>I'm so glad caves are back in 4.
they look the same as the 'caves' in pikmin 3 though, not like the rng caves from 2.. people need to stop saying "caves are back" when it is literally just handcrafted underground areas like in 3
They're 2 caves bro. But they have actual puzzles and stuff in them and don't seem randomly generated so they'll be better.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>don't seem randomly generated so they'll be better.
Btu random generation helped give 2 a ton of replayability
11 months ago
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I feel like the random generation In 2 didn't really alter the levels in any meaningful way that would boost replayability? It just makes the level design feel homogeneous.
In fact it's probably why so many breakable walls lead to nothing.
Literally all you need are Purples, Whites, and Blues.
Purples can kill everything
Whites to spot treasure
Blues for water
Any pikmin type can destroy any elemental hazard generator (yes even poison)
Yeah, I’ve been just resetting any time I lose any pikmin in the caves. It’s kind of annoying how fragile these things are and how many times I’ve lost a whole bunch of them just because they get distracted by something in the heat of battle.
Yeah, I’ve been just resetting any time I lose any pikmin in the caves. It’s kind of annoying how fragile these things are and how many times I’ve lost a whole bunch of them just because they get distracted by something in the heat of battle.
Are you moronic anon? The most optimal way to play is not the safest way to play, that takes way too long and not how the game is designed. Pikmin are easy to make and easy to lose, and if you really frick up a day badly enough you are allowed to rewind time and try the whole day again.
Sure, you can choose to do an autism challenge if you feel like it after you know the game inside and out, but don't blame the develpers for your autism.
>Can extinguish his flames by luring him into water >Reignites immediately if he's a centimeter back on land
I ultra spicy + ultra bitter spray these frickers everytime.
The C-stick got a lot more use back in the Gamecube games. Using it would group your Pikmin up, and you could direct them around with it. Using it let you swing the pikmin around to avoid enemy attacks, or keep them roughly lined up to avoid water and fire hazards. They'd done away with that in Pikmin 3, where the second stick was camera control and you just had to rely on your pikmin following you around to not accidentally step in the wrong thing. Pikmin 3 had a lot more open space so this was less of a concern, though.
I'm not sure how the remakes handled the C-stick issue.
Their pathing is improved after the first game. But for Pikmin 1, you have to be careful manipulating large groups of pikmin through relatively small spaces. Remember to use your c-stick.
As for general management, the game is basically an RTS with a controller. I feel like keyboard and mouse support would help the series.
They sure do like splashing around in the water.
Remember that whistles are only for emergencies, so don't blow it while they're playing. Let them have their fun.
I’m really hoping that you can upgrade your pikmin type capacity
The way I see it oatchi is there to better accommodate the caves and potentially solve any issues down there, since 2 had a ton of problems making the cave system unfun and tedious
In the overworld though, they had it right in the last few games, so to go back and limit types will just be a big inconvenience
I don’t want to run back and swap out a type for rocks just because there’s suddenly an obstacle I can’t break
We've seen things with different capacities so I would assume at least that is upgradable.
With an apparent focus on it it wouldn't be out of the question.
See I have my doubts because they specifically mention the limit as if it were a feature. They never bring up the 30 pikmin cap because that can change but I feel like the 3 type limit is a constant
In fact, I am a little worried by the fact they try to alleviate the problem by cutely remarking "the rest will hang back until you need them." as if they're trying to counter backlash
I guess there's no telling until the game comes out but I am concerned
I've kept a secret emergency stash of $2500 in my copy of Pikmin 2 for several years. I have several such stashes but I thought I'd share given you posted my favorite cash stash box.
god rock, ice and ghost pikmin are fricking abhorrent looking
was it really such a fricking task to come up with plant/natrure related ways to be hard, glow and solidify water?
Sounds way better even if the idea itself seems like a shitpost. Maybe instead of throwing them you slide/bowl them across the ground or they can stack or something.
11 months ago
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It's not a shitpost, it was an idea inspired by that Pokémon with an Ice Cube head.
Now we're talking, or in a vertical more smooth crystal shape. Make them a bit taller so they're cuter in a gangly way
Yeah, but it should definetely had a shape that reminded an Ice Cube, or a popsicle.
rick pikmin are kino
ice is just okay
I do not like glow pikmin at all.
Yeah, the glow one is hard to suspend the disbelif. The glow can be explained by radiation, but how does it float? Maybe it has a lot of air bubbles inside its cells, that has plasmoid characteristics to keep it together and gelatinous at the same time.
Play Pikmin 1+2 emulated if you have issues with money. Either emulate or buy Pikmin 3 Deluxe.
I will get 1+2 physical because I like to collect Pikmin games.
What's the story behind the image? I like my ALL UNITS but I remember being unable to get Pikmin when it first started showing up in magazines, and now when I finally decided to get a new console Pikmin 4 gets announced.
Given that is has Chad in the image, it's certainly something recent for Pikmin 4. It wasn't around when Pikmin 1 came out, or even when Pikmin 3 was released.
you live in an age where people have given up entirely on real life and spend their days wasting away in front of their computers, why does this of all things surprise you?
We are in the dark ages of the RTS games, Stormgate was supposed to revive the genre but it's just a worst StarCraft. Pikmin is only getting better, though.
Hot take, the original 7 Pikmin types are kino as frick in the trilogy (not including the special case Pikmin) but Glow and Ice Pikmin in 4 are shitty, superpowered, elemental fantasy creatures and don't fit with the previous gameplay philosophy of how Pikmin are designed in the series. Ice Pikmin instantly freeze enemies and water they touch like magic spells and Glow Pikmin give you the ability to fire these gigantic energy balls from nowhere like an anime special move. Not to mention their appeareance is right out of Luigi's Mansion and makes no sense as a natural evolution just like it makes no sense for a Pikmin's body to be covered in pure ice.
TLDR: Pikim used to be defined by their limitations and how they natually evolved as a species, yes even Rock Pikmin fit this pattern since their hard shells only superficially resemble rocks, while nuPikmin is about feeling powerful and doing over the top shit with your army.
TLDR:Old Good, New Bad.
>Ice Pikmin aren't really that crazy,
What kind of creature can instantly freeze things into a block of ice by touching them anon? This is outside the realm of good science ficiton and turns into X-Men style capeshit.
The designs of the pikmin have gradually gotten worse certainly. The ENTIRE point of their design is that they're meant to look like root vegetables. Carrots, you know. That's why they have stems and leaves and you pluck them from the ground, like vegetables. >Pikmin 1: Creatures that resemble root-vegetables >Pikmin 2: Creatures that resemble root-vegetables (and a parasite) >Pikmin 3: A literal fricking rock (winged pikmin are okay) >Pikmin 4: A chunk of ice and a glowy will-o-wisp thing
Tell me WHY a fricking rock or a piece of ice or a ghost would have a stem with leaves and flowers? Plucking a piece of ice out of the ground makes no sense whatsoever. The pikmin went from "plant-like root vegetable creatures" to "things with stems on their heads"
Anon, did you read the end of the paragraph? Rock Pikmin are not actually rocks. They have soft hands and feet which is your first clue. They are like any animal that has a hard shell around their bodies to protect them.
I know they are not literal rocks bro. "Ohhh it's a calcified shell" I know dude, but the fact remains that it doesn't look like a pikmin. It looks like a rock. Your argument about animals with hard shells doesn't work when Pikmin 3 has ACTUAL animals with hard shells that look completely natural. Rock pikmin don't look like pikmin with shells, they look like rocks.
And according to the new Japanese website they're actually a pikmin which "parasitizes" rocks probably piloting them for nutrients and shit.
And root vegetables don't have eye and arms and legs
Gonna say pikmin don't actually look like vegetables now because they have personified features?
moron
11 months ago
Anonymous
Pikmin look like little funny men with stems
Your complaints are silly, and you’re very stupid
11 months ago
Anonymous
>T-They don't look like vegetables actually!
lol
Keep moving your goalpost it's funny
11 months ago
Anonymous
I never moved any goalposts
You are an angry little man
11 months ago
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11 months ago
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And?
Rocks probably look like vegetables to them too
11 months ago
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>
11 months ago
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Successfully mindbroken
11 months ago
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Even if they don't, they see bug eyes and a leaf sprouting out of their head, what the frick else are they going to call it?
>Hot take
Not at all. I agree with you. Ice Pikmin were one of my most wanted Pikmin types and I imagined them as cyan-colored Piks that could tolerate colder regions and if an enemy ate them, they'd induce paralysis and slow them down, with said ailment slowly getting weaker the more piks they ate.
Essentially they'd be a utility pikmin that you'd have to use in colder regions that the other pikmin couldn't traverse in.
Glow Pikmin, I don't like much. They could have just been Pikmin with bioluminescence who couldn't tolerate sunlight, or just green pikmin. They could have just made them cyan and green pikmin with said traits and that would be fine. Like you said, they're leaning too much into the fantasy aspect. Reminds me of the Animal Crossing fans who brought out how the villagers don't wear horns anymore to blend in with the animal villagers and especially the issue with Isabelle. Good post.
this is funny since we're on completely different pages, i really didn't care for the icemin at all back in february because they just looked like overpowered rockmin clones and i already thought rocks like dopey and stupid to begin with. meanwhile i actually genuinely really like how the glow pikmin look even though they're singlehandedly responsible for destabilizing multiple south american countries and they're the first new pikmin design i've really liked in a while. i don't know how they work from an evolutionary standpoint and i hate that they're exclusive to the disappointing-looking night mode but i like ghosts, sue me
i was surprised that __arlo__ of all people echoed some of my complaints but here they are anyway - the deep fried ANGERY enemies feel really unnecessary when all we really wanted were creepy unique enemies that only come out at night, and night "expeditions" being a tower defense minigame is lame as frick when we could've had proper night exploration. i'm not even sure if you need to do them to beat the game actually, they just seem like some optional thing you can ask some ugly castaway at base camp to do rather than it being part of a full day/night cycle or something. just not really sure if i like the angle they're going for
is my game glitched? they won't pick this fricker up
if a treasure is skewed like that in pikmin 1, i THINK it'll reset near where you left it if you come back for it the next day, but as with everything else in 1 it's weird and glitchy, so it could snap out of bounds if you're really unlucky. you'll probably be fine, but worst case scenario you can always just replay that specific day
>i really didn't care for the icemin at all back in february because they just looked like overpowered rockmin clones and i already thought rocks like dopey and stupid to begin with.
I'm okay with Rockmin but Icemin are genuinely disappointing to me and I wanted them for ages once again. Seeing all the bulbs in 1's ending got me excited for more Pikmin games with new Pikmin and 4 is the first time I'm not really excited for a Pikmin game. I almost forgot it even existed.
>4 is the first time I'm not really excited for a Pikmin game
i'm jaded and i've ben disappointed by some of the stuff we've seen too, BUT consider the fact that we're getting caves and treasures again. that's singlehandedly keeping me excited along with the return of so many enemies from 1 + 2, plus the new areas look like they'll be fun to frick around in even though i'm still iffy on how pristine all of the manmade stuff looks
11 months ago
Anonymous
>spoiler
I think them leaning so hard into the manmade stuff is a mistake. The treasures and layouts of 2 were one thing, but a pristine living room/kitchen is another. Pikmin 1 and 2 felt abandoned, like whoever built this stuff is long gone.in Pikmin 4 you'd swear humans were still running around
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's an AI doing that. You'll all see, the AI is messing with time and is crating the caves/stuff we see.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Would be cool if the final boss of the pikmin franchise is some ambiguously benevolent AI that has been carrying for a thousands of years.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, and we know that there are AIs that fuses with the creatures to create a symbiotic lifeform. It's some creature crafting the caves or an AI trying to restore the world according to its data bank. I bet on that
11 months ago
Anonymous
i remember wanting to see a house level or an urban environment of some kind in pikmin 4 so this is actually entirely my fault, sorry everyone
the thing is, they can technically do whatever they want with the Pikmin Lore™ since they never explicitly said pnf-404 was post-apocalyptic earth, but being able to run around in a totally clean, powered house that people are probably still living in completely shatters that mystery, which sucks because strange unexplainable phenomena was always part of what made pikmin so atmospheric. the only immediate saving grace i can think of is that all of the indoor house-themed caves are probably going to be cool as hell
Going underground into dank areas already cover that basis.
Plus the entire 'lore' up to this point as to why you couldn't stay at night was because of how hostile it was, so getting upset that the enemies are extra agressive seems weird. Also you DO get to see actual juvenile bulbous at night for the first time which is cool. If you ask me it's the best way they could've implemented it.
>getting upset that the enemies are extra agressive seems weird
you're misreading my complaint, i'm not b***hing about the enemies being aggressive at night, rather that they flanderized it to the point where they just have big cartoony glowing red eyes which looks fricking stupid, and that we're just seemingly just fighting creatures we've already fought before instead of new nocturnal species. the grown up bulborb larvae are cool though, i was waiting for someone to acknowledge those
You can control him separately or give him orders, and he can throw pikmin. He's pretty much another captain. He also has his own seperate upgrades from the player character.
didn't notice that oatchi's hud icon is highlighted there but i'm still confused. is he actually controllable or can you only order him to do stuff? can he do everything a captain can or is he limited to doing things like throwing pikmin? god i still don't understand what the purpose of him is. it feels like the devs made oatchi to solve a problem they created for themselves, they gave us every pikmin type but they knew they couldn't balance it so they limited the squad size and number of active types on the field in addition to only giving us one captain... but they didn't want to actually make the game feel like pikmin 1, so they gave us a marketing committee-approved dog that's half-pikmin, half-captain but not quite as useful as either of them. mindboggling
11 months ago
Anonymous
Pikmin two has literally Duracell bateries, Nivea skin care products, Nintendo videogames, a manhole, pencils, vases and a road with a crosspath. It was always earth.
11 months ago
Anonymous
not anymore :^)
11 months ago
Anonymous
the complaint isn't that it's earth, it's that it's not post-apocalyptic
>b-but glutton's kitchen
not even remotely similar to a fully furnished pristine house with working electricity
11 months ago
Anonymous
I've developed an autism theory that it's an alternate universe sequel to pikmin 1's bad ending , where this is the "Pikmin Olimar" and in this time line the world was always still inhabited you just land in wilderness areas in pikmin 1. Was there any obvious signs that humanity was long gone in pikmin 1?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Geiger counter ship part constantly going apeshit
11 months ago
Anonymous
there's that ramune bottle in the forest navel but otherwise pikmin 1 doesn't really have a lot of manmade stuff in it. the bad ending theory is interesting but not explicitly confirmed yet, this could very well just be some weird doppelganger or olimar after being infected by the bulbmin parasite or something. it''ll be kind of depressing no matter where they go with it even though red pikmin olimar looks like fricking animal from the muppets
11 months ago
Anonymous
There were also the rusty cans and pipes bomb rocks could be found in as well as the cardboard boxes you had to push.
11 months ago
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Only the Geiger counter, implying high doses of radiation.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah , I reread your argument. But there is something very strange and off, there are no humans. Why is that? I have a theory that it was built by another force, not humans.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Controlling the Oatchi is kinda nonsensical, it would be better to just use a captain. Ideally we should've directed here with orders.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But then you wouldn't get the good boi pupperino!
