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What is this gay ass list? Yoshi's island is more of a yoshi game than a mario game, and you cant just remove all 4 new super mario bros. games just because you don't like them.
Oh, and also, where the shit are Mario Land 1 and 2?
Mario bros.
Super Mario
New Super Mario
Mario Land
Super Mario bros.
are all different series
Forgot to add Super Mario World. Also OP is still incorrect, Wonder is SMB4
Mario World is Super Mario Bros. 4
No, there's one Super Mario series that features all games.
Here's an autistic analysis of how many and which games are in the Super Mario series. Enjoy.
cool video
It's really a mario game.
Then Wario Land is a Mario game.
It is
No, it's more like in the old cartoons and movies, "Mickey Presents" then it's a random character episode or some shit like that, it's for familiarity, hence the title drop on later games.
>hence the title drop on later games.
And Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island literally still has "Super MARIO World" in its title. Intact. Your point being?
What do you mean
That pic makes me fricking mad, but i'm glad its just poor attempt for trolling.
well trolled 7/10
Per Nintendo, this was mainline Super Mario as of 2020, which otherwise is only missing Bowser's Fury and Mario Wonder which came out in '21 and '23.
So the 2D games
>SMB1
>SMB2/Lost Levels
>SMB2/SMBUSA
>SMB3
>SML
>SMW
>SML2
>NSMB
>NSMB Wii
>NSMB 2
>NSMBU
>Mario Maker
>Mario Run
>NSMBU Deluxe is treated as its own game for some reason
>Mario Maker 2
>Wonder
Of course you could be a little more autistic and include pre-Super entries like DK '81 or Mario Bros, or stuff like DK '94 and Mario vs Donkey Kong.
>mario maker
>mainline
amusin implications
Ah yes, the best series in vidya.
>mario run
>mainline
No. Hell no.
>new super mario bros.
>new super mario bros. wii
>new super mario bros. 2
>new super mario bros. U
>new super luigi bros. (?)
>new super mario bros. deluxe
to this day I have never touched any of these games because I have no clue which ones are different, ports or whatever
I remember it coming on the DS and I just assumed it was a remake of the first NES game and completely disregarded it
maybe I should pick them up at some point
Luigi U is just a cheap rom hack of SMB U. Reuses the same everything, just the levels are modified to be very slightly more challenging and you get less time to finish them (Which should've been the default anyway).
It reuses the engine but many levels actually have a sizeable amount of new assets including a ton of new types of interactable objects, it's essentially a very ambitious Kaizo.
I wish morons would stop comparing official Mario releases to kaizo. I guarantee you've never played a kaizo in your life to say that.
Go fricking figure. I played them back to back and could barely tell the difference. To me, Newer SMB Wii (unofficial hack) felt more different from NSMB Wii than SLU did from SMBU, and if Nintendo did worse than fricking random fans, then it's lazy trash by definition, not ambitious.
All of them are different games.
1 harkens back to the very first Super Mario the most, outside of a handful of gimmick levels there's only mushroom and fire flower powerups and the game is very small and linear and can be easily finished in a single play session.
2 is the direct sequel for 3DS, it has elements of Super Mario 2 and 3, most levels have a decent degree of verticality and the Tanooki powerup is back, plus it is the only game so far to keep count of ALL of your coins.
Wii is mostly focused on multiplayer, as a result the levels suffer, they tried to give them a lot of space to accomodate for the extra players so you have a lot of empty space and a visible lack of enemies and obstacles.
U is Wii done right, enemy and obstacle density are more in-line with regular Mario, which also makes the multiplayer more chaotic and thus more fun.
Luigi U is a DLC for U, essentially a kaizo version of U.
Deluxe is the Switch port of U and comes with Luigi U bundled.
would you say deluxe is the best one? I'm guessing they all have the same physics and mechanics more or less, think I'll stick to the one that has the better levels and such
They're the exact same game. One of them has a bloated file size due to all the tutorial videos being on there instead of online, but I'm not sure which is which.
>to this day I have never touched any of these games because I have no clue which ones are different, ports or whatever
The only NSMB game worth playing is Deluxe, which is actually just a better version of U. It's a solid game, nothing amazing, but decent. Wii is just a worse version of that and the handheld ones aren't good.
All NSMB games are good, just don't play them one after the other
NSMB is Mario 5
smb3
smw
smb2
smw2yi
smb
never played last
Mario 2 is the patrician choice for white men
That was the first video game i played where the screen scrolled on when you walked my mind was blown i just had to buy a nes and i did
Mario 3 tops Mario World and it's not even a contest unless you grew up as an autistic dinosaur lover.
Whats wrong with liking dinosaurs?
Wonder is gay. I hate it.
