>left
>obscure and forgotten immediately
>right
>best seller
Name one reason why indie devs should put effort into their games instead of just meme-maxxing
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>left. >obscure and forgotten immediately. >right. >best seller
Wrong thread?
If you want people to talk about why nobody knows what game is in the OP, you should open up by telling people what the game is in the OP. Otherwise, the topic of the thread is
>tell me why games shouldn't be memes
are you moronic? he's asking why left flopped
Saying a game is only popular because "meme maxxing" is him liking it? You esl morons are hilarious. Learn the language or gtfo.
If he thinks Undertale got popular because of the memes-
And if you think him saying that isn't him asking why left flopped but instead why undertale succeeded-
Then you're moronic
rpg fatigue
It got unlucky, with how many indies there are it's literally random whether shit succeeds or not.
fpbp, op hanged himself immediately afterward
Hah, you wish.
based underage poster
I have always thought that this is meme is inherently moronic because if you truly didn't care, you wouldn't have replied.
that's a non-argument. you don't have to care to say that you don't care.
>get really mad at a post
>spend the rest of my natural life spamming le idc meme
that image was made for malders who didn't have the confidence to leave a thread without having the last word
Literally this entire thread.
>absolutely brainpoisoned /misc/Black person just cannot stop himself from shoehorning in trannies at the end of his WORDSWORDSWORDS edit
lol
You'll never be a woman.
thank god, i enjoy having my penis
I only played eastward
the one on the right is superior in gameplay, music, writing, characters, and story. you could say the graphics are 'bad' but they are fantastic for readability and perfectly suited to the content of the game. you don't have a creative mind so you can't see beyond
>more detail and lighting = better
you probably actually like ai art
>the one on the right is superior in gameplay, music, writing, characters, and story
No it's not, your personal biases are not universal
>your personal biases are not universal
Exactly, OP is moronic.
Objectively more effort went into Eastward
why wasn't it as good as undertale then? are the devs just stupid?
It was as good, if not better
What about Eastward is not a game? It has more engaging gameplay than UT
Wrong. If it was better then it would be well known.
Bad games get bad reviews. Good games get good reviews. With the exception of memes like Goat Simulator, this is generally the rule.
If the left game failed, it's because it's bad. That's the only proof you need.
>if it's good then it will succeed
This cope has been proven wrong time and time and time again, how many times until you people accept life is not a meritocracy
Bro this entire thread is nothing but shitposting and abject cope. It's not an infallible rule, but when indie is compared against indie, neither of which have any advertising, both of which get crowdfunded to completion, the one that succeeds is probably just better.
your personal biases are not universal
That has been established, we're talking about objective facts now
How do you know?
Do you personally know how much time went into each game, or is that your personal bias speaking?
It's kind of self-evident innit
Not really, as
states.
Effort is scalable. It takes someone less effort to create the left game if they are skilled in art. Someone who is not so great at art would have to put in a hell of a lot of effort just to achieve the results on the right.
Mental moronation and incompetence should not factor into it
It would seem that you don't actually understand what effort and hard work is.
It takes effort to become skilled in art
Some people are just good at different things. Look at ZUN and Ryukishi07.
It takes effort to become good at anything
Correct, and it also takes effort to create things you are not skilled at. Toby's skill is music.
Anyone can remix existing melodies into existing sound fonts, being original on the other hand takes skill
Being original in music is nearly impossible.
Yes, more effort went into graphics when graphics aren't really that important.
Graphics aren't that important but music is I guess
Well undertale ost is fricking legendary.
see
>Undertale
>Superior gameplay
It's a walking simulator with the vestiges of a JRPG system which can't go 5 minutes without interrupting your gameplay (walking) with unfunny cutscenes.
OP is right, capturing the minds of fanatical morons and internet perverts is all that matters in game development.
>capturing the minds of fanatical morons and internet perverts is all that matters in game development.
damn right
that's the modus operandi of gacha and they're dominating the shit out of the market
It did well for BG3 as well. Literally just add memes and sex and you have a bestseller. Apparently normies aren't aware that porn is free.
So you never played BG3 but you've seen 3 memes about it so you're an expert.
Filtered by the dodge-em-up gameplay. Only actual morons would pretend Undertale is a walking sim. For the record I hate Undertale's writing and graphics, but I like the core gameplay a lot because it essentially crosses a shoot em up bullet hell style game with an RPG, and that's awesome. I just wish a better writer had designed the scenario.
>Hold right
>Watch cutscene
>Hold right
>Watch cutscene
This is not an RPG.
Sounds exactly like a 16-bit era JRPG to me.
Nah, that would have some random encounters between cutscenes.
So, like Undertale?
No, because Undertale punishes you if you beat encounters.
It still has random encounters you have to spend time on.
Yeah, but you get jack out of them.
In your typical 16-bit jrpg you at least get to level up if you defeat the random encounter instead of running.
Sounds like Undertale isn't made for a more hardcore audience, then.
>isn't
And this is why I shouldn't be up at 4 am
kek bullshit
this whole thread is being transcribed from tel aviv and it's noon there
why do people always blame their typos on their tiredness? would you still say you made a typo because you were tired even if it wasn't 4a.m.?
if you made a typo at 3p.m. would it be because you're tired?
One thing is your body being tired, other thing is your brain being tired and sleepy, it gets slower and you simple do not notice typos.
i get that being tired can make you more susceptible to making typos, but i swear everytime someone notices a typo they've made, their response is always, "oops, i was tired!"
>Its the joos, its a conspiracy!!!!!!
Jew, sorry, 4 am in my country 🙂
when did i say anything about israelites? i was talking about how people always blame typos on tiredness.
How does it exactly punishes you?
You get locked out of the "true good ending"
Do you know what game we are discussing?
Define "true good ending".
The ending with the extra dungeon, extra lore, and the true final boss that leads to the best conclusion of the story and resolves the most plot threads. You dense motherfricker.
The genocide ending has extra lore and the best bosses in the game. "The best conclusion of the story" is subjective.
Was not aware Trudeau was a game dev
Neat
>He thinks the only way to beat the fights is to kill the monsters
Confirmed for not playing the game.
>0 XP
You didn't beat the encounter sweety
Sorry moron, the text literally says "YOU WON!", so I did beat the encounter AND I still didn't get locked out of the true good ending.
>text literally says
>reading text
RPGs are all about numbers anon, and you lost. Now stop with the ableistic language and go beat the game properly.
it was just a misunderstanding. one anon thought the other anon meant beating encounters meant killing the enemies. you both played the game and beat it. it's okay
you dont even get the preachy ending unless you literally go out of your way to kill everything in the entire game moron. are you that ape brained that you get mad when you cant kill virtual pixels on a screen for dopamine?
Except they have RPG mechanics, instead of a superfluous item shop.
It's a glorified visual novel for people who want to feel invested in the lesbian relationships of anthropomorphic cartoon characters.
On the one hand I agree.
On the other hand, most JRPGs ARE glorified visual novels, but with stories that are much worse than any book, an average VN, or even an RPGMaker game. There are some nice exceptions, but that's it.
And yes, TWEWY is a visual novel. I like the story, but it's obvious it was the main appeal.
TWEWY has some of the most fun gameplay of any game ever, even ignoring the story it would still be great.
The gameplay in TWEWY is actually fricking rad, though. I’ve replayed both games multiple times just to experience the combat some more.
But enough about BG3
Eastward has lots of dialogue too, probably around the same if not more than Undertale
The combat also drags on and on, enemy types are not that varied and combat will feel samey for hours at a time. Undertale constantly introduces new enemies in each area and every boss changes the combat system
Sounds like Persona 5
You only like the right one because youre a moronic zoomer who played it when you were 6 years old and thought it was the funniest, most unique game ever made.