11 months ago
Anonymous
We should only direct him though, not control.
11 months ago
Anonymous
He is controllable, you can see the THROW indicator in that image and the player character isn't anywhere in sight. He's your Louie in this game.
Also this whole hatred because he's a dog is really forced.
If he had a leaf on his head and they called him a bulborb you'd be frothing at the mouth. There are people in this thread begging for Bulbmin to come back when Oatchi is literally that.
It's not like they even invented dogs for this game, it was a thing in the very first game. Don't like him fine, just stop calling him reddit, Jesus christ.
11 months ago
Anonymous
but the donbari guys gets a dog that actually looks like a bulbmin :~~*(
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Also this whole hatred because he's a dog is really forced.
Not forced, what's forced is putting dogs into things because dog lovers are fanatical. Me, I'm not a fan of dogs. >If he had a leaf on his head and they called him a bulborb you'd be frothing at the mouth.
Yes. >There are people in this thread begging for Bulbmin to come back when Oatchi is literally that.
No. >just stop calling him reddit
go back if it irritates you so much
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Also this whole hatred because he's a dog is really forced
um sorry... but inshallah he will be baked soon because he fricking sucks
There were also the rusty cans and pipes bomb rocks could be found in as well as the cardboard boxes you had to push.
those show up so often that i have no idea how i forgot about them
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's just, the game seems to be trying a bit too hard with Oatchi
I can't count how many times he was called a "good boy" in the 4 minute trailer
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's a kids game anon
11 months ago
Anonymous
>muh forced dogversity
can you shut up about oatchi already
11 months ago
Anonymous
Going underground into dank areas already cover that basis.
Plus the entire 'lore' up to this point as to why you couldn't stay at night was because of how hostile it was, so getting upset that the enemies are extra agressive seems weird. Also you DO get to see actual juvenile bulbous at night for the first time which is cool. If you ask me it's the best way they could've implemented it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>the deep fried ANGERY enemies feel really unnecessary when all we really wanted were creepy unique enemies that only come out at night
You aren't wrong about that much.
I've wondered about the mysterious night ever since I was a kid and it's just, hyper-aggressive bulborbs
We haven't seen the red section of the night part yet. I'm hoping that will be the nightmare fuel era to finish off the night
>i really didn't care for the icemin at all back in february because they just looked like overpowered rockmin clones and i already thought rocks like dopey and stupid to begin with.
I'm okay with Rockmin but Icemin are genuinely disappointing to me and I wanted them for ages once again. Seeing all the bulbs in 1's ending got me excited for more Pikmin games with new Pikmin and 4 is the first time I'm not really excited for a Pikmin game. I almost forgot it even existed.
Pikmin 3 does not fit into "old" in your old good new bad. If you like rock pikmin (which are themselves nuPikmin, as you put it) and you don't like ice/glow pikmin I think you must be underage and nostalgiablind. In terms of pikmin design and what we saw in the trailers 4 is just more of 3 in terms of visual design.
Such a legend. He composed Molgeras theme in Wind Waker and all the bangers in Starfox 64. IIRC Pikmin 2 had some really good music too, like Wistful Wilds.
Love the games but dunno about paying $60 for compared to another new game with more replay value over time.
Will it be like the other Switch games that get emulated immediately?
deserts are defined by amount of precipitation so we have no way of knowing. it's just some arid shithole with no civilization around that makes a good place for a spaceport.
>flys around >???? >just there to troll
what the frick is his problem? they are pretty tanky for such a small creature too.
new japanese website:
さらったピクミンは、食べずに投げ捨てる。一説では、花を咲かせて、そのミツを吸うためと考えられている。
Snatched pikmin aren't eaten, they're thrown away. One theory is that they make the flowers bloom in order to suck up their honey.
I'n playing Pikmin 2 on Switch right now, first time after likfe 15 years. I remembered the man-at-legs but that didn't stop me from getting my whole group holocausted.
Had to make another trip in with yellow Pikmin to throw on it. Used a bitter spray and immediately when it wears off the fricker starts firing with zero warning, again killing half the group.
I also kept trying to fight bulborbs like in Pikmin 3 where you can make them flinch by throwin Pikmin at their eyes. Result here is that my red Pikmin are now close to extinction.
>my red Pikmin are now close to extinction.
So? Red pikmin are expendable, their lives mean nothing. Only purples and whites have value, and even then whites aren't that important
Hide the group with one captain behind the metal structures then take a smaller fleet with the second captain when he stop firing. As soon as he stops moving and opens up to fire again RUN.
Planting your pikmin means you can let them grow to the flower phase, so they're nice when you have a bunch of leaf pikmin. You could also just land a few pikmin on it - yellows were the easiest due to being thrown higher - and them swarm your pikmin over it when it fell to the ground. There would generally be enough pikmin to knock it back down once it tried to take off again.
Mamuta was better at planting pikmin since it did this job faster, and (in Pikmin 1) was close to your landing site anyway.
>Pikmin is slowly but surely building up towards a full on colonization of PN-404 >The next game will have you building and defending a permanent settlement with the Pikmin.
I've been thinking the same thing bro I check the catalog and smile. For all the years this series remains relatively chill. After this new release a lot of new fans are coming so enjoy this while it lasts.
My gf finished Pikmin 1 yesterday for the first time. She managed to deliver the final ship part with literally less than one second left (the 0 was about to disappear)
She wanted to make sure I include the fact she's a Warcraft 3 players so you can appropriately dunk on WC3 players for not finishing 100% in under 30 days.
She collected all parts within the last moment of the final day?
Nice clutch. I got the bad end the first time I played though I did defeat Emperor Bulblax, I just didn't collect all the crucial parts.
>I got the bad end the first time I played though I did defeat Emperor Bulblax, I just didn't collect all the crucial parts.
No you didn't. Final Trial doesn't unlock until you've collected all 29 ship parts.
One aspect I love about Pikmin was that you never knew what you'd run into. I remember always feeling really anxious about going into caves in Pikmin 2. First time running into those electric beetles was traumatic thought they were just some random enemy, look away and then hear the sound of half my pikmin dying, was wary ever since lol. Also got ptsd from the water wraith and man at legs.
>got a yellow Pikmin stuck under a bridge over water but it somehow glitched out where it thought it was on top of the bridge too >Perpetual drowning noises for the rest of the day
Frick being eaten is there a worse fate for a pikmin
>Used to dread fighting these fricks in Pikmin 1 >can now reliably swarm these fricks now with zero deaths in the switch port
I wasn't expecting these guys to get a nerf, but I appreciate it since that hitbox was annoying
While I udnerstand people having a few issues with the 2 port, the 1 port is the definitive verison without a doubt now. Fixed crushing glitch FINALLY, fixed the worst hitboxes and cheap deaths, and has all the Pikmin 2 improvements from New Play Control! as well as a better camera and motion controls. And the game looks crisp as frick in HD too.
Seijin is alien in Japanese
So people from Koppai are Koppai Seijin
Oppai Seijin is a common nickname for girls with big boobs.
Did Pikmin 3 really go there?
>its just a bit short innit?
NTA but the challenge mode more than makes up for the shortness of the campaign, also even though the campaign is short it's much more complex than pikmin 1
pikmin 1 is barely more than a tech demo designed to be failed the first playthrough through.
>its just a bit short innit?
NTA but the challenge mode more than makes up for the shortness of the campaign, also even though the campaign is short it's much more complex than pikmin 1
Challenge mode is really good in 3, and the battlebingo is also excellent. I really enjoy downloading 3 romhacks that add challenge maps to play.
11 months ago
Anonymous
1 is really easy and impossible to fail if you are more than 10 years old
11 months ago
Anonymous
i should clarify that *nintendo* designed it to be failed the first time through, but they only make games for babies.
I'm hoping so as Bulbmin would make sense to return given the three type limit but the dog pretty much takes their purpose unless it can do something the dog doesn't.
>pikmin 1 >we must leave at night because the planert is rife with nocturnal predators >pikmin 4 >we must leave at night because EVIL DEMON ENERGY INFECTS THE WILDLIFE
i miss when pikmin was sci-fi instead of fantasy
The glowing eyes are an abstract anon, they are not literally being possessed by demons
>pikmin 1 >we must leave at night because the planert is rife with nocturnal predators >pikmin 4 >we must leave at night because EVIL DEMON ENERGY INFECTS THE WILDLIFE
>we must leave at night because the planert is rife with nocturnal predators
It was always the same enemies except more aggressive and in wider numbers so it's continuing that trend.
I just got the Switch ports and I was astounded at how fast and easy the first game is. When I was a kid it was something I would occasionally start from the beginning, play a couple of hours each day, get my mind blown by the bird snake thing, and eventually stop playing at the distant spring because it was too hard. Now I beat the whole game 30/30 in just over three hours. I didn't even really enjoy that much either because of how finicky it is, Pikmin always getting stuck behind corners, deciding to start plucking grass or pick up pellets in the middle of combat, etc. Pikmin 2 is seeming a little better, I like that the squad seems programmed to tighten around you automatically along narrow paths. I don't enjoy how basic and meaningless the random path generations in caves are so far, it doesn't look promising. I don't see the enjoyment in having to continously destroy fire traps or poison traps as if that's meant to be a puzzle in itself or something, it's just padding. Maybe they get more complex later on.
no. pikmin 3 was a solid entry and the three captains/koppad multitasking was a feature that fundamentally changed the way you played the game. arguably pikmin 3 has the best multitasking gameplay of any of them, though i would prefer to have gcn-style pikmin control back.
No, I’ve always disliked 2 since I beat it years ago
I don’t watch video essays, and I never accuse people of shitting on something because they watched a video about it
Pikmin 2 and 3 are both different sequels to Pikmin 1.
2 takes everything and just adds more, more, more, bigger and more everything.
3 takes it and removes all the jank, all the unpolished shit, and refines what's left over.
Pikmin 4 is a true sequel to Pikmin 2.
I heard Pikmin 3 deluxe fixes a lot of issues, but I was really disappointment with the removal of the c-stick & piklopedia. Plus the game was too short.
Deluxe not only has the Piklopedia, each item has all five captains comments on it each focusing on different aspects. For a Bulborb for example, Olimar has a scientific description and classification, Louie has cooking instructions, Charlie has battle tactics, and I don't remember what Alph and Brittany focused on.
Yeah, I heard about that, good choice on them, but why wasn't it in the original game? They are NINE YEARS of development. Also I heard they just reused Olimar & Louie notes from 2.
Swarming was really only a necessity because the pikmins AI was so shitty they would just go into hazards or fall off bridges/ledges if you didn't steer them into the right direction.
3s pikmin don't do that and will automatically stay close to you and avoid trouble. And when did you want to swarm in the past games? When you wanted to bumrush enemies, and the Charge function already does that faster.
They improved that function a lot in the 3DX port and I'm assuming that improved version was just them porting what will be in 4 to 3.
Charge is definitely better than swarm. I especially like that if you charge an object, only the exact number of Pikmin needed to carry it will do so and the excess will return.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know if I like it, because if you think about it, it's not like the Pikmin would understand how many you ordered to carry the item, it's nice from a QoL perspective though.
Charge is definitely better than swarm. I especially like that if you charge an object, only the exact number of Pikmin needed to carry it will do so and the excess will return.
I'm not fond of the lock on mechanic, it just simplifies and takes away the combat strategy from the earlier games.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I mean 3 was the game that actually introduced enemy weak points, in the past games you could get away with just chucking away at an enemy anywhere.
>And when did you want to swarm in the past games?
picking up multiple bodies and treasures quickly, manuervering in combat, maneuvering in general. It's loss removed control form the player and it's bullshit
I really don't see how 2 isn't better than 1 in nearly every way.
Far more content and enemies and places to explore. Not to mention the motherfricking piklopedia.
>2 takes everything and just adds more, more, more, bigger and more everything.
You mean it removes the time limit and made everything have less weight to it. Who gives a shit that I lost all my Pikmin, I can literally get them all back with no issue. On top of removing the cool sciencey logs at the end of days to add in stupid bullshit like your wife bragging about shoes.
The first game had a better atmosphere, you crash land on a planet you had no idea about and had to escape before the time limit was up. Second game is all about looting the corpse.
>Who gives a shit that I lost all my Pikmin, I can literally get them all back with no issue.
You can do that in every game just by restarting the day. The time limit in 1 is negligible, if you've ever played a video game before you'll get all 30 treasures with time to spare.
And 2 has the piklopedia so the end of day shit doesn't even matter.
>You can do that in every game just by restarting the day
Okay, but the difference is that I had to do everything in that day again. Not that I ever restarted the day.
>time limit in 1 is negligible
Not to me it wasn't. I didn't have to restart, but it added a sense of urgency that the second game just plain doesn't have.
>Not to me it wasn't. I didn't have to restart, but it added a sense of urgency that the second game just plain doesn't have.
I played 1 for the first time yesterday, I finished the game day 20 with every ship part, and around 300 pikmins each color.
You simply were a kid back then
I'm playing 2 right now, the game is miles better and slightly harder
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You simply were a kid back then
Mate, I played the game on the Wii for the first time a few years ago.
>slightly harder
Only on the small-scale combat level. Not on the entire adventure level. In 2 I can fail combat and get all my pikmin killed as many times as I want AND CONTINUE PLAYING WITHOUT RESTARTING ANYTHING. The same cannot be said for 1.
I bought 3 on day 1 and I remember beating the campaign in 2 sittings. I hardly played mission mode because a good portion of it was locked behind a paid dlc during the time. It really left a bad taste for me, plus I was never motivated to play them because I felt no since of progression.
>Being short and replayable is good.
Yeah, but paying a full $60 game for an arcade experience is not my cup of tea.
Bro the first game is literally like 3 hours long. Do you only like 2 or something?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I like 1 and I like all pikmin games (not sure about hey pikmin), but I was talking about 3. Pikmin 2 was made in 3 years and look at the amount of content it has.For a sequel that took 9 years, I expected more than what we got.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Pikmin 2 is the epitome of quantity over quality
11 months ago
Anonymous
>introduced enemy weak points.... you could get away with just chucking away at an enemy anywhere.
But the older games had enemies with weak points.
11 months ago
Anonymous
meant for
I mean 3 was the game that actually introduced enemy weak points, in the past games you could get away with just chucking away at an enemy anywhere.
>Brittany is everyone's favorite kawaii captain who sneaks the most juice for herself and sounds cute when you throw her and switch to her >alph is put into ultimate as an alt skin for olimar instead of her
????
>lots of echos are added to smash >alph is the only character who remains being a weird alt >was even planned to be an echo with rock pikmin and all
pikmin's just way too niche for sakurai to care unfortunately...
I do wonder if the Koppaites will show up in 3. After saving their planet they’d be pretty qualified for a rescue mission to the same planet again right?
>never played a Pikmin game in my whole life >seeing a handful of passionate fans talking about Pikmin 4 makes me curious >see that Pikmin 3 has a demo on the switch >Play it >Understand the appeal and really enjoy it >Realize I want more but I'm broke and all I have is a voucher left
Frick real life problems and frick the fans for hooking me up on this beautiful series. Now I want to play all the games but the best I can do is get Pikmin 4.
