It would be interesting to see metrics on diversity and ESG quotas across developers too. "Let them cook" seems too easy, as if they're providing a convenient explanation to an unconformable truth.
I don't think it matters much. Baldurs Gate is the wokest game outside of Gay porn games on Steam, and yet it's amazing. At the same time, plently of woke games crash and burn.
The amount of ESG quota shit doesn't matter on it's own. It's not that ESG criteria is the problem, it's stock driven businesses that always have to extract maximum profit in a developed industry, so expect every game to fit into this horrible mold that looks like the last mega success. Surface level ESG/broad appeal shit is just a part of that generic feeling, Baldur's Gate triples down on this stuff and feels refreshing, even if you don't like it. Because the gay and black people aren't the real issue, it's a scapegoat.
There's a lot of "progressive" characters in the game. However, true to form, there's remarkably little preventing you from murdering them all in horrible ways if you so desire. So the game's as woke as your swordarm permits.
Actually if you try to do anything in the game besides lick troony buttholes you fail most content because there's actually no way to opt out of the gay content because the gay content IS the game
Yes there is, it's called murdering the characters you don't like. It's a Larian game. Or are you one of those psychopaths who acts like the game "forces" you to do things you don't want because you'll "miss out" on things otherwise?
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If you murderer all the homosexuals and don't take part in the shitty plots which are mostly about homosexuals you miss out on all the content
Bro, a wizard offering to teach you magic is the fantasy equivalent of a guy in an unmarked van offering you candy. If you accepted, that's on you. Also, who the hell doesn't know what "glass him" means?
>Also, who the hell doesn't know what "glass him" means?
Non-Northeastern Americans. Specifically, non-New Englanders. As I'm sure you can tell from the name and the amount of bar fights that happen here, we know what it means to glass a man.
Other than the bit about public companies. That is objectively true, they have a fiduciary duty to make maximum profit, and that does lead to measurable patterns of behaviour.
most games aren't gonna get maximum profit by adding dei esg shit into the game. Look at the games that are successful with the dei shit. They aren't new games they are from widely successful established series that are popular despite the dei and esg bullshit thrown in. No one is playing spiderman 2 to watch some blind niglet spray paint a wall. Yet they put that specifically in to tick checkboxes. Baldur's Gate 3 is from one of the most popular PC franchises. It had a huge marketing budget so huge that they paid reviewers to come to an auditorium to watch a gay man and a bear have sex. Diablo 4 spent upwards of 500 million on marketing alone. These games are failing upward because they have big names attached to them or that they flood the market with info about the game.
What are you talking about? If they weren't complaining about how big the game was in terms of completeness then what? Missing features? What missing features if so?
Early Access is stupid shit. It's practically QA but not paying them over and over for it. I couldn't imagine all the shit games I played in the 80s and 90s getting EA. Only good would be if like, MGS or Twisted Metal 2 or FF7 or shit got EA and playing it before everyone else and only me so I can fricking brag 8 months early and dump info in 1997.
Larian sugar coated the scam by saying they put spyware in the game to log what you were doing (and totally didn't sell your information to the chinese) in order to tailor the experience. Turns out that was a crock of shit, who knew
This, can't believe so many fall for such a scam. Imagine beta testing not for free, but actually paying money for the "privilege"
Larian sugar coated the scam by saying they put spyware in the game to log what you were doing (and totally didn't sell your information to the chinese) in order to tailor the experience. Turns out that was a crock of shit, who knew
morons. If you were smart you'd be all in the Larian early access but you're dumb and instead would let the early access get flooded by reddit and casuals. Larian take their early access seriously and generally balance the game around it.
Duke Nukem Forever actually is proof that a rushed game sucks. It was rushed out the door because Gearbox didn’t want to pay any more money to finish it after 3D Realms sent them the still in progress build.
>Duke Nukem Forever actually is proof that a rushed game sucks
Duke Nukem was worked on for over 14 years in no way was it rushed. Gearbox just made the decision to take what was done, patch a few holes here and there and release it.
It shouldn't be an example of anything though the guy that managed it was just a massive egotistical moron
Means let them take their time making a game.
As a big D&D fan, BG3 is pretty stripped down implementation of the rules though.
For example, you can't ready actions. In the table top, you got one move, one action, one bonus action, and one reaction. They did that fine in BG3, however, in the TT you can ready your actions as well. For example, you can have a fighter move to a choke point that enemies are going to be funneling down and ready your fighter to make their attacks when an enemy comes in range instead of just ending a turn doing nothing but moving.
In BG3 you can't 'hold your turn'. Holding a turn means you skip your turn until later in the initiative order, then act, instead of wasting your turn. Say the fighter goes first, then a goblin, then the wizard, then six more goblins. The fighter holds their turn, the one goblin does it's thing, the wizard puts half the goblins to sleep, and NOW the fighter acts either coup de Grace the sleeping goblins or killing the awake goblins to kill the sleeping goblins next turn.
BG3 also fricked up flying. You can't fly up at all. A mage in table top would cast fly just to go 20-feet straight up and rain spells down on enemies each round out of melee range. You can't do any of that in BG3 and just avoid floor damage.
There is a ton wrong with BG3 from a D&D point. Solasta actually nails these problems, but other than that Solasta is largely shit.
Oh, I do apologize.
How is that GURPS video game doing? Savage Worlds vidya recommendations? Genesys? 2d20?
Face it, homosexual, vidya mimics more mainstream game systems (or just use the setting). D&D is shit when played outside dudes clearing dungeons full of traps and monsters for loot while managing resources because adventuring is their job. If played like that D&D is STILL one of the best systems out there. Shadowrun and WoD dice pool systems are fricking dumb in execution despite having a much better setting. CoC is roll under d100 with five points increments making it a roll under d20 game in practice, but for some reason people think it is better just because it isn't d20.
Will there ever be an All Flesh Must Be Eaten vidya? No. Shadow of the Demon Lord, so I can cast a spell that makes someone shit so hard they launch their skeleton out their ass and it starts attacking their bros? No. My options for vidya representing table top systems is severely limited here, man.
Zoomers will argue "slang isn't a new thing" but their garbage slang has a short shelf life like a month or two. Like it's looked down upon to say bussin now even though it was normal months ago. Now we have to spam rizz and gooning for the next two months.