Undertale is shit.
youre right and its no wonder the artless streetshitters are mad at you
>you probably actually like ai art
rent free
Undertale is uncreative as frick, is basically a Nintendo jrpg rip off but with furries, because the creator is a degenerate coomer hack with no original ideas.
>left: Nv-sovl
>right: Soulverflow
Cream rises to the top, buddy.
Undertale would be at the bottom if not for the built-in fanbase from Homestuck though
The undertale fans who discovered the game through homostuck are minority Hussie, most knew about the game because their favorite YouTuber played it
Zero Punc said it was the best game in a decade so I bought it. Was not disappointed.
Yahtzee's a bandwagoning tool who never left the 90s, of course he loves the game
>who never left the 90s
>Hates RTS games.
>Generally dislikes traditional RPG games.
>Generally dislikes JRPG games.
I think you cited the wrong decade. He hates most genres which flourished at the time.
Because he was a contrarian little shit back then too, and channeled those energies into making terrible point n click games. He's that kid who considered himself too mature for his peers, and never grew past it.
>muh eceleb
zoomers and millennials are nothing but a mistake
And why did those YouTubers choose to play Undertale in particular out of the thousands of indie games that have been releasing every day for a decade now
Are you seriously going to say Pewdiepie and Markiplier gave a shit about homostuck Hussie? They just saw it was the hot new thing and the lesser israelitetubers played it to get in the easy cash
>They just saw it was the hot new thing
How did they see that, how did Undertale make it from the storefronts "new releases" page to being the hot new thing instead of buried like 99.99% of other games
Same can be said about every streamer bait game, even toby didn't expect the game to be a hit, since he only thought the homosuck people would play it, Hussie.
im a zoomer and my friend told me about it in school
I was the Zoomer telling my friends about it because I was a homestuckgay and actually played the kickstarter demo.
I'm still a little mad that everyone brushed it off as "just another weird game he's fixating on" only to watch as the entire fricking highschool was overtaken by Undertale mania like two months later. I was ahead of the curve for once, God damn it.
I pirated it the day it came out without knowing anything about it, just because every game had a super busy cover and undertale was just a name and a little heart, and I loved it.
No pirate site shows covers dumbass, stop embarrassing yourself trying to suck Toby's dick
>No pirate site shows covers dumbass
rarbg literally did when i downloaded kh3 from there
Except Undertale really doesn't have a cover art.
eastward was still a huge success, undertale just had a huge springboard to jump off of, toby fox had basically the entire homestuck audience ready to jump on his game + it was one of the early kickstarter successes
>eastward was still a huge success
Much smaller than Undertale, and more importantly, it was forgotten while Undertale is considered a classic. I'd much rather have a cheap well-remembered game than a forgotten best seller.
Worked for Toby but either way see above, effort doesn't help with recognition or cultural impact either. More people will remember the phone game ripoff Vampire Survivors than Eastward.
>More people will remember the phone game ripoff Vampire Survivors than Eastward.
sad, but true. appealing to the lowest common denominator means more people will know you. to be honest i'm still not sure how that game got as popular as it did, it's basically an idle clicker but with more colors on the screen. is that really all it takes?
Undertale really came out at the right time. A bunch of Youtubers playing your game while growing their own brand was pretty good synergy, it feels like it couldn't have all just been a coincidence.
Right has better composition and visual clarity.
It really doesn't
It does. Pixel games don't need fancy postprocessing, makes things too busy. The more limited color palette makes it easier on the eyes as well.
i add options to turn post processing off, everygame should have it, tbh
I agree about the post processing but the values are clear enough for it to not be a problem here, Undertale simply looks amateurish in comparison.
Undertale's spritework is very ugly I agree. If the game on the left had more contrasting colors and no postprocessing it'd shit all over Undertale for sure.
>name one reason
financial success should not be the goal of your indie passion project
Sure but apparently the game did so poorly despite over half a decade in development that they had to come out with a standalone DLC to even attempt to recoup the costs
troony Tale had the groomer fanbase to signal boost it
gamers are fricking moronic, you can make a technical master piece with top tier graphics, and will be forgotten for the sake of some meme game who took 1/10 of the effort.
honestly Undertake is at least above mediocre, there are millionaire asset flips like vampire survivors out there who are way worst.
> vampire survivors
10/10 on steam
you are the reason this industry is shit
I’ve never played it. Looks terrible, you say it’s terrible, than a 10/10 rating. I’m so intrigued.
mostly gambling addicts, giving a ten of of ten because it is a gambling game at it's core.
good morning sirs
Gross
this is true
"gamers" these days genuinely do not care about effort
they just want something hilarious to talk about and oh, SHARE, with other brainless people
this is an unfortunate side-effect of spcial media
just people begging for attention by parroting the most popular opinions and being eternally scared of saying the wrong thing or risk getting shamed for having a controversial opinion
whats the game on the left
It’s called eastward I guess. Check it out. It’s 50% off right now and has high ratings
https://store.steampowered.com/app/977880/Eastward/
Why does the protagonist look like a boy in a wig?
The kid (Sam) is a girl. The old guy (John) is essentially her adoptive parent actually the main protagonist but both of them are the MCs since you can control both of them too.
I don't know how to explain it, but Eastward's art style feels like it was made to impress. It doesn't "look good", it looks like it was made to make someone think "wow, that looks good!" It just doesn't feel genuine. It feels like someone is trying to flex how good their art is rather than focus on the art itself. Same with Owlboy.
Undertale's art is utilitarian and doesn't feel pretentious. It's like Toby really just wanted to make his game, despite his limited art ability (though I think Temmie ended up doing most of the art past Act 1 any way), and it comes off as very sincere and charming.
Everything else about Undertale feels pretentious and it worked to great success
>pretentious
You don't know what that word means.
it means it thinks it's more important than it is. it applies.
>it means it thinks it's more important than it is.
How, Peter?
it insists upon itself. Also it has an insufferable troony fanbase
What does that even mean?
It means it's fricking pretentious. Now we're talking in circles though.
>Ask "How"
>Get a "What" answer
Dumb ESL
>every line of dialogue
Now YOU'RE being pretentious.
Ah so you genuinely don't know what pretentious means, got it
Ah so you haven't played the game, got it
You have already proven you don't know the definition of the word so any further posts by you are pointless
Those topics are sprinkled in among the cringe jokes and it's tonally dissonant as frick
You don't know what pretentious means either?
>Thinks he knows what he's talking about using absolute statements like "every line od dialog"
>Pivots to arguing about definitions
Like I said: Pretentious drivel, troony.
Sage
You seem really mad about being proven wrong
Consession: Accepted
It's a pixelshit walking simulator where every line of dialogue is trying to be a joke that still thinks it has any right to discuss topics like child killing, pacifism, game morality, and identity with seriousness.
>still thinks it has any right to discuss topics like child killing, pacifism, game morality, and identity with seriousness.
And what would you know about the sincerity of those topics?
I know they are topics not suited for jokey pixelshit. Like the movie Remember Me shoehorning 9/11 into a romance drama.
>I know they are topics not suited for jokey pixelshit.
Yeah, no one deals with dark and complicated subjects through humor...
>I know they are topics not suited for jokey pixelshit.
Pretentious drivel. You didn't play the game, troon.
Cringe
Spot on. Eastward's aesthetics are good in the sense that they can ruthlessly extract an emotional response because they're expertly crafted to do so. Whereas undertale, and other games like it, have a more earnest humanity layered beneathe the flaws.
>he fell for Toby's israeli tricks
Toby literally discarded assets made by other artists so he could make his own that are uglier on purpose, it's dishonest as frick
>It insist upon itself:the post
>also i love to hear my voice and sniff my farts: the post
/thread
>he fell for the fake humble meme
i suppose it's called forced soul
forced kino
The Owlboy fallacy. No matter how good your screenshots and assets look, it actually has to be a fricking game at some point.