It's just toddler trash.
roll
Wonder is fricking trash, no different at all from the NSMB games.
Completely misses the point of what made 2D Mario good.
Yeah, it's different. It's even worse with much less challenge and the gay shit for babies like the stupid talking flowers and singing pirannha plants. Did I mention the elephant power up is fricking shit and looks stupid. Also, peach should've never been playable. This was the first 2D Mario to have a playable peach (Doki Doki Panic Reskinned is not an actual 2D mario). Frick feminism.
World is better than 3.
/thread
Cringe.
wheres mario 7?
super mario bros
mario the lost levels
super mario bros 3
super mario world
super mario world 2 yoshi's island
super mario 64
world is kinda dogshit d e s u
3 is fun but too gimicky
1 is just alright
i didnt play the rest
how the frick did mario wonder win any awards or even get nominated in the first place
it's literally just fricking mario the same exact game nintendo has been recycling for the past 20 years
I'm not hating on people who liked it or had casual fun with it but how the frick do you justify it getting nominated for a fricking GOTY?
because it marked the end of the "new" era for 2d mario and the return to the classic era last seen in fricking yoshi's island in 1995
2023 was a shit year overall but they had to throw a bone to the tendies
the only good game was ac6 and it wasnt even nominated
SMB3 is a perfect game
Yoshi's Island, NSMB and Wonder too aren't Super Mario Bros. games, they're all lame collectathons.
You lost grandpa
>Yoshi's Island, NSMB and Wonder too aren't Super Mario Bros. games,
Neither is SMW
SMB4 is written on the box and cartridge in Japan you moronic Black person.
Yoshi's Island barely qualifies as a mainline Mario game, it was only called Mario World 2 for marketing purposes, if you're gonna count it why not count Yoshi Woolly World or the NSMB games?
It says Super Mario on the box even in Japan. It's part of the Super Mario series.
Does Wario Master of Disguise count?
Miyamoto says it's a Mario game.
Fug. I have all of these game CIB besides Yoshi’s Island.
Super Mario 2 USA will forever be absolute garbage.
I prefer castlevania.
What is the best SML2 Zone and why is it Mario Zone?
Or perhaps Macro Zone?
Or Spoopy Zone?
I guess they're all pretty cool.
It's crazy how SML2 had more innovation and soul than anything that came out in the following 20+ years in the franchise thanks to that hack Miyamoto not being anywhere near it.
If you're going purely off of muh unique settings, SML1 has it beaten in spades.
Nah.
Yes.
>China, never replicated
>Easter Island, never replicated
>shooting stages, never replicated
SML2
>space? replicated in Odyssey
>Halloween? replicated in Mario Party
>factory? replicated Wonder
>Mario Party
will Mario 10 be MAR 10?
Question - Is Wonder as easy as some of the more recent mario games? (i.e. non-toddler tier levels are all locked behind post-game) I have been hungering from more Mario of the old school type (not especially difficult, but not easy either), but Wonder does not look like fulfills that niche.
It legitimately has two of the hardest levels in 2D Mario, period, but much of the game is just shiny key jangling.
Yeah, sounds like Odyssey. You have some token hard levels, but the rest is toddler tier gameplay and indulgent presentation. Thank you for the honest response.
I will say that I dropped Odyssey before I even got to the token hard level, and I actually enjoyed my way there with Wonder. It definitely respects your time more.
Absolutely not. People saying it was easy must've only played the first 3 levels because there's tons of levels that you need to sit up and focus for. Lots of badges add challenge as well.
>Lots of badges add challenge as well.
You mean the meme badges that only exist for YouTube challenges? Because the other 80% of them completely break the game.
At what point do these levels show up in the game?
One of them is available in the second world, the other is the actual final secret level.
it's a tough question to answer, you essentially have infinite lives so there's no real punishment to failing since checkpoint are pretty generous, you just try again until you beat the level
also the whole theme of the game are it's numerous gimmicks, some are tough, some are just for fun and novelty
I'd say the harder levels in wonder are harder to execute than some of the older hard levels but again, dying and trying again is really snappy and quick, I think that's a good thing
The main game is braindead easy, then you have the special world where the levels are slightly challenging and the final level you unlock after achieving 100% completion is legitimately hard
Play a plumber for all seasons. It will scratch your itch nicely.
SM3 to World to Yoshi's Island was back to back kino.
If you're going to make a 2d collectathon you should do it in Kirby
Mario's better suited to a game about resource management where you're genuinely scared of being left without a powerup or running out of lives, and where the thought of skipping a level might sometimes cross your mind
How does someone design a character as good as mario. I'm making an indie game and I want my character to be as cool as Mario himself. Why is it so fricking hard, how did miyamoto do it, such a strange bunch of well designed characters.
