What are some clear examples of last minute changes in pokemon?
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What are some clear examples of last minute changes in pokemon?
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lazy, low effort bait
>lazy, low effort
Just like slapping a green wig on an ugly gorilla!
Yeah, Simisage is yet another low-effort, ugly Unova shitmon!
I kinda see it with the bracelet things
This
This is shitty fanfic crap but damn it still sounds way better than the actual XY.
Sure is a lot of detail, length, and effort for "fanfic."
>DEBOOOOONK!
>Sure is a lot of detail, length, and effort for "fanfic."
Writing a long fanfic doesn't mean that it's actually what happened. There's been fake leaks with way more effort put into it as well.
it was confirmed to be a fanfic by the person who wrote it. it was written by someone who was a regular on neogaf/resetera. also i don't know how you survive in real life if you think everything that's long in written length has to be real.
>it was confirmed to be a fanfic by the person who wrote it
Post proof.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/pok%C3%A9mon-sword-and-shield-ot-god-save-the-vespiquen.152848/page-112#post-26528749
>Not going to lie I'm tempted to construct another fake "cutting room floor" for this games plot like I did for XY. I'm telling you Team Flare should've been aliens.
now stfu it isn't real
>some troony taking credit over the Ganker leak saying it was le fanfic
4/10
except that same person also wrote the "mr xy" fake leak from before xy released. he has a history or writing fake leaks and likely made even more outside those.
even if it's fanfic, it's still pretty fricking cool.
It's really not
The "Luigi Haunted mansion boo cameo" one is blatant bullshit since Pokemon never did anything like this before at best they would put like a blurry pic of a Boo on a wall etc not blatantly show one off
Even more moronic than OP
Truly incredible how far the human mind will go to cope
Both objectively correct
Not reading all that shit
You’re the moron if you think Butterfree and Venomoth’s designs got swapped at some point in development.
>objectively
How's your autism treating you?
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Caterpie plays the role of introduce the evolution mechanic to the players. It's a mon that you can catch very early and also evolves very early with every evolution being quite different than the last one. It's meant to showcase how a pokémon can change through evolution and it's done in a way that everyone, even little kids can understand. Everyone except moronic people like you that is.
Yes, that’s likely why they made the switch. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t switched in the first place, moron
This. No matter why they switched, the fact is that they did
How’s your blindness treating you?
Is this implying that Scyther was supposed to evolve into Pinsir? 'Cause I don't buy that.
I remember as a child thinking Cloyster and Gastly were part of the same line.
Venonat and Butterfree is the most blatant one, no way that they were ever designed as separate
They were never meant to be related. A lot of mons, especially in gen 1, share some traits without being related.
Caterpie-Metapod-Butterfree occupy consecutive id slots in memory, a trait which is more often than not indicative of mons being designed as an evolutionary family (such as the eevee family being lumped together).
If anything, going by ids Venomoth was originally a stand alone mon before Venonat was tacked on later in development.
This in itself isn't necessarily conclusive evidence, but you can also get into stuff like who created which sprite. If you look at Venonat and Butterfree, despite them being allegedly evolutions, they're made by different people. In the vast majority of cases, the same person made all the entires for evolutionary lines, especially when they were meant to be an evolution line to begin with. The IDs point very heavily at that being the case with Catepie's entire line.
Like you say though, Venomoth existed prior to Venonat, so this doesn't necessarily apply there.
Pic related not being a Luvdisc evolution makes me think BW was going to follow the formula of DPPt, but they decided mid-production to make "the entire full of new faces".
I doubt it, if that were the case more than Alomomola would exist as a potential evo like design.
Bouffalant gets thrown around a lot too in that discussion as a potential Tauros evo.
This one is absolute nonsense. They don't share any design elements beyond being brown bovines.
It feels like way more of a Luvdisc counterpart (Heart Scale source) than an evo. They are similar but it doesn't particularly feel like an evolution to Luvdisc in terms of design since Alolomola is so bulky and Luvdisc is primarily fast.
I have a feeling this was just "we need a Heart Scales Pokemon" and worked from there
Chimecho being added to Ruby/Sapphire
Yeah, what was up with this?
