>KH4 gets zero hype
>mobile game pre-flopping
What went wrong?
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>KH4 gets zero hype. >mobile game pre-flopping
>KH4 gets zero hype
>mobile game pre-flopping
What went wrong?
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KH3 was a massive disappointment considering fans waited like 15 years for it. Doesn't help that KH4 looks unrecognizable
I wouldn't say it was a flop. We just got pissed off because of a shit level, though it wasn't SQ's fault in that case, but also because it ended on a damn cliffhanger.
The whole game was a shit level.
Vanilla kh3 is shit, and disney having an iron grip on how characters were portrayed from their IPs ruined whatever charm was planned for it, let alone a rushed conclusion that could've been something that spanned across the game itself.
>Vanilla kh3 is shit
The DLC is also shit.
Nah it's great.
Nah, it's shit.
The biggest problem outside of Disney's iron grip on what they're allowed yo do with the characters is the fact that they haven't put out any worthwhile movies since KH2. Olaf from Frozen and Baymax from Big Hero 6 should have been summons at most, not worlds.
I could tolerate big hero 6 but when frozen was announced as a world I immediately checked out and told myself I would be done with the series after 3.
>they haven't put out any worthwhile movies since KH2
They did, and it's fricking amazing
how am I supposed to even know what movie this is
I looked it up, it's apparently a movie called "strange world"
Modern disney animations are terrible, even pixar is a shadow of its former self. So theyll just recycle the classics, like Hercules and Pirates for the 20th time. Some fans(surprised they still exist) cope by believing that KH will move into disney owned properties like the MCU and Star wars
>cope by believing that KH will move into disney owned properties like the MCU and Star wars
Honestly, at this point, they should just keep to the classic Disney worlds, and focus more on their own shit now, as well as maybe some more Final Fantasy.
The Disney shit was great when the first game came out and everyone still loved Disney, but the company puts out very few charming things anymore. Most of the cool shit people wanted to fight against and do in a Disney world has been done. If Disney is going to demand they put fricking Let It Go in the middle of the game, then let them go.
the series is owned by Disney
I just want treasure planet and Atlantis
And return to oz and blackhole
Is having a wife that's not your race all it takes to be considered woke nowadays?
Disingenuous
If the only reason you do anything is purely based on the whim of a israelite on the other side of a box, then maybe living isn't for you. Try dying
Wait, is this Lightyear?
It's a new disney+ movie, can't remember the name. Just turn off your adblock and you will see it in every ad.
Anon, as a Flipgay, the only ads I see on my YouTube phone is food-related ads.
BBS plot is good because it closes a lot of plot points most of the franchise opened. It's KH3D that opened a new can of worms
I don’t even like Frozen, but if you seriously thought a movie as massively successful as that would get relegated to the cheap seats you’re delusional.
Especially when Nomura liked Frozen and wanted to put it in. Imagine how disappointed he was working with the Frozen team.
Wasn't Simba just a summon in kh1?
I mean Donald Duck hasn't been in anything for what 40 years?
fan stuff is better anyways
>when he walks in on his wife suckin another ducks dick
Princess and the Frog is cool granted I've no idea how that would work as a world.
Dr. Facilier would be perfect KH.
Same for the big monsters in Moana.
>they haven't put out any worthwhile movies since KH2
Wreck It Ralph
Moana
Inside Out
Meet the Robinsons
Wall-E
Zootopia
Princess and the Frog
Coco
>eh
>bleh
>LOL
>eh
>eh
>STOP
>eh
>LOL
>hating Inside Out
play more games, KH3 gameplay is fun if you remove the shittractions. It's a 6/10 at worst just because it fails to deliver a good end to Xehanort saga.
KH3 needed a lot of things. But it needed a mid game climax a la 1000 Heartless battle in KH2.
not reading all that, and Shitside-out is garbage compared to Emperor's New Groove.
>KHgay has shit taste
lol
Wall-E, MtR, and PatF are the only original and interesting projects in that post.
>Hawaiian Hercules!
nah, I already had Lilo and Stitch 1 and 2
>Inside Out
nah, I already had Osmosis Jones
>Zootopia
lmao
>Wreck it Ralph
nah, I already have Pixels and the AVGN movie
You're an idiot.
inside out was cringe and disney died along with traditional animation my savant consumer
You dropped this.
Nah, I'm not the one defending modern Disney movies, let alone KH4.
No, you're just a pretentious homosexual who thinks movies are bad because they have broad thematic similarities to other, completely different movies. You're a complete idiot high on the smell of his own shit.
I think those movies are bad because they're all ugly and samey depending on animation studio with Dreamworks, yet again, being the outlier. Unlike you I actually like the medium you cum guzzling Black person.
You don't know jack shit about the medium or story telling. You have to be like 13.
this. the disney aspect is holding back KH now. it was fine back then but seeing how disney has devolved + people caring less about disney when they get older is dragging down the franchise. It needs to starting having entire Square Enix worlds, mainly Final Fantasy. at least 50% both, a balance of worlds from FF and Disney. and bring in FF summons instead of all Disney summons. They can even mainly be actual FF summons like shiva, ifrit, etc
That was the point of verum rex, to use new characters and save the KH combat for a new ip without having to depend on Disney
Ok but what if we get Star Wars
that would be an improvement, as well as marvel. but only if they made it focus on the OT and not the horrible sequels.
I wouldn't say that. Pixar levels were good. BH6 wasn't utter cringe. Pirates was a waste of potential and rushed as frick. Probably due to Frozen team eating the time and budget.
frick off you shit eating mongoloid. you dont speak for us. the game was ass
>because of a shit level
try levels, at least half of the pixar/disney worlds were garbage.
Which ones?
>a shit level
>level
>a
Why would you be excited over an ampty apartment?
This series is two decades old. The fanbase got older and only a small part of it developed the "disney adult" syndrome.
The early games were a balanced mix of disney fanservice and JRPG nonsense. But theyve shifted to 99% disney focus that they forgot that it was originally a crossover with final fantasy. So now the jrpg/chuuni either grew out of that phase or moved on to other series and the disney crowd doesnt care much for some bizarre anime disney game.
It was 80% Disney in KH3 then the cringe anime shit that's usually funny as hell and spaced out through the first two games very well is all in the final world and it dragged too much with cutscenes of every story that had been talked about and discussed for years all wrapping up extremely quickly because all of these characters people grew to love weren't Sora kek. Then when it finally feels like you're out of the Keyblade Graveyard and in an amazing world that looks incredible, it's a stage for a boss fight, then it's not even that amazing to explore in the DLC either kek, there are mods that let you get high up in the world and you can see that they have modelled assets in the top floors of these towers and seemed like you'd take an elevator to get higher and in the end you're just running around killing heartless and it feels like you're just doing chores instead of progressing through a unique dungeon in Re Mind. That's how I felt anyway, I hardly even remember Re Mind, except the gay part where you play as everybody at once fighting the Organization, which was a pain and not as flashy as that stuff usually has been, it looks so silly instead of fun. Data bosses were based though thank God.
Yeah, that's a big part of what I didn't like about kh3. Usually the more serious jrpg bosses/bigger narrative threats would serve as a boss in certain disney worlds but here, they hoard it all and through it at you at the end game as a boss rush when it wouldve been more satisfying to get through them throughout the game
Cute.
wait, what the frick, 10 years ago. How
>What went wrong?
KH3
I was a KH fan from the start. I loved the series and waiting on KH3 with more anticipation than you can imagine. It was the worst game I've ever played and killed any hope at all I had for the series. I don't give a shit about Nomura's chuuni trash writing anymore or his obsession with time travel and "epic" reveals about who was actually who and what they were planning all along. If KH3 had given any real closure at all to that arc and had even decent gameplay I'd still care, but the whole thing was Nomura taking a fat shit on the series. He changed after he lost Versus XIII and he's been terrible as a game director since.
This. I really hope KH4 is good but ill always have this in the back of my mind.
This. KH3 was what everyone wanted for over 10 years, and when we got it, it was just meh. I think alot of people checked out at that point. KH3 was hype, and when we played it, it just didn't live up to the expectations of itself. I, and probably many other fans don't want to do that again just to waste 10 more years of our life.
This sums up nicely how I feel about the whole thing too. KH3 was nothing but an insult, it felt like a filler game that just so happened to use bits and pieces of lore from the previous games for the sole purpose of setting up the next "saga". It started in birth by sleep but by dream drop distance the games just didn't feel like part of the same series, maybe it's just the nature of how these games are written but the later games feel like they were written by a completely different team which may be the case. Can't really care any more about it.
