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>no doomsayers that every mmo is doomed to be bad
the current mmo titles being bad doesn't mean league mmo potentially won't create the second golden age for mmo games
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Your hopes and fears
>no doomsayers that every mmo is doomed to be bad
the current mmo titles being bad doesn't mean league mmo potentially won't create the second golden age for mmo games
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>Wont be out until 2025
Who gives a frick, mmos will be dead by then
>LoL 10th anniversary stream
>oh by the way we are working on a MMORPG haha
>never mention it again
>this was four years ago
dead
>oh by the way we are working on a fps haha
then valorant comes out
>oh by the way we are working on a card game haha
legends of runeterra comes out
>oh by the way you're a fricking Black person.
why is no one laughing this time though?
because they lost their game director which is always a great sign of a healthy game
It is a sign of a healthy game when the director's name is Greg Street.
>here's why it's actually a good thing that the game lost its director who happened to work on some of the most popular games of all time
massive cope
His only accomplishment was ruining WoW even further, I'm glad they're rid of him.
He also worked on Age of Empires and League, but sure he's a complete failure. Also, if he's supposedly so bad, why did they hire him to lead their MMO project in the first place? Maybe because they recognize he's a decent designer and losing him is a big deal
Modern riot is so pozzed it drove off a blizzard employee. Let that sink in. I can't even imagine what it must be like working there, an absolute clown world.
Yep, the only company with ex-blizz devs that has any hope right now is the one with no women being owned by vanilla WOW gays, but their current project is an ARPG so we'll see.
It's the highest paying games employer in California and maybe the world, they pay double to triple Blizzard for the same role, you could put up with a lot of shit for that money
Not if you already worked for blizzard in its prime and had a nest egg from years of high paying bonuses.
There is no salary that could get me to live in troony central surrounded by 300lb mtf ni&&ers where every word I speak is scrutinized for wrong think and even looking at one of them wrong could get me blacklisted for life and crucified on social media.
All you need to do is not be a bigot hun
>hun
Please stop using sexist terms created by the white male patriarchy. I would kindly ask you to address me by my preferred pronouns hit/ler.
It's no wonder he left, he knew he could never get anything done with the animals running the zoo. It will be a miracle if they can manage to get it out the door. The safe bet is they will pull another overwatch, scrap it and use the assets to make something else.
They probably regretted that decision after seeing which direction their game was heading in so they got rid of him and allowed him to say that he quit to save face. No ex-WoW dev can ever bring anything of worth to the development of an MMO.
>RIot Games
It's never coming out. They can't scope anything that's not directly copied from another game, and they just fired the WoW leads responsible for doing exactly that.
>ghostcrawler is good for mmos
ghostcrawler single handedly killed wow you braindead zoomer
my fear is that there won't be any loose armor for women and i won't have a real reason to play the game
It won't have woman to begin with
It will have loose armor, for the main character a strong trans woman of color. You however will not be able to obtain such armor unless you set your pronouns to xhe/shem
Playable Yordles
ERP
I'm not even a coomer but if they have a playable Yordle race they've won.
Im calling it now, its not going to be a real MMO.
Its going to be closer to a Genshin clone, but with dungeons and raids. Riot simply doesn't have the technical developers to make a proper MMO, they can barely keep league of legends from shitting the bed.
And its Riot's MO to take a popular game, dumb it down, streamline the frick out of it, make it moron zoomer proof, and market the shit out of it. It will be successful, but not because its a good MMO as much as it is Riot's Genshin Impact with MMO style dungeons/raiding with all the waifu bait and Tencent funded marketing to shove it onto every PC, Phone, and Console available in china.
frick.
FRICK. this feels exactly like what they'd do. Generic "protagonist" character to play as, then give you a party of only the most popular and/or inclusive champions, and call it a day. Theyve seen Genshin and Honkai, theres no way in hell we get a real game
>they can barely keep league of legends from shitting the bed.
I think a lot of that is technical debt from the meagre origins of League, and a reluctance to go back and rewrite large swaths of dogshit code. I have higher (albeit tempered) hopes for them when starting from scratch.
My guy, have you seen valorant?
