>they look like shit just woven into the pants
Yeah. Like actual combat pant kneepads. I will give you that they'd look less jarring if they weren't painted such a stand-out color but there's nothing wrong with the concept.
They look extremely out of place compared to the scifi-ified WWII gear that they use for everything else. If they wanted kneepads that badly they should have sculpted some straps, just like pretty much literally every other kneepad-wearing Imperial miniature in the game's history.
They don't take design elements from WW2 gear at all to begin with
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>Saying this when they are equiped with Las-Garanda and the Sargeant Thompson Autogun
is this bait
4 weeks ago
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The Las gun doesn't look like a grand anymore than it looks like an m14 or the mk 14, and the autogun doesn't have any shared qualities with Thompson that aren't also present on countless other guns.
4 weeks ago
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Yeah, that's bait.
4 weeks ago
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Point out one aspect of the garand or Thompson that is unique to them and present on the lasguns/autoguns
4 weeks ago
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Sure, apart from >the webbing >the pouches >the backpacks >the bedrolls >the gaiters >the fatigues >the fabric helmet cover painted almost identically to the ones used by the Marines in the Pacific >the sergeant's SMG >the rifle-grip lasguns >the Rogal Dorn >the tank crew's helmets
4 weeks ago
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-Webbing isn't unique to ww2 fatigues and the ones on the guardsman aren't any closer to ww2 webbing than any other webbing
-the pouches on guardsman appear to use round fastners on the top of the pouch where as WW2 pouches has buckles or fastners on a strap that went over the top of the pouch
-the backpacks are much smaller than most WW2 backpacks and don't specifically look like any
-other than being bedrolls there aren't really any unique details to point to
-gaiters in WW2 are tied, and were made of the same material as the fatigues, the gaiters on guardsman appear to be a seperate more rigid material like leather or armour, are secured with button clasps
- what fabric helmet cover?
-The autogun doesn't take any design elements unique to any ww2 weapons and isn't even an smg, it's a rifle that can be belt fed
-a rifle grip isn't unique to WW2 weaponry
- we're talking about the guardsman models not the tank models, the tanks incorporate a variety of parts from tanks from ww1 through vietnam
- the tank crew's helmets have visible padding that tank crews didn't have in WW2 and more coverage of the face and back of the neck
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4 weeks ago
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Not being actual, literal 1:1 recreations of specific real-world equipment doesn't mean that it doesn't "take design elements" from them, autist-kun.
4 weeks ago
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But only having vague design elements that are present amongst equipment from various time periods doesn't make something based on a single specifc time period.
3 weeks ago
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Anon you got fricking rekt and this is embarrassing, sit down
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Holy shit underrated post
You might not win the argument but I love your spirit
4 weeks ago
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>They don't take design elements from WW2 gear at all to begin with
Oh really?
4 weeks ago
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are you blind or just stupid?
4 weeks ago
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Point out one detail from this man's equipment that isn't present on equipment from any other time period and is incorporated into the guardsman design
4 weeks ago
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>blocky piece of shit is automatically a garand because it has a rifle grip
3 weeks ago
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Esthetic turbo autism or just denials.
Nearly all the IG regiments look like either ww1, ww2, or some kind of futuristic napoleonic era infantry. Cadia included, although to less a degree than others.
they're too much armor for expendable conscripts, but not enough to really feel plated up to a higher tier of troop.
am i the only one that thinks they look good
they are afraid
I think they look fine aside from the kneepads, but then it's hard to have a strong opinion on the look of a guardsman squad beyond "yes that is definitely a squad of guardsmen"
Oh my god shut up about the knee pads. You can file them off in like 10 second each, no one cares.
Talk about actual important design queues. like the pauldrons being weirdly offset, and the chest armour being hung so low if offers basically no protection to the neck. Why is their collar so low?
That was criticism, not praise. Don't worry about fixing your illiteracy though anon because luckily you'll have killed yourself long before you exert the effort to correct it.
>no much difference
Why does /tg/ attract so many blind morons?
Anywat these models are a massive improvment. Old plastic guard were some of the shittiest models gw ever made.
You zoomer homosexuals need to pick up a file. You’ve never had to carve an arm into the pose you want and it shows. Back in my day*tm I’d have given my right arm to have the posing options we have now.
Agreed. I made mine Tallarn themed.
Fricking sick anon. I know it’s just an alternate head but I guess that’s what passes for kitbashing these days. But it really is cool.
It can't be objective truth because there is no such thing as racism, natural prejudice is totally normal and healthy and all organisms have it
You’re moronic. That’s not even the point of my post. It’s just that important you to know you have a moronic animal brain and you probably won’t breed.
These suck. So does the old ones. All cadians except Kasrkin are shit and have always been.
They make krieg, which is a lot better. You can also use their models to make iceborns (the actual nazis) and mess around with the agents of imperium to make iron guard.
Why do you care so much about what redditors think? You can't get downvotes on here man, chill, at worst someone will call you a Black personhomosexual for posting your "reddit regiment" because they're the same sort of dumbfrick you are.
I know you are trying to fit in on a anonymous website like a pussy. I know people still love to scream reddit, but that ship sailed fricking years ago back when morons here had a shit fit over 9gag and other places stealing "our" content. Let's just say - Ganker lost that fight. Its all the same morons across platforms.
I remember when you could get Cadians, Catachans, Mordians, Steel Legion, Vostroyans, Tallarn, Attilans, and Valhallans. The hella generic Cadians and Catachans got plastics and then nobody wanted to pay for metal anymore, so the others just sat on the website until stocks were finally gone.
Cost mostly. It takes resources simply to design miniatures and with injection molding the molds themselves are very high cost (hundreds of thousands of dollars) requiring long production runs to be worth their cost. If it costs as much to design a squad of Vostroyans as Cadians and you're producing ten different regiments you're spending ten times as much for far less than a ten times increase in sales (even if literally nobody likes Cadians best plenty like them enough to buy them for their army). Also if you want unique regiments just buy third party.
