> lets slap op stats on misdreavus and call it a new pokemon
paradox mons were a terrible mistake
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> lets slap op stats on misdreavus and call it a new pokemon
> lets slap op stats on misdreavus and call it a new pokemon
paradox mons were a terrible mistake
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Misdreavous is cuter and thats all that matters. Also she’s a decent calm mind user in pu, if you play showdown.
Paradox Pokemon were the only worthwhile thing to come out of SV.
Honestly? Yeah.
Going into real world evolution was something I always wanted from pokemon because it was always implied but never shown. I don't so much like that they pretty much just overshadow the originals but it's the price to pay.
How is it real world evolution if they're imagined?
You people are like the vegans of pokemon.
>You people are like the [thing I'm autisticly angry over] of pokemon.
Yes.
>Going into real world evolution was something I always wanted from pokemon because it was always implied but never shown.
We've had regionals for almost a decade now, plus the paradox mons are fake unless you really think pokemon evolve into toy robots
Also the Charcadet line, Orthworm, Toedscruel, Dudunsparce, Espathra, Naclstack, Greavard, Tinkatink and Rabsca
>liking Dudunsparce
>not liking Tatsugiri
No. Paradox mons are a prime example of how lazy GamFreak is. All they did was draw older pokemon with spikes and/or hair on them or draw them as robots and call it a day. SV is full of bad designs or bad quality in general but Paradox mons are easily one of the worst things that came out of that game
That's the BDSP model of Misdreavus. Please change this immediately.
I didn't know because I haven't touched my (now gone) copy of ScatVomit since January nor my copy of BDSPiss since earlier January.
But I thought you guys wanted buffs for shitmons.
We want buffs, not replacements
I agree, we need to bring back Megas.
You can literally see the mega form replace the base one on screen. They're the epitome of replacement.
>Megas
The pokemon is the form that you give the mega stone to before and after the battle. Designs still stay relatively the same with a little bit of extra visual shit to designate that it is indeed in it's mega form.
>Cross-gens
Dusknoir barely looks like it's previous evolution at all. If you liked the pokemon design as-is, then tough shit, because unless you want to cope with Eviolite, there's objectively no reason not to use the newest evolution.
Tell me again which one is the replacement.
but only the mons that need it
Mega Evolutions are the reason why Paradox mons exist to begin with. People who praised Mega Evolutions gave LameFreak the idea that people want the old mons rehashed over and over again and so we got Paradox mons, Regional Variants, etc.
Mega evolutions absolutely were a mistake
Mega evolution was created because people hated that all of the gen 4 cross gen evos ruined their favorites permanently with random spikes, lines and hair all sorts of nonsense that didn't make sense like Honchkrow being a mafia boss while Murkrow is a witch.
Thats why they made mega evolution with more cohesive designs.
That's not the reason, Megas were created becuase Game Freak wanted a way to make CHARIZARD and their other favorite children even stronger than they already were but weren't allowed to increase their stats for some reason. That's why all the Pokemon that game freak values got megas while all the ones that they consider expendable got replaced by regionals/paradoxes.
Yeah, gamefreak really values...*checks notes* Mawile, Manetric, Houndoom, Ampharos and fricking Audino, moron.
>Mawile, Manetric,
Hoenn Privilege
>Houndoom, Ampharos
the closest thing Gen 2 has to shillmons,
> fricking Audino, .
Gen 5 is Masudas Magnum Opus, at least one Gen 5 had to get something, but everything else in Gen 5 is too minmaxed or optimixed alrady so it went to Audino.
It really reads like you're just making up reasons to defend your point instead of just admitting you're wrong. The fact is Megas were made to help out shitmons like Khangaskan, Beedrill and Sableye, and GF, in typical GF fashion, also gave them to shillmons + gave them to important story characters which is why stuff like Mega Camerupt exists.
A common talking point against Megas is that they weren't given to enough shitmons but...I think that's more because they just fricking stopped making Megas and instead went to single gen throwaway gimmicks. If we had continiously gotten megas through the years I think the distribution would've been much better skewed in the favor of shitmon over shillmon simply because there are far less shillmons than there are shitmons.
NTA and while I think he's wrong about why paradoxes exist, he's not wrong about the Gen 4 evolutions being shit. They either gave monster Pokemon jobs or threw away the previous theming of the design in the 3rd stage. Sandy Shocks is a far better take on a hypothetical Magneton evolution than dropping the 3 magnets theme and turning it into a UFO out of nowhere, same with turning Misdrevus into a witch, but taking the actual witch Pokemon Murkow and turning it into a mobster for some reason.