Let them cook doesn't really mean anything. You would think it means ''let them take their time and make sure it's properly made'' but that's not what it means. Cooking is now a slang for someone doing literally anything, usually referring to saying things. If someone is saying something they're cooking and you can say ''let him cook'' but it's not really directed at anyone, it's more like ''I want to hear him finish the sentence'' and not anyone actually interrupting the ''cooking''
If something is good then it's cooked and if it's not good then ''dey was cookin''
None of it really means anything, it's just a thing you say. It's pure filler.
The direct translation for OP's screenshot is something like ''I liked Helldivers 2 and Baldur's Gate 3,'' it's not actually a message to anyone or any kind of statement about how to make better games, the guy just likes these games
Gen Alpha will do moronic shit like treat AI like their friend. I think they will be worse than zoomers. You already see zoomers here showing pride that they talk to ChatGPT like it's a real person which is depressing
Blaming MS and Emil is an easy way out. Beth seems to have a real problem with simple productivity. What do their grunts even do all day? Make a model, then twiddle their thumbs for the next 7 hours and go home?
emil joined bethesda exactly in oblivion when the company started dying because emil and his "keep it simple stupid" motto started removing mechanics to make it more accessible so they ended up with starfield
I mean I have also played deep rock galactic and know they are both similar, but don't know if it's an improvement over that one
seems pretty popular at the moment though
You probably wont enjoy it as much.
There's not a ton of depth for tactical forethought and most of the encounters boil down to "shoot the bad guy" while blowing up certain things.
It's fun, but not as "cerebral" as JA2.
Snoys just scream and cry that they can do the battle pass in five hours without realizing they are the boiling frog and Sony's just going to increase the grind gradually so you have to pay out.
Were Arrowhead actually allowed to cook? Helldivers 2 launched with a bunch of issues with many of them still present today and they admitted that they're under a Sony mandate to push out a new Warbond every month which is cutting into their time to fix the issues.
But Helldivers 2 is still buggy including game crashing bugs plus most of the content is already in the game they're just artificially timegating it behind season passes.
>Baldur's Gate 3 had plenty of time to "cook" >ALL of the development effort concentrated in the first act, after which the quality of the game takes a sharp nosedive
Things that make you HMMMmmm.
>the message is not to deliver a good product for a reasonable price >the message is not to respect the customer's time and money >the message is not to design games in a way your team thinks will be fun rather than copying industry trends >the message is development hell = good
Helldivers 2 is still basically a early access game despite being worked on for 10 years. They have basic day 1 bugs still in there 3 months later and every patch adds major new bugs. They just released a new guy that is a team killing machine and they admitted we are basically beta testing it. They refuse to hire more staff and are on a skeleton crew. Helldivers 2 is not your typical GaaS trash but it's a malicious game for other reasons
On the one hand, Christmas rushes are a real thing which have gutted games which might have otherwise been pretty good. On the other, yeah, all the time in the world won't help if the people actually making the game can't get their act together. Just look at Anthem - their leadership was so ineffectual and undecisive, that they were still spitballing concepts three-and-a-half years into a five-year development contract.
>that they were still spitballing concepts three-and-a-half years into a five-year development contract.
I would love to know what management was doing in those years? Was it diversity hires who would come in and 90% of their day was breaks and maybe they had a 10 minute conversation about what the game should be? How could no one speak up and say "yea maybe we should get serious about this".
Apparently most of the project leadership was Edmonton types who'd gotten cozy resting on the company rep for "Bioware magic". They were so convinced things would just come together at the end, they felt no pressure whatsoever, and spent most of their time in meetings floating high concept ideas that wouldn't fricking fly in the game engine. Even when they finally came up with A vaguely usable concept (looter shooter), their insistence on keeping the staff's minds "free of preconceptions" by not studying similar games meant they fell into the same pitfalls as launch versions of games like Destiny. It wasn't until after the disastrous CEO visit and Mark Darrah getting put in charge that the team had anything approaching competent management.
Sony and Microsoft never gave a shit about videogames in the first place, which is part of the reason why we're in this mess. They're massive corporate conglomerates completely blind to what it takes to make games, they sell their main gaming products at a massive loss, that's how shit their videogame branches are.
>BG3 is the best game ever >oh yeah? >yeah the entire game is gay shit and modern politics >well that doesn't sound good >no you see it's good because I agree with it, even if the gameplay is shit >also you should go leave
Imagine siting literally 2 examples out of thousands and thinking it's valid.
No wonder gambling is on the rise modern people are fricking moronic, simple probability eludes them >hey bro let me try this 5% chance bro
>Jagged Allinace 3 European >Baldur's Gate 3 European >Disco Elysium European >Cyberpunk 2077 European >Noita European >Helldivers 2 European >Blasphemous European >ECHO European
Are Europeans simply better at cooking?
ELEX is also European, so are KingdomeCome:Deliverance, Mafia and Mafia 2, UnderRail, Unepic, Control, S.T.A.L.K.E.R and more. Most people don't realise they are playing a European game and just assume that since the game is in English it was made in the USA.
They got fricking lucky. That's it. What is it with devs thinking success equating to them being able to say whatever they want and thinking it's the absolute truth.
>let people who know what they're doing, do their job
Well, yeah.
Everyone knew that.
Publishers and larger companies just tend to be run by morons that think they know better than anyone and get deeply offended when you imply they might not.
t. working under 3 different managers in a role only one of them understands
Helldivers are made by Swedes. Usually they are cucks but these Swedes ban moronic redditors from the discord who demand a trans flag cape so they get my support
HellDivers is only successful because the Battlefield community needs something to play and Balding gay 3 is successful because any rpg that promise romance is going to get bought
>BG3 could have sold a million copies
Impossible. You don't get 800k people playing at the same time on Steam(there are also a lot of people like me who bought the game on GOG) if you sold only a million copies. I suggest you check the player peak for games that actually sold only a million copies.
Larian doesn't release sales figures that's correct. Why are you a shill?
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Anonymous
They actually release partial sales. They just don't do quarterly reports like publicly traded companies do. Larian are privately owned. Most people on Ganker are too dumb to understand this. All homosexuals and all morons should kill themselves.