Yeah, tooling costs for plastic injection moulds are several thou per runner. And you're going to need a lot of new moulds if you want to see all these other regiments in plastic, that's a lot of moulds needing tooling
Yeah, tooling costs for plastic injection moulds are several thou per runner. And you're going to need a lot of new moulds if you want to see all these other regiments in plastic, that's a lot of moulds needing tooling
they have the money but it's not worth the return on investment when compared to making more sculpts of space marines instead
Well yeah, obviously they have the money, it's never a question of >can they afford it?
it's always >what's going to generate more revenue?
It was fine back in the days of metal minis, when you could throw together a cheap silicone spin casting mould for peanuts and it'd pay for itself in no time even if it barely shifted any units (+ the ability to melt down excess stock for re-use at a push). That's what's really been lost
>the molds themselves are very high cost (hundreds of thousands of dollars)
That is a lie that is 100% false. Even if they were farming out the production of these things, it still wouldn't be even close to that number.
Then consider that GW do their designs and production in-house. There would be one or more permanently employed staff who look after this stuff. It's a basic level of effort cost for the personnel and they're really only going to spend money on the billets of metal to CNC (the CNC machine has been paid for years ago).
This bullshit GW-apology needs to be stopped. It then inevitably turns into an attempt at justifying the ludicrous prices that the company charges.
Stop it.
[...]
they have the money but it's not worth the return on investment when compared to making more sculpts of space marines instead
>not worth the return on investment
This is something more like it.
The highest cost in producing a mold is in the labor. Which is where I think it gets confused, anyway the point remains that they're paying designers 100k a yearwhether they make 1 tool or a million.
Obviously, the milling and metal cost nothing because they make a new tool for the free mini of the month, but they use the same design from a figure found in the boxes.
>the molds themselves are very high cost (hundreds of thousands of dollars)
That is a lie that is 100% false. Even if they were farming out the production of these things, it still wouldn't be even close to that number.
Then consider that GW do their designs and production in-house. There would be one or more permanently employed staff who look after this stuff. It's a basic level of effort cost for the personnel and they're really only going to spend money on the billets of metal to CNC (the CNC machine has been paid for years ago).
This bullshit GW-apology needs to be stopped. It then inevitably turns into an attempt at justifying the ludicrous prices that the company charges.
Stop it.
[...] >not worth the return on investment
This is something more like it.
Cost mostly. It takes resources simply to design miniatures and with injection molding the molds themselves are very high cost (hundreds of thousands of dollars) requiring long production runs to be worth their cost. If it costs as much to design a squad of Vostroyans as Cadians and you're producing ten different regiments you're spending ten times as much for far less than a ten times increase in sales (even if literally nobody likes Cadians best plenty like them enough to buy them for their army). Also if you want unique regiments just buy third party.
>(hundreds of thousands of dollars)
This is just a blatant lie. Proven wrong by the fact that other companies can make molds of plastic figures at very reasonable prices.
Lets not argue if Victrix, Archon Studios Perry or WGA are on the same level as GW, but they continue to make molds for plastic figures in Europe (WGA in the USA) for way less money than GW does.
So either GW is paying way too much for their molds and they are bad at doing business, or they just know they can charge way more money for their stuff.
But if WGA can run a tiny crowdfunding campaign (tiny compared to what Archon Studios or Reaper are doing), collect less than 300k USD, and still manage to release 13 sets of miniatures with that money shows how much a tool for one sprue actually costs. Certainly not hundreds of thousands. More like 10-15k.
The typically quoted amount for model kits is between 2k and 10k per sprue, with it hitting the upper end for a sprue that's larger and has more complex parts. I don't know where the frick people have got 'hundreds of thousands' from, but tens-of-thousands for a single kit with multiple large, densely filled runners is a reasonable estimate
As an example; for FY 2021/22, GW spent £5.7 million on tooling moulds (https://assets.ctfassets.net/ost7hseic9hc/4wT1AjfBUUX6HWQ0HhAAnu/ac4403cd600cef16674bfa20462a280b/2021-22-accounts-Final-NoM.pdf), rising to £6.7 million in 2022/23 (https://assets.ctfassets.net/ost7hseic9hc/3Bxadr0YTIX0hGl1H7DPGe/8e1361726a8e0c8dfef9bcdae8299480/2022-23_accounts_-_final.pdf)
You are talking out of your fricking hole as usual, every single steel mould GW ever made made its money back within weeks at most, different IG regiments would increase sales of models as a person would buy different regiments. The reason they never did it is literally because GW is rotten to the core with a corporate culture that has totally destroyed all innovation and can now only pump out shit
But they are. The latest codex trashed the entire idea of homogenous regiments in favor of a melting pot of "famous IG units". They will likely keep cranking out "totally made for kill team" IG themed boxes. Its low hanging fruit, and that way they dont have to make more than one of any particular set.
>not content to misuse the term melting pot in another thread >american poltard sperg goes on a shit posting spree posting it in every thread
homosexual brained poltard
Honestly they look alright to me, even with the kneepads. My bigger issue is the very slight scale creep. That said if I were to start a loyalist Guard force I'd go 3P/printed and do a homebrew regiment of some form.
I kind of want to do Tallarn, but to do it justice I'd really want to give them the big baggy sleeves too. Which is doable, I guess, take some Catachan arms and greenstuff over them. But man, that's a lot of fricking sleeves to do even for like 1k of dudes
the rifles are too long. the kneepads, rifle butt and barrel are painted the wrong colour. some of the heads/helmets are oversized or vice versa. there's too many straps and the little lip on the helmet serves no purpose but to distract the eyes from the rest of the model.
they really need a headswap to be salvageable so they'd probably make good GSC brood brothers if you got some heads from somewhere.
I'm not an IG player but I would be if the new Cadian range was of an acceptable standard to me. Its either that or grinding out some boxes of krieg and/or converting them into valhallans but I've got plenty of other projects to work on so I don't need a time sink like that.