It's not like Owlboy was a huge failure either, but it definitely didn't live up to the hype it once had.
combining flight and metroidvania structure is really weird, ngl
That's just the reverse castle from SOTN
It has infinitely more gameplay than homosexualale
doesn't eastward suck ass?
It's pretty decent, but the pacing during the midgame is really bad and I didn't like the arc (the train) between the big main city and the snowy city.
OP's right, don't even have a clue what the left game is.
Right is plain better. Eastward isn't neither as fun nor as interesting as Undertale. I wouldn't say its bad, but the gameplay is dull, the plot predictable and the pacing is poor - by the time you're done you think 'thank frick' rather than any sort of catharsis or longing for another playthrough. I guarantee barely anyone would have played it if there wasn't a cute e-girl.
>Right is plain better
It really isn't, I preferred its safe plain predictability to Undertale's constant obnoxiousness and forced quirkiness, felt like if a pick-me was a game.
breasts or gtfo
yes but left game ducking sucked to play
it might have looked good but everything else is subpar
i don’t know the game on the right so i don’t have an opinion about
it's babby's first bullet hell with a visual and humour style expressly designed for fans of earthbound who also never played earthbound
It's more popular and better than Earthbound :^)
I uninstalled it when I saw there was a character named mason.
Video games are not art, and do not survive on their artistic merit. They are toys for children. Undertale is a toy that makes grown autistic men and little kids squeal and clap their hands, so it is successful.
This is it. This is the REAL reason why it's so successful.
>Name one reason why indie devs should put effort into their games instead of just meme-maxxing
They tried to and failed miserably. You might look down on Undertale's story, characters, gameplay, music, humor but the world didn't, it resonated with people. When people see something they dislike being successful, they think it is easy to replicate, it's not.
So, memes > effort?
>So, memes > effort?
Nah, it's easy. You should whip up a quick Undertale clone over the weekend and make a few million.
Feels > everything
I’m a robot too, I don’t get it, but them the bricks.
Sex>feels
Coombait is probably the highest ratio of money to effort
True. I’m blown away by few patreon sex games there are. Someone pointed to one thats shit, incomplete, and hadn’t been updated in a year making 55k a month.
effort isn't worth anything on its own. you can put a lot of effort into jacking off and you still won't get rich
marx btfo
Undertale succeeded because it has a premade fanbase that immediately shifted to it.
most people miss the point of mother games. they weren't just weird for the sake of being weird. they had unique worlds with unique stories to tell. they felt authentic with their quirkiness. nothing felt weird or out of place in the mother games despite being weird and out of place in theory.
That's often the case when something truly original comes out, lots of copycats come out of the woodwork and try to copy the formula only to fail. It was like when Pulp Fiction came out in the 90s and there was a period of about five years where every would be indie director was coming out with shitty clones, people almost always miss what makes the original work.
what are some instances where people don't miss the point when making clones?
it was mostly easy but if you go the genocide route, it has some challenge. undine is pretty hard and i couldn't beat sans.
>what are some instances where people don't miss the point when making clones?
Undertale.
This.
Undertale isn’t even really a clone though. Toby has openly listed off dozens of classic games that inspired him but Earthbound is the only one people mention because it’s the only game the homosexuals on this board know.
Earthbound is obviously the biggest inspiration, and his other inspirations like SMT or FF6 are completely surface level and not worth discussing.
i think undertale was alright but i thought it was trying too hard to be quirky.
some of it was cool though. i really liked the lab area. it felt creepy. and it has its own spin on things like sparing monsters, which it ties into both the story and gameplay really well.
and it feels like its own thing, not necessarliy like an earthbound clone. some games feel like they're trying too hard to be earthbound. citizens of earth comes to mind. it's just a lot of earthbound references, which can be fun sometimes but when something goes really heavy on them, i wonder why i wouldn't just go play the thing it's referencing instead.
i think the reason why undertale works is that it feels like its own thing, which i mention above. it took influence without just feeling like a poor man's earthbouond. but i do think it tries to hard to be weird at times.
>what are some instances where people don't miss the point when making clones?
From the Tarantino example I listed I'd say Guy Ritchie works. He clearly was inspired by Tarantino and copies his freeflow dialogue but Lock Stock and Snatch both manage to be their own thing.
As for Earthbound, I'd say unironically Undertale even though I'm not a huge fan of the game personally. Clearly it clicked with some people.
It's the same with every art form, every now and then there's a legit great thing that happens to combine right things at the right time and is followed by a decade of copycats.
And Undertale is not one of those
Eastward sold really well. It ain't obscure.
I've played left to finish but not the right, funnily enough.
Good thing was successful while bad thing wasn't?! What the frick? You're right. Why try doing anything if only GOOD products sell? Might as well cut my testicles off.
>Good thing was successful while bad thing wasn't
We're talking about the opposite ITT
Nope.
Yep.
>This entire thread
Undertale exploded out of control because of the massive following Homestuck generated and the massive amount of them who were already aware of Toby Fox before he even had the inkling of making a game. Add that with a vast amount of hype due to the well-formed demo years before launch and the generally solid presentation and it's a no-brainer that Undertale would garner more attention.
Eastward is the first project by an indie developer that literally nobody knows. It's also not a financial failure in any way, as it's still being brought up constantly in indie game spaces. The fact that it didn't eclipse Homestuck while having no form of social propellant is the way things logically should have happened, but on Ganker, where logic apparently doesn't exist, this is somehow a failure on the part of Eastward.
I like to think great unknown games like Celeste or hollow knight rise to the top.
Hollow Knight is a great game, Celeste is a mediocre kaizo platformer that sold well because it advertised itself as a game for depressed homosexuals. I'll give it this, it knew its audience at least.
Celeste is a soulful masterpiece and you know it.
nta but he's right
The actual gameplay of Celeste is bog standard insta-death platforming with tons of spikes everywhere, it's incredibly basic and boring. If it didn't have that particular brand of ugly art style and the dumb muh depression story then no one would know it existed, but those two factors directly appeal to the tumblr crowd so it got a following.
Why is it that undertale fans think of themselves this way, when in reality they literally shit themselves and cry when you insult their manchild toy game?
>iphone filename (goyslop hardware)
>generic, derivative, repetitive posting style
>loves generic shovelware games
it's a sub-80 IQ brown child alright!
Hey they make the same low-effort thing over and over again, kind of like toby fox
Ooof
Chill out.
the internet was a much better place before it was made accessible to 75 IQ brownoids like you.
Because most of them are kids that don't know how to debate beyond debate bro/breadtube tactics and it's even worse when you factoey in a high speed limited time board like Ganker where the quickest to clapback first wins.
It's funny because homestuck/undertale fans don't look like this (a group of people assembled and having fun, that is)
In reality they are sitting quietly in their moldy bedrooms, watching youtube video essays (they do not actually play videogames) on their mom's laptop
>It's funny because homestuck/undertale fans don't look like this
The fandom has outlived your favourite game.
Dilate, Troon.
it's the same shit with pokemon fans.
homosexuals know the games are trash but have to convince themselves it is actually a masterpiece.
the lengths "gamers" these days go, just to play mediocre slop.
Name a single fan of literally anything in the world that doesn't seethe when someone insults their thing.
You can't, that's why they're called fanatics cus they're fricking stupid, and every single popular thing in the world has them.
But it's expected of someone who enjoyes anime to have such low iq takes.
>says Celeste is a masterpiece
>is unable to back that statement up when challenged
Okay then.
I hate it but only because games like Super Meat Boy shit on it in every conceivable way and are overlooked. It's literally just because of trannies being some of the most autistic people on the planet that it got meme'd into popularity. 1001 Spikes is better in almost every way but trannies will ignore it because the main character isn't hiding pills in the background that they autistically believe are troony hormones (instead of anti depressants as was obviously the original intent).