Yeah, I played it and it seemed to work really well, actually. Not a big fan of the game, but it seemed well made, except for the hideously obnoxious anti-cheat. Don't know enough to comment on it but I've heard it's quite invasive.
WoW has the same problem where they're petrified about rewriting it with modern graphics and de-spaghettifying the codebase, even though it's so painfully needed
It's because it's a lot of extra work and it doesn't increase profit so why would they dedicate resources to it.
Maybe not with WoW but with League the writing was on the wall pretty early on that it was gonna be both huge and suffer from the early tech debt. They could've redone a lot of it in season 2 and we'd probably be in a much better place now. Oh well.
While that's true season 2 was still the 'pump out content so we can grow the game' era. Like new champions every 2 weeks. Devs were probably busy as frick. Idk, would've probably been tough. By the time 'new content development' slowed down the game was already too big
Fair point, I forgot how rapid champion creation was at that time, it was kinda bonkers. I do miss those days.
Too be fair they had the entire DOTA-allstars hero suggestion archive to steal ideas from so it wasn't that hard.
>10 years later and dotards are still mad riot btfo'd their gay mod
>anyone who criticizes my dogshit company devoid of creativity is a dotard
Mindbroken, lmao
You're the one mindbroken for still seething about stuff that literally happened 10 years ago
Maybe release a stand alone game instead of jacking off and miss the golden goose?
>"n-no you are not supposed to bring up stuff that happened in the past"
Riotdrones' immediate shift into full defense mode is always hilarious.
it's been 30 years let it go dotard
As I said before, I don't give a shit about Dota.
The fact that you take so much offense of anyone critizing Riot is a reminder for the thread of the ample astroturfing that the company engages in.
That, or you just love the taste of corporation cum
No need to defence just pointing out a seething dotard
That stint of rapid development is probably one of the main reasons for the spaghetti code today. Bunch of cut corners and awful coding practices to make deadlines.
They ran out of champ concepts from the Dota Allstars forums. You can actual pinpoint the abysmal drop in quality when they had to come up with actual original shit
Because new players are already a trickle and will eventually stop entirely because nobody wants to start playing a N64-looking game in 2023. You need new players to replace old players otherwise long-running games end up dying off
Games die. Is it worth it to dedicate x amount of work hours rectifying an ancient codebase to give your game y more years of longevity or a 10% increase in playerbase? Probably not. It's moronic but it is what it is. Shareholders want one thing and it's fricking MONEY
You'd have to be insane to left a valuable intellectual property like Warcraft or League die. COD threw away all their legacy Quake3 code rebooted in 2019 and it was the best decision they made, the series became relevant for zoomers again, the game is making more money than ever before, they could develop quickly due to lack of spaghetti legacy code.
But CoD wasn't a live service game. It's a different type of beast entirely. Fixing the code is pointless at this point, that money would be better spent on developing a sequel considering it generates a lot more interest that "hey our backend code doesn't suck balls anymore", but then you have the issue of transitioning the playerbase from one game to another. Like think of all the mindbroken and MAZE'd mogs, mounts, cheevo morons on WoW. Do you think they'd leave all that behind for a new engine and an extra night elf boob polygon or two?
COD is a live service game nowadays. And you have to either do a rewrite or create a new game at some point, because with no new players coming in, the game becomes a gradually shrinking nostalgia graveyard, on a very slow downward incline to eventually hitting zero players
Path of Exile is doing a sequel/rewrite, Counterstrike just did a sequel/rewrite. Every long running game eventually needs to do this to survive. Just allow people to take their mountsmogscheevos into the new game, like those two games did, and nobody will complain.
PoE2 ended up being an entirely different game. It'll likely end up being played alongside PoE as opposed to overtaking it.
As for cs, I guess that's true but Valve has had Source 2 lying around doing frick all for what feels like 10 years now so it was honestly about time they did something about it.
I think a reboot/code rewrite is realistic only if they don't make their own engine, even then it's probably hard to justify to the board.
>its not going to be a real MMO.
this has already been known for years
A Genshin clone with League characters would actually be a great time
This is the only possible outcome and anyone who says otherwise is moronic.
>And they'll love it
Sad state
calling dibs on baron nashor raid boss as first one to release
They're going woke
I hope it's a proper MMO with a seamless world full of pvp activities and fun third-person action combat with lock-on instead of aiming.