I literally just listed all my issues with the new guardsmen. Krieg i'd pay the GW premium for (in reality I'd buy the killteam starter set multiple times and sell off the rest) but personally for me there are too many design errors with the current cadians to want to pay the price they are selling them for.
What a shit take, the old plastic cadians were the most generic soulless slop GW ever devised. I'm not exactly a fan of the new ones, but the old ones were even more devoid of character.
Middle Cadians feel like a Suit at GW saw Starship Troopers and told a sculptor to make that in miniature form.
Or maybe he saw one of the billion other movies and TV shows that the Starship Troopers surplus armor appeared in.
i always find it ironic when people say stuff like this because the original Cadian design came first and the ST movie quite possibly ripped off the Cadian design not the other way around.
Like almost everything in 40k it was probably both. 40k originally took influence from generic sci-fi, the starship troopers movie then took inspiration from generic sci-fi which now included 40k, then 40k took inspiration from the starship troopers movie when going forward
same shit as tyranids being inspired by xenomorphs, then inspiring starcraft, then taking design influence from starcraft
thats the thing, my point has nothing to do with what you specified.
Like almost everything in 40k it was probably both. 40k originally took influence from generic sci-fi, the starship troopers movie then took inspiration from generic sci-fi which now included 40k, then 40k took inspiration from the starship troopers movie when going forward
same shit as tyranids being inspired by xenomorphs, then inspiring starcraft, then taking design influence from starcraft
Not really, the Cadian design existed in the early 90s. ST was late 90s. The entire reason the ST design even exists is because they didnt have the money to portray power armour on screen. So they changed the starship troopers to infantry.
right, but when designing the infantry armor they probably took inspiration from different sci-fi properties. Like the colonial marines in aliens and probably 40k. The plastic cadians came out in the early 2000s. They probably took some cues from the movie mobile infantry. But youre right that the metal cadians were already like 80% of what the plastic ones were.
thats the thing, my point has nothing to do with what you specified.
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Not really, the Cadian design existed in the early 90s. ST was late 90s. The entire reason the ST design even exists is because they didnt have the money to portray power armour on screen. So they changed the starship troopers to infantry.
I agree on your answers but add that Gulf War 1 was happening around the time of the Early Cadian release and a lot of influences came from the US troops equipment.
Kevlar armour was also becoming very common on the battlefield.
General Schwartzkopf in Picrel also inspired the original Cadian lieutenant.
Anyone that uses the term soul is automatically a moron who’s opinions should be immediately discarded as it was spoken by a moron that can’t articulate his opinions without appealing to an absolute platitude rather than owning up to the fact that the statement is his opinion. That being said the knee pads look bad lmao
>mental illness
Another spook dreamt up to control morons like you, watch out for transphobes under the bed anon, one day you will pass as the pretty girl I know you are deep inside
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Anon if an antisemite discriminates against an individual because they assume they are israeli.
Thats blatantly a real form of discrimination.
One day you will be discriminated against like that and maybe you'll understand.
>(5th Edition)
That's very obviously not a 5E Codex. That's the 3.5E Codex cover formatting, not the 4E/5E formatting with the gunmetal border and the big bluegreen 40k logo at the top. This isn't even someone just being a newhomosexual, this is someone being a newbie who's too dumb to use Google
>that's black
Oh look, troons fail at life. >entire art and model line >no blacks >some dirty dude >oh look cadians are black
Leftists and their ilk need extermination.
The time spent seething at that thread and putting together this image could have been spent painting models, riding a bike, reading a book, or cleaning the house.
I swear the most racist pieces of shit I've ever encounter is not some gringo redneck, but the average lefty.
They see someone with a darker skin and immediately call it black. Racist shits all of them
They're neat but it's not a replacement. Vostroyans are the best designed basic human infantry in the game. Hell, probably in tabletop. They're basically perfect.
Yep. I love Vostroyans. Too bad I lost my entire Vostroyan collection 18 years ago when I left for the army. By the time I was in a position to start collecting 40k again, the Vostroyan models were gone.
I did find some Vostroyan STL files though, but they don't quite have the same feel as the real models.
They've just got a really nice blend of historical, scifi, gothic ornate, and unique character. They look like what guardsmen should in the more gothic takes on the setting. They also don't go too hard on any specific "omg rambo/gasmask trenchers" kind of obvious lifted aesthetic.
Their lore is also cool because they are like a sane version of Krieg. Vostroya is also repenting for a past transgression against the Imperium, but they didn't let that completely break their collective psyche and turn into insane zealots like Kriegers.
It's just cool to me that the lore is deep enough to show two planets reacting almost completely differently to similar sets of circumstances.
>They're basically perfect.
The stocks that are twig thin at the gripping point put the lie to you
Everything else about them is amazing but frick those stocks are vile, particularly the way they're all different sizes
>deliberately blows up Cadia, in a story push no one asked for >constantly release Cadians
Mind boggling. Also Vostroyans and Steel Legion are way better designs.
>every guard is cadia
Because they shipped a metric frickton of Regiments off world (Krieg would be #1 but they're like 1:100th of the population) and combined with Guard regiments being allowed to settle new planets or retire into PDF forces is the reason why most PDF/Guard is Cadian.
This is one of the dumber aspects of 40k lore that makes me seethe. >this planet is the first and only defense against a literal portal to hell >lets just send their troops to every galatic shithole except here, where it matters the most
Well logically Cadia would hit its carrying capacity sooner or later, especially since as a fortress world it does not support the same extent of population as a hive world. And since Cadians still frick they gotta send the excess somewhere.
all core fiction, historical references and 80s British punk culture has been misunderstood/ignored and aesthetically sterilised for "modern futurism" resulting in silicone valley carbon copy art, US military inspiration and US cultural story telling.