>Traveling >prostitutes
You lost me there. I'm not economically bankrupt, just don't have the money for games anymore. Temporarily to be more precise, till I help my family with some dire situation.
When I was a kid I didn't play all the games I wanted because I didn't have the money to buy them. When I learned about emulation in junior high lack of money was never a problem again. Thus, not emulating is child behavior.
no I think he's right. At least in my social circles, piracy isn't about money, it's about convenience. I own my own house. I have never experienced financial stress. Doesn't mean I'm going to scour conventions or order used overpriced games online when I could just download them unless there's an issue with emulating that game.
Not considering piracy as an option I think is mostly a sign of tech illiteracy, which goes hand in hand with being either very young or very old. If it's for moral reasons though, I think that's a pretty good sign of underage.
It is something to look forward to later. The Wii U/3DS eShop didn't close up until this year, despite being dead for basically the entire life of the Switch. And as somebody else said, you can emulate. No judging, plus Gamecube emulation can't be that bad these days.
what gender do you see each pikmin type as?
for me it's >definitely boy
red
blue >definitely girl
yellow
purple
winged >lean towards boy
white >lean towards girl
ice
glow >could go either way
rock
for me it's >definitely boy
red
blue >definitely girl
yellow
purple
winged >lean towards boy
white >lean towards girl
ice
glow >could go either way
rock
It's weird that the Pikmin not only act childlike in their helplessness and curiosity but are explicitly described as such by Olimar so that this is definitely the image you have of them. It's weird because they all fight and die for you. The second game onwards takes a more comical tone, and all of those Pikmin shorts they made are very comical, and this alleviates it a bit, but the first game is totally earnest with only natural humor from some of Olimar's treasures.
If you've never punched an exploding rock, then I can tell you've never played the game. Having that "what's this do?" moment or just hitting something by accident is pure Pikmin.
I don't understand the dog. He looks like he can just do everything you'd normally need Pikmin for, faster. He looks like he just removes the point of having Pikmin. He's like a temporary power up or something except he can't be because he's such a core of the marketing so far.
You can control him separately or give him orders, and he can throw pikmin. He's pretty much another captain. He also has his own seperate upgrades from the player character.
Is the game bad? No, but it's so low quality. There's no problem in it being 2D, but all the fruits are floating, whenever you find a treasure it just gets transported through a wormhole/portal thing instead of having Pikmin carrying it back. You don't really grow Pikmins, which is okay, but the scenario is really non believable.
They should've explained the scenarios were a lot of thin terrariums (that's my headcanon, by the way) and that you had to go throw them, and that's why there was no Pikmin Onions there and you were actually rescuing the Pikmins.
The technical parts of it are bad too, it's not 3D, it has pre rendered sprites all over, the battles don't feel like Pikmin battles. It could've been so much better, like the caves but in 2D.
Also, the director and writer are not the originals one, so it feels kinda off.
In general it's just best to think of it as non-canon.
Looking back, I really feel like it was a missed opportunity and just overall extremely baffling to not make Hey Pikmin a Metroidvania style game, especially with how popular those have been in the last few years. Like, Pikmin already has a pretty similar structure to those in some ways, so would making a 2D Pikmin that keeps the spirit of the 3D games been really that hard?
Haven't seen anyone talk about how they made it so that pressing B while holding a pikmin makes you drop it. Great change, you can just cancel throws now.
>the piklapedia entries olimar makes in 2 says that scholars debate over the details of particular creatures like bulborbs >despite the fact that nobody has ever seen these things before except for olimar who gave them all their names, and he literally came straight back here on the same day he got home
So Olimar is just role playing in his entries and completely making shit up? I sure hope somebody was fired for this blunder.
>So Olimar is just role playing in his entries and completely making shit up
He really wants to be a scientist but got stuck working the equivalent of interplanetary trucker please understand
>Olimar, Louie, and the president are the only people who witness these creatures >Ergo, they are scholars as they're the only ones with wisdom on the subject
>wake up >realize how weird it is that we're getting what seem to be the most enormous areas in the series but we're only getting one and a half captain to explore them with
we're getting multiple landing sites for the first time but it's still fricking bizarre, like imagine if rockstar dropped gta6 tomorrow but they removed all drivable vehicles from the game so you had to walk everywhere. it really feels like it'd be a natural fit for 3's multitasking and three captains but they don't seem to be emphasizing time management at all, considering the apparent lack of any kind of time limit outside of dandori mode
trying not to be too pessimistic but my immediate reaction was that it looked like padding for the single-player campaign because they couldn't think of anything else to add. i guess it'll be nice to have at least one part of the game that forces you to be efficient but it looks really game-y and forced so i dunno. dandori battles look like a less fun version of pikmin 2's two-player battle mode complete with inferior music, but i'm sure they'll still be fun. the fricking mmo sidequest ui in the bottom left isn't inspiring confidence either
i feel like i keep shitting on the game left and right but i'm ultimately still excited for it? trying not to let Ganker pessimism take over me but it feels like there's been a 50/50 ratio of new things i love and new things i hate so far
>Pikmin 4 is going to be more like 2 but openworld with quests......Good.
Yeah it feels weird that they regressed back to 1 captain. I heard the dog can throw pikmins on his back, so maybe he will be playable or just an ally ai. Maybe they add more captains later in the game (upgrades maybe?), so you can increase your captain count.
My theory is since the map is going to be huge, I think they are going for a open world exploring type of game, so it will have no time limit, I don't even see a day count in any of the footage.
the first time they removed the day counter was in 3 deluxe, they replaced it with the amount of juice you had left instead and i thought it was fricking stupid but i didn't think they'd axe it in 4 too. i hate the new ui in general but the day counter was such a recognizable part of 1, 2, and 3 that this feels like the most glaring regression they've made
the map doesn't seem to be open world since they're still referring to different areas and the new beach area looks completely different from anything we've seen so far. hoping they're at least fun to explore if there's no time limit to deal with
another thing i'm kinda disappointed by: i don't really like that 4 seems to be copying 3's "YOU ARE A HERO ON A MISSION TO SAVE LITERALLY EVERYONE" premise again, i loved how 1 was a weird, hostile yet intimate survival story and 2 was just a dumb little game about a bunch of doofuses trying to save their lame freight company, on the surface at least. feels like they keep trying to elevate the stakes when i'm not sure that's actually what i wanted out of pikmin
2 captains is plenty to do all the multitasking you need in Pikmin, this isn't fricking starcraft.
3's multitasking gets fricking insane if you're trying to optimize the story mode or platinum rank everything in mission mode, they just didn't utilize it well enough in the main campaign. i love caves but i also love pikmin 1 for being a fun time attack game, so it kinda sucks seeing them drop the ball a little on 3's time management and then abandoning it almost entirely in 4
If you could have $1 Million USD deposited in your bank account, or you could throw Louie into an Industrial Grinder and watch, which would you pick?
i'd take the million dollars and then throw (You) into the grinder for even suggesting that louie should be put in one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM9Rm-9cvWY
I don't remember Pikmin 1 being THIS fricking glitchy, why is the Switch port so janked?
This. Out of all the strange choices they are going to make in 4, the one I hate the most is the main character is going to be (YOU). I'm just going to stick with a default option for name and appearance.
I genuinely dislike CaC and I don't get why people enjoy it. Every game that has it has a less engaging story by default. SF6's world tour is a recent example of this.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't really agree, Olimar is practically a silent protagonist in Pikmin 2, the Ship is the main character in that game and the story was more or less unchanged. Letting people make their own Pikmin OCs is a fun idea thay I'm sure many fans have wanted.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>what are voyage logs >what are piklopedia notes
Yeah totally, Olimar is blank self-insert character.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No anon, I don't want that.
I am boring. I don't need to learn about my life. I want to grow attached to a character as I learn more about them. I can't do that with a OC.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Who the hell grew attached to the protags of 3? Alph might as well be an OC.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's just because 3's story is shit. I really liked Olimar in 1. Reading his nightly diary entries about his relationship with the pikmin and how he longed for his family really helped me connect with him.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, that can't be. Everyone is saying 3 is the best because of it's high quality and time limit mechanic.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Every pikmin game exceeds at something different. 4 looks like it'll probably have the best exploration in the series but 3 will probably still remain the most 'strategic.
Actually 4 will probably just be a better version of 2.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I think the strange relationship between Olimar and the pikmin is a core element of the first game. They follow his commands with near certainty that many will die, and it's unclear ingame if it's simply their nature or if there's a closer bond. The two songs by Strawberry Flower that accompanied the game focus on this theme to great success. Ai no Uta 愛の歌, describing how the pikmin throw themselves into danger for Olimar with no expectation of reciprocation with a hint that they enjoy their time together. Namida ga Afureta 涙が溢れた, Captain Olimar's regret that he didn't show his appreciation for the pikmin while he could.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Pikmin are moronic animals that benefit from Olimar's leadership and use him to become more powerful, moving up in the food chain. He just projects emotional traits onto them but they're hive insects designed to follow a leader or queen. Relationship my ass they're little plant Black folk
11 months ago
Anonymous
You don't know that. I love my Pikmin and they love me.
11 months ago
Anonymous
How can you live like that, knowing thousands of Pikmin who love you die in droves?
11 months ago
Anonymous
me btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0hkexneqqc
11 months ago
Anonymous
Charlie is definitely a likeable character. Alph not so much but I enjoyed his engineering takes on the enemy characteristics, somewhat similar to Olimar's notes.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Alph is too damn flat for his own good, but Charlie is good. Brittany is kind of fun character if you like the fact that she's a c**t.
still naively hoping that we'll get end-of-day logs or emails or some kind of equivalent in 4 even though the protagonist is a silent oc this time around. colin the serial killer muppet, shepherd and walter white all seem like actual characters so maybe they'll write a mission report at the end of every day or something? it's one of those things that seems inconsequential but really adds a lot to the series
I genuinely dislike CaC and I don't get why people enjoy it. Every game that has it has a less engaging story by default. SF6's world tour is a recent example of this.
it's fun in some games, but pikmin having defined protagonists with actual personalities like olimar is what helped it stand out from so many other nintendo ips. really dislike how nutendo seems to be trying to make every franchise similar to each other in some way, do they really think 4 isn't going to sell well enough if it doesn't let you make your own scrimblo?
11 months ago
Anonymous
The doggos we are seeing aren't the race that looks like the Bulborbs. I want to see then eventually.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Could just be a retconned design because Oatchi with eye stalks would be a lot creepier.
11 months ago
Anonymous
we could've seen one in 4... but they took it away from us in favor of the reddit dog 🙁
>we are going to need to farm 100 purples again in 4
2chads, we are so fricking back
Who the hell grew attached to the protags of 3? Alph might as well be an OC.
waifugays with bad taste like brittany and anyone worh their salt thought charlie was pretty cool. they seemed to try giving alph a little bit of a personality in that he's happy-go-lucky and kind of a doofus i guess, but he still kinda sucks
11 months ago
Anonymous
Could just be a retconned design because Oatchi with eye stalks would be a lot creepier.
feels like pikmin sequels are less "this is the previous game but better" and more "this is the gimmick for this entry"
especially when you have all 4 on the same system now
wanted to bring that up but my crippling pseudo adhd got the better of me. the pikmin planet rapidly evolved inbetween both sequels, in 2 we see that all of the pikmin 1 areas have radically changed and are seasonal now for some reason even though olimar's barely been gone for that long, and in 3 suddenly the planet is fricking pangaea now and it's called "pnf-404". this only makes sense if 4 takes place after 3, but maybe the planet's altered itself again and now it actually has humans living on it? (maximum cope)
Pikmin two has literally Duracell bateries, Nivea skin care products, Nintendo videogames, a manhole, pencils, vases and a road with a crosspath. It was always earth.
2 had some remnants of human civilization in it but it wasn't screaming "THIS IS EARTH, THIS IS A HOUSE, HUMANS LIVE IN IT. BTW PIKMIN TAKES PLACE ON EARTH, EARTH EARTH EARTH" like pikmin 4 is with its clean, modern human house and big ass garden area. it's not the fact that human stuff is in the game but how it's being presented that's concerning autists like me
>already replayed the games when the last big direct had a Pikmin 4 trailer >now I'm jonesing again and the demo is still a couple days away
help
you should 100% pikmin 2 again and make it a 5-day zero deaths run too. i think it'd be funny
I've been playing through Pikmin 1. It's really good. I only played a tiny bit of it as a kid. It was too stressful. I got to the second level and it freaked me out too much. As an adult, it's obviously pretty easy, although I do think the game does a good job of creating the illusion of stress even when I know I'm on a good pace.
Also, why the hell do those stick ladder shortcuts not stay built? I wasted time setting those up and then they reset.
>dive to new floor >this fricker farts on my Pikmin the instant I start to move >my plants run straight into hazards and other enemies >forced to reset
Is this butthole going to be in 4?
Those guys aren't too bad.
This fricker here didn't cost me any piks but it legit scared the shit out of me when it started buzzing.
I also had a bad encounter with a cannon beetle larva, physics was on its side one day.
I only ever played Pikmin 1.
I remember loving it and feeling like I lost a friend when even a single pikmin died, to the point I kept resetting until going 100% with 0 deaths. Felt satisfying and felt right, even when losing like 50minutes every reset when I was like 12.
Which Pikmin should I play 20 years later?
What fun stuff did they add in the sequels?
Any there any that are safe to skip?
>Which Pikmin should I play 20 years later?
Pikmin 2, it's the closest to pikmin 1, and less frustrating to play deathless. I think Pikmin 2 is genuinely the best game ever made
guys ... pikmin 2 is such a good fricking game holy shit. first time playing it, the dungeons are all super unique and fun, the enemy variety is awesome, and I love the piklopedia so much
are 1 and 3 just as good? my friend told me to play 2 first and so far it's blowing me away, such an incredible game for the time it was released.
Starting with 2 might have been a mistake because the other 2 games are really different.
1 is a great game, albeit very short, way shorter than 2. 3 is even more different with way more emphasis on strategy elements and less on exploration.
You should know also that 2 has the most enemies out of any game in the series, even more than 3 did. It was also the only game with dungeons, it was absent in 1 and didn't return in 3. They're all still worth playing.
Also if you love 2, it seems like 4 is gonna be a lot like that one, it's bringing back caves and looks like it has a ton of enemies in it.
With the passing years, I just forgot how much I loved pikmin
I'm playing 1+2 right now, these games are made by the very gods
I can't fricking wait for 4, Gankerros
all of the pikmin outside the original 3 look like shit. they should all be nearly identical with one trait different. purple and white came closest, but the extra bells and whistles make them look shitty.