The fighting game is years in development and how many characters they showed, 6?
They don't have the resources to make a MMO, probably is going to be a HUB game with instances.
>mmo
>with riot's fricking resetera tier ban heavy chat moderation
sounds very counter productive
Modern MMOs are just single player games, it's not like you talk to anyone in them anyways.
Left is probably fighting annoying trash packs 90% of the time, and 99% of real players would prefer right just because it gets to the fricking point
>is probably
I'm sorry anon.
You missed out.
This picture has triggered my pstd so badly. I spent a good week camping that NM that dropped the wing thing I can't remember the name. Killed it 3 or 4 times and never fricking got it. Honestly blows my mind thinking back to those days and the amount of time we were willing to put into mundane tasks. I feel like a game like that would be impossible to create in our current time. People have lost the ability to focus on anything for that long.
>People have lost the ability to focus on anything for that long.
Or there's just more examples of good game design around so people feel less inclined to waste their time on things that are fundamentally unfun.
Sure but it's an undeniable fact that social media has ruined peoples attention spans.
Love FFXI
Hate NM camping
simple as
Trash mobs are good actually, if you remove the build up to the fight, the pay-off is less satisfying.
Right is basically what left is after a few runs. People will only run the "proper" route. Might aswell save the resources on bloat and design proper fights instead.
wdym?
Seekers zones were a fricking mess, so many peopleI know pos warped through the dumb fricking barriers and got banned for it. Seekers itself was stupid, my 99 Ukon,Conq,Rag were all useless compared to a h2h that drops off a boss you just sch stunned and did a couple skillchains against. Frick this gay trex
xi had a cool world
if you aren't an rpgay you're playing the wrong genre
Im hyped for it. Riot has alot of talent. (just because you suck at league or valorant doesn't make the game shit)
No the game being shit makes the game shit lmao
Mad cuz bad
>Ghostcrawler is making an MMO with Riot!
>like two years in leaves the company
>okay he is probably just tired of game developme-
>starts another company and starts working on an MMO
So either Riot one was stifling ideas or they want a very specific vision that probably caters heavily to Chinese players aka grind game with P2W
what is he working on now i cant find anything
https://massivelyop.com/2023/04/06/greg-ghostcrawler-street-is-already-forming-a-new-mmo-studio/
https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status/1708114867259842812
considering their biggest success was stealing the dota formula and making it approachable for tweenagers and women I do no think this game will be good.
But I'm sure it'll sell millions or however they monetize it. morons buy skins and mounts after all because they think it enhances gameplay
That's basically what Blizzard did, they streamlined EverQuest for the masses and it was a huge success, WoW is hailed as the greatest MMORPG of all time, now it is an old rotting corpse.
Riot aims to modernize it even further as the old conventional 56k tab target combat doesn't cut it anymore, I really hope they do manage to usher in a new age of MMOs even if the pre-established MMO audience of hopeless addicts gets left behind.
I've got news for you bud, that's all Blizzard has ever done after their couple of random SNES releases like JLA and Blackthorne and TLV.
WC was just dumbed down versions of Dune II
SC was just a dumbed down version of WC
Diablo was a dumbed down version of old adventures games like Telengard combined with proc gen of Rogue
WoW was a dumbed down EQ
Hearthstone was a dumbed down MTG
HOTS was a dumbed down DOTA/LoL
OW was a dumbed down TF2
And their upcoming survival game is a dumbed down mix of ARK and Tarkov.
Taking existing forumlas and dumbing them down / casualizing them has worked for them for 30+ years.
This isn't news to me, I'm saying that Riot does the same thing, which is why it's the most Blizz-like company. They're likely the ones to pick up the torch after Blizzard bites the dust.
>Diablo was dumbed down Telengard
lmao what the frick are you talking about you moron
I agree with everything else tho
Vanilla WoW was easily the best done MMO of all time though, even as a 20 year XI/OSRS gay nothing really comes close to vanilla WoW. TBC and beyond sucked dick though and it just got worse till 5.2.
It was great for its time but the formula doesn't hold water anymore, if Riot wants to achieve success on par with WoW then they've gotta think outside the box.