I think I have pinpointed what I don't like about them aside from a few aesthetic nitpicks [pants-integrated knee-pads vs strapped-on]
The new range has lost the clear masculine look that Cadians had. Square jaws with gritty faces. Athletic-framed bodies.
The new range has more average body-frames and the jaws on the heads are artificially narrowed and pointed by the neck-goiter things.
Look at the top three troopers in OPs image. Tight neck gaiters that narrow the facial profile.
The bottom two: loose goiter on the left isn't as bad and bandana boy has a soldi chin.
Also, another nitpick.
I love the boot gaiters, but the pants need to be more poofy at the tuck-in point. They're narrowed too much. They don't need ro look like cavalry pants, but they need something
I get the impressions that only zoomers who grew up knowing nothing but plastic cadians are super mad about the new cadians. Acting like the very soul of 40k hinges on IG wearing those goofy looking helmets like, like they didn't also look moronic compared to what came before them.
The new ones are a large improvement honestly, especially now that they have webbing gear that makes sense, the only thing i don't like is the varied lasguns and the american style gaiters. I grew up with original plastics, and always thought the metal ones looked better and more realistic.
I’m sorry but if you want to do Elysians there are a lot of god alternatives. They’re the quintessential sci-if trooper. These are the council marine helmets from Anvil Industries.
The whole point of Elysians is that they’re rich and really well equipped so the more modrrn-looking the better.
this one makes me mad
I would have been fine with the changes if they just kept the mask the same and the ankles skinny
the mask is too over designed now and the legs are fatty cartoon proportioned just like every disney/pixar/league of legends/WoW rip off character
I think they did the legs part due to plastic limitations. The main difference is with the guard kneepads is that the kneepads when shaven off will look stupid, where as the gas mask will still look fine even with the little metal bit on the front gets shaven off.
I got an image in my head about a loyalist planet that was ancient egypt themed worshiping giant stone statues of Big E and the primarchs styled like pic related, and then I started wondering what a guard regiment on this planet would look like and specialize in.
For aesthetics, it would be gold, bronze, and white, with higher ranks wearing more elaborate and gilded armor, covered in wings and israeliteels and such.
As for specialization, I thought about what egypt was good at, or known for, and came up with chariots / chariot archers. So they'd be a fast, hit and run regiment with light and fast vehicles. A unique vehicle would be a grave chariot, which would be a hover bike pulling a grav sled that has your choice of half a squad of guardsmen, or a heavy bolter / las turret.
combine elements of the French foreign legion with Egyptian pharaoh headress shit and you've got a swanky looking infantry kit
For the main bodies of your dudes, grab the desert rat kit from warlord I think and then clip the legs and glue on some historical roman sandal feet. Add/paint/greenstuff whatever you need to blend it into the 40k canvas
40k hours in ms paint a basic concept to work towards
digging the look, but I'd lean heavier on a uniform....custom jobs can become overwhelming. id do what you've got going on with the basic and honor guard on either like desert rat WWII models or airfix French foreign legion. much easier to sculpt on the israeliteelry or whatever, and cut the legs for sandals.
looking cool so far, this would be killer on the tt
paint the liner of the neck cover of the hat in his gold/white theme, out a little snake on the hat.... would look sickkkk
I got an image in my head about a loyalist planet that was ancient egypt themed worshiping giant stone statues of Big E and the primarchs styled like pic related, and then I started wondering what a guard regiment on this planet would look like and specialize in.
For aesthetics, it would be gold, bronze, and white, with higher ranks wearing more elaborate and gilded armor, covered in wings and israeliteels and such.
As for specialization, I thought about what egypt was good at, or known for, and came up with chariots / chariot archers. So they'd be a fast, hit and run regiment with light and fast vehicles. A unique vehicle would be a grave chariot, which would be a hover bike pulling a grav sled that has your choice of half a squad of guardsmen, or a heavy bolter / las turret.
for your chariots, just cut the chimera up, and have like two bikes pulling the personal carriage
For the main bodies of your dudes, grab the desert rat kit from warlord I think and then clip the legs and glue on some historical roman sandal feet. Add/paint/greenstuff whatever you need to blend it into the 40k canvas
There's really no much difference to the old models, those weird pant knee pads are the killing blow to the design.
What's wrong with kneepads?
Drop the kneepads and bring back the old helmet shape and you have the perfect Guard refresh
NTA but they look like shit just woven into the pants
>they look like shit just woven into the pants
Yeah. Like actual combat pant kneepads. I will give you that they'd look less jarring if they weren't painted such a stand-out color but there's nothing wrong with the concept.
They look extremely out of place compared to the scifi-ified WWII gear that they use for everything else. If they wanted kneepads that badly they should have sculpted some straps, just like pretty much literally every other kneepad-wearing Imperial miniature in the game's history.
They don't take design elements from WW2 gear at all to begin with
>Saying this when they are equiped with Las-Garanda and the Sargeant Thompson Autogun
is this bait
The Las gun doesn't look like a grand anymore than it looks like an m14 or the mk 14, and the autogun doesn't have any shared qualities with Thompson that aren't also present on countless other guns.
Yeah, that's bait.
Point out one aspect of the garand or Thompson that is unique to them and present on the lasguns/autoguns
Sure, apart from
>the webbing
>the pouches
>the backpacks
>the bedrolls
>the gaiters
>the fatigues
>the fabric helmet cover painted almost identically to the ones used by the Marines in the Pacific
>the sergeant's SMG
>the rifle-grip lasguns
>the Rogal Dorn
>the tank crew's helmets
-Webbing isn't unique to ww2 fatigues and the ones on the guardsman aren't any closer to ww2 webbing than any other webbing
-the pouches on guardsman appear to use round fastners on the top of the pouch where as WW2 pouches has buckles or fastners on a strap that went over the top of the pouch
-the backpacks are much smaller than most WW2 backpacks and don't specifically look like any
-other than being bedrolls there aren't really any unique details to point to
-gaiters in WW2 are tied, and were made of the same material as the fatigues, the gaiters on guardsman appear to be a seperate more rigid material like leather or armour, are secured with button clasps
- what fabric helmet cover?