Did they need to pad their numbers to a clean 385 or something? (Remember that Deoxys would not revealed for a couple years)
last minute inclusion because they forgot about the pseudo but didn't have time to waste on its design
I'll always stand by this one.
Frick Eternatus is such incomprehensible garbage
It's just an alien skeleton dragon.
Are you moronic?
It’s a mess of polygons that loosely resembles a skeletal dragon. It’s absolute garbage and honestly one of the worst designs in the franchise.
Has anyone ever attempted an Eternatus redesign? Fan redesigns are always fun
It's closer to Necrozma's rearranging body parts gimmick
Both designed by Turner and both inspired by the Xenomorph. Same deal as
. You are not looking at scrapped or changed evos, you are looking at same species creatures designed by the same person. Turner had to design an alien and came up with Naganadel. Then he had to design another alien and used his same frame of reference when coming up with Eternatus. They look similiar because they are the same type of creature designed by the same artist. All Gen 1 and 2 Pokemon designs were finalized by Sugimori, so a lot of them have similarities.
Only intelligent post itt
Cope post.
>troonys seething over their moronic fan theories being dismantled
Lmao
Fan theory like Gengar and Clefable yup yup.
Or Dragonair evolving into Gyarados.
Nobody who actually pays attention to the designs of these lines actually belives this.
Flygon and salamence name swap
Salamence = salami menace?
did someone have a fricking stroke and swap the names of the evolutions in the game, and it just stuck?
This one always bothered me. I thought that longer and more epic name meant later evo stage.
>Smaller bird is called Pidgeot but small.
>Pidgeot come from Pigeon + Peugeot, a powerful car.
Not hard to understand
starter pokemon that didn't exist until the 3D era were a mistake
even back in gens 3-5 when we got shit like Blaziken and Infernape, we also got awesome stuff like Swampert and Sceptile. there are ZERO good starters in gen 6+
Heatran's lost pre-evos
wait those exist?! proof pls :O
i wanna see those
I believe that Sinnoh was planned to have dual pseudo-legends just like Hoenn. Heatran is Metagross' counterpart but they axed its pre-evo and retooled as a legendary. Heatran can be male or female is the remnant of this.
These guys were supposed to have a middle evo. You can tell by the missing spot between them in their XY internal numbers, and their codenames in the SWSH prototype.
XY’s internal ordering is also why Joe got the order of the mythicals wrong when he had their preliminary pages up when the game first released.
Which is fine. I like that Bergmite is the “tip of the iceberg” and the heavy, wide bottom is Avalugg
I’m imagining the middle evo may have been shaped something like picrel. Flat on the top and on the bottom, so Bergmite could sit on it while it would sit on Avalugg. My guess is that they cut it exactly for the reason you said; Bergmite and Avalugg already perfectly convey the idea of an iceberg’s shape as a two stager.
Sun and Moon having references to "Z-Powered Forms", concept art that shows Nihilego transforming into the Mother Beast when Lusamine feeds it multiple Z-Crystals, and earlier promotional material making it seem like Lillie was Nihilego's human disguise.
So there's a lot of guesses that
>Exactly what Z-Crystals do changed at some point in development
>Lusamine fusing with an Ultra Beast was originally not a one-off event, with other characters either transforming into or fusing with Pokémon (Mallow and Tsareena seem a likely pair)
>Of note, there was already a weird spinoff manga where humans fuse with Pokémon and they do it using stones identical in shape to Z-Crystals
>Lusamine's fused form is never battled directly because GF didn't want it to be possible for the player to catch a human even through glitches; this led to any similar plot elements being dropped
There's also Perfect Zygarde randomly showing up, and the similarities between it and Guzzlord (who comes from an alternate-universe Alola).
that "ultra beasts are actually people" theory made so much sense to me as a kid, it made more sense when necrozma did gladions hand thing like it's the exact same pose or lusamine looking almost exactly like pheramosa
>SM
>as a kid
God damn I am getting old. I remember reading a crazy theory in the prerelease about the UBs being projected from Cosmog’s dreams, hence why some of them resembled the Aether family. Burnet’s name showing up in a trailer was what prompted the theory I think, since she was the host of Dream Radar.