>ywn buy cheap mass-produced pikmin-branded merchandise
yeah i could get a crappy walmart bottle but it's not the same 🙁 what if one of the treasures in pikmin 4 is pikmin merch. we need to go full circle
I don't have a picture on me but I also bought a Pikmin envelope set and some notepads while there. I gave my gf a small congratulations letter when she beat Pikmin 1 yesterday for the first time with a tiny yellow Pikmin eraser inside.
i wish i had some kind of partner or autistic soulmate that cared about as pikmin as much as i did :/
Anyone has any idea how discovering a new type will work in this game? Here is my guess: >You can choose up to three types a day >You cannot change which types you choose during the day >However, you'll be able to use more than three types when you find a new type during the day of your exploration >After the discovery, they'll return to your onion and become a new type you can choose to use
The question remaining is: how do Purple, White and Ice work as they have no onion? How do you select them? Something is strange.
this would be weird and i alsohave no idea, but i found it noteworthy that we seemingly get reds, blues, and yellows all on day 1, the trailer cuts right from lisa plucking her first reds to her whistling a group of those three types. i'm honestly kind of stunned that they seemingly trust normies enough to handle more than one or two types on the first day, makes me worried that the differences between each type are going to be inconsequential if there are so many to choose from
>the deep fried ANGERY enemies feel really unnecessary when all we really wanted were creepy unique enemies that only come out at night
You aren't wrong about that much.
I've wondered about the mysterious night ever since I was a kid and it's just, hyper-aggressive bulborbs
We haven't seen the red section of the night part yet. I'm hoping that will be the nightmare fuel era to finish off the night
assuming that they'll just send out more deep fried bulborbs or whatever once the clock gets closer to dawn, i'm sincerely hoping there's more to night mode than we're getting in the trailers but i'm starting to doubt it. also goddamn that new time gauge sucks
overlord but it truly sucks.
mandalore has a video on it if you don't mind spoilers.
was overlord actually dogshit this entire time? mandy sucks so i'd rather hear opinions from the 5 non-ecelebs who actually played it
Good thread, you min fans are alright. How is this the only series you can actually talk about on this shitty board?
it's a quirky comfy b-tier nintendo series and there isn't much to ragebait about, and the small handful of us who always liked pikmin are still autistic enough to discuss the actual games and come up with fanon bullshit. the worst shitflinging i usually see are the "WHICH GAME IS TEH BEST" debates and every series has those. even the subr*ddit is mostly just deranged zoomers posting unhinged memes. i guarantee that even with 4 and the 1+2 ports, the series won't suddenly become mainstream because it's the textbook definition of weird japanese normie repellant
>this would be weird and i alsohave no idea, but i found it noteworthy that we seemingly get reds, blues, and yellows all on day 1, the trailer cuts right from lisa plucking her first reds to her whistling a group of those three types. i'm honestly kind of stunned that they seemingly trust normies enough to handle more than one or two types on the first day, makes me worried that the differences between each type are going to be inconsequential if there are so many to choose from
Not to be a contrarian anon but I think during the first day you simply find red and the main three captains that allow you to buy the basic equipment (Sheperd for the dog, Collin for the rewind and move on to the next day, and the lab guy). However you're right that it seems they will allow you to lose Pikmin on the first day, as a dwarf bulborb apparently killed at least three Pikmin.
i wouldn't put it past nintendo to stage something like that for a trailer but goddamn this is weird. i'm pretty sure we see the blue onion in the background behind elmo olimar and bad oatchi when they show up so if they aren't found on the 1st day, then i imagine we'll get a lot of them pretty quickly either way since we've seen so a lot of footage of the og types from 1 + icemin running around already. maybe that rewind screenshot was taken early enough in the day before other types are introduced? frick who knows, i wish they didn't remove the stupid day counter because it'd make this slightly easier to speculate on
also if you can lose pikmin on day 1 then goddamn i hope they bring back the pikmin extinction cutscene. you're SUPPOSED to feel bad when all of them die, 3's take on it with the onion instantly spitting a seed back out and one of the captains going "aw gee whiz. we should be more careful :^)" was fricking pathetic. too bad modern nintendo's been scared to death of making manchildren and toddlers feel potentially negative emotions for eons now
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't like how you can rewind by the minute now. Rewind a day, I guess that's fine, but literally if a fight goes wrong you can rewind it immediately.
I know they do this for their NES games and that's one thing, but Pikmin's easy enough, if you can just rewind any bad mistake what's the point?
11 months ago
Anonymous
2 already let you savescum in caves and reset whenever something went wrong, so this just feels like the pikmin team going "lol frick it" and adding in a built-in rewind function instead of actually addressing the core issue. i'm guilty of doing it so i can't say i hate it but it does feel very questionable. at least the mike matei "if you rewinded time, you did NOT beat the game" memes will probably be funny
Anyone has any idea how discovering a new type will work in this game? Here is my guess: >You can choose up to three types a day >You cannot change which types you choose during the day >However, you'll be able to use more than three types when you find a new type during the day of your exploration >After the discovery, they'll return to your onion and become a new type you can choose to use
The question remaining is: how do Purple, White and Ice work as they have no onion? How do you select them? Something is strange.
We do see one next to Notolimar as well as a Yellow onion earlier. What is strange though is that there is a wild onion when the player already has Yellow Pikmin with them...
I'm thinking that maybe you'll be able to find extra types to use during the day on the field.
a good point anon.
there's every chance they cutscene it and you don't discover and grow them with your squad like in 1 and 2, but more like when brittany finds the yellow pikmin in 3.
It was better than 2. I'm not a huge fan of the gimmick of extra people to control though. Made it seem more like a lame strategy game than a fusion between tactics and adventure.
When 3 first came out it was a disdapointment to 2 gays since it didnt really follow up on that games formula at all and went more back to being like 1.
It DIDNT have a piklopedia and also had less enemies and bosses than 2. It also didn't have the cool DLC challenge stages at launch. Nowadays with 3DX I'd say it's seen a lot more favorably.
Also the original release of 3 had this SUPER annoying ass blue boarder around it every time you locked onto an enemy, and you HAD to lock on to things to charge.
Because there are not that many of us, and we are not a big target like Zelda or Final Fantasy, which attracts more people coming for blood.
Also, despite their flaws, I'd say all Pikmin games are genuinely good games on their own merits. We also only have three mainline games and one spinoff, so not so much to talk about.
It is kinda weird that he goes from actively trying to kill Olimar to working with him and being concerned that he was in danger in 3 as if nothing happened
He was not concerned for Olimar at all
Louie literally left his ass for dead after he got nabbed by the Plasm Wraith, then he tried to escape, crashed the ship, got kidnapped, stole the Koppaites' food, and ran off
I don't know dude, I played the game in French and apparently it was not so much as he was controlling the big spider that he was just able to make it understand he was no threat.
I know it's moronic but apparently when the Titan Dweevil uses his treasures, it's not for attacking but simply part of his natural behavior. Louie being a villain is not exactly correct, he is selfish but he also doesn't want to kill Olimar and the President, he just wants to taste good food.
What the frick is with Pikmin 2's port randomly changing shit like this? What, is husband and wife suddenly offensive now? Actually, don't answer that...
There's been a slight resurgence of old final fantasy threads too now since FFXVI was trashy enough to reignite interest and Barry is too busy to catch every thread
>giant fire creature
>HURR DURR WHAT PIKMIN TO USE
Try more Red.
>deep in cave
>at most 30 red available because 100 limit
>no purple shenanigans
>3 of em side by side
>no sprays
>FUN
>caves
There's your problem.
I'm so glad caves are back in 4.
>I'm so glad caves are back in 4.
they look the same as the 'caves' in pikmin 3 though, not like the rng caves from 2.. people need to stop saying "caves are back" when it is literally just handcrafted underground areas like in 3
It's pretty obvious there are going to be handcrafted puzzle sublevels and generated combat sublevels
It's fine
>It's pretty obvious there are going to be handcrafted puzzle sublevels and generated combat sublevels
>source: my ass
>entrance/exit cutscene
>fully generated map seperate from the overworld
>limited pikmin you can bring
>empress bulbax boss from 2
Yeah sure buddy, pikmin 3..."caves" totally different from 2 cave.
They're 2 caves bro. But they have actual puzzles and stuff in them and don't seem randomly generated so they'll be better.
>don't seem randomly generated so they'll be better.
Btu random generation helped give 2 a ton of replayability
I feel like the random generation In 2 didn't really alter the levels in any meaningful way that would boost replayability? It just makes the level design feel homogeneous.
In fact it's probably why so many breakable walls lead to nothing.
>not min maxing with a whole team of 100 Pikmin of a single type
Never gonna make it
yeh
>he didn't clear it floor by floor making a squad built for each floor so that the end final boss run you have your perfect intact team
ngmi
I wanna beat the game in as few days as possible
The ship hull says they drop the treasures. Is that only for the floor you're currently on? I suppose it does save between each floor.
But I've also had no trouble going down with 50 red, 10 white (just in case of buried treasure), and then 20 blue and yellow.
>going into caves without enough sprays to clear
not the games fault you are tarded
>using reds
>not stun locking those fricks with purples
Literally all you need are Purples, Whites, and Blues.
Purples can kill everything
Whites to spot treasure
Blues for water
Any pikmin type can destroy any elemental hazard generator (yes even poison)
>can kill every type of Pikmin asside from blue and winged (when flying) Pikmin
Why is water like this?
>run around exclusively with blue and winged pikmin
>can go everywhere
>can do nearly anything
Why are you not using the best Pikmin types?
Now that there are ice pikmin. Water is finally defeated. Ice, Winged and Blue could be funny.
Fat fricking b***h ass Louie, fricking eating everything. Just sitting there with his dumbass fat face.
>cave
>punching everything to death is the optimal way to survive
Good game design
Yeah, I’ve been just resetting any time I lose any pikmin in the caves. It’s kind of annoying how fragile these things are and how many times I’ve lost a whole bunch of them just because they get distracted by something in the heat of battle.
Are you moronic anon? The most optimal way to play is not the safest way to play, that takes way too long and not how the game is designed. Pikmin are easy to make and easy to lose, and if you really frick up a day badly enough you are allowed to rewind time and try the whole day again.
Sure, you can choose to do an autism challenge if you feel like it after you know the game inside and out, but don't blame the develpers for your autism.
They are talking about the caves
Leave your party at the entrance and just take a group of 15 reds to clear out the floor, bro.
For me it's these guys
Hope they return or even better they get a new type again in P4.
They probably nerfed these guys in development. Imagine how many Pikmin they would kill if they didn't just knock them down most of the time.
Will go insane if there's a high ranged variation, that can snipe your Pikmin.
Is there a more out-of-place looking enemy in this franchise? I like them for that reason but they just always stuck out to me.
>just use a pikmin of x color
>Can extinguish his flames by luring him into water
>Reignites immediately if he's a centimeter back on land
I ultra spicy + ultra bitter spray these frickers everytime.
Are the switch ports a good way to play these games or should i stick to the emulated wii versions with texture packs?
If you prefer wii's point and shoot control then go with it
Just played and beat pikmin 1 for the first time, how the frick do you guys manage the pikmin? Frickers barely know how to use a bridge.
With your C-stick
The C-stick got a lot more use back in the Gamecube games. Using it would group your Pikmin up, and you could direct them around with it. Using it let you swing the pikmin around to avoid enemy attacks, or keep them roughly lined up to avoid water and fire hazards. They'd done away with that in Pikmin 3, where the second stick was camera control and you just had to rely on your pikmin following you around to not accidentally step in the wrong thing. Pikmin 3 had a lot more open space so this was less of a concern, though.
I'm not sure how the remakes handled the C-stick issue.
You held a button and moved the cursor around in the wii version iirc
Wait you can do that in Pikmin 1? I tried that out but couldn’t get it to work or find it on the control stick.
nta, but yes, in 1 and 2, I'm not sure about Wii and Switch, but I've watched some videos and I've seen them directing them.
Their pathing is improved after the first game. But for Pikmin 1, you have to be careful manipulating large groups of pikmin through relatively small spaces. Remember to use your c-stick.
As for general management, the game is basically an RTS with a controller. I feel like keyboard and mouse support would help the series.
Rotate the c stick quickly to keep them bunched together. They do that on their own in the sequels.
seriously though, why do plant-based creatures die in water anyways? regardless of color
The same way actual plants eventually die if you over water them.
Most plants will also die if you put the entire thing in water
Did you know plants need to intake carbon dioxide to conduct photosynthesis and live? Submerge a plant in water and it'll die.
>instantly kills your pikmin with the fastest bite in the game
Why are babies like this?
they are spawns of satan
dropkick bulborb babies
suplex bulborb babies like a ghost train
>nibbles your ankle to rip half of your health away during your drop kick
>while in the process of being hit and dying to said drop kick
HONGRY
>small corridors with 80 of them
Harder than the queen herself
Does the yellow pikman still love swimmbing?
They sure do like splashing around in the water.
Remember that whistles are only for emergencies, so don't blow it while they're playing. Let them have their fun.
Plant you seeds.
I’m really hoping that you can upgrade your pikmin type capacity
The way I see it oatchi is there to better accommodate the caves and potentially solve any issues down there, since 2 had a ton of problems making the cave system unfun and tedious
In the overworld though, they had it right in the last few games, so to go back and limit types will just be a big inconvenience
I don’t want to run back and swap out a type for rocks just because there’s suddenly an obstacle I can’t break
We've seen things with different capacities so I would assume at least that is upgradable.
With an apparent focus on it it wouldn't be out of the question.
I hope it’s not bloated with upgrades
I’m not fond of the whole feel like dogshit at the start games with stat systems go for
>cave system unfun
Fricking skill issue holy shit
See I have my doubts because they specifically mention the limit as if it were a feature. They never bring up the 30 pikmin cap because that can change but I feel like the 3 type limit is a constant
In fact, I am a little worried by the fact they try to alleviate the problem by cutely remarking "the rest will hang back until you need them." as if they're trying to counter backlash
I guess there's no telling until the game comes out but I am concerned
>pikmin 2
punch everything in the caves
>pikmin 4
use your dog slave for killing everything in the caves
What are >our thoughts on the assemble all button on the Drake?
>send help luigi is killing everyone
Litreally a dark suls boss
Remember that the only Pikmin you need to face the Titan Dweevil are Yellows. You can whistle all statuses off except electrocution.
I can report that my copy of Pikmin 1 and 2 hasn't been personalized by the Nintendo AI.
>Treasures are strikingly similar to the objects that have disappeared from around my house
Um bros?
I hate the new logo
The old one was fine enough
Same, hate even more they retroactively changed 3's
Yeah it is the definition of soulless. I do like the single "P" logo though, it's cute.
its a strange choice because its the boxart of pikmin 1/2 in japan
I've kept a secret emergency stash of $2500 in my copy of Pikmin 2 for several years. I have several such stashes but I thought I'd share given you posted my favorite cash stash box.
I love this cover so much. I used to bring my case to middle school occasionally just to secretly admire the art.
>there is gonna be a whole new generation of zoomers traumatized by Submerged Castle
honestly I can't wait
I can't wait to see people struggeling with the randomly falling bomb rocks, boulders and bomb-dweevils.
slam dunk bulborb larvae
shame we will never see these nine together in the game
>Everyone's here
They’re probably there
Bulbmin my beloved
They're in 4, its just they're evil now since the main villain is the pikmin parasite
god rock, ice and ghost pikmin are fricking abhorrent looking
was it really such a fricking task to come up with plant/natrure related ways to be hard, glow and solidify water?