-The autogun doesn't take any design elements unique to any ww2 weapons and isn't even an smg, it's a rifle that can be belt fed
-a rifle grip isn't unique to WW2 weaponry
- we're talking about the guardsman models not the tank models, the tanks incorporate a variety of parts from tanks from ww1 through vietnam
- the tank crew's helmets have visible padding that tank crews didn't have in WW2 and more coverage of the face and back of the neck
-
Not being actual, literal 1:1 recreations of specific real-world equipment doesn't mean that it doesn't "take design elements" from them, autist-kun.
But only having vague design elements that are present amongst equipment from various time periods doesn't make something based on a single specifc time period.
Anon you got fricking rekt and this is embarrassing, sit down
Holy shit underrated post
You might not win the argument but I love your spirit
>They don't take design elements from WW2 gear at all to begin with
Oh really?
are you blind or just stupid?
Point out one detail from this man's equipment that isn't present on equipment from any other time period and is incorporated into the guardsman design
>blocky piece of shit is automatically a garand because it has a rifle grip
Esthetic turbo autism or just denials.
Nearly all the IG regiments look like either ww1, ww2, or some kind of futuristic napoleonic era infantry. Cadia included, although to less a degree than others.
Cadian knees were too sharp for the standard pants, unfortunately.
>cadia stands
No knee pads
>cadia gone
Knee pads
arr rook the same
They look like shit?
are you blind
It seems easy to scrape or melt that part of the sculpt into regular non-moronic pants if you wish. Is this the case?
should have been part of a general leg armor since they look to goofy on their own
they're too much armor for expendable conscripts, but not enough to really feel plated up to a higher tier of troop.
I think they look fine aside from the kneepads, but then it's hard to have a strong opinion on the look of a guardsman squad beyond "yes that is definitely a squad of guardsmen"
They look like blocks that have been superglued to the fabric and will fall off it the trooper gets too active.
But real life militaries use those on uniforms.
Not sure? Guess it doesn't bother me because it's a thing in real life, not just a TACTICOOL thing.
Oh my god shut up about the knee pads. You can file them off in like 10 second each, no one cares.
Talk about actual important design queues. like the pauldrons being weirdly offset, and the chest armour being hung so low if offers basically no protection to the neck. Why is their collar so low?
Stfu troon
That’s right, back away from the multi dollar company. Me and anon here will protect them from you.
That was criticism, not praise. Don't worry about fixing your illiteracy though anon because luckily you'll have killed yourself long before you exert the effort to correct it.
Primaris Guard
These also ruined the new scouts and made the votann look even worse
new scouts look great
>votann
bit hit and miss
>no much difference
Why does /tg/ attract so many blind morons?
Anywat these models are a massive improvment. Old plastic guard were some of the shittiest models gw ever made.
>Why does /tg/ attract so many blind morons?
It doesn't. It attracts contrarian trolls
You zoomer homosexuals need to pick up a file. You’ve never had to carve an arm into the pose you want and it shows. Back in my day*tm I’d have given my right arm to have the posing options we have now.
Fricking sick anon. I know it’s just an alternate head but I guess that’s what passes for kitbashing these days. But it really is cool.
You’re moronic. That’s not even the point of my post. It’s just that important you to know you have a moronic animal brain and you probably won’t breed.
Why doesn't GW make IG regiments that aren't cadia?
These suck. So does the old ones. All cadians except Kasrkin are shit and have always been.
They make krieg, which is a lot better. You can also use their models to make iceborns (the actual nazis) and mess around with the agents of imperium to make iron guard.
Krieg has become the reddit regiment for the guard because of shovel memes.
Reddit is afraid of Krieg because they think it's for nazis.
Why do you care so much about what redditors think? You can't get downvotes on here man, chill, at worst someone will call you a Black personhomosexual for posting your "reddit regiment" because they're the same sort of dumbfrick you are.
I know you are trying to fit in on a anonymous website like a pussy. I know people still love to scream reddit, but that ship sailed fricking years ago back when morons here had a shit fit over 9gag and other places stealing "our" content. Let's just say - Ganker lost that fight. Its all the same morons across platforms.
Go on r/sigmarxism and you'll understand that all the Reddit libraries think Krieg players are Nazis, you don't know shit about reddit
"Krieg players are NAZIS" is an ancient /tg/ meme. You can find archived instances of it from like 2010.
hopefully killteams of each regiment in the next couple of years. I think that's the only way they're ever getting released into the wild.
>a billion more boring GEQ teams
Please God no!
I remember when you could get Cadians, Catachans, Mordians, Steel Legion, Vostroyans, Tallarn, Attilans, and Valhallans. The hella generic Cadians and Catachans got plastics and then nobody wanted to pay for metal anymore, so the others just sat on the website until stocks were finally gone.
Because they don't sell.
Cost mostly. It takes resources simply to design miniatures and with injection molding the molds themselves are very high cost (hundreds of thousands of dollars) requiring long production runs to be worth their cost. If it costs as much to design a squad of Vostroyans as Cadians and you're producing ten different regiments you're spending ten times as much for far less than a ten times increase in sales (even if literally nobody likes Cadians best plenty like them enough to buy them for their army). Also if you want unique regiments just buy third party.
>molds themselves are very high cost (hundreds of thousands of dollars)
Sure, buddy. Millions, even.
Yeah, tooling costs for plastic injection moulds are several thou per runner. And you're going to need a lot of new moulds if you want to see all these other regiments in plastic, that's a lot of moulds needing tooling
they have the money but it's not worth the return on investment when compared to making more sculpts of space marines instead
Well yeah, obviously they have the money, it's never a question of
>can they afford it?
it's always
>what's going to generate more revenue?