I don't know what they were thinking having the game be 20+ hours of aimless dumb Disney shit, only to wrap up 15 years of story buildup in like an hour or two. If you cared about the Birth by Sleep guys or the 358/2 Days guys you basically got a 3 minute cutscene where they reunite and that's it. They could've spread all those plotlines over the entire game. I guess they wanted to make the finale super epic but instead it made the entire game shit.
Isn’t this how like ALL of the KH games are structured?
>darkness darkness darkness Sora Keyblade
>15-20 hours of Disney World
>light light light Kingdom Hearts
>bad guy screaming
>credits roll
The Disney stuff never matters ever
>this how like ALL of the KH games are structured?
No. You have a reason to go to the worlds and story stuff happens in them. There are also full sized non-Disney worlds.
Most games connected the plot of all movie to the story somehow. The worst offender after kh3 was kh2, and even that had the whole hollow bastion thing halfway into the game to pace things out.
as someone who never played any of nomura's games, i always find it weird how he seems to have a good reputation when all i've ever seen him make in the last few years was chuunishit that focused overy on graphics.
his past games resume must have been really impressive huh.
There's a very clear and very real divide with Nomura. When he lost control of Versus XIII, any talent he had disappeared instantly. That said, there were some signs before. Brave Fencer Musashi was one of Square's best games and what he did to the sequel was disgusting and definitely a portent of his future chuuni shit and gay urban fashion obsession.
I stan Nomura because he at least has a verifiable talent in character design. Other famous name producers are garbage hacks with zero talent like Kojima. It helps that I am not a fan of KH and have never played a KH game. My favorite series is TWEWY and Nomura actually contributed extremely positively to the project. His designs are amazing and he took a hardline stance that the game had to be made in a way that it could only be played on a ds then mostly fricked off and let other more talented directors take over. This is where Nomura shines, when you confine him to the art team and keep him the hell away from the storyboard. With Kojima your best bet is dangling a burger in front of his nose and leading him off the premises.
Didn’t Normura inflict Beltan Zipper on the world for fricking years? And then when people complained, he doubled down and gave us even more Beltan Zipper?
Aside from goth girls with huge lips, that’s all I know him for character design wise.
Kojima has made some very good games over the years. I'd argue he's miles ahead of Nomura as a director, but has a similar issue when having too much control over a product. The MGS1-4 all have good gameplay, but by 4 it became clear that unrestrained Kojima had issues for a game. That said, even 5 had very good gameplay, but it seemed dragged down so heavily by Kojima's creative contributions that it ended up unbelievably unsatisfying for players.
I have always felt that Nomura works best when he is an artist with some ideas contributed to the overall game but not the director. I love his designs in FF7/8/10, TWEWY, the recent SoP characters as simple as they are, etc. I think he suffers from being given too much control.
Japan has a Final Fantasy 7 day.
Japan has an everything day because of how their sounds work. Don't read into it.
Nomura is a well respected member of the Square and the JP game dev scene in general because he is basically always up to help people out by doing guest art or helping of the emotional aspect of games stories.
On top of this despite all his eccentric behavior he follows orders acts professional and works on the games he is given.
KH is basically his reward for being a good sport on other projects and his reputation means he has a good relationship with Disney JP.
>Nomura is a well respected member of the Square and the JP game dev scene in general
He's actually an butthole to work worth.
t. guy with a friend that worked at SE in Tokyo
>It was the worst game I've ever played
Insane exaggeration, come on now. Even in this very series you have BBS and DDD to compare it to.
>Insane exaggeration
Not at all, and people who get at statements like this are massive homosexuals.
ESL
No, that's just clearly a missed word. Learn to spot typos and understand the difference between grammar mistakes.
I guarantee I've been playing games longer than you and have played more games. You're a massive homosexual if you think a game can't be bad because in a vacuum you can look at it as being functional and not being full of bugs. That doesn't matter when it's riddled with awful design choices and shit writing.
>KH3 is the worst game ever because of shit writing
lmfao
once again I'd like to point you to BBS
The writing in BBS is significantly better than 3. BBS on its own is less moronic, and in the grand scheme of the story doesn't shit on 20 years of buildup.
BBS is the can of worms to end all cans of worms. KH3 seems worse because it had the unreasonable expectation to wrangle together all of the moronic nonsense that BBS introduced into the series by the shovelful, whereas BBS being a prequel had all the luxury to leave stuff hanging for future games to address.
Nah. BBS was a can of worms that still had some charm to it and could have been easily spun into something good. KH3 was garbage writing at every single turn that did it's best to be bad.
Nope, that was DDS. BBS had actual good plot and gameplay
>BBS
>good gameplay
I'd argue the writing in BBS is just as bad if not worse, but that's not my point. A game can not be the worst game ever through writing alone. The horrible gameplay of BBS automatically makes it worse than KH3.
>The horrible gameplay of BBS automatically makes it worse than KH3.
Nope. KH3 had had the same shit command system and even worse flowmotion platforming coupled with even worse balancing around the awful shotlock and air sliding. In BBS you could mash through things and it was boring. KH3 was a long game filled with boring worlds and bad gameplay, and more shitty minigames than I care to remember.
>same shit command system
>KH3
>command deck
Not the decks, you idiot. The command gauge.
You mean the situation commands? That’s not the same as the Command Styles, you fricking moron.
Jesus fricking Christ, you are stupid. The gauge that is literally under the word command that fills up and does form changes.
>The gauge that is literally under the word command that fills up and does form changes.
That’s not even remotely the same, you goddamned moron.
Did you even play BBS? The systems are not nearly the same.
Played it on release and even beat MF. The form changes with the command gauge came from BBS and are fricking trash compared to KH and KH2 battle systems. Using that in KH3 killed any chance of it having good combat. That and shot lock. You have no idea what you're talking about if you don't realize that 3's combat is based on BBS.
But that fight is shit, like all the data fights and Yozora. Them being harder than the vanilla game because they're long games of simon says doesn't make them good.
The form changes in KH3 aren't in any way similar to the BBS ones.
It doesn't work exactly the same, but it's the same form change system. It's the Osaka team combat and it sucks.
>I never said it didn't take certain things from BBS
It's not certain things. It's entirely taken from it except without the cards.
>If anything you're proving my point by trying to show that KH3 has shit combat because of what it took from BBS.
They're both shit, but BBS has cards which are better than the gay weapon changes in KH3.
KH3 has revenge values and BBS doesn't, that alone is enough to make KH3 combat superior.
>KH3 has revenge values and BBS doesn't, that alone is enough to make KH3 combat superior.
Nope. Implementation of them matters and KH3's is shit.
The move decks. Have you played the fricking game or are you actually so stupid that you didn't immediately know what I was talking about?
So you prefer it when humanoid bosses can arbitrarily break out of your combo with 0 warning like in BBS?
That's far better than the garbage arbitrary hyper armor and opening system 3's "good" bosses had.
>being this contrarian
You’re a pretty miserable person, aren’t you?
How is not liking garbage design contrarian? Do morons not know what contrarian means anymore?
Because one is an annoying arbitrary combo ended. The other is an arbitrary gate to start your combo, and is far stupider and less intuitive in its design.
Says the moron unironically defending BBS’ boss design over ReMind’s.
>defending BBS
Nope, it just a whatever handheld game. The 3 DLC is trash because the 3 combat is trash and the way the bosses are designed is trash.
The absolutely fricking do not. They don't have hyper armor damage reduction like 3.
>whatever handheld game
You mean total dogshit?
No, just a mediocre handheld game.
>The other is an arbitrary gate to start your combo, and is far stupider and less intuitive in its design.
Even KH2 bosses function this way bro
how is that better?
We call them commands, like we’ve been doing ever since the concept of it was introduced. Cards are a thing in Chain of Memories, you dense frick, and operate under different mechanics. At least know what the frick you’re talking about.
>oh, well it's the same thing where you build your move set by selecting each one to add individually but it's a deck of commands and not cards so I'll act like a coy homosexual and pretend I don't know what you're talking about
That's cool, but you're a massive fricking homosexual and you don't have a point.
>BBS has cards which are better than the gay weapon changes in KH3.
>BBS
>cards
What in the actual frick are you on about?
>You have no idea what you're talking about if you don't realize that 3's combat is based on BBS.
I never said it didn't take certain things from BBS, I said BBS was worse. If anything you're proving my point by trying to show that KH3 has shit combat because of what it took from BBS.