>why don't companies just work on a game for a decade since they obviously get infinite money from a magical fairy that pays the salaries of the 50 person team for 10 years without any income
Friendly fire makes it kino and keeps the game involving.
Now we are at the stage of the game where people are paranoid that on extraction someone will teamkill and make everyone lose their materials so every exfil is a Mexican standoff where everyone points their guns at each other and slowly gets into the plane
Refunded it it was so shitty and plays like shit as well. Keep your Reddit game.
Friendly fire makes it kino and keeps the game involving.
Now we are at the stage of the game where people are paranoid that on extraction someone will teamkill and make everyone lose their materials so every exfil is a Mexican standoff where everyone points their guns at each other and slowly gets into the plane
lol
this is what "let them cook" results in
devs need someone to crack the whip
just don't be unreasonable about it
but don't let the computer touchers think they have to refactor something every six months like Project Zomboid's Lemmy, here >t. Director of Engineering who's seen what happens when you let the code monkeys run without proper oversight
Pretty sure actual gaming hobby enjoyed have always advocated allowing the developer as much time as they need.
Dumbfrick normies are, as usual, the problem.
Let them cook WHAT, though? BG3 was in early access for years and still launched with a thin as frick third act, HD2 was never even in early access and is just an EDF game with normie appeal.
You COULD apply this to, say, No Man's Sky or Cyberpunk 2077, but that'd still be bullshit because the former took years to look like the game it should've been, and the latter released a paid DLC that still didn't fix the game's worst issues, let alone made it closer to the blockbuster CDPR announced way back when.
Baldurs Gate didn't get popular for its gameplay though. Coomers and roomancers bought into that shit game >BG3 >No one talks about gameplay/lore >It's all about romancing and sex
Frick are you on about? People were discussing multiclass and item combinations and arguing about shit like Orpheus' place in canon. Some dumbasses thought he was meant to replace Zerthimon.
>Baldurs Gate didn't get popular for its gameplay though.
You must be joking. The gameplay and the shenanigans are one of the main reasons why the game got tracktion.
90% of the discussion was over the sex and how it was queer friendly or something
>nothing to back that up
Nothing to back that up? Ok. >play Baldur's Gate 3 for the first time. >cast command ot the enemy >he drops his weapon >i go in with my barbarian and pick up the weapon >the enemy now has to fight me barehanded >later se see two goblins >pick one goblin and swing him around as a bat killing the goblin next to him >fighting an enemy on a ledge >throw a barrel filled with water onto the enemy and enjoy the carnage >below the ledge there is now a water puddle with a few enemies soaked >chain lightning >profit
I am not even going to mention all the barrel, box and bag shenanigans. All the spell effects that affect vision of ling enemies around?
I also have to admit that i did not find out about the box shenanigans while playing the game on my own but saw a webm on Ganker. I am one of the people that were first to use sturdy box shenanigans so i can pretty much claim that as my own thing.
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Anonymous
Would be more correct to say container/bag shenanigans since i am talking about filling a container/bag and breaking it up to release what was inside.
>Ganker gets raided by /misc/ >why is all the discussion about gay sex
You moronic or something? Back before /vrpg/ got invaded by Ganker and /misc/ schizos we had BG3 threads that were purely gameplay, builds and lore. I know because i was there when the board was just a few months old. Then the board slowly turned to shit as it got more popular and got flooded by codex rejects, poltards and Ganker shitposters.
>Baldurs Gate didn't get popular for its gameplay though.
You must be joking. The gameplay and the shenanigans are one of the main reasons why the game got tracktion.
>Ganker tards only want to talk about the waifus >le marketing threads were about the romance REEEEEEEEEEEE
Kys homosexual, we used to have nice BG3 threads before you casuals found out about the game and started spamming your own threads and political shit.
>dragon commander threads on v >anon ignores them, jerk offs to waifu threads (they don't post skeletal waifus because they are plebs) >dos and dos2 threads on v >proceeds to click on waifu threads >bg3 early access >waifu threads >bg3 release, shadowheart and karlach appear on waifu threads >"FRICKING ASTROTURFERS"
stay in your containment thread schizo, i learned about larian from a dragon commander thread on v
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Anonymous
There weren't any dragon commander or DOS threads here, at all. DOS 2 got no threads after launch week, so who are you trying to fool
did helldivers need to cook? i can see the argument with BG3 i guess but there isnt much to helldivers. it doesnt have much depth and the content is repetitive. its a fun game but these are the facts. helldivers isnt some huge dynamic world that requires a ton of dev time. really no reason helldivers couldnt be produced relatively quickly by a studio.
it was made on the same engine they had already used, so they were familiar with it. my point is as far as content and scale helldivers is very, very small.
>HD2 >anything but a anticheat rootkit
Hard pass on that rebbit coop hugbox with the typical meta obsession which consistently crashes and has dogshit devs.
Well thats not true at all, look at Dragons Dogma 2; >"the game I released is the game I wanted to release"
Yea complete with shitty performance and no "new game" until people raised hell over it. Then theyre drop DLC next year, or maybe not at this point, the game was a fricking disaster and still sits at mixed ratings, who even knows if they want to put more money into it.
The real message is "make a game with good gameplay and writing that doesnt spit in the players face and people will buy it, even if it has bad performance and bugs, if the game is good people will play it in spite of those issues". Good media sells. Controversial.
The gameplay isn't good though. When dos2 released it was so bad it didn't even get threads here. All bg3 is is dos2 reskinned. No, no the minority of people here that think the game has good gameplay are a minority of morons
>the game was a fricking disaster and still sits at mixed ratings, who even knows if they want to put more money into it
The announced yesterday that it exceeded sales expectations and have increased the shareholder dividend as a result.
I honestly wonder if that is bullshit the same way Horizon was apparently a top seller and years later we find out that was a lie and that the game did poorly. 2.5 mil is great in the first week, the problem with that is that it completely fell off a cliff in sales after that, on all platforms, they mightve paid their investors more thinking the game was going to keep selling more when it just nose dived after 7 days and had no growth. Rise of the Ronin outsold it on PS5, Stellar Blade, a bargain bin game, has sold 1mil in ONE DAY.
And again, still sits at a mixed reaction on all platforms, this is also going to stop further sales if people havent already written it off.