It was fine back in the days of metal minis, when you could throw together a cheap silicone spin casting mould for peanuts and it'd pay for itself in no time even if it barely shifted any units (+ the ability to melt down excess stock for re-use at a push). That's what's really been lost
>the molds themselves are very high cost (hundreds of thousands of dollars)
That is a lie that is 100% false. Even if they were farming out the production of these things, it still wouldn't be even close to that number.
Then consider that GW do their designs and production in-house. There would be one or more permanently employed staff who look after this stuff. It's a basic level of effort cost for the personnel and they're really only going to spend money on the billets of metal to CNC (the CNC machine has been paid for years ago).
This bullshit GW-apology needs to be stopped. It then inevitably turns into an attempt at justifying the ludicrous prices that the company charges.
Stop it.
>not worth the return on investment
This is something more like it.
The highest cost in producing a mold is in the labor. Which is where I think it gets confused, anyway the point remains that they're paying designers 100k a yearwhether they make 1 tool or a million.
Obviously, the milling and metal cost nothing because they make a new tool for the free mini of the month, but they use the same design from a figure found in the boxes.
>(hundreds of thousands of dollars)
This is just a blatant lie. Proven wrong by the fact that other companies can make molds of plastic figures at very reasonable prices.
Lets not argue if Victrix, Archon Studios Perry or WGA are on the same level as GW, but they continue to make molds for plastic figures in Europe (WGA in the USA) for way less money than GW does.
So either GW is paying way too much for their molds and they are bad at doing business, or they just know they can charge way more money for their stuff.
But if WGA can run a tiny crowdfunding campaign (tiny compared to what Archon Studios or Reaper are doing), collect less than 300k USD, and still manage to release 13 sets of miniatures with that money shows how much a tool for one sprue actually costs. Certainly not hundreds of thousands. More like 10-15k.
The typically quoted amount for model kits is between 2k and 10k per sprue, with it hitting the upper end for a sprue that's larger and has more complex parts. I don't know where the frick people have got 'hundreds of thousands' from, but tens-of-thousands for a single kit with multiple large, densely filled runners is a reasonable estimate
As an example; for FY 2021/22, GW spent £5.7 million on tooling moulds (https://assets.ctfassets.net/ost7hseic9hc/4wT1AjfBUUX6HWQ0HhAAnu/ac4403cd600cef16674bfa20462a280b/2021-22-accounts-Final-NoM.pdf), rising to £6.7 million in 2022/23 (https://assets.ctfassets.net/ost7hseic9hc/3Bxadr0YTIX0hGl1H7DPGe/8e1361726a8e0c8dfef9bcdae8299480/2022-23_accounts_-_final.pdf)
You are talking out of your fricking hole as usual, every single steel mould GW ever made made its money back within weeks at most, different IG regiments would increase sales of models as a person would buy different regiments. The reason they never did it is literally because GW is rotten to the core with a corporate culture that has totally destroyed all innovation and can now only pump out shit
So why do Victrix/Perry/Wargames Atlatnic manage it?
But they are. The latest codex trashed the entire idea of homogenous regiments in favor of a melting pot of "famous IG units". They will likely keep cranking out "totally made for kill team" IG themed boxes. Its low hanging fruit, and that way they dont have to make more than one of any particular set.
>not content to misuse the term melting pot in another thread
>american poltard sperg goes on a shit posting spree posting it in every thread
homosexual brained poltard
am i the only one that thinks they look good
they are afraid
They do
Limited production facilities and sales tactics. They just do limited runs of models for short periods nowadays.
Just mix some 3rd party conversion bits in and you're golden. Or use lasguns on 3rd party kits wholesale.
Honestly they look alright to me, even with the kneepads. My bigger issue is the very slight scale creep. That said if I were to start a loyalist Guard force I'd go 3P/printed and do a homebrew regiment of some form.
>Athonian Tunnel Rats never
It hurts.
Because referencing real world countries and their real world armies and real world crimes of war and genocides is problematic.
>Kills soul
If you like old Cadia you never had any soul.
They are way better and more posable
Agreed. I made mine Tallarn themed.
Where'd you get that head? Perry Bros maybe?
Atlantic Wargames
https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/afghan-warriors
I kind of want to do Tallarn, but to do it justice I'd really want to give them the big baggy sleeves too. Which is doable, I guess, take some Catachan arms and greenstuff over them. But man, that's a lot of fricking sleeves to do even for like 1k of dudes
The Victoria Miniatures take on Tallarn are an option too.
the rifles are too long. the kneepads, rifle butt and barrel are painted the wrong colour. some of the heads/helmets are oversized or vice versa. there's too many straps and the little lip on the helmet serves no purpose but to distract the eyes from the rest of the model.
they really need a headswap to be salvageable so they'd probably make good GSC brood brothers if you got some heads from somewhere.
If this post is serious, it's proof that Imperial Guard players deserve less.
I'm not an IG player but I would be if the new Cadian range was of an acceptable standard to me. Its either that or grinding out some boxes of krieg and/or converting them into valhallans but I've got plenty of other projects to work on so I don't need a time sink like that.
>but I would be if the new Cadian range was of an acceptable standard to me.
How is it not? Serious?
Like, buy what you want but I really don't get what is wrong with these models.
I literally just listed all my issues with the new guardsmen. Krieg i'd pay the GW premium for (in reality I'd buy the killteam starter set multiple times and sell off the rest) but personally for me there are too many design errors with the current cadians to want to pay the price they are selling them for.
>the rifles are too long.
This sounds like a parody quote.
>Noooo not miniatures with human proportions!!! The humanity!!!
What a shit take, the old plastic cadians were the most generic soulless slop GW ever devised. I'm not exactly a fan of the new ones, but the old ones were even more devoid of character.
Anyone else think the helmets look kind of Starship troopery?
Middle Cadians feel like a Suit at GW saw Starship Troopers and told a sculptor to make that in miniature form.