People like white skin, blue eyes, and brown hair.
>Jesus
>Hitler
>Mario
>Sora
It's that simple.
rip off popeye
>hurr durr Nintendo once expressed desire to make a Popeye game, therefore Mario is Popeye!
Yes
>bringing in Wario before Mario was even invented
israelite logic.
to be fair Miyamoto constantly mentions Popeye in interviews too
You're going to have to provide proof, but I know you won't. The only 'discussion' was whether to make Donkey Kong a Popeye game, because they weren't confident in their IP. By that token, the israelites are pure evil and they rape kids.
He usually mentions Popeye when talking about storytelling in Mario, and how he reiterates how Mario's storytelling is similar
https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2015/09/10/miyamoto-tezuka-interview.aspx
>"If you're familiar with things like Popeye and some of the old comic characters, you would oftentimes see this cast of characters that takes on different roles depending on the comic or cartoon," Miyamoto said. "They might be businessman in one [cartoon] or a pirate in another. Depending on the story that was being told, they would change roles. So, to a certain degree, I look at our characters in a similar way and feel that they can take on different roles in different games."
https://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/3ds/zelda-ocarina-of-time/4/2/
>But the moment I say Yoshi lays eggs so Yoshi must be a girl, they'll say, "Then Yoshi's voice needs to sound more like a girl's!" But I want to make video games without having to worry about such background info. Take the animated series Popeye, for example. In old cartoons like those, the roles of the characters were different every time.
I agree that people overstate the popeye connection, but he has referenced it outside of the initial Donkey Kong Arcade pitch
He's talking about how cartoon characters fill a variety of roles. Mickey Mouse does the same thing. It's literally boilerplate Japanese bullshit.
Obviously. The point is that he has referenced Popeye before outside of the basic trivia of Donkey Kong's origins and it's his go to reference since it's the most relevant to Mario. It's not a mere coincidence he is specifically referencing Popeye here
I don't disagree that people overstate Mario's connection to Popeye, and people just saying Mario is a popyeye ripoff are clearly shitposting for (you)'s, Mario has completely deviated from that completely, but there is a faint connection that is understood to the point where it's the first example Miyamoto thinks of in interviews.
Who cares?
The guy that asked for proof of Miyamoto referencing Popeye clearly did, otherwise he wouldn't have asked
6 > 5 > 4 > 1 > 2 > 3
I wish SMB3 had less chase levels
big fish, lil fish, the sun they are all chasing me
there are just a few too many of these levels
also, I get super pissed off that mushrooms/1ups go left or right at random like in SMB1. just go right, let me power up man. stop fricking with me
also I hate that you have to go track down the ship if you lose on castle boss level.
9/10 i still love it but it certainly pisses me off sometimes
>also, I get super pissed off that mushrooms/1ups go left or right at random like in SMB1. just go right, let me power up man. stop fricking with me
It's not random. It depends on what side you hit the question block from the bottom. It will go the opposite way.
damn I just tested it out, you're right
Is SMB1 also like that?
>Is SMB1 also like that?
I never played that one, so I am not sure. Glad I could help you with SMB 3 though.
Every Mario game operates like this.
yoshi's island is significantly better than mario world and im tired of pretending its not
It was impressive for the time but I don't think any of the games really hold up that well today, including the new ones. The best is probably Yoshi's Island just because of the unique aesthetic. But they're all pretty simple, too easy. The Donkey Kong Country series absolutely mogs it and it isn't even close.
Nah, DKC games have a constant quality throughout, but the highs are lower and the lows go deeper, feels more safe.
DKC is the best platformer series. There is nothing better. You can't name anything better.
It's the most consistently good, can't argue with that.
And it has the highest peaks. It's simply the best.
>and the lows go deeper
Where? DKC at it's worse isn't bad at all.
It sounds like to me that you are getting upset because your initial assertions were wrong and now don't really have anything else to say as a result.
I was definitely right in you getting upset, that's for sure
I don't really get what you mean by "asterisks", I interjected to say that pretty clearly that "to be fair Miyamoto constantly mentions Popeye in interviews too", you said I wouldn't provide source, I did, and now you're flailing around arguing things we weren't arguing about initially.
What is bullshit about "here's two links that show that Miyamoto did, in fact, reference Popeye" and that those explanations were unrelated to Donkey Kong Arcade trivia, proving I was right that miyamoto still mentions Popeye even outside of the whole "yeah Mario's first game was supposed to be a popeye game?"
Super Mario World=My first ever game on the SNES that I really enjoyed the hell out of in the 90s.
Yoshi's Island=Great soundtrack; I still hum some of the songs to this day. A little too cutesy in the art design but it stood out for the time.