The way these companies lie about sales is they claim preorders as day 1 sales. BG3 was in early access for 3 years, when their shareholders asked how well the game did they claimed 3 years of preorder sales as day 1 sales.
From preorders alone these companies can keep the lights on thanks to direct 60-70 dollar purchases. But in reality games aren't selling any more than they did a decade ago which is an abject failure of the industry. This is why they're shifting to subscription services to try and resell old content like the TV industry, because they're actually incapable of creating anything new that people actually enjoy more than games from 10+ years ago
If you think fricking steam reviews (most of which were negative due to idiots not understanding the microtransactions) matter more than raw numbers and shareholder distributions then you need a reality check. Very few people are going to pay out company money and lie to shareholders to massage some irrelevant online discourse.
Paying investors just means they are paying back what the investors put in anon, they have to do it regardless of success or failure. Just because they gave more than usual it does not actually mean its a roaring success, infact it can actually mean that they are scrambling to secure faith from their investors after said investors saw the game was getting completely eviscerated at launch with middling reviews and controversy around performance and micro, and so they paid out more to the investors so they dont get upset with them.
Do you think the investors saw the DD2 launch and said "this is fine" and not "my long term investment is fricked"
This. All alleged "success" of bg3 comes out of a chinese embassy via the Chinese Ministry of Finance. The same one responsible for reporting Evergrande's numbers.
Anon, Larian is privately-owned. That "stake" affords them nothing in the company's decision-making processes. They can't even sell without the owner's permission, they're just along for the ride.
>the success >overly shilled games
BG is complete trash that was shilled relentlessly by all influencers.
HD did the same, but at least the game is fun. HD is also a skinner box infinite game.
We should want neither of these games to be successful.
thanks for sharing this stunning revelation OP. I guess james gournalism is useful for something after all
Starfield cooked for 8 years
Starfield is USA made.
>Starfield is India made.
FTFY
>Americans trying to shift the blame
Bethesda is an American company.
Now show some examples of what happens if you let them cook but the game is not financially successful
The worst part?
The game's actually pretty good.
Warner Bros let Suicide Squad cook, didn't they?
It would be interesting to see metrics on diversity and ESG quotas across developers too. "Let them cook" seems too easy, as if they're providing a convenient explanation to an unconformable truth.
I don't think it matters much. Baldurs Gate is the wokest game outside of Gay porn games on Steam, and yet it's amazing. At the same time, plently of woke games crash and burn.
The amount of ESG quota shit doesn't matter on it's own. It's not that ESG criteria is the problem, it's stock driven businesses that always have to extract maximum profit in a developed industry, so expect every game to fit into this horrible mold that looks like the last mega success. Surface level ESG/broad appeal shit is just a part of that generic feeling, Baldur's Gate triples down on this stuff and feels refreshing, even if you don't like it. Because the gay and black people aren't the real issue, it's a scapegoat.
Is it woke, or does the game allow the player the option to make it woke?
It's pretty trash yes
There's a lot of "progressive" characters in the game. However, true to form, there's remarkably little preventing you from murdering them all in horrible ways if you so desire. So the game's as woke as your swordarm permits.
Actually if you try to do anything in the game besides lick troony buttholes you fail most content because there's actually no way to opt out of the gay content because the gay content IS the game
Yes there is, it's called murdering the characters you don't like. It's a Larian game. Or are you one of those psychopaths who acts like the game "forces" you to do things you don't want because you'll "miss out" on things otherwise?
If you murderer all the homosexuals and don't take part in the shitty plots which are mostly about homosexuals you miss out on all the content
>has less party members & content to enjoy because of ESG
it's full of woke dialogue and "glass her" tier dialogue options that lead to gay sex
Bro, a wizard offering to teach you magic is the fantasy equivalent of a guy in an unmarked van offering you candy. If you accepted, that's on you. Also, who the hell doesn't know what "glass him" means?
>Bro, a wizard offering to teach you magic is the fantasy equivalent of a guy in an unmarked van offering you candy
lol
lmao even
>Also, who the hell doesn't know what "glass him" means?
Non-Northeastern Americans. Specifically, non-New Englanders. As I'm sure you can tell from the name and the amount of bar fights that happen here, we know what it means to glass a man.
Your whole post is opinion. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's important to point out.
Other than the bit about public companies. That is objectively true, they have a fiduciary duty to make maximum profit, and that does lead to measurable patterns of behaviour.
most games aren't gonna get maximum profit by adding dei esg shit into the game. Look at the games that are successful with the dei shit. They aren't new games they are from widely successful established series that are popular despite the dei and esg bullshit thrown in. No one is playing spiderman 2 to watch some blind niglet spray paint a wall. Yet they put that specifically in to tick checkboxes. Baldur's Gate 3 is from one of the most popular PC franchises. It had a huge marketing budget so huge that they paid reviewers to come to an auditorium to watch a gay man and a bear have sex. Diablo 4 spent upwards of 500 million on marketing alone. These games are failing upward because they have big names attached to them or that they flood the market with info about the game.
Wasn't like half of Baldurs Gate uncooked until very recently?
they don't put effort into the last third of their games. never have, never will. the first area makes them all their money.
well put
Wtf? The 150 hours it took me to finish it was just half the game? That's amazing.
yes
>bigger = better
KEK
What are you talking about? If they weren't complaining about how big the game was in terms of completeness then what? Missing features? What missing features if so?
Early Access is stupid shit. It's practically QA but not paying them over and over for it. I couldn't imagine all the shit games I played in the 80s and 90s getting EA. Only good would be if like, MGS or Twisted Metal 2 or FF7 or shit got EA and playing it before everyone else and only me so I can fricking brag 8 months early and dump info in 1997.
This, can't believe so many fall for such a scam. Imagine beta testing not for free, but actually paying money for the "privilege"
Larian sugar coated the scam by saying they put spyware in the game to log what you were doing (and totally didn't sell your information to the chinese) in order to tailor the experience. Turns out that was a crock of shit, who knew
morons. If you were smart you'd be all in the Larian early access but you're dumb and instead would let the early access get flooded by reddit and casuals. Larian take their early access seriously and generally balance the game around it.