Or maybe he saw one of the billion other movies and TV shows that the Starship Troopers surplus armor appeared in.
i always find it ironic when people say stuff like this because the original Cadian design came first and the ST movie quite possibly ripped off the Cadian design not the other way around.
Like almost everything in 40k it was probably both. 40k originally took influence from generic sci-fi, the starship troopers movie then took inspiration from generic sci-fi which now included 40k, then 40k took inspiration from the starship troopers movie when going forward
same shit as tyranids being inspired by xenomorphs, then inspiring starcraft, then taking design influence from starcraft
>original Cadian design
Good thing I specified the middle Cadians and not RT Cadians.
thats the thing, my point has nothing to do with what you specified.
Not really, the Cadian design existed in the early 90s. ST was late 90s. The entire reason the ST design even exists is because they didnt have the money to portray power armour on screen. So they changed the starship troopers to infantry.
right, but when designing the infantry armor they probably took inspiration from different sci-fi properties. Like the colonial marines in aliens and probably 40k. The plastic cadians came out in the early 2000s. They probably took some cues from the movie mobile infantry. But youre right that the metal cadians were already like 80% of what the plastic ones were.
they were probably inspired by Colonial marines
I agree on your answers but add that Gulf War 1 was happening around the time of the Early Cadian release and a lot of influences came from the US troops equipment.
Kevlar armour was also becoming very common on the battlefield.
General Schwartzkopf in Picrel also inspired the original Cadian lieutenant.
Nice, very neat work fellow Guardanon.
Mine (picrel) arent as good, but I had a long period of NEETing and was able to put out a lot of quantity.
mmmm choccy chip
Source on the Cadian lieutenant being based on Schwarzkopf?
His ass
There were no RT-era Cadians. Those ones are from 2nd.
ironically the Cadian plastic kit was probably inspired by Halo. A study guy even made a Halo guard army
studio*
>Halo Gaurd Army
Any pics
The bottom right guy looks good but the rest don't
Why?
Most of the face being covered makes it less uncanny
Anyone that uses the term soul is automatically a moron who’s opinions should be immediately discarded as it was spoken by a moron that can’t articulate his opinions without appealing to an absolute platitude rather than owning up to the fact that the statement is his opinion. That being said the knee pads look bad lmao
They need to sell you new models.
Mini wargaming is actually a terrible idea for a business.
Cadians fricking suck. What an absolute mistake to make generic sci fi troopers the largest force in your gothic science fantasy setting.
ironically wasn't always the case. First guard dex in third edition (there was two of em) had Catachans as the new plastics and battleforce box
more like
>*kills soul*
no idea why people pretend to care about the bland 3rd ed cadians
Are we STILL having this fricking thread?
>using "racist" as an insult
ywnbaw
What makes you think it's used as an insult? It's simply the objective truth.
It can't be objective truth because there is no such thing as racism, natural prejudice is totally normal and healthy and all organisms have it
not when it becomes a mental illness
>everyone i dont like is a joo!
>mental illness
Another spook dreamt up to control morons like you, watch out for transphobes under the bed anon, one day you will pass as the pretty girl I know you are deep inside
Anon if an antisemite discriminates against an individual because they assume they are israeli.
Thats blatantly a real form of discrimination.
One day you will be discriminated against like that and maybe you'll understand.
>censoring both Black person and homosexual
Sad
reddit screencap
>(5th Edition)
That's very obviously not a 5E Codex. That's the 3.5E Codex cover formatting, not the 4E/5E formatting with the gunmetal border and the big bluegreen 40k logo at the top. This isn't even someone just being a newhomosexual, this is someone being a newbie who's too dumb to use Google
>that's black
Oh look, troons fail at life.
>entire art and model line
>no blacks
>some dirty dude
>oh look cadians are black
Leftists and their ilk need extermination.
The time spent seething at that thread and putting together this image could have been spent painting models, riding a bike, reading a book, or cleaning the house.
>he said while shitposting with no self-reflection whatsoever
>guys face is shadowed by his helmet
>kinda looks dark
>must be black!
just like dem egyptshunz
I swear the most racist pieces of shit I've ever encounter is not some gringo redneck, but the average lefty.
They see someone with a darker skin and immediately call it black. Racist shits all of them
>Flamethrower guy covered in soot
Wow
Y'know everyone harps on the racism and whatever but nobody actually addressed this because it's right:
>Cadians are the most generic early 2000s video game sci-fi soldiers possible, they don't have any kind of distinct aesthetic at all
Which is exactly right. They're colonial marines with just enough changes made not to be copyright infringing.
the latest ones kinda seem similar to Fallout soldiers
Did you all miss the FBI Stats enthusiast's spot on prediction of the Dorn tank?
That's the power of nooticing
What?
Read the image in the post I replied to.
Racist Anon predicts the Dorn
I thought the same thing for the Eye of Terror campaign when the first plastic Cadians came out.
And I even agree with you now. nu-nuCadians look worse than old nuCadians. Old=good, new=bad is truth.
Correct, metals were fantastic, plastics were shit but affordable, new plastics are even shitter and more expensive than the metals
Wargames Atlantic saving soul one step at a time
They're neat but it's not a replacement. Vostroyans are the best designed basic human infantry in the game. Hell, probably in tabletop. They're basically perfect.
Yep. I love Vostroyans. Too bad I lost my entire Vostroyan collection 18 years ago when I left for the army. By the time I was in a position to start collecting 40k again, the Vostroyan models were gone.
I did find some Vostroyan STL files though, but they don't quite have the same feel as the real models.
starting my first 40k army. should i make a steel legion army, vostroyan, or night lords?
give me the stl files NOW
FYI pretty good scans of the original figures exist online.
I've never understood the appeal
They've just got a really nice blend of historical, scifi, gothic ornate, and unique character. They look like what guardsmen should in the more gothic takes on the setting. They also don't go too hard on any specific "omg rambo/gasmask trenchers" kind of obvious lifted aesthetic.