Show me a fight from BBS that's as good as this.
Gameplay and Mechanics in BBS sucks big ass
And they suck even bigger ass in 3.
If KH3 is the worst game you've ever played then you probably started playing games 3 years ago.
I feel Versus XIII has given tunel vision to Nomura, he probably is caught up in the "what if i managed to completed" he basically became an rpg villain himself
This, I can't fathom how could they decide to make the game like that
>have to give closure to decades of build up
>spend the entire game with disney filler
>make the last world a boss rush
>good guys job and wait in line for sora to beat their respective bad guy and give them a forced closure
>gameplay is a downgrade from previous games and it's built around doing QTEs to nuke all the enemies
Exactly this. I'd played every KH game (except the phone ones,) from KH to KH3. I bought Chain of Memories something like 4 times. While some weren't great (365/2 always felt bland to me,) I still loved the series.
KH3 was aggressively lackluster. I beat it within a month of release and gave my copy away to a friend. The combat had really bad problems with flow, with all the transformations and attractions and friend attacks. The pacing was terrible, with the first 90% of the game being a slow slog through the Disney Worlds that in some cases were completely unchanged through the movies. Then the last 10% was crammed into a boss rush, which ruined a lot of the payoffs. 15 minutes after seeing Axel and Roxas and Xion reunited I saw Aqua Terra and Ventus reunited. There was absolutely no time to even process the first one without the second one happening.
Them making the phone game lore plot-integral was also pretty terrible. I don't care for gachas, and I'm not going to play them. It would be like important plot information in a book series you like only being available on lotto tickets, it's a dumb inclusion into the series.
The gameplay was bland, the pacing was bad, the story felt rushed despite having a decade to work on it, and the game was just a massive disappointment. After I beat it I knew I was done with the series. I never watched the trailer for 4. I never bothered with the DLC for 3. KH3 was so bad it killed my love for a series that I'd been into since I was 13.
>Them making the phone game lore plot-integral was also pretty terrible. I don't care for gachas, and I'm not going to play them. It would be like important plot information in a book series you like only being available on lotto tickets, it's a dumb inclusion into the series.
Terrible meme. You miss absolutely nothing from not playing the mobage. Nothing that happens gets referenced in any way besides the one guy's spirit that helps Sora, which really doesn't need an explanation.
>If KH3 had given any real closure at all to that arc and had even decent gameplay I'd still care
lmao
it closes basically every single arc in the entire series up until that point, and adds a few new arcs for future games (where Sora went, what's in the Black Box, what's with the master of masters and that original group that's now back).
I can understand being disappointed with how they closed those arcs, but acting like they didn't do anything to close any of the arcs in the series is ridiculous. Every single main character had their core story arcs wrapped up, including Sora.
Also the gameplay is perhaps the best in the series if you turn off the attractions or just don't use them. Sure if you played on easy and just mashed triangle the entire time iI can understand why you'd think the gameplay is shit.
To each their own though.
>and adds a few new arcs for future games
I think this is a massive problem with 3. nta, but instead of closing chapters, Nomura, used 3 as platform for setting up the next saga. Which can be alright, but the last third of the game felt majorly like set up. Larxene and the others are keyblade related, Sora dies but not really, Donald and Goof looking for him, Yozora. I mean why did all of that need to be in 3? why couldn't KH4 start with Sora dying and all the subsequent Quadratum stuff? to borrow somethinf from Ganker, DBZ didn't need plot points or hints about Cell or the androids. the saga ended and that was it.
after 15 years waiting for this game, the last thing I wanted was a commercial for KH4. KH3 should have ended like 2, with the gang all huddled around an unseen message, with the promise of a new adventure on the horizon
>it closes basically every single arc in the entire series up until that point
You're a fricking moron. Saying "Actually MoM was behind everything lol" isn't closure.
>Also the gameplay is perhaps the best in the series if you turn off the attractions or just don't use them. Sure if you played on easy and just mashed triangle the entire time iI can understand why you'd think the gameplay is shit.
Your moronation about the story aside, this right here is indefensible. I beat the game on critical including the DLC. It's fricking shit and your opinions are worthless.
> It was the worst game I've ever played
For me, it’s LobCorp
>worst game I've ever played
I love these people who care so much about a series and won't shut up about its supposedly amazing gameplay yet will unironically claim that one of the games that largely has the same gameplay is the 'worst game ever made'.
It's like the people who find DS2 irredeemably shit. If that's all it takes for a game to be shit, none of the games in the series are very good.
>that largely has the same gameplay
You're a fricking moron who's so bad at games that you can't understand massive differences in how they play because you can only see base mechanics. It's like thinking Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2 are the same.
>It's like the people who find DS2 irredeemably shit.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
>If that's all it takes for a game to be shit, none of the games in the series are very good.
>It all it takes a balancing and a bastardization of the core mechanics along with trash level and enemy design
Fricking idiot.
>No argument
>Can't even form coherent sentences
Alright? I hope you're not going to claim that
>"It all it takes a balancing"
was an argument rather than an emotionally fueled and hastily thrown out conclusory statement.
>Can't even form coherent sentences
I understand that you think you're being rational in your internet debating methods, but if you think anything I wrote is incoherent, you're illiterate and have no place arguing here in the first place. Do you know what coherent means?
>was an argument rather than an emotionally fueled and hastily thrown out conclusory statement.
Now this here is incoherent. Balancing is one single thing I listed, and it's immensely important to game design. How fricking stupid do you have to be to think that bringing up such an indispensable part of good game design is a hasty and emotionally fueled conclusion? By your moron logic, DMC and DMC2 are also the same shit since they share the same basic mechanics and style. And I hope you realize that explaining why someone is an idiot and then calling them an idiot doesn't mean that their argument is just calling you an idiot. Redditor pseuds have a hard time understanding this.
>Point out that "It all it takes a balancing" is gibberish
>Further make a point that just going "frick you moron" isn't an argument
>Immediately get (you)s
I wonder why you'd be so sensitive about what I said.
lmao imagine being so moronic balancing is "gibberish"
>Still trying to ignore the words preceding balancing as if the post isn't still up.
You could always delete your post and retype it if it bothers you so much.
>a simple typo between it and if is biggerish
You know only ESLgays can't tell the difference between an obvious typo and actual gibberish, right?
>thinking "If all it takes a balancing" is proper English
An ESL would also react as strongly as you have to being confronted with such an error instead of acknowledging the mistake from the get go and moving on. I'm sorry I invoked such a strong response by acknowledging such a broken sentence.
"If all it takes is balancing" is absolutely proper English. How fricking stupid are you?
That's great but nowhere in the original post was "is" used which is obviously the point I made.
I think you need to take a deep breath and read these posts slowly.
>hahaha, there were minor typos in the greentext so I'll ignore the obvious point because it makes it clear that I'm an absolute fricking moron who knows nothing about game design!
For someone who pretends to care about proper argumentation, you sure are doing a lot of work to avoid actually talking about game mechanics and balancing. Why is that? Could it be that you know you're completely out of your depth and have absolutely nothing of worth to say on this topic because you don't actually understand the mechanical differences between games?
>make one post about it
>get 20 (you)s from people who cannot accept that the sentence was in fact rife with errors
If anything, you should be blaming your self for trying to defend it so much instead of, as I said, acknowledging that it's nonsense and moving on.
Imagine if you simply disregarded it from the get-go. Seems rather hypocritical to get upset at me, no?
its dumb anyways. its just grammer nazis showing they are plebian tier grammer nazis because they dont know the difference between formal and informal language.
It's a shame it still gets such a reaction out of people. Especially when the reaction is people trying to claim the sentence isn't proper rather than either ignoring it or trying to refocus on the thread topic.
i like it, its the easiest way to get someone to shitpost angrily for hours while i get paid to stare at a monitor. yeah i see the red squiggly line under my mispelt words. lmao no im not gonna fix it, for fricking Ganker lol.
reddit spacing for emphasis
even when im phoneposting ill cancel out the autocorrect or go back in sentences and remove and add capitals in weird spots just to see if anyone falls for it.
Not an argument. Try talking about video games to prove you aren't a complete fricking moron with no idea what you're talking about regarding mechanics.
>Not an argument.
That's correct. Which makes me wonder why I still got so many (you)s from people trying to argue that it was proper English rather than trying to talk about video games.
Still not an argument about video games. Have you given up pretending you have any idea what you're talking about and accepted that your assertion that they're all the same shit is objectively wrong because only someone with no understanding of game mechanics could think that? You have and that's why you've stopped talking about video games? Good. Glad we're all on the same page now.
