>flopped
>wave of hate from genwunners that persists to this day
No wonder why stopped trying and caring.
>lets put all our effort into making the pinnacle pokemon experience
>flopped
>wave of hate from genwunners that persists to this day
No wonder why stopped trying and caring.
How do I plant berries in the pinnacle pokemon experience?
>“Communication between PC will be changed”
Dream World. Gen 5 was so ambitious, everything after feels sterile.
>it was so ambitious that they couldn’t bother to put a basic feature into the actual game
>basic feature
Only exists in 4 of 9 gens
And “the pinnacle pokemon experience” isn’t one of those gens. Curious.
Yea, because berry farming is a dumb tedious mechanic to keep autistic people busy
>plant
As in placing berries? Well, normally you'd place them on your Pokemon as a held-item.
You never used berries in Gen 6. Stop pretending to care about shit you never did. Nobody complains about Gen 5's lack of Battle Frontier because they gave us replacements that worked out. Gen 6 literally just has the Battle Tower.
>replacements that worked out
lmao
lol you’re moronic
BF >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PWT
No one actually likes the Battle Frontier.
They like the idea of it, and then go as far as getting Silver medals in a few dungeons and never touch it again because the tedium is mindnumbing.
The gold medals are supposed to be a challenge. Why do zoomers expect everything to be handed to them and then get upset when it’s not?
>They like the idea of it
Where have I heard this before?
No, moron, the BF has fun modes that anybody who actually enjoys playing Pokemon can sink hours into dicking around with. Stop projecting your own illnesses onto others and using it to justify Game Freak’s laziness.
Challenge in the way of doing the exact same thing in a row several dozen times, is not fun.
Dark Souls wouldn't be a better game if all the bosses had three times the amount of health because that'd mean you could 'dick around' with them for three times as long.
There is no fun to be found in doing the same thing over and over again an arbitrarily long amount of time.
Even the Pokemon manga made fun of how tedious and overly long the Battle Frontier was.
This is a bizarre post. Most of DS challenge comes from doing the same thing over and over.
Yeah, and there is a limit.
Sometimes FROM fricked up too, and gave a boss way too much health. Lawrence and Gale, stand out as examples. Where they become tedious after a while because the fights drag on too long.
That is exactly the same problem for the Battle Frontier.
If you want challenges, more fights like Volo or Ultra Necrozma or even some RNG exploration dungeons would be preferable to the Battle Frontier.
From usually have the other problem, with making boss health pools too low.
There is a reason mindsets such as "you didn't ACTUALLY beat the game if you used X" is so common in that community. And it's because a lot of bosses don't have health pools large enough to force the player to learn the fight before it's already over.
>even some RNG exploration dungeons would be preferable to the Battle Frontier.
Isn't that kind of what the BF is? Yes the trainers are picked from a pool instead of being properly generated from scratch, but it seems pretty similar in concept to me.
To stick with the From comparisons, something like Bloodborne's chalice dungeons would be closer to what I was conceptualizing.
It isn't a great system, but it is better than the BF.
Something like the Battle Pyramid?
Laurence is perfect
If you find actually playing the game not fun then maybe you should find a different game series to play. You know, it’s starting to click for me why your kind loves Alola so much. In those games you’re just jumping from one cutscene to the next with very little gameplay.
I hate cutscenes and I find battles tedious.
To me the most attractive part of Pokemon has always been the monster catching and the exploration. Everything else is secondary or tertiary.
Thats because players are spergs and find any way to pick at each other's play styles.
Most bosses are well balanced and have plenty of HP. There will always be a contingent that thinks if a boss doesn't take 150 butt stabs that it was too twinky.
You must love PLA. That game has no content outside of catching the same mons 1000 times.
>Most bosses are well balanced and have plenty of HP. There will always be a contingent that thinks if a boss doesn't take 150 butt stabs that it was too twinky.
Personally I feel like a bunch of bosses could use some more HP, but I have played the games since DS so I do have a decent amount of experience and it's impossible to balance a game for everybody.
The bosses that feel the best for me are the ones that actually force me to learn their full moveset. There are quite a few bosses where I feel that a boss has moves that I've yet to master yet I win because I can brute force through it.