>Vanilla WoW was easily the best done MMO of all time though
In a world where OG SWG and DAoC : SI existed? Absolutely not.
Only thing I care about is Kha'Zix
imagine wasting 10 years and billion dollars on developing an mmorpg and then it has level scaling in it which means i wont touch it. lmao what a waste of money modern mmorpgs are.
I hope they let me play as the undead, like proper rotting flesh with bones showing undead, and not the troony spooky ghost undead. Just a skeleton would be fine too, I guess.
I fear that piltover and zaun will both get a sex change clinic in the main square. And I'm fully expecting some quests about that trannies and gays that won't accessible in china.
Ghostcrawler already left the team by the way.
Riot is very good at making user-friendly copies of previous games. All of their games are clones of other games, and they do that very well. The big question is which MMO are they drawing their inspiration from
Almost word for word the same shit we saw back in like 2002 when we were told Blizzard is making a new MMO.
They should make it like Genshin Impact.
>Thinking LoL MMO will be good when it will be full of LGBT, no white people unless they're evil, millenial writing, no sexy clothes on women with big breasts, etc
Luckily because of this news, I hope CEO of Riot starts firing people.
LoL has all of that
Yes, hence why I said it
>he doesn't know
They're "shutting down" the ESG initiative by literally just changing what it's called.
You people have never played LoL and it's hilarious to see you cry about shit like no sexy women when players are complaining the entire female roster is copy pasted sexy bimbos
they stopped releasing bimbos champs for a while and released BIPOC and gay homosexual champs like Akshan and Viego. The last champ they released is literally just pedobait which is weird as frick.
>tfw just playing belveth because I like when you get waves of voidlings to push turrets with after getting rift herald and baron
Champ is complete shit if you can't get at least one rift early on
They haven't made bimbos since 2018. By 2021, they started to censor the women, Caitlyn and Ahri being huge examples.
who the frick HASN'T played LoL at some point in their life? do you think it's some weird niche?
Most people who play it give it the frick up in a few days because of how shit it is.
white "people" can't be evil because i'm white haha
Frick that where's Arcane S2
Old MMOs were cool because they were filled with cool interesting people with jobs and social skills. If anything, the games were the hip new digital online pubs of the 2000s. Normie thing, even.
Nowdays it's a bunch of clueless socially awkward zoomers, and chronically online millenials and boomers who cling onto the glories of the past.
Games are bound to be shit when consumers are. And League isn't exactly known for a good playerbase.
MMO devs can't lean on the novelty of large scale multiplayer anymore like they did in the past for the reasons you mentioned, they actually have to make good games that carry themselves with good gameplay. Games you'd want to play even if you're alone. This is a good thing, devs can't just copy WoW anymore and call it a day, it has to be a novel experience.
theres 4 central problems though:
- mmos used to be social games, but social means inconvenient (no groupfinder, no auction house, no soloing content); convenience beats social everytime, turning mmos into massively single player online games
- leveling up, experiencing the world and the story used to be the central part of mmos, but nowadays the leveling process is just an obstacle until you get to the endgame, where the "real game" starts, meaning you can do your exact same 10 daily quests and your weekly raid again and again and again to increase stat x by 2 or get your renown to max or whatever. and for that you rushed through all the amazing leveling content.
- monetization sucks; subscriptions just dont work anymore, so mtx must be, p2w must be and the great transmogs are store online in any case
- mmo players are shit in general, pvp vs. pve, raid vs dungeon, ultra hardcore grinders vs casuals; too many different opinions
theres a reason wow classic works, it succeeds in 2 of these points and partly at least in the other 2
no other modern mmos work in any way
If it's raiding focused instead pvp it'll be shit by default. Raiding in mmos is fricking shit. Wow doesn't even work without weakauras and RUN AWAY LITTLE GIRL addons. Absolute trash. FFXIV raiding is too hard and I don't care to learn moves that aren't even telegraphed. Raiding shouldn't be harder than a monster hunter monster. Pvp should be the focus because that was literally the only fun part of wow and they removed it lol. Also yordles.
I agree, in an ideal world the game won't have any instanced content at all. Everything takes place in large zones and you have to compete against others for resources like mob and boss spawns. If you're outside of a safe area there should always be the looming threat of a stealthed rogue ready to pounce when you're most vulnerable.