The GBA re-releases in the 2000s were cool too, like Mario Bros 2 and all that so they can milk the franchise on handheld. But the problem is that the GBA has terrible audio output compared to a real legit TV speaker.
As far as the later games, the Mario platformers are no longer in my radar as an adult gamer. Once you grow up, grow some balls, and actually develop this thing called 'taste', you leave behind the confines of Nintendo's Disney approach and move into the real world of gaming (Bioshock, Starcraft, Spec Ops, Saints Row, Dead Rising, God of War, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, DmC, MGS, Life Is Strange, Mass Effect, Fable, Kingdom of Amalur, Dead Space, Tekken, Half Life, Rainbow Six, Killzone, etc). There are FAR better games than some outdated fetish-quest about a fat Italian plumber Princess-grooming & bound-posting in every repetitive installment.
Wonder had the smallest honeymoon period out of any game of 2023 huh? No wonder with how frontloaded the game is. The magic dies the moment you finish world 1.
The reasoning to why Miyamoto or anyone from Nintendo is talking about Popeye there has always been irrelevant.
I said Miyamoto references popeye in interviews and you said I needed to provide proof and that the only discussion of any such reference anyway was when making Donkey Kong, but those examples I posted had nothing to do with Donkey Kong. You were wrong twice.
As a kid, my mom took me to a haircut place that had an snes in the waiting area. It had Super Mario World on it and I loved it. I proceeded to ask my mom to get me the gameboy advance version of it for Christmas or my birthday. "The one where mario wears a cape" I said. My mom then at a later date bought SMB 3 and Yoshi's Island for the gba. My mom told me the guy at the store said those games were better and that she was certain I said "the one with the racoon tail". I was miffed, but I loved each of those games. In college I finally had the opportunity to buy SMW and I hated it. I realized the store guy was right that SMB 3 and YI was better. This was sort of a surreal experience, but I thought it was interesting.
Lost levels made me realize that wonder is pretty boring
>pretending that Wonder is not a NSMB game, even though the logo is in the same fricking style
You need to really pay attention to the discussion:
>shitposter says Mario is a popeye ripoff, obviously bait referencing Mario's origins as Donkey Kong was going to be a licensed popeye game
>you retorted back that just because they almost made a popeye game doesn't mean Mario is popeye
>I largely agree, but I interjected saying that to be fair, Miyamoto does reference Popeye in interviews, showing that there is still a faint connection (even if shitposters overstate it)
>you not only said I wouldn't provide source (false) but then made the false assertion that the only time such a reference was made anyway was in regards to Donkey Kong's origins
>the sources I provided have no relation to Donkey kong's sources, they are talking about Mario's storytelling and how it's obvious why Miyamoto would reference Popeye first (even though it isn't the only old cartoon to have storytelling like that)
>immense seething commences from (you)
This isn't complicated anon. You're too prideful
Anyone else here old enough to remember playing Super Mario Bros 3 and Super Mario World when they were new?
That sense of magic, man, I feel it so deep in my soul. I wonder (pun intended) if kids nowadays feel that same magic with the new games. To me that sounds impossible due to the sterile aesthetics, but I can at least see kids finding them fun and playing them over and over.
The other difference, though, is that those games were PEAK in their time, and while the NSMB stuff is extremely popular, it is definitely seen as "lesser" to the general public compared to high-fidelity 3D and open world games with all the bells and baubles.
It's kind of the same thinking back to games like LttP, which were AAA at the time but to people who did not experience those times it's basically an indie game.
/blog
I watched and played SMB3 and SMW so much as a lad that I can't recapture that same feeling of magic anymore when I play as an adult.
I'm sure the kids find Galaxy magical. I'm not the biggest fan but I get it, it has such fantastic presentation. And while NSMBWii visually looks so bland, it does have the multiplayer aspect, so i imagine that alone gives them immense nostalgia
Everything after SMW it went downhill.
Replace USA Mario 2 with the real Mario 2 aka Lost Levels.
Yoshi's Island is the best 2d platformer ever made.
I know this was a bait thread but why is it thread so schizo?
>title change doesn't stop super mario world from being on the list
>nsmb not on the list
???
anon, this thread is bait to spark arguments and discussion
>Easy games are... LE BAD!
Seeing a lot of this ITT. What exactly causes this mindset? Especially in a thread about a franchise that has always been piss easy no less.
Sup AI-sama. Care to explain what that has to do with my post?
>No Mario is Missing
sad
Yoshi's Island is argued so much despite the vastly different gameplay and controlling Yoshi because it's one of the few spin-offs actually made by THE Mario team at the time, not some other division within Nintendo, or some third party company