>Magneton evolution than dropping the 3 magnets theme and turning it into a UFO out of nowhere, same with turning Misdrevus into a witch, but taking the actual witch Pokemon Murkow and turning it into a mobster for some reason
i fail to see how any of these are bad. there was actual thought and creativity put into these designs unlike the paradox mons which slap spikes and skin teeth or turn them into robots and call them a day. Walking Wake and Iron Bundle are exceptions
What’s wrong with Iron Valiant?
it genuinely reminds me of american gender politics, especially when you take into account how much of that shit infiltrates modern vidya in general. i can't look at a picture of iron valiant without thinking about that shit. there is no way a design like this would be made 10 years ago or so. it's like somebody made a robot gardevoir first and a higher up forced them to make it more woke
>normal person
"wow cool robot"
>/vp/ user
"troony troony troony"
holy frick you really just can't make this up.
you think politics magically haven't effected GameFreak in some way shape or form in spite of the fact that the rest of the industry has?
People like seeing trans characters in games because it represents our society better than generic safe binary conforming design #3274123. Giving them one little character isnt ruining the game, get fricking over it.
>Giving them one little character isnt ruining the game
you give them an inch and they'll take a mile
this shit will get way worse over time if you allow this to happen now
>i fail to see how any of these are bad
Yeah because you're a sinnohfetus. They really shat on a lot of Pokemon in gen 4. I'd kill for a regional Lickitung evolution so we can all collectively disown shit like this,
How about you actually explain why those evolutions having those themes is bad instead resorting to ad hominem?
>Lickilicky
Lickitung was already a fat babyish looking pokemon. Lickilicky is a fitting evolution for it
If you don't see why taking well designed monsters and putting them in mock clothes doesn't appeal to people then you're simply too far gone to bother arguing with (on account of being a sinnohfetus). For every bad thing you can say about a future Paradox Pokemon, they at least don't turn them into a fricking construction worker.
that doesn't look like it's wearing clothes. they just look like ordinary rocks
You need meds but you
are an expert baiter.
>bulbapedo fanfiction
lmao
Not that anon, but even if you ignore the jobmon clothing, it is still an obese piece of shit. Just like lickilicky, magmortar, dusknoir or tangrowth. Gen 4 had a couple of bangers like Gliscor. But I'd say that many if not most cross gen evolutions were kinda disappointing
>monster gaining bulk bad
Why?
They're not only fat and ugly, but weak and hard to get as well
This. They took risks with classic Pokemon for nothing.
Nobody uses fricking Magmortar.
That kind of make since, but its still awfully convenient that they just decided to stop handing out megas when they ran out of shillmons to given them to.
>when they ran out of shillmons to given them to.
Oh they didn't. In fact gen 7 gave them decent amount to use, hell none of the eeveelutions ever received a mega.
>random spikes, lines and hair all sorts of nonsense that didn't make sense
you just described mega evolution
>Honchkrow being a mafia boss while Murkrow is a witch
how is this a bad thing? at least Honchkrow has a cohesive design instead of just slapping random shapes all over the old mon. Mafia boss theme is at least fitting for the Dark type. it's not nearly as random as say, Sharpedo gainging yellow spikes
>mega evolution
>more cohesive designs
kek
>at least Honchkrow has a cohesive design instead of just slapping random shapes all over the old mon
They didn't even give it the right kind of hat and the puffed chest is more like an opera singer than a mob boss.
>Mafia boss theme is at least fitting for the Dark type.
The problem is that it doesn't fit Murkrow. A witch doesn't translate into mafia boss.
>it's not nearly as random as say, Sharpedo gainging yellow spikes
Not that it gains yellow spikes, you're thinking of the white nose spikes resembling a sawtooth shark which is considerably less random. The yellow markings on the other hand are scars something sharks tend to have a lot of.
add moves to it's movepool
add more stats
change abilities if need be
you can do all these things without moronic gimmicks
>objectmon
Mismagius isn't an objectmon you moron.
it literally looks like a fricking woman
that's a jobmon
i never cared too much for mismagius so flutter mane which is quite literally what a mega misdrevus would look like is a huuuuuuuge win for me
I like how it shits on the ridiculous gen iv evolution, sandy shocks too. They know
They definitely do.
I hope all the Pokemon who got raped by gen 4 get something new eventually.
no the Paradox mons are the ones that did the raping
wtf do you hate about mismagius???
it's a collar
Artist did a very poor job at conveying that.
