum) right?
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He just jumped to conclusions instead of checking what is causing souls to be removed from the sea and born into the world. He just went don't know, don't care and proceeded with his genocide plans.
Souls can’t be born into the world if there is no world.
He still didn't check for the greater mechanic behind all of it. Just declared it an atrocity and went for genocide.
>people should just kill themselves because life is suffering
Genuinely one of the worst WRPG villains.
>people should just kill themselves because life is suffering
Based and Kerghan pilled
>Gets introduced when the game has like 10 minutes left
>Bro life sucks so much let's just go to limbo
>Gets defeated by a ball
Great job
>Gets introduced when the game has like 10 minutes left
You learn about him during the course of the game. The Silver Lady also foreshadows him though it's not clear on the first playthrough.
The painting you have to steal to join the thieves guild is titled Kerghan & Persephone.
He is mentioned since the second city you visit in the game, but since you have no reason to care about him in particular, it seems just a lore detail without importance that you don't pay attention to.
Only black. He mentions finding a "second side to necromancy" or something like that.
Pretty much, he was afraid of being personally subjected to black necromancy, so he agrees to let it go when a means to aparently avoid that (the device or the sword that could allegedly destroy his soul for good) appears.
For a game that took a stunning and brave stance against "chosen one" cliche (which wasn't really that abundant in RPGs in the first place), having an antagonist with a plan that is at least internally logically sound is an achievement anyway.
His observations are correct as far as we know, since some of them are just common sense (you can only suffer if you're alive) and others can be verified during the course of the game (necromancy causes distress to dead souls) but the conclusions he draws from these observations seem motivated more by his own personal issues than by any kind of objective logic.
> sending a human necromancer obsessed with his own mortality to the point of inventing an entire branch of magick to the ONE place where no one can die
the dark elves deserved it
He invented BOTH necromancies, black and white.
i don't know about this homosexual but i stumbled upon some library that has a book named the orcish q uestion and i thereby call this game based
>literally who tier villian that appears in the last ten minutes of the game and who you never meet or even get a hint of being the villian until then
>philosophy boils down to "uhh bro suffering is bad so clearly everyone and everything should die!!!"
>one of the worst final boss speech checks every put in a game, makes New Vegas look brilliant in comparison because your character literally just says "nu uh, you're biased!"
Arcanum is truly the epitome of "never played it but pretend to love it to fit in" in the CRPG genre, fricking hell.
>life is suffering
>death is preferable
this DESPAIR comes up in a lot of games/settings from FF8 to Guren Lagann.
Exceedingly mid take.
t. seething secondaries
It's fricking infurating in the case of Arcanum though because people here who clearly have not played a single second of it will regularly talk it up as if it's some true classic standout among all CRPGs when it may be the single most janky and mediocre of them all. The single saving grace it has is the setting and aesthetics, even the dialogue is throughly average when it comes down to it.
homie Arcanum is one of the best simply because most other RPGs in its vein are actually completely terrible
Fallout 2 is largely the same kind of game but a frickton better. Frick off zoomer and stop parroting other people's opinions. You've never played any of these games.
Oh wow, you found one of the only comparable games that is better (which happens to also be a Tim Cain product) That sure proves me wrong!
>t. low INT
Pretty much, most of the praise that generation of games get is lip service by people who desperately want to feel like they're part of an elite.
Not like it's so different when it comes from modern games, or any era of games really, but when it comes to old games it's especially embarassing.
And I'm sure you gleamed all this information based on some video you watched on youtube about the game.
You have to read Schopenhauer to appreciate Kerghan.
resignation is the ideal
Yeah, if you read philosophical pessimism and anti-natalist thinkers before playing the game, that can kind of make Kerghan's perspective more interesting. But what he actually says is not very compelling. You have to pretend that he's actually a Schopenhauer acolyte and not just a fantasy wizard who hates life. I'm guessing the developers didn't secretly have philosophical pessimism in mind, since you can defeat his grand plan by saying "hey what if it's just you that thinks life is shit" and he just gives up. Implying he really was just a mad old wizard, he didn't stumble onto some kind of terrible truth, it was all emotion. I like Arcanum, and I don't hate the idea of Kerghan, even if it's kind of a shyamalan twist, but his execution could have been better.
What is compelling is your companions who can say that he got a point. Virgil after death+ressurection and Torian Kel for whom Kergans plan is the only way to brak free from his immortal undead state.
Why is this "everyone who doesn't share my moronic opinions is lying" mentality so common on Ganker? It is autism or extreme egotism?
They think if your way of even thinking is invalid, they are automatically right.
>on Ganker?
mhm
You're on the wrong thread. We're talking about Arcanum, not FFIX.
He wasn’t wrong and he didn’t lie.
A final boss so terrible and devoid of actually valid reasons for his actions that people have to become psueds to try and defend him.
Yes.
You can find his secret laboratory, diary and some gear in the Stonecutter Clan. IIRC there's also a tech version of the Raise Undead spell. Super optional location and not much of foreshadowing but still.
Genuinely thought that was an organization 13 dude from kingdom hearts from the thumbnail.
Why is a arcanum thread on the 10th page?
BUUUUMP!
Depends on perspective, which is why you can convince him otherwise.
He stopped being right the moment he decided to force others into his worldview. There is literally no logical reason why he would've left the stream of souls, but Troika needed their twist villain so we got what we got.
No really, why did Arronax need to be a good guy?! What he said would happen - happened, the ones responsible did dick-all and became incompetent NEETs and all he got for his desire to protect interests of his people is thousand years of mental torture. He should've been the one to take revenge, to try to unite his people, refusing to ally with human and half-orc/ogre chars at all and opening alternative ending for others where war starts for control of a new era.
Kerghan should be the recruitable npc that wants to leave the void to get back to the stream of souls while not caring for the current state of the world.
Yes.
Unfortunately you dont have the choice to join him.
But you do? You even kill everyone in Arcanum after getting rid of the other prisoners. And then you fight him becoming the last person alive.
The bad ending is so stupid. How do the MC and this old ass necromancer manage to kill literally everything in Arcanum, including all the armies, the elven and orcish tribes etc?
Wither away all grass in the world. Everything soon follows.
Might makes right and he lost to the main character so no.
Yes.
*ahem*
frick gnomes