>given up pretending
we could always return to
since the only responses were
>that sentence isn't grammatically incorrect how dare you
>we could always return to me ignoring a clear point because I'm going to pretend I couldn't understand the grammar
Honestly there's no need for you to go back to pretending to be moronic because it's clear that you're actually moronic.
>we could always go back to before the whole back and forth on grammar and actually talk about video games
>"N-no let's not be hasty"
Okay? You know I posted the pic in
for a reason. You should read the filename.
Anon the problem is that you got an answer about video games and didn't address the video games part. You just started shitposting like a moronic monkey about grammar. Someone explaining why you're wrong and then calling you a moron doesn't invalidate their argument because they called you a name. You understand that, right? No, it doesn't matter that reddit told you name calling isn't proper internet arguing form.
I explicitly pointed out that simply saying games have massive differences is a conclusory statement and, rather than going into detail on how games like DS1 and DS2 are so 'massively different' as to make one a supposedly amazing game while the other is the worst game ever made, you instead chose to specifically contest my point that
>It all it takes a balancing
is gibberish.
Can't really blame me if all the (you)s I got were people trying to defend broken English. Either way, the alternative for you is to return to
and go beyond making conclusory statements.
I personally find it funnier getting it replies about grammar while simultaneously being accused of being the one facilitating non video game discussion.
>I explicitly pointed out that simply saying games have massive differences is a conclusory statement
No one simply stated it. The games that fans are divided on have different mechanics and balancing and implement all the core mechanics differently. That's the point you failed to address, most likely because you don't actually know anything.
>rather than going into detail on how games like DS1 and DS2 are so 'massively different'
The mechanics are fundamentally different, you fricking idiot. How do you not understand this? Have you not actually played the games? If all you see is two similar looking games where you slowly swing a sword and roll at the cost of stamina, you don't know nearly enough about these games to try to have this argument. Let's find out. What do you think this webm is showing and why would it make someone feel differently about the games? Don't sidestep the question or try to change the subject to something else. Address it directly.
>I personally find it funnier getting it replies about grammar while simultaneously being accused of being the one facilitating non video game discussion.
That's because you ignored the clearly stated (and objectively correct point) that changing mechanics and balancing means games within the same series aren't the same. And I know you think it's clever and hides your asshurt over getting called a moron, but the constant reaction images are big red flag that you're an angry moron.
>The games that fans are divided on have different mechanics and balancing and implement all the core mechanics differently.
Right so articulate what those differences actually are with the example I provided
>That's the point you failed to address
I explicitly addressed that point by saying that simply asserting they have massive differences without addressing what they are is conclusory.
>The mechanics are fundamentally different, you fricking idiot. How do you not understand this?
I'm asking you to provide the examples.
>Have you not actually played the games?
I have but going "it's obvious if you played it" isn't an argument
> If all you see is two similar looking games where you slowly swing a sword and roll at the cost of stamina, you don't know nearly enough about these games to try to have this argument. Let's find out. What do you think this webm is showing and why would it make someone feel differently about the games? Don't sidestep the question or try to change the subject to something else. Address it directly.
So your argument is that DS2 is a shit game not worth playing solely on the basis of that webm?
>That's because you ignored the clearly stated (and objectively correct point) that changing mechanics and balancing means games within the same series aren't the same.
Actually I explicitly asked for actual examples demonstrating that such differences are enough to warrant considering one game shit as it is otherwise a conclusory statement.
>And I know you think it's clever and hides your asshurt over getting called a moron, but the constant reaction images are big red flag that you're an angry moron.
Anon, this is an imageboard and I will continue to post images. That they cause you to react in this manner only shows why I continue to post them.
>I explicitly addressed that point by saying that simply asserting they have massive differences without addressing what they are is conclusory.
No you didn't, you handwaved an argument.
>I'm asking you to provide the examples.
I did.
>So your argument is that DS2 is a shit game not worth playing solely on the basis of that webm?
And there it is. Despite getting arguments and a concrete example, you just refer to it as "that webm" instead of actually talking about what the webm is showing and why you think it's not a good example of why DaS2 is a shit game. You couldn't answer the question
>What do you think this webm is showing and why would it make someone feel differently about the games?
because you haven't actually played the games you're arguing about. You just see similar art styles and assume they must be the same shit. You don't understand the games or the mechanics you're shitposting about, because you're a moron. Feel free to act as smug as you want, but you've just outed yourself as being a moron who doesn't understand what they're pretending to want to argue about in detail. You can have another reply when you answer the question about the webm and prove you aren't a complete fricking moron arguing about things they don't understand, but we both know you won't do that. It's okay, just tell yourself you were fun posting and you don't actually care and never did.
>No you didn't, you handwaved an argument.
I explain in that same post why I view that statement as conclusory and you have not challenged, or quoted, that reasoning.
>I did.
You provided a singular example and I pointed out that it alone does not appear to demonstrate that one is shit not worth playing
>And there it is. Despite getting arguments and a concrete example, you just refer to it as "that webm" instead of actually talking about what the webm is showing and why you think it's not a good example of why DaS2 is a shit game. You couldn't answer the question
My point was explicitly "Explain how DS2 is different enough to warrant it being shit not worth playing" if you think that the webm you posted is sufficient on its own, that supports my argument.
>because you haven't actually played the games you're arguing about.
>You don't understand the games or the mechanics you're shitposting about, because you're a moron
You keep making these baseless assertions when all I'm asking is that if DS2 is really shit not worth playing, you actually go in to detail on the mechanics and balancing that makes it so instead of merely asserting that they exist and are sufficient to make the game as bad as you claim.
It's why I posted the pic in
as you repeatedly fall back on trying to hurl baseless insults instead of simply providing the examples you assure me exist.
>all I'm asking is that if DS2 is really shit not worth playing
>It's like the people who find DS2 irredeemably shit. If that's all it takes for a game to be shit, none of the games in the series are very good.
Correct.
Playtime isn't impressing anyone if you still don't understand game mechanics.
>baselessly assert that I haven't played the games
>pic proves that is objectively wrong
No need to move the goalposts. Can you explain how, if you think DS 1 is an amazing game, DS 2 is a shit game not worth playing without merely asserting broadly that DS 2 is worse mechanically and in terms of balancing?
Seems like a fair question. Anyone can assert any game has shit balancing and mechanics. Examples are what gives that argument value.
The pic proves nothing. That's a picture of someone's playtime. The fact that you don't understand the mechanics does prove you haven't played them, though.
>Examples are what gives that argument value.
You can say this while posting a picture of yourself as many times as you want. It won't change the fact that you got a webm as an answer and ignored it because it made you angry.
>This picture of you having played the games doesn't prove you've played the games
Don't you think you're being a little bit unreasonable now? I know you're mad at me but you're straying into complete psychosis.
>It won't change the fact that you got a webm as an answer and ignored it
But I explicitly acknowledged it and pointed out that it alone does not demonstrate that the game is shit not worth playing.
I'm not sure why you're so hostile to actually talking about the video game opposed to me as a person. For someone who goes on and on about how I supposedly know nothing about games, you are repeatedly refusing to provide me examples.
>This picture of you having played the games
That's not what that was at all.
>But I explicitly acknowledged it
And failed to comment on what it's actually showing, because you don't know.
0/10 better luck pretending to be smart next time, moron-kun.
>That's not what that was at all.
Is it not?
>And failed to comment on what it's actually showing, because you don't know
So you're moving away from having ignored it to haven't commented on it?
I genuinely didn't think it would be this hard to explain how Dark Souls 2 is a bad game.
>to haven't commented on it?
You got explicitly and directly asked to explain what you think it was showing. You couldn't, because you haven't played the games. Once you stop getting replies, you'll tell yourself that you were being reasonable but also just shitposting for fun so it's not a big deal that you couldn't answer a simple on topic question. You have mental problems.
>can you explain how DS 2 is a terrible game? Provide some examples.
>No
I hope nobody that was genuinely able to provide a response comes back to the thread to see this is how it concluded.
At least it was funny.
>can you explain how DS 2 is a terrible game? Provide some examples.
>Here you go
>no that doesn't count because I don't know what it's showing
At least you got some (you)s out of your shitposting.
>and go beyond making conclusory statements.
>balancing affects whether a game is good or not
That's not a conclusory statement, you're just too stupid to understand the significance of balancing in the games being talked about.
