Kill this Pokmon!

Safety Goggles, Paralyzed, Sturdy Shedinja into a Substitute gained through a Baton Pass.

How would you kill him?

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Knock Off Tyranitar

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Substitute says hi.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Knock Off breaks the Substitute then I can just use Knock Off again.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sturdy enters the chat.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Knock Off still gets rid of the Safety Goggles and Ttar's sandstorm ignores full hp Sturdy.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    How do you paralyze it?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's an hypothetical scenario.

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Infiltrator Crobat with Toxic

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      How Crobat can damage the Substitute?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's already paralyzed speedreader

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Perish Song or Mold Breaker + Multi Hit Attack

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mold Breaker Haxorus with Snarl

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    1. Place Stealth Rock
    2. Use Roar
    3. Shedinja has now lost Sturdy and Substitute and will die on next switch in

    Roar is a sound-based move and hits through Substitute. Alternatively hit him with a supereffective attack to break the Substitute, then use Leech Seed or Infestation.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Safety Googles..

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Safety Goggles protects from powder and spore-based moves, and the effects of harmful weather. NOT entry hazards. That's what Heavy-Duty Boots do.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/696959-pokemon-x/69779849?page=1

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    spikes

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gastro Acid/Entrainment users

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Substitute to the face

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    if it has Sturdy then it doesn't have Wonder Guard? i press Ember two times?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      You have to KO it in a single turn

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This won't work because Sturdy keeps you at 1 HP if you would otherwise take a KO from a move at full HP. Shedinja's max HP is 1, so it sets it back to max HP again, letting Sturdy activate again and again. A Sturdy Shedinja has to be killed indirectly, or Sturdy bypassed.

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why wouldn't Mold Breaker work?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It will work, Sturdy is an ability that Mold Breaker ignores.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    name: Defensive Pivot (level 1)
    move 1: Baton Pass
    move 2: Pain Split
    move 3: Whirlpool
    move 4: Safeguard / Recycle / Endeavor
    item: Safety Goggles / Lum Berry
    ability: Sturdy
    nature: Brave
    evs:
    ivs: 0 Def / 0 SpD / 0 Spe

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Perish song?

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/balanced-hackmons-suspects-and-bans-thread.3588586/

    While I acknowledge that this mon can be annoying with Sturdy, there are many effective tools to manage it including (but not limited to)
    Status
    Hazards
    Mold Breaker
    Partial Trapping (e.g. Infestation, Fire Spin)
    Ability Suppression e.g. Gastro Acid, Entrainment, (NEW) Core Enforcer
    Other residual damage (e.g. Curse, Sandstorm, Rocky Helmet)
    NEW: Ability-ignoring moves e.g. Sunsteel Strike, Moongeist Beam

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    multi-hit moves

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Basically. Just need 3 hits (1 for the Sub, 1 for Sturdy, 1for the KO)

      So any mon with Skill Link + a Multi-Hit that isn't Normal or Fighting Type, Loaded Dice + Multi-hit, Triple Axel or Surging Strike.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Basically. Just need 3 hits (1 for the Sub, 1 for Sturdy, 1for the KO)

      So any mon with Skill Link + a Multi-Hit that isn't Normal or Fighting Type, Loaded Dice + Multi-hit, Triple Axel or Surging Strike.

      This also won't work. Study won't activate for multi-hit moves if the hit Pokemon isn't at full HP, but Shedinja has 1 HP, and so will always be at full HP. Every hit will activate Sturdy.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Frick.

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    GMax Wildfire twice

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Any Pokemon with access to Curse since it can bypass substitute and ignores sturdy. Next question

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      *Any ghost type pokemon with curse

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Go Snorlax!
      >Snorlax used Curse!
      >Snorlax's Attack and Defense rose! Snorlax's Speed dropped!

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can't Infiltrator Crobat with Confuse Ray kill it?

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Infiltrator Moongeist Beam.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Won't work. Moongeist Beam only ignores abilities if called directly, and no Pokemon that can have Infiltrator can learn Moongeist Beam. Calling it via Metronome or Mimic won't break Sturdy.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        So? You're ignoring the fact that it's a pure hypothetical. I've presented a solution.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Your solution just introduces more problems. Just have Lunala or Dawn Wings Necrozma use Moongeist Beam twice and it's done. No need for Infiltrator.

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Um... excuse me, but didn't Smogon ban Substitute? This situation can never happen then

  21. 4 months ago
    Brett

    *leech seeds u*

  22. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    mold breaker, ez

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