Larian makes shit games and the only people that play them are redditors
>brainlet intimidated by tactical combat
>unbalanced ARPG combat masquerading as a crpg
ftfy
>tactical combat
>quicksave any time and quickload until your rolls are good
cook what?
crystal meth
JESSE
WE NEED TO COOK
yo mister white
Wow jeez, based on this flawless logic I guess Duke Nukem Forever should have been a frickin masterpiece
Duke Nukem Forever actually is proof that a rushed game sucks. It was rushed out the door because Gearbox didn’t want to pay any more money to finish it after 3D Realms sent them the still in progress build.
>Duke Nukem Forever actually is proof that a rushed game sucks
Duke Nukem was worked on for over 14 years in no way was it rushed. Gearbox just made the decision to take what was done, patch a few holes here and there and release it.
It shouldn't be an example of anything though the guy that managed it was just a massive egotistical moron
The first 13 years were wasted and the 14th year was rushed. “Just patch the obvious holes and ship it” is rushing.
In no way was a 14 year old developed game rushed. It was just released half baked
What the frick does that even mean
Why can't zoomers and zoomer adjacents use real words or say anything worthwhile? They're like robots but moronic
It's one of they eighty gorillion worthless articles from journalists just parroting what zoomers/redditors say and stretching it out into an essay.
>use real words or say anything worthwhile?
Black people twitter heavily influences the zoomer lexicon.
Means let them take their time making a game.
As a big D&D fan, BG3 is pretty stripped down implementation of the rules though.
For example, you can't ready actions. In the table top, you got one move, one action, one bonus action, and one reaction. They did that fine in BG3, however, in the TT you can ready your actions as well. For example, you can have a fighter move to a choke point that enemies are going to be funneling down and ready your fighter to make their attacks when an enemy comes in range instead of just ending a turn doing nothing but moving.
In BG3 you can't 'hold your turn'. Holding a turn means you skip your turn until later in the initiative order, then act, instead of wasting your turn. Say the fighter goes first, then a goblin, then the wizard, then six more goblins. The fighter holds their turn, the one goblin does it's thing, the wizard puts half the goblins to sleep, and NOW the fighter acts either coup de Grace the sleeping goblins or killing the awake goblins to kill the sleeping goblins next turn.
BG3 also fricked up flying. You can't fly up at all. A mage in table top would cast fly just to go 20-feet straight up and rain spells down on enemies each round out of melee range. You can't do any of that in BG3 and just avoid floor damage.
There is a ton wrong with BG3 from a D&D point. Solasta actually nails these problems, but other than that Solasta is largely shit.
>As a big D&D fan
Stopped reading right there, not gonna listen to anyone with taste THIS shit.
Oh, I do apologize.
How is that GURPS video game doing? Savage Worlds vidya recommendations? Genesys? 2d20?
Face it, homosexual, vidya mimics more mainstream game systems (or just use the setting). D&D is shit when played outside dudes clearing dungeons full of traps and monsters for loot while managing resources because adventuring is their job. If played like that D&D is STILL one of the best systems out there. Shadowrun and WoD dice pool systems are fricking dumb in execution despite having a much better setting. CoC is roll under d100 with five points increments making it a roll under d20 game in practice, but for some reason people think it is better just because it isn't d20.
Will there ever be an All Flesh Must Be Eaten vidya? No. Shadow of the Demon Lord, so I can cast a spell that makes someone shit so hard they launch their skeleton out their ass and it starts attacking their bros? No. My options for vidya representing table top systems is severely limited here, man.
Rogue Trader uses the FFG 40k system. Also, isn't the Demon Lord guy writing a new system these days?
on the other hand it did a lot of things far better than tabletop
shoving, throwing, jumping, in general making martials actually fun
They managed to make Monk into one of the strongest classes in the game, which is pretty remarkable.
and not just strong but actually fun to play while strong
>Means let them take their time making a game.
But BG3 is still effectively in Early Access
Zoomers will argue "slang isn't a new thing" but their garbage slang has a short shelf life like a month or two. Like it's looked down upon to say bussin now even though it was normal months ago. Now we have to spam rizz and gooning for the next two months.
1. Twitter brainrotted them so anything with more than 100 characters literally sends them into a frenzy
2. They're brown
Developers are Le good and can ever do wrong publishers Le bad and evil capitalists
Let them cook doesn't really mean anything. You would think it means ''let them take their time and make sure it's properly made'' but that's not what it means. Cooking is now a slang for someone doing literally anything, usually referring to saying things. If someone is saying something they're cooking and you can say ''let him cook'' but it's not really directed at anyone, it's more like ''I want to hear him finish the sentence'' and not anyone actually interrupting the ''cooking''
If something is good then it's cooked and if it's not good then ''dey was cookin''
None of it really means anything, it's just a thing you say. It's pure filler.
The direct translation for OP's screenshot is something like ''I liked Helldivers 2 and Baldur's Gate 3,'' it's not actually a message to anyone or any kind of statement about how to make better games, the guy just likes these games
I agree, both these games are fairly unremarkable on paper, the fact they are so successful just shows how braindead the competition is for AAA slop
I fear on what gen alpha's lingos will be
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak
Gen Alpha will hit their late teens and then start rejecting online connectivity en masse.
Gen Alpha will do moronic shit like treat AI like their friend. I think they will be worse than zoomers. You already see zoomers here showing pride that they talk to ChatGPT like it's a real person which is depressing
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BG3 is for trannies and so is the "let them cook" zoomerism.
>Starfield
>they had 7 years and unlimited budget to cook
>it was still shit
weird that a shit developer would release yet another shit game
because microsoft and Emil
Blaming MS and Emil is an easy way out. Beth seems to have a real problem with simple productivity. What do their grunts even do all day? Make a model, then twiddle their thumbs for the next 7 hours and go home?
emil joined bethesda exactly in oblivion when the company started dying because emil and his "keep it simple stupid" motto started removing mechanics to make it more accessible so they ended up with starfield
>devs said that directives weren't giving any direction (stealing paychecks)
convince me to buy helldivers 2 if my favorite game at the moment is jagged alliance 2.
Does it have anything for a gamer such as myself?
Democracy.
I can't because JA2 is the greatest game ever made. Are you using the 1.13 mod?
Yes, also using the +ai mod, it's great!