Also what happened to Misdreavus' hair?
It would have been so easy to draw it under the hat.
Long haired to bald is negative evolution, it's the type of evolution middle aged men go through.
In my headcanon he swallowed the evolution stone and it got stuck, but yeah I also dislike this aspect of this design
>gaining bulk
Well it is not that simple, one of the issues is, that the silhouettes of the pokemons I mentioned are kinda samey, a thing which ought to be avoided at all costs, especially if all those pokemon are all clumped at the end of the dex.
Furthermore there is bulk like blastoise, Nidoking or aggron, and then there is rhyperior which looks like he should be physically unable to walk. And while the arms are kinda big, the lack of shoulders and the blob-like body makes it seem .... malformed or weak I guess? I can not imagine how this pokemon is supposed to walk. At least not from the sprites/idle animations.
But this issue gets worse since so fricking many final evolutions of gen 4 follow the blob for body, 2 arms ending in strange or oversized hands and an oval head formula. Legs are either weird stumps or missing completely.
Media depicts Rhyperior moving just fine.
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Holy shit I hate Magmortar even more after watching this
I just learned Smogon is calling this thing uber. Is it really that strong? Misdreavus and Mismagius are pretty weak, so I’m surprised if their counterpart is so ludicrously strong somehow.
Its stats and ability have nothing in common with Misdreavus and Mismagius. It's more like a dual type Spectrier.
oh yeah, big time. it's also a big VGC mon.
>its stats have nothing in common with misdreavus and mismagius
???
Flutter and the others don't have a single stat in common. Entirely different speed tiers and KO ranges too.
oops i guess i replied to bait.
>facts are bait
They're not the same stats just because there are three short lines and three longer lines.
>Mismagius is just a simple 60 stat increase to BST
>Flutter Mane is completely minmaxxed, takes away 15 points from the stats Misdreavus never used and dumped them into the stats it does, in additions to a very large stat boost, a very powerful ability, and the much appreciated Fairy typing
We can shitpost about designs all day, but I don't like how Gen 9 designs pokemon from a gameplay perspective, this is romhack Ledian tier.
Ghost/Fairy type and new ability
Statwise, it is Mismagius with +30 SpA, +30 SpD and +30 speed, but -5 Hp, atk and Def.
You're a faker, the real mistakegay will never say that. He will say this:
>LET'S SLAP SOME FEATHERS ON MISDREAVUS AND CALL IT A NEW POKEMON!
Of all mons, why fricking Misdreavous?
This isn't a Garbodor situation where they just had a cool enough idea to select them--P-Mis doesn't do anything particularly interesting design-wise
At least Jigglypuff is popular
>Of all mons, why fricking Misdreavous?
Because like many other classic Pokemon it was unjustly defiled with a gen 4 evolution. This is also why they made a prehistoric Magneton, it's like an apology.
no gen 4 evolutions are overall good. Magnzeone and Mismagius are good meanwhile Sandy Shocks and Feather Mane and shit. They are definitely not apologies
Nah, if there's a reason GF chose to base several paradoxes off of not-fully-evolved mons, it's to add to the uncanniness of paradoxes. They superficially resemble some species of known Pokemon, but don't behave like them at all to the point that they have no known methods of evolving further (in the case of Scream Tail, Flutter Mane, Sandy Shocks) or have any known pre-evos when the mons they resemble do.
Aside from Jigglypuff, who is one of the top 3 most popular Pokemon they just happened to select two Pokemon that weren't extremely recognizable, but that specifically got gen 4 evolutions.
I'd agree with you if they all looked uncanny and weird like Sandy Shocks, but Flutter Mane just looks like a Misdreavus with wings and scales. Uncanniness is obviously not what they were going for, a new Misdreavus form that is faithful to the original is.
They made them to show that they adapted into evolutions at a later stage which is why the NFEs are all ancient paradoxes
>pokemon should only get anything if theyre shillmons
God i bet youre one of those people who keeps asking for new eevee forms
OP is right. Paradox mons were a mistake
its really funny to me that mismagius is still shit
Why do people care about this game competitively? This shit is a slot machine game that rewards luck over any actual skill, why pretend you need to be "good" at it?
because despite comp being a farce that only exists to shill CHARIZARD forms, its still the only aspect of this shit franchise that resembles a playable game
counterargument: ghost hairjob
Does anyone here forgot that Gardevoir can be males too?