But I never challenged
>balancing affects whether a game is good or not
I said that one must provide examples to claim that the balancing in a game was done to such a degree that it renders a series with otherwise 'amazing' gameplay to be shit not worth playing.
I've clearly just upset you to a degree where you cannot think clearly. My point is as simple as
>if DS2 is shit not worth playing whereas DS1 is 10/10 explain the actual differences in the game instead of merely asserting broadly that such differences exist.
Me noticing people getting asshurt about pointing out a grammatical error and milking it for (you)s doesn't make my original point any less straightforward and clear.
>I said that one must provide examples to claim that the balancing in a game was done to such a degree that it renders a series with otherwise 'amazing' gameplay to be shit not worth playing.
As stupid as this is seeing as everyone knows the differences between the games in question already (especially since this thread is about KH and the differences between 2 and 3 have been discussed) you got an example of Dark Souls mechanics and ignored it. You couldn't refute the argument. You lose by your own redditor standards.
>As stupid as this is seeing as everyone knows the differences between the games in question already
So your argument is that despite not being able to provide examples, they definitely exist and everyone knows about them which makes it meaningless to list them despite being so easy to come up with?
> you got an example of Dark Souls mechanics and ignored it
Rather, I did not challenge it and asked if that was sufficient, on its own, to render the game not worth playing.
You have to admit it's pretty ironic that despite me directly asking you to discuss video games, you are refusing to do so on the basis that
>it's obvious
>despite not being able to provide examples
They're in this thread all over the place. You ignoring them doesn't mean they aren't there. Everything from command gauge and styles and a lack of original worlds and boss hyper armor.
>Rather, I did not challenge it and asked if that was sufficient
See now you're just being a coy homosexual. Do you know what an illustrative example is? Asking someone to give a list of all the bad mechanics because one or two isn't sufficient write off the whole game is absurd. You're arguing in bad faith like a homosexual, and you still come off as not even knowing what's in the webm.
>They're in this thread all over the place. You ignoring them doesn't mean they aren't there. Everything from command gauge and styles and a lack of original worlds and boss hyper armor.
I explicitly referred to Dark Souls. Did you miss that?
>See now you're just being a coy homosexual. Do you know what an illustrative example is? Asking someone to give a list of all the bad mechanics because one or two isn't sufficient write off the whole game is absurd.
If you think DS 1 is an amazing game and DS 2 is a shit game not worth playing, explain what the differences are that make it so. That's all I asked.
You're not explaining how that has been proven thus far in the posts I replied to. I get that I've upset you but I'm pretty sure you would admit that you haven't challenged my reasoning if you weren't already so biased against me.
>If you think DS 1 is an amazing game and DS 2 is a shit game not worth playing, explain what the differences are that make it so. That's all I asked.
>but you can't talk about fundamental movement and combat mechanics explicitly shown in the webm because that's one detail
>it's just not enough, I'm just asking a question?
Why do homosexuals with no actual argument about games think acting coy makes them sound less stupid? You aren't asking a question, you're just avoiding points because you know that you can't refute them. And don't bother trying to say that the problem is no one explained the webm to you. Anyone who's played the games knows what the webm is demonstrating.
>but you can't talk about fundamental movement and combat mechanics explicitly shown in the webm because that's one detail
I never claimed anything of the sort so you are purposefully strawmanning which accomplishes nothing
>Anyone who's played the games knows what the webm is demonstrating.
I explicitly said in
that I was not in any way challenging that webm so your post in no way responds to anything I put forth. I only asked if that webm alone is sufficient to support a claim that DS 2 is a shit game not worth playing.
I genuinely do not understand why you are refusing to simply discuss the actual game instead of beating around the bush. I thought you wanted to talk video games.
>I never claimed anything of the sort so you are purposefully strawmanning which accomplishes nothing
It's not a strawman. A webm got posted and someone asked you to describe what you think it was showing and you couldn't. You objectively have not played the games.
> I was not in any way challenging that webm
You also couldn't explain it despite being directly asked to prove you had any understanding of the games. Good job getting people to reply to an idiot who hasn't played the games he's argued about for so long.
>You objectively have not played the games.
see
>still no answer
That's gotta be embarrassing getting called out lying about having played a game everyone's played.
>I personally find it funnier getting it replies
Oof, what kind of ESL gibberish is this?
>we could always go back to before the whole back and forth on grammar and actually talk about video games
But you didn't talk about video games. That's the whole problem.
>that clear point about game mechanics and balancing is gibberish because you messed up one word, even though the point still stands
>now watch me as I pretend to know anything about debating and arguing
You're a redditor pseud moron and you know less than nothing about games if you think DaS and DaS2 are the same shit, or KH2 and 3.
>this person calling me out must be a Redditor
Sorry if your safe space is feeling attacked
>this moron who doesn't know English or game design trying to argue about the art of internet arguing is a redditor
That's right. Every time without fail.
Hey if that helps you get over me pointing out your grammatical errors you can tell yourself what ever you want.
>if that helps
It's not a matter of it helping or not, you're just a redditor. That's what you are. You may think that you somehow hide it, but you don't.
>This anonymous stranger upsets me
>I'll tell myself he must post on Reddit
>It has nothing to do with wanting to make myself feel better
You definitely come off as less likely to post on Reddit.
Every Souls game is balanced like dogshit though.
Nah, they're peculiar but not dogshit. Except for 2. 2 is dogshit.
Nta but they're all balanced like dogshit. Who are you trying to kid here
What in the frick are you even trying to say? Why is it that the morons crying about proper arguing are always the ones who know what they're arguing about the least? Yes, DaS2 is a trashfire of a game because of mechanics and balancing.
>say something moronic
>get called a moron
>cry about it
homosexual.
KH3 isnt mainline KH, its a portable game with portable game mechanics and portable game plot that released on console for some reason.
Days is the worst non mobile game, no contest.
Sums up Nomura quite good. He should retire
>It was the worst game I've ever played
play more games, KH3 gameplay is fun if you remove the shittractions. It's a 6/10 at worst just because it fails to deliver a good end to Xehanort saga.
KH3 needed a lot of things. But it needed a mid game climax a la 1000 Heartless battle in KH2.
>play more games,
I'd bet my life I've played more than you have.
>just because it fails to deliver a good end to Xehanort saga.
Or a good story in general. Or good worlds. Or good movement. Or good combat.
shut up joel
Versus XIII absolutely, irreversibly broke Nomura's brain. He's not well and never will be again.
KH3 gave birth to let him cook so its not all bad
>mobile game pre-flopping
proof?
game pre-flopping
And nothing of value was lost. KHUX was one of the shittiest gacha games out there.
I'll admit I didn't get super deep into it, but how was it a gacha game? I got as far as Snow White's world, maybe a bit further, and I don't remember a single gacha element. Or running into the energy/gem/whatever barrier where you'd have to wait to play more or pay money to keep going.
The good medals (AquaTerraVentus, KH3 Namine, Key Arts, etc.) were obtained through gacha and were mainly used for PVP.
You could steamroll the story with the defaults given to you at the start, iirc.
That's what I thought. It didn't feel like the story was being held ransom like other F2P mobile games sometimes do. Ah well, now the game can't even be played. Only the story cutscenes exist anymore. I guess if I really felt like it, I could just youtube the story.
I did that and found it to be needlessly confusing and boring, even by Kingdom Hearts standards. The fact that it's now going to be the foundation for the story of the main series isn't going to help the already low interest for KH4 in my opinion.
The problem is the short combat mission format they went with. You needed hours to get it going and all 978 mission (+proud mode) took ages. The web version they cancled beforehand contained only half the story but could be played through in a bit more than two hours.
Story fricking drags too. Has no pacing due to how gachas work. Wish someone would just complile the important bit and make a "movie"
I went looking after posting, and found that someone did just that. Stitched the Back Cover movie scenes in between KHUx bits in chronological order. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMOyUYpB_VM
God dam and it's still 6 hours. Im glad ive already done the slog now
The current events with the basic prizes requiered a deck (medal draws) you had to buy with real money or save the premium currency for a long time.
The main story was not very hard, especially once they removed the energy requierement for it.
Is KH still a continuous story?
Because if it is, that's what went wrong.
This shit is only for little children. Like what fricking kid will sit down to play like 15 old ass PS2 and handheld games, just to know that Xehabing is the same person as Xahopoop and he started the great Edge War between Mickey Mouse and a bunch of Final Fantasy characters he never fricking heard of? I felt lost when I played KH2 as a kid. And I had played KH1 before. I can't even imagine how much worse it is for kids trying to start with the newest one.