I doubt we're gonna get that though, the industry seem to be moving away from games with fun pvp interactions in general because the majority of snowflakes can't handle it. It'll most likely be a side activity reserved for instanced arenas and battlegrounds.
pvp-based mmos have zero audience, stop pushing this moronic bullshit. It's like trying to make an arena shooter in 2023, it's a very efficient way to lose your investment
real
>duuuude this is a baby game wheres the pvp broooo wheres the full loot open world pvp man this iisnt hardcore, this is baby mode, where are the pvp servers, what is this world of peacecraft??
>game/server that he wants with this shit comes out
>to no ones surprise, the playerbase is full of the most autistic nolife clan homosexuals that make the game miserable for everyone
>wow dude wtf no one is playing where are all the new players for me to shit on bro this is lame this game is dead
exactly, New World listened to these morons until they realized at the last minute how bad of an idea this is and reworked it to be PVE
PvP MMOs are fun, but it doesn't need to be one or the other.
The problem with PvE MMOs nowadays is that they are just really bad single player games.
New world compromised on its core design at the last minute to become some grotesque amalgamation of a pvp + pve game that ended up not holding either audience
Nobody said New World was good (it's not), just that they were seduced by the concept of a pvp mmo until they realized what an obscene commercial blunder it would be
The problem is that they let WoW-addicts into the alpha to playtest it and they left a lot of negative feedback because it wasn't a carbon copy of WoW, so they decided to change it last minute turning the game into a freakshow with no identity. It could have been a novel MMO that captured a brand new playerbase, but no they wanted to appeal to the old jaded MMO playerbase instead.
>novel MMO that captured a brand new playerbase
There isn't a market for pvp mmos, no company is going to gamble hundreds of millions of a hardcore pvp playerbase magically materializing from nothing, you have to stop pretending like this is a real thing
There definitely is a market for it but we'll never see it if nobody dares target it. PvP multiplayer games are the most popular games in the world, a proper PvP MMO that manages to capture these audiences would be a huge deal.
There is a massive market for PVP MMOs, you just don't agree because its not going to be as big as WOTLK was once upon a time.
Pure PVE MMOs with no PVP, or shit PVP always fail because everyone runs out of shit to do in mere weeks without exessive timegating, PVP gives people something to do with all the gear they wasted their lives grinding for months.
Imagine how fricking cucked it would feel if Sulfuras was in an MMO with no PVP, the fricking proc would be fricking dogshit for the first two tiers and outclassed by the time you get to tier AQ/Naxx
The closest thing to a PVP MMO in the past few years was Proletariat’s Spellbreak which was disastrously unpopular and the studio shut down and was acquired by Blizzard and the 100+ employees are now pumping out cosmetics for the WoW Trading Post
Prove the concept works as an indie/AA game and studios will start making PVP MMO-style games. At the moment the only proof is it doesn't work (Spellbreak) and a bunch of 40 year old boomers from UO times saying DUDE TRUST ME
It's not a new story, it's happened time and time again.
>Company promises that its going to create a full loot pvp game just like good old Ultima online
>People get interested
>Developers cuck out and make some amalgamation WoW design + pvp that doesn't mean anything on the side.
>Both the original audience and the wowdrones lose interest because it caters to neither of them
it keeps happening
Exactly, people say a pvp mmo can't work but just like communism it has never really been tried. They always cuck out and try to have their cake and eat it too.
there are literally full loot open season pvp mmos right now, online with about as many players as you would expect
They're all shit games, the first order of business is to create a game that people want to play because it's fun, that hasn't really happened yet.
>uhhh just make the pvp mmo fun!! no ones playing them because theyre not fun! if they were fun, people would be playing them!
you're so close
Name a fun PvP MMO that isn't a top-down click to move piece of shit that nobody wants to play because it sucks dick, you can't.
Mortal online of course.
I said fun, MO is made exclusively for autists that enjoy doing monotonous tasks for hours, nobody that's normal in the head wants to frick with that.
the truth is it didn't matter what game I replied with you were going to say that regardless
Correct, because they are all shit.
Because there aren't any, else we would have a PvP MMO with the size and popularity of WoW at its peak and no such MMO exists because nobody has made it yet.