To bring this back to Pokémon. I think the charm with streaks is that they force you to have a team that can handle a variety of opponents. Fights like Volo's are great but you might also just happen to have a team that completely demolishes his simply due to chance.
Battle Institute, Battle Subway, PWT, Black Tower & White Treehollow.
They did work out just fine.
The only thing the BF has that's any different and worth it is Battle Factory
But they did?
Gen 5 has
>Battle Subway (tower clone)
>Battle Institute
>Black Tower/White Treehollow
>Pokemon World Tournament
Meanwhile Gen 6 just has the Maison (another tower clone) and the Battle Institute. Hardly a replacement for the Frontier which easily could've made ORAS worth it.
None of those are remotely the same quality as the BF. I’d rather take Gen 6’s Maison over any over the watered down casualized facilities Gen 5 had.
Be specific about what you don’t like about Gen 5’s facilities. I think they’re varied and enjoyable enough to be a serviceable BF substitute.
>Be specific about what you don’t like about Gen 5’s facilities
Battle Subway is literally just the Maison with half the amount of content and the White Treehollow/PWT aren’t streak based so they have zero challenge to the point where they can be beaten with half assed campaign built teams.
>Gen 6’s Maison over any over the watered down casualized facilities Gen 5 had.
Ironic
Nobody at GF cares about gen 5 selling worse than DP. It was bound to happen. Unova dex had the most reps in sword. My only gripes with my favorite gen is that musicals sucked as a regional non battling gimmick.
At least the maison actually uses gen 5 new battle formats
you literally buy 600 berries from your 10 florists in join avenue
>shuts down DS servers
nice
The question that broke unovagays
The only thing that was missing for me this gen was a Unova Champion Ribbon. That's it. The gen was overall perfect for me
This
Where is my champion unova ribbon
I feel like it's because beating Alder in B/W wasn't really part of the game, it was an optional post-game challenge with Ghetsis being the actual final boss.
Still, gimme dat ribbon.
Then they should have tried much much harder, since all we got was Muttslop
not an argument
>flopped
By being one the top 10 best selling DS games, only behind DP?
BW are the worst selling main gen games and BW2 are the worst selling pokemon games. In the end they learned more effort does not equate to more sales, and those of us who want good games lost while genwunners got the pandering they desired.
Oh no, BW ONLY sold 15 million, what a flop.
How will they ever recover
>BW ONLY sold 15 million, what a flop.
yes
Most games wish they could flop half as hard as you pretend Gen 5 did
Pokemon being the biggest media franchise and still grossing more than your entire family’s combined net worth doesn’t mean it didn’t flop for Pokemon standards/expectations. This isn’t hard to grasp, you’re just being dense on purpose.
>doesn’t mean it didn’t flop for Pokemon standards/expectations. This isn’t hard to grasp, you’re just being dense on purpose.
15 million is massive for sales.
Don't care what franchise it is.
Platinum really underperformed considering it was on the DS. Crystal and Emerald sold less, but they were also on consoles with a far smaller userbase
Crystal dead on arrival thanks to being released at the death of gbc. 3 months after it came out nintendo dropped the game boy advance
>BW2 are the worst selling games
>The best selling enhanced edition when they came out
>2 games sold more than 1 by a minuscule amount
Is /vp/ the dumbest board?
Nobody separates the pairs, so this is no different.
This is really sad
Pokémon will never be good again
Nothing says Peak Pokemon like "the same shit as before but now the sprites tween all the time, the story is melodramatically stupid and an infrared card gimmick is ignored by everyone"
Stop replying to bait.
>zoomers will never experience this
Absolute fricking moron
How old are you?
20, which would be about the average age for zoomers.
Gen 5-7 are absolutely "zoomercore", and labeling them otherwise either means you have no idea how many years ago the Gen Z year range began, or it's intended to be satire.
>expects me to care about the opinions of a zoomer
You grew up with Gen 7, don’t kid yourself. You were in diapers while we were enjoying Gen V here.
>here
If you were actually abiding the rules of this site when BW were released, then sure you technically wouldn't be a zoomer.
Zoomers like you will never experience the joys of Gen V. All you know is jerking off to cutscene compilations of Lillie on YouTube.