Darkness is a computer virus from the real world, Kingdom Hearts is a simulation. There, solved your shitty fanfic, Nomura.
The franchise died after 2
What mobile game? KHX? That story has been done for a while, anon.
my FLOPping dick
>KH3 didn't even have the balls to defeat the main overarching villain without some gay shit
Master Xehanort turning out to be a misunderstood misguided good guy was a dogshit way to end that plotline.
He was the coolest guy!
Kingdom Hearts ended with 2.
Anything else after that is for newbie zoomers.
Of course there’s no hype there’s no information
This is way more hype than what Kingdom Hearts is actually doing
Nomura literally has never made anything good
>Be like 10
>Wow kingdom hearts is fun
>Be like 13
>Wow kingdom hearts 2 is fun
>Be like 28
>This looks gay as frick
>Also the dumb fricks put it on epic store, guarantee you most people don't even know the game has a PC version at all
It can't be that surprising to you.
I still think KH1's story is fine. It's endearing and simple enough when it's just Sora that want wants to find his friends and return home, but has to defeat an agent of evil along the way. Anything thereafter is a complete trainwreck.
>KH4 gets zero hype
The game is literally more than a year out, possible more than 2.
Knowing Nomura, more than 10 years... if even that.
I played the entire series maybe two years ago having never touched it prior and I don't know if I'm excited after slogging through KH3. Square Enix just can't produce anything but flops anymore, and FF16 won't be any different either
For me, it's Toy Box world
It's ok, but like every world it is lacking a Disney Boss. I can't believe they didn't use Zerg. Plenty of worlds would have benefited from a boss fight with the actual Disney Villian in addition to what ever heartless they made up. Also I wish there was a reason to revisit the worlds like 2. Am I the only person who like that?
>but like every world it is lacking a Disney Boss
Not true. Pirates has Davy Jones and BH6 world has the corrupted Baymax body straight from the film.
and the titans and snowball. that's it. nothing else. everything else is a fricking boring ass heartless.
kh4 better fix this shit
Only world worth exploring. Should have had the gas station though
KH players are not posters.
CUM GUARDIAN
It really felt like it lost focus a year or two after KH2FM released in 2007. I looked back on the BBS trailer back when it was supposed to be on the PS2 and developed by team Tokyo, and it definitely had that KH1/2 charm still. Days had a little of it as well
Idk. Like others have said I think the whole Versus thing really threw a wrench in the series, both by taking away development from team Tokyo and because Nomura seems like he never recovered.
9 and Sora gets the Eren ending
Nice try, but this 9 was destined to give Riku the Eren ending.
still hype for the mobile game and kh4. its the only shit i care about and look forward to. kh3 wasn't disappointing to me, and the updates and remind made it one of the best games in the series. i don't give a frick about what any homosexual thinks, the series will continue for my enjoyment
>Calling people homosexuals
>Plays and loves a game that is literally for homosexuals and troons
????
seethe, dilate, etc
>I'm a shit eating moron with no standards at all and never really understood what made KH good in the first place
Cool
based
with TYBW on disney+ we grow closer to this reality
never ever
>lalalala I dont care lalalala it was good lalalalala
Keep telling yourself that anon
shut up coprophile
>still hype for the mobile game
How is it pre-flopping?
>mobile game pre-flopping
A mobile game you can't buy that's only had two extremely closed betas cannot "pre-flop".
There is no need for such a game in current mobile market, you can figure out how it's going to be received months ahead.
You're literally moronic.
Leave it to a cringedom sharts autist to be disconnected from the real world.
There's no need for the entire mobile market at ALL, and yet it still exists.
But I wouldn't expect a buzzword-spouting memehomosexual to understand that.
Was there ever any need for KHUX? It collapsed like a house of cards a year after KH3 came out, all of its uservase treated it as a stopgap title to tide them over until KH3. Even within the scope of mobile gaming no one fricking cares about KH branded shovelware, people would rather play better gacha like FGO, Genshin, Arknights, Blue Archive, twst, etc.
Wrong, KHUX went on for two more years after KH3, lasting five years in total. Including KHX, that's 8 years total for that series.
>better gacha like FGO, Genshin, Arknights, Blue Archive, twst, etc.
Fricking lmao
Most of the reception I saw when it was announced pretty much boiled down to
>fricking hell, another one?
I would say what went right for so long, the entire premise of the franchise is so ridiculous that I wouldn't believe it if it didn't exist already
This is what happens when you deceive your fans for years about making the game they've been waiting for decades, and then at the last moment tell them: "You know what? Frick it. Let's do ANOTHER one of the same shit instead!"
Frick Nomura.
Even if I live long to see him eventually decide to reboot Versus and even if it turns out to be the best videogame ever made, I will STILL pirate it.
This man does not deserve my money.
There is a limit to how much you can disrespect your fans.
>Nomura continued, speaking about the initial response to Yozora and Verum Rex, "There seems to be a lot of anticipation for VERUM REX overseas. When Yozora was first introduced in Kingdom Hearts 3, I got the impression that his reception was less than welcoming, but I guess that was not the case."
What gets me is Nomura making up random "MEANIES ON THE INTERNET SAID THAT YOZORA SUCKS" shit to slide back into his favorite victim complex and justify not making Verum Rex. Nevermind that most conversations about him were purely gameplay related anyway and fighting a hard boss frustrates people.
>pre-flopping
wtf does this mean?
Forspoken should be a good case study. Basically, there are major red flags associated with that game.
??????????????????????
What the frick does that mean? What's that gotta do with KH?
Missing Link looks like shit.
Oh, that's for sure. All mobile games look like shit. Ever Crisis looks like shit too.
What the frick does that have to do with Forspoken, though??
It looked like shit, too.
Am I the only one that thought this was sniper tf2 while glancing at the catalog?
KH was a product of its time
It's not the 2000s anymore everything has to be super srs 2 deep political commentary else its cringe or edgy
KH was never good, that's why it aged like milk. Nomura's writing was still cringe and gay back in the day.
Zoom zoom
KH1 is retro jank filled with minute cringegasms, it doesn't hold up.
Exhibit a
We see the zoomer exhibit his generations inability for suspension of belief
Video games don't age, moron
KH1 and KH2 were only popular because it was an RPG set in Disney worlds.
Played kh2 ages ago. Got tired of waiting. It released. I just didn't give a damn about the series anymore after such a long wait.
This post is so generic it might as well have been made by a bot.
Nomura can't hook new players on his brand of fantasy fentanyl, so he decided to drain KH addicts wallets dry by making them crave next dose of lore (mobile game) and turtle paced story progression (KH4).
buddy theres just been 0 news or footage recently
when the kh4 reveal did come out people were estatic.. whats your problem???
ssssh let them be mad
>kh3 was a massive disappointment after 15yrs of waiting
>the gameplay is inferior to kh2 and it failed as an end to its "arc" because the entire game was just a cliffhanger
>typical SE rubbed salt in the wound by having the vanilla game be incomplete and needing the true ending DLC that came out a year later
>typical SE shows prerendered tech demo for kh4 far too early, even the most devout fan that still cares know that this shit isnt coming for another 20 years
>even the most devout fan that still cares know that this shit isnt coming for another 20 years
Yeah, that's my only issue tbh. There's pretty much nothing KH-related to look forward to for at least a couple of years, cya then I guess
Especially since they so busy with the ff7 remilks. That and the general incompetence can set this game for a realistic date sometime in the mid to late 2030s. Even with all of the HD collection ports, no one left will give a shit
KH3 killed the series in many people's eyes, this is now a reboot.
>young xehanort being given time travel by heartless ansem to go forward in time and kill terra-nort splitting him into xemnas and ansem thus creating a closed time loop paradox to give young xehanort time travel in the first place
I should have jumped ship from this series so long ago
>nobodies look exactly like their original self...except for sora because reasons
>roxas actually venture ventures but he's sora's nobody. Let's never comment on the similarity when they bump into each other
>heartless are all black creatures...except for ansem because reasons
Remember when people thought that nobodies were convoluted?
Personally, I think KH's combat system has always been mediocre leaning on shit. Always felt very restrictive in what it allowed you to do, and just pressing X got old quickly. It felt like an action game that wanted to be treated like a JRPG
>Always felt very restrictive in what it allowed you to do
No offense anon, but I think you just suck.
Roxas had Vens heart. Hence the dool wheeld!
Oh, you dont know the half of it. Namine is sora's nobody from kairi's heart when sora killed himself in KH1. Roxas is sora's nobody from ventus' heart when sora killed himself in KH1.