Why do you need the size and popularity of WoW?
That's just a recipe to ruin your game forever, being niche but just successful enough is a good place to be, otherwise it becomes insufferable in an mmo environment
We were arguing about potential markets for PvP MMOs until you came along.
a niche market is not a potential market?
WOW in its prime was a PVP MMO you mong, it just also happened to have good PVE as well.
SPOILER PVP MMOs need PVE as well to get people out in the world doing shit, WOW had both in its prime, farming materials in vanilla, guilds fighting over throne of the elements and sunwell in TBC, fighting over material nodes in wintergrasp between the dogshit minigame, and the dogshit minigame itself to get one of your weekly tier set drops from the vault.
But hey, we can just ignore all that because you played on a pussy server and never flagged once. Also notice how no one talks about how hard any raid boss was and how cool it was years later, no that shit is gay, what they talked about is how your guild dunked on crossroads constantly, or the funeral gank or blood plague trolling, ect.
Its also pussies like you that get the scourge zombie event cut short every-single-fricking-time its implemented
>Its also pussies like you that get the scourge zombie event cut short
these people are the worst, especially when they're on a pvp server already
WoW isn't a PvP MMO, it's an MMO with PvP. You can chose to play on PvE servers and never touch PvP, that won't happen in a real PvP MMO.
Darkfall refugees really play this and it makes me laugh. These games will never be popular. The reason is besides the fact they're all objectively poor quality made by talentless hacks. The HARDCORE FOOL LOOT PEEVEEPEE that almost no one wants is just icing on the cake.
It's almost as if they want to play a game within a certain niche and their options are limited because its a niche genre.
but feel free to stay mad about people liking something that you don't
It IS a genre that I like since I played UO, Darkfall, was excited for New World before it was opt-in pvp. Pre-ordered mortal but it was so hilariously bad I deleted it in 30 minutes. Dumpstering people and taking all their shit was only fun for me. Their experience was obviously fricking boring and frustrating. I get an infinite amount of gear and can even pay my subscription with in-game gold that I looted from them. They get to farm for 4 hours for a chance to fight for 2 minutes and die. Griefboxes have a net-negative fun factor and by their very nature cannot sustain a playerbase.
>feel free to stay mad about people liking something that you don't
Projection.
vanilla WOW
didnt like 99 percent of the pvp servers die because it got so lopsided that the other side literally could not play the game
yeah and Blizzard did absolutely NOTHING to try to balance the servers but instead ransomed people with paid transfers to pad their quarterly earnings, so people just quit instead of deal with that
why is it blizzards job to balance the servers>
>hey guys uhh i know you've been playing with your friends and all but you're gonna have to frick off at random to other servers of my choosing, kthanxbye
the design is inherently problematic
Private servers solved this trivially a long time ago
>disable new character creation for the overpopulated faction only
>free transfers from one faction to another
>free transfers from other overpopulated servers to the underpopulated faction/server
wow so hard. Except the accountants like paid transfer macrotransactions more than they like balanced servers and good gameplay
where is the incentive for the player on an overpopulated server in their favor to go to an underpopulated server not in their favor? or roll on that server at all?
>please sign up to get camped and griefed, please please we promise itl get better bro
You prevent it from happening in the first place by disabling the overpopulated character creation once the ratio gets too bad
They did sort of fix it on Classic era, all the 100% horde and 100% alliance servers gets combined into a roughly 50/50 distribution. It seems to be holding steady because there's always someone that wants to play on one or the other no matter what.
Yep, because there wasn't any race locking and of course horde favoritism still persists even in vanilla
But note that I said vanilla WOW, not classic WOW, and note how subs began to tank when you can just teleport to dungeons with groupfinder and AFK in cities since there was no reason to leave them.
>Peak New World players is about 27k players in the last 30 days
>Peak EVE Online players is about 30k in the past 30 days
The fact that EVE, a game that plays like dogshit is beating a modern MMO like New World, and lets not start talking about dead MMOs like Wildstar which exclusively catered to raidgays
>Spellbreak
>anything close to an MMO
Now you're just being moronic.
>New World
The funny thing is that 27k is supposed to be considered a spike because they're releasing a scam DLC. The game was literally averaging 10k players for months.