NDS is a zoomer system. millennials were playing PS2 and Xbox. I distinctly remember being in high school around '05-'06 and how the sweatiest fattest nerds wearing literal fedoras were playing NDS and how dweeby and childish it looked to everyone. they were probably having a really good time playing really good pokemon games, but they weren't the primary target demographic. well adjusted teenage boys were asking their parents for stuff that could play halo and GTA, not stuff that could play animal crossing wild world or nintendogs
You’re a zoomer and moronic
you were the fat kids with the fedoras playing NDS in the lunchroom while everyone normal stayed away from you.
I wasn't in HS anymore when NDS was out, genius
then you either know exactly what I'm talking about or were painfully lacking in self-awareness as to how unusual it was for a teenager to be playing handheld games during the mid-late '00s. peak halo CoD era here. well adjusted socially normal millennials stopped playing after gen 2 or 3. this trend did not go unnoticed and is literally why nintendo said frick it and went full blown wii on us.
How old are you?
32 unfortunately. I am fricking balding
If you're so extremely self conscious and insecure of what someone might think at HS/College about you playing DS, you're not socially adjusted.
You're a wannabe normalgay who will do anything to fit in with cliques
you're projecting an adult mindset onto teenagers. teenagers are notorious for giving a shit about what their peers think about them. that shouldn't be a controversial statement.
even putting that aside, consoles like PS2 and xbox were offering teenagers what they wanted moreso than NDS was. which was shooting each other, sports games with friends, racing games with friends, and cutting edge capabilities. that has nothing to do with social neuroticism.
Well adjusted, socially normal people can play whatever they want and no one will care. You're just a loser.
Zoomer alola piss head
alola is the only pokemon game I've never been able to finish after getting back into them as an adult. at least pick a better boogeyman game for me.
It’s funny how the Alola child zoomer manbaby cries as she strikes you
I turned it off after I was over an hour into it and still watching cutscenes
I know right? Shit games
alola games are for people who like their fun to be constantly obstructed and interrupted at every turn
kinda like Persona 5 then
and yes, that game is overrated as frick
cope and/or seethe
>NDS is a zoomer system.
No it wasn't lmao.
That shit came out when I was 17-18
3DS is zoomers
>That shit came out when I was 17-18
that means you’re a millennial, fricktard
I'm a zoomer, the DS Lite came out when I was four. It was literally my first system, and it was absolutely a zoomer system. In fairness the 3DS was as well because Alpha hadn't even been coined yet.
Alola child zoomer piece of shit
>Reservation of Black/Pearl
Is this even a real translation
It’s fake don’t worry
lol there isn't a single mainline pokemon game that ever "flopped", what a weird fantasy
>shit region map
>shit Pokémon design
>looks like shit
NOOOO GEN 5 IS THE BEST POKÉMON GEN
>>let’s put all our effort into making the pinnacle pokemon experience
yes, HGSS was great
You mean the games that flopped more than BW?
i love these games but they needlessly snatched away too much features from hgss for me to call this the pinnacle of pokemon. Following pokemon should have been a staple from hgss on, period. PWT is fun but would have been better as part of the frontier, not an alternative. Seasons are cool but hgss had so much that made you feel connected to the world and made it feel very lived in. B2W2 are amazing games but HGSS was the pinnacle and everyone says it because its true
>all their effort
Into what? Gen V was the most stagnant and least innovate in bringing the series forward at the time of its release.
What’s your basis for this statement?
I am saying that gen V at its time did less to bring the series forward at its time than any previous generation.
What did gen V even add or change mechanically. Battle wise the only change is that there is yet another ability slot, which doesn’t even change the actual battles, just increases the options pre-battle. Overworld is both mechanically and graphically almost identical to the previous generation.
The only area I can think of where BW tried to bring the series forward was the graphical element of the battles, with moving sprites and dynamic camera. It looks like shit but there was at least something fresh and new there.
Okay but what are you basing this on? It just sounds like an empty buzzword thing veiled as an evidence based argument meant to justify your hatred towards decent games. Maybe if you objectively looked at every game then compiled a list you would have a point but I doubt you even thought your shitpost through this far to actually back up your claims.
Anon, you’re the one shitposting here. The previous generation’s contributions to the battle mechanics are well known.