Sora doesnt have a real nobody.
What is there to hype about a game that won't be out until at least 3 years from now?
Square Enix literally can't stop fricking up.
The series should've ended with 2
BBS wasn't trying to be a technical action game. It wanted to be a flashy masher with tons of options for an handheld and it's great at that. Of course it could easily be better but saying it's shit because it's not 2FM is moronic.
>it's great at that
bro
just walking around feels like absolute shit in that game
Nobody wanted a fricking Kingdom Hearts cinematic universe Phase 2 dragging on
for me it's recoded, and both bbs and ddd can frick off forever
KH4 reveal had fake HUD.
KH3 was revealed like 6 years before release so not worth hyping up 4.
I'm glad that shitty rhythm game killed the hype.
Kingdom Hearts 3 is a shit game on all fronts except for the Yozora fight at the very end. Yes it's worse than BBS and yes it's worse than DDD. BBS and DDD are shit game stoo but they at least have redeeming qualities, 3 has a single one right at the end of the game.
>at least have redeeming qualities
such as?
BBS had the story and the idea for the command deck is good, even if the execution isn't, DDD improves the command deck by letting you actually do shit in the air, Flowmo is fun and there are some half decent character moments, plus some of the Dream Eaters are cute. Not to mention that in DDD it's got big worlds done right. It's not much but these things put BBS and DDD above 3.
>BBS
>story
Lmao.
>DDD improves the command deck by letting you actually
very few commands can actually be used in the air, they either force you to drop to the ground or can't be linked into/out of combos
Coded is the only one that properly mixes commands in
I'm gonna be honest, after full playthroughs of everything over the past few months I still find it really hard to find even a single redeeming quality with DDD.
bros the real question is when is the series coming to steam??
this year surely....
>no trailers
>no one cares about mobage
I just realize KH3 was trying really hard to be KH2FM, with the anime(non-Disney shit)being at the end of the game and the game's ending having something similar to the pre-1000 heartless fight.
People who grew up with KH1+2 on the PlayStation 2 are adults now, and because of the wacky story that's impossible to make sense of unless you played every mainline game and every spinoff on every platform, getting into the series might be a bit daunting for the modern audience.
I didn't see a point in playing after 2 when they were all side games, each on different nintendo or sony consoles. The story was also wrapped up nicely in 2
god the gay doujins with him are fire
Where
like any site ever that has gay doujins, are u srs anon
I feel like we keep getting the same autist making this thread.
probably. could be a bot. if i was bored enough id totally set one up so i wouldnt have to keep looking for megaman threads so i can post the same image over and over
Every Square Enix related thread seems to be the same autists circle jerking the same thing.
looks kind of like roxas here
It's the layered jacket and red collar.
A little bit of the hair too.
Why does it look worse than Forspoken graphically?
Because its just a quick render to build a false sense of hype like Forspoken did for 3 years, stupid.
Forspoken graphics especially in cutscenes in the final game look better than the old trailers though
KH3 looked so good on luminous its unfair
>forBlack folk
>32GB for a PS3 game
what ps3 game looks like this? kh4 looks worse
>photo mode
Lololol, dont make me start posting them Bazzy
>posts low quality youtube screenshot resaved on mobile that isnt even a regular game screenshot
Dont make ME start posting it moron
When will you learn, pooBlack person?
>posts lq demo screenshot not even the actual game and looking out at the distance not even at the ground close up like the top shot
kys disingenuous lying moron
It's why you are forced to live on twitrer defending it, right bazzy?
He's right there, that dialog in FF6 there is more cringe than the forspoken line
So is literally any KH line
also Nort confirmed for KH4
The funny thing is in KH4 no model is even finished yet since its going to be in UE5 not 4 like the trailer.
>KH3 was shit
>Jewenix charged 30, THIRTY DOLLARS, for a shit DLC
>KH4 looks like shit
>FF element completely dead in the franchise
Remind me of what we should be hyped about?
>THIRTY DOLLARS
sounds better than the full price you had to pay for the final mixes
Imagine KH3 releasing on the PS3.
Since Sora is in another universe now, I hope they take the chance to axe all the Disney shit and go full KH/FF.
Literally zero chance of that happening since KH is first and foremost a Disney product that just happens to use some Square Enix characters and locations and is developed by them.
The only way I see Disney getting the full axe is is Square Enix buys the Kingdom Hearts rights away from Disney. And Square Enix is not smart enough to make a pitch.
There will never be be full FF world in KH. Nomura never gave a shit.
You want a serious answer?
Kingdom Heart's popularity took a hit because the continuous story kept on getting worse and worse writing the longer it went along. Dream Drop Distance really in particular made a lot of people angry with the convoluted time travel. And KH3 was the finale of every single game of the Dark Seeker Saga and man what a mess that was especially that whole subplot about reviving the dead using the power of waking and then Sora semi alternate reality time travels around to revive Kairi a second time because Xehanort killed her but not really but when Xehanort killed Eraqus he died for real but then you learn that in reality you can revive the dead or allow them to reincarnate and you get it, it's a fricking mess. People played and put up with all this trash hoping Kingdom Hearts 3 would bring closure. The peak popularity of KH ended with KH2. That was it. From there it spiraled downwards with each new release where the story and gameplay got worse.
And Nomura making it difficult to keep up with the series does NOT help. Scattering the games to random platforms and now mobiles? For a continuous story this kind of BS divides fanbases. I'm surprised that Kingdom Hearts lasted as long as it did because you don't see Square Enix's other pillar franchises handled like this. But ultimately all Nomura has done is divide and diminish the number of returning fans with each new release. By now the fanbase has shrunk to the point it's really not what it used to be. The number of people interested in Kingdom Hearts 4 are fewer and since Kingdom Hearts has always made itself difficult to get into? Newcomers don't care.
Nomura should be seen as an example of what NOT to do with a media property. And that's not even touching the worsening of the gameplay and how they ran out of GOOD Disney media.
The whole point of KH is Disney and Final Fantasy characters being thrown into a crazy scenario where you travel to different Disney worlds while cosplaying. Taking FF out of that equation entirely is fricking dumb. Also, the first game had a simple, touching story about friendship. Taking itself too seriously fricked the series hard.
>The whole point of KH is Disney and Final Fantasy characters
>and Final Fantasy characters
Nomura said that wasn't the case years ago.
I know. He was wrong. They purposely moved away from FF to focus on their own characters, I'm aware of that, but it was a stupid fricking move. The reason FANS cared was the crossover shit.
>Taking itself too seriously fricked the series hard.
wrong. it's the best thing the series did. the more serious the better. frick off.
KH3 was dogshit.
We knows they will already branch a bit with Star Wars and perhaps even Marvel, but I wonder if they will explore Disney cartoons and not just movies, which one would have the most potential?
You see how badly people are frothing at the mouth for Hogwartz? The same reaction will be all over the internet for KH4 once the Star Wars and Avengers shit is officially revealed.
Kh3 seemed to used the last of their generally liked series like frozen/tangled/big hero 6 but in this era of garbage like turning red/strange world, and their other movies that were just mediocre at best like soul/luca/onward. Theyll likely just reuse their classic worlds again like Hercules.
And yeah, theres no escaping the fact that the fans of thos game that still stuck around are going to be too old for this shit. Regular series would stike when the iron is hot but only SE is arrogant enough to think that their product is strong enough to keep people around after decades
The initial hook was Final Fantasy meets Disney. 20 years later and Final Fantasy is has degraded so far it's basically some niche franchise (and KH has basically dumped FF stuff entirely) and the Disney media empire is such a massive force in pop culture it being in a video game lost it's novelty and people are kinda sick of it in general. The ship has just sailed and all that's left is the the dwindling pre-existing fanbase.
This franchise is 21 years old.
Is the Verum Rex game still going to be a thing?
SE squandered their brands. FFXVI, FF7R2, KH4.
They'll all under perform.
Kinda what happens when you purge like 80% of the talent that made your company successful.
I warned every KH fan to stop eating shit and to fight back. But they didn't listen. This franchise will die and be shelved. KH3 sold below expectations. MOM flopped. KH4 is the final shot and it will flop. There is no hope for it. KH will be dead soon.
KH is Nomura's pet. It will continue as long as he's at the company.
>KH4
>soon
Acting like we won't see 10+ side games before the next numbered title. We still need
3.1
3.2
3.3
so on.