>talking this much without knowing shit
Rust is extremely popular and is basically a PvP MMO. I myself sunk 2K hours into Ark until they released the extinction dlc map and ruined the PvP meta. PvP focused MMO can work and are basically heroin for me so I'm glad the industry hasn't cracked the code for them yet or else I'd be unemployed and addicted to them.
>MMO
not with a map 10x smaller than DayZ it's not.
lol actual moron inbound
you think an ark cluster of 6+ maps with 100-150km surface area populated with 60 people per server is not a massive multiplayer online environment? Again talking without knowing frick all. Even without considering ark, rust can have dozens of players interacting simultaneously on a persistent world.
More of an MMO than going through a loading screen to farm along with 15 people on the same instance while only being able to see them
>hopes
nothing
>fears
nothing
t. playing from season 2
Im hoping for yordle feet. My fears are no yordle feet.
im hoping for each region to have its own starting area, with each having a different focus of its gameplay (this will never ever happen)
Perhaps not every MMO (thought honestly, totally every MMO), but this one for sure. It's made by the Le*gue devs. How can anything by them be good?
Who fricking cares?
I might play it if they let me /spit and call people Black folk but instead it will be 10x more snowflake pandering like their MOBA.
>Game director recently quit
yeah it's dead
Ironically he would guarantee the game to be utter dogshit
He was game director for WotLK which is WoW's most successful xpac of all time, but way to cherrypick his failures to push a narrative
Classic has proven wotlk also sucked dick
the talent tree system sucked shit in D2 and it was nearly as bad in WoW, putting points into 1% parry felt bad and was bad, deal with it
Getting a talent upgrade with every level felt great, only getting an upgrade every 15 levels was shocking design that they've finally rectified in the past year
said no one ever
MOP talents are worse in every way
>B-but they're all just 1% bonuses per point
No they're not
And when you divide the numerical bonuses you get from a MOP talent by 15 you'll come out to roughly the same shit, except instead of putting 10 points in tier 1, skipping tier 2, and putting 5 into tier 3, you can only pick 1 of each talent per tier
New World was always going to be a commercial blunder, the revamp into a generic WOW dungeon farm shitstain of a game cemented it.
Greg would only frick it up like he did WoW, good riddance.
It would be the highlight of most people's career to have successes as popular as his failures
He was brought in during the peak of WoW's popularity and it saw steady decline after he started pulling the levers, the guy is an absolute menace. I bet Riot kicked him out because the game was turning into a generic copy of retail WoW.
I WANT TO FRICK AHRI!
Didn't everyone important working on it just quit?
It's in development hell just like every Riot game that isn't League or Valorant. Release date for the Riot MMO: never ever
>or Valorant
Yet I remember people saying riot would never release another game right before they managed to steal cs' lunch
Also lor is a decent card game way better than h*arthstone
I need cute barefoot girls. Worst thing they could do is make it ugly and boring
Its probably cancelled
Imagine how cursed you would have to be to work on a huge project but it's stuck with the shitty LoL IP.
The LoL IP can be whatever you want it to be. They regularly rewrite the entire lore to suit whatever the frick the current writer wants. It's like a comic book.
my wife on the right
Riot has never, ever made anything that resembles the word quality.
Yordles is the very definition of quality.
LoR was legitimately good for a couple months.
Everything else with the Riot brand is actual dogshit made for braindead morons though, I'll agree
I WANT TO PLAY YORDLES!!!! If i can't make a silly yordle male as my main character and then a human male that has sex with yordles then the game is garbage
Anyone saying "Riot" here should have their head examined, the company is owned by Tencent, same exact people that owns Path of Exile and many other games.
If they want to, they will make another game.
I'm sure they will have the initial riot points cosmetic/mount shop finished a year or two before the game itself is finished.
I wanna create a cute Jinx look-alike.
It's going to be a bug game
>riot games
Hard pass. I hope they get a natural disaster on their offices.
>this game will exist and basically be the next major thing not because its good but because it has effectively infinite money from chinks pumped into it
regardless I will never play another riot game in my life having quit league
>and basically be the next major thing not because its good but because it has effectively infinite money from chinks pumped into it
That's not even a guarantee anymore.