Back up your claims instead of espousing hollow shitposting statements. Are you too dumb to get yourself out of this hole you dug? Do you have poop for brains? What is your favorite generation?
Anon how about you play the games? Gen I, II and III all have drastically different battle mechanics. IV’s are fewer but the physical/spec split still shook up the battles way more than anything gen V introduced or changed. That I actually need to explain this to you is mind boggling.
Alright I accept your concession. Keep replying without answering to prove you’re my b***h.
Anon. I literally gave you an example with how gen IV did more for the battle mechanics than V.
He is just baiting anon
Yeah I probably should have stopped replying earlier. I do like discussing the evolution of mechanics so I hoped he would at least attempt to bring up some points but I was mistaken.
You’re my b***h and do as told. Can’t even answer a question you’re dumb did you hit your head as a child?
You won anon it was humiliating seeing him unable to defend his baseless statement
BW is bogged down by its heavy-handed, nonsensical story and dumb decisions like only new Pokemon until the postgame. I appreciate what they were going for but it's really not a surprise that it didn't go over well at the time of release. The release of BW2 has mostly vindicated BW since those games fix a lot of BW's blunders, but I think BW's performance at release was completely on point. It should have performed way better and didn't because it was a flawed product.
that horrible pokedex didnt help and most of them were kanto and johto rip offs
oh no unovabros! we have to kneel to diamond and pearl the ULTIMATE pokemon games!
the fact you fall for masudas lies because it's a game you like is hilarious
>being this jaded
You could also just play the game and see all the effort they put into making a truly spectacular experience.
Masterpiece.
>peak soul
>unused
Unovagays lmao
Alolasissy you need to move on already.
>if you dislike something you must like this other thing
Easiest way to spot a legitimate moron.
It’s called pattern recognition.
ESL jajaja
Does it?
>no u
Jajajajaja
Alola has the same problems as Unova but worse
why would they like Alola
It's really interesting to see how the rhetoric has changed over the years. During Gen IV and V Masuda made claims like "this will be the best Pokémon game to date" while in his later interviews, his responses are more in line with "please keep your expectations reasonable".
Cosmos thread.
>linear hallway simulator
>peak
muttnova was a mistake
There is a very notable downturn in quality and originality after B/W released, it's sad but they really were the high-point of the franchise.
Everything that's come since feels like a project worked on by a bunch of briefcase-bearing walruses sat around a desk trying to figure out how to bring the 90's back.
>originality
In what sense? BW wasn't exactly breaking much new ground.
My thoughts exactly. There’s no passion left in this series, Gen V was the last hurrah.
>shartnova golems can't do a battle facility unless it has shitty monotype teams and shameless nostalgia pandering
gen 5 was a mistake
You clog the catalog with these threads every day. It’s the same people posting in it. It’s the same shit. Why are you like this?
It’s funnier the 75th time
>filename
this is many zoomers first pokemon game thoughbeit
That would be Sun & Moon
Just look at all the zoomers who defend Alola scat abortion
Frick off Cosmos.
Some zoomers yes
First game for zoomers can be any games from gen 4 to 8 roughly
>not mentioning 3
Most people didn't play these games on release two decades ago.
Y’all have no idea what age group a zoomer is, huh
Early zoomers would have typically started with gens 3-4. Using ‘zoomer’ as an insult to mean ‘underage’ doesn’t make sense either, these people are literally approaching their mid 20s
BW wouldn't "flop" if it was made for 3ds
The fact that a game that sold close to 16 million is considered even close to a flop goes to show how hilariously out of touch this board is.
Most game developers would kill to have even half of those numbers.
Not to mention, it's par for the course for Pokemon standards, it's close in range with RS, XY, and SM.
Even DP is barely ahead.
The worst era of /vp/ was the hg/ss were the best games. I was there, frontline.
Let's talk about BW2:
>no Original Dragon
>no battle against Hilbert/Hilda (there's unused PWT data for them)
>no Challenger's Cave for some reason
>no Route 10 for some reason
>no Badge Polishing (BW1 had that)
BW2 gets a lot of praise, but these things are usually never addressed.
Why did you copypaste the OP from
instead of just bumping that thread?
Because nobody seems to answer in that thread