How is JA2 the greatest game ever made?
For a moron who can't read or do a 5 seconds research on his own? Well it has a lot of explosions, your kind loves them.
I mean I have also played deep rock galactic and know they are both similar, but don't know if it's an improvement over that one
seems pretty popular at the moment though
You probably wont enjoy it as much.
There's not a ton of depth for tactical forethought and most of the encounters boil down to "shoot the bad guy" while blowing up certain things.
It's fun, but not as "cerebral" as JA2.
Bought JA2 when I was 9 years old but never played It past the character creation screen. Should I give It a Second Go?
Sure, it's pretty fun. Leadership is good for morale, wisdom is good for stat growths.
Get JA3, it is really good. Not the exact same as JA2 but a ton of fun.
It has a battlepass and mtx
That should tell you enough
Snoys just scream and cry that they can do the battle pass in five hours without realizing they are the boiling frog and Sony's just going to increase the grind gradually so you have to pay out.
Were Arrowhead actually allowed to cook? Helldivers 2 launched with a bunch of issues with many of them still present today and they admitted that they're under a Sony mandate to push out a new Warbond every month which is cutting into their time to fix the issues.
why didn't totk come out?
they ddidn't cook?
But Helldivers 2 is still buggy including game crashing bugs plus most of the content is already in the game they're just artificially timegating it behind season passes.
let them cook Ganker
they're cooking up something good
>3 years of early access
>1.0 release is still a mess
>still get patches to this day
Vidya is doomed
how did this board get psyopped into soifacing over clickbait articles
>Baldur's Gate 3 had plenty of time to "cook"
>ALL of the development effort concentrated in the first act, after which the quality of the game takes a sharp nosedive
Things that make you HMMMmmm.
Devs === chefs??
Anyone who uses slang I don't like should be executed.
Only slang I dislike though, I get to decide.
>the message is not to deliver a good product for a reasonable price
>the message is not to respect the customer's time and money
>the message is not to design games in a way your team thinks will be fun rather than copying industry trends
>the message is development hell = good
ugh now that a liberal has said to let the game devs have control of the development I want games to be micromanaged by upper management.
Which liberal? you cropped out everything but the headline flame war spamming Black person
>gaming "journalist"
>tries to emulate zoomer lingo with "let them cook"
It's a lib
You mean a socialist? I don't think liberals play videogames anymore
He's whatever this is
>polish untermensch
a socialist
What do they do then? Watch shitty Netflix shows?
reruns of the office
I hate zoomer speak like you wouldn't believe.
Helldivers 2 is still basically a early access game despite being worked on for 10 years. They have basic day 1 bugs still in there 3 months later and every patch adds major new bugs. They just released a new guy that is a team killing machine and they admitted we are basically beta testing it. They refuse to hire more staff and are on a skeleton crew. Helldivers 2 is not your typical GaaS trash but it's a malicious game for other reasons
No. Games shouldn't take 5 years to make, that's ridiculous.
The message I got was "market your games"
>and Baldur's gate
lol nice try homosexual
try to get tencent to buy you some more sales and awards
I hate that people automatically assume more dev time = better game and not incompetent developers and management.
On the one hand, Christmas rushes are a real thing which have gutted games which might have otherwise been pretty good. On the other, yeah, all the time in the world won't help if the people actually making the game can't get their act together. Just look at Anthem - their leadership was so ineffectual and undecisive, that they were still spitballing concepts three-and-a-half years into a five-year development contract.
>that they were still spitballing concepts three-and-a-half years into a five-year development contract.
I would love to know what management was doing in those years? Was it diversity hires who would come in and 90% of their day was breaks and maybe they had a 10 minute conversation about what the game should be? How could no one speak up and say "yea maybe we should get serious about this".
Apparently most of the project leadership was Edmonton types who'd gotten cozy resting on the company rep for "Bioware magic". They were so convinced things would just come together at the end, they felt no pressure whatsoever, and spent most of their time in meetings floating high concept ideas that wouldn't fricking fly in the game engine. Even when they finally came up with A vaguely usable concept (looter shooter), their insistence on keeping the staff's minds "free of preconceptions" by not studying similar games meant they fell into the same pitfalls as launch versions of games like Destiny. It wasn't until after the disastrous CEO visit and Mark Darrah getting put in charge that the team had anything approaching competent management.
It's a socialist talking point. They think the only problem with the industry is that devs are overworked, when the industry seppuku'd a decade ago
Sony and MS should go back to punishing companies that release patches. They get too comfortable with their 10 gb day 1 patches
Sony and Microsoft never gave a shit about videogames in the first place, which is part of the reason why we're in this mess. They're massive corporate conglomerates completely blind to what it takes to make games, they sell their main gaming products at a massive loss, that's how shit their videogame branches are.
>It's a socialist talking point
leave. Stop letting politics run your life.
>stop noticing that a talking point is held by people with specific politics
no, tourist
>BG3 is the best game ever
>oh yeah?
>yeah the entire game is gay shit and modern politics
>well that doesn't sound good
>no you see it's good because I agree with it, even if the gameplay is shit
>also you should go leave
Imagine siting literally 2 examples out of thousands and thinking it's valid.
No wonder gambling is on the rise modern people are fricking moronic, simple probability eludes them
>hey bro let me try this 5% chance bro
>Jagged Allinace 3 European
>Baldur's Gate 3 European
>Disco Elysium European
>Cyberpunk 2077 European
>Noita European
>Helldivers 2 European
>Blasphemous European
>ECHO European
Are Europeans simply better at cooking?
ELEX is also European, so are KingdomeCome:Deliverance, Mafia and Mafia 2, UnderRail, Unepic, Control, S.T.A.L.K.E.R and more. Most people don't realise they are playing a European game and just assume that since the game is in English it was made in the USA.
Let European devs cook. USA devs should just kys at this point.
Why do they all look so stunned?
Don't ask me. Ask the idiots at Bethesda.
White people are a very rare sight in america
BG3 was euro and they still put in black mary sues and a bunch of gay shit. It's called globohomosexual for a reason
>black mary sues
Where?
>inb4 Wyll
LOL? You must be joking.
European domination is our only hope. USA and Canada only make slop and try to push their crap onto the rest of the world.