Their lore is also cool because they are like a sane version of Krieg. Vostroya is also repenting for a past transgression against the Imperium, but they didn't let that completely break their collective psyche and turn into insane zealots like Kriegers.
It's just cool to me that the lore is deep enough to show two planets reacting almost completely differently to similar sets of circumstances.
>They're basically perfect.
The stocks that are twig thin at the gripping point put the lie to you
Everything else about them is amazing but frick those stocks are vile, particularly the way they're all different sizes
ben, this is literally your first guard models you ever owned
>deliberately blows up Cadia, in a story push no one asked for
>constantly release Cadians
Mind boggling. Also Vostroyans and Steel Legion are way better designs.
Every guard regiment is a better design than Cadians. Even the Harakoni Warhawks, which were just a kitbash of Cadian and Elysian kits.
>every guard is cadia
Because they shipped a metric frickton of Regiments off world (Krieg would be #1 but they're like 1:100th of the population) and combined with Guard regiments being allowed to settle new planets or retire into PDF forces is the reason why most PDF/Guard is Cadian.
Plus New Cadia got established in the Agripinaa system, although GW hasn't done anything with it as far as I'm aware.
"Establish New Cadia" feels like the goal of every Cadia remnant Regiment, there is probably dozens of them by now.
This is one of the dumber aspects of 40k lore that makes me seethe.
>this planet is the first and only defense against a literal portal to hell
>lets just send their troops to every galatic shithole except here, where it matters the most
Well logically Cadia would hit its carrying capacity sooner or later, especially since as a fortress world it does not support the same extent of population as a hive world. And since Cadians still frick they gotta send the excess somewhere.
Heroic scale > Muh realism
40k is now 40gay
all core fiction, historical references and 80s British punk culture has been misunderstood/ignored and aesthetically sterilised for "modern futurism" resulting in silicone valley carbon copy art, US military inspiration and US cultural story telling.
gaywokeshop
>Malformed shittily sculpted models good
>proportionate well-sculpted models bad
I fricking hate contrarians so much it's unreal.
>proportionate well-sculpted models
lmao we looking at the same sculpts?
I like the new Cadians
>muh kneepads
just paint em brown leather or blend them in with the pants
>muh nig faces
paint them white, its alright
I think I have pinpointed what I don't like about them aside from a few aesthetic nitpicks [pants-integrated knee-pads vs strapped-on]
The new range has lost the clear masculine look that Cadians had. Square jaws with gritty faces. Athletic-framed bodies.
The new range has more average body-frames and the jaws on the heads are artificially narrowed and pointed by the neck-goiter things.
Look at the top three troopers in OPs image. Tight neck gaiters that narrow the facial profile.
The bottom two: loose goiter on the left isn't as bad and bandana boy has a soldi chin.
Also, another nitpick.
I love the boot gaiters, but the pants need to be more poofy at the tuck-in point. They're narrowed too much. They don't need ro look like cavalry pants, but they need something
I get the impressions that only zoomers who grew up knowing nothing but plastic cadians are super mad about the new cadians. Acting like the very soul of 40k hinges on IG wearing those goofy looking helmets like, like they didn't also look moronic compared to what came before them.
Does anyone on the market still make models that look like this?
The Victoriaminiatures Arcadian guard are the closest I know to looking like those old Cadian models.
If they wanted kneepads they should have gone for something more like the pads on Halo Marines
The new ones are a large improvement honestly, especially now that they have webbing gear that makes sense, the only thing i don't like is the varied lasguns and the american style gaiters. I grew up with original plastics, and always thought the metal ones looked better and more realistic.
We've lost so much
I’m sorry but if you want to do Elysians there are a lot of god alternatives. They’re the quintessential sci-if trooper. These are the council marine helmets from Anvil Industries.
The whole point of Elysians is that they’re rich and really well equipped so the more modrrn-looking the better.
this one makes me mad
I would have been fine with the changes if they just kept the mask the same and the ankles skinny
the mask is too over designed now and the legs are fatty cartoon proportioned just like every disney/pixar/league of legends/WoW rip off character
I think they did the legs part due to plastic limitations. The main difference is with the guard kneepads is that the kneepads when shaven off will look stupid, where as the gas mask will still look fine even with the little metal bit on the front gets shaven off.
I got an image in my head about a loyalist planet that was ancient egypt themed worshiping giant stone statues of Big E and the primarchs styled like pic related, and then I started wondering what a guard regiment on this planet would look like and specialize in.
For aesthetics, it would be gold, bronze, and white, with higher ranks wearing more elaborate and gilded armor, covered in wings and israeliteels and such.
As for specialization, I thought about what egypt was good at, or known for, and came up with chariots / chariot archers. So they'd be a fast, hit and run regiment with light and fast vehicles. A unique vehicle would be a grave chariot, which would be a hover bike pulling a grav sled that has your choice of half a squad of guardsmen, or a heavy bolter / las turret.
combine elements of the French foreign legion with Egyptian pharaoh headress shit and you've got a swanky looking infantry kit
I was thinking along those lines too actually.
40k hours in ms paint a basic concept to work towards
NTA but one of the anons suggesting for this OP.
digging the look, but I'd lean heavier on a uniform....custom jobs can become overwhelming. id do what you've got going on with the basic and honor guard on either like desert rat WWII models or airfix French foreign legion. much easier to sculpt on the israeliteelry or whatever, and cut the legs for sandals.
looking cool so far, this would be killer on the tt
paint the liner of the neck cover of the hat in his gold/white theme, out a little snake on the hat.... would look sickkkk
for your chariots, just cut the chimera up, and have like two bikes pulling the personal carriage
For the main bodies of your dudes, grab the desert rat kit from warlord I think and then clip the legs and glue on some historical roman sandal feet. Add/paint/greenstuff whatever you need to blend it into the 40k canvas
where is the new /wip/ or /40kg/ thread
Up your mother's c**t.
im too young to make it you do it
What's next for the Chimera?
Pic related.