Reading new newer theories about paradox pokemon possibly being from dreams/imagination reminded me of it, because i remember thinking it was a neat theory.
There was good reason why the whole idea with Pokemon fusing with human was scrapped. And yes, even Ash Greninja was involved to this.
Easiest way to fix ReBurst is to go the Ultraman Orb route and have them fuse with two Pokémon at a time, so that you have more creativity in how the motifs are combined.
Also include a heroine with a Braixen who mixes it with various feminine Pokémon to get magical girl forms, with her final form being a Braixen/Mismagius unlocked by defeating a sexy Gardevoir/Mismagius villainess.
>earlier promotional material making it seem like Lillie was Nihilego's human disguise.
It's just the official artwork still used nowadays?
People here still believing this shit makes me wonder if someone actually has played the games.
Lillie looks like Nihilego because her mother, obsessed with it, make her dress like that (there's even a scene where Lillie changes her looks to signify her finally standing up to her mother etc).
Huh? No one's arguing that Lillie is Nihilego in the final game, just that their connection was different earlier in development.
We know that Nihilego had a "Z-Powered Form" in earlier versions of the game, and Lillie calls her new outfit her Z-Powered Form even in the final product.
90% of JRPGs have a character who can be summed up as "kind, mysterious female companion who's secretly not entirely human", and the Pokémon franchise has used it before with Lati@s.
Before the games came out they were playing up how mysterious Lillie is while saying Nihilego acts like a human girl. It was either a leftover from an earlier story draft, or a deliberate attempt to spark speculation and build hype for the game's release.
I can't believe I still have to read this shit seven years later
And they were right.
>90% of JRPGs have a character who can be summed up as "kind, mysterious female companion who's secretly not entirely human", and the Pokémon franchise has used it before with Lati@s.
The anime used that trope and it was only in the anime and has never been shown or alluded to in a game.
>Before the games came out they were playing up how mysterious Lillie is while saying Nihilego acts like a human girl.
Lillie is mysterious because she has an unknown backstory and a talking backpack with a unknown pokemon in it. Nihilego "acts like a human girl" because all the ultra beasts have alien looks and bizarre patterns of behavior. Lillie looks like Nihilego because Lusamine met it once and became obsessed with it and this is presumably also why Lusamine heavily resembles Pheramosa. What is the empirical evidence for this claim that "clearly" Lillie was "always" going to be an Ultra Beast besides the old schizo theories from prerelease?
Necrozma hand thingy.
>What is the empirical evidence for this claim that "clearly" Lillie was "always" going to be an Ultra Beast besides the old schizo theories from prerelease?
Anon, you're responding to
>It was either a leftover from an earlier story draft, or a deliberate attempt to spark speculation and build hype for the game's release.
I explicitly said this it's *not* the only explanation.
>Lillie is mysterious because she has an unknown backstory and a talking backpack with a unknown pokemon in it. Nihilego "acts like a human girl" because all the ultra beasts have alien looks and bizarre patterns of behavior. Lillie looks like Nihilego because Lusamine met it once and became obsessed with it and this is presumably also why Lusamine heavily resembles Pheramosa.
And people guessed differently before the game's release because *they did not have that information yet*, they only knew that Lille was mysterious, was hiding something, and had a strong resemblance to some weird jellyfish thing called UB-01.
There is no way to take that information and get to "she has a mother called Lusamine who's obsessed with other dimensions and dressed her up as an alien".
>And people guessed differently before the game's release because *they did not have that information yet*, they only knew that Lille was mysterious, was hiding something, and had a strong resemblance to some weird jellyfish thing called UB-01.
There is a difference between discussing prerelease speculation and insisting that the speculation was based on story elements that supposedly existed at some point.
>earlier promotional material making it seem like Lillie was Nihilego's human disguise
Was there ever any evidence for this beyond the many many rumors from that era?
I still think they swapped Starmie and Golduck's stats and typing. Maybe I'm crazy, but they talk about how fast duck is, its psychic powers, but its a middling speed pure water type. Also Misty is the SECOND gym leader, so if her ace were more middling, it would make sense, right? I feel like that HAD to have been swapped somehow.
For that to be true they'd also have to have swapped movepools, and I don't see Starmie learning any punching moves in Gen 1.