Rock pikmin are the cutest
rick pikmin are kino
ice is just okay
I do not like glow pikmin at all.
>rick pikmin are kino
heh, look morty...
good one
Ice Pikmin just feel lazy, they clearly made an effort after the original 3 for them to be more varied but they just look like cyan rock pikmin.
They should've been an Ice Cube.
Now we're talking, or in a vertical more smooth crystal shape. Make them a bit taller so they're cuter in a gangly way
Sounds way better even if the idea itself seems like a shitpost. Maybe instead of throwing them you slide/bowl them across the ground or they can stack or something.
It's not a shitpost, it was an idea inspired by that Pokémon with an Ice Cube head.
Yeah, but it should definetely had a shape that reminded an Ice Cube, or a popsicle.
Whites rock
So we're just missing the orange onion now right?
yes
Yeah, the glow one is hard to suspend the disbelif. The glow can be explained by radiation, but how does it float? Maybe it has a lot of air bubbles inside its cells, that has plasmoid characteristics to keep it together and gelatinous at the same time.
its clearly trying to be a ghost.
Is pikmin worth buying if I just want to play through the story once?
Just emulate it if money is a concern. 1 is my favorite Pikmin.
Play Pikmin 1+2 emulated if you have issues with money. Either emulate or buy Pikmin 3 Deluxe.
I will get 1+2 physical because I like to collect Pikmin games.
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RTS Black folk in shambles.
What's the story behind the image? I like my ALL UNITS but I remember being unable to get Pikmin when it first started showing up in magazines, and now when I finally decided to get a new console Pikmin 4 gets announced.
It's just your general consolewarhomosexualry. Lots of typical (generally PC) RTS games compared to Pikmin.
Interesting that it got to the point that someone bothered to make such an image
Given that is has Chad in the image, it's certainly something recent for Pikmin 4. It wasn't around when Pikmin 1 came out, or even when Pikmin 3 was released.
I'm sure the archive will have a tale to tell. My guess was that it was around when 3 got onto Switch but you may be right that 4 prompted it.
>It wasn't around when Pikmin 1 came out
no, i distinctly remember seeing this exact image when I was 11 years old in 2001
you live in an age where people have given up entirely on real life and spend their days wasting away in front of their computers, why does this of all things surprise you?
literally me
We are in the dark ages of the RTS games, Stormgate was supposed to revive the genre but it's just a worst StarCraft. Pikmin is only getting better, though.
feed bulborb larvae to snagrets
this is why i always try to do a no death run for any pikmin
Hot take, the original 7 Pikmin types are kino as frick in the trilogy (not including the special case Pikmin) but Glow and Ice Pikmin in 4 are shitty, superpowered, elemental fantasy creatures and don't fit with the previous gameplay philosophy of how Pikmin are designed in the series. Ice Pikmin instantly freeze enemies and water they touch like magic spells and Glow Pikmin give you the ability to fire these gigantic energy balls from nowhere like an anime special move. Not to mention their appeareance is right out of Luigi's Mansion and makes no sense as a natural evolution just like it makes no sense for a Pikmin's body to be covered in pure ice.
TLDR: Pikim used to be defined by their limitations and how they natually evolved as a species, yes even Rock Pikmin fit this pattern since their hard shells only superficially resemble rocks, while nuPikmin is about feeling powerful and doing over the top shit with your army.
TLDR:Old Good, New Bad.
I get glow but why ice? Ice Pikmin aren't really that crazy, plus we don't really know how they'll play yet until the demo in a few days.
>Ice Pikmin aren't really that crazy,
What kind of creature can instantly freeze things into a block of ice by touching them anon? This is outside the realm of good science ficiton and turns into X-Men style capeshit.
>What kind of creature can instantly freeze things into a block of ice by touching them anon
Probably some shit in the arctic idk I'm not a biologist
What kind of creature can be immune to fire because they are simply the color red anon?
The designs of the pikmin have gradually gotten worse certainly. The ENTIRE point of their design is that they're meant to look like root vegetables. Carrots, you know. That's why they have stems and leaves and you pluck them from the ground, like vegetables.
>Pikmin 1: Creatures that resemble root-vegetables
>Pikmin 2: Creatures that resemble root-vegetables (and a parasite)
>Pikmin 3: A literal fricking rock (winged pikmin are okay)
>Pikmin 4: A chunk of ice and a glowy will-o-wisp thing
Tell me WHY a fricking rock or a piece of ice or a ghost would have a stem with leaves and flowers? Plucking a piece of ice out of the ground makes no sense whatsoever. The pikmin went from "plant-like root vegetable creatures" to "things with stems on their heads"
Anon, did you read the end of the paragraph? Rock Pikmin are not actually rocks. They have soft hands and feet which is your first clue. They are like any animal that has a hard shell around their bodies to protect them.
I know they are not literal rocks bro. "Ohhh it's a calcified shell" I know dude, but the fact remains that it doesn't look like a pikmin. It looks like a rock. Your argument about animals with hard shells doesn't work when Pikmin 3 has ACTUAL animals with hard shells that look completely natural. Rock pikmin don't look like pikmin with shells, they look like rocks.
And according to the new Japanese website they're actually a pikmin which "parasitizes" rocks probably piloting them for nutrients and shit.
Rocks don’t have stems, eyes, arms, and legs
And root vegetables don't have eye and arms and legs
Gonna say pikmin don't actually look like vegetables now because they have personified features?
moron
Pikmin look like little funny men with stems
Your complaints are silly, and you’re very stupid
>T-They don't look like vegetables actually!
lol
Keep moving your goalpost it's funny
I never moved any goalposts
You are an angry little man
And?
Rocks probably look like vegetables to them too
>
Successfully mindbroken
Even if they don't, they see bug eyes and a leaf sprouting out of their head, what the frick else are they going to call it?
you're a pathetic loser
homie the game isn't even out yet and you're already mad.
Eh, i won't mind if they at least attempt to explain It in a pseudo-scientific way
Yeah but the Fiery Bulblax and Armored Cannon Beetle make perfect evolutionary sense.
The Ice Pikmin body probably stores Nitrogen Gas inside it, it can really freeze everything.
The glow one is radiation, I don't get why it floats and is gelatinous, though, it could have a more plasmatic body, like a gelatin.
>Hot take
Not at all. I agree with you. Ice Pikmin were one of my most wanted Pikmin types and I imagined them as cyan-colored Piks that could tolerate colder regions and if an enemy ate them, they'd induce paralysis and slow them down, with said ailment slowly getting weaker the more piks they ate.
Essentially they'd be a utility pikmin that you'd have to use in colder regions that the other pikmin couldn't traverse in.
Glow Pikmin, I don't like much. They could have just been Pikmin with bioluminescence who couldn't tolerate sunlight, or just green pikmin. They could have just made them cyan and green pikmin with said traits and that would be fine. Like you said, they're leaning too much into the fantasy aspect. Reminds me of the Animal Crossing fans who brought out how the villagers don't wear horns anymore to blend in with the animal villagers and especially the issue with Isabelle. Good post.
But Pikmin already turn to ghosts when they die.
this is funny since we're on completely different pages, i really didn't care for the icemin at all back in february because they just looked like overpowered rockmin clones and i already thought rocks like dopey and stupid to begin with. meanwhile i actually genuinely really like how the glow pikmin look even though they're singlehandedly responsible for destabilizing multiple south american countries and they're the first new pikmin design i've really liked in a while. i don't know how they work from an evolutionary standpoint and i hate that they're exclusive to the disappointing-looking night mode but i like ghosts, sue me
*looked dopey and stupid, i've been posting too much. stupid prerelease hype threads
Whats wrong with the nigh mode? It just looks like a tower defense type thing which could be fun, not really something that's ever been in the series.
i was surprised that __arlo__ of all people echoed some of my complaints but here they are anyway - the deep fried ANGERY enemies feel really unnecessary when all we really wanted were creepy unique enemies that only come out at night, and night "expeditions" being a tower defense minigame is lame as frick when we could've had proper night exploration. i'm not even sure if you need to do them to beat the game actually, they just seem like some optional thing you can ask some ugly castaway at base camp to do rather than it being part of a full day/night cycle or something. just not really sure if i like the angle they're going for
if a treasure is skewed like that in pikmin 1, i THINK it'll reset near where you left it if you come back for it the next day, but as with everything else in 1 it's weird and glitchy, so it could snap out of bounds if you're really unlucky. you'll probably be fine, but worst case scenario you can always just replay that specific day
>4 is the first time I'm not really excited for a Pikmin game
i'm jaded and i've ben disappointed by some of the stuff we've seen too, BUT consider the fact that we're getting caves and treasures again. that's singlehandedly keeping me excited along with the return of so many enemies from 1 + 2, plus the new areas look like they'll be fun to frick around in even though i'm still iffy on how pristine all of the manmade stuff looks
>spoiler
I think them leaning so hard into the manmade stuff is a mistake. The treasures and layouts of 2 were one thing, but a pristine living room/kitchen is another. Pikmin 1 and 2 felt abandoned, like whoever built this stuff is long gone.in Pikmin 4 you'd swear humans were still running around
It's an AI doing that. You'll all see, the AI is messing with time and is crating the caves/stuff we see.
Would be cool if the final boss of the pikmin franchise is some ambiguously benevolent AI that has been carrying for a thousands of years.
Yes, and we know that there are AIs that fuses with the creatures to create a symbiotic lifeform. It's some creature crafting the caves or an AI trying to restore the world according to its data bank. I bet on that
i remember wanting to see a house level or an urban environment of some kind in pikmin 4 so this is actually entirely my fault, sorry everyone
the thing is, they can technically do whatever they want with the Pikmin Lore™ since they never explicitly said pnf-404 was post-apocalyptic earth, but being able to run around in a totally clean, powered house that people are probably still living in completely shatters that mystery, which sucks because strange unexplainable phenomena was always part of what made pikmin so atmospheric. the only immediate saving grace i can think of is that all of the indoor house-themed caves are probably going to be cool as hell
>getting upset that the enemies are extra agressive seems weird
you're misreading my complaint, i'm not b***hing about the enemies being aggressive at night, rather that they flanderized it to the point where they just have big cartoony glowing red eyes which looks fricking stupid, and that we're just seemingly just fighting creatures we've already fought before instead of new nocturnal species. the grown up bulborb larvae are cool though, i was waiting for someone to acknowledge those
didn't notice that oatchi's hud icon is highlighted there but i'm still confused. is he actually controllable or can you only order him to do stuff? can he do everything a captain can or is he limited to doing things like throwing pikmin? god i still don't understand what the purpose of him is. it feels like the devs made oatchi to solve a problem they created for themselves, they gave us every pikmin type but they knew they couldn't balance it so they limited the squad size and number of active types on the field in addition to only giving us one captain... but they didn't want to actually make the game feel like pikmin 1, so they gave us a marketing committee-approved dog that's half-pikmin, half-captain but not quite as useful as either of them. mindboggling
Pikmin two has literally Duracell bateries, Nivea skin care products, Nintendo videogames, a manhole, pencils, vases and a road with a crosspath. It was always earth.
not anymore :^)
the complaint isn't that it's earth, it's that it's not post-apocalyptic
>b-but glutton's kitchen
not even remotely similar to a fully furnished pristine house with working electricity
I've developed an autism theory that it's an alternate universe sequel to pikmin 1's bad ending , where this is the "Pikmin Olimar" and in this time line the world was always still inhabited you just land in wilderness areas in pikmin 1. Was there any obvious signs that humanity was long gone in pikmin 1?
Geiger counter ship part constantly going apeshit
there's that ramune bottle in the forest navel but otherwise pikmin 1 doesn't really have a lot of manmade stuff in it. the bad ending theory is interesting but not explicitly confirmed yet, this could very well just be some weird doppelganger or olimar after being infected by the bulbmin parasite or something. it''ll be kind of depressing no matter where they go with it even though red pikmin olimar looks like fricking animal from the muppets
There were also the rusty cans and pipes bomb rocks could be found in as well as the cardboard boxes you had to push.
Only the Geiger counter, implying high doses of radiation.
Yeah , I reread your argument. But there is something very strange and off, there are no humans. Why is that? I have a theory that it was built by another force, not humans.
Controlling the Oatchi is kinda nonsensical, it would be better to just use a captain. Ideally we should've directed here with orders.
But then you wouldn't get the good boi pupperino!
We should only direct him though, not control.
He is controllable, you can see the THROW indicator in that image and the player character isn't anywhere in sight. He's your Louie in this game.
Also this whole hatred because he's a dog is really forced.
If he had a leaf on his head and they called him a bulborb you'd be frothing at the mouth. There are people in this thread begging for Bulbmin to come back when Oatchi is literally that.
It's not like they even invented dogs for this game, it was a thing in the very first game. Don't like him fine, just stop calling him reddit, Jesus christ.
but the donbari guys gets a dog that actually looks like a bulbmin :~~*(
>Also this whole hatred because he's a dog is really forced.
Not forced, what's forced is putting dogs into things because dog lovers are fanatical. Me, I'm not a fan of dogs.
>If he had a leaf on his head and they called him a bulborb you'd be frothing at the mouth.
Yes.
>There are people in this thread begging for Bulbmin to come back when Oatchi is literally that.
No.
>just stop calling him reddit
go back if it irritates you so much
>Also this whole hatred because he's a dog is really forced
um sorry... but inshallah he will be baked soon because he fricking sucks
those show up so often that i have no idea how i forgot about them
It's just, the game seems to be trying a bit too hard with Oatchi
I can't count how many times he was called a "good boy" in the 4 minute trailer
It's a kids game anon
>muh forced dogversity
can you shut up about oatchi already
Going underground into dank areas already cover that basis.
Plus the entire 'lore' up to this point as to why you couldn't stay at night was because of how hostile it was, so getting upset that the enemies are extra agressive seems weird. Also you DO get to see actual juvenile bulbous at night for the first time which is cool. If you ask me it's the best way they could've implemented it.
>the deep fried ANGERY enemies feel really unnecessary when all we really wanted were creepy unique enemies that only come out at night
You aren't wrong about that much.
I've wondered about the mysterious night ever since I was a kid and it's just, hyper-aggressive bulborbs
We haven't seen the red section of the night part yet. I'm hoping that will be the nightmare fuel era to finish off the night
>i really didn't care for the icemin at all back in february because they just looked like overpowered rockmin clones and i already thought rocks like dopey and stupid to begin with.
I'm okay with Rockmin but Icemin are genuinely disappointing to me and I wanted them for ages once again. Seeing all the bulbs in 1's ending got me excited for more Pikmin games with new Pikmin and 4 is the first time I'm not really excited for a Pikmin game. I almost forgot it even existed.
Pikmin 3 does not fit into "old" in your old good new bad. If you like rock pikmin (which are themselves nuPikmin, as you put it) and you don't like ice/glow pikmin I think you must be underage and nostalgiablind. In terms of pikmin design and what we saw in the trailers 4 is just more of 3 in terms of visual design.
for me it's purple
Only the strong shall survive.