Haven't played 1001 Spikes but I'll agree that Super Meat Boy is a much more enjoyable game than Celeste. The platforming in SMB just felt so much better and the game itself was actually pretty funny and not a slog like Celeste was.
Celeste is just Super Meat Boy for transsexuals.
Why do people get so hopping mad at the mere insinuation that a game they stan isn’t doing as well irl as it is in their head canon?
Do you feel that the game reflects your values and aesthetic choices and rejection of the game is, by extension, a direct rejection of you?
It’s just a game, anon.
I mean, I could ask the same about you giving a shit about why they give a shit, so...
Your reluctance to answer is unusual
Are you that anon? Does it upset you when I question your motives?
If you enjoy a game, why do you need others to sanction your choice over and over?
Why do their opinions matter? And if they don’t, why do you waste so much time and emotional energy telling them that they don’t matter?
No I'm not him, but if I had to fashion a guess as to why they give a shit, it's because they're the typical NPC Gankertard hipsters who thinks everything YOU like is shit while everything THEY like isn't, so they b***h or gloat about it to mask their insecurity over you while everyone continues to gobble up what they like regardless.
I knew nothing about Undertale and even less about Homestuck when I played the game at the age of 22, and I loved every second of it, it resonated as a title that was made up of many other older games I liked. I was smitten with the game, even though I am much more critical of it now.
I am not sure Homestuck is such a huge factor of why people loved the game so much.
>I am not sure Homestuck is such a huge factor of why people loved the game so much.
The Homestuck point is about that fandom spreading the word about the game and saving it from the fate that befalls 99.9999% indie games without a marketing budget
The Homestuck finger pointing is just a massive cope by miserable c**ts who can’t understand why Undertale resonates with so many people and just lay it all on Homestuck so they can tell themselves that “they get it”.
Undertale is just Earthbound for furgays.
You have absolutely no reading comprehension dude. There are hundreds of games you haven’t played that you would probably love, the reason you played Undertale in the first place is because the Homestuck community gave the game a large initial fanbase to then snowball off of when popular youtubers played the game, finally leading to you becoming aware of the game and then giving it a shot, that’s what that anon’s point was.
No, the reason I played the game was because I saw it on the Steam store page around the time of release, thought the screenshots looked interesting and bought it on a whim without even reading the description. I don't watch streamers either and am unaware of 95% of them.
Crazy how you managed to see it on Steam in the 12 seconds it was visible before being buried by all the other new releases
I guess. Maybe Steam recommended it to me or something, I don't remember. I just looked in the store and bought it. I am really happy I went through it blind, one of my most cherished gaming memories, and it was right after I finished MGSV as well. What a month that was.
You might be trans. Not saying that to be mean or anything but I think a little soulsearching is in order. Hope you find yourself and break out of your egg.
This homosexual uses the word “smitten” and your diagnosis is that he “might” be a troony?
Trannies have an easily identifiable lilt in their speech, even when it’s written.
Some combination of dark academia and anachronistic Jane Austen mixed into everyday speech.
It’s why they always give themselves troony names like Gwenwyn
ok troony
Sorry I used a word for emphasis anon, I'll try to keep it simple next time.
> It’s why they always give themselves troony names like Gwenwyn
kek I don’t know if your root cause analysis is correct but the troony name shit is definitely a thing.
>Some combination of dark academia and anachronistic Jane Austen mixed into everyday speech.
Is that why I imagine some smug tumblr queer with fake, thick-rimmed glasses anytime I read a post like that? It's like some "Chicken Soup for the Soul" type homosexualry.
Damn
Trannies can’t even pass on an anonymous image board
they can't pass anywhere
They literally cannot and it's frightening how open they are about it on Ganker and I refuse to believe it's 99% ironic. The other day a trannilator in a Baten Kaitos Remaster thread kept firing pot shots and labelling everyone a /misc/tard who didn't agree with them when it started losing an argument, like you see Zoomers do all the time when they get called out with the typical "Nooo this csn't be happeneing omg such a travesty help me chudbros" exaggerations. It's maddening how obnoxious mental they are.
>Baten Kaitos Remaster thread
damn, i missed out on a bate-
>a troony was having a schizo meltdown in it
oh... guess i didn't miss out on anything then
archive link? it's rare to see an actual troony wander in and defend /misc/-bait, all I ever get to see is /misc/tards engaging in the same tactics when they get called out on their thinly veiled bait
I’m well aware of the meaning of the word “smitten” but it’s definitely an effeminate word that normal, healthy men don’t use.
> It’s why they always give themselves troony names like Gwenwyn
I chuckled at this. Reminds me of that LCS video that’s always posted here
Homestuck sort of kickstarted the game in a sense. Toby fox has a sorta small internet following prior to this because he made music for it (as far as webcomics go, if was pretty popular among cretins)
I will say that the pre-hype for Undertale was significantly less than lots of other indies, like Shovel knight but it wasn't nonexistent either
'ate earthbound
'ate zelda combat
'ate goblina tumblr artstyle
simple as
Right is targeting a specific audience (trannies/sissy kids) and knows it’s demographic
Memes and shilling > quality
Every time
The real answer is that Eastward's story and characters are mediocre. Those are the things people get attached to and discuss after finishing the game.
Eastward's might be mediocre but Undertale's are aggressively shit
>Eastward's might be mediocre but Undertale's are aggressively shit
Then why are they insanely more popular?
Because gamers love memes and have shit taste?
>Because gamers love memes and have shit taste?
Clearly they have great tastes since Undertale is so popular. Also meme's are just people spreading around content they like, attempting to use that as a derogatory is moronic.
If you're too stupid to understand what meme means in that context, you're too stupid to talk about video games on the internet.
>If you're too stupid to understand what meme means in that context, you're too stupid to talk about video games on the internet.
If you dismiss everything people love as memes then you're too stupid to talk about video games on the internet.
Be quiet, troony.
If you dismiss everything people love as memes then you're too stupid to talk about video games on the internet.
see
If you dismiss everything people love as memes then you're too stupid to talk about video games on the internet.
see
>since Undertale is so popular
Clearly this is evidence to the contrary
Eastward is a nothingburger of a game
Sometimes less is more? What the frick is going on here?! Is the character in the middle a boy or a girl? That ugly ass mug screams a boy, but gameplay suggests otherwise. I'm not sure but this just screams le quirky earthbound inspired game #815.
But enough about undertale
this cover art is hideous, i can make something ten times better than this, why the frick this used this crap, they had way better looking stuff already.
People wanted goat mommy more than that thing.
looks ai generated and made in china
The opposite is the case, they wanted a westernized non-anime cover for the western audience so they fell for the Tumblr meme and got a western artist to do the western cover. It's pretty much the MegaMan cover situation all over again but with modern sensibilities.
The left one may suck but I'm still not playing tumblrtale or troonyrune
Effort goes beyond putting background noise on your pixelart
Undertale filters artlets hard. They weren't alive for Y2K internet aesthetics and think all pixel art needs extremely detailed shading and aggressive post-processing.
Ah another anon that missed the space station train and spent early years on byond playing awful anime games.
I genuinely miss mitadake high so much
God, that screenshot is giving me the cringe. The writing in Undertale was the worst garbage I've ever had the misfortune to read. The constant forced quirkiness "uhmm, uhh,...,*brap*, s-l-o-w-t-e-x-t" makes it so obvious this was written by an actual autistic person.
Essentially, anons are saying Umineko took no effort to create, just because Ryukishi07 can't draw for shit.
Undertale is closer to RPGmaker cult games like Space Funeral, OFF, One-Shot and Ib.
It was originally envisioned to be a short 2 hour game like the indies mentioned above but then it just got bigger and bigger while the “indie freeware” vibe remained.