NA gave us Pizza Tower which beats everything else
They got fricking lucky. That's it. What is it with devs thinking success equating to them being able to say whatever they want and thinking it's the absolute truth.
>let people who know what they're doing, do their job
Well, yeah.
Everyone knew that.
Publishers and larger companies just tend to be run by morons that think they know better than anyone and get deeply offended when you imply they might not.
t. working under 3 different managers in a role only one of them understands
Helldivers are made by Swedes. Usually they are cucks but these Swedes ban moronic redditors from the discord who demand a trans flag cape so they get my support
HellDivers is only successful because the Battlefield community needs something to play and Balding gay 3 is successful because any rpg that promise romance is going to get bought
Larian doesn't release sales. BG3 could have sold a million copies
>BG3 could have sold a million copies
Impossible. You don't get 800k people playing at the same time on Steam(there are also a lot of people like me who bought the game on GOG) if you sold only a million copies. I suggest you check the player peak for games that actually sold only a million copies.
>it's impossible for larian to only have sold a million copies
it really isn't
Actually, Larian's publishing director revealed back in February that it broke ten million.
Doubtful
>Larian doesn't release sales
>They did, actually
>Nuh uh
What, you want to count individual receipts now?
Larian doesn't release sales figures that's correct. Why are you a shill?
They actually release partial sales. They just don't do quarterly reports like publicly traded companies do. Larian are privately owned. Most people on Ganker are too dumb to understand this. All homosexuals and all morons should kill themselves.
>why don't companies just work on a game for a decade since they obviously get infinite money from a magical fairy that pays the salaries of the 50 person team for 10 years without any income
They could afford 10k people for 5+ years on Starfield.
Until they do something they don't like, then it's b***hing and crying time.
Helldivers 2 is shit though. It's just a worse L4D or Vermintide with friendly fire on.
Stop running into your teammates' firing lines, dingus.
Refunded it it was so shitty and plays like shit as well. Keep your Reddit game.
Friendly fire makes it kino and keeps the game involving.
Now we are at the stage of the game where people are paranoid that on extraction someone will teamkill and make everyone lose their materials so every exfil is a Mexican standoff where everyone points their guns at each other and slowly gets into the plane
Just play higher difficulties, anon. Griefers usually can't clear anything above a 6.
Higher difficulties still have morons who throw epic explosion strategems at the end that accidentally team kill. I shoot on site now when I see that
lol
this is what "let them cook" results in
devs need someone to crack the whip
just don't be unreasonable about it
but don't let the computer touchers think they have to refactor something every six months like Project Zomboid's Lemmy, here
>t. Director of Engineering who's seen what happens when you let the code monkeys run without proper oversight
rushing out games is... le bad!?!? wow what an absolute revelation, next article write some real fricking news
Black person vernacular has permeated internet discussion so thoroughly it may as well be ebonics at this point.
Pretty sure actual gaming hobby enjoyed have always advocated allowing the developer as much time as they need.
Dumbfrick normies are, as usual, the problem.
cringe
what does that zoomer slop even mean
"Don't interfere."
To hold one's judgment and actions in anticipation of an unexpected feat pulled off as a surprise and in an outstanding manner.
Let them cook WHAT, though? BG3 was in early access for years and still launched with a thin as frick third act, HD2 was never even in early access and is just an EDF game with normie appeal.
You COULD apply this to, say, No Man's Sky or Cyberpunk 2077, but that'd still be bullshit because the former took years to look like the game it should've been, and the latter released a paid DLC that still didn't fix the game's worst issues, let alone made it closer to the blockbuster CDPR announced way back when.
>he forgot that covid happened
Baldurs Gate didn't get popular for its gameplay though. Coomers and roomancers bought into that shit game
>BG3
>No one talks about gameplay/lore
>It's all about romancing and sex
Normoids only care about violence and sex. Remember Game of Thrones?
Frick are you on about? People were discussing multiclass and item combinations and arguing about shit like Orpheus' place in canon. Some dumbasses thought he was meant to replace Zerthimon.
90% of the discussion was over the sex and how it was queer friendly or something
It was mostly spam about how the game is good but with nothing to back that up, same as today
>nothing to back that up
Nothing to back that up? Ok.
>play Baldur's Gate 3 for the first time.
>cast command ot the enemy
>he drops his weapon
>i go in with my barbarian and pick up the weapon
>the enemy now has to fight me barehanded
>later se see two goblins
>pick one goblin and swing him around as a bat killing the goblin next to him
>fighting an enemy on a ledge
>throw a barrel filled with water onto the enemy and enjoy the carnage
>below the ledge there is now a water puddle with a few enemies soaked
>chain lightning
>profit
I am not even going to mention all the barrel, box and bag shenanigans. All the spell effects that affect vision of ling enemies around?
I also have to admit that i did not find out about the box shenanigans while playing the game on my own but saw a webm on Ganker. I am one of the people that were first to use sturdy box shenanigans so i can pretty much claim that as my own thing.
Would be more correct to say container/bag shenanigans since i am talking about filling a container/bag and breaking it up to release what was inside.
Command was in games like 20+ years ago
Larian regurgitates trash and you are a slop monster
Don't forget enlarging an owlbear, then having it jump on enemies to obliterate them with sheer impact.
Wow I'm easily impressed by janky gimmicks
Fog is also a lot of fun. Some people even make builds around darkness and darkvision.
Some people get PTSD when they see fire thanks to that fight.
>Ganker gets raided by /misc/
>why is all the discussion about gay sex
You moronic or something? Back before /vrpg/ got invaded by Ganker and /misc/ schizos we had BG3 threads that were purely gameplay, builds and lore. I know because i was there when the board was just a few months old. Then the board slowly turned to shit as it got more popular and got flooded by codex rejects, poltards and Ganker shitposters.
>It's a raid by /misc/!
You're a fat moron and should have a nice day
yeah it's a shame what happened to /vrpg/ and now /vst/ too
gb2 your somethingawful troon hugbox you subhuman homosexual
>comparing sex scene to gameplay
The absolute state.
yeah anybody deluding themselves into thinking this game is liked for its gameplay is a moron.
mainly women like it because the romance.
Nobody likes the gameplay lol
Frick you, I played a Barbarian and had fun.