>bug pulls out a gun
Nothing can top 2's boss intro
This is very Zelda like song
https://nintendo.fandom.com/wiki/Hajime_Wakai
What tracks did he made in Zelda Tears of the Kingdom?
Such a legend. He composed Molgeras theme in Wind Waker and all the bangers in Starfox 64. IIRC Pikmin 2 had some really good music too, like Wistful Wilds.
One month.. Are you ready Pikmin bros?
Our patience was finally rewarded
Love the games but dunno about paying $60 for compared to another new game with more replay value over time.
Will it be like the other Switch games that get emulated immediately?
WHERE IS MY ORANGE PIKMIN???!
in pikmin 2
witch burn the bulborb larvae on a cross until they become ash
Would you say the Hocotate Freight is located in a desert?
No, in a kids sandbox
That reminds me, I still seethe we didn't get to see Kopai
deserts are defined by amount of precipitation so we have no way of knowing. it's just some arid shithole with no civilization around that makes a good place for a spaceport.
new japanese website:
さらったピクミンは、食べずに投げ捨てる。一説では、花を咲かせて、そのミツを吸うためと考えられている。
Snatched pikmin aren't eaten, they're thrown away. One theory is that they make the flowers bloom in order to suck up their honey.
Louie is a god damn moron.
Louie is downright malicious.
He is the final boss of 2.
I'n playing Pikmin 2 on Switch right now, first time after likfe 15 years. I remembered the man-at-legs but that didn't stop me from getting my whole group holocausted.
Had to make another trip in with yellow Pikmin to throw on it. Used a bitter spray and immediately when it wears off the fricker starts firing with zero warning, again killing half the group.
I also kept trying to fight bulborbs like in Pikmin 3 where you can make them flinch by throwin Pikmin at their eyes. Result here is that my red Pikmin are now close to extinction.
>my red Pikmin are now close to extinction.
So? Red pikmin are expendable, their lives mean nothing. Only purples and whites have value, and even then whites aren't that important
Hide the group with one captain behind the metal structures then take a smaller fleet with the second captain when he stop firing. As soon as he stops moving and opens up to fire again RUN.
Don't bitter spray bosses, it raises their defense instead of lowering it.
>flys around
>????
>just there to troll
what the frick is his problem? they are pretty tanky for such a small creature too.
Planting your pikmin means you can let them grow to the flower phase, so they're nice when you have a bunch of leaf pikmin. You could also just land a few pikmin on it - yellows were the easiest due to being thrown higher - and them swarm your pikmin over it when it fell to the ground. There would generally be enough pikmin to knock it back down once it tried to take off again.
Mamuta was better at planting pikmin since it did this job faster, and (in Pikmin 1) was close to your landing site anyway.
>when Goolix is there instead
They deserve to be left alone in the rest floors.
>Pikmin is slowly but surely building up towards a full on colonization of PN-404
>The next game will have you building and defending a permanent settlement with the Pikmin.
Why they made Pikmin 2 so much harder than 1 and 3? Who the frick designed a kids game this hard
That's why I like 2 so much. It has no time limit but it's way harder than 1 or 3 which are pretty fricking easy games.
2 is also easy, it just throws more bullshit at you
>there are a ton more Pikmin threads lately on Ganker
I’m so happy
Kino is back on the menu
I've been thinking the same thing bro I check the catalog and smile. For all the years this series remains relatively chill. After this new release a lot of new fans are coming so enjoy this while it lasts.
Holy shit this is hilarious watching morons struggle with these games.
Just wait until people get to the water wraith or man at legs.
Where are you watching them?
My gf finished Pikmin 1 yesterday for the first time. She managed to deliver the final ship part with literally less than one second left (the 0 was about to disappear)
She wanted to make sure I include the fact she's a Warcraft 3 players so you can appropriately dunk on WC3 players for not finishing 100% in under 30 days.
She collected all parts within the last moment of the final day?
Nice clutch. I got the bad end the first time I played though I did defeat Emperor Bulblax, I just didn't collect all the crucial parts.
Me too. Mind you this was when the game released and I was like 10 so I don't sweat it too much. I'm glad I got to see the bad end.
>I got the bad end the first time I played though I did defeat Emperor Bulblax, I just didn't collect all the crucial parts.
No you didn't. Final Trial doesn't unlock until you've collected all 29 ship parts.
People are saying some tracks were removed. Hopefully neither of these.
Ai no Uta and Tane no Uta were removed.
Other changes were the product placement being removed.
The best songs, Frick Copyright
>series can't even have it's own theme song
Copyright is a joke and they end up shooting themselves in the foot most of the time.
Probably wasn't so bad. Piklimar probably did a funky dance with the Pikmin round the Forest Navel fires.
And Olimar isn't allowed to imply he wants to make his wife horny.
LOL don't worry the implications are still there.
When she collected the ship part gifted by Olimar's son, my gf immediately went "OLIMAR FRICKS?!"
Don't forget the porn spam.
Why wouldn't he. Just look at him.
One aspect I love about Pikmin was that you never knew what you'd run into. I remember always feeling really anxious about going into caves in Pikmin 2. First time running into those electric beetles was traumatic thought they were just some random enemy, look away and then hear the sound of half my pikmin dying, was wary ever since lol. Also got ptsd from the water wraith and man at legs.
>got a yellow Pikmin stuck under a bridge over water but it somehow glitched out where it thought it was on top of the bridge too
>Perpetual drowning noises for the rest of the day
Frick being eaten is there a worse fate for a pikmin
I'm gonna assume there's gonna be a sleep mechanic cause of nightw and multiple crewmates
Pikmin fans are my favorite white supremacists
Death
God dammit, I will kill that fricking pregnant b***h without a single Pikmin dying even if it kills me.
>gently push other captain against it
>get the good old two for one deal
Ujadani
>Used to dread fighting these fricks in Pikmin 1
>can now reliably swarm these fricks now with zero deaths in the switch port
I wasn't expecting these guys to get a nerf, but I appreciate it since that hitbox was annoying
While I udnerstand people having a few issues with the 2 port, the 1 port is the definitive verison without a doubt now. Fixed crushing glitch FINALLY, fixed the worst hitboxes and cheap deaths, and has all the Pikmin 2 improvements from New Play Control! as well as a better camera and motion controls. And the game looks crisp as frick in HD too.
Yeah I might try for a perfect no Pikmin lost run now while before I would never bother.
I only played 1 so far what's wrong with 2?
It removes some copyrighted treasures and replaces it with generic branded treasures
Oh I thought it was gonna be some weird gameplay quirks.
Did they nerf the little purple underground bugs that always take a Pikmin with them if you swarm?
I think they function basically the same way, but as long as you respect that bite attack you shouldn't lose Pikmin to them
I can't tell if 3 is just really really easy or my like 5 replays of it have made me do everything at peak efficiency
Seijin is alien in Japanese
So people from Koppai are Koppai Seijin
Oppai Seijin is a common nickname for girls with big boobs.
Did Pikmin 3 really go there?
god damn it guys i fricking love rock pikmin
i'm not a cutesy gay but fricking hell they're so cute
Same, frick the haters.
I hate the noise they make when they die. Actually both the rock and flying Pikmin make me feel really bad when they die.
I prefer winged Pikmin but I love their "yeehaw" when you pluck them.
I don't get the hate for 3 in general. Good new Pikmin, good protagonists, and juicing is mad satisfying.
its just a bit short innit?
>its just a bit short innit?
NTA but the challenge mode more than makes up for the shortness of the campaign, also even though the campaign is short it's much more complex than pikmin 1
Just replayed pikmin 1, it's shorter than 3.
pikmin 1 is barely more than a tech demo designed to be failed the first playthrough through.
Challenge mode is really good in 3, and the battlebingo is also excellent. I really enjoy downloading 3 romhacks that add challenge maps to play.
1 is really easy and impossible to fail if you are more than 10 years old
i should clarify that *nintendo* designed it to be failed the first time through, but they only make games for babies.
These will be the playable night pikmin
I'm hoping so as Bulbmin would make sense to return given the three type limit but the dog pretty much takes their purpose unless it can do something the dog doesn't.
Puffmin Mushmin would be great to see return
>given the three type limit
Wait, there is a three type limit now?
>glows can fly
>bulbs are immune to most static hazards
What do puffmin bring to the table
Death.
They get the purple pikmins missing 3x damage. That or have some weird immunity to spores or whatever
>red pikmin get extra damage from their nose spike
>puffmin get extra damage from using the mushroom like a mace
The Japanese website says whites are immune to poison and spores
Wait? Is that true? The models are all low poly though, what's that?
No it's not true.
Puffimin aren't even pikmin its just a status debuff.
>kills your entire squad of flying pikmin
>you get furious and just end up feeding him more
That thing eats Pikmin faster than a sports car eating fuel.
I killed several of these guys until it occurred to me that they were supposed to stop wings. Literally never an issue, until the Formidable Oak.
Ok this question has long been unanswered but I must know.
What class of animal is a Bulborb? I want genuine answers only
I always assumed all the enemies in Pikmin were just bugs
Underground-dwelling parasitic Pikmin that target and infect unsuspecting Bulborbs and their babies.
Some sort of hyper advanced gastropod
The glowing eyes are an abstract anon, they are not literally being possessed by demons
>What class of animal is a Bulborb? I want genuine answers only
Grub-dog, of course
>pikmin 1
>we must leave at night because the planert is rife with nocturnal predators
>pikmin 4
>we must leave at night because EVIL DEMON ENERGY INFECTS THE WILDLIFE
i miss when pikmin was sci-fi instead of fantasy
>we must leave at night because the planert is rife with nocturnal predators
It was always the same enemies except more aggressive and in wider numbers so it's continuing that trend.
I'm a little disappointed by what we saw in the newer trailers, but I was so hyped for Pikmin 4 I made a Quest on Ganker about it
https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2022/5405011/
IF YOU LOST A PIKMIN, YOU DIDN'T BEAT THE GAME.
I'm not a schizo with infinite time on my hands
I just got the Switch ports and I was astounded at how fast and easy the first game is. When I was a kid it was something I would occasionally start from the beginning, play a couple of hours each day, get my mind blown by the bird snake thing, and eventually stop playing at the distant spring because it was too hard. Now I beat the whole game 30/30 in just over three hours. I didn't even really enjoy that much either because of how finicky it is, Pikmin always getting stuck behind corners, deciding to start plucking grass or pick up pellets in the middle of combat, etc. Pikmin 2 is seeming a little better, I like that the squad seems programmed to tighten around you automatically along narrow paths. I don't enjoy how basic and meaningless the random path generations in caves are so far, it doesn't look promising. I don't see the enjoyment in having to continously destroy fire traps or poison traps as if that's meant to be a puzzle in itself or something, it's just padding. Maybe they get more complex later on.
They start dropping boulders on you later
Enjoy
So with all these new additions, was Pikmin 3 really filler?
no. pikmin 3 was a solid entry and the three captains/koppad multitasking was a feature that fundamentally changed the way you played the game. arguably pikmin 3 has the best multitasking gameplay of any of them, though i would prefer to have gcn-style pikmin control back.
2 was filler since 4 is basically that but not bad
Let me guess, you got that from a youtuber?
I recall alot of people considering 2 as the best before Youtubers said it wasnt, then those same people switched up
No, I’ve always disliked 2 since I beat it years ago
I don’t watch video essays, and I never accuse people of shitting on something because they watched a video about it
Perfect scoring the challenges in Pikmin 3 is the peak of the series so far.
Pikmin 2 and 3 are both different sequels to Pikmin 1.
2 takes everything and just adds more, more, more, bigger and more everything.
3 takes it and removes all the jank, all the unpolished shit, and refines what's left over.
Pikmin 4 is a true sequel to Pikmin 2.
3 takes it and removes almost everything so you now have a sterile linear game with piss poor content and casualized controls.
I heard Pikmin 3 deluxe fixes a lot of issues, but I was really disappointment with the removal of the c-stick & piklopedia. Plus the game was too short.
>piklopedia
This alone will determine if I buy pikmin 4 or pirate it.
Deluxe not only has the Piklopedia, each item has all five captains comments on it each focusing on different aspects. For a Bulborb for example, Olimar has a scientific description and classification, Louie has cooking instructions, Charlie has battle tactics, and I don't remember what Alph and Brittany focused on.
Yeah, I heard about that, good choice on them, but why wasn't it in the original game? They are NINE YEARS of development. Also I heard they just reused Olimar & Louie notes from 2.
> c stick
Swarming was really only a necessity because the pikmins AI was so shitty they would just go into hazards or fall off bridges/ledges if you didn't steer them into the right direction.
3s pikmin don't do that and will automatically stay close to you and avoid trouble. And when did you want to swarm in the past games? When you wanted to bumrush enemies, and the Charge function already does that faster.
They improved that function a lot in the 3DX port and I'm assuming that improved version was just them porting what will be in 4 to 3.
Charge is definitely better than swarm. I especially like that if you charge an object, only the exact number of Pikmin needed to carry it will do so and the excess will return.
I don't know if I like it, because if you think about it, it's not like the Pikmin would understand how many you ordered to carry the item, it's nice from a QoL perspective though.
I'm not fond of the lock on mechanic, it just simplifies and takes away the combat strategy from the earlier games.
I mean 3 was the game that actually introduced enemy weak points, in the past games you could get away with just chucking away at an enemy anywhere.
>And when did you want to swarm in the past games?
picking up multiple bodies and treasures quickly, manuervering in combat, maneuvering in general. It's loss removed control form the player and it's bullshit
>2 takes everything and just adds more, more, more, bigger and more everything.
You mean it removes the time limit and made everything have less weight to it. Who gives a shit that I lost all my Pikmin, I can literally get them all back with no issue. On top of removing the cool sciencey logs at the end of days to add in stupid bullshit like your wife bragging about shoes.
The first game had a better atmosphere, you crash land on a planet you had no idea about and had to escape before the time limit was up. Second game is all about looting the corpse.
>Who gives a shit that I lost all my Pikmin, I can literally get them all back with no issue.
You can do that in every game just by restarting the day. The time limit in 1 is negligible, if you've ever played a video game before you'll get all 30 treasures with time to spare.
And 2 has the piklopedia so the end of day shit doesn't even matter.
>You can do that in every game just by restarting the day
Okay, but the difference is that I had to do everything in that day again. Not that I ever restarted the day.
>time limit in 1 is negligible
Not to me it wasn't. I didn't have to restart, but it added a sense of urgency that the second game just plain doesn't have.
>Not to me it wasn't. I didn't have to restart, but it added a sense of urgency that the second game just plain doesn't have.
I played 1 for the first time yesterday, I finished the game day 20 with every ship part, and around 300 pikmins each color.
You simply were a kid back then
I'm playing 2 right now, the game is miles better and slightly harder
>You simply were a kid back then
Mate, I played the game on the Wii for the first time a few years ago.
>slightly harder
Only on the small-scale combat level. Not on the entire adventure level. In 2 I can fail combat and get all my pikmin killed as many times as I want AND CONTINUE PLAYING WITHOUT RESTARTING ANYTHING. The same cannot be said for 1.