>left: has lezzers in it
>right: tumblrshit memegame
You realize you can never play either and live a perfectly happy life, right?
Unironically
Soulless vs soul
>ctrl+F: "homestuck"
>4 results.
Well a few of you guys have some sense.
>dude just have a humongus in-built fanbase from working on fricking homestuck and having your starmen.net buddies shill for you
wow great... fricking advice i'll get right on it. you fricking c**t
While both of those communities are full of turbo-autists, it would take an actual moron to believe they were such good marketers that they pushed Undertale into popularity. Literally 99%+ of Undertale fans would look at you confused and say "starmen dot wuh? Home-what?" Let alone say "Oh yeah, I know the Halloween hack! It says homosexual in it!" It's actually a blessing for Toby that normies don't know his starmen.net roots.
If you think having a built-in fanbase doesn't matter, you don't know anything about the world.
>H-H-Homestuck
Ask any Undertale fan if they’ve read Homestuck and most of them will say no.
Undertale's OST alone makes it automatically better than 99.9% of indieshit by virtue of it being kino and incredibly high quality
You can disagree but it's the truth, it takes 30 minutes to download all the tools to make Megalovania or Bergentrückung but you'll never be able to do it in a lifetime.
>Megalovania or Bergentrückung
Lmao I just googled these and they're generic chiptune garbage
You can find 100000 songs that sound identical
See ? You're coping HARD my man. You can disagree with reality, doesn't make it any less true that Undertake has a great score that's famous. Your not being able to grasp music is just sad. Do make a tune if it's so easy kek
I think I could do this
https://streamja.com/GoR0Z
And? You are daring to say that the games we are discussing are influenced by other games?
>"Undertale's OST is legendary it's incredibly high quality there's nothing else like it"
>actually it's just a mixtape of various existing melodies rendered in retro soundfonts
>"waaah that's just how music works everyone else does it's not fair stop pointing this out!!!"
If you can't see (or hear in this case) anything with a song beyond the main melody, then I'm afraid you are musically illiterate.
The point is that Toby's music is nothing special, it's just that zoomers were raised on generic orchestra shit so anything with a melody is mindblowing to them, when shit like that used to be standard in all games. The music in Undertale would be thought of as average in the 90s.
>existing melodies
There's only so many notes unless you get into microtonal turboautism. Nothing Toby did is plagiarism; I'd argue most of it doesn't even really count as homage. It's just minor influences bleeding through. Koji Kondo's Jazz inspirations in his work on Mario are more blatant than anything on Toby's work:
And that's perfectly fine because human beings use the things they like. It's no different from an artist using a pose they saw another artist use because they thought it looked cool, or an animator doing the Milt Kahl head swaggle.
Also, regarding soundfonts, 90% of old retro soundfonts are just recorded samples from old Roland/Yamaha keyboards. (A bit off-topic, but the original Windows general MIDI samples on most computers are actually just ripped straight from a Roland SC-55 synth, so you could argue nearly every game using a MIDI-based audio playback method is just using the same synth soundfont.)
There's actually groups on the internet dedicated to finding the original samples and using them to produce remastered tracks, like the Church of Kondo.
https://youtube.com/@ChurchofKondoh
Sticking with the art analogy, using a similar soundfont would be like using a color palette.
NTA, but I guess it's time to post this again
https://streamja.com/gL6aw
You don't need to post it again. I've already seen it, and I'm telling you it's not that ridiculous. The most blatant ones are probably "Oh! True Love/Oh! Dungeon" (which is almost certainly a direct parody of the scenes from Final Fantasy it's being compared against) and "Dating Start!" (which is also probably a deliberate parody, given the usage of the same soundfont) Everything else is a massive stretch— the fricking Cho Ren Sha 68k comparison alone made me laugh my ass off because I can't even begin to fathom the line of logic of the dude who made it if he was trying to imply what most of the people who spam it on this stupid board are trying to imply with it.
Jungle Kicking is the best CRS68K song, as an aside
Ignoring how blatant the Kirby one is exposes you as a shitposter
If you think that kirby one is a "ripoff", you need to get your ears checked. The only part it resembles is the rising bit of the melody during the reverb-heavy section. The lowering part isn't even close to the same, and everything surrounding the similar sections between the two is completely different altogether.
The Megalovania and Spear of Justice ones are massive stretches unless you are completely and utterly tone-deaf.
Yeah you're just shitposting, you'd find a way to say Ice Ice Baby isn't a ripoff of Under Pressure had Toby composed it
>The Megalovania and Spear of Justice ones are massive stretches unless you are completely and utterly tone-deaf.
maybe you're the one who is tone-deaf, ever considered that?
Also worth mentioning is that the section resembling Block Ball comes from the "hopes and dreams" melody, and again, there's absolutely nothing similar between those two songs aside from a short handful of notes that don't even comprise more than a bar at most.
I'm not going to act like there's no chance of influence being present here, I'm not that moronic. I'm just saying that it's not a "ripoff".
>Ice Ice Baby isn't a ripoff of Under Pressure
It's quite literally not. Ice Ice Baby uses a sample of Under Pressure to evoke a completely different feeling to Under Pressure, which is why sampling is generally legal to begin with; it's transformative. Thing is, we're not even talking about sampling, here. I don't think there's any direct usage of sampling in Undertale's OST beyond the obvious (Toby using Soundfonts from older games).
I'm not saying it's anything special. It's pretty good, and Toby's usage of Leitmotif is probably the only time I've seen an indie dev be that aggressive about reusing melodies without it becoming obnoxious, but it's not SSS++ ELDER GOD TIER or anything. That being said—
>The music in Undertale would be thought of as average in the 90s.
hahahahaha frick no
Your memory is poisoned by the "classics". The majority of the SNES library had farty, terrible trumpets and overly compressed samples that sounded like complete shit, and the majority of Genesis games had screechy earrape abominations unto God produced from that Yamaha FM Synth because only Jap Arcade devs seemed to know how to make good use of the fricking thing. 1st party Nintendo titles (and Square) generally making good use of what they had does not raise the bar for "Average" in the 90s that high.
>plagiarism doesn't exist
But it does anon
Where did I say Plagiarism doesn't exist? It absolutely does, but nothing Toby has made (so far) qualifies for Plagiarism.
Sampling is not the same as plagiarism, though plagiarism can involve sampling.
hurr durr one stretch makes the whole thing a stretch
listen to the fricking megalovania one, spear of justice one, kirby one. It's all blatant unless you have no music ear whatsoever
>Koji Kondo's Jazz inspirations in his work on Mario are more blatant than anything on Toby's work
Holy shit you're delusional, the Kirby one is 1:1 identical, the SpongeBob one was basically admitted by Toby, Touhou and SMT ones are highly probable given the fact they're Toby's inspirations etc
>Sticking with the art analogy, using a similar soundfont would be like using a color palette.
So an unoriginal hack move? BOF4 has some of the best art in a game ever and it owes a lot of it to its original color palette, unintentionally creating the sameish palette is one thing but using the same sound font as an old game and being inspired by that game's music to create a similar track in a similar context in your game is hacky as frick, basically "royalty free iconic music recreation" tier.
WHATTTTT the fUCCKKK rayman was inspired by marIOOOOO?
>no no no, you see, Undertale's music isn't good because it sounds similar to these songs
>What? No, I don't know anything about music production
>nearly 3:1 reply-poster ratio
yep i'm thinking threadKINO
>left
>generic FF6 clone
>visually indistinguishable from your average RPG Maker title
>probably has an uninteresting, overly complex world with political intrigue and deep nuanced characters (read: boring nerd shit)
>gameplay is probably predictably slow tactical shit
>right
>colorful world filled with zany characters that a child can draw (this is important)
>good music
>touhou lite battle system
Why exactly is it a surprise that 1 flops and 2 succeeds? Neither has the same target audience. UT and DT have references to millenial SNES RPGs but tries to be its own thing.