Movement speed is not the same as reaction speed.
Vikavolt and Escavalier are also said to be extremely fast in the Pokedex
the obvious one
Now i can't unsee lati@s just works better than togekiss
i see the resemblance but lati@s was fused with blaziken once upon a time and was always considered a legendary
it's funny if you think about it
all the chicken pokémon hatched from the same egg
most stupid post itt
even the most uncreative person would come up with some original features for venonat and butterfree if they ever intended them to be separate
>even the most uncreative person would come up with some original features for venonat and butterfree if they ever intended them to be separate
For example they could distinguish them by making one of them covered in fur and partly poison type
A real one is Heatran. He was supposed to be part of a 3 state Evo as a pseudo
Proof?
>there are actually people who believe venomoth and butterfree didn't have their sprites swapped
Never change, contrarians
>Anti-Swapgays: Provide evidence within the code, points out how convergent design philosophies could result in visual similar designs in otherwise unrelated mons
>Swapgays: Uhhh it just feels right
Oh i seem to have missed the part in the code where it says they werent swapped.
Look it up by yourself like everyone else did, idiot
>look up something that doesnt exist
lol nice one
It does exist. And anyways there's many good arguments in this thread against the swap thing that you chose to ignore because your brain can only make basic associations without thinking beyond that.
Post the code with text that says it wasnt changed then.
Look up the index numbers of gen 1 and draw your own conclusion.
So it doesnt say anything about it not being changed? Glag we agree.
Thanks for proving you're an idiot.
>ad hominem
Not impressed.
Idiot.
I accept your concession.
You should.
The ids suggest that the Butterfree line was always connected, meanwhile you have zero evidence of a switch outside of conjecture and postulating.
Why is Zarude a legendary again? it's probably the most moronic and fogettable legendary in the series next to that gen 7 electric furry.
Because there's a legend about it
>pokemon is legendary because there's a legend about it
so are banette shedinja and phantump legendaries? they all have associated legends to them, actually 90% of the pokemon have some sort of legend associated with them.
Arcanine is my favorite legendary Pokemon.
He is the legendary Pokemon
>Legendary
>Can essentially buy him in a department store
What did they mean buy this
Swapgays still providing zero evidence outside of their "feels".
Literally flat earther tier delusional.
Anti-swapgays still providing zero evidence outside of their "feels".
Literally flat earther tier delusional.
Stop posting here and find a way to fix your idiocy.
Meant for
No
The ids suggest that the Butterfree line was designed as a set.
That is more concrete than anything you've provided. You are unable to do anything but deflect because you know you're wrong, and frankly I'm getting bored of your transparent trolling
>old paintings suggest earth is flat
Epic evidence brother.
Yeah, they changed the sprites not the Pokemon
Doesn't work, Venomoth was already fully implemented by the time they implemented the Butterfree line.
Proof? IDs aren’t proof, because the sprites and other details can be swapped without moving the base file the ID is attached to to avoid further confusion during development.
He knows already. He just plays idiot for replies which makes him an actual idiot.
>designer changed the evolutions seconds before giving it to the coders
morons actually think ids mean anything lol
Skeledirge being bipedal but hammered down to make the cat popular
Zarude would be easily the best starter design that Gen
It's too beast-like and too unemployed to be a starter
The G-Max Pokemon that did not belong to trainers in SwSh were originally meant to be bosses, but they were scraped.
The idea returned next gen as "Titan Pokemon"
What the frick are you talking about
It’s pretty clear what I meant. GMax Pokémon like Snorlax, Sandaconda and Kingler were originally meant to be Pokémon they were forced into dynamaxing at various points on the story and the player was supposed to fight them to calm them down.
True or not. It seems that originally those Gmax Pokemon was being mutated by energy wastes that Rose's power company has disposed to underground. That reminds me to some fan-game that has something to do with a nuclear wastes...
This makes sense. Macro Cosmos would have been secretly forcing those Pokémon into dynamaxing to extract the energy and feed it to Eternatus.
This would be like Wartortle to Blastoise. Where they are both kind of the same thing, have similar colors but completely different design gimmicks.
These two probably had the same inspiration, as did Ogerpon and Meowscarada.