More like a step back to 1, but kind of lack luster sine it took 9 years to develop.
Pikmin 3 is the greatest
Best world design, multi-tasking, and great side content
But the campaign was too easy and short and somehow has less content than its predecessor despite being in development for 9 years.
Being short and replayable is good.
You’ve also got the mission mode which is great extra content.
Also, none of the games are hard.
I bought 3 on day 1 and I remember beating the campaign in 2 sittings. I hardly played mission mode because a good portion of it was locked behind a paid dlc during the time. It really left a bad taste for me, plus I was never motivated to play them because I felt no since of progression.
>Being short and replayable is good.
Yeah, but paying a full $60 game for an arcade experience is not my cup of tea.
???
Bro the first game is literally like 3 hours long. Do you only like 2 or something?
Yeah I like 1 and I like all pikmin games (not sure about hey pikmin), but I was talking about 3. Pikmin 2 was made in 3 years and look at the amount of content it has.For a sequel that took 9 years, I expected more than what we got.
Pikmin 2 is the epitome of quantity over quality
>introduced enemy weak points.... you could get away with just chucking away at an enemy anywhere.
But the older games had enemies with weak points.
meant for
Quantity has a quality all it's own.
I'd easily say 3 is the worst.
It's still fine, but it's definitely my least favorite.
I wish glow pikmin had legs
They’d feel a bit more believable to me if they did
>Brittany is everyone's favorite kawaii captain who sneaks the most juice for herself and sounds cute when you throw her and switch to her
>alph is put into ultimate as an alt skin for olimar instead of her
????
>Brittany the favourite captain from 3
>Not Charlie
You must be mistaken. Brittany is everyone's favorite captain. She's already the new face of the Pikmin series and we all love her.
>brittany
Who? Is that the ugly one with glasses? Pikmin 3 isn't the "new face" of anything because it sucks.
because alph's face is the same as olimar's. brittany has a longer face. it was just a matter of ease. also that alph is basically the protagonist.
>lots of echos are added to smash
>alph is the only character who remains being a weird alt
>was even planned to be an echo with rock pikmin and all
pikmin's just way too niche for sakurai to care unfortunately...
fricking glow pikmin reporting every last nap louie takes to the president
I do wonder if the Koppaites will show up in 3. After saving their planet they’d be pretty qualified for a rescue mission to the same planet again right?
Which Pikmin are the most evil?
Cotton Pikmin
Someone post it
White because poison is evil.
>never played a Pikmin game in my whole life
>seeing a handful of passionate fans talking about Pikmin 4 makes me curious
>see that Pikmin 3 has a demo on the switch
>Play it
>Understand the appeal and really enjoy it
>Realize I want more but I'm broke and all I have is a voucher left
Frick real life problems and frick the fans for hooking me up on this beautiful series. Now I want to play all the games but the best I can do is get Pikmin 4.
I thought games were free if you wished for them to be free nowadays
Don't have a decent computer for emulation, switch is an OLED and my phone is too dog water to emulate too.
Anon just emulate. I don't know if people insisting on buying everything are just dumb or underage.
Anon, wanting to pirate everything is the underage move, not the other way around, that's so ass backwards.
>not saving gaming bucks for traveling, prostitutes, food, hobbies you know the things you can't always get for free
Really?
>Traveling
>prostitutes
You lost me there. I'm not economically bankrupt, just don't have the money for games anymore. Temporarily to be more precise, till I help my family with some dire situation.
When I was a kid I didn't play all the games I wanted because I didn't have the money to buy them. When I learned about emulation in junior high lack of money was never a problem again. Thus, not emulating is child behavior.
That sounds like a mental gymnastics. A very bizarre one...but Im not judging. You do you and if it works then god damn, it works
Being too poor to buy shit and having to pirate it are the real signs of underage.
no I think he's right. At least in my social circles, piracy isn't about money, it's about convenience. I own my own house. I have never experienced financial stress. Doesn't mean I'm going to scour conventions or order used overpriced games online when I could just download them unless there's an issue with emulating that game.
Not considering piracy as an option I think is mostly a sign of tech illiteracy, which goes hand in hand with being either very young or very old. If it's for moral reasons though, I think that's a pretty good sign of underage.
It is something to look forward to later. The Wii U/3DS eShop didn't close up until this year, despite being dead for basically the entire life of the Switch. And as somebody else said, you can emulate. No judging, plus Gamecube emulation can't be that bad these days.
>gender politics in a pikmin thread
what gender do you see each pikmin type as?
for me it's
>definitely boy
red
blue
>definitely girl
yellow
purple
winged
>lean towards boy
white
>lean towards girl
ice
glow
>could go either way
rock
I see purple as male because they're like sumo wrestlers. In fact I think that's their name in Japanese, or something like that.
They do a sumo stomp when you see one for the first time as well
>t. playing through it right now and just saw this
I see all as cute anime girls.
It's weird that the Pikmin not only act childlike in their helplessness and curiosity but are explicitly described as such by Olimar so that this is definitely the image you have of them. It's weird because they all fight and die for you. The second game onwards takes a more comical tone, and all of those Pikmin shorts they made are very comical, and this alleviates it a bit, but the first game is totally earnest with only natural humor from some of Olimar's treasures.
If you punched any enemy or explosive rock for any reason at all, you didn't beat the game.
If you disbanded your Pikmin to only take a few at a time at any point, you didn't beat the game.
If you took more than ten days, you didn't beat the game.
If you used either spray underground, you didn't beat the game.
If you took more than ten purple pikmin underground, you didn't beat the game.
If you've never punched an exploding rock, then I can tell you've never played the game. Having that "what's this do?" moment or just hitting something by accident is pure Pikmin.
I'm about to beat you if you don't shut that mouth of yours.
I don't understand the dog. He looks like he can just do everything you'd normally need Pikmin for, faster. He looks like he just removes the point of having Pikmin. He's like a temporary power up or something except he can't be because he's such a core of the marketing so far.
Invincible pikmin to make punching things to death less appealing
He's literally your 2nd captain but you can ride him, what is so confusing?
In what way is the dog a captain? What the frick?
You can control him separately or give him orders, and he can throw pikmin. He's pretty much another captain. He also has his own seperate upgrades from the player character.
>everyone talking about pik1 to 4
where the frick are my HEY Pikmin bros?
What are you talking about? There are only 4 games. 1, 2,3,4.
plz anon don't do me like this! HEY Pikmin is good I swear!
>HEY Pikmin bros?
sause?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/520440/GUILTY_GEAR_Xrd_REV_2/
Is the game bad? No, but it's so low quality. There's no problem in it being 2D, but all the fruits are floating, whenever you find a treasure it just gets transported through a wormhole/portal thing instead of having Pikmin carrying it back. You don't really grow Pikmins, which is okay, but the scenario is really non believable.
They should've explained the scenarios were a lot of thin terrariums (that's my headcanon, by the way) and that you had to go throw them, and that's why there was no Pikmin Onions there and you were actually rescuing the Pikmins.
The technical parts of it are bad too, it's not 3D, it has pre rendered sprites all over, the battles don't feel like Pikmin battles. It could've been so much better, like the caves but in 2D.
Also, the director and writer are not the originals one, so it feels kinda off.
In general it's just best to think of it as non-canon.
Looking back, I really feel like it was a missed opportunity and just overall extremely baffling to not make Hey Pikmin a Metroidvania style game, especially with how popular those have been in the last few years. Like, Pikmin already has a pretty similar structure to those in some ways, so would making a 2D Pikmin that keeps the spirit of the 3D games been really that hard?
Yeah, you are right, it could've worked pretty well.
Yeah, but it looks so ugly.
The 3ds could only do so much, tbh
Haven't seen anyone talk about how they made it so that pressing B while holding a pikmin makes you drop it. Great change, you can just cancel throws now.
>the piklapedia entries olimar makes in 2 says that scholars debate over the details of particular creatures like bulborbs
>despite the fact that nobody has ever seen these things before except for olimar who gave them all their names, and he literally came straight back here on the same day he got home
So Olimar is just role playing in his entries and completely making shit up? I sure hope somebody was fired for this blunder.
>So Olimar is just role playing in his entries and completely making shit up
He really wants to be a scientist but got stuck working the equivalent of interplanetary trucker please understand
>Olimar, Louie, and the president are the only people who witness these creatures
>Ergo, they are scholars as they're the only ones with wisdom on the subject
>"scholarly debate" is actually just pure conjecture by 2 two space truckers and their boss
Maybe info about PNF-404 is being sent back to Hocotate during the events of 2?
There’s more pikmin people than just Olimar
Makes sense, Dandori battles will happen throughout the story
oh no oh no oh no it's the fabled Benis
It’s fricked up seeing 1’s enemy montage without all the weird beta elements
Also it seems like challenge mode might just be integrated into the story mode itself this time. Thoughts?
Interesting but not sure if I like it
Will have to play the game and see
>wake up
>realize how weird it is that we're getting what seem to be the most enormous areas in the series but we're only getting one and a half captain to explore them with
we're getting multiple landing sites for the first time but it's still fricking bizarre, like imagine if rockstar dropped gta6 tomorrow but they removed all drivable vehicles from the game so you had to walk everywhere. it really feels like it'd be a natural fit for 3's multitasking and three captains but they don't seem to be emphasizing time management at all, considering the apparent lack of any kind of time limit outside of dandori mode
trying not to be too pessimistic but my immediate reaction was that it looked like padding for the single-player campaign because they couldn't think of anything else to add. i guess it'll be nice to have at least one part of the game that forces you to be efficient but it looks really game-y and forced so i dunno. dandori battles look like a less fun version of pikmin 2's two-player battle mode complete with inferior music, but i'm sure they'll still be fun. the fricking mmo sidequest ui in the bottom left isn't inspiring confidence either
i feel like i keep shitting on the game left and right but i'm ultimately still excited for it? trying not to let Ganker pessimism take over me but it feels like there's been a 50/50 ratio of new things i love and new things i hate so far
>Pikmin 4 is going to be more like 2 but openworld with quests......Good.
Yeah it feels weird that they regressed back to 1 captain. I heard the dog can throw pikmins on his back, so maybe he will be playable or just an ally ai. Maybe they add more captains later in the game (upgrades maybe?), so you can increase your captain count.
My theory is since the map is going to be huge, I think they are going for a open world exploring type of game, so it will have no time limit, I don't even see a day count in any of the footage.
>my theory
It's very clearly more like 2 than 3 or 1 anon.
the first time they removed the day counter was in 3 deluxe, they replaced it with the amount of juice you had left instead and i thought it was fricking stupid but i didn't think they'd axe it in 4 too. i hate the new ui in general but the day counter was such a recognizable part of 1, 2, and 3 that this feels like the most glaring regression they've made
the map doesn't seem to be open world since they're still referring to different areas and the new beach area looks completely different from anything we've seen so far. hoping they're at least fun to explore if there's no time limit to deal with
another thing i'm kinda disappointed by: i don't really like that 4 seems to be copying 3's "YOU ARE A HERO ON A MISSION TO SAVE LITERALLY EVERYONE" premise again, i loved how 1 was a weird, hostile yet intimate survival story and 2 was just a dumb little game about a bunch of doofuses trying to save their lame freight company, on the surface at least. feels like they keep trying to elevate the stakes when i'm not sure that's actually what i wanted out of pikmin
3's multitasking gets fricking insane if you're trying to optimize the story mode or platinum rank everything in mission mode, they just didn't utilize it well enough in the main campaign. i love caves but i also love pikmin 1 for being a fun time attack game, so it kinda sucks seeing them drop the ball a little on 3's time management and then abandoning it almost entirely in 4
i'd take the million dollars and then throw (You) into the grinder for even suggesting that louie should be put in one
This. Out of all the strange choices they are going to make in 4, the one I hate the most is the main character is going to be (YOU). I'm just going to stick with a default option for name and appearance.
I genuinely dislike CaC and I don't get why people enjoy it. Every game that has it has a less engaging story by default. SF6's world tour is a recent example of this.
I don't really agree, Olimar is practically a silent protagonist in Pikmin 2, the Ship is the main character in that game and the story was more or less unchanged. Letting people make their own Pikmin OCs is a fun idea thay I'm sure many fans have wanted.
>what are voyage logs
>what are piklopedia notes
Yeah totally, Olimar is blank self-insert character.
No anon, I don't want that.
I am boring. I don't need to learn about my life. I want to grow attached to a character as I learn more about them. I can't do that with a OC.
Who the hell grew attached to the protags of 3? Alph might as well be an OC.
That's just because 3's story is shit. I really liked Olimar in 1. Reading his nightly diary entries about his relationship with the pikmin and how he longed for his family really helped me connect with him.
No, that can't be. Everyone is saying 3 is the best because of it's high quality and time limit mechanic.
Every pikmin game exceeds at something different. 4 looks like it'll probably have the best exploration in the series but 3 will probably still remain the most 'strategic.
Actually 4 will probably just be a better version of 2.
I think the strange relationship between Olimar and the pikmin is a core element of the first game. They follow his commands with near certainty that many will die, and it's unclear ingame if it's simply their nature or if there's a closer bond. The two songs by Strawberry Flower that accompanied the game focus on this theme to great success. Ai no Uta 愛の歌, describing how the pikmin throw themselves into danger for Olimar with no expectation of reciprocation with a hint that they enjoy their time together. Namida ga Afureta 涙が溢れた, Captain Olimar's regret that he didn't show his appreciation for the pikmin while he could.
Pikmin are moronic animals that benefit from Olimar's leadership and use him to become more powerful, moving up in the food chain. He just projects emotional traits onto them but they're hive insects designed to follow a leader or queen. Relationship my ass they're little plant Black folk
You don't know that. I love my Pikmin and they love me.
How can you live like that, knowing thousands of Pikmin who love you die in droves?
me btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0hkexneqqc
Charlie is definitely a likeable character. Alph not so much but I enjoyed his engineering takes on the enemy characteristics, somewhat similar to Olimar's notes.
Alph is too damn flat for his own good, but Charlie is good. Brittany is kind of fun character if you like the fact that she's a c**t.
still naively hoping that we'll get end-of-day logs or emails or some kind of equivalent in 4 even though the protagonist is a silent oc this time around. colin the serial killer muppet, shepherd and walter white all seem like actual characters so maybe they'll write a mission report at the end of every day or something? it's one of those things that seems inconsequential but really adds a lot to the series
it's fun in some games, but pikmin having defined protagonists with actual personalities like olimar is what helped it stand out from so many other nintendo ips. really dislike how nutendo seems to be trying to make every franchise similar to each other in some way, do they really think 4 isn't going to sell well enough if it doesn't let you make your own scrimblo?
The doggos we are seeing aren't the race that looks like the Bulborbs. I want to see then eventually.
Could just be a retconned design because Oatchi with eye stalks would be a lot creepier.
we could've seen one in 4... but they took it away from us in favor of the reddit dog 🙁
2chads, we are so fricking back
waifugays with bad taste like brittany and anyone worh their salt thought charlie was pretty cool. they seemed to try giving alph a little bit of a personality in that he's happy-go-lucky and kind of a doofus i guess, but he still kinda sucks
The Not-Olimar dog could've been this one.