Whatever game that is on the left tries to be a SNES RPG but OH SO DARK, SO COMPLEX FOR ADULTS. It's a chud game. No different from Yiik in that regard.
You can spend as long as you like making your dream JRPG, but if the end result is uninspired it's uninspired. Remember, if you want your game to succeed, do not, I repeat DO NOT make your characters generic JRPG humans with complex clothes and long flowing locks. It NEEDS to be something a kid can draw. There's a reason Kirby/Pikachu/Megaman are popular and memorable. A kid can draw Pikachu in his schoolbooks. You think a kid can draw fricking Edgar or Terra in his schoolbooks? Come on now. Simpler is always better but good luck getting that through the head of chuds who think they have it all figured out
Eastward isn't even an RPG (although it has a separate JRPG minigame), it's all real-time combat. It's basically Zelda.
Undertale fans not playing games but still talking about them? No way!
Name one other game that looks like Eastward
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap which is very clearly one of the games Eastward cribbed from.
Not even close
If you really believe that name some visual features that they share
Moonstone island came out like yesterday. There's a similar game coming out every week lmao. Unless you're being autistic about the game using the same sprites as Eastward, that game has generic smooth-ish lean but dense 2d art that's been popular since the post-Stardew Valley bubble of comfy indie 2d games.
I played the moonstone demo. Dropped it and wrote it off immediately upon meeting my first NPC, who was le smart black scienceperson with gender illness pronouns.
You are genuinely blind
>I am mentally a child
Yeah, that's what we've been saying
Left is a boring wannabe earthbound with Zelda gameplay and a stupid story, that's why no one cares about it.
All right, I haven't played Eastward, so answer me this: Does it lean on the medium at all? Undertale is not remotely unique in leaning on the medium or moralizing for the pacifist option or anything, but part of the reason it exploded in popularity was that it played with being a video game in a way that its fans hadn't really seen before. If Eastward doesn't have anything like that, then they're not even really comparable in terms of success.
Also, Eastward is getting DLC apparently, so it may well find new popularity with that release. There's this weird tendency to act like this very moment is the end of history and that all opinions are set in stone from this moment on but that's really not true. Lots of things fade for a few years and then reemerge.
Eastward isn't unique at all sadly. They leaned heavily on selling the game as an atmospheric Celeste/Ghibli-like experience of an adventure game, but it fell kinda flat and they're still trying to ride that wave to attract new audience.
No it was made by soulless bug people, it has nothing to say and nothing about it is impressive or good other than its visuals.
its ws on gamepass and I played it theres like 0 difficulty
Oneshot is better than both of them.
Onesovl
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OneShot is actually a troony game. As in the main dev is a troony who cremated his own balls on camera. Sadly the video was privated so this link doesn't work
It's literally just music
Music is the secret sauce to games
Also the color palette on the left has a negative emotional aura and mixing shaders with pixelart will ALWAYS be ugly
friendly reminder that nearly 100% of undertale fans are sub-12yo
So OP is spurging out this hard over a silly kids game being popular?
oh no no no no no undergays what's our response?
The "under" in undertale stands for underage
Most fans of the Mother series were japanese kids in the 90s and early 00’s playing their Nintendo.
That Toby managed to reach beyond his own demographic of Earthbound obsessed 90s kids to a whole new generation experiencing the wonder and strangeness of the world
>ctrl-F Fangamer
I acknowledge Undertale is a good game, not my kind of game, but it has strength in its meta, well-manufactured and self-aware "sincerity"
But being personal friends with the people at Fangamer/Starmen gave him the easy in to marketing, merch, publicity stunts, industry connections, and guerilla advertising like this thread. Then the memery carries it the rest of the way.
Also Eastward just kind of sucked and was made by chineses. If it was good people would've found out.
>Spoiler
Is that REALLY the case considering its popularity? As if this is some stealth attempt to keep it relevant in people's minds?
Undertale is unironically above Ganker.
It doesn’t need us.
>It doesn’t need us.
Not anymore that it, like all games Ganker turned on once they got popular.
Based. Fangamer/starmen.net have been using their insider connections to massively shill undertale from the very beginning by getting shill articles and industry insiders to push it.
Literally yes. Toby Fox has dropped off the face of the earth outside of his already pre-established fandom, that's why he has to parasitically worm himself into other creators' projects to keep himself relevant. No one is interested in deltarune anymore.
Hussie, Zoe Quinn, Nintendo of America, Reid Young.
>Hussie
Hussie is not an insider in any sense of the word what fricking crack cocaine are you smoking
The dude got $1mil to make his game and proceeded to get assraped by a studio that left him with a handful of tree assets before bailing.
>Zoe Quinn
Toby had absolutely no connection to Zoe Quinn.
>Nintendo of America
Toby had absolutely no connection to NoA before Undertale got big enough to warrant console releases and international translation from companies like 8-4.
>Reid Young
This is the one plausible option, but as far as I can tell Fangamer had very little association with Undertale until well after the popularity train started to begin with. Hell, Fangamer itself wasn't that big until Undertale drove a shitton of traffic their way. IIRC the first Undertale merch launches crashed their servers like twice.
Make no mistake, I don't consider Undertale to be anything particularly good, but to insinuate that it's "low effort" or that Toby had some nebulous "industry connections" when he was literally a basement-dwelling NEET is just absurd.
>Hussie
Yeah no shit, of course he's connected to the guy he's been making music for, and also used his place to make his game
>Zoe Quinn
lol
>Nintendo of America
Ah yes, I'm sure Nintendo helped Toby with popularizing Undertale despite his only other previous work in making games is an edgy romhack of Earthbound
>Reid Young
I had to Google who the guy is, and apparently he's the cofounder of Fangamer. I don't know how Fangamer helped Toby other than making merch and physical releases of Undertale. The game needs to be popular first in order for the merch to be sold
>Reid Young
Toby helped Fangamer, not the other way around.
Wrong. Reid Young made undertale a success to lift up fangamer
Proof?
both games about depression by the way
Who gets depressed in Undertale?
Half the characters ? You can't be serious...
Sans.
Flowey, Toriel, Sans, Alphys and Asgore all go through some state of depression in the narrative, and that's just major characters.
You're moronic/American
Me because the game sucks so bar
>left
Has to build itself up from zero, names with no internet history.
>right
Already had the foundations of both MOTHER and Homestuck fandoms supporting it due to the creator's acclaim in both, quickly acquired support from furries due to the conscious decision to feature a goat MILF in the game's demo.
ITT: teens with debilitating autism (they will not reproduce)
>undertale
>oneshot
>eastward
Jesus Christ this place used to be all thirdie hispanics but now it’s all trannies.
What caused this shift?
the implementation of the dedicated troony board on Ganker, mostly.
these are californian and texan teen Hispanic trannies
so close enough
Globalization, unironically.
Also, hispanics or not, most gamers were always on the spectrum and now that trannies are accepted in western countries (even celebrated and encouraged) were seeing that massive Venn overlap between autists and troons
Of course you're resorting to shitposting after being exposed for not playing the game you were shitting on.
meant for
How is that shitposting? Leveling up and getting bigger numbers is one of the core mechanics in rpgs. It shows character progression via game mechanics and is actively being punished in Undertale.
Are you suggesting the game should be played as a glorified VN?
>Game gives you another way to beat the fights that doesn't involve killing the enemies you encounter
>NO YOU DIDN'T BEAT THE GAME!
Not every turn based RPG has to be like Dragon Quest.
>Are you suggesting the game should be played as a glorified VN?
Ah yes, visual novels, my favorite genre where you play a bullet hell minigame for every character you encounter.