LoR is dead as frick.
TFT, despite the chink money pumped into it, failed to make any impact whatsoever after 3 months
Wild Rift is a massive flop, soundly beaten in riot's #1 market China by Honor of Kings, in SEA by MLBB, and being irrelevant anywhere else because only literal subhumans would play a MOBA on a mobile device
Man I hope they give it proper action combat, they should copy Elden Ring. If it's another FPS turd like New World I'm gonna be pissed.
NW is way closer to ER than it is to fps
No way gay, it's basically a TPS with skills, all of which you aim. You could change it to first person and barely tell the difference.
no you click a button and your char swings the bigsword
You aim your sword just like you aim your bow or blunderbuss, that's why the melee combat feels so awful, because it plays like a fricking shooter.
The melee gameplay in PvP is probanly the worse melee gameplay of any MMO. There's so much desync and a lack of tracking it's insane. But it doesn't feel like it was designed as a shooter. Ranged weapons just circumvent that.
Lack of tracking?? There's way too much tracking, your character magnetizes towards the enemy with every swing making it almost impossible to miss. It's absolute dogshit.
Unless you land a gap closer skill first, you will never land a light attack on someone simply running away from you. With any melee weapon. Unless you have 50~ ping.
The game is clearly developed by people that have never played a proper action game in their lives.
muskets and bow have ruined the game since launch, now blunderbuss
I just wish it won't be top-down..
A bit of the opposite, I actually like Lost Ark and there is a real hole for a big isometric MMO that will appeal to westerners and isn't just another korean clone with the whole RNG blacksmithing shit.
There are enough top-down MMOs, go play Albion and shut up.
bro who the frick is playing Albion
You tell me, maybe people don't like top-down shit that much.
It's still the most played sandbox MMORPG today. It's just that the majority of the playerbase doesn't speak English.
albion is dead are you fricking blind?
That one nation where Ahri comes from, Irona I think it's called. Yeah that place becomes a furry/weeb paradise. Idgaf anymore; if we're going in go hard and don't puss out on the weird factor.
I'm fairly sure Ahri's race is near-extinct but they keep releasing furry champs so not like it really matters
Alright. They saved dota, they saved FPS, they saved mahjong-style autochess. I'll give them that.
But they'll never save MMOs. Their luck streak ends now.
>saved FPS
I hate this bland chink artstyle that took over LoL and a chunk of the industry, bros. Literally the worst thing next to super bright plastic graphics.
I dunno. It'll probably have good PvP gameplay? Considering MOBAs are just refined MMO PvP. I doubt it will be a good MMO. It will probably be another restrictive themepark that's a que simulator. People unironically consider Lost Ark a MMO instead of a ARPG so I think standards have fallen low enough for it to succeed.
The good old days are never coming back.
sounds like a you problem
Yea I miss having no standards and eating up any grindy korean filth you put in front of me because I don't know any better.
My fear is that its gonna be a mini game social mmo
Another fear is that its gonna be plagued with trannies lesbians gays israelites spicks israelites Black folk
My hope is that it will as nice as their other games. I was pleasantly surprised with the presentation of their new releases.
>Another fear is that its gonna be plagued with trannies lesbians gays israelites spicks israelites Black folk
The time for fear is long past friend, that is confirmed. It's going to be the most heavily censored and policed online game of all time. There will be GM's lurking in chat 24/7 and they will also be monitoring all private and guild messages for wrong think.
There will be AIs luring in the the chat, they'll ban you before you've even hit enter.
We should have listened, we should have turned back.
Who the frick uses ingame chats anymore? Discord exists, boomers.
leave the website forever zoomer
how do you even function in multiplayer games kek
They are looking into megaservers for this game which means they'll be able to control which people you'll run into in the world. They can do a profile on you based on your behavior and fit you into a category of players you'll most likely fit in with. In theory they don't really have to ban anyone for being mean, they can just put you in the mean people pool and only allow you to play with other mean people.
Another thing to steal from Dota, nice
Honestly it's just social credit kek
Just a few more FICO credits and I'll be able to buy a house!
moron
>in development hell for over a decade
>free to play, gacha, season pass and other current monetization garbage
>asshomosexuals shit lore
miss me with all that shit
relax urban thug