>Baldurs Gate didn't get popular for its gameplay though.
You must be joking. The gameplay and the shenanigans are one of the main reasons why the game got tracktion.
Stop lying, the game got popular because of the sex and romance scenes, and le bear-sex-scene.
Idiot, the game sold a million copies just in early access and was extremely popular due to Larian and their previous two games DOS and DOS2.
Even the marketing threads weren't about the gameplay. It was all about romancing and fricking. Frick off you shill.
>Ganker tards only want to talk about the waifus
>le marketing threads were about the romance REEEEEEEEEEEE
Kys homosexual, we used to have nice BG3 threads before you casuals found out about the game and started spamming your own threads and political shit.
>dragon commander threads on v
>anon ignores them, jerk offs to waifu threads (they don't post skeletal waifus because they are plebs)
>dos and dos2 threads on v
>proceeds to click on waifu threads
>bg3 early access
>waifu threads
>bg3 release, shadowheart and karlach appear on waifu threads
>"FRICKING ASTROTURFERS"
stay in your containment thread schizo, i learned about larian from a dragon commander thread on v
There weren't any dragon commander or DOS threads here, at all. DOS 2 got no threads after launch week, so who are you trying to fool
I'm having flashbacks.
>wild success
Journos really are dumb enough to be fooled by chinese bots, huh?
>food analogy
Why do all amerimutts speak like that?
did helldivers need to cook? i can see the argument with BG3 i guess but there isnt much to helldivers. it doesnt have much depth and the content is repetitive. its a fun game but these are the facts. helldivers isnt some huge dynamic world that requires a ton of dev time. really no reason helldivers couldnt be produced relatively quickly by a studio.
Helldivers was made on some garbage old engine thats why it took so long plus their staff is tiny
I mean, their biggest success prior to it was Magicka. Fun game, but not exactly a world-beater, in technical terms or popularity.
it was made on the same engine they had already used, so they were familiar with it. my point is as far as content and scale helldivers is very, very small.
>HD2
>anything but a anticheat rootkit
Hard pass on that rebbit coop hugbox with the typical meta obsession which consistently crashes and has dogshit devs.
but isn't Ganker pro crunch and overworking devs only to then act surprised when a rushed project with bad time management is shit?
Ganker loves licking boots
Hang all journalists.
You all let Kojima "cook" and he came up with a literal walking simulator
Test
Well thats not true at all, look at Dragons Dogma 2;
>"the game I released is the game I wanted to release"
Yea complete with shitty performance and no "new game" until people raised hell over it. Then theyre drop DLC next year, or maybe not at this point, the game was a fricking disaster and still sits at mixed ratings, who even knows if they want to put more money into it.
The real message is "make a game with good gameplay and writing that doesnt spit in the players face and people will buy it, even if it has bad performance and bugs, if the game is good people will play it in spite of those issues". Good media sells. Controversial.
The gameplay isn't good though. When dos2 released it was so bad it didn't even get threads here. All bg3 is is dos2 reskinned. No, no the minority of people here that think the game has good gameplay are a minority of morons
>the game was a fricking disaster and still sits at mixed ratings, who even knows if they want to put more money into it
The announced yesterday that it exceeded sales expectations and have increased the shareholder dividend as a result.
I honestly wonder if that is bullshit the same way Horizon was apparently a top seller and years later we find out that was a lie and that the game did poorly. 2.5 mil is great in the first week, the problem with that is that it completely fell off a cliff in sales after that, on all platforms, they mightve paid their investors more thinking the game was going to keep selling more when it just nose dived after 7 days and had no growth. Rise of the Ronin outsold it on PS5, Stellar Blade, a bargain bin game, has sold 1mil in ONE DAY.
And again, still sits at a mixed reaction on all platforms, this is also going to stop further sales if people havent already written it off.
The way these companies lie about sales is they claim preorders as day 1 sales. BG3 was in early access for 3 years, when their shareholders asked how well the game did they claimed 3 years of preorder sales as day 1 sales.
From preorders alone these companies can keep the lights on thanks to direct 60-70 dollar purchases. But in reality games aren't selling any more than they did a decade ago which is an abject failure of the industry. This is why they're shifting to subscription services to try and resell old content like the TV industry, because they're actually incapable of creating anything new that people actually enjoy more than games from 10+ years ago
If you think fricking steam reviews (most of which were negative due to idiots not understanding the microtransactions) matter more than raw numbers and shareholder distributions then you need a reality check. Very few people are going to pay out company money and lie to shareholders to massage some irrelevant online discourse.
Paying investors just means they are paying back what the investors put in anon, they have to do it regardless of success or failure. Just because they gave more than usual it does not actually mean its a roaring success, infact it can actually mean that they are scrambling to secure faith from their investors after said investors saw the game was getting completely eviscerated at launch with middling reviews and controversy around performance and micro, and so they paid out more to the investors so they dont get upset with them.
Do you think the investors saw the DD2 launch and said "this is fine" and not "my long term investment is fricked"
Cook with West Taiwan? Enjoy your debt defaults
I can see Tencent shills have been busy. They will now be punished for it.
This. All alleged "success" of bg3 comes out of a chinese embassy via the Chinese Ministry of Finance. The same one responsible for reporting Evergrande's numbers.
>Black person speak
ong? no cap?
>BG3
>'success'
>Further series entries are cancelled by Larian
This is all because WoTC is shitty to deal with.
Don't forget Tencent has a stake in the company as well.
It's not a controlling packet. They have no votes, they just get profits from Larian doing good.
Anon, Larian is privately-owned. That "stake" affords them nothing in the company's decision-making processes. They can't even sell without the owner's permission, they're just along for the ride.
>every one of larian's failures and inadequacies is somebody else's fault
hmm
Can't blame them. Seems like hardly a year goes by without Wizards managing to wiener something else up.
wotc is cancer
Yes? They discussed the prospect of future work with WotC, decided against it, and are now making their own thing again.
just needed to sizzle a lil bit more
>another game marketing blogger DEMANDS gamers stop having an opinion about video games
The fall of is crazy
>the success
>overly shilled games
BG is complete trash that was shilled relentlessly by all influencers.
HD did the same, but at least the game is fun. HD is also a skinner box infinite game.
We should want neither of these games to be successful.