For your information, Shin Megami Tensei series also does a similar thing where you can win the battles by talking to your enemies where they can either leave you alone or join you. Do you also think it's a glorified VN too?
>it's not a VN because it has this one minigame
lol ok
>muh tranime rpg
ah, your disabled, carry on then
>says he's not shitposting
>proceeds to shitpost again
Sasuga, anon-kun.
You ran out of arguments, so I'm done here.
>tfw I used to give the hispanics and ESLs a hard time
I wish they’d come back and wash away the degenerate trannies
troony board
troony game
back to your containment board
>back to your containment board
He says to me outside
>troon containment
>not Ganker
fake news
Seed oils
what is it about all three of these games that clearly designate them as troony games?
None of the games have trannies in them
Toby Fox isn't a troony
Sure there are troony fans but that doesn't impact gameplay
I get that after a few iterations, the fanbase starts to yank on the steering wheel a bit but these are all one offs
Undertale is a love letter to the LGBT community
yes but what about it makes it so?
is it troony shibboleths as discussed here?
Are there design elements like the calarts anime faces?
I know there are things that wink at the troony community that normal people miss like spidergwen's skrillex haircut and tooth gap but which of these elements exist in undertale?
Undyne and Alphys are relatively trans-coded in different ways (Undyne is strong and lithe, Alphys has an androgynous fatbody and loves anime). Frisk is a blank slate to project any amount of illnesses upon, Metaton is metrosexual, which has been swept up into the umbrella of trans-projection as well.
>trans-coded
Oh shut the hell up. They are just lesbians. Don't act like "bull dykes" with shave cuts and gym memberships aren't a thing. Chemical imbalance is probably a contributing factor to homosexuality in the first place.
>Oh
go back to X
>twitter owns "oh" now
You are fricking pathetic with your reaches.
I know what they are supposed to be, but these things have all been sweeped up into the trans umbrella.
the undyne/alphys thing makes a ton of sense actually
good answer
Multiple confirmed gay, lesbian, non-binary, and trans/transvestite characters
Trannies have the same flavor of mental illness as furries, both are hypersexuals with impossible endgoals, lots of overlap.
>Jesus Christ this place used to be all thirdie hispanics but now it’s all trannies
estrogen cant be filtered from our watersupply.
and once a certain threshold of estrogen in a man's body has been reached, the body will self-replenish more estrogen when afterwards for any reason the amount of estrogen lowers below pre-ingested values.
a modern age man's cum consists of about 40% of female ''squirting'' pussyjuice ejaculate.
>muh brown people,
the ratio of estrogen overload is the same across all men of all races equal.
T: a lab assistant.
>T: a lab assistant.
Imagine bragging about being a fricking entry level mook
Would you be interested in playing a game in a sort of similar vein, but taking place in the afterlife/limbo (actually it's beforelife for everyone except the MC)? Asking for a friend.
sure
Thank you, my friend will do his best.
Back then, when Undertale was fresh from the oven, there were countless threads, Gankertards were all over it, they LOVE it. Eventually, game becomes very popular (oh no;_;) and contrarianism kicked in.
Undertale has better and more engaging gameplay tho so
Does the game have sans the friggin skeleton?
Yes. No. V
No? Then it's lamosauce.
eastward is one of my favorite games of all time
i loved it
it was wonderful
undertale is simple and also great in different ways
art is subjective anon, indie devs should continue making what they like
eastward is also getting an expansion
Forced soul vs true soul
Why did the forced soul game succeed then, while the true soul failed?
They both look like soulless leftist goyslop but I suppose you have a point
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wtf how did you post a reply with no text?
Both games are troony garbage but undertake at least tried to do something different by making game mechanics into an important plot point.
Also, while the facial animations from the dialogue boxes of undertale have that annoying American faux anime troony feel to it (Undyne‘s expression here could have been animated by the same people who did the new She Ra), the map graphics are pretty comfy.
They shouldn't. And the mouth breathers that enjoyed undertale will continue to kill a large portion of gaming for many years to come.
Roughly 1/10th of the replies in this thread has the word troony in it.
You Black folk are like a broken record.
>undertale tale bad
>why
>uhh uhhhh uhhhh um troony
Riveting stuff fellas
Gameplay has no difficulty until the final bosses. Gameplay with no challenge means there's no satisfaction. So the satisfaction comes from elsewhere. Those are the spikes of dopamine from every randumb funny meme deposited into nearly every social interaction in the game. It's a dripfeed of barely captivating narrative and jokes. If you happen to be laughing, you're more likely to enjoy yourself.
Just like everything else. If a person makes you life, you probably like them more. If television show makes you laugh, you probably watch it more often. If the game makes you laugh, you probably like the game.
But the game itself is awful. Two exciting bosses aren't enough justification for joke puzzles posing as player-game interaction and a "pacifist" gimmick.
undertale was successful because of the music
also for the record, the objective truth is that music is the most important part of any videogame's success - a game with bad music will do poorly, meanwhile a game with terrible gameplay but good music will still succeed
Sekiro doesn't have a single memorable track yet it was still beloved. It even filtered journos so I'd consider it a big win.
FNAF 1 has no soundtrack
False
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Left looks like shit. Right looks like shit. Difference between those two? Undertale hit critical mass and people wouldn't shut the frick up about it so I eventually tried it out.
I do not get it, this is so gay, why would you shitpost about a game you do not even play?
Do eople forget that Undertale was made by a single dude who had to write the story, program the game AND compose the music? The graphics do look like shit but it took much more effort to make the game as a whole than the left one.
Who fricking cares?
Op cares since he is sayimg that undertale took no effort.
You're right. I'm sorry.
To be fair, he had another person do character designs and battle sprites, but yeah, he still did all of the heavy work by himself
While living in Hussie's basement
And now that he's broken loose, really has the world at his fingertips, he makes... an alternate universe story. One of THE LAZIEST forms of storytelling known to man, completely relying on memberberry cameos planted by the first game (but that's NOOOOT THE ASGORE YOU MIGHT REMEMBERRRR :OOO) or direct comparisons of the new characters (wow Clancer is so wacky, just like Papyrus!)
If you don't mind crushing your soul for profit, there isn't a reason. But bending over for furries will eventually have you taking a long, hard look in the mirror and contemplating biting down on that pistol in your drawer.
>But bending over for furries will eventually have you taking a long, hard look in the mirror and contemplating biting down on that pistol in your drawer.
Scott Cawthon is a hardcore Christian who used to make lot of Christian games and movies, and yet he seemed pretty happy with the FNAF franchise despite spawning endless amount of degeneracy (which is something to be expected with literally any work involves furries).
He has to be phoning it in a bit with the sheer volume of near-identical sequels, and I dunno with the later titles but it seems like he keeps any whiff of sexualization of his characters out of the actual canon material too so he's not really cow-towing to the fandom more just drip-feeding his funny lore, Toby already opened the floodgates right off the bat with fursona cameos and melodramatic lesbian relationships.
Plenty, because he came aboard after Homestuck already fell to the wayside for the most part and filled the void for one of the most awful fanbases ever who were already galvanized by the influence they exerted over Hussie.
>filled the void for one of the most awful fanbases
is undertale like homestuck? i never read it.
Not exactly, but it scratches a similar itch, especially with the AU AUtism that quickly took it over.
Toby? Toby Fox? Is that you?
Toby, I can't and won't make this any simpler for you.
You failed at life. You failed. When one thinks of what man is capable of, pushing himself to the limits physically, mentally and emotionally to achieve heights of success never before mentioned, your name will not be whispered in the same, reverent fashion that others have.
Nobody will remember Toby Fox. You aren't even a header or a footer in the career of someone else. You are nobody. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
In short, you are an enormous failure.