Kingdom Hearts 3.I4 (pronounced Pie)
>hype up the return of all the protagonists for years
>they all instantly job to Terranort
>problems in general seem to get fixed rather easily, Roxas just walks out of Sora
>too much vague foreshadowing for future games
>Sora's end is just dumb, Blazblue did the same thing a lot more effectively
do you think we’ll get any good porn out of kh4 since everyone and their mom said the trailer looked like an sfm video
KH3 kinda sucked; they wasted too much time constantly remaking the frozen and tangled words to be exact retellings of the movie.
It meant no actual story elements could take place, which left us with that awkward mess where the only things that mattered plot-wise happened in the final fricking world.
What even happened in the big hero 6 world? All I remember about it was 'Baymax but le evil'
oh its big hero 6? THATS also got some fantastic gay doujins as well
Riku Replica brought back Baymax from the void he got stuck in at the end of the movie and filled him with darkness as part of one of the true Orginization's experiments to bring back Xion and other people as replicas. He also makes him fight data cubes. Sora feels Roxas in his heart while bonding with Big Hero 6. And helps inspire them to be able to defeat the data cubes and dark baymax bringing him close to being a true hero as a bookends to the Olympus level. (And then in the end he really does become a hero by sacrificing himself) and Hiro gets 2 baymaxed back because of Sora too.
>tfw today I discovered KH was on pc
kh4 will be much better of a game because they are not fricking up the development for years tinkering with custom made engines and instead are just using unreal engine 5
The dlc also showed they can actually make good combat and i really hope the same team that did the dlc boss fights is working on kh4
I want a Owl House world
Gravity Falls or Phineas and Ferb worlds are more likely.
Me, I want a Tron Uprising world. Nomura is a big Tron fan.
>Phineas and Ferb
would be kino just for more Doofenshmirtz and him doing dumb shit leading to heartless.
The creators would be down to do it to.
At least from one comment he made, yes. But Disney owns the series and has pit out stuff without asking him, so if Nomura wanted to do it he might be able to.
Hirch still voice a lot of character so it would be a bit complicated
Star vs the force of evil, however....
how do you hate kingdom hearts
Hirch is a b***h and a terrible person who somehow never got called out, like for real, it's insane.
He's sees it as a cynical cash grab that smashes things together
just listened to the audio about him saying KH is an abomination and proves god doesn't exist. i never realized how much of a piece of shit that guy is. i hope him and the girl he was next to gets killed somehow. frick gravity falls. it'd be hilarious if disney ended up using it in KH just to spite him.
>i hope him and the girl he was next to gets killed somehow.
Bro calm down
>I hope this person who insulted KH gets killed along with the people in the immediate vicinity
add these two to the list
>Gravity Falls
Doesn’t the creator hate Kingdom Hearts?
MAYBE BECAUSE THE FRICKING FANBASE ARE, ON AVERAGE IN THEIR FRICKING T H I R T I E S NOW
Cute boy.
yes
It's not 2006 anymore
Honestly Kingdom Hearts was always kind of gay
>mobile game pre-flopping
I hope that incentives them to put that shit on PC and Console next time. That self insert in a magic world hype is mostly going to Hogwarts Legacy instead.
just look at that and ask if thats still KH
obviously
he cute. i might even play the games just to see more of that salami tsunami
>Hype up KH3 to be the ending of the Dark Seeker saga
>The game is more concerned with setting up the mystery boxes for the next ten games than making a satisfying conclusion
>People are no longer emotionally invested because telling a satisfying story has clearly become a lower priority than Nomura acting out his chuuni fantasies and Disney shilling their latest soulless cashgrabs
KH chads absolutely destroyed ankle-biting troons in this thread.
KINO thread
I think Re:CoM is still fun.
Because KH3 is souless
>15-year wait for 3, which was garbage
>story has gradually devolved in an incomprehensible, cringey clusterfrick
>gameplay was always flashy shit with no real substance backing it up
>original fanbase got older and grew out of it, while recent games failed to attract a new generation of younger players
There's you reason why
>gameplay was always flashy shit with no real substance backing it up
this is the only thing i disagree with, 2 and especially 1 have almost no flashy shit at all outside of 2's reaction commands for bosses and stuff. 1 in particular feels almost barren compared to later games specifically because combat is so un-flashy- you have attack, block, a couple magic types to move stuff around and four limits that don't even have fancy screen effects
>story has gradually devolved in an incomprehensible, cringey clusterfrick
DDD really fricked it with time travel. Then For some reason some of the org in KH3 volunteered to become nobodies again after being recompleted for seemingly no reason.
KH had already been hemmoraging fans since they made the story so convoluted and locked important story information behind handheld/mobile game shit that people understandably didn't want to play.
Then 3 came out, and was shit, it's no surprise that no ones excited for the next sequel.
kh3 took 17 years to release
kh4 has no hype cause we are 2 years in to another 17 year wait
wait until 2043 and we will be hyped af
The biggest asset they had that was COMPLETELY and UTTERLY squandered was everything that could have been done with the Final Fantasy side of the crossover. When Kingdom Hearts was first introduced half the appeal was seeing FF characters outside of their games. Nomura is such a hack he through people wanted to see more of his gay ass donut steal bullshit. FRICK them for wasting the FF cast and causing SHITsidia to be the main FF crossover shit.
nothing
I see Barry is now trying to cope after Forespoken flopped HARD
Steve stop posting immediately.
kek
there goes bob again
Fricking Paulie!
Fans are either too old and new fans will get too lost. Not to mention Nomura clearly wants to work on Verum Rex, which is what they should let him do but boomers bosses are moronic
Verum Rex would mean new fans, new ip, something anyome can get in, a potential new saga,etc.
Surprised Nomura won't quit seeing how they fricking gave Forspoken more attention than Verum Rex
>Zero hype
Lol. You guys really love to make shit up. The game was discussed everywhere for weeks. What? Did you think God Of War 2 also was a flop?
KH should have ended with 2. people lost interest much later than they should have.
Player > Sora tbqh
Nomura became a greedy moron and keeps adding backstories to backstories
Who would get excited after KH3?
Everyone who isn't a Ganker contrarian
I can only tolerate Star Wars if it’s the OG trilogy. RoTJ would fit very well for KH in fact. The sequels are awful and adaptibg RoTSith, the only decent prequel movie, to KH is impossible
Also any mainstream version of Spiderman before 2012 could be nice too
the prequels are fine for content. the clone wars would be a good setting for KH. it's just the movies that suffered from hayden's acting and lucas's flowery romance nonsense
>if it’s the OG trilogy
Basically confirmed already
I don’t want to get my hopes up. Getting the OG trilogy means Disney swallows their pride and admit they fricked up with the prequels
This shit has nothing to do with Disney themselves though. Nomura is just a huge Star Wars fan. It's surprising it's taken this long already.
Disney's death grip on how their characters were allowed to be portrayed ruined everyones enjoyment of the game. Sanitized israelite shit. Who the frick wants that?
Barry jumped to
to try and defend the flop he was shilling for over a year.
Let's got BTFO him some more
>reduced to shilling for Black person game garbage
That and WoW has made me believe he got actually mindbroken. I almost feel bad for him at this point, what a sad existence.
Jake, take meds.
Well that game is made by a team who KHgays claimed to have made “the best combat ever for an ARPG”
Stop being dumb, Paulie. This isn't a Barry thread.
Yozora's ending is kino
I'm more interested in Yozora than any other KH characters at this point.
I think KH4 may actually be about this. Come on a journey with me.
4 in Japanese and other asian cultures pronounced similarly to death so they're very superstitious of it even moreso than us and 13. QUADratum. The 104 building. The X and Kye throughout the series is Scalan for 4. Streletzia says Quadratum is an afterlife for people like her and Sora. (Strelitzia died and was brought back with a data copy somehow.) Hades in Dark Road mocks Xehanorts classmates for sugarcoating the word death with disappear and everyone on 3 says Sora will disappear and MoM says he will too. Versus 13 had lore about death.
Bros I'm so excited for KH4
The sixth wonder of Twilight Town...
underrated
Tiny feet
So... why did Soh ruh die at the end of KH3?
If you play the game it tells you.
See pic rel
KH 3 suffered from character bloat. KH 2 already wasn’t very good with it (Kairi has no impact, the Org members other than Roxas, Saix and Xemnas don’t do anything worthwhile etc.), but then KH 3 worsens this by adding two new trio characters, a new Org XIII (KH 2 focused on 8 of them), the ex-Org members that aren’t in the current Org XIII, mobile game characters etc. All of these made a fricking mess