2 captains is plenty to do all the multitasking you need in Pikmin, this isn't fricking starcraft.
feels like pikmin sequels are less "this is the previous game but better" and more "this is the gimmick for this entry"
especially when you have all 4 on the same system now
wanted to bring that up but my crippling pseudo adhd got the better of me. the pikmin planet rapidly evolved inbetween both sequels, in 2 we see that all of the pikmin 1 areas have radically changed and are seasonal now for some reason even though olimar's barely been gone for that long, and in 3 suddenly the planet is fricking pangaea now and it's called "pnf-404". this only makes sense if 4 takes place after 3, but maybe the planet's altered itself again and now it actually has humans living on it? (maximum cope)
2 had some remnants of human civilization in it but it wasn't screaming "THIS IS EARTH, THIS IS A HOUSE, HUMANS LIVE IN IT. BTW PIKMIN TAKES PLACE ON EARTH, EARTH EARTH EARTH" like pikmin 4 is with its clean, modern human house and big ass garden area. it's not the fact that human stuff is in the game but how it's being presented that's concerning autists like me
you should 100% pikmin 2 again and make it a 5-day zero deaths run too. i think it'd be funny
I don’t really mind if we get something like the mission mode in 3
If we don’t, I’ll be upset
I've been playing through Pikmin 1. It's really good. I only played a tiny bit of it as a kid. It was too stressful. I got to the second level and it freaked me out too much. As an adult, it's obviously pretty easy, although I do think the game does a good job of creating the illusion of stress even when I know I'm on a good pace.
Also, why the hell do those stick ladder shortcuts not stay built? I wasted time setting those up and then they reset.
If you could have $1 Million USD deposited in your bank account, or you could throw Louie into an Industrial Grinder and watch, which would you pick?
Louie did nothing wrong.
I don't remember Pikmin 1 being THIS fricking glitchy, why is the Switch port so janked?
All those glitches existed in the original, the Libra one is pretty infamous.
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It's time for some Shock Therapy
I’m really hoping that 4 doesn’t have a treasure that needs 100 purples to carry
>we are going to need to farm 100 purples again in 4
Anyone else replaying all 3 games leading up to 4? Yeah, feels good to be a Pikmin CHAD right now...
You guys got all of the PIKMIN ICONS for your Switch this week, right anons?
No Rock Pikmin so no
they'll be in soon, there's no reason not to get all of them. platinum points are good for nothing else.
Why is everyone shitting on 2 ? It had a really good multiplayer mode, and it gave a lot more levels to explore compared to 1.
I hate how it made a bunch of pretty areas and then made you spend all your time in shitty caves
It's just one autist, he just never played 2.
So far Pikmin 2 has been the worst one in the series.
I really don't see how 2 isn't better than 1 in nearly every way.
Far more content and enemies and places to explore. Not to mention the motherfricking piklopedia.
is my game glitched? they won't pick this fricker up
classic pikmin 1 jank
This one is so problematic. It can literally fall out of the scenario and you'll never be able to 100% the game. Try to reset this day.
>dive to new floor
>this fricker farts on my Pikmin the instant I start to move
>my plants run straight into hazards and other enemies
>forced to reset
Is this butthole going to be in 4?
Yes he's in
Those guys aren't too bad.
This fricker here didn't cost me any piks but it legit scared the shit out of me when it started buzzing.
I also had a bad encounter with a cannon beetle larva, physics was on its side one day.
Kek. I lost ~45 ‘mins earlier because they finished killing an enemy and ran back to me right into electricity. Instant reset
I only ever played Pikmin 1.
I remember loving it and feeling like I lost a friend when even a single pikmin died, to the point I kept resetting until going 100% with 0 deaths. Felt satisfying and felt right, even when losing like 50minutes every reset when I was like 12.
Which Pikmin should I play 20 years later?
What fun stuff did they add in the sequels?
Any there any that are safe to skip?
>Which Pikmin should I play 20 years later?
Pikmin 2, it's the closest to pikmin 1, and less frustrating to play deathless. I think Pikmin 2 is genuinely the best game ever made
guys ... pikmin 2 is such a good fricking game holy shit. first time playing it, the dungeons are all super unique and fun, the enemy variety is awesome, and I love the piklopedia so much
are 1 and 3 just as good? my friend told me to play 2 first and so far it's blowing me away, such an incredible game for the time it was released.
>my friend told me to play 2 first
Based
Play 1 and 3 as well, they're all good. Honestly the most perfect nintendo series there is
>most perfect
I dropped 2 because it sucked. One of the most glaring examples of quantity over quality.
>BOO HOO MUH TIME
Starting with 2 might have been a mistake because the other 2 games are really different.
1 is a great game, albeit very short, way shorter than 2. 3 is even more different with way more emphasis on strategy elements and less on exploration.
You should know also that 2 has the most enemies out of any game in the series, even more than 3 did. It was also the only game with dungeons, it was absent in 1 and didn't return in 3. They're all still worth playing.
Also if you love 2, it seems like 4 is gonna be a lot like that one, it's bringing back caves and looks like it has a ton of enemies in it.
Yes.
pikmin squad shooter
WAIT DID THEY RE-ADD THE DWARF BULBORB SCREAMS WHEN YOU KILL THEM?
in the wii port i remember they removed their cries when you kill squish them
>in the wii port i remember they removed their cries when you kill squish them
They replaced them with weird beeps instead, it was a porting error
It was a re-sampling error with the audio. The noises were extremely sped up.
With the passing years, I just forgot how much I loved pikmin
I'm playing 1+2 right now, these games are made by the very gods
I can't fricking wait for 4, Gankerros
>already replayed the games when the last big direct had a Pikmin 4 trailer
>now I'm jonesing again and the demo is still a couple days away
help
im excited for the demo bros
For me, it's Olimar passing as a Pikmin to hide from the interdimensional monster fixated on him.
YWNBAP
all of the pikmin outside the original 3 look like shit. they should all be nearly identical with one trait different. purple and white came closest, but the extra bells and whistles make them look shitty.
White and pink pikmin are lovely.
And glows are cute, you can make genkidama with them I like them
white purple and flying are literally this you absolute grump
I just hate the stupid bug dog. I hope they get rid of it. It completely ruins the aesthetic of Pikmin.
That green dog could easily pass off as a regular ass enemy.
You know the worst looking enemy in the entire series? That fricking electric rat thing from Pikmin 3. Good lord what a disgusting creature.
>That green dog could easily pass off as a regular ass enemy.
No it could not. There is always a surreal or horror element to most of the enemies.
Bought these in Japan earlier this year, thought you guys would appreciate knowing it exists. They taste ok. Not the best gummies but they're Pikmin!!
no white rat poison gummy?
>ywn buy cheap mass-produced pikmin-branded merchandise
yeah i could get a crappy walmart bottle but it's not the same 🙁 what if one of the treasures in pikmin 4 is pikmin merch. we need to go full circle
I don't have a picture on me but I also bought a Pikmin envelope set and some notepads while there. I gave my gf a small congratulations letter when she beat Pikmin 1 yesterday for the first time with a tiny yellow Pikmin eraser inside.
i wish i had some kind of partner or autistic soulmate that cared about as pikmin as much as i did :/
this would be weird and i alsohave no idea, but i found it noteworthy that we seemingly get reds, blues, and yellows all on day 1, the trailer cuts right from lisa plucking her first reds to her whistling a group of those three types. i'm honestly kind of stunned that they seemingly trust normies enough to handle more than one or two types on the first day, makes me worried that the differences between each type are going to be inconsequential if there are so many to choose from
assuming that they'll just send out more deep fried bulborbs or whatever once the clock gets closer to dawn, i'm sincerely hoping there's more to night mode than we're getting in the trailers but i'm starting to doubt it. also goddamn that new time gauge sucks
was overlord actually dogshit this entire time? mandy sucks so i'd rather hear opinions from the 5 non-ecelebs who actually played it
it's a quirky comfy b-tier nintendo series and there isn't much to ragebait about, and the small handful of us who always liked pikmin are still autistic enough to discuss the actual games and come up with fanon bullshit. the worst shitflinging i usually see are the "WHICH GAME IS TEH BEST" debates and every series has those. even the subr*ddit is mostly just deranged zoomers posting unhinged memes. i guarantee that even with 4 and the 1+2 ports, the series won't suddenly become mainstream because it's the textbook definition of weird japanese normie repellant
>this would be weird and i alsohave no idea, but i found it noteworthy that we seemingly get reds, blues, and yellows all on day 1, the trailer cuts right from lisa plucking her first reds to her whistling a group of those three types. i'm honestly kind of stunned that they seemingly trust normies enough to handle more than one or two types on the first day, makes me worried that the differences between each type are going to be inconsequential if there are so many to choose from
Not to be a contrarian anon but I think during the first day you simply find red and the main three captains that allow you to buy the basic equipment (Sheperd for the dog, Collin for the rewind and move on to the next day, and the lab guy). However you're right that it seems they will allow you to lose Pikmin on the first day, as a dwarf bulborb apparently killed at least three Pikmin.
i wouldn't put it past nintendo to stage something like that for a trailer but goddamn this is weird. i'm pretty sure we see the blue onion in the background behind elmo olimar and bad oatchi when they show up so if they aren't found on the 1st day, then i imagine we'll get a lot of them pretty quickly either way since we've seen so a lot of footage of the og types from 1 + icemin running around already. maybe that rewind screenshot was taken early enough in the day before other types are introduced? frick who knows, i wish they didn't remove the stupid day counter because it'd make this slightly easier to speculate on
also if you can lose pikmin on day 1 then goddamn i hope they bring back the pikmin extinction cutscene. you're SUPPOSED to feel bad when all of them die, 3's take on it with the onion instantly spitting a seed back out and one of the captains going "aw gee whiz. we should be more careful :^)" was fricking pathetic. too bad modern nintendo's been scared to death of making manchildren and toddlers feel potentially negative emotions for eons now
I don't like how you can rewind by the minute now. Rewind a day, I guess that's fine, but literally if a fight goes wrong you can rewind it immediately.
I know they do this for their NES games and that's one thing, but Pikmin's easy enough, if you can just rewind any bad mistake what's the point?
2 already let you savescum in caves and reset whenever something went wrong, so this just feels like the pikmin team going "lol frick it" and adding in a built-in rewind function instead of actually addressing the core issue. i'm guilty of doing it so i can't say i hate it but it does feel very questionable. at least the mike matei "if you rewinded time, you did NOT beat the game" memes will probably be funny
That's adorable!
Is Pikmin Bloom good?
It's just a pikmin themed walking app.
I wish they didn't drop the claymation/real models aesthetic. I don't want to use the S word, but c'mon.
Anyone has any idea how discovering a new type will work in this game? Here is my guess:
>You can choose up to three types a day
>You cannot change which types you choose during the day
>However, you'll be able to use more than three types when you find a new type during the day of your exploration
>After the discovery, they'll return to your onion and become a new type you can choose to use
The question remaining is: how do Purple, White and Ice work as they have no onion? How do you select them? Something is strange.
Maybe whites and purples will get their own onion
have we seen any indication of wild onions? what if all types are available at the start?
We do see one next to Notolimar as well as a Yellow onion earlier. What is strange though is that there is a wild onion when the player already has Yellow Pikmin with them...
I'm thinking that maybe you'll be able to find extra types to use during the day on the field.
a good point anon.
there's every chance they cutscene it and you don't discover and grow them with your squad like in 1 and 2, but more like when brittany finds the yellow pikmin in 3.
I'm someone who stopped playing Pikmin around Pikmin 2. Is 3 any good at all? I heard it kinda stunk.
It was better than 2. I'm not a huge fan of the gimmick of extra people to control though. Made it seem more like a lame strategy game than a fusion between tactics and adventure.
3 looks fantastic, the controls are excellent, and the three captains feature is great for pinging around the (slightly) bigger maps.
It isn't particularly hard and there isn't massive enemy variety like in 2 however.
3 is my favorite in the series because it’s beautifully polished, but the campaign is too easy compared to other games.
When 3 first came out it was a disdapointment to 2 gays since it didnt really follow up on that games formula at all and went more back to being like 1.
It DIDNT have a piklopedia and also had less enemies and bosses than 2. It also didn't have the cool DLC challenge stages at launch. Nowadays with 3DX I'd say it's seen a lot more favorably.
Also the original release of 3 had this SUPER annoying ass blue boarder around it every time you locked onto an enemy, and you HAD to lock on to things to charge.
>Yfw you realize every enemy in the Formidable Oak are just segments of the Plasm Wraith mimicking other creatures of the world
Are there any other games like Pikmin? Any RTS games that are similar?
overlord but it truly sucks.
mandalore has a video on it if you don't mind spoilers.
Good thread, you min fans are alright. How is this the only series you can actually talk about on this shitty board?
There’s not much to shitpost about
Because there are not that many of us, and we are not a big target like Zelda or Final Fantasy, which attracts more people coming for blood.
Also, despite their flaws, I'd say all Pikmin games are genuinely good games on their own merits. We also only have three mainline games and one spinoff, so not so much to talk about.
>when you put an alien in your spaceship and remove their helmet
Death would have been a preferably outcome for louie.
Besides, hocotatians and koppaites are familiar races
You literally cannot kill Louie, he was left alone on the planet and just breathed the oxygen because he's a freak that can survive anything
God it's been so long since I played a Pikmin game. Wasn't Louie a villain at the end of Pikmin 2?
It is kinda weird that he goes from actively trying to kill Olimar to working with him and being concerned that he was in danger in 3 as if nothing happened
People change I guess
He was not concerned for Olimar at all
Louie literally left his ass for dead after he got nabbed by the Plasm Wraith, then he tried to escape, crashed the ship, got kidnapped, stole the Koppaites' food, and ran off
I don't know dude, I played the game in French and apparently it was not so much as he was controlling the big spider that he was just able to make it understand he was no threat.
I know it's moronic but apparently when the Titan Dweevil uses his treasures, it's not for attacking but simply part of his natural behavior. Louie being a villain is not exactly correct, he is selfish but he also doesn't want to kill Olimar and the President, he just wants to taste good food.
>The Gemstar Wife was renamed to the Pink Gemstar
>The Gemstar Husband was renamed to the Green Gemstar
Think I'm keeping my Gamecube copy.
What the frick is with Pikmin 2's port randomly changing shit like this? What, is husband and wife suddenly offensive now? Actually, don't answer that...
picrel 🙂
you get an a+ for effort
>picrel 🙂
aren't the switch ports based on the european versions of the game?
Oh crap he's back.
Sup b***h.
>pikmin threads hitting bump limit again
going to try and enjoy it while it lasts o7
It's been nice
There's been a slight resurgence of old final fantasy threads too now since FFXVI was trashy enough to reignite interest and Barry is too busy to catch every thread
Is there any significance to the file size of Pikmin 4 being 12 GB? For comparison Pikmin 1 + 2 is 2.1 GB and Pikmin 3 Deluxe is 6.5.