Toby, being that you're about 31 years old and your brain has probably hard-wired itself to accept such failures by now and write off such criticism by being "flippant", really suggests that you've passed beyond the proverbial breaking-point. There's no turning back. This is your career, this is what defines you and this is what you'll defend to the end.
The abhorrent failure that is Deltarune, Toby Fox, that is your legacy.
Maybe I'm over-reaching, however. Who knows? People CAN change. Maybe you'll read this, Toby, and think long and hard about what a wasteful life you've led. Maybe you'll think, "wow. It's incredible just how abysmal and pathetic I really AM!" Maybe you'll lift some weights in the morning. Maybe you'll take a self-help class.
Maybe in a couple of years, Toby, you'll have learned from this failure. I doubt it, though.
I genuinely doubt it.
Now excuse me, I have to work on Hiveswap Act 3. My accountant estimates over sixty dollars in sales.
Does Eastward ever get good? It's very pretty, but I don't like playing it, or it's writing about 2 hours in
I guess the answer is "no".
No, the dialogue almost always drags on and on because its just dry
>left
>obscure and forgotten immediately
you say this but also don't even bother naming the game on the left. i'm gonna assume its eastward based on the other posts but this thread is fricking moronic either way
>you say this but also don't even bother naming the game on the left
Because he forgot the name, because it's forgettable
I only read Homestuck after the fact and didn't interact with any part of the fandom regardless but was Toby Fox even that prominent? He made music along with who knows how many other people and I guess he must have been active in the forums or whatever but how much of a audience was he really getting from all that?
Eastward is shit THOUGH
too long
plot going nowhere
awful worldbuilding
boring characters
>too long
No such thing
>plot going nowhere
>awful worldbuilding
>boring characters
So exactly like Undertale
You forget the part where Toby Fox is backed by the CIA.
Left one story was fricking boring, no amount of graphics or art direction can fix that.
the only thing that matters now in the videogame industry is appealing to the zoomers and marketing it so that the game appears as a 10/10 masterpiece, either through ads or through shills like "content creators"
no one cares if the actual game is crap, as long as several other people are convinced the game is a masterpiece and talking about it
Toby's game isn't low effort by any means unless you're genuinely fricking moronic.
Toby Fox comes from a composer/pianist background with absolutely no experience in art or gamedev. Undertale's largely mediocre art comes from him either drawing sprites himself, refusing to bother artists he knew because he didn't have any confidence in the game succeeding, and in a couple cases actively rejecting better art because it made the terrible stuff he did stick out way worse, producing an undesired effect.
Eastward was developed by Shanghai-based devteam "pixpil", a group of devs who largely seems to have prior experience in either art or gamedev. The director of the game, Tommo Zhou, was even tweeting in 2016 about the middleware tools he made to work on Eastward.
https://twitter.com/tommozhou/status/713299886137970690
It also had the benefit of being published by Chucklefish, thus having access to most of the resources that company has. Chucklefish's development and publishing history consists almost entirely of very well sprited games, and by the time Eastward was until their care they had plenty of experience making and publishing these things.
Undertale is endearing primarily because it's one autist learning gamemaker to make a vessel for his music while he lives in a failing webcomic creator's basement and occasionally throws some money at a friend for art. Its shortcomings in gameplay, story, and visuals are more easily accepted because what you're ultimately getting is a hobby project funded on kickstarter almost entirely because the dude who made it was associated with a popular comic at the time. Eastward is forgettable because it's made by nearly a dozen Chinese dudes with prior gamedev experience and any shortcomics with its gameplay just come off as silly when people that good at what they do probably could've done something better.
https://www.mobygames.com/game/172326/eastward/credits/windows/
The music is also, generally, way lamer.
Undertale was a forced success with massive shilling and insider connections from the very beginning.
>it's a gamegays moron still seething about Ganker rigging their circlejerk poll
lol
i remember a best game ever poll on gamefaqs where everyone was always complaining about the results and saying things like, "chrono cross beating bayonetta encapsulates everything wrong with gamefaqs!"
and the undertalegays and earthboundgays arguing with each other when undertale beat earthbound.
>insider connections
What insider connections could Toby have possibly had? Like, genuinely. The dude was only active on Tumblr, (where his blog's followers were exclusively homestuck fans) the Starmen.net forums, (which were so niche that Toby and the guys who now run Fangamer are the only people of note to even come from there) the MSPA forums (which he's been banned from even though he was part of Homestuck's music team for making an MPreg album to spite the jannies) and Twitter. (which was so laden with his worthless shitposting that when Undertale got big he deleted like 200+ tweets just so people wouldn't see them as being too unprofessional) The dude was practically unknown outside of Homestuckgays, and he wasn't even close to being the only composer who worked on that. Hell, I'd argue Homestuckgays liked George Buzinkai a lot more than him before that guy died.
Making things pretty doesn't mean you have put more effort into the game than other people, you just have mismanaged your resources
There are tons of indies that should be remembered over Undertale, it was only remembered because le quirky "oh no you didn't follow the instructions!" which clicked with a newer generation.
Older generations were left unfazed because they're used to higher quality games, hence the rift.
Eastward's issue is that it played everything very safely gameplay wise and it does not have much that makes it stick out from other indie games outside graphics and don't get me wrong good graphics is nice to have but ultimately graphics don't matter much as long as you can tell what's going on.
I liked Eastward quite a bit, but the story was... pretty bad. It was around the monkey-train filler portion where I realized nothing was ever going to be explained or tied together in a satisfying way, and it wasn't. It had so much potential, but really dropped the ball in the story telling department.
Undertale is gay af. What a disgusting unfun game
I got my friend's sister into Homestuck when she saw me reading it. Fast forward a year or two and she's contributing her voice to fan projects. Fast forward ANOTHER couple years and she calls herself nonbinary and has dyed her hair so many different colors she fried it into a straw-like consistency.
Never again with these poisonous groomy fanbases.
>pajeet hours
most of europe is also ESL and active in these hours, mutt-kun
I've actually no idea what the game on the left is
Eastward
>Right
shit art
fun gameplay
funny jokes (inb4 NOT FUNNY DIDN'T LAFF)
>Left
good art
boring gameplay
unfunny.
One game got massive shilling and the other one didn't.
what are your opinions on indie games starting to charge more? rimworld and factorio kinda ruined it for everybody. now we've got shit like cyberfunk that's easily a $20 game going for $40 + day 1 DLC. hi-fi rush is great, but it's not a $30 game, it's a $20 at the most.
it's really saddening to see indie games starting to go the way of triple a games.
>b-but m-m-m-m-mmuh inflation
things cost more but we aren't making more, so this is a moronic point. smell you later.
>hi-fi rush is great, but it's not a $30 game, it's a $20 at the most.
but it's not a $30 game. you're actually moronic if you think it is.
i paid $60 for DMC3 back in the day and it's got about as much content as that, so yes i'd say it's worth $30
>hifi rush
>indie
homie that game is published by bethesda and microsoft
Isn't Hi-Fi Rush AA?
>wah waaaah why won't you let independent developers charge more and more money? why are you noticing things? you're supposed to shut up and buy it NOW NOW NOW! now stop criticizing these poor indie developers and buy their games no matter what the price!
Yep, now that's a nu-Ganker take if I ever did see one.
Graphics don't matter as much as you want them to.
>left
>forced soul
>right
>honest kinoslop
troonytale is an rpg for "people" who hate rpgs. Specially turn based. So it's very popular with normalgays.
I wonder if the same people that deride AAA games for focusing more on graphics than gameplay are the ones making these threads, or are they at least consistent and are the same people as the 'looks like PS2 game' posters? Or maybe its just one failed indie dev spamming the same thread about pixel art. I suppose we'll never know.
>one reason why indie devs should put effort into their games
if you wanna make the game you always wanted to instead of cashing in, otherwise, anthro furbait is the way